Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Katie Lowes on Understanding the Assignment

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

Rachel and Olivia catch up with Katie Lowes about her new show The Hunting Wives, how she approaches big conversations with her kids, and fun memories from past sets.Hunting Wives spoilers around 26 minutes. Watch this episode on YouTube!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyThis is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi, welcome to broad ideas. Hello. Thank you. I really appreciate the hello. Olivia taking a big sip right at the intro. She's just shagging away. I didn't know we started. She's fuel-houser.

Fueling up. Yeah. We have Katie Lowe's today. So much fun. Who is so fun. Really, really a good time, that lady. She really is. She really is.

Yeah. She's in the hunting wives, which is like one of the biggest shows out right now. It really, that really is. Yeah. And she kills it. Yes. Yes. She sure does.

And spoiler alert, if you're listening and haven't finished the hunt She tends to go into great detail. Well, I don't even know if she goes into great detail, but there's a spoiler. I'll put a part in the description of like roughly where that convoy is if you don't want it spoiled. Great. But also you can rush to watch it because it's really good. You could just finish the series. Yeah, pause now.

Binge it. Yeah. Then come back. I made the mistake of not finishing my binge and she finished a bunch of. finished it for me. So I'm still going to watch it, though. It's a very, very entertaining show. And almost as entertaining as Katie, but not quite because she's the best. So let's hear her. And how does it feel for you to be best friends now with us? I'm so thrilled. Okay. I have been trying to get to you through Nicole Chavez for 100 years. We all share, well, she's your

No, she styled you on... She worked on the O.C. Oh, my God. I know. She did costumes on the O.C. And that's how we met. And then, like, the first year, she was like, you know what? I want to be a, like, I want to do styling.

Can you be my first client? And I was like, yeah. Isn't that crazy? Changed her life. Are we recording right now? Yeah. Okay, good. So shout out to Nicole Chavez.

Shut out. Rachel stylist, your stylist, bestie friend, travel, workout. All of it. Family vacay, workout, love. And then she's been with K-Bel forever because I introduced them as, and then she was her, I feel like she was her second client. Oh my God. Don't quote me on that.

I think she was. She probably was. Anyway. I met her. I was taking meetings with stylists and she was very pregnant with her third. Oh, wow. And I was like, this is the girl for me. You know what I mean?

Like I just was like, get ready for this journey. Like I'm going to be pregnant a bunch times. Everything is going to look different. Like we just have to, this is going to be like a job. Like my, you know, I fluctuated so much of the last however many years we've worked together, like boobs and stomach and all of it. Well, but she just knows her shit. She knows her shit. I know.

It's savant. Totally. Well, she knows her shit. It really is. Because when she told us about you, she was like, oh, obsessed with Katie. And like, the second we met you, we were like, oh, yeah. Yeah, she did. She's like, you guys are going to be obsessed with her.

She's the absolute best. I've never met anybody like her in my life. No. And you know, this is, okay, so we used to also, early days of styling, we used to share this amazing trainer deep in the valley. And as part of your training, I don't even know if this is interesting or just whatever, but he would give you like a gym name. And that was like your alternate ego when you came in the gym and you were just there to like fuck shit up. Okay. And like leave it at the door.

Like leave it. Like you punch stuff and you slap stuff and you run and you do all stuff, which is like so Nicole because she's so hardcore. Yeah. So mine was obviously drama. Bring that drama. But Nicole's, and he was amazing at this, was truth. Because Nicole doesn't have any, like, this is what makes her such an incredible stylist. It's not even that, it's just like yes or no.

Like, she shoots straight from the hit. Shoot straight. I don't know any girl like it. I love it. No, you're right. It's so refreshing. Yeah, truth and drama. RIP, we don't work out there anymore.

Well. Yeah, no, she does now. Oh, yeah, you guys are together. Not there. Not there. You have your brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you work out with your brother. At 5 o'clock in the morning. Listen. You have small children. How are you doing this? She's not happy about it. I don't like it. So why are you doing it? Because you look so great. And you're strong.

No, thank you. Are you over 40? Yeah, I'm 45. Fuck. You look. Doesn't you look amazing? I feel like for all the women watching, everything after 40 changes, your doctors speak to you so differently about health. It's so jarring to me. Like 39 and a half, I never, and now it's 40. It's like, you better be lifting weights and you better be eating 150 million milligrams of protein a day and like, how are you warding off osteoporosis? And uh-oh, perimenopause, here we go. You're just dying. Yeah. We knew we were, but 40 takes a hard left turn and like not fun.

And now you're working out all the time. It used to be to like maybe be hot in like a bathing suit. Now it is literally about just staying alive. Being able to lift. grocery bags. Oh, I'm like working on grip strength. Like, I'm like, just because I just have images of my granny, like she couldn't open anything, you know, like all their throes. So I'm like, there with kettlebells. I'm like, I'm working on grip strength. I'm no longer working on like an ab or butt. Do you have a weighted vest? Of course I have a weighted vest. Do you wear it? I do. Do you, Rachel? I got sent one. Yay. I know. I haven't worn it yet. Come from a walk with me. I'm just like a old lady in the valley. Like I have my weighted vest so much done.

screen huge hat. I love it. Oh yeah. I'm a 15 pound weighted vest. I mean, it's just, and you listen to a podcast. Broad ideas. And that's how I work out now. I kind of like it better, though, because I really hated the cardio. We're really close to each other, by the way. So we should go walk. Anytime you walk. Yeah. Waited vest walk all day. I'm not close, but I'll walk there. But you'll come. You'll come. And I think you're close. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. That's what everyone says in L.A. It's going the opposite direction. It's going the opposite direction. I don't even know what direction goes when where.

It's just a terrible. It goes. Did you both grow up here? Yes. I know. Crazy. It's not normal. I mean, we talk about moving every day.

You do. Yeah, that's part of living here, I think. But our family's here. Like, we're not actually going anywhere. No. Your parents are here. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you go to public school? I did until high school. And then you were just a working actor. No, then I was just a private school. Yeah, the Catholic private school. Notre Dame? Yeah. Oh, I feel like I'm going to send my kids there.

Oh, really? Shout out Notre Dame. I feel like I mean, I don't know if we'll still be here, honest. Like, we say this too. I've lived here for 20 years. I've been with my husband for 19 years. Wow. I know.

That's long. And we're East Coasters. Like, I'm from New York. My husband's from Philly. And we know this because of the pretzels. Yes, the pretzel company. Shout out Shappy pretzels. He's going to have to do gluten-free.

Oh, we've tried. It doesn't work. Disgusting. It's really bad. I feel like if he could crack the code of a gluten-free Philly soft pretzel, I would be a billionaire. Like a literal billionaire. I kind of have faith that he can do it. My mom's from Philly, so I'm very serious about the soft pretzel. So like that's why I'm in the worst. Yeah. Oh, your mom's from Philly? Yeah. I love that. Well, he needs to, he tried it a few times and he's slacking. But he's been really busy building my kids this like, it's so silly. But he's building like this, they call it a secret base. There's no basements in Lod. Angeles, which is weird. That's for earthquakes or whatever. But on the East Coast, you grew up with a carpeted basement filled with old furniture and crappy toys and the kids get thrown down there. It's the best. It's the best. They're done. The parents are upstairs, drinking, having fun, and the children are downstairs. So my husband built like a room in our garage. It's just plywood walls, but there's like a TV, a mini fridge, cute. Bean bag chairs, whatever. So he is doing that, but he should be working on a gluten free zone. Because the other one's not going to make us anymore. That's not going to make you a billion dollars, then we tell you.

Unless. My kids are four and seven. Oh. I know. And I had never, um, this show that I have out right now that is. Yeah, we need to talk about it. It's really bananas. Did you watch it?

