Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - James Morosini on Catfishing, Losing His Virginity, and Period Sex

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

Actor and filmmaker James Morosini is this week’s guest. James, Olivia and Rachel talk about ASMR, James’ new film I Love My Dad and catfishing. The three also compare their weirdest dates, discuss who should pay on a dinner date, and James reveals how he lost his first job and virginity in one fell swoop. Broad Ideas is supported by Daily Harvest. Go to dailyharvest.com/ideas to get up to $40 off your first box.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi Rob. Hello. Welcome to Brad Ideas. We're back. 2023. 2020. So today's guest, so initially we interviewed

Claudia Saluski, right? And Rob was like, there's this movie. You guys need to see it. It's actually really cute and we're going to interview the girl in it. He did not say it was cute. You did.

You said it was so cute. I don't think he's ever said that. In his life? In his life. Okay. Well, he said, I think you guys will like this movie. You should watch it. No.

He said, I think you guys should actually watch this movie. That's right. Because sometimes I don't watch things. But Rob was like, I really think you like this movie. So I watched this movie and I'm like, oh my God, Claudia. She's so cute in it and awesome. But I'm watching it. And I'm like, who made this movie?

Because I thought the directing was really good. And I was really impressed with it. I loved the movie. So when I Googled it and, found out like the guy in it, the main guy, also wrote it and directed it. James Morristini, and I was so impressed by this movie. And so then I was like, okay, I'm impressed with this person. I just feel like I am. So I was like, Rob, write him on Instagram. And Rob said, absolutely not you DM him, which I don't like doing. And I did. And he was so nice and responsive.

He was happy to come on and talk to us. So. The rest is history. The rest is history. People might know James from the sex lives of college girls, the main Kaling show. Yes. Let's talk to James. Sometimes when the wind inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings.

We'll talk about boys better me. Because people die. Okay. This is good. We can do some ASMR. Okay. Just listen to the sound in my voice. Have you done ASMR?

Did I say that right? Have I done it? Do you use it as a form of therapy? No. No, I think I... No, I don't think I could, like, really get into it. ASMR is like a feeling you get. Right.

Which I've gotten. From what? Well, like, you get it for many, a lot of things. like someone speaking very kind of deliberately to you and kind of a, and kind of, I used to get it in like school a lot when someone would be like helping me with a problem that I couldn't figure out. It's when you feel like.

Like a teacher? Or like another student. Okay. Just someone talking? Just someone kind of talking and helping. It's a, you guys have never gotten ASMR before? It's like kind of a tingley kind of.

I get it when I hear. I mean, I check out a lot when people talk to me, but I don't know. It's like when you, It's like this enjoyable kind of checked out. Like euphoric, like, you're just kind of like, oh. I get it from my children crunching. Yeah, there you go. So you've got it.

I do. I'm like. So can it be anything then? Is that what you're saying? It's just any. It's noises, though, right? It's noises or like certain dynamics, I think. Like when you feel like taken care of, I think you're like, oh.

And you kind of like let go. Are you feeling me right now? I'm getting a little, I'm very a little tingly. But I don't know. I don't think I've ever been aware of this. I don't know. Or thought about it at least in my life. I mean...

I'm not a thinker, though, so there's that. Yeah, I mean, a part of me wants to, like, try to explain the sensation, but it's maybe hard. Yeah. If you don't know, then you don't know, I guess. It's like a really comforting feeling sensation you get, right? Auto system. Yeah. I mean, I would be, like, all over the place if I tried to guess this.

Auto system Yearly Yearly Yeah so it's like stimulated I don't know There's now Yeah people do like whispering Auditory sound

Oh yeah Auditori Oh look who's here with the brain That's very good Mandible Thanks Rob Check out the big brain on Brad Okay

Do you have it? ASMR stands for Autonomic Oh She's not She's not the reader of the group sensory meridian response, a term used to describe. I added a why.

You were close. That's really close. A tingling, static-like or goose bump sensation in a response to specific triggering audio or visual stimuli. That's the crunching for me. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Hmm.

You don't have one? I know I do. I'm going to think about it. I'm going to come back to it. Listen to watch a video. I'm going to. I know I have something, some sound that I'm like, oh, that's a good sound. They mostly sound like erotic.

Yeah, they're very erotic. Because I was like a crackling fire. No, it's usually like a woman making noises into a mic. Yeah. Okay, no, I have noticed. You know what? It's big in cell culture. We experience that on the daily here.

Here. Everyone listening is feeling it now. You guys might just be giving ASMR to want each other. And not know. Yeah. You're just in a constant state of ASMR. You know what? I think we figured it out now.

You don't know what it is. I'm so happy you're here. You don't know what it is because you're always experiencing it. Yeah. This is a trip. We are always tingling. Oh my God. Okay.

Well, James, I was tingling while I watched your movie. Personally, all over. That's why I do it. That's why you did the whole thing. But so impressed with this film, We keep talking about it. Rob actually was the one that was like, you guys really should watch this movie.

Absolutely loved it. I was just so impressed with it and I looked it up and like, who the hell directed this? Because it was so impressive and you did it all. I did. And I mean, just so awesome.

Thank you so much. We have to first say all that. And I know she feels the same even though she's silent, but... I do. I do. She was tingling. We were texting each other

while watching it. And she'd be like, well, where are you? And I'm like, Don't tell me. We were like co-watching it and like... Co-watching it. And at the end, she was like, I need to know who did this film.

And she doesn't get like that. I mean, the truth is you don't. I tune out a lot, like pretty easily. Yeah. In general. But yeah, it was just so impressive. So we first want to hear all about your experience and the movie and how it came about. Yeah.

So the movie's based on something that happened to me a long time ago. which was that my dad and I got into a big fight. I thought he was very dishonest, so I decided to block him on social media in kind of this adolescent fit of, like, extreme, like, we're done forever. I was going through some tough stuff, wouldn't talk with him about any of it.

He was very worried about me. And I got home one day, and this really pretty girl had sent me a front request online. she had all the same interests as me and had all these amazing pictures and I was very excited and then I discovered that it was my dad and my dad had created...

Pretty immediately you discovered or... Took longer than I would have liked, but he had created the account as a way of checking in on me and making sure I was okay. So I kind of took that circumstance and kind of explored how much further it could have gone

in the context of this film. and kind of used it as a way of exploring the dynamics of my relationship with my dad in full. And just like, because he and I have always had a lot of tension. I've always loved him a lot, but it's just been super complicated. I use that setup as a way of like really diving in to the feelings around what happened, just with my relationship with him. And used it as a context to explore somebody doing the wrong thing but for the right reasons. and kind of wanted to ask the audience the question,

how far would you go to make sure your son or daughter or whomever was okay? Yeah. Yeah, you really push the envelope in this. Yeah, you do. What did it do for your relationship with your dad? You know, I think he and I always just enjoyed, like, comedy together. And I grew up watching a lot of movies with him.

He's the first person that ever got me a video camera. he would help me make movies when I was a kid. And so I kind of got into filmmaking and my love for movies really came from my relationship with him. So in a way, it was weirdly full circle. Yeah. He didn't read the script.

The first time he saw the movie was at South by Southwest. Oh, dang. In an audience of like 600 people. Oh, wow. Which was like a very harrowing experience. Because if he hated the movie, it would be so hard to bring it into the world.

Oh, right. You know, it would make it a lot more complicated. But he leaned over halfway through and was like, I really like this movie. And I have, there's this home video footage that's in the end of the film that he took himself. And during that moment, he was crying. And then I was crying. And then it was very cathartic, the whole experience of bringing it into the world. And then he came up afterwards for a Q&A, which was one of the weirdest experiences.

I've ever had. Yeah, I'm sure some of the questions must have been. Yeah, it was weird. I felt very protective of him when he was up there because it's like, it's a fictional movie. I mean, it's based on something

and it is emotionally all true, but it's ultimately a movie. Like, I tried to make it as entertaining as I possibly could. Right. And so it's easy to conflate him and the character. And so I felt, I don't know,

it's a delicate thing to navigate. Yeah. You know, and I don't know how open you are if this is true based on that, but are there other real elements in the movie that mirror your own life? Yeah, mental health stuff. Yeah, I've struggled with anxiety and depression much of my life and that's, that's in there.

And just a lot of just the feelings of loneliness or like wanting badly to connect with other people and not necessarily always knowing how and all these things. Like I want all my work to feel confessional in some way or another. Even if it's just acting in something, it needs to feel like I'm like, I'm like, like saying something. Like, it needs to have that quality of confessing something. I don't know. How many confessions do you have, James?

I mean, even if it's mundane, like, hey, this is, I don't know, when I act in something or when I write something or when I direct, I'm always thinking like it's a confession of, hey, this is what it feels like, this is what this part of life feels like for me, you know? And so that's what this movie was for me. Yeah. You have Patton Oswald in and obviously playing your dad. I mean, so phenomenal. What was that like getting him?

Did you envision him as your dad while writing it? Or was it just something that kind of came together? Yeah, he was in my mind for the character for a long time. And I was thrilled that he got the movie. The script won this contest over like 2,300 other scripts. It was this contest called Screencraft. And then his manager saw that. And I had wanted Patton for the role.

So then I was able to make him an offer. He was into it. We locked arms. He came on board as a producer for the movie. And then I cast the film around him. Oh, wow. Yeah, I mean, I've been a fan of his for so long. He's somebody that's really funny, but also has tremendous heart.

And it was fun kind of threading this tonal needle of this movie with him. He was incredible. Yeah. You all were. It was so good. And one of the questions I have is, when you first started writing the film, were you a writer first. Did you want to direct? Did you want to act? Like, when and where did this kind of passion arise in you? Yeah, I think it was that I wanted to direct it. Yeah, I mean, I write so that I can direct. And yeah,

with this story, I remember walking in New York with my dad, and he reminded me of this moment. I hadn't thought about it for a long time. And I was on the hunt for what my next movie was going to be. And I was just really struck by it and it was something where I started just writing it immediately. I was walking with him and I was on the notes app on my phone and I was like okay and then this could happen and this could happen this could happen. But yeah, it was so that I could direct it and then there was a moment where I was just going to write and star in it and I was going to have somebody else direct it. But then I was like, ah, I have a really specific way that I want this. So then I decided I was going to direct it, not star in it. So I was like trying to figure out who would make sense.

to play Franklin. Who was the first person that came in your mind? We love playing casting director. I was interested in Lucas Hedges. I'm a big fan of his work. A handful of, I mean, I saw some great actors for the role. Oh, people actually came in audition.

Yeah, some people auditioned. Because I thought it would be too big of an ask for me to go to my financier and say, hey, I know this is my first bigger movie, but I want to direct and star in it. So I just thought they wouldn't be down with that. Right. But then I just, I kept,

I kept being excited by the idea of the person that the thing happened to, watching them re-experience it in this heightened context, just creatively really exciting to me. And so I went over to Patton's house and I shot one of the scenes using my iPhone just to see how it felt acting with him while also directing and how just we physically looked next to each other. And I liked it a lot and I cut it together and then I shared it with the rest of my team and we're like, do you want to do this?

I was like, yeah, let's do it. Yeah, I can't imagine you're not doing it, I guess, after seeing it. And so we spoke with Claudia as well. Yes. Who, I mean, the first second she comes on the screen, you're like, who is this? Who in the heck is this girl? Oh, my God. Yeah, so beautiful and was also awesome in the film.

How did she get cast? I saw a lot of people for that role. She kind of just struck, like, she, she, She's so, she's so magnetic and she's so, it was, I mean, the audition she gave was very strong, but it was also just the conversation we had and how willing she was to be like, and how much she got what we were trying to do. And there's this kind of like, I got this kind of mischievous delight from this movie where it was like, it felt, I don't know, it was excited, it felt like a, that's the best way I guess I can describe.

It was this, it just felt mischievous, the whole movie where it was like, it was. was like sarcastic and sincere simultaneously. Like I wasn't, I didn't want it to be over the top broad. And I didn't want it to be ever like saccharine and hyper sentimentalized. It was this like weird in between zone that I was excited about. And she got that. And after her audition, she sent me an email. It was really that email, I think, that kind of the scales where it was just like she expressed her love for the material.

and how willing she was to dive in. And yeah, we jumped in together. Yeah. She's so playful. She is. Like, her energy is just, like, playful and willing and open. And it comes across in the movie when you're watching and you're like, oh, I am in love with her too. Like, she captures that kind of, like, electric first love feel.

