Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Karen Fukuhara on Boundaries, Dating, and Freezing Her Eggs

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

Actress Karen Fukuhara (The Boys, Suicide Squad) talks to Rachel and Olivia about freezing her eggs, navigating the dating apps and creating healthy boundaries. They also discuss their deep love for New York City.Broad Ideas is sponsored by IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. To get your twenty percent off, just text IDEAS to sixty-four thousand.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi. What's up? Karen Fukuhara from the boys. It's here today. Olivia was on Zoom because she had COVID. Yep. Just so everybody knows. Rob is here today, which is a rarity.

Because he doesn't have COVID. Right. Okay. Let's get into the episode, please. Sometimes when the inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride we'll talk about dogs and kids and things we'll talk about chicks and tampon strings we'll talk about boys because people die yeah i know because so i told her like we were obviously like wanting to know

everything about you. And when I read that, her son, well, you can say, I don't need to talk for you, but, no, my son speaks partial sign language because he's partially deaf. That's not why he speaks partial sign language, but we just haven't learned the whole thing, but we're still learning. Oh my gosh, how old is he? He's five. Wow, that's such a young age to learn. I guess kids pick it up language, kids pick up languages way faster than adults. do, but I don't know. He's better at that than spoken word. Oh, really?

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It's nuts. It is true, though, because I was always like, why did my parents not get me speaking another language? Because you pick it up so easily as a child. And obviously, for you speak. How many languages do you think?

I only speak Japanese and English. Well, they only. That's a lot. That's way more than me. But it's so cool, you know. I love it. I won't say I'm trying to pick up Spanish because I'm just on Duolingo and I like abandoned it after two months. But my dream is to speak Spanish.

I mean, it's such a useful little thing. Yeah. And we live in L.A. Right. And you're from here. Right. Well, you are too. Yes.

And so is she. Oh my gosh. I know. What part are you? Valley girl. Valley girls. Yes. Valley girls.

Valley girls. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Marvista, Venice. Nice. Yeah, close. Yeah, you guys. But yeah, L.A. girls. I know.

Yeah. We always love L.A. natives. We're like, oh, our people. I know, I know. Everyone says, like, oh, L.A. native, that you guys are unicorns. But being from here, we're like, what do you mean? We're everywhere. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. We're the normal ones. Yeah. Well, L.A. gets a bad rap. It does. The people from here, though, are oftentimes very ground. because they grew up around everything that they're not phased in the same way as people that

move here. A hundred percent. I always say the same thing. I'm like, I feel like we're pretty normal. Yeah. Yeah, very, very normal. Yeah. It's exactly how it feels.

Yeah. So you grew up here. You grew up Venice, Mar Vista. Went to school. Like your whole life, have you lived in L.A.? Yeah, I never left. I went to Marvista Elementary, Palm's middle school, Venice. High, UCLA, like never.

Yeah, never left. Yeah. But, okay, so I just got back from New York two days ago. Oh. And I have this heavy inclination to move. I know. I loved it there. I've gone there many times for work.

Yeah. You know, like a weekend here, a week there. But there's just this like vibrancy to New York that, And maybe it's because I've lived here my whole life. Yeah. Do it. It's new. Do it.

I know. Yeah. Honestly, I've always, I had always felt that. I wanted to live in New York, you know, at least once. And I got to say, like, before kids, before anything, if you want to do it, I say, go for it. I don't know how your parents feel about that, though. Oh, my parents do not give a shit. They're like, we came back home to live with my parents for a short duration.

And my mom's like, when are you leaving? Your shoes everywhere. It's not that bad. It's just foxes here and there. So yeah. So neither of you have lived elsewhere other than... But work. We're taking places. Yes and no. I mean, I've spent like a good part of a decade in Canada and... Toronto? Outside of Toronto. Yeah. Outside of Toronto? Yes. Yes. And you've worked there.

Yeah. I love it there. Yeah. Is that where Suicide Squad shot? Both of them. Yeah. Suicide Squad and the boys are also in Toronto. Oh, of course. The boys, I know. Because Chase, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love Chase. I forgot. That's right. He told me you guys are in Toronto. Toronto is a great city.

It's like New York, but a little cleaner. But, you know, I definitely say moved to New York over Toronto. I really think so. The hunters. Yeah. I lived in L.A. my whole life. I moved away for about three years recently, just up north.

But I can say that it expanded me in ways that I did not see coming. Because I'm like, who wants. to leave L.A. Why would you leave L.A.? We have everything here. Then coming back to L.A., I was like, ooh, maybe there's somewhere else for me. And so I feel like it expands you, especially, are you single? Yes. Very much single. Very much single. Very much single. I want to get into it. I want to get into all of it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Very much single. I read that, okay, we just like a jump into things. I'm sorry, living elsewhere, I want a farm. I mean, always something else. Yeah. Side note, you froze your eggs, which I love that you, no, I know. We didn't go there.

Bear with me. But like, we're such advocates for that. Like, if you have the means, the capability, the ability, all of it, we could not be more supportive of that. And the fact that you did that and you openly talk about it is so awesome. Thank you so much for saying that. You know, it was a decision to talk about it. I think I only mentioned it one time in an interview. And I just always thought that it was like such an important thing. And then after I went through the process, I realized like, oh, so many of my friends that are my age or even a little bit older have never really thought about this as a viable option. And the thing is, it's time sensitive. Right. And if I had the time and the money to do it three years ago, I probably should have done it. And maybe I could have made it work money-wise, right? Right.

In my mind, I was like, I'm still young. I'm in my, I'm 29. Like, it's going to be fine up until a certain point. I just thought it would be a much easier process. And I just went through it a few weeks ago, actually. What? I know, like three weeks ago. It was that recent?

Mm-hmm. Oh, my goodness. Oh, I didn't know. Wow. The hormones were forcing through me. Ooh. And it was not, it wasn't, it was hard. It was harder than I expected.

And I have to do it again. And I was going to do it again. I was actually going to start injections yesterday for the second round. Yeah. But, you know, like, long story short, like the timing didn't really work out. So I'm going to do it in a few, like, weeks to a two months maybe in the fall. Yeah. But, yeah, if I really wish that I did it sooner, I think.