So I told you. You did, do you text me? I did text you. I didn't finish it yet. I think I'm like four episodes in, but I text Katie because I'm on the airplane. Oh, so you haven't seen the full, full, full, front. Oh, that's right. And you haven't seen the full frontal.

There's full frontal. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait, male or female? Both? Both. Both. Both. What? Oh, yeah. Well, anyway, here's my point. I'm flying back with my daughter.

I warned you. Trigger warning to everyone watching this, not on a plane. We're talking about the hunting wives, okay? Yeah. We were fortunate enough to be in pots on our way back. So my daughter wasn't next to me, so I didn't have. But still, I angle my iPad away from her, right? And I'm thinking, like, I don't know what's going to come on this screen.

Cut to the flight attendant coming up to ask you what you would like to drink. I shit you not. There's a bare-ass blowjob happening on my iPad as she approaches my seat. And I'm like, and I'm thinking in my head what these flight attendants must see. Yeah.

Like our show has obviously some softcore porny vibes. Yeah. But I think people like watch some real shit, I think. I mean, they must see it all. I mean, they have it all. They did make me think about it. Like how much do they see?

But that's actually happening a couple time. People actually have sex on planes. Isn't that like a thing? You've never. No, have you? No, I mean. You have you? No, I'm kidding. No, I haven't. Wait, you really haven't. I am such a Oh, okay. You have? No. You weirdo. That would be amazing though. Like, I would be like, and like, I didn't know, that's even we're playing never, have I ever with coffee. Yes. I've never had sex on a plane. I've never done,

I've heard of people laying down a blanket and there's just like some fondling going on. Oh, like, over their laugh. This is what I've heard of. I have not partoken. Laying down a blanket. Like if you're sitting next to each other, over their lap. So they can like a little like third base. Third base action. Huh. I've never needed it that bad.

Yeah, no. You know what I've never been like I need it now. In my sweats with my book and like my show. I would never. Like leave me alone. I think people are doing it to like check it off the list. Sure. Sure.

I love that this is. Is there somewhere that's what we're talking about? Of course that's what we're talking about. That's weird? Yeah. Oh, yes. I've had like a. couple public interactions like 20 years ago.

Okay. Like with my, this is getting deep. But I hated it. Like what I learned from that experience was that's not my thing. That is some people's kink, I have heard. Like they're into the fear of it and like, sure, I don't understand.

I have to be in a completely safe, relaxed setting. Yeah. With perfect lighting. Like absolutely fucking perfect lighting. And there has to be a bathroom stop before and after. Oh, yeah. because I'm over 40 and I'm not messing around. By the way, I'm, this is with my husband.

And he knows. Like, he knows. Of course. It would be weird if it, after 19 years, he didn't know. He's like, why. He's well aware. He's well aware. Yeah, no, before and after.

You got to take care of your shit. You have to have great lighting. That's why I'm in pain right now, guys. She has a kidney infection from a bladder infection because her husband cannot stop meeting sex, like, every single day. You know, Kelly Rippa said something. He needs sex every day. He does. But no.

Look at your face. I think that's better than the other alternative, though. Because I'm also very blessed in this arena. My husband is. Yeah, no. He has a lot that of like, he just has a lot of testosterone and it's great. But I also have friends who are like, oh yeah. Like they haven't had, like in a sexless marriage or like no one's getting it up.

And I'm like, that doesn't sound good. No. But Kelly Rippa said something recently that I love. Oh, maybe I'd say. Did you? I love her. I do too. Love.

She said in front of her husband, if Mark and I were not to work out for some reason and I'd have to remarry, it would be really important that the man has erectile dysfunction. That is so. And a billion dollars. Yeah, I thought I was like, yes, Kelly. I feel you. You feel her as you're struggling with the kidney infection. Are you on? She's struggling for like three weeks, right?

It's my fourth time. On different antibiotic? Yeah. It's not working. So no antibiotic strain is working. Okay, next question, because I have struggled in this department as well. Have you gone to like a urologist? I have to go to the urologist.

I went to the hospital. Did you have a fever? I had, did I have a fever? I feel like you did. Yeah. And low blood pressure. They were like, you have to go to the hospital right now. You were like poisoning yourself.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because you know what this buys you, though, is like you should not be having sex right now. Oh, I haven't. But guess what? Thank God. I've got to be like that's more. Oh, no.

It doesn't get her off the hook. She has to do other things. Yeah. Bless him. Yeah. That's his heart. He'll be like your hands aren't broken. Have you guys been together?

I'm so impressed by this human being. Like, wow. How long have you been together? And how old is he? He's 52. Have you told your kids yet what sex is? Yes. And was that with a book or with a how did you?

I got the book. This is not historic? No, Nicole told me to get it. Oh, texting her immediately. after this. Elliot was like, this is going to take forever. Just tell me.

And he's like, I don't want the book. Just tell me. So we just... Had he asked, had been asking? I think he asked how people got pregnant and we explained the whole sperm. Yeah, there's a sperm. My son calls it spearm.

Yeah. But then he wanted to know what sex was. He was like, but what sex? And we're like, oh, geez, here's a book. And he's like, don't... He's got such, like, wit and wisdom that he's like, This is beneath me.

Just shoot me straight. What is it? Right, right, right, right. You guys. So what did you say? A penis goes inside a vagina. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

And he goes, hey, yo. You know, every time anything happens, he's like, hey, yo. They both do. But you guys, today, this kid, I tell you. What? Last, yesterday, pick him up from school. He's like, so there's a new girl. school and I'm like, okay. And he's like, I want to ask her for her number. And I was like,

have you ever talked to her? How old is he? Nine. I said, have you ever talked to her? He's like, no. I said, why don't you talk to her first? Get to know her. And he's like, I just want to ask her for her number. And that's how I'm going to get to know her. And I was like, okay, turns out she has a boyfriend that's one of his friends from school. They're nine. I am not ready for this. This is raising kids in L.A., though, guys. This is like, oh, I think I had boyfriends at three. I think I had boyfriends at I mean, I started early. I started early, too. Oh, God.

He was shaking today. His mees were buckling. To ask for the number? Yeah, I said, you don't have to do it. Why are you doing this? He said he doesn't care. He wants to get to know. And I was like, I mean, swag.

Dude. He goes, what's the worst that's, what's the worst that can happen? She says no. God, he is. Oh, my God. Confident. But he's not like outgoing. No.

He's like shy. Yeah, he's a shy kid. Except when it comes to this, apparently. So he pointed out the. girl and she's so dang. She looks like a young like Jenna Ortega. Oh, so cute. Dead. Unreal. I can't. Anyways. Well, I'm close. He's like asking and sort of poking around. I mean, there's a lot of things. He's like, are you sure Santa's not just you and daddy? Yeah. I'm like, oh God. Like, we're just approaching eight. So everything's like kind of on the downfall.

He knows about sperm in an egg. You know, he knows about that. But he doesn't know about the act of like love making. And I do not want to say anything about like, it's when you find someone that you're in love with because I don't that's not true. And I feel like it's a lie. And it's definitely not somebody you have to be married to or with at all. Hold on. Speaking of kids, I want to go back to hunting wives, okay? Yeah, me too.

Like, they're going to grow up. They're going to watch. I know. I'm clothed. You are clothed. I'm clothed the whole time. I mean, you're I've got there yet. I'm clothed the whole time. So like, I'm good. Something goes down where you could not be clothed? No, no, no, no. No, no. Just like, there's nothing for me to be embarrassed. Like, I hope that comes, though. Like, I don't care. I'm so

I wouldn't care. Have you ever gotten naked on camera before? Have I? No. The closest was last kiss. Oh, yeah, no. I wore pasties. Have you ever had, okay, so no full nudity. Have you had, like, major simulated sex? I mean, on camera? I wouldn't say major, but it was like a sex scene for sure that I had to watch with my grandfather at the premiere, which was like super awkward.

Wow. And, like, thrusting was involved? It was a good. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was good. Was there a thrusting? I feel like there was a little thrott.