Yeah. And I needed the audience to feel that way. We do. That they were getting catfished in the same way that, Franklin is getting catfished. I liked that. That was important to me that we were catfishing and being catfished simultaneously. Right.

Through the film. Yeah. So smart. Have you, other than your dad, have you ever been? No one ever said that before. Other than being catfish by your dad. Have you ever been catfish? I don't think so.

Have you? I don't. Have I? I don't think so. No, but apparently some people have been catfish. by people pretending to be you. What? Well, yeah.

So we asked our audience to write in with stories of being catfished just to like kind of play around and see what came forward. And a few people said I got catfished by someone claiming to be Rachel. Were they really funny? They were asking for money. Yeah. They were asking for money, I think. What?

Shut up, Rob. No, that's normally what those are. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. They do that all the time. Like scam. I sent you $10,000. You got that, right?

What? That's so crazy. I mean, I know there's things like, you know, there's other fake accounts and whatnot. I don't know that that counts as catfishing. This is a real problem, Rachel. Yeah. We're here. How many fake Instagram accounts do you have?

I only have one Finsta, Rob, okay? I only spy on, like, people sometimes. What is a Finsta? Fake Instagram. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's a thing. It's a thing.

So it sounds like you are. I actually am capped. Yeah. So if, you know, my girl, 304 ever hits you up. No, I don't know. It's such a fascinating thing. And they had that show. I think it was on MTV, right?

Was it a documentary? I remember that. Yeah. It's so gnarly. Like what? And it's heartbreaking, too, because of these connections people really make. Yeah. And, but I do wonder, like, how many times it kind of reminds me of love is blind.

Do you guys watch that show? No. Where they connect. Do you know what this is? I've scrolled past it. It's like, you know, reality where you don't see the person and you make that emotional connection. And then once you get engaged, if you get engaged, then you get to see each other. So it's that whole thing of like, what if you're catfish and you make like a real emotional connection?

And then you see them and you're maybe not attracted to them. Yeah. Do you pursue it? I've had a, I've had like an online date like that before. You have? Well, like, we met online and his pictures, like, he looked really cute and cool, and it was all, like, you know, contrived to look like a certain type of person. And then when I pulled up to the date, he was like, okay, so what we're going to do is, and I was like, whoa, like, this is the person. I wish I could hear the rest of that second.

He was, like, guiding me on my parking. And he was like, you're going to park here and go up the elevator. And I was like, oh, my God, this is not the guy. And did you just drive away and not go upstairs? No, I went. And he's like, I hate to be the guy that, like, tells girls about art at a museum. And I was like, no, you don't. You were out.

That would be out for me. Yeah. I was like, you invited me to a museum. You love to be that guy, you know? Clearly. It was horrible. If a guy on the first date was like, meet me at an art museum, I'd be like, I cannot make it. Yeah.

I just feel like that's, like, I don't know. The whole thing was awful. I'm being an asshole. No. It sounds a little pretentious. like come meet me at a museum. And then pretend that you don't want to teach me about art. Like, why'd you invite me here to teach me about art?

I guess because I knew that. That's why it's pretentious. I wouldn't think it was pretentious. Like, for a first day, like, oh, hey, let's go walk around, you know, whatever. Like, fine. Lachma. Yeah. Well, now that I know it's lackma.

I love the idea that all of my first days have been in a music. And all you? I like the idea that I'm just sitting here going, yeah, that's so weird. You're like, um. Like, I was like, like, that was like, like, that was like, like, that was me. I was like, go to the bottom of them. Like, she drove away from me. I was like, yeah. That was.

No, I know. As soon as I said it and you're like quiet, I'm like, shit, James goes to release on first date. But Jeff took me to like, one of our first dates was Griffith Observatory. That's not. That's a good mix of museum. You know what I know? It's like, you're going to see starts. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. But I did note it. It's like, oh, this guy. Did you? Yeah. He's my husband now. Right, right. But it is. It's like that same thing of judging like, you know, before you know, because he's your husband,

but you were kind of like the observatory. I was. I was like, it's a little on the money. Like you want to look at stars. You want to try and kiss me is what you really want to do. Oh, yeah. But I feel like we're from, we're both from L.A. So I think for us, there's certain places where you're like, oh, okay.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like doing like Hollywood Boulevard for. We're going to go. That actually be. We're going to, it would be fun, like, ironically fun. Exactly. But if you were doing it sincerely, you'd feel real weird about it.

Yeah. Oh my God, sincerely. Like, let's go find someone's footprints on the Hollywood. Believe it or not. Believe it or not. I would be into that, though, I'd be like, what's in there? Wait, so, can you tell us about some first dates? Like, where do you take girls?

I don't know. You can be honest. We're not going to judge, even though we just said. First dates are a tricky thing. I mean, what about you? What's you? Where do you go? He's like, take.

Where do you go? He's like, let me just redirect this because I'm sweating. God, what's your weirdest first date? Lou, you probably have a memory or Rob, anyone? I know your weirdest first date. What is mine? I have no memory, just so you know, James. Like, I really have one.

No. How did that happen? Car accident. It literally was a car accident. So I do have an excuse. Also, a lot of pot in my youth. But yes, what was my worst? When the guy took you to Skid Row?

Oh, yeah. That was odd. I mean, it was a little odd. It was a little odd. It was a little weird. How did you do that? Why? How did he do that?

In a car. Okay. Okay. That was all I wanted to know. No, no. Like, what was the context? How did you get you into that idea? I know. Was he like someone I met through you? Yes. Thank you for that.

You're welcome. Yeah, he was like, let's just go tour Skid Row. And I was like, this is really weird. But also, can I give you my leftovers? to the people. Oh. Not to the date. I thought he went to the date.

I was like, what kind of leftovers? You're like, well, what did you eat? Yeah. No, it was a little bizarre. I feel like I've had more weird than that though, but I just can't really remember.

I'm sure you've had weird ones. I mean, I've had weird dates, but no one's taken me to like weird places, I don't think. No? I mean, I don't think so. Okay. I know I have to think.

I mean, I did my share of restaurants. How weird. How do you feel about splitting bills? Oh, that's a really good question. I feel really awful about it. Yeah, okay, yeah. I don't know. Wait, just first impression, what would you say how we would handle a paying on a first date?

Pretend to offer your car. Yeah. Rachel expects it, absolutely. What the fuck are you talking? I do not expect. No. I think it should be... He just like to push my button.

You just be quiet over there. I think it's a complicated situation. I would never not offer, ever. Like, I would never just sit there and, like, let a dude pay. Ever. And how do you feel if they take the offer? If they are, like, let's go half-seys, I'd be like, oh, it's weird.

You know what I mean? Like, I do believe in, like, the gentleman... I am a little old-fashioned, but I also feel weird when other people pay for me. Hmm. Yeah. Right? Well, I, you've talked about this. Yeah. You're fucked either way.

Yeah. So you'll feel weird either way. I'm super complicated. How do you not feel weird then? Like, how does the person navigate? How do you feel better is the question? You feel better because you're going to feel weird. Actually, I'm okay splitting it.

I'm not. I'm not okay. This is what it is. If I offer and the guy accepts it, I do feel a little like, that's a little, I would be like, I don't know if we're going to go on a second date. So it's a fake offer? Yep. But it's also not.

It's a trap. She wants you to insist. You should make that clear. Hey, I'm willing to pay half, but I never want to see you again. You feel the same? I did that. You said that. Wait, what?

Yeah, you told them to take you for tacos. Yeah. We had this conversation before on the podcast. Remind me, remind me. This guy and I were dating, and we would always split. the bill and it kept not sitting right with me and I had to talk with him I was like look I don't care about money it's not about that there's something about it that doesn't feel right to me I'd rather you take me to tacos or like get a burger and treat me let's go to McDonald's I'd be so then it's so it's

not about the money it's just it doesn't feel right to split it doesn't feel sexy right you know and so after that I never paid for another thing and he was like great I'm glad you told me that Was Jeff? No, it wasn't Jeff. No, it wasn't my husband. No, but here's a thing. It really didn't bother me. This was the museum guy.

No, no. He had a lot of first dates. Who was the museum guy, by the way? He was some, I went online dating. Oh, okay. What app were you using? Oh, God, this was a while ago. This was like, do you do online dating?

Match.com. It was like match.com. Oh, my God. I tried it. I forced myself because I was like, I have to do something. I'm deliberately ignoring Rachel's question. I know. Well, that's me.

Oh, wow. Yeah, so what about you? She's like, are you on Raya? You were on Match.com. I was. Oh, wow. Yeah. My mom and dad were like both separately on Match.

And got matched? No, no, no. Oh, no. When I was a little kid, though, like my dad would go on date. Like, he would have dates over. And I think he would use us as like cute signify. Like multiple women? Not simultaneously, but.

But how old were you? I was probably like seven or eight, maybe like 10 or 11, but he would like, like he had like the same date he would do. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I would see his move and like I think he would use, he would like play the single father card a little bit. Uh-huh.

Like come see me as a small dad. Are you an only, no, I have a younger brother. Okay. But like they, I remember there was this one time where this, this woman came and put me to bed. Like, like, tucked me in. And I think it happened multiple times with different women. Oh my God, this is genius.

This is like part of your next movie. It was like a way for him to go like, why don't you go, why don't you go put him to bed? Like, see what I feel like? And you're like 19 at this time? Yeah, this happened last week. And I was like, all right. Wait, that's so weird. I know.

It was really weird. Like at the time as a kid, as it was happening, were you like, this is weird or is kind of nice? This is fucking weird. No, it was kind of like, I remember one of them like scratched. my dad. I was like, I like the back scratch, but there's something that feels off about this.

I think her name was Maureen. Yeah. He's like, I liked Maureen a little bit better than Wendy for the scratch. It was like Maureen and Cindy was one of them. And Dale. Oh my God.

Shout out to them. Wow. That's so crazy. I know, but like I would hear, I just remember clocking at a certain point, like he told this exact story. Oh my God.

It's like Joe. last week. I was backpacking. Sorry, I don't know if you know friends references, but it's one of their episodes. That is so insane. But you kind of can't blame him. No, I know. It's a great card.

It's a great card. It's very sympathetic. It is. It is. I'm going to do that when I'm a single father. Go up and rub my kids back. Yeah. My dad used to use that.

He would be, like, he would tell me and my sister would be like, we'd be walking by. He'd be like, go look cute. Ladies love it. You know, he would be like, They love you. Oh my God. Because the girls do. They're like, oh, it's a dad with their kids.

It's like the guy going out like a puppy. Like I have a puppy. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Don't you guys do that? Don't you take puppies places? I only went on one date though.

What do you mean? From online dating? Ever. Ever. No, from Hatch.com. That was enough for me. That was the one. That was the one day.

Are you going to answer us about online dating? Uh, maybe not. Oh, because was it pre-execating? Oh. I'm having fun. Me too. You know what? No.

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Oh, we do? Yeah. Oh, people rode in. Oh. So this one guy, he got catfish. He got a kidney transplant, okay? And a nurse wrote him saying that the way he dealt with that was so inspiring. she had feelings for him, da-da-da-da-da.

He fell so deeply in love. He left his wife and children. Went to go see this person. Good for him. She wasn't real. But wait. How do you... Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Time out. You leave your wife and... How do you not even FaceTime a person? No, because the wife and children were terrible. He was really... easy for him, actually. He had to get rid of him.

No, but like, this is... Wait, hold on. So she wasn't real? Can you elaborate? Or did they just write she wasn't real? I mean, I can read it to you. Do you want me to read it to you? Yeah. It says, have I been catfish? Well, I'm so jaded because I was in love with Hannah. Can you read it in his voice? This is a man, right? Maybe James should read it. I don't know. Yeah, they submitted it. Yeah, you want to read it, James?

Yeah, you should read it. Yep. Yep. Yep. A little bit of... Is it, should I, should, this is how he sounds. Don't make him sexy like, like that voice. Well, I don't want to make him annoying sound. You should make him like the museum guy. Yeah, yeah. Have I been, oh, and then he has emojis for the catfish. So he's got a little kitten and a little fish.

