Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Jordana Brewster on Fast & Furious, Gestational Surrogacy, and Parenting Philosophies

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

Jordana Brewster [Fast & Furious] discusses the Fast & Furious series, her challenges with getting pregnant and having her two sons via gestational surrogacy, parenting philosophies, and much more.  In the post-segment, Rachel talks with Olivia and Rob about losing a job, following tabloid headlines about her discussing her sexuality.Broad Ideas is supported by Opti-Greens 50 from 1st Phorm. Visit 1stphorm.com/ideas. Broad Ideas is supported by Hatch. Go to hatch.co/ideas to get up to 15% off and free shipping. Broad Ideas is supported by Lume. Control Body Odor anywhere with Lume Deodorant, and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code IDEAS at lumedeodorant.com/IDEAS.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello. Hi. Hello. My friends. Hello, friends. Hi, friends. Hey, friends. Oh, man.

I miss Rob. Rob isn't around anymore. He's here right now, which is a miracle. But we're just going to give a little shout out. I'm here, guys. He made time for us. I always make time for you. I don't know what you're talking about.

Mm-hmm. Do you miss us? Of course. Okay. Carry on. Wow. Honesty. He's being earnest.

Today we have Jordana Brewster, who I love. I'm so excited that she came to talk to us today. She has Fast X coming out, part of the Fast and Furious franchise, of course. This franchise, it just keeps going and going. It's pretty awesome. Also, the likes of Vin Diesel, Jason Momoa, Michelle Rodriguez, Brie Ler. Larson, Jordana, of course, Jason Statham. I mean, there's so many amazing people in this film.

I'm excited to see it. And let's get talking to Jordana. Sometimes when inside of all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampa. on strings we'll talk about boys. Because people die.

Thanks for being here and driving out here and everything. And so it's so funny because I met you in New Orleans. You were doing a movie with Hayden. Yes. Yes, yes. And I mean, I know I've seen you over the years and stuff. And you're just always been so lovely and so kind. And I had a lot of fun in New Orleans because I was just hanging out while you guys were working.

But what an awesome city. So there's an amazing. example of somewhere. Cool to work, right? That was the summer before I had my first son. So it was like my last hurrah. Oh my God. Like in New Orleans. I shot two movies there that summer and it was so much, such a great place to shoot. It's, it was, I mean, I didn't shoot, but it was just so cool. Did you love the humidity there too? I'm happiest in humidity. Are you really? Yeah. Right. I love it, yeah. I hate how dry I get in L.A. Yeah. I mean, I just like, I hate being cold. I'm always cold. So anywhere. hot humidity or whatever. And you were born. I was born in Panama, right? And you were born.

You were born. Once you were born. Born. And how was that? Almost 43 years ago. Oh my gosh. You had your birthdays this week. Happy birthday. Thank you. Oh. Thank you. Do you love being in your 40s? I mean, I wish I had the wisdom, the foresight, the confidence that I have now back in the day. Like, it really is wasted. Yeah. Yeah. It really is. Yeah, I'm in such a better place now, like in every way possible. That's how we feel. Like, we're in our 40s as well. And that's how we always just like, you know so much.

And we all look great, by the way. You look fantastic. You're so stunning. Yeah, you are. But you're a tourist. Tourists, yeah. Aw, yes. Love our tourists.

But yeah, it's just so interesting and especially just doing this for so long. Yeah. And it's changed so much. It has. Oh, my God. It has. How has it changed for you? For me, I feel like, I feel like worked really hard to get to a certain spot, right? Where you're like, oh, no, no, you don't have to read anymore, just have a meeting. And now post-pandemic, no one's doing meetings. No one's auditioning in person. And now it's everyone puts themselves on tape. And there's no more feedback. So I'm like, there's just like, it's like, it's like, you're living in a vacuum. And you're like, wait, but like, what am I doing any of this for then? It's, it's very. Very strange. Right. So did they take that away for you guys? Like now everybody's reading? Well, I mean, unless you want to live in a vacuum and go, I'm just not going to read for or fight for anything and just being like lauddy doll and I don't because I want to, I love working. I have a lot of fun doing it. But then I have to fight really hard because oftentimes people like, oh, no, but she doesn't fit that. So I have to like prove that I can. But I just find myself fighting really hard. Right. Which I didn't anticipate. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. And it is that whole, it's so funny because Olivia, like she said, she's in Pennsylvania doing a movie. She's the only person I know that I taped her and she got the part.

That's awesome. I mean, without any, you know, but it's like you don't hear a word. You just send this in out into the universe. Just like an outer space. Get on a plane in five days. And you're like, what? Yeah. Like, it's just such a crazy thing. But so when, so obviously fast, you've been doing that. for how many years now? Like 22 years now. Is it 20? Holy shit. I was not expecting you to say that. I know.

That's insane. It is insane. Oh my God, it is insane. It's insane. Insane. Well, you were so young. I was a baby. I was 20.

20. 20. Wow. But there was a lull between like fast and furious and then when we all came back, which was Fast and Furious 4. Oh. Because Tokyo drift and then Fast and Furious. too fast, too furious was just Paul and Tyrese.

So I feel like those don't count. Yeah, they don't count. I mean, they count. They're valid. They're like standard independently. But like I wasn't a part of those. So there was like a five-year break. Got it.

Okay. But still, that's still a long time to be. Yeah. It's a long legacy to be a part of it. I feel like it's the longest running franchise of all time. I don't know if that's a fact, but I just made that up in my head. Let's just claim it. It seems like it because I don't even know.

What number is this one that's coming out? We're at 10. Ten. I mean, Vin has been in everyone. It's not like James Bond were there, where they change them up. Right. So I do think we're the longest running one. Oh, right, because James Bond, of course. Yeah. I didn't even think that. I don't know, but they switch them up. Right. Batman, they switch them up. For sure, for sure. Yeah. Wow. I just, you know, I think back because like the OC is coming up on its 20th anniversary. I know. I know. I started watching that with my nine-year-old. No, you didn't. Wait, are you serious?

Did I have to say, like, we, because Julian's like very precocious, which gets me into trouble, because I have to remember I'm talking to a kid. But we just kept commenting on all the guys had bangs the first season. Did you ever know? I was like Julian, even the dad. I was like, why, why do they all have bangs? Oh my God. But it's such a fun show. That's so funny. I do remember Ben, in particular, McKenzie and his hair was definitely. Always. Yeah. Bangs. You're so right. And that's hilarious. Is your son into it? Yeah, he was super into it to the point where I was like, I'm going to go see Rachel Belson this morning. He was like, oh, cool. But he's also into acting now.

He may want to, I know. So he's like, I'm kind of conflicted. Yeah, how do you feel about that? As long as he understands how much rejection you can face, how much effort you have to put into how, because every set you get on is like another camp, right? where it's like sometimes the vibes off. Sometimes it's not.

Sometimes you have to like isolate. Sometimes like you get along with everyone and like how to deal with that dynamic. Like I think sometimes he thinks like I can just hit the escape button on school because there's that option. Right. No, no, no. It's kind of like you still need to learn those skills in order to succeed. Right. For sure.

And it's interesting because nine. So my daughter's eight. Definitely I'm seeing some of the signs like performing and. super animated. Like she reads things and like, exclamation point, she's like acting and out, you know, and I'm like, oh no. Yeah. But, but like, you know, they're young still. So it's like time to kind of figure that out. But also wanting to support them. It's like this interesting, you know, conundrum or whatever. But it is. It's tricky. Do you find that it's appropriate the OC for your nine-year-old? Listen, it's more appropriate than the other kind of stuff he wants to watch. Like he wanted to. to watch Castaway yesterday. And like he's very into, like, he's watched all of the Harry Potter's, which are also pretty dark. For sure. I mean, it's the first season's appropriate. Like, there is that scene in Mexico where, oh yeah, she overdoses.

Yeah. Good point. Good point. She overdoses. You know, some stuff is, some stuff's a little inappropriate, but it kind of goes over his head. Right. Yeah, I think that there's that little window of where they're not super aware, so you can still, like, right. My daughter was listening in the car, that Victoria's Secret song, you know? Like, I know Victoria. And it's like talking about like, girls with big boobs and cellulite and the secret. And I'm like, is this appropriate? But she doesn't even know what they're saying. Right. So it's like if I bring attention to it, then she's wondering, why isn't this appropriate? Right. Does she go to a co-ed school? Yeah. I mean, they're all talking about, they are. I mean, I feel like if I can sit with him and watch a show, it's better than, like, I took

his iPad away because that I have no control over. Right. Because now YouTube is kind of like TikTok and he's just scrolling manically and I'm like that drives me nuts and makes me really nervous. But if we can sit down for 40 minutes at a time and I can sort of hit pause if something gets early. That makes a lot more sense because you're doing something with him. Right. Right. As opposed to them just going off and that's really scary. It is really scary. And there's like the Roblox. Do your voice? Do they play Roblox? They stopped. They stopped. Because you had them stop? Or... Julian was super into Roblox. Rowan's not. Rowan... How old Rowan? Roan's six. He's a lot more... He's like super into sports. Okay. And he can watch YouTube for like a finite amount of time and not freak out.