I mean, there was moaning and close up a face. Whoa. Okay. Okay. So I've only had sex scenes on like network shows. So like the minute there's like a thrust, it's a cut. Right. Right. I've still been like in bra and underwear, lots of tongue like all that stuff. This would, but, but I have never done like a real. No. Oh my God. I would be so terrified. Would you do it? Yes. Today. Would you do it right now with us? I mean, I need like a little bit of time. No, I think I would. Like I just feel a little bit odder about like. I don't know. I feel like there's something again, bringing it back to the 40s thing. I just feel like there's a little bit of like I don't care anymore. Same 100%. I just sort of have given up. Like I'm just like, I'm just like, I birthed two babies. Yes. I know it's never going to get any better than this. Let's just rock the shit out. Right. Well, it's also like. And the spray tan does wonders. It's also like once you've been in a hospital with people coming in every 20 minutes and sticking their arm up your vagina. And you're just kind of like, what? And you're just kind of like, what? And then they're like... Not that you have a baby, they just do that. They just do that. And then...

It's the worst. And then you have your boobs out because the baby's like on your breast or not on your breast or trying to get on your breast. Like at that point, you're like, my body is not a sex symbol thing anymore. No. Like you can still use it for sexy stuff. Yeah. But it's not that. Nope.

Yeah. You know? But it is backwards because when you're young and you're like, oh, my boobs look great. Like whatever, you're like, I'm not doing that. And now in your 40s after kids or whatever, you're like, I don't know. You're like, who cares? That's exactly right. Right.

I never would have done it in my 20th series. And also I, like, didn't think I looked great. Now I look back and I'm like, what was my problem? Oh, I was fine. Yeah. That's most women. No to everybody young watching this show. You're fine.

Yeah, do it all. That's your movies early. Not only fine. That's the point of this podcast episode. Yeah. Show them movies. If you have the chance. What are we?

Do you love this? Wait. Did you feel sad? What? That you didn't get to make out with it. any chicks. Or how was that for you? No, I was okay.

Are there more chicks that make out than... Oh, wait. Am I allowed to say that? It's Jamie Riggumann who plays Callie to long red hair. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So there's like two early makeout situations going on. I think that was the last episode I watched where Brittany and...

Mullen had a big thing. I mean, everyone's so... It's so nerve-wracking. Like, and we all lived in the same building like Melrose-Based... Where did you shoot? Charlotte, North Carolina. and Jamie Ray Newman who plays Callie and myself all went about a we went a week early scouted like a bunch of apartment complexes and picked one that had a pool and a gym in the sender was very Melrose placey. And so then we called Brittany and Mullen and Chrissy Metz and George who plays my son and everyone were like, you should all just living the same building.

So we did. It was a fucking blast. So fun. And all of our kids came and it was so, so fun. but they were it was also like it was so fun and then whenever anyone had like a big sex scene it sucked because it was like well I shouldn't go out tonight you know like I'm really nervous about the scene tomorrow because it's stressful it's like okay I'm about to be naked in front of 100 people and change like I have to like it's just it's uncomfortable it's just uncomfortable

I don't think it's it's they got it looks hot and they did an amazing job they did but um I've never found it to be like I just think it's so weird It's like, oh. Also, TV, like, I've always wondered this. Like, okay, let's say you get a scene and you have to do a sex scene and you know it's written in there. You're going to moan. You're going to be enjoying it, whatever. Do you go home and practice that?

No. Okay. I don't know. Definitely not. I have a lot. I have a lot of it. Because, but what if you're like, what if, like, what if in real life it's very different how you are? Do you get what I'm saying?

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Like, if you sound like a banshee. Like, you're trying to be like appropriate on camera or something? Or vice versa. Or if it's like you're not a performative person and then you have to be like all like crazy or you. Yeah. Or the opposite. It's all terrible.

Terrible. That's what I mean. Like it's just all terrible. It's really bad. I think the intimacy coordinator, have you worked with one yet? I haven't. Yes, but it was like a kissing. Oh, yeah.

They're there. If there's any touching at all. They supposedly on Hunting Wives had an amazing. Intimacy Coordinator. Also, every single episode was directed by a woman. Yeah, I saw that. The show's created by a woman. The majority of all our moms. So I just felt like the lens and the gaze of the show was so female-centric, like to shoot a lesbian love scene where a woman is the writer and a woman is a director. Like, I think everybody was so taken care of. And it was like, I mean, I wasn't there, but I can only imagine that everybody felt very held up. And when we all

were hanging out after, everyone, like, had a good experience and all of that. But I can't imagine if I had had to do those scenes where like everybody was a bro. Yeah. Right. Like that, I don't know. I've never done it that way either. But it seems like this was a perfect case scenario for the whole vibe of the show. And it obviously came across because people are loving it.

The lesbian community loves it. The gay community loves it. Do they? Oh, my God. I've never, when we were making the show, I don't think we really exactly knew who the audience for the show was. Like, we were like, is it for conservatives? Is it for liberals? Is it for white? Is it for black? Is it for rich? Is it for poor? Is it for gay? Is it for straight? Like, and everything gray in between? Like, I don't know. And turns out it's for everybody. Because I've never been on a show that

really doesn't have a demographic. My feet is just filled with Texan housewives who were like, you nailed it. That's like what it's like here. I'm like, what? And liberals who feel like, you know, like we're maybe commenting on the world, which we weren't when we did it, but maybe they, that's what their mind is. Or, you know, the lesbian community is so thrilled with the forefront love story being between Margo and Sophie, you know. And then like my gay musical theater boys in New York City who I like worked with, like the show's very campy. So they think it's really fun. So I don't really know. It's like bigger than any of us could have understood. It's based on a book, right? It's based on a book called.

the hunting wives out of totally different ending. Jill lives. Jill lives in the book. Margo's not the killer. There's a bunch of, like, huge plot changes. I started reading the book, and then we were shooting it, and I had to stop reading it. The book is amazing. I hadn't finished the show.

She hasn't finished the show. Yeah. Sorry, I die. No, don't say it. You die. I get shot, but I have a great death scene. It's really fun. I was really fun to get shot.

Who shoots you? Jamie Ray Newman shoots me. What? Who plays Callie? Oh my God. Rachel's such a great actress. Your face is so great. She, yeah, she shoots me.

I guess she starts terrifying. It's bad. I know. I'm available for work. I'm available for work. You know what? That's why I was annoyed, though. I was like, because if they do a season two, we need you.

Where did Brittany's gun go? Brittany's not involved in my death scene, but there's other crazy shit. I don't even know. Like the show is wild. You'll watch it. You have to watch it. I'm available. I think Jill will hope, look, it has sick.

crazily has not even been made official that there will be a season two. I'm very confident there'll be a season two and I love that crew and cast so much they deserve to make that show till the end of days. But you died? It doesn't even make sense without you though. Like who sucks? Who's the preacher's laugh? Well maybe she's got an evil. No, she's probably got a really nice younger sister who has to come help

take care of Brad because they're so upset about Jill dying or I'm a ghost or there's flashback. I don't know. You'll probably be in. I feel like there's so many ghosts in Texas. There's so many ghosts in Texas. Yeah, Brad's flashbacks or dreams. Yeah, they're a whole maybe. And, you know, look, I feel very, I felt very lucky to get the job. It was like auditioning right after the strike had just ended.

It was my second probably auditioned back in the ring. And I auditioned for Callie. Because Callie doesn't die. So everybody was auditioning for Callie. Because Jill, they were like, well, she's only a one-year deal. So, like. Right. But I read the pilot and I was like,

I'm a Jill. I know I'm a Jill. It doesn't even matter that she dies. I just, and I did the Cali tape and I felt really good about my work. And Rebecca Cutter,

the showrunner, was a big scandal fan, which was very nice. But she called and she said, will she make another tape for Jill? And I teased the shit out of my hair and I wore a prudish sort of dress. And I was like,

I think I'm a Jill. But it was really great because Jamie Ray Newman and I have been dear friends for like 20 years. Our kids are at the same school and we're a drop off and pick up. We both knew we were auditioning for Callie. Oh.