Aw. Which is really sweet. All right. Well, I'm so jaded because I was quote unquote in love with quote unquote Hannah so much so. that I was willing to move away from my children. Dot, dot, dot. And here's where it gets real dark.

I had a liver transplant and a quote unquote, Hannah, a nurse reached out to me because of, I don't understand, and a Hannah. Like, is that a thing? That was his nickname for her. Oh, okay. A nurse reached out to me because of my heroic transformation post-transplant. I'm trying to unpack this.

Because of my heroic transformation post-transplant. Because he had a, why was it so heroic? Maybe he'll tell. We should ask him. We traded picks, flirted, and I began to want to meet. But all of the sudden, she got a travel nurse job in Seattle. We talked and talked so much so I wondered when she actually was being a nurse. Yeah, like when did she all the time?

Yeah. I visited Seattle to surprise her, but she was working OT. I called her out. She gaslighted me until I questioned my own motives. I did not see how codependent I was becoming. We asked and asked to FaceTime.

I like the idea of We asked and asked. Like there was another person. The kids. The kids. Come on. Don't you want to see your new mom? Yeah.

But she could not, would not, because of her work phone tracked convoes and would not be considered HIPAA compliant. Oh. That's a pretty good excuse. Yeah, that checks out. Yeah.

I was stupidly hooked on her being real that I bought into more and more. I was going to move to Seattle. She asked for help for the first, last, and rent for, quote, quote, our apartment. Dot, dot, dot. So, suss. Oh, damn. Damn. Whoever, who was having this conversation with this person?

Was that? Is that Olivia? That was me. Oh, you asked questions? You asked. You guys fell in love on here. This is, you guys are going to a museum next weekend. That's really sweet.

Okay, then he says, I nearly sent the 4,500 until I got a gut check from a lifelong friend. I don't know she wasn't real, but she was not real. This went on for three months. Dot, dot, dot, dot. So janky. You wrote that on me? No, Olivia said, oh, man, my goodness. Glad you came to see the light.

You thought I wrote that when you first. That's very sweet. And then he said, stupid, I know. I was vulnerable. Oh, my goodness. T.B.H, though, I'd be okay. Rachel catfished me. What?

That's what it says next with a little, with a little emoji with the hand over. It's an eggplant. Should I write him? Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait. To Seattle. I mean, yeah.

I'm dying. Olivia. Oh, man. Oh, man. My goodness. Wait, the fact that you respond in this far. I'm kidding. They bared their soul.

They did. Yeah. Like, I'm not a crook. Oh, my God. No, it's actually amazing. I'm being an asshole. But I like that you didn't respond after the Rachel comment. You were like, that's too far.

You're like, we're done here. Yeah. I was like, no. Once you do that, we're done. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. Okay, that's legit. That was real.

I mean, yeah. Unless someone just, unless it was Rob. That was me. Was that you, Rob? I feel like people are savvy, like, it's easy to know if someone's doing something like that. I mean, I like to think and trust my intuition. Like, I can tell these things, but maybe I'd be wrong. I mean, I don't know.

Right? Do you meet a lot of people? Yeah. I only need people. on the internet that I've never seen. No, I don't know. I just, I don't know. It's kind of weird.

I've never done online dating, though, so I don't think it really, like, applies. Do you online? Rob is such a shit. Well, now that you mention it. Oh, my God. Do we want to talk about how I used to watch the OC in middle school? I don't know. How do you feel about that conversation?

Well, the fact that you were in middle school. No, yeah, I think I was. I think I was in middle school. My mom took my brother and I to the Everglades, and I remember I had the OC on DVD, and a portable DVD player. And for your road trip? Yeah, I just remember watching that, like, the whole season.

Well, Rob likes to say that I was never his favorite. I wasn't Marissa. But I was yours, right? I think you might have been. I think you were. Oh, my God. But the theme song in the beginning, that was like, that's what I. It's a good.

It's a good. Yeah, it's a good. It's a handoff. It is a good. But it's like how I imagined California to be. I was like... Do you feel that way now being here? Do you only play that song when you drive in California?

I feel like I'm still looking for that version of California. I'm like, do I have to go to Orange County to have that experience? I mean, we never shot in Orange County. Have you ever had the experience that that song evokes of California? You know what I mean? I do. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to think of the lyrics.

Going down the 101. California. I mean, I've definitely driven on the 101. Like, how did you feel about that song when you were on the show, though? I thought it was a great song. Like, did you get down with it? I thought it was a little ditty. No.

Yeah, I think so. Like, I always remember thinking, like, oh, that's an awesome theme song. And Phantom Planet was cool. And I thought that was a really good choice, obviously. And I feel like a lot of people when they hear that song. Didn't you send me a video of like your friend playing it in elevators? Yeah. Yeah.

People hear that song and it kind of instantly takes you. It takes you. It's so good. It's good. It's a good song. It was, you know, I've been rewatching the show. Really? With anybody or by yourself?

By myself alone at night. No, there's a rewatch podcast. And so we've been watching it and we're getting to the end of season three. I have to watch that episode next week, by the way. Where... What's it like overall? It's awful. No.

Do you... I was, like, super depressed because I was, like, 21 when we made the show. And I was like, fuck. Like, you know, what life has transpired since then. And it was kind of, it took me a while to adjust to watching it. But there's things I had never seen before because I'd never actually watched the show. So it's been, it's been fun. It's been entertaining.

It's been a little depressing. But all in all, like, it's cool. What was, like, the hardest scene I like out there? Yeah. What is this? What was the hardest scene to shoot in that whole show? That would mean I'd have to remember. Like, what's the scene you remember the best?

I remember the pilot a lot because, I don't know why, but I remember that. Maybe I've seen it the most, so it has, like, the most presence in my brain. But, oh, oh, I just watched one where it was, like, a prom and I'm, like, really drunk and I fall off the stage. And that was fun to watch. And I do remember that episode because it was so much fun to do. and that was fun. That was just as a whole. I guess that one was fun.

And after Marissa dies, there's like a thing in the fourth season. Spoiler alert. That's what I was going to say. I have to watch the episode where she dies like next week. And I don't want to, I think I'm going to stop it before I have to watch her die. I think so.

Yeah, I can picture like Ben, like carrying her. It's brutal. I don't want to do it. Anyway. But yeah, after that, like the whole grief stuff, I remember there was like Josh Schwartz, the creator, like, wrote some funny scenes ironically after that. And I think that was fun, too.

Hmm. But that's my love. He didn't have what was fun. Yeah, I asked for it was hard, okay? I wanted to know. Is that what you said? Yeah. I don't know.

She's like, well, I had fun. I love that. I did. And then I just went into autopilot. What's fun? Let me, hold on. Let me pull out my, like, memorized answers for the best scenes that you have Yeah, that was hard watching it.

You're back on the Junket. You're back on the O.C. junk. Yeah, I'm like, hold on. Let me just phone it in. This is in touch. Do those even exist anymore? Does like in touch on us weekly? Well, you're, you've done.

Did you do like a press junket for? Yeah, but we didn't do any in touch or. I think we might have done us weekly. Yeah, we did a junket though. How was that? Yeah, how was that? It was, uh, it was good. I mean, it's a lot of people talk about how much they don't like them.

Uh, but I really. like the movie we made. And so I was excited to talk about it. But what about when they, do they ever get personal? Like with personal questions, how do you handle that? I say,

that really hurts my feelings. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think the movie's more fun the less you know how much is real versus made up. I just,

I think it's more fun that way. It's like something where when you find out the answer, you stop wondering and then you stop thinking about it. It's like if a magician reveals his tricks. Right.

Then you don't care about it. You're like, that's just behind your hand the whole time. What? But what about personal questions outside of that? Like, because Olivia has... I mean, I'm terrible at navigating.

Oh, well, let's see how you handle this. Okay, go, look what you got? I have some too, actually. Here, I'm going to try to parry them as best as I can. Oh, look what the first one is. What is it? Online dating. Online dating.

Online dating. Mine is age, perhaps. They all just say online dating. No, we asked our audience things that they want to hear about and like topics and stuff that they want to discuss. So then what we did was we came up with a bunch of little fun cards. Can I see your cards? No. No.

You can hear them when we ask you. You're the one who just taught us that a magician doesn't reveal his tricks. I taught you that. You thought they would just reveal them? Yes. Yes. Okay. Go, Lou.

Okay. I'm going to start easy on you. Okay. Okay. Would you have sex with a woman on her period? No. Oh. I don't know.

Depending. How badly do I want to have sex? Or like how much are they believing? And what is the, who is this woman? So it doesn't matter. Like it can be. No, it's just a random woman. I don't know who this person is.

I don't mean it doesn't. And that's the only, that's the only thing I know about them. They just have their period. Like, no, I'm good. I don't mean it doesn't matter. I'm going to be. like any woman that you would have sex with or be having sex with. It makes it less, it does make it less exciting.

Okay, great. What about you? Okay, great. You guys also now have to answer. Yeah, would you have sex with a woman? Would you have sex with a woman on her period? I actually wouldn't. What's the male equivalent of a period?

There isn't one. No, no. If you're on your period, do you like having sex? Like, first day period is never going to be fun. If someone's penis was bleeding. Profusely. It's also like what kind of period are we talking?

Yeah. Yeah. There's different stages. Yeah. Like, heavy. Like, I'm not going to want to have sex because I'm not going to want to be like, hey. I think this scenario, it was the last.

It was the last period before menopause. What? What? That gives some content. No, he doesn't. What are you talking about? Any stage of the period?

Day four. Day four is like nothing. I don't know if I know enough about, I feel like I've remained, like, willfully ignorant about. the whole you never had like an open conversation like I just like just never been that excited to learn about right but are you okay if you're with someone that's super open and comfortable and is like yeah yeah yeah yeah that sounds amazing oh my god see you know it gets hot when I'm laughing so hard okay I have one this one okay

openness with parents about sex Very. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean... Like in detail? I mean, not in detail. Like, how much detail are you talking?

I don't know. How much detail do you want to give? It's hard to qualify, like, what amount of detail without speaking about detail. No, I mean, I do... Yeah, I'm pretty open. I think it's kind of hilarious. They know you've had sex before? They know I've had sex.

Mm-hmm. This is very... Very presumptuous of us. When I was... I told the story of how I lost my virginity at the Nantucket Film Festival in front of like 300 people. Well, what's the story? We'd love to hear it. It's kind of a crazy story.

We don't definitely sure. So I was 17. Yeah, well, you're living in what you're talking to here. And she was a 28-year-old Brazilian Italian nurse named Renata. And I was working at a car... Is this your opener? Because I feel like I've heard this story. Like when we were on the first...

Did I send it to you? My opener? Like my dating opener? This is an 11-minute story. Meet the museum. I had something to tell you. So anyway, her name was her not. I like the idea that you thought I was trying to open on you when we talked on the phone.

No. I said it. You're like, is this? The first time you talked on the phone, he told you how he walks. Were you? directing me to open on you? Did I miss something? I think you're thinking of the catfish story with the nurse that we just heard.

I was like, did you fall from heaven? You're like, I'm talking about being on my podcast. I was like, I know. I thought. I'm going to die. I'm losing it. What other openers do you know? Choking.

What other openers do you know? It's so much. She has the renters. How would that be... Like, how would that make me sound more appealing? Like, in my mind, I'm like, she's going to really like this. Summer from the O.C. You said Renata, like Italian-Brazilian Rana, just ring a bell for some reason.

Where did it ring a bell? Oh, my God. Okay. Okay, sorry. All right. I want to hear this. So let's recover to talk about my mom. Oh.

Which path do we want to go to? Wait. You're virginity. You're virginity. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So I was working at a car shop, like a pimp my ride kind of place called Eastside Motors. And I was...

Where did you? You grew up in Florida, right? No, in Boston. Oh. Right outside the city. I was born in Florida. Okay. And I had been working on her car.

And... It was like my after-school job. And she had this gray Mustang that we were like pimping out. And I was sitting by the rims. The rims are the part of the wheel. We know. We know. But I just wanted to.

I don't know. So anyway, she comes to sit down next to me and she says, do you want an older woman to teach you a few things? What? Oh, are you serious? I swear to God, it was like the first thing. she said to me, and I said, yes. Are this how you're remembering the story?

Is it actually what? He said, is this your opener? No. Yeah, I said, is this your... She's like, yes. And so that's what I say now. So that's actually my opener now. Oh, my God, I'm doing.

