Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Kaycee Flynn on Human Design

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Rachel and Olivia sit down with Kaycee Flynn for an expansive conversation on Human Design - exploring what it is, how it works, and how understanding your type can shift the way you see yourself and your relationships.Watch the video of this episode here!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to broad ideas. Back in my closet of jeans. Hello. Back in the high life again. What is that song? I don't know. Yeah, you do. We have some beauties.

the studio. Today we have the most beautiful spirit goddess, Casey Flynn, here to teach us human design. Give it up. Pretty people. You can't see us, but we are doing the finger. Clap snap. We are clap snapping it. Welcome, Casey. Welcome, Casey. This is our first guest who's ever been in the intro. Oh. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yes. What an invitation. Oh my God. What an invitation. This is one of the best invitation. Thank you.

I'm very honored. Let's get into it. Yeah, more on that. Let's invite everybody in. I do gel. Okay, yeah. That's what it is. It's gel builder.

I went yesterday. I did some real stuff yesterday. I went to a car wash. Got my nails done. I don't do those things. I call it doing some pretty girl shit. It's a pretty girl shit day. Casey does some pretty girl shit.

Can we talk about it for a second? Can we talk about it? What? Like if anyone were to see her cup from Starbucks and all the edits that are made, I'm like, that is some pretty girl shit. No, it's really bad. Right there. I want to know it. List it.

What's the order? What's the order? Okay. It's a macha, iced matcha latte, and eventually. cup grande size okay oh add a scoop of macha um no original syrup half water and half oat milk and and strawberry cold foam protein i can't and then sometimes if i'm feeling like extra strawberry cold foam on the side with strawberry puree. It's really next level.

So she goes in there. I went with her. Okay. And are we on, Kevin? Yeah. Okay, great. So I go in with her. I picked her up.

She had already been. She's already got her drink. Okay. And she's like, oh, no. The guy's going to see me again. And she's in this like unitart with the sickest body you've ever seen in your life. It's like embarrassing. Okay.

It's true. Shush. Okay. Sickest body ever. And she walks in and it's like, do you know these guys don't know what to do with themselves, you know? And no one else would get away with this kind of behavior. Except for Casey. Except for Casey.

That's what I say. It's some pretty girl shit. Like no one else is going to be like, can you put it in that cup? Can you put the cup on the side? Can you pour it in my mouth? Wow. Wow. But wait, can you just tell us why a venty cup for a grande drink?

So I get the maximum amount of matcha and they don't waste space in a grande cup with the cold foam. So I get the full macha thing and then the cold foam sinks into it. and then I don't need all the sugar and all the things. So there's no sugar in the matcha. And it's just the, you know, cold foam. I love cold foam. How did you come to this? I tried to, oh, so I just actually started doing this since I've been in L.A.

So I went on the Starbucks app because my mom lives right near Starbucks. And you can now order your Starbucks and then just like walk in and get it and leave. So I tried to order it the way that I want it on there And it was like I couldn't do it on there Because they don't have that many edits They don't even have water instead of milk Because they only have milk on the app So you have to actually go in and do it

And at this point I just have it all written down And I'm like, can I have this? Because I can't even explain it anymore It's like too much But it's so good I have it every morning and it's like my excitement I stopped drinking coffee so Oh yeah

Yeah I know. I mean, I feel you. I go to bed at night just so I can wake up and have coffee, though. It's the same thing. I used to do that with coffee. Oh, it's so good. So good. It just gives me anxiety now. It does. Now, I'm like turned 41 and I'm like, everything's changed. Interesting. Really? Like what? I just feel like a little bit more anxious, you know, and it's like this heart racing thing. And I'm like, ooh, what's this? It's definitely a whole. hormones. Yep. Because I haven't had that before.

And so I'm just kind of like, okay, what do I do now? And there's a lot of things you can do. So that's one of them is no coffee. And matcha is more of an anti-aging too. It has like beautiful benefits in it. So coffee kind of is drying and stripping, which is true. Very dehydrating. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's just time to like, no. No. New things. No. No. No. We're like, no, we're not doing that.