So I think that's a good message. Like, if it's even on your mind. Yeah. So you have to do another round of it. And I don't know how much you want to get into detail or not. But I do think it's super, like, helpful information and, you know. able to talk about it. And I know you mentioned it was a longer process. And I guess, yeah, you know, it's not, I thought it was going to be, you go in, you book your appointment,

and I was waiting for the opportune time, right? I was like, okay, I'm filming here. I'm scheduling this. My friend's wedding is here. And so if I book this appointment, my initial appointment, on this date, and then do the process two weeks to four weeks, right, whatever. Perfect. But you have to think about like your body. And do you have, did you use birth control before? Is that going to affect your level? Does it? You can still, let's say, okay, you can have an IUD in. Right. And some doctors that I went to said you can keep it in and still do the process. But, really? Wow. Yeah. But for me, I took it out just because I thought. felt better about it. And then the blood test came back and they were like, oh, the levels are low. So we're going to have to wait a few months and we think it's because of the IUD. And so now I'm waiting like three to four months, just waiting for my body to get ready. Right. And then while I was waiting, my follicle count went down. And then it's, you know what I mean? Oh my gosh. So it's really like

monitoring and yeah, it takes a lot more time for some people. Yeah. Yeah. And, and. And, And other people, it's one and done. Right. You never know. You never know. I know people that have gone three, four times. And it's all about, like, sometimes their follicles would be two. Sometimes they'd be eight. Sometimes they'd be 14. And it's like just having to get it at the right moment and have your body be completely ready for that. I don't think it's amazing how you spend your whole life trying not to get pregnant. Not your whole life. But like a good part of it. Yeah. And okay, so that is actually the mental switch that I'm having to do, right? So this time around, you know, again, I'm pretty like full throttle when I commit to something. So like a few weeks to three months before, you can't have gluten. You can't drink.

You shouldn't work out the two weeks or the month that you're doing the hormone shots. a lot of the things that you, it's a lifestyle thing. And at the end of the day, it almost feels like you're going through pregnancy, even though you really don't want to get pregnant at this moment in time. That's why you're freezing the eggs. Right. And then there's also like a mental health aspect to it. I definitely felt a little bit of like self-doubt.

and for a moment you kind of feel like what's wrong with me when the egg count is so low, you know? Yeah. It's a mental game. It is. I mean, it goes for anything with women and their bodies. Like, you know, I've had miscarriages and I've talked about it openly. And it's like you feel like, oh, what's wrong with me?

Or am I not? And then, you know, I have my. healthy, beautiful daughter and it was a great pregnancy and everything. I'm very fortunate, but also going through that, you can't help but take it on in a way. And I think it's an important discussion about mental health around it and everything because. Yeah, especially like if there are women out there trying to go through it alone. Yeah. And, you know, egg freezing. If you think about it, I think a lot of the women that do go through with it are single, right? And that's why they're doing it for insurance into the future and just have options.

I never use the eggs. Like, that's fine. You may have a natural birth. That's great. But as our society, like, heads in a direction where there are more working women, I think it's just great to have that, you know. It is. And I also, I have a few clients actually going through it right now.

Like I'm getting the text messages of like this, my levels are this. And, you know, this is something that is like really common. And what I like to say to them is your journey as a mother has begun. The minute you decide to freeze your eggs, there's a surrender that happens that happens when you first become a mother. And that starts with freezing your eggs. You're turning over your body. You're surrendering your will. You're saying, okay, I'm open to what's to come.

You have to give over control. You have to give over your body. You have to kind of get right with yourself with those hormones. Like all of this is what being a mom is. And your journey is just starting a little bit earlier. So it's not just like a doctor's appointment. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to go do this thing. It's like, I don't know what your spiritual believes.

But to me, I'm like, spiritually, you just signed up to be a mom. I am very touched by then. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's such a great way of thinking about it because it totally is. You're beginning this process. And yeah, yeah, no, it's beautiful. The surrender and acceptance is a big one. Yeah. I'm like, I don't want this, but I do want it.

I do want it. I do want it. Right, yeah, yeah, totally. That's what I mean. Like, that's the part about being to mom is there's a surrender that. comes with it that is experiential. You can't really understand it until you go through it. And even in this process, I've seen so many girls go through this and that surrender starts then, whether it's, oh, I didn't get the egg count I wanted, or we have to do it again, or I didn't

get any, or whatever the situation is, there's a surrender. And then it's like, once you do get pregnant, talk about surrender, you're giving over your entire body. Yeah. And there's very little control you have. Like sometimes even with what you eat, you like want to eat healthy or want to do this and you physically can't. Like there's just, you know, a lot that goes into it that I feel like the spiritual lessons and learnings start that moment. You sign up for that. It's a really nice way to look at it. And also like terrifying. In a way. Yeah, yeah. It is terrifying. Yeah. But it's true. But it is. It is. It is. Totally. Yeah. I mean, you know. Not to scare you, but shit. No, it is. It's true. But I do, what I love is like the openness. And I think there's been such a nice sort of transgression of openness with women being willing to talk about all of this stuff. And we do that a lot here,

like on the podcast, because this is the shit like that should be talked about, you know? Or like, if people, are having thoughts and just supporting that and just your journey with it and hearing. But of course, like me too, I'd be like, oh, freeze your eggs. You go in. Yeah. And they just, they take them. Okay. There you go. They're yours. And then that's it. And you're like, oh, no, no. This is like a whole thing and like the injections and everything. Like it takes a big toll on your body and juggling that in your career and everything else. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. And dating. And dating. Yeah. And dating.

Do you like, if you go on a date, like, do you talk about that stuff? Are you like open? Well, you just did it. So I don't know. Oh, freezing. No. Or any of it. I don't know.

What do you talk about on dates? Let's hear what you talk about on the date. Okay. I, my boyfriend and I, my ex and I broke up last August. Okay. Which is mind boggling to me because it feels not that long ago. Right. We together a long time.

Five and a half a year. Oh, shit. Yeah. And then I realized like last week, I was, okay, oh my God, it's August. It's been a year. Yeah. So crazy. Wow. And I haven't really dated. Then really, yeah. I have not gone on any day. You haven't gone on a single day in a year? No. I mean, like, I've had like a, like a, yeah, few days of a fling. Okay. Once or twice. Yeah. Yeah. It, like, no, no real date. Yeah. We're like, we're into each other and we're going to sit down and talk and see where it goes. I've never done that.

I've never been on a dating house. I just downloaded Raya. You did? And did you sign up? I signed up and I'm slowly. Sign up and, okay. Yeah. But that was, you know, I signed up like a week or two ago.

Yeah. And I haven't met up with anyone. And I'm really bad at it, right? Like, it's like, I'm like, opening. Give it to retail right now. Let's see. Let's talk to people. I wonder if we know who you're being paired with. I'm sure there's overlap for sure. It's just such an interesting world because for me, I'm so forgetful. So I forget to log back into the app and then by that time they're like in Australia or something. You know what I mean? They're like gone. But I know a lot of success stories

from Riot. Like I've never been on a dating app. But it fascinates me. And like, I always want to see everybody else's and like swipe through. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I could totally get addicted to it, I'm sure. But I do know success stories from it. And I do think that it's a great way to meet people, especially when you're traveling all the time or you're working or whatever. I think that's actually really nice. I can't believe you haven't. Well, you've- I'm a little bit shocked. But yeah. A little shot. You're so stunning. And I mean, obviously it's not because you. 100% any of that. And so talented and on your show, I'm like, there's no guys you meet doing the show. Oh, yeah. No. Okay. So this is another thing that I'm realizing. I have like a don't shit where you eat policy because I'm so career oriented. Yeah. And I don't. I've seen it get really messy. And I don't think it's worth it. And you know what happened? A few years ago, I was having dinner with my manager. and I was talking about relationships between actors, and he asked me if I would ever date another actor or someone in the industry,

and I said, okay, well, maybe someone like, that's not an actor that's in a different department. But I asked in point blank, I said, as a manager, have you ever seen two actors date or get married and it work out? And he took like a good amount of time to think about it. And he said, no. And I was like, oh, my, no. Yeah, the answer is just straight, no. No. He wasn't like, sometimes it works out if, no.