And weeks go by. We're very honest. Like, have you had anything? I'm like, God, it's a good. Like, are there any auditions? What do you got? And she was like, so I knew we both made a tape for Callie. And then she kind of pulled me aside.

And she was like, I think I'm going to, I think they're going to offer me Callie. And was trying to be like, of course. And I, of course, I want her to work. And I was like, it's okay. I think they're going to offer me Jill. Oh, my God. Together. That's amazing.

And then we did like 13 round trip flights, something like that between Charlotte and and L.A. We took every Uber together to. to the airport. I mean, she was like my work. That's your girl. My work husband and work wife. She's fantastic, too.

You both are. She's, yeah. Everybody is. It's the best. Oh, wow. What acting class. It's called Nancy Banks. Oh, I remember.

It's an incredible class. I can't shout out to Nancy Banks. She's amazing. I mean, I think it's like a 300 person 15 year waiting list or something like that. Oh, wow. Wow. But it's a great class because it's very much working actors and getting back to business basics. It's only.

scenes. It's only like three hard for hard theater scenes. Everyone rehearses outside of class. They bring in props and costumes and go to like rent. You know, you're doing dangerous liaisons or Shakespeare or O'Neill or whatever. And that's the shit I grew up on. So I, I love that class. But Jamie and I have been dear friends for a long time. And I just think I was just talking to her today. I was like, do you like she walks differently as Callie and I walk differently as Jill. And I make fun of her all. I just know her so well and I, it was such a fun. We had a really good time making that show. I think you can tell. I don't see how you couldn't. We had really honky-tonged all the time. Oh my gosh. Which by the way, I knew, oh yeah, that in the first episode, there's a,

there's a scene at a lion dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coyote Joe's. That's a real place in Charlotte, probably if it's 500 people on the dance floor, if not more. The parking lot is like the size of, I mean, it's huge. Like Disneyland. Yes. And you go from like, like, six to eight you learn all the steps. I love it. From eight till two, three o'clock in the morning, I mean, you better know your shit. And people are full on. Kick you off the dance floor.

You can't go right if everyone's going left. You're going to get trampled. But I went to the boot barn when we started going, which is a store in Charlotte. And I just like bought all of Miranda Lambert's line. Like I just was like, I will take that whole mannequin's outfit. But we would be the last people there, turn, ride in a bowl till the lights came on. I love it. Doing shots, dancing our.

I was wondering how the, what's her name, the one that rode the bull with the... Oh, oh, oh, Alexandria. Yeah. She's amazing. She's from Texas. Okay. She's who I would always... She has to be.

When we were... Which one is she? The blonde. She's the blonde. Long blonde hair. Always wearing hot pink. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

She's an amazing asset because she really lives in Texas. And so whenever we would start improvbing or something, which we did a lot on the show. and I'm so not, you know, I'd been on two Shauna Rhyme shows and you're by the book. It's like, you have to say the words exactly perfect. So this was so fun to be like, no, you're in like a girly drunk scene. Like you're adding all this shit to the scene. Fun. Having such a blast.

But she'd be the person I'd go to, I'd be like, would we really say that? Like, is this improper correct? Like, you know, the bless her hearts and all this stuff that like real Texas girls do. Right. She would be like, she was a dramaturg. I love that. That's great. And she's a good time.

Everybody was a good time. Like, it was really Dermott performed. Dermott Moroni's in like a country Western band. He performed in Charlotte with his brother. We all went to see that. We would go out to dinner all the time. I always had the pregame apartment. I built a bar.

You were the cool girl? Yeah, yeah. I always have people over drinks before. Yeah. After, we all went to a Maroon 5 concert together. Oh my God. Yeah, he came to Charlotte and we got like a whole VIP area for us. And my children, it was their first concert.

They ever went to. They were side stage. And my son was like, I want to be a rock star. And I was like, you're not, this is not normal. Like, this is not. He's not normal. No. He's not normal.

Did you guys were up with him? We've known him for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not normal to get to that, you know, Adam Levine level of life. Adam, it was so funny because my daughter discovered the voice this summer. Huge. We were like in a nail salon and it was playing. And then we started watching it.

And she couldn't believe that, like, I know Adam. You know? Big deal. And randomly, like, I was going to, like, mess with them and text. I'm like, you know, you're really getting to the 10 year olds now. Yeah. He is. But she is the voice. The voice is outstanding. It's huge. She loves it. My son thinks Adam Levine Maroon 5. And this is no death. Like, for real. Because Adam is so talented and can sing the phone. Oh my God. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah. Yeah. But he's my son's number one. Like, number one. All of their songs. Like, I've played him Beyonce. And he's like, not Adam Levine. I'm like. I'm like. You're right, baby. Like, you know, you do you. Yeah. But he's an amazing. We had a very good time in Charlotte.

I hope they get to go back. I think they will. None of us knew the show. The show wasn't. Is that hard for you? Like, to be real. You didn't think it was going to see the lighter day. No, both things.

I don't, I didn't think the show. No, because we shot it over a year ago. It was for Stars for Lionsgate. Stars and Lionsgate broke up. Oh, very, like, technical Hollywood studio speak. But they broke up. And then the show was nowhere. Oh, wow.

never going to be bought. Like a year has gone by. And then Netflix buys it six weeks ago. And my publicist is like, I mean, between us and everybody listening, my publicist is like, don't even bother putting us on because there's no runtime here. Like the show is going to come out and there's no like, it's the summer. Everyone's off. Like Drew Barrymore, all the talk shows are off. We're not going to be able to get you any of them. Like save your money. Like it's not worth it. I don't know if this show anyone will ever see it. And then two weeks after come down. You're not needing it. Am I sad that they will go back without me?

No. I mean, I just feel like, I mean, ask me when they're all back there and I'm not there. But I also feel like... First season is always the best. I think so. And also I like knew going into it that that would be the deal. Yeah. So I feel and I also feel like I blew it out of the part.

Like I did all that I could. You did. With the role, with the experience. Right. With Charlotte. I'll be friends with them for life. Like, I'll be friends with them for life. I just feel like I did my job.

I understood the assignment. I rocked it out. I can lay my head on the pillow and like, you know, hopefully try to play something else. Yeah. What's the deal with all the attention on Mullen's wig? Oh my God. It's really making waves. Yeah, what is it?

Okay, well, I honestly feel like I've been on so many shows with bad wigs. Oh, my God. Well, I did see some hilarious Instagram about somebody being like, and this is why production needs to move back to L. because she had other options. Like, basically, I think they had one wig that was very expensive that ended up being even worse than the current wig or something. And so they needed a wig last minute, like same day. And that's the one they got.

And it wasn't obviously. I think it was better, but not much better. The thing about Malin is clearly it doesn't fucking matter. I mean, people can talk shit about the wig and it can have its own cultural moment. But, like, Mullen's hot. Full stop. Yes. 100%.

So it doesn't really, obviously, no one cared in the long run. No. And maybe it even added to the whole thing. I just thought she had extensions. No.

Everyone's wigged on that show pretty much. I was not wigged. I was not wigged. You weren't. Brittany wasn't. Brittany's not wigged. No, Brittany's not wigged. Jane Mary Newman's wig

because she has a butt. Her hair is this short. Stop it. She has red hair that looks so chic. You couldn't tell it. Oh, I thought that was her. No, she has hair to hear. Wow.

So, and that's not a Texas cut. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's not going to be any East Texas woman probably that has, like, a very trendy sort of. Why would they wig instead of just doing extensions? I don't understand. I don't know. I wasn't in there. I have no idea, but I'm going to guess it's going to be addressed for season two.