No, maybe there was more preceding that. I doubt that was the first thing she said to me. She was probably like, how's it going? It's a better story, though. Okay. How's my car going? It's going really well. And then she was like, do you want an older woman to you?

And I said, yes. and she was like, great. And then so I had to leap, but she didn't want to know that she was taking me home with her. This is kind of a long story. We've got time. Okay, so, okay, so she, she's like, okay,

you got to follow me out of the car shop because she doesn't want my bosses to know that she's taking me home. So I'm like, great, I'm driving my mom's station wagon. and we drive. I'm following her. She pulls into a bank, the parking lot of a bank.

She gets out of her car. And then she immediately starts making out with me. What? And I was like, this is amazing. And so she's like, okay, follow me. It's kind of a drive, but just follow me. And I'm like, hold on. I had worked the next,

I had a different job the next day. I was working at a Venezuelan restaurant called La Casa de Pedro as a host. And I needed to wear a suit. every day to that to that job uh and so i was like hold on i have to go get my suit for work she's like i'll wait here so i drive home and it's like probably nine or ten o'clock at night at this point i get inside and then i'm like oh my mom's not going to let me leave again like i'm home for the night so i shower i say good night to my mom and then i sneak back out of the house in the suit with her you put it on i put it on

I guess the idea of like carrying it with me just didn't Maybe I didn't want to wrinkle it or something So I'm like driving in my mom's station wagon wearing this oversized suit back to the bank And I'm hoping that I think a part of me was hoping that she had left Because it's like an hour after the fact I didn't have her number I'm like she's probably gone

But I get there and she's still there Damn what? She's like okay follow me So then we're driving on the mass pike And she's going really fast and I kind of like barely know how to drive. Like I had just gotten my license. And I'm like trying to follow her car.

And I think she was excited to be just like modified her car. So she was like showing off. And so I'm like trying to keep up. And after I think like probably 45 minutes of driving. And as some of where I was like how far are we actually going here? But I was at an age where I was like I really don't want to be a virgin. Like I want to get rid of this. virgin

I want to get rid of it I don't want to be virgin anymore and so I follow her to Belrica which is quite far and we pull into this like this weird apartment complex and I remember going up

the stairwell and like all the walls were super thin so I could like hear people's TVs and people like fighting and it was like kind of a rough apartment complex and I go into her apartment

and it's like a pretty nice apartment, but there are these, this is the weirdest details. There were these bowls of candy. Like all over her apartment, like these bowls of like M&Ms and stuff. And she's like, oh, sit down. I was like, all right, great. And I'm psyched at this point. I'm like, I'm not, like, now I think if it happened, I'd probably just leave. I'd be like, that I wouldn't like that there were this, these candy bowls. I think that'd be probably enough for me to bail. Yeah. A little creepy. But at that point, I was like, this is fucking great. Later, just like these peanut M&Ms, we got some skittles.

And then she's like, do you want something to eat? And I was like, sure. She's like, I can make you chicken Alfredo. And I was like, all right, great. And so then she went and made chicken Alfredo, and I'm like sitting on her sofa. And then she comes back in, but she's wearing lingerie. Wow. Like full lingerie.

Nobody has this first experience. I swear to God. I was so excited. And so she's like, do you want to go into the bedroom? I was like, yeah, definitely. And so then we, I go into the bedroom. And I'm like excited but scared. And we start having, I like, try.

I have no idea what to do. I don't know how to put a condom on. I don't, but I'm like trying to do it like I know what I'm doing. And I thought the whole point was to just do as many positions as you can. in like rapid succession. So I was like just flipping. All right, now we're going dog's done. Oh my God.

This is amazing. And we're like we're, I was really trying to show off how many different ones I could do. I thought it was really impressive. But I can only imagine in her mind she's like, what the fuck, dude? Like two thrusts and we're moving on. Right.

It's like a wrestling match. That's amazing. Yeah. like a wrestling match. And so then that it ended and I'm laying there and then I and then we're laying in bed

and she tells me that we're like laying bed and we're kind of talking like this and she's like do you care that I'm still married? I was like what do you mean? And she's like well because I'm just separated from my husband and he might come home and I was like

oh wow I don't know like he's gonna come home now she's like I don't know and then and then she starts telling me these crazy stories she tells me that she she just starts opening up like but arbitrary like about random shit

like she did she like beat up a guy on the side of the highway like she starts telling me these crazy stories and I'm like but I thought they were kind of romantic and great at the time anyway I go to sleep I wake up the next day.

She's gotten me a pack of Newport 100s, which I really liked at the time, and a big Dunkin' Donuts ice coffee. And I was like, this is the best ever. I leave. I'm so excited. I have it done. Then...

I have it done. I have it done. And then the next day, I tell Lorenzo, my boss, this spiky-haired dude that ran the car shop. I was like, dude, I had sex with Renata. I did it. And he's like,

what do you mean? And I'm like, last night, I had sex with Renata. It was amazing. And he's like, dude, I had sex with Bernada yesterday. What? And I was like, no, you didn't. Stop. And he's like, yes, dude, I had sex with him.

So I'm so upset. I remember being in, I was like in school in the hallway having this conversation. It's probably like a junior or something. And then I call Renata. I'm like, hey, did you, was this true? Did you have sex with Lorenzo? And she's like, no, no, that didn't happen. He's lying.

And then I'm like, okay, I thought that was, she's like, you can trust me. And of course, you know, I trust Rihanna. So I'm not. Yeah. She opened up. Yeah. So she, so I believe her, literally. And so I go back into my class.

And I think I was in special ed classes in high school. I was in like skills because I had a horrible ADHD. And so I was like, in my skills class learning how to like do my like concentrate for five minutes. And then I get another call like an hour later from Lorenzo. And I'm like, hello? And he's like, what did you do? Oh, no.

And I'm like, what do you mean? And he's like, what did you fucking do? And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking. But he's like, she came into the store and started smashing everything. She started and I'm like, what do you? Is she going to be okay that you're sharing the story? This was a long time ago. And I was like, what are you saying?

And then I'm like, you said that you had sex with her. And he's like, I did have sex with her. And then, yeah, and then he fired me. And so that's how I lost my first job. And your first virginity. And my virginity. Wow. Yeah.

Did you see her again? I did, actually. She took me and my friend, Akeem to go see a movie, actually. And it was like, because she was a nurse at Mass General. And so she was making money. And she actually propositioned me. She's like, she's like, let's hang out more. And I was like, oh, I got to study for my SATs.

She's like, don't worry about that. I can pay for everything. And I was like, I don't know. That seems like maybe not a good, as good of a bargain as it sounds. And so I'd. You declined her offer. No, she's paying for everything now. Yeah.

She funded the film. Yeah, that's why I can't talk about the dating. Because it's, yeah, she was my finance here. She's great. Was she hot? She was very hot. What she? Yeah.

Like I, I think. Oh, you have a picture? Fuck yet. I think I have a picture. Fuck yes to Renata. Oh, my God. I think. That's quite a story for your, like, losing your virginity.

Like, my virginity was like. Isn't that incredible? It is incredible. Rob's like, yes. Did you find her on Facebook or Instagram? No, she sent me. a picture of herself in 2008. And I have it on my email.

Oh, she's hot. She's smoking. I know. She's really hot. I know what? That's pretty like you're like... I was very excited. That's like some fantasy type.

Yeah, like your whole story and her. Are you catfishing us with her? She sent me an email saying, me, your girl. Oh. That was the subject. Whoa. And it was after, it must have been after like two or three years after. I think she like,

It's sex a lot. Yeah, she clearly like sex. She looks like sex. I mean, she's hot. Okay. Wow. Okay, that is definitely not most 17-year-old boys. I know.

No. That's how it went down. That actually brings up a great question that I was going to ask next, which was, do you have age parameters? Clearly not. I know. He might only go older and not younger. There's a rule.

Isn't there a rule divide your age plus seven? What is that? What do you mean? I don't do that. That's like, that's, so like if you're 32, you divide it by two. So 16 plus 7, 23. You don't go above 23? No, no, that's what you go.

That takes a real. You don't go below. I don't know. I don't go above. I don't go above 20. You know, after that, it's just kind of spoiled milk. I think, whoa. It's spoiled milk.

Yeah, after 20, I mean, after 23. Oh, my God. No, I don't know. That's the lowest. what your point is. Yeah, I would say, I don't know. Do you guys have parameters? I think I did when I was dating. Yeah. I don't think. What were they? They were like, I didn't date anyone ever younger than me, I don't think. No. No. Have I? And oldest is my husband. Seven years is the oldest I've ever. The biggest age gap for me would have been when I was like 18 or 19 and he was, what, 35? That's disgusting.

Well, he was disgusting. Do not make me say his name. I know. That's why I'm saying it's disgusting. It's disgusting. I think the parameter for me. is like, do I feel like the person is... It's more about the person than the number? Yeah. What about... Okay, so you did your lowest. What's your highest?

I don't have eyes. Oh, shit. He said that with swag. Granny Pierce over there. I don't know. If I'm like, I don't really... I'm not attracted to this person anymore. That's my highest when I'm like...

So your attraction for you is like just the person and you don't... Yeah. Like even if she's like 65, you're like, all right. Let's do this. I don't know. You're open. I kind of feel that way across the board. I'm kind of like, if...

If I'm attracted to the person, great. Yeah. Okay. I feel like that's very open and respectful. Well, there's some, I mean, I think the age has changed, too. Like, someone put a picture up the other day was like, this is what I thought 50 something would look like, and it was like a picture of a Grammy,

and then they said, but this is what it looks like now, and it was Selma Hayek. Right. Yeah, you'd still probably want to do it with Selma Hayek, or, you know, Jennifer Lopez or any of these, like, sexy women in their 50s. I'm like, I would. Yeah, right?

What's the question? Would you have sex with Selma? Yeah, like, would you have sex with Selma Hyac or J-Lo? The question was, is there a certain age where you're like, no? I don't know. I don't know. What do you, what you see? I think you guys are making him uncomfortable instead of me now. Rob's like, can we have teamed all the time?

We love to make him uncomfortable. You don't seem uncomfortable. No, no. No, you're so good at this. Yeah, you're like, just bring it. Okay, what you got? I got Raynada, what's next? Yeah.

I wish I could read all the cards, though. No. We will tell you cards. There's like a hundred. You guys each have like a hundred cards. We have a hundred cards. Did you come up with them? Did you guys each come up with your own?

We googled the most. But like, are these each your own, maybe? No. No, these are random. But did, who wrote these down? Well, I mean, I physically. wrote them. Okay.

These are all from our audience. And, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Got it. Our audience is our mind. By our audience, I mean, Rachel. Our mind.

Rachel's like, would you fuck a 42-year-olds on her period? I am not 42 or on my period. All these questions are just like, would you fuck this person? Yeah. Would you fuck? They're all sex-related. How about if they have diarrhea? That's a great question.

We did talk about. We did talk about that. Not diarrhea specifically. But how you handle going to the bathroom when you first start dating someone. What do you think? What do you think? I mean, I think it's... I don't know. It's such a good question.

What do you think? But do you think about it? I mean... Is it like something that's like, oh, we're going on our first trip and you're not super comfortable and there's like one bathroom in the hotel room? Yeah, it's kind of a complicated one. Yeah, right. I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, you, I mean, you gotta use some discretion. Sure. You know? Well, we are of the mind, like, we kind of keep that shit discreet throughout relationships. Literally. You know, we still, I don't know. Yeah.

Yeah. But it's a big, it's a thing. How do you feel if a girl, like, farts in front of you? I can't even say it. I guess it depends how well I know. No, I don't mean like a friend. Like, do you know. need to fart right now? Is that why you're asking?

You can fart if you really want to. I don't, I mean, I'd feel a little weird if you did it right now. Like, that'd be kind of unhinged. But, but dude, fucking do it. Just far away. Are we all going to fart now? Is

that what you guys are into? I mean, fuck yeah. You guys like farting? Oh my God. A lover. No, yeah. Okay, so the question is, how do I feel if a lover force?

It's such an old lady term. I'm just like fucking great. You are? No, I don't know. I'm like, that's a tough thing. I mean, you're like she just forks. Well, she's sitting on your face. I don't know.