He was just like, nope, no. I was like, oh, wow. That's very eye-opening to me because as a, like, as a manager, you think you would see something. This episode is brought to you by IQ Bar. I love IQ Bar's products. As a mom, I'm old. always tired. I like something in the morning to get me going. And guess what? Fall has never tasted this good. Their limited edition pumpkin spice flavors are back in action. Get them now before

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definitely dated actors. Isn't it fun? I kind of want to try it. I mean, I definitely think try it. Why are you laughing like? She's so cute. She's like, it's like, it's not want to do it. I want to do it. You should try it for fun. Listen, because I do have the flip side of it. Like, if you are dating someone, they totally understand so much of what, yeah, you know, you're doing. And work is obviously very important to you. And so there is that common thing, which is nice. And as long as they're, like, a nice actor and they're not too, like, self, you know,

spendered or whatever. And they're definitely out there. And they exist. And I just think that, I mean, look, you're young, you're single. I say try everything. Okay. Go on a date. I want to.

I think you should. I think you should. And I want to know about it. I want to know what you're talking about. You want to go on a date with. You guys know. I know. Let me know. Oh my God.

I know. We know people. Yeah. Yeah. I have some thoughts. I have some thoughts. I have some thoughts. Off the mic.

Yeah. It's so fun. See, I just. Yeah, we should be matchmakers. We really should. I feel like we need to turn this or have a portion of this podcast be just dedicated to matchmaking. You come on and you leave with a date.

Ooh, broad Cupid. I don't know. No, this. I'm into this. I came to the right plate. You really did. I truly, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's my favorite thing. Tell us your, like, non-negotiables. What are you looking for? Yeah, what are, yeah, let's do your list. Oh my gosh. Okay. I love this. I love this.

I love this. I love this. I need like, I know, seriously. I really like people that are passionate about something or like have ambition. I and people that like take action from those inspirations. I don't need them to like know their life goal, although that would be hot too. But like I need I don't, I just can't do someone that's like, I don't know what I want to do. I don't really care about what I do, blah, blah.

Like, I want them to, you know, really want something and be like, well, I'm working towards it. Right. It's one thing to say what you want, but actually the action of pursuing it. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And so in the same way in that, like, world, I think I like it when guys are a little nerdy. And I'm not saying, like, they need to be like the, like, stereotypical idea of a nerd.

I'm just saying, like, I want them to geek out over something. Totally good. I love that. I know. Me too. That's awesome. And okay, can we just all agree that? Like, I, I, we can't do fuckboys. No. We can't do fuckboys. No. I've never been with a fuckboy, but the idea of like dating one sounds terrifying to me. And I also am over the whole like

waiting for a something to happen. Yeah. Wait for them to. Waiting for a text or like, are they like, are they into me? Or, Do they want something? Right. I was talking to a friend recently. Mm-hmm. And she said, if a guy is not texting you about promptly, and if he's not setting plans to see you next time, out, out.

Out. And I was like, interesting. Interesting. I is interesting. I want to know, like, your definition of a fuck boy, though. Like, I know everyone's, but some people may, like, interpret it differently. I think a fuck boy is someone that, like, says yes to, everything and is game for you and loves you in the moment and then is also doing the same thing

to other people. Yeah. Got it. Which is fine for a while. Like, yeah, date around. But, like, I don't love it when it's not transparent. Right. Like, just let me know if you're talking to another girl, that's fine. Like, yeah. Just being honest. Yeah. I don't guess. Yeah. No guessing. How do you feel about making the first move? Like reaching out anything? I, it's been so long, guys. Five and a half years is a long time. And then a year of processing off of that.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of time. It is. I mean, how old were you when you were single last? Like, math. I know, math. Mass.

Mass. Like mid-20s. That is a completely different person. You're a completely different human being now. Yeah, 100%. And you didn't have your, like, you didn't have this level of success yet. No, no, no, no, no. And so coming into the world being single, now being successful, and it's a whole different thing.

You have to do a new level of like guarding, you know? I think. Oh, my God. Probably. But in a positive way. God, you're the cutest thing ever. I can't handle you. It's so funny because I text one of my dear friends is on Gen V, and I text London Thor. I love her.

I know. I love her. She's an actual angel. Yeah. I texted her this morning saying you were coming on, and she was like, she's genuinely the best, sweetest, most. Like, she was going on about you. I'm like, oh, she was so glad. She was right.

She was right. She was right. Yeah. So sweet. What were we saying? She was a different person when she was in a last. Oh, you were a different person. Well, here's the thing is, and I've experienced this with Rachel, is that I get really protective.

Not just when a guy wants to date her, obviously she's gorgeous. That's one thing. But there is a level of man out there that, like, you know, they want a little bit of that fame or whatever it is that comes with. that. And that's a... You think that's happened? I don't think we've let that happen. But I'm like, I'm like, I can't think of anything. No, because you haven't dated them. Right. Okay. So that, that is also something that I was thinking about because the reason why I'm on Raya and not the other dating websites, it's because my friends were telling me they're going to like screenshot your profile and be like, oh, okay. Oh, and you can't do that on Raya, right? I don't think so. I don't think so.

And there's a... You can't. You can't. Okay. Which is great. Yeah, it's just a little more private, a little more protected, right? Yes. I hope so.

So I think that is where... Yeah. Yeah. But how do you differentiate or, like, how do you weed them out? How do you know? I will say, and I was just having this conversation with someone, and I don't know if it has to do with, like, my intuition is super on point or whatever. No matter the person, whether it's like a romantic thing or,

whatnot. I can usually tell the kind of person within a first meeting, like, of meeting someone. And I'll be like, you're a good person. You're unsure. You are just an asshole. But it's just like, you know, like you can just kind of tell or I can. I can pick up a vibe pretty easily. That's great. Which I think, yeah. I have a question on that, though. I have a question. What? Do you think, though, that that's played into why you, for the most part, have dated actors? Because there is a level of safety in it knowing they don't need or want anything from you in that way. Interesting.

A lot of... A lot of... Actually, that's not true. A couple of actors I've dated is because we literally were working together and it just happens, right? And you hear that all the time. I have to try that one day. I'm sure you will. It's bound to happen.