But I remember, I'm always, like, shocked it. I mean, I remember being on inventing Anna and, like, having all these scenes with Julia Garner. And that's, like, the best. That's a wig, right? Yes. like obviously the best money can buy. I mean, that show had a huge different than hunting wives. I think it had a, I mean, we shot all over the world. Yeah, it's insane. You know,

Laverne Cox, Julia Garner, like, you know, it was a different, I think, it must have been a project. So she could have had any wig you want. And I think the wig looked amazing, but I always can tell it's a wig. I knew it was a wig, 100%. Julia had to have been wig. Julia has short hair. That's what I'm saying, but that's playing a real person and that person has really wanted. But why couldn't she do extensions? Because it's very obvious that it's a wig. I think it would stop. I'm talking about Mullins though?

No, Julia Garner. You're like, get over. I'm like, guys. Julia's hair is this short. She's playing at Adelby whose hairs out here. And I think if you put in extensions when your hairs is, wouldn't it look like a stop? And I don't think it'll blend. I don't think it'll blend.

I love this conversation. The wind didn't blend, though. Well, the wig is like the whole, I mean, it's a big conversation, which I love. I think that they were like, you should have brought production back to Los Angeles because if you ever needed an amazing wig last minute, that's why you shoot here because every studio has it. Has it. Yeah.

Whatever. It's fine. I think it didn't hurt the show. Zero. I don't think anything could hurt that show. I binged. I feel like I took it down in like two days. My kid, we had to, at this pool we always hung out in Charlotte.

Like my kid is used to seeing me in like a grandma bathing suit. Yeah, mom bathing suit. I wear like a wide. I mean, like maybe it's cute 40s. but it's got full coverage. You know what I mean? Of like everything. And Malin comes down and can wear anything.

Okay, she's a 12 year old son too. But also she's Swedish. So she's like, yeah. That's what's also so different and why she's the perfect person to play Margo. She literally doesn't. Like, it's not a big deal, I think, when you're from certain European countries

to ever be naked or ever have sex scenes, which like, Bravo. What is wrong with us that this is like such a big deal for all of us for end of time? Like, I would have never done a naked scene. You know, all this. and I have to call my parents and, like, to explain to them.

Like, Malin's like, so much, like, even going down to the pool, like, not that it wasn't skimpy, but she wears small bathing suits because she can. If I look like I'd be in no clothing ever. I would be in a floss. Right.

And she just looks so tan. I think my eight-year-old son's, like, eyes, like bugged out of his fucking head. He was like, a mom can look like that. And I was like, yep, a mom can look like that. I'm dying. You know? And she's tall, too.

Oh, she's tall. So tall. Yeah. And I don't know her. She's so sweet. I don't know her age. She's also brilliant. She's just so awesome.

She's just so awesome. I can sing and can dance. Oh, gross. Yes. There's nothing she can. Yeah. I did some interview where someone was like, I think it was with Forbes maybe. But somebody said, don't you feel so happy to be on a show where like the women are naked and they're in their late 40s and they don't have implants or fake butlet.

Like they don't, there's nothing going on. I liked it. I know. I liked it. Yes, and Malin was is a model. So, like, it's not like a regular person. It's not a regular person. But it's not a totally Hollywoodized.

It's not. Bullshit thing. It's a real person still. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Malin's the real. She, like, is a eats and drinks and, like, he loves a martini with me. Yeah, she's not.

She, but the thing is, is that I did think that watching it. Oh, you did. I did? I love that. I was like, I love to see women of this age. Like, one, I like to see them being, I know this sounds really weird, but I like to see them being sexualized. Because I think it's really important. Were the age that you start to become invisible?

Versus to travel up and die. And I was like, that's great. Great. Two, I noticed that the breasts were real. Yep. I liked it. Yep. Here for that.

I really liked it. And all of those things were noticed. where I was like, I like these choices. Oh, you know. I'm so excited about this. Yeah. Because you want, I mean, you want women to be empowered in their body and their sexuality and confidence at any age. I'm saying.

And this, again, I think it stems from Rebecca Cutter. Like the showrunner, she's so cool and just so like, you guys should follow her on Instagram, but she's, she's so cool. She's so arty. She's a mom with, like, two teenage girls. She's very normal, but she's also just, like, very experienced. Like, she thinks all those sexy, like, she thinks they're all so hot. Like, she's just, like, very cool. I love it.

Yeah, she's not prudish at all. Like, and she's, it's very, like, it's refreshing to be around. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, I'm just fucking thrilled that people watch the show. You guys know how hard it is to get a show off the ground for anybody to make one, let alone for anyone to see it. So, like, bless you.

And for it to take over the world. And your little sneeze. Yeah. So anyway, I'm like thrilled and shocked. Well, it's happened to you multiple times. So my whole pregnancy with Elliot. Yeah. That's her nine-year-old.

My nine-year-old, all I did was watch Scandal. And I started to worry. I was like, am I fucking him up? Oh, no. I watched outlanding when I was breastfeeding the entire time. I was scared. But I wasn't, like, he was in me and I was like, am I like ruining him? No, you're fine.

You're fine. Okay. No. That was such a good show. Such a good show. It was really like a cult. It was so great. I'm still such good friends.

Tony was the director of The Last Kiss with the sex scene. Oh my God. He's the perfect direct. He's great. Oh my God. Like how comfortable. I had to have a sex scene with him. So Tony, yes, the 100th episode of scandal was a sliding door's alternate reality episode

where Quinn is a contestant on The Bachelorette. Oh my God. It was a show at the time. They wrote it for me. Love. And Tony is like a washed up drunk politician. And we're on the same nighttime talk show. And I sort of like see him and we're about to go on.

But before we do, I just do like a knock, knock, knock of his dressing room. Go in there. We drink. We make out. And then I have to get all my knees. Okay. And then cut. Oh, yeah.

So network. So ABC. ABC. Good. 10 p.m. hour, but still network. But yeah, he's like so pro level at like a makeout. seen, it's incredible. Wonderful. He's a very, like, he's very, this is such a good skill for any male act.

Well, now you have intimacy, he's intimacy corner, so it's all different. But he would just be like, he's very good at, like, using his body to hide, like, anything about you that you might not want to show. Oh. He'll be like, I'll get there. You know, like, he's just amazing. Oh, that's sweet. You know, like, I'll move from my arm here and da-da-da-da-da-da.

So they don't see that and, like, you'll look great. Because he's also an amazing director. Amazing. Yeah. He's thinking about how they're going to shoot it and how they're going to edit it. He forget. gets about that episode all the time because I hang out with him and his daughters all the time when I go to New York. And I'm always like, you remind him. Does he, no, I don't want to make it over, but he, I definitely remember and he definitely doesn't, which just goes to show you. Like, he's had a lot of sex scenes in his career. That would be amazing if every single time you saw him, you're like, do you remember? Was I? I had to get on my knees. Like, like, I've got to get on my knees. He's the most lovely human being, though, of all time. Did you love working with him? Oh, my God. Love. Love.

beyond. He was amazing director. It was so comfortable and he's just so like the nicest man. The nicest man. And Hollywood. Hollywood royalty. Yeah. Metro Goldman Mayer doesn't act like that at all. No. The most. I actually had to have a talk with him because he was directing a bunch of things when we were on scandal. Like movies and things like on our off season and girlfriends of mine who are actresses would call and they'd be like, I think I got it. Like, and, and I would have, you know, Tony spent like 45 minutes with me and I had to call them and I'd say, Tony, you're too good. You're so nice and you're so caring about actors and their process and taking the time with them and everything. But literally every single person thinks that you're giving them the job and you're not. That's hard when you're like naturally a giver. He's such a get. He's the best. And also he respects actors so much and he wants them to feel respected in the room that like, I know. He's worked on this. I know you've prepared. I want to, did you try it in a way that you feel proud of?