Rob. Jesus, Rob. I mean, that is too far. I mean, she's sitting on my face. I mean, she can force as far as far as to see one. I'm always, no, I don't. If she, if she, it depends how she feels about it after.

If she's staring me directly in the eyes and farts and doesn't move her face, then I'm like, you got to fucking go. I don't think we should hang. out of them. Oh, my God. I'm going to pee. It hurts. Okay.

Oh, my God. Everything. This is a lot. Okay. Wait, did we get an answer? What was the question? Oh, no. What was the question you asked?

I think it depends. I like that you're eager to get this answer. Yeah. No, but I forgot what you asked. If it was in the card. How I feel about fronting. Oh, the original card was. Oh, my God.

Age parameters. We can move on We're covering some important ground Yeah We really are This is how we do it around here I like how we went from me talking You know

I made this film You know I made a movie I really wanted to explore The relationship with my father And you know What it means for somebody To do the right thing For the wrong reason

And you guys are like Will you fuck her on a period We're about if she farts In your fucking mouth Yeah you know I don't know if I like that much. Oh my God.

So anyway, I really wanted to explore kind of the moral complex that you're like, she's bleeding. A little shit comes out. Yeah. What about if she's real young? Yeah. Yeah.

So anyway, you know, I want to be a filmmaker. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Oh my God. This was Rob's idea. This was Rob's idea. No, I'm just glad my film resonated with you so strongly that. Oh, my God.

These were the questions that came up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what it brought for you guys. No, this is good. This is what I made the phone for. I definitely have a little bit. I'm not kidding. It's definitely my, okay.

Oh, shit. Oh, okay. Do I have, like, makeup all down my face? I can't. Stop crying. Okay. Let's get things back on track. Any run-ins with the law.

Okay. All right. Is that a written question? Or is that you just coming up with that question? That was Olivia's. Any run-ins with the law? Like, have I been arrested? Any.

Any. I've been pulled over. For what? I mean, I was going too fast, and they said, that guy is going too fast. And they pulled me right over. No, and I sold pot when I was in high school. Oh, see? And so I would get, like, cops would constantly pull me over when I was in high school.

And you had pot in your car? And I one time had pot in my car. Uh-huh. And, yeah, they caught me for that. Did they arrest you? They, well, I, it's kind of a longer story. So I was obsessed with mafia movies in high school. And a big part of mafia movies is that you never give names.

Right. And so, and like that you keep a coat of silence. And so I got pulled over and they found all this weed. And I immediately started giving all. the names and I started telling them everything and then I became friends with this cop at like that worked out of my town this guy and I started call he almost became like a weird big brother figure for me in a way where I would like call him and it's it's gonna actually I'm I'm gonna make a movie about this whole experience see it was a good fun it's an incredible question I'm sorry for ever

doubting it. I shouldn't have. I'm a fucking jerk, dude. I'm a bad guy. Okay, tell us more. He's like, no, I want to give away the movie. No, I met you're a bad guy. Oh, my God. We've really just gone off the rail here. All right. But so you were an informant. Yeah, for in high school, in my sophomore year of high school, I would tell the cops. like everything. Wow. And you didn't get your ass shit would you try to go

and then everybody found out that I was doing that and then I got my house would get like broken into people would paintball my house I would get beat up all the time oh no

it was horrible yeah yeah it was a terrible time but it's you don't still sell pop no no no and so that's

that's the next movie I'm going to make is about that time where like my best friends at the time were that cop and then my drug dealer And I felt like I was, it was this weird kind of push and pull between the two.

So your drug dealer was actually a friend? He was like a, he was probably a similar age to the cop. And I would never give that guy up because I loved him. But it was complicated, you know, it was a really complicated point in my life. That's just very interesting. I know. Boston. Yeah, yeah, outside of Boston.

Did you live in two separate homes? Yeah, my mom lived in a place called Weston, which is a very, it's a very rich town. My mom was going through med school raising us, but we had like a little house in this very rich town so we could go to the good public school. And then my dad lived in a town called Waltham, which was a little more blue collar, the area that he lived in. So I would buy from Waltham and then I would move it into the rich town, Weston. Wow. And, yeah. kind of felt like the

the, like, rich kid in the not so well off town and then the not so well off person in the rich like I didn't feel like a part of in either place really. You were like Ryan. I was like Ryan, exactly. Yeah.

No, I was like, who's Ryan when you said it? Like not, not a year on it. I was like, man, I like, I like that guy. You were like, yeah, you related to Ryan. Yeah, there's that scene where he's like at the pay phone at the beginning. He like He like

He like smashes the phone He always He was so pouty I like being So we have to talk about Like anytime he smiles We're like we love it when Ben smiles Because he's always kind of just brooding

But I like the brooding You're the brooder Yeah I like how Pouty is a bad way to describe it He's brooding He's brooding Yeah He's brooding

Pouty sounds a little petulant It does Yeah He's like no he's brooding He's got some real He's got some real shit going on He does have real shit going on Do you think that that's like a common theme at that age?

Because I was just talking to someone yesterday that was like when I was young, I felt like I wasn't the smartest or I wasn't the best athlete. It's like everyone's always trying to find like, who am I? Yeah, I think so. And it's never a fit at that age. Yeah, I think you have no idea who you are. So you're trying out all these different identities. And I think we kind of do that throughout our lives.

Right. Because you're 32 now, right? So do you feel like you have more of a grasp on who you are? Yes, but I don't think we ever fully know. I think we're always just deciding upon a version of ourselves that we like that we continually update as we get feedback from the outside world. But I don't think it's ever fully accurate. I don't think it's possible to exist without any affect.

I think we're like always posturing in one way or another in a way that we've been the best received. Yeah, but I think when we're in high school and of that age, we're trying on different hats. And we're a lot more obvious about it. Like, we're like, oh, I'm like a pothead guy. Right. I'm going to dress like that. I'll like wear Rastafarian stuff and listen to it.

And then we're like, no, no, no. You know, we go away for the summer to wherever and have an experience. And we come back and we're like really invested in signaling to everyone. Hey, I'm this kind of person now. Sure. Yeah, I don't know if that ever fully goes away. I think we're always like kind of trying to go, who am I? Oh, I'm this person.

And then we're like trying to be in line with that version. Shape-shifting. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like as you get older, though. I think you become less invested in signaling because you're like, I don't. Right. You just don't care as much.

Yeah, you don't care as much. You're like, all right, well, this is, you know. Yeah. Have you found a difference? in your anxiety and depression as you've gotten older? I think so. I think it's been easier to navigate. I've learned tools to manage it.

Like therapy and meditation and journaling and just like, yeah. Are you on medication for it? No, not now. I have been in the past, though, and it was really useful. Yep. Yeah. I know a lot of people that go on it and then go off it and have the same, like, result. Like, what about mushrooms?

Oh. They're great. Do you like them? Well, no, because people, you know, are like microdosing or whatever to help with that stuff. I've been doing these float tanks. Have you ever done one of those? Oh, you know, you told me, though, I think.

I've seen people. My husband does that sometimes. I did. I like how you're nodding. I'm like, don't worry, you did. You like gave them nod. No, because I didn't know what they were. And, like, I don't know why.

But I'm really. It was almost like with your nod, you're going, don't fucking embarrass me. You did. Right after you told me the Rannada story. Right after your opener, you then went to float tanks. No, I think you were just doing them. You had a conversation with someone else.

Like someone catfished you as me. With like a Rana. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Does that help with your stress? What? Float tank. Yeah, no.

No, talking to Rachel. Yeah, yeah. Calling Rachel. You're just telling me random stories. Hey, so anyway, we're not around. I don't know how. would have worked that in it. I don't either. No, but it's so weird because I get on the phone

with you and heard it before. I swear to God, like when you said, I was like, oh, someone has told me it was probably somebody else from Boston had the same experience with Renata and Italian Brazilian. Yeah, that's what happened. I don't know. That's weird though. Why did I think I had hurt? Anyway, it is weird. Float tanks are helping you with your indicty. No. Have you? Has anyone?

My husband has. They're great. Yeah, and he'd bring his shorts home and they'd be like, stiff. Now, are you enclosed in like a tank? The salt water ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like claustrophobic to me. No, it's not because you can just easily get out. So you go in. But you're like, they don't handcuff you in there. No, but like you're in water and you're totally enclosed?

No, it's more like a little, it's like a little room you go into. So there's a lot of space, like height space above, and then there are these little lights that you can turn on and off in the ceiling that kind of look like little stars. Okay. And then you're, you're awesome. That's so great, James. I'm so glad you have this fucking weird thing that you go do. But you know, Griffith Observatory, the stars over things. Awesome. That's awesome. Yeah.

So, I don't know. You lay in there. But it's like, and you completely, you can totally kind of like let go of, and you feel like you're holding on. You're like, I'm not going to float. And you do. You float. And. I never could float well.

there's a lot of salt in these things lots yeah i think it does it for you it does it for you okay i never you know people are like they were just float like i'm not a floater no no he's gonna drown we're gonna read in the news rachel dies in a float tank that's my worst fear though is drowning like if i feel like i'm enclosed i think when i was a kid i watched a movie and a girl swimming in a pool and then like a clear

you know cover goes over it to kill her and she goes to come up and it's fucking what movie is it i don't know it's really i think that's scoffer starred me for life. What's your favorite movie? Just Friends. Sorry. I know you get so mad when I say. I'm being like as far as like not serious. Like the right answer goes. I would say just friend. Is that who's in that? Ryan Reynolds and Anna Ferris. Anyway. It's a Christmas classic. You should check it out during this season. What's your favorite movie? This season. You know, I mean, I really there's some obvious one like the Godfather or Apocalypse Now. Sure. But, like, my favorite weirder movie is this French film called The Bear. And it's just that it's, it follows a bear. You told me if I was kidding.

And it falls, yeah, it follows a bear for like most of the movie. And it's... I've heard of this. It's really good. I have, too. I'm trying to think of where. The bear's a Hulu show about the chef. Yeah, that's what you're thinking of. Wait, the bear were the guy who used to follow the bears and then gets killed my one?

It's grizzly, man. That's grizzly, man. That's grizzly. Yeah, no, this is like, this is a really trippy. Like French crazy movie. Where they used actual bears, but like they shoot it in a way where you can, you really feel. Are you sure you didn't tell me about this movie? He gets a job making Italian beef in Chicago, though, right?

Yeah, he's a chef. Was it Derek Waters? Was it Derek? No. Okay. Anyway, I like that movie on. We never ask Rob what his favorite movie is, so we have to include Rob. What's your favorite, Rob?

I love my dad That's really nice I would say Either Darjealian Limited Or no country for old men Really Lou I like eternal sunshine

For the Spotless Mine And I like that it's a different It's different than of the Spotless Mine What had I said? For the Spot This is a different one It's a different one It's a dyslexic one

And I like Fight Club And Moulon Rouge See, I really need to remember what my favorite movies are. It's so fucking good. I love it. I also like Silence of the Lambs a lot. Geez, I know. I know I have like real movies that are my favorite, but like I said, my memory is not supporting me here.

I'll have to have them, like, you know, written in my phone. So I can call on them. That would be awkward at all. What's your favorite movie? Hold on. Hold on. Hold that thought. Let me tell you. you. Let me tell you.

All right. Well, then we'll just move on to something a little bit more low-key, like, weirdest turn-on. Oh, no. Weirdest turn-on. But see, you guys don't know, but he goes for it. Yeah, I love it. You're a very willing participant. Rob's just cackling away over there. It's his idea to do this, by the way.

I feel like it's working great. I don't know. He's like Granada. Fucking, yeah, I guess Brazilian Italian- Italian nurses. That's kind of hot. No, that's for not.

That's not your type normally. What's, I don't know, what's, what is yours? See, this. There you go. This, right now. Yeah, asking strangers. Yeah. You're like, I fucking love this.

Ding-d-bing-bing. Do you have one? Do you have one? Yeah, a weird? Maybe we need to like feed ours to help others. Yeah, yeah. Don't know what I would say. Oh, feeding.

Feeding. Feeding. Weird turn-ons. God, I feel ordinary right now. Boobes. Yeah. I really like, you know, like, you know, like, butts? Yeah.

Good ones. Do you know those? Buts are cool. Holes work. Vigina. Oh, you want to know a weird turn-on? is this, I remember when I first started dating my husband

and he was on call because he would have to go deliver babies in the middle of the night and he would be taking the phone calls and then he'd have to like rush out and you'd be like, not until I fuck you? I'd be like that is the biggest turn on ever. To go deliver babies?