Let's put it that way. You know, because there's a vibe or chemistry. You're playing love interest. Like, obviously, it's very common. Um, but I don't know that that's ever been a thought of mine, Olivia, that like consciously, you know. Could be just conscious, though. Maybe. But I don't know.

It's never crossed my mind. It is interesting. I like to dig it. She likes to get in. Yeah. To get into it. Yeah, she does. She does.

Uh, your husband. And where did you meet your husband? I would love to. I met him. We did a master's program in spiritual psychology. She met him at the school. Yeah. So I would have never crossed paths with this human being otherwise, ever.

Like we would have never been in the same thing. Right. So for me, it was about doing something different and doing something away from all my friends and my comfort zone. And the coolest part about it was I was always told, like, stop looking and you'll find him and all of that kind of stuff. And I was always looking. Like, I never stopped looking. I couldn't. I came into this world to be in a relationship. Like, I feel like I got to Earth. I was like, like, good. Like Earthside, I'm like, come on. Yeah. Yeah. But I did genuinely do that for me and only me. And in that, I ended up meeting him. So there is something to that like stop looking and you know, but it's like, yeah, but also like taking a year where you haven't really been dating after that relationship, I think is perfect, especially at your age where you're kind of just with yourself and doing all

those things and exploring and the eggs and this and the work and whatever. But how cool is it to have done that? So now if you are going to date, it's, it's, you know, coming from a place. place of not necessity. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's no like ticking time bomb. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Which totally takes that off the table, which I think is really nice. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that for what you're looking for, I love it because there's a safety in that geekiness. And that's the thing. Like with my husband, he is geeky and not geeky at the same time. But that was my biggest quality is that for a man there has to be something that I look up to in him.

That we talk about that all for the time. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. There has to be something that makes me want to be a better person or learn more or grow more or expand, like something in them that I respect that keeps me looking up at them, not on a pedestal or not. But also excited to talk about like what they do or what they're inspired by or after. Like, it's just this like a hundred percent. Yeah. It just and it can be anything. It could be something. It could be someone's humor. It could be their, you know, relationship with their parent. It doesn't matter what it is. They have to have something that I'm a little bit in awe of. Yeah. Oh, that's so true. Yeah. That is 100% true. Yeah. It's very attractive. I remember when I was single, I used to, so I was told to make a

list, right? And they said, then once you look at that list, then you ask yourself the question, what qualities of these do I possess? And if I don't, then that's my focus, right? Yeah. And so I remember watching so many documentaries because I wanted to be more intelligent. I was like, I wanted, because that was like on my list of like someone who knows about everything going to. And on in the world. And I had to be honest with myself. Like, I didn't. Oh, my gosh. This is crazy because I just did this yesterday in my journal. What? What? What? I just did this in my journal yesterday. Like, it's crazy that we're talking about, like, point blank. Oh, my God. Yeah. So I was, I had like a short stint with someone, like real short. Um, um,

And I think he's cute, whatever. And he's not texting me back. It's fine. It's fine. I'm not pressed. I'm not pressed. I'm not pressed. It's kind of thing.

And he's probably going to watch this and be like, what the fuck? Anyway. Anyway, I love it. Like, there are so many qualities of his that I find inspiring, that I, I have or don't have at all. Like, I have a little bit of it, but I, like, could take a step further and I've always wanted to, like, amp up that side of me. Yeah. Yeah. Or, like, he has a ton of hobbies. Okay. And I am very insecure about the fact that, like, all of my, like, bobbies, it doesn't really, like, exist anymore. I don't know. I used to do a bunch of things. And then,

And I used to do like, I used to sing and was in an a cappella group and I used to be an avid, like, martial artist. And then like, you know, I started working more and acting and going abroad. And it's hard with the traveling and keeping something up. And in the past few years, I was like, damn, I really don't have any hobbies. Like, so many of my friends are doing kickboxing and surfing and singing. And they're reading on their free. time and they're also keeping up with the news and they have a political like view on thing. And I got to a point like after meeting him and it's not just him. It was just like, and like I was in a

relationship that didn't call for any of that for five and a half years. And then once I'm out of that, it's been a year. And now that I'm going out into the dating scene, one of my biggest insecurities is like, what do you like to do on your free time? What are your hobbies? And I'm like, great question. I wrote it down yesterday. In my journal, I was like this is like what I want to do. And that's what I want to work on. I love that.

What an awareness. That is really cool. Yeah. And I think our insecurities point us to our passions. And I don't see them as a negative thing. I see them as an indicator of where we want to grow. And it's not negative at all. It's like, yeah, that's,

great. If you feel insecure about that, then what do you want to do about it? Yeah. The action. Yeah. And it's not to get someone. It's not like I want to have these hobbies so that I can get someone. No. Because the reason you respect his hobbies isn't because he's doing it to get someone is because it's genuine to him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's for me. Like essentially, it'll make me feel better. And I want to feel more confident and I also think it's I mean a lot of what we do is waiting around for that yes and it's I think I want to work on things that I have more control over as well and like whether it generates money or not you know like a hobby is not going to do that but right no years we never know I yeah you never know what like is would you do um there's like a

really specific form of ceramics that I've always wanted to get into. They're just, they're just like tiny little vases. What's it called? I don't know what it's called. I'm like in the search for it. Okay. I'm like, because I'm so really wanting to know. Yeah? No, I mean, I've taken ceramics classes before and I, it was so difficult that I like gave up last year or two ago. But yeah, there's just these tiny bases and like you put dry flowers in them and like that's the one I want to do or like guitar, piano, Spanish. Right. Spanish.

I really want to get into like a physical sport. I love working out, but like I just want something that I could work on on my own and also share it with someone. And I don't quite know what that thing would mean. The martial art doesn't do it for you anymore. That is like coming out of necessity and like, yeah, I should definitely 100% go back into that. But like something else that like, a lot of my friends surf. Like, a lot of my friends surf, they climb, they ski or like snowboard. Yeah.

Does that interest you any of those? It does. I'm just really bad at them. Like, you know how you try something and you're like, I can do this? Totally. And that's never happened for me for those class. I'm always like, this is hard. It's really hard.

It's really hard. I've tried everything pretty much. And, you know, a lot of it like younger. Like, totally, I'm going to snowboard with the dudes because I'm going to impress them. And like, I must have gone a very decent amount of times. And I fucking can't do it. Like, I just can't do it. It's hard.

It's hard. It's hard. And I tried skiing for the first time, like last winter. It was so much easier. But I have to be honest, I don't love winter sports. It feels a little too out of control, you know? The elements are scary. It is.