Like, he's, he's a one of a kind. I know. And that sexy. You should have him on the podcast. Love. You think I get him on this podcast. Love him. He's the best.

Yeah. And he has two daughters who are superstars and he's on law and order now. Oh, is he? Yeah, he's on law and order. He plays somebody. You know, like just get on law and order. That's the deal. Residuals.

for days. I mean. Because that's on prime time and just re-airs on that shit. I love Law & Order. I love Law & Order, too. I went and I did my, have you ever been on Law & Order?

No. I hadn't either. I did my, you should tell them you want to do it. Yeah, I should do Law & Order. Oh, it's such a blast. Because you stay in shooting, have you shot in New York before?

Yes. I think it's so fun. So fun. But I did a Law & Order this year. It was, and I'd never been on one, which makes you feel like I'm not a real act, especially if you're an actor from New York. If you came from New York,

You've been a law or you're a hack. I had almost done it a few times, but I'm always like, oh, I don't really want to cry that much or like get raped or something. Like, I'm like, I'm good. You know what I mean? So this was a part that was like a little bit easier than that. Yeah. But it was so fun and I got to work with Tony again. Oh, that's awesome.

Right. He's the best. I'm going to see him this weekend. So I'll tell him you guys say hi. Yeah, please. He doesn't know me. So that's good. I'm still going to tell me.

Say hi. I'm going to tell him you guys say hi He's going to be like We're going to the U.S. Open this weekend Oh, fun. Yeah. It's fun. Love it.

I love it too. It's like a whole scandal reunion. You guys are all going? You're all still close? Really? We're on a WhatsApp chain. It's all of us and our significant others and it's just like birthdays and congratulations

and pictures of kids and yeah, that show was like eight years. How long was O.C. Was how long? Four. It was eight years. Are you joking? No.

Four years. God, that show was so iconic for not. In my head, it was like a decade. I know everyone says anytime you say it, everyone thought it was a lot longer. This was eight years and it was in the most formative, you know, a lot of us had never been on a show that had any longevity before. And we bought our first homes. Many of us got married. Yeah.

I had babies. So the show was like a very, it was just very cool in that way. Did you shoot here? We shot here at sunset hour. Amazing. We were all so, so, so close. And we still are.

And I just think that everyone should take to the channels and have some sort of scandal reboot. I love it. I love that show. I don't care what it is. I'm just like, I need to get with my people. I was just talking with Guillermo Diaz this morning. He's like my best friend.

Oh, my love of my life. Like soulmate. But I just love everybody on that show. I just like, Harry. We see each other all the time. That's awesome. Yeah. And all of our significant others are very good friends.

Well, eight years, it's a decade. Also, I can't imagine. Like, you were on a hit show when everybody was like young and hot. That seems so stressful to me. Like, that was not scandal if that makes. Like, I was the only young one on the show. So there was like no, you know, it was just very familial. Like the show was very much like you do your job.

Right. And then you go home to your children. Yeah. And it was very like that. It wasn't. We heard it. Like, there were other shows going on where people were, like, doing drugs and going out. Like, going out and having fun.

That's what you guys were doing. But we just were, like, I was the only one that would have drinks that like, because people were like, well, I can't be hung over. I have children and all this. And I'm like, we're on a hit show. We should be drinking, like, a lot. It was a very well-behaved show. What years? What years were?

Because they were an adult. To 2018. Got it. Or 19. Yeah. It was just a much different time. Like, the OC premiered, was it 03 or 04? But, you know, it was just different.

And you went billions of people watching them. I mean, I don't know. But it was just like the timing of like the paparazzi culture and all of that. And it wasn't social media. People were running after you. It was like unsafe. It was. That is unsafe.

I remember I worked in this restaurant in L.A. called Ammo. Did you ever go out? I remember that. Yeah. Okay. So I was a waitress there for like three years. It was on Highland? On Highland.

Just heard of Santa Monica. And I got out. I was there in 2006 and I worked there for like three years. But I remember being one of the only the safe restaurants where like no one was going to call the paparazzi. We had huge celebrities come into that restaurant for just like a lunch hour or like late at night or whatever. I'm talking like Rolling Stones to like Kirsten Dunst. Yeah. To you guys like whoever.

I probably waited on you. But anyway, Orlando Bloom, Justin Timberlake, like everyone. And we would never call anyone. And the one time that some fucking new fucking person called. I think it was on Kirsten Dunst or Katie Holmes or something. And I remember seeing them chase after her in the cars. And I was like, this is insane. Like, this is unacceptable behavior.

This is not safe for anyone involved. Like, for them to feel like this is their, it was just a fucking nightmare. So that shit was not going on during scandal time at all. There was already like big things about you don't take pictures of people's children. You know, it was not like. that. So you must have been, I mean, we had to deal with social media, but that was still newer too. Right. Right. Yeah, it was a much different time. But I always say this because I was in a relationship with Adam at the time. So going through that, but like kind of domesticated, it was like much

different, you know, like we would go out, but it was a different. She was, the truth, really well adjusted for what was going on. Yeah, and that's, how old were you? I was 21. No way. I would never have survived. I would never have survived. Me neither. The shit I was doing at 21. Yeah. If like, thank God nobody knew about like, not that I was doing anything bad, I was being a normal 21 year old. Right. But like, imagine everyone knowing your business. I think I was just younger doing all that stuff. So by the time I was 21. Oh, because you grew up in L.A. So you were like, I was already done with all that. But also getting in the relationship and having that kind of like security. I'm pretty domesticated by nature. Yeah. When's your birthday? August 25th. It was a couple days ago. Yeah. Me too. When's your birthday? September 22nd.

Happy Belief. Oh, it was. I saw it on Instagram. Oh, every what the Rachel Bilsen birthday love is like fucking real. Yes. And you don't take a bad photo. Oh, well. Not possible. When is your birthday?

October 14th. And you're a Libra. Yes. It's my son's sign and Georgia's sign. It is. The most incredible sign. It is. We love our Libra.

Kevin, when's your birthday again? Oh my God! That's also over all Virgo and Libra. Kevin. We didn't take all. Happy birthday! You're a day from my husband. And we're assholes who didn't acknowledge each other's birthdays.

I know. Love it. It's okay. We love each other. What's your husband? He's my polar opposite. He's a Pisces set of February 24th. So we're like in this zodiac circle.

We are opposite each other. And then your son's a Libra. And my daughter's a Sagittarius, which I did on purpose. I was one day away from a Scorpio. I had a heart attack. Not that I don't love Scorpio. My daughter's a Scorpio, but I don't take offense. Okay.

Sorry. My grandmother's a Scorpio is my favorite person. My favorite person on the planet. And one of my best friends, Samantha Shelton, Scorpio, and I love Scorpio's. I just knew it wouldn't be a great match for my son because he's very specific. And so my astrologist, Heidi Rose Robbins, when I got pregnant, she was like, just keep it closed, if you can, for 12 more hours because then the moon will cross into Sagittarius and she will be a perfect match for your son. Oh, my God. That's wild.

And the perfect dynamic for you four. She reads all four of our signs together. I'm so L.A. right now. That's okay. Hey. This is the most L.A. shit you ever- We're in L.A. Love it. So she's a Sajj and it's like they are like this.

Made for each other. Yeah, they're just like they're very patient with each other. Like nobody, it's like a very, and she's patient with him. Like he's, he's amazing and he also has a stronger need sometimes. And she's just like, dude, it's fine. Bro, like go. You do you. Like, yeah, you do you.

Don't care. Like she doesn't take it personally. like she's so chill. She's so just happy to be here. Yeah. And I think if she was a Scorpio, she would have been way more fiery and like... Did you get a C-section then?

I had two vaginal berths. Oh. Oh, no, it was just that I was already in labor, but I waited. Like, I was four centimeters dilated, but I didn't do any of that crap. I didn't do walking. I didn't eat the salad.