Yeah. Wow. Like that's a weird turn on. I think that's mine too. Oh. I did. I found it. sexy. I think that's mine. Renata.

A nurse. Yeah, I got to have them deliver some babies, though. What's yours? I don't know. I'd have to, like, again, I don't prep my own. We just come up with the question. Rob. You're unwilling to feel anything.

No, I'm not. I just, it's hard for me to think in the moment. No, I'm sympathetic to that. What about, what about, like, What about really weird? What about really weird? Like, not necessarily things in real life. Yeah, like, what are you going to regret revealing after?

What? Like, what can you share with our audience that's going to make them... You cut it? Yeah, like, share something that you have to cut after it. Like, what about the, like, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky? Like, do you think that's hot? What? Getting impeached over it.

Yeah, like, something so bad. Like an affair with a politician? Yeah, or something like that. No, but like... Like a fair? I like that. That's what he went to. I know.

Like the most terrible. Who I fucked her with a cigar? He did? Really? Yes. He fucked her with a cigar. But not his penis, but a cigar. I'm sure he also used his penis too.

But one of the big things is that he fucked her with a cigar. Wow. So I was like, okay, that's a little like, okay. Out of the ordinary. Out of the ordinary. I mean, I'd be down to try some, like, shit. Like, I don't know about that a cigar. I mean, the president wants to fuck you with a cigar.

It depends on much of president. If they want to have an affair, I guess. It was funny. We can try it out. But the second they take a cigar out, I'm going to walk out of the White House. I'm done. Yeah, I don't know.

I know that, like, Drew Barrymore just came out, and she's like, I'm a dirty, which she was like, I'm a dirty bird. I've tried everything. Did you not read this? No. No. I don't read.

You don't read. No, I read gossip. Online erotica that you are? Online erotica. Strictly. All right. Let's go to a new card. Could you date someone in a different political party?

Speaking of Bill question. Like they're independent? Yeah, I think that's where we give that question. They're in the green party. Big Ralph Nader fan. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Someone whose beliefs are like strongly opposite than yours is probably.

Would I date them? It might be tricky. I don't know. I don't, not right now, I don't think. Okay. I would hook up with someone. I'd be like, I'd sleep, whatever. I don't know if I'd want to, it also depends, like, where, what their beliefs are and how they came to that.

Are you religious? No. Okay. But like how they came to that system of beliefs. Okay. You'd be, you'd want to inquire. Yeah, I'd want to know more. I wouldn't just be like.

You like to, like, get down and, like, in it with people. and like figure it all out. I think I'd want to understand how that, yeah, how they came to that system of beliefs and, and I don't know, maybe there's, maybe makes, I don't know, I'm always open to hearing another perspective. That's reasonable. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. What about you? I'm sorry that that was. No, I'm sorry that was so mild. What about you? Would you date someone with different political beliefs? That's a tough one. It's harder now.

It's harder now. It's so polarized. It's so, yeah, yeah. I know couples that have been together forever and, you know, have very different political beliefs and they just don't talk about it. But that's like you have a huge foundation before the fact. I don't know, coming into something

and like learning someone and those are their beliefs and they're so opposite, it would be a hard thing, I think. to get past. I think there's so many different aspects of a person that if all the other aspects were really, really great and that happened to be part of the package. And I could somehow wrap my head around it, then maybe, you know, but if they were like not that great and then that also happened to be a thing, I'd be like, eh, this seems pretty, I don't know why I'm so focused on this person. It probably depends how extreme they are. If they were at January 6th. Right, right. Maybe not.

Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, but you don't know his political. party. He may have been at January 6th. You never know. He may have been there. Yeah. I mean, I think we tortured you with all of the... No. I have one more.

One left here. Worst one night stand, if any. Oh, gosh. You can't use Renata again. Nope. Because that obviously wasn't the worst. Worst one night stand. God. Well, it was great to meet you guys. This was a really good first impression.

This is nice. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'd have to think about that one. Okay. What about you? Oh, he's looking at me. I've actually only had one, one-night stand. Why are you looking at me?

My first night of college, I had a one-night stand, and the girl was very, very tan. but then I guess she wore bikinis like all the time because it was like she was a complete it looked like she was wearing one without her clothes on yeah but like it was very like in black light it was like it was like very stark

and that well college I don't know and she like she you know how some people like bite when they make out yeah like she like did it like wait I don't think she understood that it's kind of like playful because it would be like actually bite

It was like, it felt like it was dangerous. Like I needed to be care. Yeah. I was like, ah, this, I don't want to have my lip bitten off here. I don't know how invested I am here. So, yeah, that was tough. Because I was very in my head the whole time. Like, should I, should I say that I don't like this?

Yes, you should. You know what I mean? Yeah. But in college, you don't think, like, I'm going to say this in the moment. Well, girls are trained to. Why, guys? In the moment, say something? Hell, yeah.

You haven't? Okay. I mean, nowadays. What's your worst one-night stand? I have to look at her because I, for my memory. She hasn't had one, but I'm. As I have? A one-night stand?

Oh, yeah, you have. Okay. I never wanted to sleep with him again. Yeah. I called him like a wet seal because it was like. Oh. What does that even mean? He was like sweaty and he like slid right on me.

Oh, my gosh. God, I don't like that. I don't like that. Okay, see you later. He make it sound like he flew. He like went on top and his cat was like slipping slide. Whoa. Kept going.

Cute. Gross. What if that was like his move? He's like, oh. He's like, check that out. And like, no one ever told them. Or he was in a long-term relationship where the person was like, I love it when you slide right off.

Or she was really trying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was sweat. It wasn't that kind of wrong. I wish I could like visualize what you're describing. What do you mean? I could paint a more descriptive picture, but I'll do that after. I don't want to say it on here.

It was just funny. Okay. You were like, ha, ha, ha. It happened. You were like, that was cool, man. I think I did laugh quite a bit, like, during the whole experience. and he's like, why you keep laughing? And I was like...

Are you sure it just wasn't the seal? What did you say when he said, why do you laugh? I don't know. I just laughed. I don't know. I was just laughing. I'm a funny girl. What can I say?

Yeah. Good time, girl. I'm just having a great time. Oh, my God. Have you had a one-night sand rock? Yeah. Oh, you little shit. That's how you answer questions.

That's how... I'd like to redo this whole fucking... interview. Oh, sorry. What was your worst? That was an option for me just to go, yeah. Because I would, give me some more questions. I'll answer anything.

Yeah. Yeah, there's not much of a story there. No story? It was my roommate's friend. And that was it. Mine was like a true old-fashioned. One night stand. Wow.

His name was Antonio. Bender. Van Derris. It's right after Spy Kids. Number one trait you look for in a partner. That's, that's harmless. Yeah, that's our last one. That's our last one, right?

I mean, they've got to be on their period. So you're like, I'm still bleeding. Yeah, okay. Like a wet seal. A wet seal, a little bloody. A little bloody. No, no. I guess kind kind

kind good yeah but what if she's not funny funny is funny is funny important yeah

what if funny's not important I'm asking no no they have to be funny at least get the joke or they need to be funny themselves because there's a difference

big difference I don't know I mean I think okay so would you prefer someone really kind or really funny

funny? I think funny yeah yeah yeah 100% Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will introduce you to my husband. No, just kidding. He's not a jerk.

No. You need to laugh. You need to laugh. You're very funny. You are funny. Did you know that you were funny? Do people tell you you're funny? That'd be so weird if he didn't.

Do you know? Do you know? But like, is it one of your things? Like, girls have always told you like, oh my God, you're so funny. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I think I'm sometimes funny that I'm not

sometimes I'm not that wrong I think you're really funny Yeah you're really funny I mean clearly like I peed my hair Yeah I'm gonna need a new armchair Yeah sorry Rob You're gonna have to spot clean this

You actually like I mean there's like Not a full pee in your pants I wouldn't say like a full pee But there's definitely like dribbles Did you have you peed? There's a little dribbles That's amazing

I mean I laugh that hard What if I just like Peat Like me too Yeah me too I fully pee my pants. I'm really sorry guys. I'm really

sorry. It's everywhere. I don't want to stand up. Like, oh, I'm so really viewed it because I literally peed everywhere. Was it Liam Neeson that has peed his pants a lot of times? What? Are you talking about? There's like a bunch of photos of him

having peed his pants. Have you guys ever peed your pants, like, properly? Yeah. No. I peed my pants in third grade. during a violin rehearsal. You were playing the violin? I was in a violin like rehearsal, like a practice

and they wouldn't Oh my gosh. What? Is he showing you? She's showing me Liam Mason with wet pants? The Reddit thread. Why does Liam Neeson pee his pants so much?

And there's multiple photos of... That's not nice. I feel bad. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that. That's terrible. That is weird. Why did you show that to me?

That I can't handle. That's so weird. God. No, I peed my pants in third grade and then I tried to and it was in the middle of a violin rehearsal and so I had to stand up. So what I did, my strategy was

I told everyone that it was a Capri Sun. Yes. I said, oh my God. The Capri Sun popped in my pants. And so I called a ton of attention to it. Like in the middle of the rehearsal, I was like, oh, God, the Capri Sun.

I shouldn't have had it in my pants from lunch It's everywhere now Look at it It's all over the ground It was like a serious like violin playing And then that thing goes out I think we hadn't even got to playing We were still like plucking

It would have been better though If you guys Blong Blong orchestra And you stop everybody Like Capri son Oh my goodness But I kind of think that's the move That was the move

That was the move And then my babysitter He was Kirsten she picked me up And I was adamant About this Capri Sun popping And then like years, years later, I was like, do you remember that one time where I was like, I said a caprice, she's like, dude, you stunk like piss.

Like you weren't fooling anybody. No, for sure. Yeah. I have not peed my pants, except for today. Wow. Just a little, a little bit. I think, I don't remember, but I have. Hmm.

I know I have. I think I've, like, peed the bed or something. Hmm. On her floor. I peed on Rachel's floor once on accident. What do you mean? Like when I was sleeping. I was sleeping and I was dreaming that I was peeing.

And I woke up because I could hear the pee on the hardwood floor. Like, and I was like, what the fuck? And I realized I wasn't in the forest like I thought I was in my dream. I was in Rachel's room. Which room? You were drunk, though, right? I was. I stopped drinking.

Don't worry about me, guys. One was this? This was a good 15 years ago. Yeah. We've given up alcohol since then. Oh, we didn't do the game. What? We have more cards.

We just, I sent you. Oh, you did? What's the game? It's the last thing that we did. Yeah. We play Fuck Maricott. Do you know what that is? Yeah.

He sounds so uninterested. Are you excited? I'm super excited. Sounds amazing. I don't know. Oh. Oh. Sorry.

That's not our game. What other games do you guys have? I got Face 10 upstairs. Do you guys play chess at all? No. I have. You have once? I have once.

No, I have. She's going to double down on that. You have a story. I'm not going to share it. Yes, I do know chess. You do? I play chess. But we love games.

What if we just played a full game of chess right now? Would that be fun for our listeners? Oh, E4. Oh, let's try it. Oh. Oh, wait, there's two options here, Rob? What's the other one? No, it's only one game.

Two rounds of people. Which one do you want to do? Lou, you pick. I don't want to pick. Okay, I'll pick. Let's do... Oh, you're coming with me on Wednesday. Okay.

Selma Hayek. Okay. Are you okay with that? Do I have to I'm not done The options first Selma Hayek Scarlett Johansson

Jessica Alba Rob Rob How do I get out of playing this game How do I get out of playing this game? How do I get out? Yeah I think all

I mean I think I fuck Mary and kill all of them honestly I think it'd be this kind of You'd kill all that one No no I wouldn't kill any of them And I don't think I'd marry that. I don't know any of them. They might all.

So marry, Barry one night stand then. Mary, Barry, or one night stand. Oh, God. I don't know. I don't know if I'll play this game. Now he's uncomfortable. No, because I don't know any of them. And I don't want to have, I don't want to meet them at some point.

And be like, I can't believe. I can't believe I killed you. Or I can't believe that I said I wanted to fuck you. I don't know. Like, I don't want to be in, I don't want to be in that position. I don't know how much I get out of participating. I don't think Scarlett listens to this show. No, I know.