But my daughter's totally into it and I support it. So I'll do it, of course. Yeah. You know, but it's really been coming up for me lately, this whole hobby thing because my life is my kid, right? And like work, of course, the podcast, everything. But then you're starting to think they get older. Like, oh, what other things do I have outside of them? Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. My birthday is coming up soon. And last night, my mom keeps hounding me. Like, what do you want? What do you want? What do you want? And I was like, I remember. I want to learn how to knit.

There it is. You guys. I am, all I want is to, like, I am a grandmother. I am 80 years old. That spoke to me. I am so happy and that is a hobby. I don't know if I can do it, but I'm going to try it. You could totally do it. I don't know. I'm not really good at things. Like, I'm not good at like crafty, like type things. Hands on things. Okay. I don't think. I don't want to try. I buy that for you. You don't buy that for me. You think I'm, anyway. I think that you're going to excel in knitting. I hope so. I had to pick a hobby. You would for you or for me.

Oh, yeah. Don't think that I'm not going to, I just spit, I'm not going to knit while we're doing the podcast because that might have it. That would be a cute look though. It's going to be my thing, you guys. I am so into it. It's going to be my thing as soon as I learn how to do it. I think that would be very excited. Yes. Yeah. Winters coming up. Winter's coming up. Lots of blankets to go around. Well, maybe I'll start with a coaster. But lots of coasters to go around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep it small. I like that. Yeah. But I think that's so cool. And I, love that you're like, you know, it's important to keep your own identity in any aspect, whether it's kids or boyfriend or whatever and have these things. Yeah. I know my mom is really good at that. She's always been like a mother, but also like she used to like, she picked up ballroom dancing and did it for like 10 plus years. She competed.

No way. My dad's not at arts at all. So he didn't go to any of the class. And she was like, well, I'm going to go. And she did it for like 10 plus years. And then it was ballet. That's so cute. She's like 60. And I was like, love it. That's crazy. And now she's in gold. I love that. Good for her. What a good example. I know. Right. I need to follow enough stuff. Yeah. I know. But I do want to say, are you giving yourself enough credit? Because on this call, we learned how much you're working, that you were learning Spanish, that you have a history,

martial arts, like, you're doing more than you realize. Yeah. Thank you. You know. Doing more. Yeah, but like, is that a thing? It totally is. It totally is.

Yeah. I'm always like, I'm not enough. Well, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. Yeah, fostering the hobbies and all of that, but also knowing, like, you're enough, even if you don't pick up a hobby, right? Right? Right.

I don't. You have to see. I don't believe it, but like, yes. Yeah. Yeah. But you are. Everything you've accomplished, you know, like, it's crazy. You know what I love that I read about you? Sure. Is that, and I don't know who you took it away, like who you took from during suicide squad, but like being able to have boundaries and say no.

Like, you know what I'm talking about? Like, you've talked about this. And this is a little bit of a segue, but I just wanted to bring it up because I think it's so important. And I think especially with people who are people pleasers or, you know, even like you thinking that you don't do enough, it kind of plays into that whole kind of world is what made me think of it. Yeah. And the people pleasing and everything. And I love that you were like, oh, no, like you were shown that it's okay to say no. Yeah. I don't think I was good about practicing it from that point on. But I, that was the first time in my life. And I, I, that was the first time in

my life that I saw not just one person, but like several of my friends on that crew. Yeah. Practice saying no. And a lot of times it came from like, no, I don't want to. And that's all the reason that you have to get. You don't have to say anything more. No. Just I don't want to.

It boggled my mind because I was always like, oh, like if I can make it work, level. Like, you know what I mean? And I've always sort of lived my life that way and it might come from my Japanese upbringing. But yeah, it's an interesting thing to practice. And it's good to set boundaries because then you kind of teach people how to treat you the way you want to be treated. And then sometimes it opens a lot more doors that you want opened than like. like what's already in front of you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's such a good message, you know, and it's hard. I mean, it's still hard for me to do that 42 years old. Like, it's just, yeah, but it is. It's like an act of practice. Yeah.

But so is like telling yourself that you're enough. Yeah. It's all the same thing. Totally. Right. Right. Well, I do think it comes from the same place. Right.

Mm-hmm. Right? Because someone who thinks they are enough knows that they don't have to do extra to be, you know, validated or accepted. Or I think, too, a lot of times with actors that there's this gratitude for their job and for the work that is so extreme compared to other professions because the competition is so wildly insane that actors a lot of time really, like anything. Like, yes, of course, anything because they're just so grateful to have their job that they bend over backwards in a way that's a little bit unnecessary. Do you feel like that was part of it? 100%. And I still have that, right?

I'm not getting, you know, like offers left and right or anything, and I'm still auditioning. And so, yeah, it's a difficult thing. And we're always, like, so grateful for the seat at the table. table. So grateful to have this opportunity because we just know that like there are other I've been I haven't been chosen in the past. And so to be yeah, yeah, it's definitely a mind fuckery things. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And it does something to your like confidence in a way as well. And I'm working through it for sure. I am not perfect and I

like I still feel that way but I'm seeing a lot of my friends that are in different industries right like we're entering our late 20s, early 30s and a lot of my friends in other industries are like I know I'm the shit like I know that

I can do this case. I know that I can like perform and they're lucky to have me and if they don't want me they don't want me but I I'm confident in the skills that I have and I'm always like yeah you go girl I wish I could be like you right yeah and it's so true it's such a fucked thing yeah you know yeah yeah yeah interesting well psychologically it does something to you knowing there's three million people waiting in line just reading you know I read an amazing article about someone that, you know, was told like your number X on the call sheet and that's all you'll ever be. Something along those lines.

What? Yeah. And he left and went on to create his own stuff that became incredibly successful. But the message in that to me is we can't let other people determine our worth no matter what person. profession it is, whether it's a relationship, whether it's a profession, whether it's working, whatever it is, the minute we let someone else determine who we are, we suffer. And so I feel like a lot of the people that are drawn to the entertainment industry and acting or see any of these professions have a deeper need to learn this lesson, right? They wouldn't be in this because

there's a huge lesson in it. And no one's immune. to it. Yeah. Yes. No. Yeah. Yeah. And if we are, I'm like, what's wrong with you? Yeah. No. Yeah. There is, there's something about you're allowed to have boundaries and be humble at the same time. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. And I don't think that that's really taught. I think you're taught to be grateful, be humble. But how do you teach to be grateful, grateful, and how? humble and have boundaries. That doesn't mean you're a bitch. It doesn't mean you're difficult.

It doesn't mean you're going to lose your job. And like, what does that mean if you do lose your job? Like, if we're really honest with ourselves, if we're sacrificing who we are to have it, like, is it really what's best for us and having that faith that there's something better? Yeah. Right. Right. It's particularly tough in that.