Julian was like getting... Julian was... There's just so, again, they're so precocious. He was getting into like chats with his classmates at like six o'clock. And I noticed when I took the iPad away and I was like, this is no longer an option, his anxiety went down. And I was like, oh, buddy, you don't, you don't want to talk to your friends. Like, once I take that away, you're cool. Wow. Yeah. Sometimes you have to give them permission to be a kid, even though they say they don't want that, but it's like they do. Yeah. I love that, right? The iPad is a thing. Oh, it really is. It's really awful. My son acts like a complete monster about it. And then we'll take it away. And then it's like, It's like taking drugs away from an addict.

Yeah. It is. And I feel like it's all or nothing. Like I then tried to get Julian the phone that can only call his grandparents, me, his dad. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I saw that. But it didn't work.

It didn't really work because I found that he was still using it as a tool. Like he was calling grandma and grandpa and being like, hey, so this Sunday, I'd love you to take me to this museum. And I was like, you're like, like he's very, very smart. so that's great, but it was still like, he was still like using it to bypass my parenting. And I was like, okay, that's gone too. Bye. That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. It is, and I've seen her son, who's seven, totally wig out, like when she takes his iPad away. And Breyer's like really, like, I give her an iPad on a plane and I kind of keep it to like, that's when you can have your iPad. But now we're friends with the Roblox, like, well, if they sleep over on the weekend and then they do it. But I don't really know.

and there's other kids that they can talk to and stuff. So it's just all the control thing. Plus the, like I think on Roblox complete strangers can talk to you. Yeah, anyone can find you. And I'm also like technologically a little bit deficient. So like I can't, the controls are constantly changing. And if you block this, then you block like every device in the house. I know.

Do they do Fortnite too? No. No, no, no, no, that one no. So last night, Elliot, myself. was making an argument for Fortnite. And I said, it's not an option. You're too young. It's not age appropriate.

So then my husband calls me, he's like, I just want to show you what he did. So he shows me his iPad. And Elliot calls me on FaceTime and goes, I'm going to screen share with you. And I was like, I don't even know how to do that. So he screens shares with me and it's facts parents should know about Roblob. I mean about Fortnite. Fortnite. And he had to be.

all this data on why he should be able to use it. And I was like, one, I'm proud of him for his mind. It's super resourceful. Yeah. And he's resourceful. And he's building a case and all that. The answer's still no, obviously. But like, I was a little bit blown away by his data. Yeah. That's amazing. Like the screen sharing thing. Yeah. Or no, that he found the fact supporting it. And he did it like an adult. I'm going to screen share with you. Like we were on like a work Zoom, you know? You know, persuasive. Briar came home in her class.

They were doing like persuasive writing. And all the kids were writing a letter to the parents on why they deserve whichever pet they wanted. Okay. And Briar came home. Thanks, teachers. No. Okay. She came home and like with this whole thing.

And her dad and I were both there when she read it to us and for a hamster. And I'm like, I don't want a fucking hamster. No. Like, I do not want a hamster. And, but the letter was so sweet and so persuasive. And Hayden was like, well, I think she should get a hamster. And I was like, dude, I do not want to. So he can get one.

I was like, I do not want to take care of a hamster. He's like, I'll get one for her, but for your house. I was like, no, that's not how it works. But anyway, it was just like this whole thing and they really are learning these skills, which I think can be good later in life, but not against your parents. No. No, I don't support that at all. Now, you both have two boys each. Seven and four. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, and nine and six. So they're three years apart. Three years. Yeah. Yeah. I, and I have one girl, so I don't know what it's like, but I do think it is a different world, like a wife, mom, that we talk about a lot. Because I think it's a different world, so to speak. George is like, yes, I'm a boy. Great.

Yeah, it is a different world. And, you know, Rachel and I were talking about your journey in becoming a mother and how you've been really open. And it's really beautiful to be able to share different stories of how women become mothers. And I love that you're putting your voice out for women that go through all different types of journeys with it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, it was really nice because after I did, a lot of women reached out to me and they were like,

I'm starting this process. What do you suggest or do you have any tips? And it was really nice to be able to give them like my take, even though, you know, my journey was my journey and I had very specific, it went down a very specific route. But it was really nice to be able to share. Yeah. But I think, you know, and what we do hear a lot is just giving voice to different things that can be so relatable. And people realize like, oh, like everyone goes through. these different things. And interestingly, I mean, I don't know whether you, I won't say what neighborhood were in, but when I was driving down here, I was like, oh my God, because I, each boy was at each, sounds so weird. I went to different IVF clinics, basically, because the first time

with Julian, it was relatively easy harvesting a healthy embryo. And then the second time around, it was like, oh, my God, like it was nearly impossible. And then there's this guy in where you live. That's like the expert on difficult cases. And I would do the drive like three times a week at some point. No way. And I was just like, wow, I feel like we were sold this bullshit, frankly, that it gets easy. You know what I mean? Or that life is supposed to be easy.

But it was like it was very tough to get pregnant. And it's hard as a mom now because there's always something going on with the boys. Where I'm like, oh, my God, they're in trouble at school. Or oh, my God, I've got to figure this thing out now. or it definitely does feel like playing whackamol. But it was like a nice reminder of, no, this shouldn't be easy. Like that's just kind of something we're sold. That's not true.

Yeah. And I was reading, you know, because you have spoken so openly about it that it was really easy for your mom to get pregnant. She was so young too. Like I was, I guess I chose at 30. And then she was probably like 23. Right. Yeah. So that's young.

That's definitely. I mean, probably that's part of it. A little easier. But how long did it take you to come to the decision to go the route of gestational surrogacy? It took me, I knew I would have to because there was a medical component involved. But I didn't realize all the fertility stuff that was going to be factored in. I thought it was actually going to be really easy to harvest. Got it, the egg and have healthy embryos.

And then it was like, oh, no, actually, this is going to be quite the journey. And then I just remember, like, trying, you know, like going to an acupuncturist and then trying, like, stress relief. And then trying and then going, okay, no, we're just going to go all out, like, drugs at this point. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then also sometimes you don't factor in, like, is it the dude? Like, we look so much at the girls that never, ever, ever, ever.

do we go, oh, what can he do? Right. Because sometimes they don't have strong swimmers. And that depends on what doctor you see. I remember at one point, I was crazy. And I was like, I'm going to have a third. Or at one point I thought that my husband, my current husband and I were thinking we have a kid, which we absolutely don't want to. We're like, no way. But depending on like what you see, a fertility doctor and who you see, they have a different take on things. which is, that's crazy. Great, but also kind of scary at the same time. Right.

That's so interesting. Like, you don't, I didn't realize there's so many different. Yeah. There's so many different factors. So I think it's great that women are freezing their eggs early on. Right. Yeah. But it's still not a guarantee.

Like, it's still such a journey to get there. And it's so much to put your body through and it's a lot. It's expensive and there's all these factors, right? And it's also like, it's just for someone who loves control and I love control. Like I love knowing, like, what the schedule is going to be, like, what does the year look like? What can I? Wow. And it comes up a lot in parenting, too. Like, I have a lot of Julian's very similar to me. And I often, like, this weekend, I spend a great part of my weekend, like, getting him to, like, get his head around, like, this math test that he, and I'm like, sometimes I just step away completely. And sometimes I just get in there and I'm like, Julian, sit down. No TV until you get this. Right.

But you just, they're like, oh, we're going to measure your follicles this day. And then, and I was just like, you do to make the follicles perfect. That was my attitude. And you can't. Right. Just relax. And you're like, you're like, fuck you. Yeah, no, a thousand percent.

Right. It's so hard. It's hard to relinquish control. Yeah. It is. Just relax and give up coffee. Give up coffee. Oh, you're like, you're really fucking with me now.

It was like give up coffee. avoid stress. And like it was so. And then of course with surrogacy, I was my first gestational surrogate I loved and we were in contact with each other a ton. But you can't be like, hey, could you only eat this way? Or could you only?

So that's interesting. So someone who loves control, how were you able to relinquish that control? I really put just a completely poke my trust in her and just had to because that can't feel good either if you're carrying someone's baby and they're like, hey, like, oh my God. It's like the most annoying mother-in-law ever, like just a thousand percent. No, but it's true. That's so interesting to, I haven't ever thought about that because, you know, she's carrying your embryo and yeah, what goes into that.

But so what was that process like, like picking the person? Well, when I did it, it was, I started the process like 10. years ago. So it was very new and the agencies weren't quite as, it wasn't as big in industry as it is now, although I wonder now what's going to happen. I mean, I'm so lucky I did it when I did because I feel like it's going to change now with the laws changing. But I researched the agencies and some were very like, look at the headshot and, you know, look at this bio. And it was almost like online dating. And I was put off by that. And then I found an agency where, Everyone who worked at the agency had experience with gestational surrogacy. They had either been one or they had used gestational surrogacy, so I felt like they would get it.