Mm-hmm. Well, welcome, Casey. So this is really exciting because Casey, the beautiful goddess that she is, we went to school together. We went to USM, got a master's in spiritual psychology. We also went back to high school together. Yes, we did. Yep. You went back to high school together?

Yeah, to get our diplomas. Yeah. Yeah. What? Did I know this? Yeah. Okay. I believe you.

Yeah, because when we were. I first met, we met socially and I wasn't sober. And we bonded over like our love for all things spiritual. And she mentioned something about USM and I had always been interested in it. And then we're like, oh, but we can't go because we don't have high school diplomas because we both. It was a master's program. Yeah. And we both dropped out of school.

Yeah. So. we actually went back to school together. I love that. I know. And you know what's crazy? What? You dated?

No, I was going to say. What? You really went back to high school? We started dating dudes in high school. No. No, but we were really in class with like all the kids. Yeah. That like dropped out or couldn't.

Wait. Yeah, no, we were in high school. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Which one? Where were you? Where was that?

It was on Lancashire. It was on Lancashim. Yeah. It was on link. It's like a continuation high school. Like a, okay. But it was on a high school. Yeah, we went to high school.

Yeah. And we have this one teacher that was so invested. She's hilarious. And I sat at the front of the class by her desk because I was so incapable of grasping what I was supposed to do. And the crazy thing is, is that Casey, it's not crazy. It's not crazy because you can be pretty. pretty and smart at the same time, but I just didn't really know she was that smart. And she was like acing all the math, like a math wizard. And I was like struggling really bad, really bad.

But she was also a poker player. So I think that that had your brain trained for math in a way. Right? Definitely. I mean, math has always been, I like to figure things out and I like to, you know, structure things. And also this actually brings it to human design, which is what I later discovered, which Rachel, you also share this trait in human design on your chart. It's called a quad right. And so when you're a quad right, you basically can look at a book and just download the information based on seeing it, the essence of it. You get it. It's like you don't even really, it's not based on logic. It's not based on anything but the ability to feel the essence of what something is and just figure it out as you go.

And it's a new level of consciousness that's coming onto the planet right now. Wow. And in 2027, it's going to show up more and more. But the people that are quadrites that were born like that have this ability to really see things in a different way other than with not, without logic. It's it's the structure is logic. So you're able to see things. It's like like an eye cloud. So you're like standing here and you're you're looking up at the eye cloud and you're able to download the information just by looking at it what's in that space and then be able to express it through your essence, through your own interpretation of that experience of what you saw and how you felt it. Oh my God. That's so like I feel that's so hard. Like that's so accurate. Yep. That's what she's always done. I'm like, oh, I don't have to think or really know or learn, I just got it. Well, that's, like, yeah.

That's how you've explained the process of even memorizing your lines. Right. Like, you would be able to look at it and it's like, you got it. You don't need to spend the time and do the tricks to memorize and to figure it. Like, you're just like, you look at it. You got it. Yeah. Isn't that weird?

That's so weird. Take us back. So explain to us, what is human design? So human design. Human design was discovered by a man named Ra Uru Hu, and he had a big downloaded experience in Ebisa of just the merge of the Eching, Kabbalah, astrology, quantum physics, and the Hindu chakra system. it was like a merge of all of it and he just pretty much channeled this whole level of information it was basically an encounter that he had with what he calls the mother

and well he calls it the voice but originally he called it the mother it was like god basically came and talked to him and was like this can help humanity in a way that is going to impact their lives in a deeper more connected way to know and understand yourself and have other, to know and understand the other in a way that can, it's practical. So he delivered this information and it kind of just like took off like wildfire. And now it was around 1986, I believe.

And now it is, you know, where it's at. He passed away in like 2013, I believe. And so the information is, really coming from so many different places now. I'm not sure if you guys know Gene Keys. Gene Keys? You don't know Gene Keys? Do you? Oh, Gene Keys is, it's, so it's this man, Richard Rudd, and he studied human design with Raw, and he has an entirely different aspect of human design, but it's called Gene Keys, and it's through a whole different system. So, yeah, I've just been studying deeply all these different systems and human design was like that. I literally

read about it one day and then it kind of like stuck with me and then I was in my house and this man came in and gave me my chart. He was a deep teacher of it and I just got it like right away. I literally got the book and it's like one of those things. It was like I just I just knew everything. It's like I get it. This is my purpose. This is what I'm here to do. And I'm, I'm just obsessed and I feel like I look at a chart and I fully get, you know, someone in a really special way. It's helped me in a lot of areas with people and understanding people with relationships and my own, my own experience with myself. Like, dissecting the whole chart. And if you saw a chart, Rachel, have you seen a chart?