I got it. I didn't have sex. All the things they say to get it going. I was like, fine over here. Yeah. Just take your time, little lady. Yeah. No way.

And I made it. I made it by like, wow. I pulled her out myself. What? Oh my God. Like Courtney Kardashian. Did she do that? Yeah.

It's like on camera. She goes out one of her babies. Yeah. Did you have Dr. Crane too? No, but everyone loved Dr. Crane. Did you? No, but our best friend has been with him. Wait, did he deliver you?

Oh, you love Crane. You talked to me about Crane. Crane's famous as how. No, I have this woman, Dr. Lady Kometz and I, Vera came out. Then like, once I set go. It was like three hours checking. into exit. Wow. What? I know. And my doctor was like, you can reach down and grab her. And I was like, mine probably wasn't as cool as Courtney Kardashian because I was like, I can. I can do this.

And she was like, you can do that. You can do that. And I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, on the chest. What a feeling. Oh, my God. It was amazing. It was the best. That's so wild. It was so great. I was so scared of childbirth. I mean, I was like horrified. I didn't want to do it. I didn't let my brain think about it. Me either. I didn't plan anything either because I didn't want to have any expectation on it. Yeah, like whatever happens happens. Yeah, because that would just create anxiety, I think, for me. Yeah. Personally. I would have been scared of it my whole life. Did they show you that horrible video at like 13? I didn't watch any of the videos. No, but it's in science class, like biology. They made me watch some like 1970s

unmedicated labor. I think it's to scare you into not having sex, to be honest. Yeah. And I sure it is. I could draw it. It's so such an influence in my brain of absolute horror. People show their kids. And it was like that at all. It was awesome. Like it was totally fine. They show their kids because they video it and then they'll show them coming out. And I'm like, I don't know. That seems a little traumatizing. I don't want to see myself coming out of my mom's vagina.

Did you have video of it? No. Did you have video of it? I had a C-sections. Oh, great. Yeah. I had a vaginal birth. But like I know that like her dad saw everything.

And I was like, yeah, Adam saw it too. He called it the transformer. Because he was like, he was staying up here. But then he had to walk over there. Someone told him to get anything. He just glanced for a second. But he was like, it literally. looks like just opening no nothing that it's ever seen it like that before like your body did something

crazy it literally stretched 10 centimeters like there's no way that that's what it looks like when i see it whatever right this is getting crazy we do have a video what it's from the side i'm never showing it to my daughter but it's like over the side of my hip you don't see any well that's cool yeah and listen to each his own if you want to film it and show your children i mean i kind of wish like i looked a mirror or something the first one i said no to any like my son I didn't have anything. And then the second, my doula was like, can I just tape the second one for you?

I think you might want it. And she's so good at it that she was like, I promise I will get it so tastefully from the side. And obviously if something's going wrong, I'm not going to tape. But if this is like very run of the mill and it's like whatever, I'm going to do it from the side. You're not going to see anything gross.

It's not going to be. And she did. She got it. Did you have an epidural? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love drugs. I love drugs so much.

Do you? Oh. My favorite story is like this. actress who wasn't even dilated at all. Like she just walked into Cedars and was like, I'll take the epidural. And they were like, but you haven't started labor. And she was like, oh, I don't give a shit. I don't want to feel anything like ever.

So just let's do this. I'm just going to numb out and like watch my programs. Did she get to deliver? Uh-huh. Because sometimes they say it slows it down. Yeah, but she would have been fine sitting there for four days. Like she didn't care. She's like, I'm medicated.

I don't want to feel anything. I felt as long as I could. Yeah. I was like at six or seven. And then I was crying between every contraction. And I was like, this is so dumb. I don't know why I'm even, like, check please. No, yeah.

What about when they give you that chart and make you point at what face you are or like that number? I don't remember that. Like, where are you on the pain chart? I don't remember that. And I'd be like, am I at a nine or a four? I don't know. It's so bizarre. Like, I don't know where this is going.

It's so bizarre. You know. You've never been there before. So why did you know what the level of pain is? This might be a four. And it might be a ten. thing. I had a mom podcast called Katie's Crib for six years that Shonda Rhymes produced, but we talked a lot about births and babies and all of that. And Troy and Bellisario and Patrick Adams doing them.

She gave birth to their second baby in the front seat of their car. What boy? In the parking lot of cedars. They didn't make it. Shit. To check in. That's insane. They didn't make it. Like she was fine. And then Patrick said they pressed the button for the ticket to come out in the parking garage. And she starts screaming like a wolf. like howling something he's never heard

he pulls up to the security guard runs out says like dude dude like I think somebody needs to come down like somebody needs to come down and like bring us up my wife is in labor and the security guard is like yeah dude you're like everyone's in labor every day yeah yeah hold up a second go park your car we'll call and then he comes back to the car

and Troyan has put the front seat completely down she's on all fours and she's screaming take off my jeans take off my jeans he's pulling out her pants she's crowning oh my god I would die the security guard is like Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. And within one second, the whole baby came out into Patrick's hands.

Yeah. With no doctor there? Nope. Nothing. Wait, it's in the book I'm reading right now. That's weird. That's weird. What book are you reading?

Broken country. Oh, is it good? It's so good. It is? Yeah. I'm loving it. Okay. Sorry.

No, broken country. But he, like, knew to check, like, the baby's just like upside down. Like, they know it because they have it on security footage. But they don't cut the umbilical court. Then she held a baby. And then they, like, rant they at that time after the baby's already in Patrick's arms and he sees the baby's breathing and okay yeah he's never even played a doctor on TV like he's done what he was doing at that time

the security guard had called someone like please come up come like we're freaking out and they came down with a wheelchair and she carried the baby still connected to her oh my god and then upstairs is when they was it traumatizing or was it okay I think it was probably scary in the moment but they were like this is amazing the fact that she was safe and the baby was was safe. Now it's just like folklore of like the most amazing day ever. And like do you keep that car forever because it should be in your family like forever? No, that baby's going to live in that car. That baby's got to live in that car. It's be their first driving lesson, you know, whatever it is. That's so nuts. Oh, it was the wildest. Wow. I know. Pretty crazy. So I had nothing like that.

Are you done? Don. Okay. I mean just done. Are you done? Super done. Are you done? Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm 44. Yeah, but that's not too old. You could have a baby like 50 now, I feel like. I mean, I can't. But if you like froze your eggs, right? Like, I can't with your 50-year-old eggs. I think you can with like your 44-year-old.

Some women, I think can. I think women are still like, oh, shit. Yeah, like I'm someone that just got pregnant in 47. Naturally. That scares the shit out of me. Wait, Jazeel. Just had a baby at 44. But did she have eggs frozen?

I have no idea. The 47-year-old I know was a total whoopsie-disy. 47? Naturally so. You better be careful. I know. Are you not careful? No.

I mean, I'm, like, we do rhythm. No, see, she's not careful. That's dumb. I love you, but whoa. I know. I know. Like, so you do rhythm, meaning like, only on your, on certain cycles. We use the pull-out method.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. And you know what they call people that use the pull-out method? Pregnant. Parents. It's so true. I just like. But why don't you want to? an IUD.

Freaks you out? Freaks me out. Freaks me out too. I had so much like trauma around the C-sections and all. And like the thought of like doing another medieval torture device to my parts is just insane. It scares the shit out of me. We have to wrap up unfortunately. Okay, okay.

Let's wrap up. Like one more question. Hold on. Yeah. What would have you guys had conversations about what would you do? Yeah. I mean, we would have a baby. They would have it.

Wow. I don't want one though. No, I'm not having a baby. I was five days late for my period this month. And I was like, we have a kid with special needs. I can't, I don't have space for that. No. You know?

No. So I was five days late. And I was like, oh, fuck, I'm pregnant. But you're like, perimenopause. Yeah. No, kidney infection is like, stay away. Yeah. Yeah.