I, yeah. We can, we don't have to play. What other games do you? We have. Let's ask another game. Let's ask another game. Let's ask another game. Let's ask another game.

I don't have one. Never have I ever. Okay. What do you? Never have I ever. Fuck Mary killed. Never have I ever. Okay.

Never have what? We'll do three of those. And that'll count. That'll be our game. but you have to start it and what do I do? How do I? What is this game? You've never played never have I ever? But isn't it like

a drinking? Don't you have your fingers in the air? You say ding ding ding, ding? What? We also don't need to play a game. Yeah, we played so many games we can let you go. We can let you be done with us.

You're just released. Yeah. Just do a final plug of the torture. All right. I love my dad. That will be on Hulu, December 8th, and you can watch it with your friends, with your family. It's a touching tale of a father who catfishes his son in an attempt to reconnect. It's funny. It's sad. I don't know what I'm doing right now.

You're doing great. Go see the movie if you feel like seeing the movie. And then... On Hulu? It'll be on Hulu, yeah. I've watched her with my mom and wife on Thanksgiving. Whoa. How did it go? Do you like that? My mom was very confused by it.

She's not the smart. Oh, God. Rob. But my wife loved it, and I'd already seen it. Okay, all right. We clearly loved it. Nice. Yeah.

Thank you. All right, guys. Truly. I love my dad. Truly. This isn't a lie. No. No.

No, it was so fun talking to you, and thanks for being so brave. Like, I didn't know. I was going to have to be. I don't know. I'm going to actually tell my people to. That was fun having a career. Yeah. No, you were so fun.

Thank you for being so awesome. Thank you, guys. Whenever I hear the word anyway or and when I say it, like anyway, my brain immediately goes now to any Hewell-Hauser. It really good. It really stuck with me. Oh, my God. Derek Waters, you left a lasting impelior.

print. That's not who we're talking to that. We're talking to James Morrisini. And. Anyhew-Houser. All right. Rob, what were your takeaways from this interview today? I don't ask me that. No, because I know what they are because you had a similar story to James. No, absolutely not.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, Rob, like, sidebarred us and was like, I have a story about a Renata story. Mm-hmm. We love making Rob uncommon. Do you want to tell this story? Not particularly. I had a very similar story to... We're just leaving it at that. You can relate

to James's Renata story. She said the same exact long. What was it again? Is it weird that I'm married? Oh, yeah. How often, you know, when you get that... Yeah. Is it weird that I'm married? Was it? It was weird. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I would take that as weird. Any other takeaways from this interview? Nope. Rob laughed a lot. Rob, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Rob laugh more than any other interview. Yeah, and, you know, I do think he got a good kick out of the cards. Mm-hmm. So was that a takeaway that you like the cards and the questions?

Yeah. Big takeaway. Love the cards. Huge. Huge takeaway. Yeah, you were a fan of that bit. Yeah, really helps the conversation when you guys are like. Flat learning.

floundering. We didn't floundering. We had a great conversation. Because you had the cards. That's not why. He was really... 100% why. No, it's not.

That is boo hockey. Any Hugh Hauser. No. Because here's the thing. We've got those on deck in our head anyways. We do. Yeah, because we made them. No.

It's because we made the cards and then... Oh. I feel like we wouldn't have gone flat with him. I'm going to be honest. There's been a couple of guests where we've... gone flat, right? And the cards would have been... The cards would have gone flatter.

Yes. Oh, absolutely not. No. You're wrong. Because it takes a certain person to be open and willing to discuss... And playful. And playful... They have to have a sense of humor, right?

There's definitely, you know, some people in life that may not have a sense of humor. And I don't think those are the right people to bust out the cards on. I agree. You just got to read the room, right? Like, certain people go deeper. Certain people are more playful. certain people are more serious and we kind of got to meet them where they're at.

Yeah. James was playful. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we laughed more than we ever have. I don't think I've seen my pants. In life. In life was the most I've ever laughed in life. Yeah, legitimately peed a little bit. Did you guys do your homework over break?

No, okay. I did part of it. What happened with me? Yeah, you got just so busy. I was busy. I, what was I supposed to do? Watch White Lotus? And in Bruch.

Yeah. No, I did not do either. I started White Lotus. I got through the first half of the first episode. And it was great. But then I don't have time to watch. Yeah. I think I fell asleep on the plane is what happened.

This whole book club thing is really not going to work. I read a whole book on my flight home from Christmas. Did you read the right one? I, no. We have to do the book for the book club? Have you heard of Verity? It's like really popular right now. I sat on the plane for five hours and I just read that I finished the book.

I read it from beginning to end. And you guys didn't read it so I can't talk about it. But it's popular right now. And that's the only time I feel like I can read is because Breyer was happy to watch things on her iPad and I had a book. And I finished the whole thing. What's it called? Berity. But we do, we did say in the last episode that we were going to do a book club.

So we have to honor that and do it. I think we should honor that. Well, yeah, what I'm saying is I'm not going to read that book if you're not. What book? Maybe you should talk to someone. I've read it before. I will absolutely read it again. It was one of my favorite book.

I think you're going to have to read it again because your memory is in the... Yeah, my memory is shit, but I do remember things from it. So that says something too because I have no memories. When I remember things, I remember important things and things that really resonated, which her book did. Did I give you my copy? No. Oh.

Okay, so how much time do we have to read the book? What's the average time of a book club, Rob? How long is this book? I mean, normally you do like a book a month. Oh, okay. That's doable. So we're starting in January. I'm just saying I don't have a ton of time to read a book.

None of us do. So if you're not going to read a book, I'm not going to read it. She's going to read it. Rob, I'm a reader. I love books. I need a real book, though. I need a book in my hands. Do you want me to order two of these?

I have one. I know where it is. Are you sure? Want me to go look right now? I'll look after. I know where it is. So don't order it yet. All right, so we're going to read it this month.

We're going to read. Tell me the exact name of the title, because I keep saying it wrong. Maybe you should talk to someone, a therapist, her therapist, and our lives revealed by Lori Gottlieb. So if anyone else wants to read along with us, we're going to read that. The first week of February, let's say. We're going to discuss it. And we'll do a post because people do keep asking what books we mentioned with O.C. Hale.

Many lives, many masters. Many lives, many masters, the untethered soul. And then I believe we said we're going to read, maybe you should talk to someone. So we'll put a post with that so you don't forget. Yeah, but each month, well, what, we, this is your pick? Maybe we should talk someone or this is yours? That's Rachel's. Okay, Rachel.

I miss my therapist so much. Have you made any calls to new ones? No, not why? Because it's a whole thing. It's not. You know what we haven't done since the holidays? What? We haven't given Rob his present still.

Yeah Rob We have your Christmas present in a happy birthday bag And then we'll talk to you about it After you open it Yeah I'm like slightly scared

Wait do you Is this a real gift this time What do you mean? It got in like a popet spinner No well in the picture of a podcast This is only part of your gift Oh yeah So don't be alarmed

But be alarmed Don't be alarmed That's the starboard opening Oh great Christmas mug With Justin Pictures of me all over it Pictures of Rob all over it

In his American beauty pose with Rose Bowl It's beautiful It's beautiful Thank you That's not your only present So excited Okay so Rob He's very hard to

get presents for because, well, number one, he buys everything for himself. Number two, he only likes boozy-ass things. Not true. That is, what do you like that's not boogie? Yeah. Name one thing. I don't know. Exactly. Olivia and I literally, for the past, I want to say two months. Yeah, it's been a thing. I have been going back and forth on what to get you for Christmas. Now, if you, I saw one of the ideas. How was it? Oh, you saw my computer. Natalie? What on whose computer? Yeah, my text message. He was on, I had share screen on.

I mean, it was Axe Bandle. Was it the tattoo thing? Yeah. Yeah. We're not doing that. Was that a good idea, though? What was it going to do? Well, we could do that.

We could do that. No, no, no. So this is why. It's like a real, it's a real issue. That's why Rob and I were talking and it toned on me, so I text you immediately. Yeah. But I forgot Rob was sharing my screen. So my text message came.

I was like, Rob, don't look at that. That's typical me. Whatever. Because it like dawned on me. I was like, oh, that would have been good. So, okay, we've been going back and forth because we wanted to do something really perfect and nice. Something you would actually like and personal.

We were struggling massively. For months now. Months and months. We've broke your wife into it. Oh, yeah. We're still going back and nice. So we've decided. Did her number?

Yes. We've been texting her. Oh, yeah, we've been texting her. She has said no to every single thing. Legit. Legit, like everything's a no. But we kind of settled on two things that we're like, we're just going to do one of these.

Yes, and you got them up. That's a side present. So we're just going to be like, you know what? You pick which thing you think you will want more? Out of three then. Because truthfully, we've gone through, I mean, I went to my boogiest friend to be like, what would you get? And then he needs suggestions.

He showed this watch. It was like a watch. I know. So then, you know. I said, no. I was going to buy you clothes from Mohawk. general, but then I was like, why are we going to get him clothes? It's like not personal. Yeah, and then our friend said, don't get a guy clothes. It's just tough, dude. It's tough, dude.

And we didn't want to get you restaurants. I don't like a lot of. I'm pretty simplistic. Yes, I know. Then I went down a fucking rabbit hole of white socks shit, like rare white socks stuff. And I'm like, he doesn't collect fucking baseball cards or like, do you? Do you? No. No. I mean, I did as a kid. She found a really dope vintage jacket that we were both like that's worth a lot of money. I'm like, he's not going to wear a vintage jacket. He's going to make this gross. Would you?

Probably not. Probably not. Exactly. I told you. Not that it's another. I don't like wear a white socks jacket. Yeah, yeah. But it's dope.

I found like a rare hat that was like and the only one that wasn't like used to have tags on it wasn't cool. And I knew you wouldn't want like a old. Anyway, you see where I'm going through this. That's very tough. It was thoughtful, but like could not land on it. Then there was like... Hot dogs. Hot dogs from Chicago.

And Natalie's like, people are sending stuff from Chicago. Don't do it. Yeah, but he's gone down every road possible. Every rabbit grinhole. So then we... Olivia had a great idea. I thought it was a great idea. Natalie didn't think it was that great idea.

No. But then we kind of have left it on the table as something, which is... Which one? Yours. Pizza oven or the fridge. The pizza... Oh, though they both were yours. Yeah. They were both our ideas.

You do a pizza oven for your deck outside and get you John and Vinnie's pizza dough so that you can flex when you have people over and be like, oh, what's up? Do you want a pizza? I like pizza oven idea. See? He liked it. It's a good idea. Natalie said that you never have time to cook.

That's true. She did say that. However, it's kind of like an experience because you just redid your backyard and I'm like that means... Well, maybe we should let you pick the one you want Would you like to pick you people? We found a dope one, but I'm sure you have an opinion. I don't have a major opinion.

But you have an opinion. I mean, I mean, we would not do you wrong. We wouldn't do you wrong. I don't need to pick out a model. Yeah, we got good recommendations, like solid ones. And we thought that would be cool when you have people over on your new debt. Okay, so you like that idea. I told you.

Yeah, I didn't think I was with you. No, I know. I know. I know. I know. You were with me. I was with you. I was like, that's a good idea.

Okay. The other idea was like, top of the line. Top of the line. Mini fridge for your basement. A smeg to be specific. Dimensions were questionable. Could it fit under your counter? Natalie said no to that because she would never see you again.

But we thought that that would be something that you would probably enjoy in your daily life. Or we would when we're there. I don't know where it would go. Okay, so pizza oven it is. Great. Done. He's exciting. Yay!

Because then you can get your, like, good pizza dough. We literally were about to order it, but then, you know how indecisive we are, clearly. I have no idea. Never experienced. But then there's, like, the wood burning or the dual fuel, which is gas and wood. You want the dual fuel. Probably, yeah. Yeah.

Okay. We were right. Great. We will take care of it. And the good part about that is you can have pizza nights and you can make your own vegan one for Natalie, which is nice to be able to do. Okay, we're done here.

Yeah, I've always considered getting one of those. Yay! I feel really good about this. Yeah, I knew because with the John and Vinnie, like the whole thing. We had John and Vinnie's last night. You did? Did you get the spicy facie?