No. You haven't even seen a chart. No. You guys haven't seen your own charts. Wow. No. Well, I mean, I'm just surprised because there's so, I feel like everybody knows what their, their, their type strategy. So explain to us with the types. Yeah. Yes. So there's, there's four types and there's one type that has a subtype, substructure of the type. Well, first start just what are the like what does that mean there's four types like of humans of what so there's four types of it's it's basically four types of individual like your expression like who you are your aura four types of oras because each type is based on aura and what your aura is so olivia is a projector projectors have a very penetrating aura their aura is like i want to know i want to get what

I want to know it. She loves penetrating. Yes, it's all about going in and getting deep and like seeing things and you see things for what they are. And you're like, you can read someone or you can kind of know what that person needs to do, how to where to go, where to take their life and what they need to do to move forward in life. And so around 20% of the population are projectors. And projectors are guides. They're like they're here to guide humanity.

So Olivia is living her aura. So your aura is like just penetrating. It's purple. It's purple. Our aura is purple. Purple. Okay. Penetrating.

I like that. Okay. So that's projectors. Projectors are penetrating? Penetrating oras. Okay. Yep. So that's your electromagnetic frequency that you're emitting without even talking,

without even, this is just who you are. In sitting around the room, you have a penetrating aura. Sick. We don't even have to like, hear you tell everybody that you're a projector. You just, you are, you communicate that through your electromagnetic field. Okay. Okay. This is all of us.

So generators is another type. Generators have a, are 70% of the population and have a subtype called manifesting generators, which is 35% are manifesting generators and 30% are manifesting generators and 30% are. 35% are generators. Okay. So manifesting generators are generators. Got it. They are generators.

They just have a motor, which is an energy center from the sacral, that goes straight up to the throat, which is both centers are defined, which I can talk to you about that a little bit after. But it's a very, it's like able to generate quickly, just able to like get things done. It's like manifesting generators are Ferraris, whereas generators are really. generators are reliable Toyotas, you know? Okay. Got it. Okay. Got it. So it's like fast and just can get things done. Generators, the aura of a generator and manifesting generator, is enveloping. It's in like it's just open. Things come to generators. It's magnetic. It's more

of a come to me. Like a magnet. It's a magnet. Yes. You're penetrating and then others are open. And yes. So I'm going to penetrate those. Generators are are, you know, enveloping. It's more of just like... Got it. And things when it comes. What makes each type different is their strategy and authority,

which I will get to that in a second. I'm just going to give you guys the types. No, there's... Two more. Three more. Three more. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Yeah. So we have projector, then we have manifesting generator

and generator. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Then we have manifesters. Oh, I see. Okay. So manifesters and projectors do not have a defined sacral, which is the center of energy. That's what makes them not generators is by the fact that they don't have a defined sacral. They don't have a consistent access to energy and that energy of like, go, go, go, go, getting things done, which generators can just move, you know, get things done. Okay. So manifesters. their aura, this is 9% of the population, it's often said repelling. Oh, okay. It's closed. It's a closed aura, so it's pretty much like

don't come into my space unless they manifesters are here to initiate. They're here to see like, oh, I want that projector with me, so they're going to invite you which as a projector, your strategy is to

wait to be invited. It's not to just go out and say, you know, the thing. It's not manifester. Manifester is the one to be like, okay, I'm going to inform you about this. I want to invite you into this space. And you are waiting for an invitation from generators, from manifesters, to really receive the invitation. I have questions on that after. We'll circle back to.

Yeah. So manifesters are, you know, they have to inform and they have to. to initiate in order for them to get correct with the right people and the right opportunities. Sometimes it's not, you know, correct for them. And they learn through that experience of like, oh, that wasn't the correct person to invite or, you know, asked for support. You know, so like for generators, their generators are waiting to respond. We're waiting to respond to life.