Your poor kidney infection. I'm so sorry. That's okay. This was so fun. This is going to go. Huh? I can't believe. Like, no, this was like so great for a morning.

Is it morning? Yeah. Is it? I don't know. Yeah, it's too. You're like, this is the best time in the morning. I want to come work out with you. I want to hang out.

Yeah. It's on. I'm wearing my weighted vet. What? What's on me? I love this necklace. What is that? Oh, you should.

Smith and Mara. This one? This one. The name? Anyway, they all are them. What's the name? Briar. Oh, Briar.

My daughter's name. That's a great name. Thank you. Oh, my God. You nailed that. You should see her. Is she beautiful? Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. No way. . Exactly. She's one to talk with these boys. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you guys so much for having me on. I hope we all learned a lot here.

We did. We did. We actually, you're coming back. No, I know. We're not done. This is part one. Yeah. I feel like this was just a hangout. A nutcracker. Yes. I'm very sweaty, you guys. It's super hot out right now. Yeah, it's gross. It's gross. How did you stay outside for more than 30 minutes without calling it at a day? day. Well, I definitely like, we started at 9.30, but by the time we ended, I played tennis this morning, yes. And we started at 930. By the time we finished, it was like 94 or 95. Oh, God. Are you

serious already? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ooh. It was very hot. And I am very, it was very, I was like running low on energy. I love my tennis instructor. though. He like teaches the kids and then some friends the moms. Yeah. He's so fun. Is he cute? Oh, he's super cute. He's like, yeah, you know, he's, I don't even know how old he's. I want to say he's around like 26, 27. I could be wrong. Is he single?

Oh, yeah. I'm just asking for people. You know, you know? No, he's not, but he's adorable. He's the shit. Okay. All right. But no. Yeah, he's, he has a girlfriend. But it was a lot of fun, you guys.

I feel like I've really hit like middle-aged with like my Pilates and now my tennis. Yeah. Yeah, you've arrived. I have arrived. You know. Then read a good book. Did you see that reading is down like significantly for younger people in the last 20 years? Very sad.

What? Oh, well, we're going to do something about that. We are. Let's do it. Yeah. No, like seriously. we've been talking about it. Yeah, we're starting a book club.

Nice. For broad ideas. Yeah. Yeah. Very exciting. Isn't it? Yeah. Do you guys know any ideas on what the first book will be?

Great question. But we've been toying with names for the book club because we're like, do we keep the name of the podcast in it? Or we've got some fun ideas. Do you have them ready? I would love to hear. Do we pull the people? Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of fun.

I'll pull up our list. Oh, you have it written down? I'm so impressed. Well, no, because we were texting each other back and forth. What do you have? I mean? I've never had it before. It's new.

It's a new Starbucks fall drink. How is it? It is, I'm going into my, like you said, you're going into your middle of age stuff. I'm going into my dad mode where it's like, I never was a. Starbucks drinker and with my like three hours of sleep now I'm like I got it gets me a Starbucks first thing in the morning it's so good it's kind of it's very sugary milkshakey but uh honestly don't mind it at all you know what's really good is there one that's the um orchata one oh yeah oh i've never had that oh olivia it's really good you're gonna that sounds good

I had a all right i'm gonna start reading them great please Did you just say you had a venti something? Sorry. Pumpkin spice latte yesterday. Wow. I was up all night. It was great. I don't think I've ever had one before.

So a lot of first, I love that I stopped being vegan. And my big break was different coffees at Starbucks. You're just like having a time. Yeah, you're really living now. Go ahead, Olivia. Sorry, I interrupt you. Okay. So not all of these are in the running, but we're

to throw out some ideas. Yeah. Okay. Oh, wait. I don't have any of the... Okay. I might have to go back for others. Okay.

She gives good headline. She can read. Oh, my words. Okay. Tina Page Turner. Ooh, that one's incredible. That's Rachel. Great job.

Book me. Book him. Book her. Read them and weep. Tell me something good. Your type, like typewriter. Page pals, the broad shelf, broad ideas and open books, booked broads, shelf, shelf indulgence. I like that.

Once Upon Abroad. Wasn't it reading abroad? We have reading abroad. I like that. I still like that reading abroad. Yeah. Overbooked. Ooh, that's good.

Lit broads. Okay, that's a second for me. That's a stunner, right? Yeah. Lit chicks. Okay. Fiction addicts. To read a mockingbird.

Wow. And here's one. And then we go mock. Eing. No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, geez. Here's our favorite so far. Maybe, I don't know. It's I am no Burt. And that is a quote from the great Jane Eyre. So she says, I am no bird. Wait, my favorite is Olivia sends this and she goes, you know, it's Jane Austin. Yeah, it's a Jane Austen quote. And I was like, and I'm like Googling and reading. And I was like, it's Jane Eyre. Yeah. Same same. Same.

The original quote is, I am no bird and no net ensnars me. I am a free human being with an independent will, which I now exert to leave you. So it's basically like the freedom, right? I am no bird. So we love that. We also love get your own bank account book club. I like that. The fact that you like that you like.

that feels so right. My two favorites are Tina Page Turner and lit broads. Okay. Okay. All right. Mark that. Write those down as like front runners. Yeah. I say the four we pull are

lit chicks. No, lit broads. Which is great. That's actually super like slam dunk. Yeah. Tina Page Turner. I just like I am no bird

Yeah And get your own bank account But also I like overbooked too I like overbooked too So let's do five Okay Okay let's do five All right

Let us know listeners What's your favorite Yeah And maybe Caitlin can do a little Fun thing that she does Yeah wait list them all in a row again Sorry I got them

Tina Page Turner Lit Broads I am no bird Overbooked And get your own bank account amazing oh it feels good it feels so good

like I don't know what to do about it no but we're doing it so that's exciting and we have we're bringing on Leah is gonna help us with George's sister George's sister great

it's all in the family kev Kevin looks shock like he was like my wife is oh yeah he's like wait what she's a little busy Yeah. She's definitely going to do the embroidering for the merch. Yeah, absolutely. Oh my God, yes.

I can't wait. Once we pick a name, Leah's going to have to christen. Do some hats. Swag. Yeah. Amazing. But what would be best on a hat out of all those? Lit broads, maybe.

I don't know. I was thinking get your own bank account. I think of your own bank account, too, is just I would like. laugh if I saw that on a hat. Oh my God. It's so good. Is that what it was? Get your own bank account? Yeah. Something like that. I know. I just remember if the wording was exactly that or something slightly different.

But it's the same sentiment. Yep. Nonetheless. Every time I tell people that, they laugh. It's great. Because it's so great. Here's the thing, though, what I've realized, like, reading's going down. And I notice even the attention span of my nine-year-old.

because every night he has to read for 20 minutes before bed, right? That's just part of life. He likes to pick a different book every night. And I'm like, Elliot, no. But I don't think so because I'm like, you need to stick with a story. It's like you can't take all information in bite-sized pieces. Like, you can't even stick it out through a whole book. My filter is warped because all of the books I'm reading are six pages for

Desmond. So I was like, yeah, read a bunch of books. And I just remembered most books aren't four pictures. Right. No, he's reading proper books. Yeah, book books. So I'm like, finish it and start a new one. And I realize I'm like, oh, it's because he's so used to getting his information in bite-sized chunks.

Yep. Totally. Crazy. We're changing the game over here. I get your own bank account. It sounds like a financial club. Like, financial. advice. It does. It does. And, uh, nope, we're just reading books. Yep, we're just reading books. But knowledge is power, you know. And I feel like Katie would support that. I feel like she would

support our book club. Oh, well, I want her to support our bank account. Right? Yes. Please. All right, don't forget to, um, send us your votes. everybody for the names and we'll have it posted on the Instagram. Yes, we will. Yep. Great. Cool. Thanks guys.

Bye. Bye. That was a hate gum podcast.