Yes. Industry. It is. Yeah. It is. We've talked about it before. It's like you always have to be like, but I'm super grateful, but I'm super grateful. But if you want to like say anything about anything, like it always has to be prefaced with that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it is. It's such a fucked thing. Oh my God. Why? Why do we do? What we do? But when it's great, it's great. When it's great, it's fucking great. The high and the lows are low, I would say. I know. It's so, it's so true. And it's so true. And it's so true. And it's. It's so true. And it's. It's so true. And it's. It's. It's so true. And it's. It's. It's. It's. so hard and this whole like new world of like the self tape and the this and then that and it's just like it's weird it's like we're oh you guys it's like so the future and it's just robots because you don't talk to anybody you don't hear from anybody and you just send things out into

like the ether verse that's what's called ether first i don't know it either i don't know the ether ether ether you heard it here first okay i'm off on a tangent you got to reel me back Oh, I like it. We love it. Let's ask some fun questions. Oh, let's do it. All right, you go first, Lou. Okay, doky, artichoke.

Wait, how did you do meet? Can we ask? Valley girls growing up. Yeah. Oh, okay. Like, since we grew up together. No work or anything. Oh, no, no.

Oh, my gosh. No, like high school. Yeah. I love that. That's so cool. Okay. All right. What would be your death row last meal?

Oh, I know, baby. I love a sea urchin and, you know, sushi all around that it would be my sea urchin. My mom's home cooking. She makes some, like, bomb dumplings, and she does, like, sourplum chicken wrap thing. My grandma makes this, like, really cool egg roll. I think those are. That sounds really good. Where's your favorite sushi in Illinois?

Yeah. Or is it a secret? No, it's not a secret. My family friend runs it. It's called Mosa Kazu. It's near Westwood. Oh. And it's a tiny little hole in the wall, but like that cute. I think it might be like an eight-seater. It's phenomenal. It's really good. Awesome. Good to know. Love that. You got to try that. Who do you think is the funniest person alive or dead? Oh, alive or dead. Yeah, anyone. I've been loving Ali Wong and Tiffany Haddish. Yeah. Oh, yes. I loved it. Tiffany was on here.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we're going to get her back. I know. I saw her, I mean, I obviously watched her Netflix specials, but I also watched, like, went to go see her live. And she just is, she's funny, but she doesn't, she's, she's, she's, she's, positive, right? And so, and she doesn't, like, make jokes out of someone's expense, which I respect.

Like, I think that's really cool for her to do. Yeah. Agreed. I love that. The choices. Is there one thing you wish you could tell your younger self? Do it now. Yeah. And it brings... Surf. Literally. Surf. Lave the piano. No, that's what I mean. I mean. I, like, I, I, if I bought a guitar when I was 18 years old, it's still collecting dust and I've tried to pick it up many times. Hard is really hard. It is. And so, in my opinion, I don't make it look very easily. And I do you have small. I do have small. I need to. I have small. It's hard. I know it's hard. I actually, like, I think I have to get a smaller guitar. It's like this. I got a small, I got like a three quarter. My daughter took up guitar and I'm like, I'm going to learn with her. I still haven't. Yeah. Same thing. But yeah. But it's lower. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to get a smaller. Not that I've done it. But yeah, do it now. Do it now. Travel the world.

Yes. Pick up a hobby. Do it now. Moved in New York. Do it all. What's something people would be surprised to learn about you? Oh. I was trying to think.

I feel like I'm pretty open. I'm pretty much an open book. So it's hard to find some surprises. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. I'm the same. Oh, when I was a kid, I used to be really incredibly shy. Really?

Yeah. incredibly shy. Really? Yeah. Interesting. I think my dad talks about this proud moment that he had. Aw. He said one time we went to a restaurant and it was with all his coworkers and I was really

young, probably like two or three or four. And he said, I just like said hi to everyone on my own and I was like, hi and introduce myself and it sounds like such a small thing. Hopefully get it. It was a big moment. Yeah, it was a big moment for me. Yeah. And that's really sweet. I think growing up, I don't, I think I'm more extrooted than introverted nowadays, but, yeah, I don't know when that switch happened. Yeah. I wonder if like working or, you know, just having to be. Maybe. I don't know. Meeting so many people. Who knows? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. I feel you on that. Okay. You're ready for this one. You're going down for a murder. You didn't commit. You have the chance to frame the. You have the chance to frame. someone to get out of it. Who do you frame? Oh my goodness. Who do I frame? Yeah. Oh my gosh. I know. That's a hard one. It is hard. I don't even know what I would say. That's a dark. That's dark. It's so dark. It's dark. It could be like, you could do like an easy out, like a fictitious villain or something. You know what I mean? Like, oh yeah, yeah. Or a real person.

I mean, if it was on my show, I would probably like film or not. Or not. I mean, if it was on my show, I would probably like, film or not. I would probably frame Homelander because we want to take him down. But if it was me in real life, I think I would plant it on my best friend because she's a lawyer. So she could defend herself? Yeah. I'd be like, you can get out of it. I know. If you could go on one reality show, what would it be?

Ah, there was a show called Terrace House. It was a Japanese reality show. which looked fun. And I think there's some like Korean ones that are really cool. There was one where they like go on an island and like it's very like survivor-esque. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I could see you like totally. Yeah. Doing, I'm winning. I think I'm really bad. I'm not competitive at all, like whatsoever. And so I wouldn't be good on those reality shows where I have to like genuinely fight another person in order to get what I want.

Yeah. I would just like back out immediately. I'd be like, oh, I don't care. Okay. Let's move on. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

I mean, yes. I'm like, go ahead. I'll take a step back. You're good. Yeah, exactly. Like, you go for it. You go for it. I mean, it's cool.

Like, go ahead. Get on the next train. Yeah. Um, I'm, oh, I can't. Oh, my dog. Your love is blind. Oh, my God. Oh, hey.

That would be so cool. I love watching it. I know. I love watching it. I don't know if I'm good at it, though. You'd be great at it. Yeah, I will. You would ask a really good question.

I feel like. Yeah, I would be like coming in with a notebook of questions. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So fun. We had so much fun having you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're the best. And Lou couldn't be here, but she's. I know. At least you're on a computer. We'll have to.

to do some like girl's night or something. For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. We need to keep us coat. Oh my God. It's broad cupid. We got it. Yeah. It's like a, you know, we got that. We got it. We got to go. We'll like set me up on a.

Yeah. How about love is not blind? Love is not blind. Yeah. Because we can see it and we're going to share it. Love with glasses. Yeah. Love is for. My glass. What do they call?

Binoculars. Yeah. Okay, guys, you got to just coming off. No, we have to do a girl's date just so we can go through your ride. Oh, my God. It's so fun. Yeah, we have to hear how to come out. Let's do it. Let's do it. I wish you were here right now. We can do it right now. I'm jealous. I'm jealous. I'm like, I know. It's my favorite game. It's our favorite. We're like, oh, my God, it's so much fun. I do it for my friends. Because it's like low steps when you're right. Of course. If it's not you, you're like, oh, totally. Keep going. Bye. I'd know who your friends would. Yes. And then you have to talk them into some. You're like, hold on, hear me out.