So for you and I'm also a manifesting generator. She's a manifesting generator. Exactly. You're a manifesting generator. Exactly. And so you're here to wait to respond. You're not here to initiate, whereas a manifester is here to initiate. So as a manifesting generator, sometimes people think that manifesting generators are a mix of manifesters and generators. And it's actually not the case because you're a generator first and it's all based on aura. So your aura is not repelling.

Your aura is not, you know. It's not repelling. Your aura is open and it's inviting and enveloping. And so it's here, you're here to respond to the correct, you're here to respond to what life comes to you. So if you're like, uh-uh, I'm not, I don't, you know, want to do that or do that or whatever, it's really coming from your sacral. It's really responding to what comes to you and not initiating. the opportunity or the person. Does that make sense? Yeah. So I'm just waiting. Yeah. Same waiting. Waiting. Waiting. We're all waiting. I'm just waiting to be penetrated.

Yeah. Violet. More more I penetrated her on the daily. She does. So this is another aspect of it. It can get really technical and like heady. And this is why for me, I love human design because it's just like there is a practical application. to it. It's not like, ooh, I'm going to like study my chart and I'm going to find out like my channels and my gates and my thing and that, which is so much fun. But the real work is learning to like live according to your aura, you know, and really be with that. And, you know, I've had so many instances over the last four years that I've been studying where it's just so true. You know, like, I'm waiting to

respond. Whenever I initiate anything, it just doesn't go the way that I want to. It's like, ah, there's something off here, you know? Yeah, totally. And there's one more, right? Yes. There's one more. There are

reflectors. Okay. Now, reflectors are 1% of the population, and they have no centers defined. So they're basically here to be wise about absolutely everything. And their strategy in life is just to be surprised by everything in life. They're just here to be like, wow, that was a feeling. Okay, that's interesting. You know,

like it's not about identifying with energy, feelings, willpower, beliefs, thoughts. It's all about just kind of identity. It's just really experiencing life through a lens. It's like watching everything. Interesting. So they're just reflecting back what they see. Exactly. Got it. So, okay. It's a seven-year deconditioning process once you learn your human design. That's one of the things that is another aspect of it that, you know, I'm in my journey. I'm in my fourth year of deconditioning. And I am just finding it to be this journey. where I have been so conditioned, so programmed, based on my surroundings and the people that, you know, growing up and society and just really like, for instance, I'm 41, I'm never been married,

I don't have children. Society is telling me, that's bad, you're wrong, la, la, la, you know, and I'm sitting here feeling that pressure from society. It's not real. It's actually not real. I have not responded to wanting to have children with this person or wanting to marry that person. And if I come back to that, that is where I can be not allow myself to go into all these stories. And there's so much about human design.

Like, for instance, Olivia knows that my whole life I have been on a journey to find my purpose. What is my purpose? I don't know. It's like this big existential crisis all the time. And like seriously, seriously. I mean, still to this day. I'm having to like really reprogram myself from that because in my human design, my conscious sun, which is the 70% of your personality, and then my Pluto, my conscious Pluto is all in the hexagram

within the Eaching. It's called the gate in human design of purposelessness. That is the shadow aspect of it. Wow. Oh, weird. That's the shadow aspect of my chart. And the, you know, the higher expression of it, the more embodied expression of it is like adventurous, is risk taking, is life, you know, walking on the edge is like, try it, you know, going after everything, life or death. I mean, and it's, that's also been my experience. So it gave me so much permission to be like, this is who I am. Okay. I don't, it's just who I am.

It's just the electromagnetic field in which I am operating in this body. And that is where the. sun and all the planets were in the sky when I was born that just gives me this expression. And I can't there's, I have to surrender and just let it be. That's so interesting. Yeah. Because that is, if you were to give me that to read, I'd be like, that's Casey. Yeah.

It is the duality of those two things. Yeah. Okay. So she's going to read our charts. Yeah. She did your chart. Yes. I'm a little scared.