And when I spoke to the head of the agency, she said, I know the perfect person for you. And she had kids, her own kids, she had gone through gestational surrogacy, which was very important to me. Because I felt like I was just so nervous that she would bond with a baby and then that would get complicated. Yeah. But had she already gone through it, so I wasn't nervous about that. that and then we just communicated a ton. Yeah. And the great part was that I was filming Dallas and I was in Texas and she lived in Dallas. So there were, there was just, and my doctor was from Dallas, even though he was based in L.A. So I just felt like there were all these signs. So that's how I

found her. Yeah. But it's a beautiful story. Like just that journey and all the kismet things like you said that came together. Totally. So then with your second son, it was a different surrogate. It was a different surrogate. It wasn't intentional. It's just that my former surrogate was very, very fertile and she got pregnant with her own child. We were trying. And so then we had to go with someone else. And it was, she helped. She was there throughout the process and she was sort of coaching. But it was different. It was someone who was doing it for the first time. And I think it was a different experience for sure. It was great. Yeah. But it was just, it was a little different. Yeah. Broad Ideas is supported by Opta Green. 50 from first form. Opta Greens 50 is a precisely formulated green superfood powder meant for

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That's hatch.co slash ideas. It's the same as having pregnancies. Each pregnancy is different. Totally. And they come in, like my first pregnancy was great. Second pregnancy was horrible. Like, you never know. Wow.

I'm both boys. Yeah. Yeah. I found that I was, on a personal level, I was way more relaxed because with my first one, I was like reading all the books. And I had this idea that I was going to be like really like this chill mom who followed. Oh my God. I thought I was going to follow. What's that thing where they only play with wooden blocks? Oh yeah. The monosory or the. Yeah. And I just had all these expectations for what motherhood would be like because I meditated. But I didn't like having a baby sent my nervous system into overdrive. And I became like this anxious. I mean, I mean, I didn't become. I just reverted back into like my, because it's really hard to juggle career.

And I was very, my critical brain like went into overdrive with having Julian. But then with Rowan, I was like, oh, okay, I know what this is like. And I just enjoyed it more. So I was, and I was home. I was in L.A. I wasn't like on set. And I also didn't, I felt so weird about the whole thing that I didn't. tell anyone that I was expecting a baby. So they were like, once I did tell everyone,

they're like, we're going to have a baby shower. And I was like, I don't deserve one because yeah, it was, it was sad. I was so self-critical about how it was happening and I didn't fully like, own it. And I, in retrospect, I'm like, that's bullshit. I shouldn't have done that. I'm happy that you've come to that now. Because I also, you were saying, like, you didn't give yourself permission to take maternity leave. Is that right? It was the same kind of thought process. Same kind of thought process. But I think it's all. also that toxic thought process that actresses feel where we're like, we don't, it's like feast or famine. We don't know, like, how could I not take the job? Like, I don't know what's

around the corner. Right. Yeah, it's such a hard thing, you know. And, but just that you were so, you know, it just makes me so, like, sad that you bring yourself to be like, I don't deserve a baby shower, you know, the time off or whatever. But I feel like we are so hard on ourselves and the judgment and whatever else. But it sounds like you really have come through it. I'm a different perspective. In our 40s. In our 40s. And I've also like my gestational surrogate used to say like, oh my gosh, I'm not doing the hard work is having them. Like raising them. And I think I'm like, oh yeah, I'm really earning my strike. A thousand percent because the baby's born, you're in. You know? That's definitely the hardest part.

Being a parent is hard. It's really hard. It's so hard. And did you experience any postpartum? Because I know that women, we've talked to women that have experienced it just in the sense of like, whether it's postpartum anxiety or depression, I don't personally think it needs to be attached to your physical hormones. It's like kind of this mourning of your old life and accepting this new life that you're now responsible for. and it does change your nervous system. Did you experience any of that?

Well, it did change my nervous system. I don't think I experienced postpartum, but I was definitely, gosh, it was also Dallas in the winter. So I wasn't allowed to like, because of the flu season, I wasn't allowed to bring him to baby groups or I didn't find my people.

And then when I went back to L.A., it was very, I don't know if you guys have found this at all, but I found like all the mommies. I felt like anytime I went to a mommy group, I felt like, oh my God, these girls hate me because I had a gestational surrogate and I'm an actress and they're judging me. And I just felt like an outsider. So I always felt like I don't belong in this group. Like imposter syndrome sort of. Yeah, I totally felt that way. And now, like with my sons, friends, moms, like I have people that are my people. And it just takes a long time.

And I feel like it's very specific to American culture because of the shows we watch, because of the books we read. Like if you think about bringing up baby, I think that's what it's called. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the French have a different version of what it's like to bring up children and you can be fallible. Or if you watch, my gosh, what was that? to show with the two sisters. She's so brilliant. She's a comedian.

Oh. Some people have a more realistic version of what motherhood is and it doesn't encompass their whole life. Whereas for us, we're supposed to be like, we're either the whores that are the worst moms or we're like, perfect moms who go to every soccer game with all the snacks. And there's no in between. It's the same thing happens with Instagram. Like when you're scrolling and you're like.

Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I mean, I can imagine. It's either you're the exhausted mom who like, uh, or you're the best mom. And it's just like there's no, there's no room for gray. And I've actually, this is like an area I'd love to explore with like TV or movies where I think there's room for like, guys, let's show like. Fleshman's in Trouble did that a little bit. Oh my God.

Love that show. Like Claire Dane's Breakdown or I think they did a really good job of like, no, you can you have permission to like not love every single second. You know? I feel like it's just not in the conversation enough. Yeah, it's just, it's really shining a light on all of it because there's so many areas. And it can be really hard. But I haven't finished Fleischman's actually. Oh my God. I was watched the first like three maybe. It is. And I love how they flipped it. Like at first, you were kind of like upset with Claire Daines. You're like, why would she? And then I don't want to ruin it for pieces.

She's so good. Now I know what happens. George. Thanks. I'm kidding. Yeah, George. It's a new one. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm kidding. But yeah. It's really good. But any of those shows that really good. But any of those shows that really. I haven't seen working moms. Weren't you saying, Olivia, that that one... I love it. That one's British, right?

Is that the British one? No, it's Canadian. Oh. It's not American. It's not American. No, but I will. I'll see it. It's really funny.

But I think motherhood... Have you heard that poem, Welcome to Holland? No. Oh, yeah. That one is... Gosh. Cailin's favorite. Please look it up today.

Because someone... Actually, Rachel's sister-in-law gave it to me when my son was born because he was born with all kinds of health issues. And it's this poem about, hey, it's basically like your plane went to the wrong place. It wasn't where you thought you were going. Right. You're here. Like, look at the tulips.

Look at the. And it's basically welcome to Holland. Like, you were going to Paris, but you ended up in Holland. And I think that encompasses motherhood. that none of us saw, at least the three of us right now, I don't think any of us saw our lives the way they went. Right. Like me having a child that had special needs,

you going through surrogacy, Rachel, you know, in a co-parenting situation, you think, oh, I'm going to get married, I'm going to have kids, and it's going to be just like everyone portrays it. Right. And then you get there and you're like, oh, shit. Yeah. This is not what I saw coming. Yeah. Well, that's the same for you, right? Because you're remarried. You had your children with your first husband. And my current husband has four. What? It does. How old? What's the age range? The age range is 17 to seven. And it's different. Mason is more involved in parenting my sons. And he's awesome. Like I actually shifted a lot of my parenting through his eyes. But yeah, co-parenting with my ex.

can be really challenging because different styles. And I'm like, dude, we need to have the same rules, like when they're with you on the weekends. Like, please don't cancel all the activities. I don't know for this. But yeah, it's like it's a very, it's complicated. It's hard. Right. Yeah, because when it's different households, different rules or whatever it is and different ideas and that can be challenging for sure. But you have four stepchildren and the youngest is seven. And so how do your boys do with their newfound step siblings? Or not new. I don't know how long it's been.

It all went down during the pandemic. So it was really, and it was funny, like the Welcome to Holland metaphor is really perfect for this too. Because I thought like, we're going to be like the Brady bunch and it's going to be like, and they're all going to love each other. Right. And I didn't take into account like, oh, wait, your Papa Baird, your biological. kids and when they're fighting like you go on your side i go on my like it it's like a whole different thing um but they all get along pretty well which is awesome and it's kind of beautiful because my julian really looks up to harry who's like this like really really smart really great the 17 year old

he's awesome and so they just have a great role model that's so cool in their stepbrother And what's the, like, percentage of time? Like, are all the kids in your one house a lot of the time together? No, no, they're not. It's mainly, like, sometimes in the summers, like, sometimes weekends. Because he's based in San Francisco and some of the kids are on boarding schools. So it's not super. Wait, your husband now is based in San Francisco?

No. Yeah. Yes. Oh. He goes San Francisco, L.A. Got it. And then, yeah. But it works out because it's like, we go and we go off.