That's you. She's always trying to talk into. I need this. I need this. All right. I'm going to stop us now. I mean, I'm not to stop recording. Hey.

Hey. How much did everybody miss Rob? Please respond in DMs or comments on broad ideas, Instagram. Thanks. You want me to? Respond? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, let's hear it. So much. On a scale. How much did you miss us? So much. None. No, but like honestly.

You love coming here. Yeah, you love us. Yeah. I was busy, so it wasn't. The enthusiasm. Do you love us? So much. Okay, can we talk about something really quick?

Always. Are you guys familiar with New Guard and Old Guard? What? Yeah. Like a mouth device? No. New guard and old guard? Yeah, it's a terminology for like when people don't want to see you kind of like change or grow or thrive because they've known you for so long it's called old guard.

Like they're the old guard trying to keep you the same. And then there's people that come into your life that are more. Like one is silver, but the other's gold. You know? So then there's new guard where people are like, hey, open the gates, new guard. but the old guard is like, no, no, no, no, got to keep it the same. Where did you hear these terms? George Griffin.

Oh. And what was the other one you heard from him? Cuckling. Is that it? Cuckolding. Cuccolding. That's like when you watch your partner. Rob knows that.

Word. Do you like it? No, not for me. Do you like it? Yeah. Do you like it? Okay. Do you have any people in your life that are old-garde?

Explain it to me again? Yeah, I'm still not really fully following. Like an old friend? No, it's not about being old friends. It could be old ways of thinking even that just don't fit with the new version. You know, because we're always changing and growing and people kind of want to hold you to a standard of yourself that you may have used to be. So even if you're doing something different, they'll be like, no, you are the same. way and you're like, but I'm not anymore.

Like, I've changed or grown, but they want to hold you to a certain way of being that you used to be. Right. People that keep you small is what old art is. Not well, and to keep you in your original carnation of what they knew you as.

Got it. And aren't supportive of your growth? I mean, is it always negative? Or is it just like you could have a childhood friend that, like... It's not always negative. It's just old guard. That you like click into and like we feel like kids again when we're together. Yeah.

And sometimes I think that you also revert back to old ways of being when you're with those people because you're like, this is the dynamic we formed. So when I'm with them, I click into that. Well, or like your family and siblings. Yeah. Like I feel like you kind of click into Old Guard. Yeah. Do you?

Yeah. What does it look like? I don't know. What does it look like when you guys are all sitting in your parents' living room? We don't do that. We stand? No, everyone's like kind of spread out, so that doesn't really... Ever happen?

You guys don't do family gatherings? Holidays? Like holidays and stuff? No. What? What? I don't understand that. You know, I don't go.

Everyone's in Chicago. We don't go back during the holidays. Why don't you go back during the holidays? Never? Jesus loves you, Robert? Just traveling during the holidays with two. two small children to then like... They come out here.

Your parents come out. Parents, but not like... The whole family. Why don't you invite the whole family? They won't come out here. Why? Some of them can't afford it. Some of them, they don't have places to stay.

You wouldn't fly them out? I was like a nice brother. Fly out 30 people. Are there 30 in your immediate family? I think you might need to go to Chicago. I like going to Pittsburgh for the holidays. And we've done it the whole time with, it's like cold and it feels like, you know. Everyone's married with kids, so they're all like splintered off to, even when we were there this

summer, like, people are far away and not everyone's coming together at one time. And holidays is the same where like my sister's at her brother-in-law's house instead or my brother's at his wife's house. So it's... Your brother, wait, at his wife's house? At his wife's family. family's house. Like, it's not that everyone's coming together. It's her house. Let's be clear.

So, yeah, no, we don't, we don't ever have, like, everyone's back together. Okay. Do you? Yeah. Totally. But they're all out here? All my family or all my friends are, what? Family, we're talking family, right? Yeah, them all over. I have them all over. Yeah. But then we'll go to Jeff's and do his family, too. So we usually break up either Thanksgiving, Christmas, or switch off, or have them all here. It will be people everywhere, sleeping everywhere, like, cozy.

Yeah. I mean, you know, our move. Our move for the holidays is go somewhere that family's not. Yeah, you'll take a trip. We go to Texas or whatever. We go see friends, but we sneak away, like, on Christmas Day, when travel's not crazy. I don't know if we'll do that again because getting back from Seattle, like right after New Year's was a nightmare.

The airport was insane. The airports are next level. So do you have Old Guard or can you identify it? I'm having trouble with this one. You are? Can you explain it to me again? Kind of. You have different versions of yourself, yeah?

Sure. Like through the years? I just don't understand if it's like, pinpointing people that old guard you? Or if you are old guard? It's both. That's why it's confusing. Like, for instance.

Let's remove, I think you're mostly thinking of like a toxic version of this. It doesn't have to even be that toxic. It can just be they know you a certain way and they still hold you to that. And you're like, but. Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. Well, or it can be a fun thing that you like, like into how you were as a teenager

one year with someone, and they bring that out of you? Like, do you have that? Do you have anything? No. Do you have anything for it? Anything to contribute? I think the word for it,

for both of them, is weird. It's like... Because guard is in the word, so it feels closed off. Yeah, but... It's a medieval term, I think. It is. It's like... So it's guard as in like...

watchers. Yeah. Right. I know. Not guard like... I know that. And I knew it was like guarding, yes, I understand. But I'm just saying, hearing the term,

it doesn't make you think of like positive things. It breaks your brain. Yeah. Well, I don't think it's, it's not negative as much as it is... You know? Old guard. Old guard. To me it made sense.

I was like, oh, that's a great... Like, I get that. I feel like I can be like that sometimes with my brother, where it's like my bratty side will come out. Or, you know, like, I'm holding him to a version of him that I knew growing up and not really giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's evolved from that right. I think it's really easy to have you happen with siblings and family.

100%. I think it's a little different with friends. Because you guys. you guys have seen how you evolve and you probably know each other at a more personal level too than even your brother. For sure, but we've also,

the thing is, is that we support each other's growth and help each other grow versus, I think because we're with each other so much there's no space for the gap where it's like, oh, you've changed. That feels weird to me. It's like when you're with your kid every day

and other people see them after a while and they're like, oh my gosh, they grew and you're like, really? Exactly. I'd also guess you guys kind of grouped together in the same direction. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Yes. It was a friend that you were growing apart. You just wouldn't keep those ties and they're just not in your life anymore. There are friends like that. There are friends like that for sure.

So no matter how you splinter and Rudolph, you have to still have them in your lives. But also, I have friends that I've like parted, not parted ways, but like just aren't in each other's everyday life. And they're not going to know me in the way you do, but they know the old version of me and it still feels good to be around them because it's like you remember who you are with those people. And you're like, oh, yeah. Old guard. I'd written a list of things, but they all feel so old now. Three weeks ago. Old guard. Old guard. With your old guard. So Vinny has been noticing cameras and devices all over the place. Because you have a lot in your house?