We didn't get pizza. I got the market salad and brashita. That's all you got? That's so weird. Well, I wanted it quick. It is so far away. It's so far away. And it's cold by the time it gets to us. Okay, okay, fair.

Cool things. Fair. Great. So now we have unveiled your present that will be coming to you. Thank you. Because we're going to ship it to you, so it wasn't going to be wrapped or anything. Anyway, we've been literally robbed. Then there was like, do you guys want an Airbnb?

We'll send you guys away for a weekend or, you know, tried to get dates from Natalie on that, too. We're like, would you guys want a weekend at a cabin or a weekend in the desert? She's probably so annoyed with podcasters texting her what to get me for good. Well, it was clear that she was not super excited to... She was sweet, though. Of course. Yay. Yay.

Okay, cool. We will officially order it now. I'm happy because we were really like, we wanted to know that you would love it. I appreciate it. Yay. But your mug is your favorite. Yes. I'll eat my pizza out of that mug.

It's pretty good. Okay. All right, guys. Well, any other takeaways? Everyone have a good holiday Apparently not I went to Texas It was great

We had a lot of good food We went to Kristen Kish's restaurant Oh my God, that's right Was it so good? Yeah, it was incredible I want to go to Austin just to go there What was your favorite? We had way too much food

So we ordered what It was us and our two friends And we ordered Stephen that played music On our theme song went to dinner with him. We ordered what we thought would be enough for the four of us, and then Kristen had apparently told them to give us more food.

Oh, gosh. So we had so much food. Did you have the kids, too? No, no. Our friends watched the kids while we went out that night. And this was, like, towards the end of our trip, and we had already been eating a lot every day. Yeah.

But it was really good. What was your favorite? Favorite dish? There was a really good butternet squash and goat cheese dish. Yum. She had these olives that I normally don't like olives that much, but it was with bread and some fancy olive oil that was really good. Yeah.

Sounds great. I love that. I love that. Always. Always hungry. That's awesome. Uchiko. It's another, it's like a sushi restaurant.

Oh. That has the best Brussels sprouts I've ever had. Really? Why? I almost got a Brussels spout tattoo. Because of that dish? Yeah. What?

But it's not your favorite vegetable. It's just because you love the dish there. That's like my favorite preparation of... How was it prepared? It's like a fried Brussels sprouts. There's like two different sauces. It's like a fish sauce, soy sauce thing. They're fried though.

Yeah. No, they're baked. I don't know. I don't know how they prepare it. Uh-uh, what? He was like, they're fried. Are they fried? No.

They're just baked. Roasted. Roasted. Yeah. Yes. So you liked it so much you were going to tattoo it on your body. Have you ever liked something so much you were going to tattoo it on your body? Like a dude's dick.

No. You know what, though? I saw someone that had a nice physique recently, a very nice manly physique. Yeah. With a tattoo that said Olivia on his chest. And I showed it to Jeff and I said, can you please do that? He'll probably will. Yeah, he said, yeah.

Yeah, I figured he would. Would you rather it be on my neck? And I said, kind of. Oh. That's back to her roots. You know what I mean? You just like, I love it. Write it under your eye.

I've seen someone has a tattoo of your face. Of my face. I know. That is next level. You imagine? What if I like didn't know? He had like a shirt on and was like a dude I hooked up with and he like takes off his shirt and such just my face.

I mean, that is the biggest compliment in the world. Oh, my God. Is it? Is it? Oh. Yeah, I was like, wait. That was actually one of my favorite compliments.

Someone ever gave me in life. We were on a first date. He goes, you know what I like about you? And I said what? And he said, you look like a tattoo that someone would get on their body. And I was like, I'm yours. It's a compliment.

It's a compliment. Rachel's like, I am. I am on someone's bat. That is the biggest compliment. That's a flex. How was your holiday? Olivia. We had to cancel Christmas Eve because my kids got sick, which sucked.

And then Christmas Day, we just stayed home. We actually had a staycation where we did absolutely nothing. And it was pure heaven. It was wonderful. No complaints. Super happy. Loved it. Got a Peloton.

Nice. Yes. The treadmill or the bike? The bike. Have you been using it? It's not here yet. Well. Oh.

I was excited. Yeah. Exciting. Mm-hmm. How's yours, Rachel? It was fine. It was great. Yeah.

Briar went skiing. I'm always in the holiday spirit, Rob. Breyer went skiing. She got an ATV. She was... Which is super cool. Absolutely. I fucking love ATVs.

Is it here? No, no. Staying there. What are we going to think we're going to like drive the ATV back? Maybe. They have snow here. It's not a snow machine. It's not a snowmobile.

Then even better. It's being better for Ellen. Do you know what an ATV is, Rob? Yes, I do. Are you sure? Have you ever driven one? The video he sent me of her... Yes, it was snowing, but it's not a snow machine.

She'll have more fun with it in the summer. Got it. What was... What was... highlight of your break. Mine was every single stand-up comedian we watched on Netflix. That was the highlight. You watched them all? That's fun. What was your guys' highlights?

We had a fun New Year's Eve. We did. We had a fun New Year's Eve. We did, right? Yeah. We ran into Abigail. We ran into Abigail on New Year's Eve, Abigail Spencer. You guys had a good New Year's Eve. We did. We had fun. We went out to dinner and we went to a party where there was no electricity. There was a power outage. So the party was pitch black. Was there anyone interesting there? Abigail Spencer.

Teresa Palmer. I haven't seen her in so long. Love her. And we saw someone we knew like a long back in the day. We went into like, yeah. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, they like went into people that we hadn't seen in a very long time. But yeah, it was out.

I think that's the first time I've been like out like that. Ever. Ever. Ever. My life. Since our early 20s. Since their early 20s. Kind of a true story.

Like a house party? It was like a house party. Yeah, like a house party. I haven't been to a house party in like a decade. Legit. No. Like maybe longer. Yeah.

Like 20 years. Did you guys both get drunk? I did not get drunk. I forgot. I was dead sober. She was with a whole sober crew. My whole crew is sober. So depressing.

No, I don't really drink. I don't like to taste alcohol. I mean, being drunk can be fun at times. but I just don't like the taste of it. So I'm a real fun time, guys. Yeah, line up. Line up, all of us. The sober posse.

Yeah. We're so fun, though. You're always fun. Yeah. We really are a good time. Yeah, we're a good time. True. Like, Leah was with us?

Good time. Leah really left an impression. There was people like, Oh, yeah. Hey, who's that? Who's that? That's right. She's amazing.

She is. She's the, I have to tell you, Even like Josh totally gets it now because I took Leah as my date to a wedding. What do you mean now? No, he always got it. But I mean, he experienced Leah in that element. You know, the different kind of thing. All the time he's like, where's Leah?

You're bringing Leah? You know? Because she's the fucking best. She's the party. She is the party and she doesn't party. So she's the fucking. But she still brings it. She brings it.

Her energy and everything. You know what? She makes everyone around her feel comfortable. Yes. And that's all anyone wants to feel comfortable. You know? I'm so awkward. Uncomfortable.

So awkward. She's so awkward. I'm so awkward. It's just, if Leah's around, you'll like me, I think. Or you'll like Leah. Or you'll definitely like Leah. All right.

Well, guys, it's been real. It has been real. We've accomplished Rob's Christmas gift. Rachel, give us something juicy to send us off. Okay. Opinion on Share, who is 76, possibly engaged, but definitely has a boyfriend who's 36 years old. I think that's great.

What does third even think about that? I just wanted to throw something out. What's the age difference? 40 years? 40 years? Good for share. I know. Great for share.

Great for share. Yeah. Hopefully she hasn't signed a pre-in-up. I mean. That's my only thought. That's your thought. Do you want to know how I met Cher? Yes, please.

You were there the night I met Cher. Okay. Do you remember going to her house? We went to her house. Yes, I do actually. We went to her house because we knew her son and I went into the kitchen to get something and in walks share. And she looks at me in her kitchen and she says, hi, sweetheart, I'm just in here to get a bagel. Oh. And I said, okay. And she cuts a bagel and toast it and I felt like starstruck. Well, yeah. But it humanized her. It humanized her. She, She just looked at me like you're just, you know, I was not with you in the kitchen. You were not, I was alone in the kitchen.

By yourself and I was getting a drink or something. They sent me into the kitchen to get a drink. I remember as being really, we like in a movie theater or something. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I remember that. And she said, hi, sweetheart.

I'm just in here to get a bagel. Like, I would tattoo that on my body. Yeah. Do you have any tattoos? No. But she's going to know. But you know what I mean? Yeah.

That is brilliant. Have you ever been Starstruck? Yeah, Larry David. Literally profusely sweating, like, had to walk the opposite direction. You watched so much curb while we were in Texas. When kids would go to bed, we just would watch Curb. It's good. The new season.

He's fucking, I love him. So much. It hurts me. You, Starstruck. Who? It'll be a musician. Was it me, Rob? Yes, it was you.

On Zoom. I don't know. I don't really get starstruck. Right, that's why it's exciting to see. If it happens, it's from a musician. Right. You can't think of one. I met Tom York outside of a movie premiere in the parking lot. I like that.

I didn't even want to talk to him, though. Yeah, because you don't want it to be really. And I don't think he really likes when people come talk to him. Yeah, I can see that. Some people do. But, I mean, he's like one of the best musicians in the world. I don't think he needs someone to come up and tell him that. He's like, I'm aware.

I don't think he enjoys that. Well, but you met him, and that is very cool. Sort of. Sort of. So, yeah, I'm down for her and her young boyfriend. Yeah. I love it. Love it.

What's the youngest age that you would date? Good question. And the only single person here in the dating scene. How young would you go? You're currently 42. I'm not 42, wrong. She's 41. Don't add a year.

Geez. I don't know. I would say, like, on paper in my mind, I'm like, I'm not dating anyone below 40, you know. Why? But I've learned in life you should be open to people, not numbers. That's one year younger than you. No, but if you. think about it. I was thinking about this. Okay. So people who are on dating apps, right? You have to put

like an age range. And I'm thinking about it. And I'm like the age, like, what do you put? Because then you're not, you might not be like meeting certain people you could potentially connect with. And like you're putting like a limit on things. But I am very limited in my mind. So for me, I would literally one year. But no, my point was I would think that. But I am learning that you just need to be open to people, and it's not a number. It's a person. It's not like an age. It's a person. Right. And I think share open my eye. There's 30-year-olds that are more mature than 45-year-olds. Absolutely. Well, my mom was seven years older than my dad. My mom was five years older than my dad. Yeah. So what's your one year about? I don't know. It was just a number in my head. That's what I'm saying,

but I've learned that numbers don't mean anything. How did you learn? I just, she read a book. I think there's so much more to a person than their age and it's really dependent on, you know, some people are old souls. Also, a lot of people go through a lot young, learn a lot young. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know what the difference is?

What I have been learning, okay? The difference is people who are willing and have done, like, work on themselves, are open to it, no matter the age, are so much more mature than someone older who hasn't. Exactly. And I think especially in this industry, I've noticed when you see someone that's gotten a lot of fame or success at a young age,

there's a lot of like rest development that happens. So there could be a 45-year-old that acts like an 18-year-old still. Completely. Right. So yes. So when I said 40 or whatever I said, that was just like, oh, in my mind, like what you think, but you don't know. That's right.

That's right. Well, I can't wait to find out. You can't wait to find out? What? Can't wait to find out. How old would you go? Oh. How old Brad Pitt?

I think he's like 57. How old is he? 57. I think he's old. That's not old. No, no, that's not old at all. I mean, I mean, what I meant was I think he's that old. Distinguished.

You think he's that age. I think he's that age. Can you look it up? No, I'm just checking my email. Brad Pitt is 59. Holy smokes. Yes. Daddy.

Yeah. That's a daddy. That's a fucking daddy. 59. Yeah, for sure. So you'd go to 59? Yes. Tuesday.

Jeff's got some Brad Pitt vibes. Thank you for saying it. He's a very good looking man. I agree. Especially in this photo. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yes. He's a man. He's got leading man vibes. He's giving leading man vibes. You know what? I feel like I I need, like, someone who gives leading man vibes. Yeah.

It's a vibe. It's a vibe. You don't have to actually be a leading man. You don't, please don't, like, whatever. But, like, please don't know. Please don't be an actor. I need a leading man. All right, guys.

Yep. Bye. Bye. That was a headgum podcast.