Yeah. Got it. Sorry for it's two. No, no, no, no. It's all good. It's all good. Yeah, but yeah, the co-parenting thing is a thing, you know, and I respect that you've done it and with your blended family and all of it. I mean, I feel like that's a lot to juggle. I think it's hard for someone who likes structure. Like, I don't know what you do, but it's like I always want to impose a system on something and sometimes you can't. Like, you have to be flexible. But I think my lawyer was suggesting someone who helps you with the kid stuff. Oh, okay. And I was like, no, I don't. I don't want that. I just want to sort of figure it out. But then when it comes to like, because with my ex, he's a producer. So sometimes he's in town. Sometimes he's not. And so we can't have like a fixed right schedule where everything's set. But that's also what my kids need. Yeah. So yeah, it's complicated. It is complicated. Yeah. We don't have any sort of traditional schedule either. No. You can't. No. Yeah. Because just the way it goes. You don't know where, you know, whoever's going to be. But I think, you know, because. You know, communicating is huge and it's it's I'm just like thinking about like how your husband splits his time between the sandwich is going L.A. I kind of think so I have this whole new belief system and

theory okay and I've said this before because I'd always be like um like Hayden's older sister her husband is a um captain of a boat and he spends on it's not expecting you to say boat that's no it's rad like he's amazing yeah it's so cool and he's awesome and he's awesome and you know, their whole relationship has been like he'll be two months in town, two months on the boat. Yeah. And I would always be like, how do you have a relationship? And as I've gotten older, I'm like, oh, this is why you have a lasting relationship. Yeah.

You know. Yeah, they have one kid. They have one daughter. But yeah. And like when the kid was younger, like they could go be on the boat with him and whatever. But it's just interesting because I'm like, oh, I feel like that actually is maybe the, not the, obviously, there's successful marriages and relationships. I don't think it's the key. Because in my first marriage, we...

Oh, you spent a lot of time apart. A lot of time apart. Got it. And I was home a lot with the kids and he was on the road and that didn't work at all. So I feel like this is so different for me because I see him a ton. And I start spiraling when I'm like, wait, wait, wait, there's like two weeks on the schedule where we don't see each other at all. So this feels like a lot to me because we see each other basically every week because he also, sometimes, doesn't have his kids on like Wednesday and Thursday and so he'll come back.

Right. And we figure it out. But yeah. So I think you do need to be there with each other. Yeah. Oh, no. For sure you do. I make it sound like the only way I'm going to be in a relationship is if I never seen.

But you know it's like the secret of divorce, which is amazing time away from your kids with each other. Like that I never knew. Secret to divorce. That's so interesting. No, the secret to like a happy marriage post. Like when people have kids after divorce. I'm like, wait, but that means you're with the kids like 24-7. You don't get a break.

You don't get a break. Because when we have like a weekend where it's just nice, it's- You get time together. Yeah, that's amazing. I know. It's so funny. I have heard that. Yeah, but you always say to me, like when I have like a night and I'm like, well, you know,

Ryers not here. I'm in bed, like, binging love is blind or whatever. It's so relaxing. You know, and she's like, I've never thought about it hurts. Or when you're working, do you really feel like you're working? Like, I know, it's like a drinking little secret. it sometimes when I'm like when I was in Puerto Rico I was like oh my god like my stress level just went down even though I was on a said I had all these lines and blah blah blah I was like this is

nothing compared to being home right because like you're and I was talking to Olivia about it before she left I'm like I know you're like anxious you're going to leave the boys and it's real I'm like but once you get there oh my god have your alone time you're going to be like oh my god like she binged SVU I think for 12 hours straight or something I don't I don't really But you know what I found that I'm doing that I find really peculiar? Breathing? No, I'm kidding. Yeah, breathing.

No, I still do everything like they're here. Like when I go to place, like, I put my Advil down. And it's like I have to make sure to put it up so no one can get it. Or I drop something, you know. Oh, that's funny. Programmed to always be looking out for the dangers for them. And I keep reminding myself like, you're alone. Yeah.

You can put your Advil wherever you want. Right. I know. We're all programmed. You know, it's hard to shake that. My biggest fear is like the pot gummies that are around because they look like candy. They do. It terrifies me that, I mean, I can't. It gives me such anxiety. You need to get like the little portable safes. Portable safes. That was something. So when Mason came into the picture, he was like, what are you doing? This house is like a mad house. And then he had all these hacks that have made me. my life so much. So we put the, well, we have one for that because once the dogs got into that, and that was like a disaster. But also remote controls. So you're not fighting over remote controls. iPads go in the safe. Oh my gosh. And so you're just like, you're like until you do the hour of homework, we're not opening the remote control's gone. Wow. I love that. Halloween candy. That's all in the safe. It's all in the safe. That is so smart. Not the same same. Right. You're like the candy and iPad. Yeah, we have three. You have three saves. So this was a newly introduced thing. Yeah, it's amazing. That is, well, I guess he's had experience with the 17-year-old. Yeah. That's really funny. I know. I hide the candy up top of the fridge. I was hiding stuff, but then I was forgetting. I'd forget. Right. Like where I put. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because you don't remember and you're like, well, who's going to find it? Yeah. That's a very brilliant. I forget everything except for where I put the candy.

That I remember. She doesn't mess with her seize candy in particular. Really? Yeah? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She gets real. Like, her husband will eat some of hers and she just...

Seas candy. I love, like, just because it was just Easter, they're making now, like, fruity pebbles in chocolate. What? I've had it. I had it. You had it? You love it? It's, like, crunchy. It's like rice crispy's in it.

Yes. It's like crunch bar, but, like, fruity? Yeah. Yes. And it's white chocolate. It's so good. Oh, my God. I have a really thing, like if there's anything new and I see it candy-wise, gum-wise, whatever, I have to try it.

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people were affected by it. And I think that was a reflection of just what a good, pure person he was. Yeah. And so I just want more than anything for his legacy to continue through the Paul Walker Foundation. And I love that Meadow is a part of it as well. And so, yeah, Brandon and I and Meadow, we're all just figuring out how to keep it going, how to keep the legacy going. And yeah, so it's something. And so right now we have a giveaway where we're trying to get everyone to buy tickets or raffle tickets so then they can have an opportunity to go to the premiere for FastX in Rome. I saw that in Rome. Yeah, I know. It'll be really fun. I want to enter. Me too. We're really good friends with Brandon and Jessica. Yeah, we know Brandon really well. By the way, they're the best parents. I talk about awesome people, awesome parents. Like, yeah,

they're amazing. We've been friends with them for like 20 years. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, Brandon's something crazy like that. He's very cool. Very cool. Yeah. So I think that's awesome, though, to keep it going. And yeah, I mean, a premiere in Rome doesn't sound like either. I feel be really fun. I'm trying to find my dress for it. You are? I haven't hit on it yet. Really? Yeah. You have. You're working with someone. I'm working with. Yeah. I love my stylist, Katie Bofshever. And she's super, because we had a fitting and we tried on a bunch of, but like I, 48 hours later, I was like, Katie, I don't think that's it. She's like, I totally agree with you. I was thinking the exact same thing. Aw. Yeah. On the same page. On the same page. That's nice. That's also like ruminating on something which I tend to do. And it's like for two days. Then I'm like, I don't. I need something else. Totally. If you're obsessing about it, there's something, right? Yeah. There's something about it. I obsess over too much though.

Same. Yes, George. Oh. No, agree. Same. George's raising his hand. Rumination CEO over here. I know. I know. It's so hard. But I'm really excited for this next installment. And you also went to Yale, which I think, Yale. Yeah, right? That's amazing. Which is amazing.

Which I can't even wrap my head around. Like, I could barely do community college. But I think it's so awesome and respectful. And I think that's- Thank you. Were you acting before? And then you, like, stopped and went to Yale. Yeah, I started at 15 on a soap opera.

And that's like when I started doing really well at school. Because then I shifted to from Convent of the Sacred Heart to professional children. school in New York. It was a really great system where they were like, you don't have to have the paper in by Tuesday, but as long as you have it in by the end of the week, given your work schedule. And so I just had more autonomy and it allowed me to believe in myself more, which I think is really, really important. Absolutely. Clearly. But but yeah, then I, so I did the soap for three years. Then I got the faculty, got into Yale, deferred for a year because I had some cool opportunities. but I knew that once I got in,

like I didn't have the faith in myself to like drop out and then come back. I was like, no, no, I'm in. I've got this. So then I graduated. Wow. What did you study? Like, what was your major?

English. I love reading. Oh my God, cool. So does Rachel. Rachel loves to read. I do. I mean, I wish I read more, but I do love it. Well, it's hard, right?

Right. Finding the time. Yeah, it's hard to, I like reading like during the day. It's really hard to read at like 830. I'm like, oh, yeah, because it's, Yeah, it makes you follow. Yeah, right out. I've done it where I've been on a plane.

What did you say? Especially with the gummies. You can't read after a gummy. Nope. Do you read like cheesy books, too, or just like super like? No, I like really good books. Like, what are you reading? Like, right now I'm reading this book by Paul Auster.

Okay. That's really, really good. My dad has really good recommendations. So I bug my dad for recommendations and then my college roommate who works at the London review of books. she'll just recommend stuff. You went to yell with her. He did.

Yeah. She probably. Of course. You're like, yes, at the London Review of books. She's awesome. Yeah. That I like, I like dense stuff. What do you like?

Yeah. I mean, I do a mixture. But like if I want mindless, you know, especially like on the plane with my kid and I'll just like cram a book because you have that dedicated time. Yeah. They're on their iPad and you can read. I'll usually go for more just entertaining. But does she like reading?