No, like when we go out places. Like, Mari's got cameras in the corners. He gets, like, very anti-surveillance state. And, like, calls it a robot and then says he doesn't like it. And then, like, he's pointing out of the cameras about at, like, a restaurant. He's doing the same thing, too. And he started turning around, like, our Google. devices in the house too

that have screens in cameras? Because he doesn't He knows something we don't. This is some past life shit. I don't want this. That's the old car shit. That is like past life CIA operative not going to get me. Yeah.

Spy baby. Yeah. He's on to some shit. He's onto something. He's CIA. And then he also, because I take him tomorrow every morning and we're waiting for our drinks and they'll yell out

like people's names that are getting drinks before us. He's started yelling them after the barista. That's cute. So he'll just start yelling people's names. Like what? Show us. We'd just be like Jenny.

They'll yell out like Jenny for a coffee and he'll just be like, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny. Makes everyone in the coffee shop laugh. That's really good. He'll do like three or four times too before our drinks come out. Aw. Does he get a drink? No. I heal sometimes they've got little water cups that are like mini coffee ones so they've even got like the little lid. So he gets a water? With water. Yeah. What about frosty milk? Do you give briar stuff when you guys go

get milk coffee? He doesn't normally drink room. I mean he will though. But I mean we don't buy real milk. It's like oat or something. He's got oat or soy or. Do you buy Breyer stuff if you go to get coffee with her? Yeah, of course. What do you get her? She loves steamed milk and she puts raw sugar just a little on the top. That's her favorite. Yeah.

Everything at Starbucks, because we'll go to Starbucks, like almost, not everything, but almost every drink has caffeine. Even the fucking, like, lemonade, whatever. It does. The asai one? Yes. Oh, you have to get it without the assayee. Whatever. Or like the dragon fruit lemonade, which you would.

would think, like, why is there caffeine in that? Anyway, I have a frustration with that. Yeah, I don't... They don't get drinks. Like, they'll occasionally get to pick out like a pastry, but I don't open that door of him expecting a drink every morning when we go there. Yeah. Yeah, it's a problem in my life. They get something. Oh. They always want... Yeah. Cookie milk. How many... What's cookie milk? Just chocolate milk. I just get them like a kid's cup of chocolate milk, which is not great. but they make it like half the dose, you know, dose, whatever.

How many times have you gone for ice cream this week? Actually, I haven't gone to ice cream all this week. About last week. I can't even remember yesterday. We went to salt and straw. It was really good. What's your favorite flavor? There?

Yeah. You know what I got? I got like a, this was a weird pick, but it was like a roasted peach, white chocolate, something. You have me at roasted. Peach. Yeah, it was really good. I love a roasted, grilled, anything, peach. Yeah, it was delicious. Really good move. I like salt and straw.

I like salt and straw a lot. I don't love ice cream. There's one right around the corner from our Airbnb. They had some banana flavors, though. It was like fried chicken. They'd go all out. I was like, why would anyone want that? Did you try it? No. Did you know McConnell's was doing a Seas Candy collab? Yeah, I had it.

Oh, all of them? Yes. Yeah. Are you crazy? Yeah. Okay. How many times did you go to ice cream by your Airbnb? Okay. I want on a, sorry. Yeah, no, do it.

No, I was saying sweets. I went on a baking frenzy, but that's not interesting. Yeah, I saw that. What did you bake? Briar was homesick for a whole day weekend. Mm-hmm. And I went ham on baking. You baked to ham?

You baked to ham. No. I did this banana bark. I'm calling it banana bark. Do you still have some? I do. You need to try it. Okay.

It's so good. banana peanut butter yes chocolate sea salt frozen amazingness where did you get the recipe

Instagram I get everything for Instagram I baked two different kinds of muffins I baked baked baked vegan gluten-free cookies do you still have that

he's right there oh on the table I didn't know anyway I made two different soups a chili I mean I was all cooking and baking

that's all I was doing because I was just home It was very lovely. Shortbread I made. That's a really, you know, I really like how you entertain yourself and do that. It's very, I love it. That's not a kind of condescending. I don't mean.

I know, I know. I made brownies too. It sounded a little bit. No, I'm like, I wish I would even, it doesn't even occur to me to be like, oh, we're home sick. I'm going to bake, you know? We were just home. It was my, like, favorite hobby. It's a great hobby.

I want to eat your hobby today. You may eat my hobby every day. You were going to say something when I interrupted about my baking. No, I was just going to ask if you get a cone or a cup when you get your ice cream. I get a regular cake cone. I don't love ice cream, but if I do, I get a kid. And I have to get a kid scoop, so there's not too much ice cream, so I can get to the cone faster with the cone ice cream combo.

That's what I do, too. I do waffle cone with like... Oh, waffle. Kids scoop. Small of a scoop. as possible. It really throws them off because when we go with Vincent,

at first he was just eating the cone, but then he wanted ice cream. And I don't want a real scoop in there. He makes a huge mess of it. So I just want to the top of the cone filled. And they just don't know what to do with that, usually. I'm always like, too much, too much, too much. Yeah, the tiniest amount of ice cream,

just so he can eat the cone and have a little bit of ice cream. And they're like, it's still a huge scoop on top. They just are so confused by it. I liked that place we went to. Where did we go? When? That day that we... Oh, handles.

Yeah. Handles is good ice cream. But if I really get down, I like, you know it. A banana. Yeah. Well, at 31 flavors or Baskin Robbins, it's called a banana royale. Because it's like a banana split, but it's in a cup, and the bananas are cut up. But that's what you got at handles.

Yeah, I had them make it. talk to them about it. How did that talk go? So at 31 flavors, they do this thing. I had a whole conversation. It was delicious. You guys, Shepard did his first, I could die. He did his first homework yesterday.

Did you help him? Yeah, but he did it. He did his homework. I meant like, did you do it because normally. No, it was just like tracing. Yeah. He did his homework. It's a big day.

That's big day. And then he got his first wiggly tooth. I was like, you are growing up. Big day. Aw. You've watched the boys, right? Yeah. You haven't.

It's really good. I don't watch anything, so it's not anything personal. I mean, it seems personal and, like, you don't watch it. I don't watch anything. Okay. Well, I think we were going to have a. Except Instagram. Have you watched the new season?

Not yet. It's good. Is it? It's a good show. It's a great show. Have you watched Gen V yet? Do you like it? Yeah.

They're making a spin-off too with Aya. Yeah, and Jensen Ackles. They're doing Stormfront and his character. That's so cool. They're like prequel story. Okay, love you. All right. It's been real.

Going to go old guard some shit. That was a hate gum podcast.