I did your chart. I'm excited. Yeah. I'm excited for you. So get ready for your seven-year deconditioning process. Oh, my God. So why do you need to decondition it? Like, why is it not just like who you are and how you live?

You know what I mean? Because it is. It is who your essence is. However, we've been conditioned by. Conditioned. Right. Yes. Trained.

Yeah. Yeah. So you're. I do have a quick question and let me know if you want me to save it until after you do are charts. But here's where I get a little hung up. Like, say for instance, in Rachel's, in our partnership, right?

Because we're partners, so we do a lot together. If we're both supposed to wait to respond, how does that work? And another thing is, I am a doer. I like to call it spiritual spaghetti. Like, I love the way it feels to initiate. And I'm like, ooh, here's an idea. Or let's do this, or let's do that. Or I'm going to reach out to that person.

Or I'm going to, like, I get, I like that. Yeah. So if that's supposed to be against my aura and we're both supposed to wait to respond, how would that work in our partnership? Okay. So there's also a thing where there is no mind, right? Uh-huh. There is just flow. Your natural flow. You're natural. You're not thinking about when you're doing some things, you're not even thinking about it. You're just doing it naturally. It's just who you are. it's just your natural expression. It's when we go into the mind, okay? This is where it's very tricky.

This is where human design is like, this is a part of my journey of learning what your question is spot on because it's like sometimes I'm like, I get so frustrated, you know, because I'm like, oh, I don't, but there's a subtle energetic frequency to you actually living, not from your mind, from truly where you are invited. Really where you're invited.

So when you're reaching out to these people, when you're going and doing the things that you want to do, there is a natural invitation that's drawing you to that, to do that, to reach out to that person. Does that make sense? So there always is. So like let's say for instance this morning, I do always, when it comes to like our work,

Rachel and I's kind of partnership, I will never, I never initiate without, running it by her and getting her feelings on it. And then when she's a yes, I'm a go. There you go. That is a very, that's also your feet, you're feeding off of her sacral because she has a defined sacral. She's an, uh-huh, uh-uh. She has a clear, distinct yes and no where you might be a little bit more like, hmm, this is my idea. You are the guide. And you are, you are seen by Rachel. So projectors need to be seen. They need to be acknowledged, recognized. If you're not feeling seen, acknowledged, or recognized, invited, then you are not meant to be in that space.

And I'm sure you have felt that in the past in different circumstances. So you can feel the energetics of that. So that is not where you're meant to go. Got it. You're not meant to go places where you're not feeling seen, where you're not feeling acknowledged. That's not who you want to call. Because if you're going to call those people and ask them to do something, you're initiating and you're going to get the backlash of what that is.

That sticky, icky. Yeah, that feeling, that sticky yicky feel, exactly. So if Rachel is, you know, wanting to give me an example of something that you, that would be Rachel, that you do a lot, that you're an actress, okay. Okay. Let's say you are just like, you're wanting to be on this show or whatever. And without anything coming to you, without that show coming into your space, you just go and you're like, I want to be on that show. Is there, do you understand? There's no, it's like if that show didn't come into your space and you're like,

uh-huh, whether it's through a person, whether it's through like, you know, an opportunity. That actually makes sense. If you're just going after something to go after it without responding first to it coming into your space, if it's just coming from the mind, I want to do that. And it's not like, you're not responding, uh-huh, nobody's asking you on yes or no question. Yeah. And you're not, you know, yes or no questions are generators. best ways of responding.

So like I sometimes get on chat, GBT if I don't know. And I'm like, can you just ask me a bunch of yes or no questions about this? Because I have no idea. And I get my answers through that because I get it. It's like a sacral response. So if somebody's bringing you an invitation or an opportunity,

you're responding through that. From her, basically, are you virtually saying from her gut? She's gut checking it. She's basically, yeah, it is. It's the gut. It's her sacred.

It's your, uh-huh. It's like there's another layer that I want to add. And you're saying you don't have, Olivia doesn't have that. She doesn't have that. I get the constant impulses. But because I don't have my own defined sacral. I run it to her and she gut checks it. And then if it's a yes, it's an invitation to act upon.