So here's what's interesting. there's some kind of block with her. And she can read, but she's like not wanting to. And I think she's feeling insecure about it. And she's really good at math, which is not me. I don't know where she gets that. But she's kind of like, there's different groups in her school and like levels. And she's just, she's at her grade level, but there's kids in her school that are like, you know, advanced.

So she's struggling a little bit with it. And it makes me sad. But I think she'll catch up. It bumps me out too. Yeah. She can definitely read. She's definitely a grade level. But it's still this thing you feel as a parent.

You're like, you know, it's just always just constant stress. Yeah. Or you want them to be able, like, I want Julian to be able to, like, escape in a book and feel that. Yeah. Sense of, like, peace and, and, and, and, but he's similar. He, like, resist. And I'm like, hey, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, let's not argue about it for 20 minutes. Just like get it done. Yeah. And he'd rather fight me. And yet,

like, because of this acting class yesterday, he's like, let's read the scene mom. And I was like, okay. And like, he's reading no problem. And I'm like, well, interesting. But that's the same thing with my daughter. It's because it's their homework is like, you have to do 20 minutes a night. So she feels like it's homework and she has to do it. But she resists it. But then she just has a book. She took it with her to school this morning. Was reading the whole way to school. Oh, that's awesome. I know, which is a rarity. But like she did. And it was just interesting. when you put it in a different way that they're more open to it. Right.

But that's good parenting and good teaching. Like I remember I had one great teacher who I was struggling in school and he sat me down. He's like, what interests you? And I said, I want to act. And so he changed my whole curriculum for the year and had me only read plays and write about plays. And it was the first A I'd ever gotten because I resist. I was dyslexic and resisted it.

But because I liked the acting aspect like your son, I could retain the information, but I couldn't the other way. So it's kind of like meeting them where they're at and being like, what interests you and starting there and that's where they fall in love. Yeah. Not trying to force them into, you know, falling. You know? I live here.

She's so smart. What's your favorite book, Jordana? I know that's a hard question, but I'm curious now. Well, our question was, if you could only read one book for the rest of life, what would it be? That's literally it. And then I want to hear yours. If I could only read one book for the rest of my life, I mean, it would be like maybe to the lighthouse by Virginia Woolf or Paradise Lost by Milton, like something really where you can just keep breeding it and reading it and reading it and like analyzing it. Have you read it like some of your favorites over again to like get a new perception of it?

No. Yeah. Paradise Law. But I will. Probably a hard one to reread. Yeah. No, but I should. Some days I want to and then I start and I'm like, but I, yeah.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's hard to pick. But I feel like those are really good. I don't know that I can pick one. Mine would be like, uh. Not Paradise Lost? Yeah, I don't know. I love that, though.

What movie would depict your life? She's like fast and furious. Literally. Gosh, what movie would do? I love, I love comedies. I love stepbrothers. Oh, my gosh. But like, it wouldn't depict my life, but like.

But our other question was if there was one movie that you could live in, which would it be? Do you feel like it's stepbrothers? I feel like, yeah. It's a tough question. Or like, Anchorman. Or Anchorman. I would love if you were like, that depicts my life. But maybe like, I don't know, I remember like never-ending story and a train and like just,

I feel like something like that where it's just everything's like the challenges just keep coming up in every decade and you have to sort of like figure out. Okay, how are we going to slay this dragon? I love that. Yeah. Wait, that's so good. Thank you. Man, that's a good answer. Very beautiful.

Well, she went to Yale, Rachel. She went to Yale. The Yale is showing. Yeah, community college over here. I'm like, well, what do you find unforgivable? Ooh. You know what I, I, what really makes me bad is laziness. Oh.

I don't like, and again with like, it's something I have a lot of trouble with with, in like parenting. I'm like, dude, like I know you can do it. So like, let's cut it out with the lazy. Because I can, I can even forget. give someone that like tells a white lie or that like is bitchy or mean-spirited one day because I'm like, we all have our days. But like to just be like lazy and entitled is like the worst. Entitled is the worst. The worst. I can't with that. But I feel like they kind of go hand in hand

sometimes where it's like, no, I don't need to do that because I, you know, I deserve this. And it's like, what? Oh, uh-uh. Yeah. Trust me. Have you found you've come across that a lot in your professional life. I have found that things used to be a certain way in the industry and it's shifting. And sometimes I can't tell whether like we're getting older and like every generation does this where they're like, you know, back in the day. But I feel like because of TikTok and influencers and like it's just shifting so fast that I'm like, wait, what? What? Like, what's happening? Right. It's just. Right. Different. Yeah. For sure. How do you feel about social media and as far as your kids go?

Well, as far as my kids go. And then you as well. But as far as I go, I'm trying to get better at it and like I'm trying to empower myself instead of feeling like a victim to it. Because sometimes I do. Sometimes I'm just like, fuck this. Like I give up. I'm not going to try anymore. But then sometimes I'm like, oh, no, I'm going to like. work with someone I like who can, like, shoot content and I can figure this out in a better way. Right. Because I feel like we all have to figure it out at some point because it's where we're going. With my kids, no way. Yeah. Because I think, yeah, I know. I mean, I guess they have to have cell phones when when they're like 13?

I was just talking about this, you know, in my dream world, I'm like 16, but that's not realistic. Right. then we can implant little tractors on them. Yeah, for sure. Because it is important for that. I will say, like, Mason can see, like, oh, my kids here because they're tracking their phones. Right. Which is, by the way, that's great.

Thank God our parents didn't have it when we were growing up. I know. I mean, imagine if they could track everywhere. I grew up in the city in New York. In Manhattan. So my mom would be like, what are you doing at the bungalow? A man. Seriously, like, our kids are fucked.

They are. You know? They are. But, yeah, I agree with you. on that stuff and being able to get a hold of us. Like if they're, yeah, that's super important. Because, again, like, kids are savvy. Then they're reading message boards.

Then they're Googling, I mean, all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's scary. How old were you when you got your first cell phone? Well, it was probably like when they were invented. They weren't smart phones. I had the clear phone, like that, you know, I had the home phone that was clear. Oh, for sure.

Absolutely. And then you couldn't avoid people. You couldn't, like, ignore a call. You had to like, like, I would feel nauseous when someone was calling me. Oh my God. Oh, my God. That's the same way. That's so, Rachel.

Yes. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Oh, my God. Yeah, I don't even know when cell phones. I know when I was 16, my dad put a car phone in my car. Oh, my gosh.

Just in case of emergencies. And it was like an actual car. You started driving at 16? I did. That's amazing. Yeah. Well, I wasn't in New York. You know, I grew up here.

So it's probably different I would imagine. But, yeah, I was on it because I was like, I want, you know. I find kids. want their license anymore. They don't. Because at Uber and stuff now. Well, they don't. You're right. There's so many kids are like 18 and they're like, okay, maybe I'll get it now or whatever. But I think it's, I don't think it's a bad thing for them to be older than driving. I don't want my kids to drive. I don't either. Ever, you don't ever want them to drive. I mean, eventually, but like, you're like 32. No. No. Cell phone at 13 and then, I guess, driving later.

I would love, I would love for kids to like reject because also what's happening to our attention span. Right. Sometimes I feel like my nervous system. is like complete, like I'm going to have like a nervous breakdown and then I'm like, wait, I need to like turn everything off. Right. And chill. And I feel like for them, it's like to always be around people and then always be accessible and always be, it's like they have to be comfortable with themselves and being quiet. And I kind of like the idea. You know, some people are buying, they're called dumb phones or like the old school phones.

Yeah, I've heard of that. What do you mean? Like a flip phone? Yeah. Like I would love kids to. So it doesn't have all the apps and everything on, just texting. Well, they do make phones for kids that don't have apps or anything. It's just.

But I would love, like, teenagers to go, you know what? I don't want all this stuff. Right. Let's go back. Yeah. How do we go back to that? Yeah. I think that would be cool.

Their brains are still forming and stuff at that age. Yeah. So when they're on social media and it's like warping the perception of what beauty standards are and stuff. But is it just social media or is it also just the constant, like it's just so much, what's that word? Um, stimulus. Yeah, it's so much stimulation because it's like five seconds, five seconds, two seconds. And then they can choose like, not this, not this, not this, yes, this, for two seconds. And then I'm going to switch to this.

And it's like, what? That's not the way the world works. No, it's not. I feel it happening to me too. And I, you know what I mean? And my brain's already developed. What? Just that overstimulation where like can't.

Yeah. And then you get to a coffee shop and you're like, wait, there's a line. That's exactly. It's the nervous system, though. Yeah. It gets fried out. For sure. It does.

I know. I just, I don't like how, like, Breyer can, like, work a phone or an iPad, like, way better than I can. It's so weird. But I do like that she's learning how to type on a keyboard. She's in second grade, and they're showing them, like, and I didn't learn that until I was much older. Middle school for me. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Anyway. What is your love language, do you know? Do you mean, like, how I feel appreciated? Yes, or how I show? Or both? Oh, yeah, both. We like both. So we've actually figured this out because we talk about it a lot.

I love that my husband's like sensitive and evolved. And so my love language is like him picking me up, him making space for me, him writing me notes. Gifts. But that's like all of the love language work for me. It's kind of all of the love language. It just compliments. Like, right.

Yeah. Time. time like when I freaked out about not being together and he was like okay I'm gonna come on part of because we have you know kids that have different spring grace he was like I'm gonna come on part of yours and I was like oh like instantly I felt so much better so I kind of have all of them all of them I mean I think all of them is a good thing and then that's also you know your value and what you like deserve you know with a little of everything totally yeah we always do the test I get the same one that mine is what's your words of affirmation right is that what I always get Lou yeah

Yeah. I like access service. Like if my husband puts away the dishes. That's awesome. Like things like that, like little things that are going to help my day in any way, letting me sleep in or access service or my big cheese. Do you know yours, George? My love language?

Yeah. Have you taken the test? No, I haven't even taken the test. All right. We're going to do the test. Yeah, I want to hear it. something. What would be your death row last meal? Cacha pepper pasta. Cacha bread. Yum. And then what dessert? I love frozen yogurt. You're like, I need dessert with this meal. Like,

you're going for sure. For sure. A giant martini. Okay. And frozen yogurt. I love it. Do you get toppings? Yeah. What are your topping? I love sprinkles. I love sprinkles. Do you call them jimmies or sprinkles? sprinkles. Yeah. Well, you said it. Yeah. Wait, what, like a brand of frozen yogurt? No, like, I used to go to the Big Chill nonstop. Iconic.

It's so good. But then it was too far away, and they changed their hours during the pandemic. And I was like, forget it. So now I go to the yogurt shop on the west side. That one. Vanilla custard is my jam or chocolate custard. I'm a vanilla person. I love vanilla.

It's really good. It's super good. I love on the East Coast. When we vacation, they call it frozen custard. They don't call it. Oh, yeah. Interesting. I know.

What kind of pasta is? did you say? Cachapepe. It's basically just olive oil, parmesan. A lot of pepper. Sometimes there's a much pepper.

Oh, it's so good. Yeah, sometimes they really over it. I don't like it with the egg. I don't like, yeah, no, with you. But I love that that from home or a restaurant. At a restaurant. Is there a restaurant specific one that you need? Yeah, Triluna, Triluna and Montecito is that they have the best one.

It's so. I think I'm really hungry. I know. I'm like, I'm like, yeah. The best martini. It's really good. Well, then you're just getting your last meal there. That'll probably view my birthday meal this week.

Oh, you're going to go out there? Oh, that's so nice. Well, this will air after, so no one will know your favorite. So you're good. Oh, that's so nice. What's your favorite Tom Hanks movie? Ooh. He's so brilliant.

It was funny because I knew we had this question. You're like, Julian wanted to watch Castaway. He's like, do you think I'd be freight? And I'd be like, well, it's a little disturbing. You're like, Joe versus the volcano, though. It's similar, but different. I mean, I'd have to say forest go. Yeah.

You know, I haven't seen that in so. I haven't either. But that's, I like that choice. Me, Tom Hanks. What's the, oh, God. Of course, I didn't even think of my answer. I mean, I think, I thought, big, right? Oh, my God.

Big is great. Big is great. Sleeps in Seattle. I haven't seen it like a million times, but I do. That thing you do, underrated, tall things, movie. You've seen that one. Of course. Have you seen that?

Yeah. Were they like in the band? Yeah. Jonathan Shake is in it? Yes. Yes. Yes. You're right.

And I also like, um, Joe versus the volcano. Sorry. He's been in so many. It's a question. I know. That's a good question. He's so good. Yeah.

Yeah. There's literally a million. Okay. Um, what can you say at the dinner table that you can, also stay in bed. I like your face. It's a good question. What?

I said eat it. Yeah. Yes. That was brilliant. I called me. I caught. Oh, my God. I didn't think of an answer for that either.

Oh, my God. You just absolutely. Well, now I need to hear your answer. More, please. I was, Olivia, I was going to say more. That's really good. That's way more gentle. Oh, I love that you went for it.

Oh, my God. Oh, no, because we've been going a little gentle on you. We've gone to happy that you just. Normally, like, we will fully go there with all of the things, but we were just like, we're going to talk about. She's a Yale graduate. We couldn't ask her like two ratchet of questions. I'm sorry.

She just said eat it. Okay, George. We're getting ratchet vibes. We're good here. We are good here. That's really funny. More please is good, too. Rachel's like, past the piece.

Pass the piece. I'm like, fill her up. Wait, no, you have to answer too. Color up is good, right? I don't want to be filled. I don't, I don't need any of that. You don't want to be filled up? Oh, my God.

No, derailed. Derailed, I tell you. I love that you were willing to go there. And I'm so happy that you were able to come all this way. Thank you. I'm happy to. And, oh, my God. Wait, oh, there was two things I was going to tell you.

One, when we touched on New Orleans, we were staying in, when we were there, it was Nick Cage's house at the time. Whoa. Fully haunted. Oh, wow. Fully haunted. Like, the scariest thing. And I was alone a lot because you guys were working. I would come home and I would lock myself, like, in the bedroom and even if I was hungry.

Right. Oh, my gosh. It's really scary. And I would never leave the room. It was terrifying. Why. But New Orleans was fucking awesome. Did you see stuff or hear stuff? I want to do that.

You want to stay in that house? How do you feel like that good? I don't want to, like I believe in like supernatural stuff. I don't want to mess with it. No. You know? At all. Scared.

Did you hear stuff or did you? It was a feeling, you know? It was like a weird vibe. I mean, you know, the house is there. They're so old and beautiful. But there were definitely like there was some shit in that house. Mm-hmm. It was so... Did everyone know it?

Yeah, I think it's known that it was a haunted house. And it was Nick Cage's house. It was Nick Cage's house. So you rented it out or something to you? Not to me, but I mean... We were staying there. Yeah. Yes, it was...

That's where we were staying at the time. That sounds really weird. Are they pictures of him around? I feel like I would snoop a lot. I'm like, that's why it was haunted. He was everywhere. Haunted by Nick. Oh, my God.

It was so weird. It was really such a weird feeling. It was haunted by Nick Cage himself. Wait, that would be amazing if the gun... And I remember our rental car got like stolen out of the driveway. It was like such a weird. Yeah, that was like, oh, and like when I was like, huh, I swear I put the car there. And then it was gone. I don't know. It was really an experience. But I just remember his haunted house. But yes, I do believe. even ghosts, but just like you, I don't want to mess with it. No. I don't want to see them. I don't want to cuddle with them. No.

I don't want Nick Cage to haunt me. I'm dead. What are you guys going to do for the 20th anniversary? Of the O.C. I don't know if there's anything actually going to happen. It should be like an O.C. reunion. There should be a friend's union. Yeah.

That would be iconic. It's so popular now, too. Like, that shows come around to younger generation. Yeah. People freaking love it. It would be good to do something. It's so surreal. Like you're 22 years with Fast and the Furious and it's weird.

Yeah. 20 years and you're like, I was 21 and 20. It's just. And I've said this a few times. I had to rewatch the show for a rewatch podcast. And I got so emotional, like watching it. Because you're looking at yourself so young. Yeah.

And everything you've been through in that span of time. And I know it would be similar for you. It's so crazy because you're just like looking at this person. And you're like, oh, my goodness, like all the things, the choices and the, yeah. And it was like, it was kind of a trip. I don't know if you ever would go back and watch, you know, your franchise from the beginning to the end. Sometimes when I go back, I'm like, oh, my God, I was so much better than I thought I was. Oh, what a waste of time agonizing over like, I'm not good enough for this.

Like, what? Like, I was like, oh, my God, I rocked. Yeah, of course you did. You do rock. Yeah. But all the stories we tell ourselves. Totally. our younger selves that you were like a thousand percent yeah it's so true but yeah i think that's good

in our old age lady i'm kidding but it's true you just gain a lot of perspective and life and everything you know not so bad totally yeah um but this was a beautiful conversation and i really appreciate how open you know you are about your journey and everything else and you're so beautiful and you're so sweet and yeah so funny literally stunning i'm like because anyone ever ever you look like Ali McGraw. Thank you. Do you know who she is? Yeah.

And like we don't give me more too. I get both of those combined. Yes. So again, thank you so much. And thank you guys. It was really fun. This was fun. Rachel and I are total creeps.

Did you know that, Rob? Yeah, I was well aware of this. Okay. Oh, good. We talk so much. It's not normal. It's probably bad for the show that you guys talk so much off mic. You would think yet we still have so much to talk about.

And Olivia, I literally thought like, I'm like, maybe she's not awake yet because it's 9.30 a.m. right now. And normally we have spoken multiple times by this time of the morning. So I thought that maybe you weren't awake yet. And I was like she's going to miss our post recording. What stuff do you guys talk about that you can't say in front of me? I feel like you're pretty unhinged in front of me. We can say anything in front of you. It's not that.

We like to talk about. other people's private business. We're fine talking about our private business with the world. Got it. Apparently. Apparently. But when it comes to other people's private business that Rachel and I like to discuss, we try and.

So most of your conversations outside the podcast are just you shit-talking people, you know? No, not shit-talking. Gossiping. No, no. Processing. That's a good way to put it. I guess that's a decent spin on it.

It's a true spin on it. We're not like, what an idiot. We're like, we're like, we're like, Like, what do you think's under that? What do you think she's going through? What do you think he's, you know, we're literally processing it like we're psychological investigators on the case. We are psychological investigators. Yeah.

It's a fun job. It's so fun. How come no one, oh, wait, they do pay me. I was going to say, how come no one pays me? That's literally what you get paid for. You want to talk to us about your other fun job? Rachel. My other fun jobs?

Yeah. Jobs that you were. Yeah, you don't. It's been an interesting week, guys. This is the first time it's ever happened to me in my professional life that I lost a job this week because of things that were said and then spun in the press and clickbait headlines and whatnot. I lost my first job. And it wasn't this podcast, surprisingly. Yeah, surprisingly it wasn't our podcast.

Another clarification, though, it's not like you were up for a job and lost it. A job got pulled from you. Yes. Which is worse. Yeah, a job got taken away from me because I was speaking candidly and openly about sex in a humorous way on our friend's podcast. and it was spun and put out as these clickbait headlines. Not only that, I basically got a job that I already had pulled from me because I was speaking

openly about sex. Now, in this day and age, I'm baffled. A single mom, a woman, lost a job because they were being canned. candid and honest, and the subject was sex. Was this a conservative brand? I have no idea. I didn't know anything about the brand. You were selling Bibles for this company? No, Rob.

But here's the part that's the most upsetting is that we're allowed to look at you like a sex symbol, and I know you're going to get uncomfortable with that. But the truth of the matter is, many people have a massive crush on you and had for years, and they're fine putting you in sexy photos and sex scenes and movies and all of that. But the minute you open your mouth and say anything about sex, you get a job pulled? How is that okay? You know, and reflecting on it, I mean, the language that was used in the clickbait headlines, sure.

I was like, oh, I want to be fucking manhandled. First of all, I said it in a joking manner in the interview. Like, yeah, I want to get fucking manhandled. Basically, it's like, okay, give control or take control in the bedroom. whatever. We were speaking candidly talking about sex positions. And because that specific line was pulled and it made it sound a certain way, you know, I didn't even have a chance to defend myself. I didn't have a chance to speak about it. So, you know, we're talking about it here just because, you know, I'm a single mom like, I need these jobs, you know? Like, I don't want to make it sound like,

but, you know, everything counts, you know. I provide a lot for my family and my daughter and regardless of anything else, it all, it all matters. And how do they think you got your daughter? You had sex. Right. Okay. Yeah, I think it was a conservative brand when it came to light. And they said they weren't comfortable with that headline and that if people keep Googling,

they'll see the other things that I've commented on, which was orgasms. And I'm just like, I feel like it's discriminating. It is. I feel like that's something that brands should look for in a spokesperson, that they're willing to speak openly and speak their mind. I was just, I was floored. I cried. You know, my baby. Well, and this wasn't a brand that like, this wasn't you going on Sesame Street or selling children's clothing. No. This is a very broadly appealing brand used by the masses. And so is sex. It's broadly used by the masses. Yeah, and, you know, like we know, I grew up in a very open household where things are talked about. You know, my mom specifically very openly talks about sex in a sacred way.

So, you know, I've been floored, honestly, that everything was set in motion and I lost the job. It sucks. It does suck. And it brings to light that what that. means, like, as the narrative is, like, shaming women for speaking openly. And there's plenty of women that speak openly about sex, but maybe they don't have your, you know, kind of all-American feel, or maybe they're not as girl next door as people would like to see you. But the part that really upsets me is there's no problem with showing sexuality in media, in any way, shape, or form.

and yet you say something so benign as, you know, kind of like a throwaway joke. And even if it wasn't, even if you were just talking preferences, that shouldn't matter. Well, we were talking preferences. And I wonder, like, if I wouldn't have joked and said, you know, man handled, which literally is just like, oh, I like it if a male has more control in the bedroom, you know what I mean? Like, if I said it like that, would that make a different? but then I think they thought, oh, well, they'll Google and see all the other things you've said. I haven't said anything inappropriate.

No. And like choice of language, if I could go back now knowing that I lost a job, maybe I would say it differently, but I still wouldn't not say it. Yeah, but I think, look at everything either happens for you or against you, period. It's only those two options. And if you look at it like this happened against me and, if I could go back and say it different, I would, sure. However, I think it's an, it actually brings up a greater opportunity to address some of the stigmas and shame and narratives that go around women

and sexuality. And right, unfortunately, you're kind of being used for that in a way. Well, and every time you open your mouth about it, that's what people are looking for and grabbing headlines for. Like that's, we're not putting on an episode. about you talking about being manhandled. That's just what they're grabbing from any place that you go and talk about your sexuality. Right. And it's really not that much. If you were to listen to our entire, you know.

Yeah, if you listen to the conversation. We're putting out two hours of content every week. And in the last year, there's these like three or four sound bites that really caught fire. And every time you talk about something like that, that's what they go and grab. Yeah. And it's frustrating because we talk about a lot. Mm-hmm. We talk about everything.

And it's like this one little thing. And it's like now am I being pigeonholed like where I am just like talking about sex like super graphically or all the time or like, you know, it's like pinning me as this person. And it's frustrating for me. Yeah. It's really frustrating. I'm frustrated. And it makes me want to like shut up. I think there's also an opportunity for you to.

I mean, you're addressing it and talking about it inappropriate ways to be kind of a representation. of how to do it properly. Yeah, look, the bigger conversation is that, you know, and I've been right. My mom, you know, has always wanted to start with adolescents and talk to them about sex in a healthy way and educate, you know, which I think is important. And I might joke around and be a little vulgar sometimes because, you know, we're just shooting the shit and it's funny or whatever. But, like, that's not the brand I'm putting out or the message I'm putting out or the narrative.

I just don't want such a stigma or things to be so taboo when everybody talks about this with your girlfriends or maybe some people don't. That's fine. That's a different whatever. But like this is what we do. And we want to be accessible and relatable because we're human.

That's right. Well, and I think you're setting a good example for women. And I mean, even prior of like, yeah, you can talk about this stuff and not be ashamed of it. I feel sure. shamed by this company. Well, you were, to be honest. And, you know, we've had a lot of people write in about, because I think you addressed something

on one of our posts about how there was like headlines about that comment. And people have written in and just said, like, please, Rachel, don't hold back. Like, we need you to be this open. And it brings us comfort and kind of fuck what those people think those aren't your listeners. We are. And the truth of the matter is the whole point of this. podcast is for people to have a space where they feel like they're with their friends. And they get that slice of comfort when they're in their car or having a rough day. And that's the feedback we're

getting is that people feel part of and they feel like they're just with their friends. And it's so candid and open and real and relatable. And for you to hold back would be holding back from all those people that are actually getting relief from it and learning things from it. And so it sucks. But it's like you have to ask yourself like who am I doing this for but like I've been put in this position now where I have lost a job that I needed exactly I know because I speak candidly and you speak about so many other things that's the annoying part it's like why don't we talk why don't you make headlines about like advocating for mental health and for therapy and for things that actually make a difference they don't care to put that because it's not clickbait

Amen. What's your favorite position, Rob? What's your favorite position? That's cool with me. It's not my favorite, but I'll do it for you. What's your favorite dish? I'm not going to cook it, but I'll order it from Zanzibar. Rob.

See, Jack Black's allowed to make songs like that, no one battenay. Guys, I went to a dive bar last night. What? A real, yeah, a real dive bar where you could smoke inside. It was, I didn't smoke, but, or drink. Where can you smoke inside still? In Pennsylvania.

There's this little dive bar and we went and I came home smelling like I was in my 20s. And did it feel good or bad? It was fun to be out and like be in there. I was like, this is interesting. smelling like you were in your 20s. I hated it. I had to smoke for this movie. You did?

You didn't know that? Oh, yeah, you told me this. Did they give you fake cigarettes? They did, like the herbal ones without the nicotine, because I cannot have nicotine hit my system. Now you'll be. I will be a full-blown. A goner. Yeah.

Yeah, well, was the dive bar triggering for you? Not at all. I had my diet Coke. That's your special. Yep. I'm so happy. Like, I will say this. This was like a nice, sweet little moment last night.

There's been this guy that, like, helps with the movie. And he was driving and he turned to me and he goes, guess what? I have 19 years without a drink. And I was like, no way. I was like, I have almost 13. And he's like, he was kind of like shocked because in this little town, there's not people that are really sober and out about it. And it was like a really sweet little godshot moment.

where I love that. That was on the way to the dive bar together. Yeah. Yeah. That's so cute. But I love that. I love those little god shots where it's like so synchronistic and makes you feel like you're on the right path. I love that.

And then you both relapsed last night. Then we had shots of whiskey. No, I'm grateful. And it's Olivia's last night of filming and she comes home tomorrow. Yes, I do. Our little movie star. Posting the videos on said, like your little base camp and your things. Yeah.

And you're making your friends. And I just felt very proud. Yeah. Everyone's been so cool. That's right. That's right. A moment of silence of appreciation. Yeah.

Silence is for death. I mean, whatever. How has it been for your family with you being away for so long? Horrible. Have you been talking to them a lot? Or you've just kind of, you bet off on your own. Do you imagine if she wasn't? I was like, I'm in character.

I haven't talked to my kids in three weeks. No, I've been facetiming them multiple times a day, obviously. And I'm not going to lie, they've had a rough time without me there. Well, yeah. But you're the frigging. I'm the mom. Does that make you feel good? No, it makes me feel bad.

Does not make me feel good at all. Well, but would you feel good if they were thriving without you there? I'm like, come back whatever you are, Mom. No, that would be awkward. Yeah. I'd be like, what? You don't... So you wanted somewhere on the spectrum.

But the weird thing is, Shepherd doesn't seem like he misses me that much. That's not true. Elliot does. He's just having a novel experience, and that's fun for him. He's just like, whatever. He's running the roost. You know who misses me the most is Jeff. He wants me to come home.

Losing his mind. Yeah. Of course. he's not exactly who I would nominate to go on an extended time without you the mom yeah yeah he does great but

you got to get home I mean I'm not gonna lie it's a lot for it's a lot it's a lot for anyone yeah you guys wait did you guys know that Claire Daines is pregnant did anyone know that I did I did not I saw pictures from the there was like a panel for Fleischman's in trouble and she's fully pregnant and I'm like I had no idea that's awesome how old

is she she's 44 she's 44 I'm pregnant I was like fuck yes with you Dancy's child I'm assuming is that her first they have one child right Rob um it looks like he has two children huh did they have two kids yeah they have two kids oh so this is their third unless they've already named the new one. What are their names? Cyrus and Rowan. Oh, they have two. Okay. How old are the kids? I'm just curious that age gap in it. This is interesting to me. Four and ten years old. Four and ten. Four and ten. Four and ten.

Okay. So it's a very spread out. Balanced age range range between all three. Me and you almost have the same birthday too. June 19th. Gemini. How cute. Do you? think there's any truth. I know you guys aren't doctors. I know you played one, Rachel, but do you think there's any truth to once a woman gets pregnant, it's easier for her to get pregnant? Like if someone's trying for the first time at 44, do you think it's going to be harder than someone who's already had two children? Like, do you think that that's actually a thing? You mean like if it's her

first time at 44 trying to get pregnant? Correct. As a scientist, what do you think? I know. I've always heard that. And I'm like, I wonder if that, if there's truth to that or if it's a, you know, wives tail. It seems to make sense to me. I feel like I get pregnant easily and I feel like that would continue until I couldn't get pregnant anymore. That's just my hypothesis. My hypothesis. My hypothesis. My hypothesis. I have a hypothesis. I'm not saying it could go to term or like it would be healthy, like happen, you know, like fully, but I think I could get pregnant. Is that a weird theory? I mean, I don't know. Olivia, what do you been doing with all your downtime? Boot barn.

I've gone to the boot barn. I've gone to Cracker Barrel. Okay, I had really good pancakes. You went to Cracker Barrel? I did. I went. Well, because the guys were going and I was like, fine. I'll go.

And I will say. How could you not tell me this? I thought I told you. Sorry. This is important information. Go ahead. The pancakes were amazing. Yes.

Yes, they are. I didn't know this. At the general store, you can buy the pancake mix. I like the general store. It's like she's fine. I do like the general store. I do. I love it. And all the rocking chairs out for, come on. I know. Well, I had never had the pancakes because normally I'm gluten free, but there's not many options here for gluten free.

So I was like, I'll indulge. And I was like, okay. All right. See? Can I tell you something that I don't know if this is okay to say, but I ordered from Applebee's. Yeah. Because there's only a few places you can order from here. And I got like chicken and broccoli and mashed potatoes. And I took one bite of the chicken and I was like, no. No, no, no, no, no. Did it taste like chicken? I told someone about it and he was like, yeah, because they microwave it.

Yeah. Wait, but you know like if you order chicken and it tastes like chicken and it's not like, doesn't have any flavor, like to hide the chicken? Yeah, it was like chicken, rubbery chicken. Yeah, no. But then I don't, I don't want to shame. Applebee's. But I wasn't happy.

I'm down for an apple bees. I don't care. But I'm just so happy that you have finally crossed over and can appreciate Cracker Barrel. We're going on a road trip. There's one in Rialto.

We're going to Cracker Barrel. We're taking Dustin with us because apparently he loves Cracker Barrel? He loves Cracker Barrel. And my boy. Him and Shane went on a road trip to, I think Camarillo for Cracker Barrel. There's one.

in Camarillo. Yeah. I just know that there's one in Rialto and we're going. Where's Rialto? It's East. Guess who's not coming with us to that? Rob. Rob.

No. Rob. Come on, Rob. Come on a Cracker Barrel road trip with us. Come on. Document the whole experience. That's going to be the best. Documenting Rob our little snobby Robbie.

You have to. His Michelin Star Restaurants eating at Cracker Barrel. You're going to like the pancakes at least. That I know. I've had the pancakes. You have so good. I'd only been there once before. My family only vacationed by road trip.

So you did many a Cracker Barrel. Yes, many Cracker Barrel breakfasts. I love it. It was one of the first places as a baby that Breyer went in her little, you know, portable car seat. And I remember her sitting in her car seat. And she stared at the fans in Cracker Barrel the entire time and was so happy. So see, Cracker Barrel appeals to all ages. Yeah.

My memories of it are more, there was always a wait for some reason. And then just like wandering around the general store as a kid. And they're toys. You must have been thrilled. Trying to pick out toys that my parents wouldn't buy us. We're on a road trip and there's no room for shit. Oh, that sucks. But the candy, I mean, come on.

I don't think we got candy either. Did you have any joy as a child? The peg game, the little game. on the table? I do remember playing the game too. I like, yeah. Guys and the fireplaces, come on. I want to go right now.

I think I've been flipped. I think I've been flipped. I'm so happy to hear it. That brings me more joy than you could know. I can't believe I didn't tell you I went. It's like I cheated on you. Yeah. Like I'm honestly a little offended, but it's okay.

I'm just happy you've crossed over. Thank God. I have a question. Yeah. How do you feel about people keeping things to themselves in friendships? Oh. What kind of things and how close are the friends? So like best friends.

Okay, what if I got back with an ex that no one liked or whatever? It was like a bad relationship and I was with the person. Right. Do you feel like friends are obligated to tell you their truths or do you think everyone's entitled to their privacy? like you guys I don't have any friends that like I talk to on a daily basis that should know every single thing

about me from a personal level There's like anonymity like in personal lives you're saying and like it's Or I have friends that like We'll talk about certain buckets of our lives But I don't have one that is like Here's every single thing Well what if

Yeah like we do We have friends that it's like every single thing It's like she feels weird that I went to Cracker Barrel and didn't tell her. Right? Which I get, and I'm sorry. So it is dependent on the relationship. Like, with us, we literally know everything about each other.

We're very open and we share all. So it would feel really weird. It depends on the item, too. Like, it's only a big deal about Cracker Barrel because you know how much Rachel loves Cracker Barrel. Yeah, so she should have told me. If this was like, you went and got coffee down at the hotel bar this morning and it was gross.

and you didn't tell her that. No, Rob. It's like Rob and all his, like, star coffee dates that he keeps to himself. I bet she wants to know what I put in my coffee this morning. I know what you put in your coffee. No. And I was going to say, it's like you don't even know me.

You have no idea what I put in my coffee this morning. Oh, because they didn't have fake sugar? Well, I bought fake sugar, but the creamer is not. Oh, it's coffee mate? So, yeah, so I've been using the hazelnut, like, pump, coffee mate situation. Yeah, you didn't know that. Well, look it. See, I still guessed what it was.

You know how you normally take your coffee. Yeah. We're just sick, though. We're like, we're so intertwined in each other's lives. I don't think it's an issue if you have friends that you don't tell every single thing to. But what about, but what about

like that specifically? Like, if they were hiding something like that. That's not good for them, let's say. I don't, well, yeah, that's different. there's then you're dealing with like shame and their own personal thing and it's not about the friendship at that point. That's true. Yeah, that is true. That's a good point.

Very woke of you, Rob. He's being insightful. Yeah, no, it's a good point. And I also think you didn't tell her about Cracker Barrel because you forgot. This wasn't an intentional like I don't want Rachel to know this. If she asked me if I went to Cracker Barrel, I'm going to tell her no. I'm more offended that she forgot because she knows how much, like, how big of a deal that. For my 40th birthday, all I wanted to do was go to Cracker Barrel.

That's what I was going to do. I was like, we're driving an hour or whatever to Cracker Barrel. But it was like COVID times and there was like a spike and no one was eating inside. And I was like, the only thing I wanted for my 40th birthday was taken for me. All right. For your 50th next year, we'll take you to Cracker Barrel. Let's do a redo. I want to go to Cracker Barrel.

Let's do it. Cracker Barrel. Guys. Rob, you're coming. I don't care. You are coming. All right. He's excited.

So excited. Well, on that note. On that note, I love Jordana. It was so good to see her again. And I just think she's such a beautiful human being inside and out. And we can't wait to go see Fast X. Fast X. Fast X.

Fast X. Yes. Thanks everybody for tuning in and listening to all of our woes and our ways. See you next week. Until next week. Bye. That was a hate gum podcast.