Exactly. Well, yeah, like example being like if we're setting up a meeting with people and you're like, let's just do it. And then we do it and I'm like, uh-uh. Like I get the hit. And then you're like, right. Yeah. I mean, that literally happens. It happened all the time.

Yeah. Recently. I was like, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Olivia is like, she's almost like, she's guiding you to the correct, your correct response. I wouldn't be there without her guiding me to the place where I have to make the decision.

So fascinating. And projectors have a massive place in the world, especially. coming up on 2027, which in human design is one of the biggest shifts that we've had since the, I believe it's the industrial revolution. But don't quote me on that. However, 27, we've been kind of edging on what it looks like right now. The world is very crazy. In a lot of ways.

So, you know, he, Ra predicted this time. And projectors are here. He predicted pretty much everything. that's happening, every single thing that's happening right now. It's wild. So projectors are here to be our guides and are basically they're very important right now. Thank you. I feel seen. I feel heard. Yep. Carry on. Carry on. Just go everywhere you feel seen and recognize and that's that's it. Groovy. Yeah. And then just wait to respond, Rachel. Yeah, I do. That's what she does.

I literally, yeah. That's what she does. Okay, so your seven-year deconditioning process is not going to be that intense. Oh, let's hear her chart. I'm going to take notes because I have no memory retention. So, Rachel, you are a pure manifesting generator. You are able to just respond in the now. And like you being also a quad right, not having to.

necessarily deeply dissect information in a logical way you can just get a sense of things with this channel being in your design side because there's two different sides of a chart there's your personality which is who you present to the world and then there's your design which was formed 88 days before you were born and the neutrino stream that was emitted during 88 days before you were born when you were in your mama's belly so this design side you are you can pretty much be in an environment and respond like right now. And it's all about the now.

It's all about having the energy to talk in the now, to respond in the now. It's a channel that goes from your sacral all the way to your throat. So you can speak in the now. You have information to share. That is pretty powerful. You have a lot going on in your throat. So there's a lot of energy in your throat. You're a storyteller and, you know, you have this channel that is of a storyteller and sharing your ideas and having, you know, ways to express through your throat that also are of travel, of like adventure.

Of being, yes, it's like gate 56 is about the storyteller. So it's, and it's in your personality. So it really makes sense that you're an actress. You are a, let's see, where is it? Gave 56 is in your North Node. So it's basically your view in life is that field that you're in pretty much. So you see. What does that mean your view in life?

So your nodes, your South Node and your North Node in Human Design are basically what you see, what your view is in life like where you just your your your general environment okay it's like what you can just what you're around and so for you it's it's all about uh in your north node it's about seeing storytelling being around you know people that tell stories and and sharing stories and it's in line six because there's also there's also layers to each game Okay, there's six lines within each gate, which is in the E Ching, the hexagram. So there's 64 hexagrams in the sky, okay? And each planet, the Earth, the sun, the moon, all the planets were in a hexagram at the moment of your birth and 88 days before you were born.

So each hexagram represents a different expression of humanity or your human. potential. And so, for instance, the earth was in Gate 55 for you at the moment of your birth. And Gate 55, Hexagram 55, is all about experiencing life and just food and places and moods and feelings and it's very emotional and it's up and down and it's all over the place and it's just this like this it's like love of spirit it's like really being a spirit like in the body okay experiencing like the material life that's what you were saying yeah and and so the material life like does that mean find things like a love for yeah i mean it really is that mean the material life yeah so it's like about you know she likes she's like she needs she needs to have what

Grounds you like nice bags like what? Yes. Well, what grounds you is basically good food. Okay. Good sex. Okay. All right. And like things that you really enjoy, like things that are good for you,

things that feel really good for you and feel like really light you up. So that is what grounds you. And like that's what like that's what grounds you in in the moment into like if you're feeling out of whack. I always come back to my. my earth signs and my earth signs are gate 27 which is nurturing which is so like cooking or cleaning my house or making sure that you know I'm connecting with my dog or whatever and then it's also sensitivity it's also connecting with my sensitivity and really like just like feeling myself a little bit you know connecting to myself and Rachel no so just to get this straight so hers are

like if she were to feel a flutter what should she ground? in based on that case? So it's a lot about like power as well for you. It's connecting to your own sense of power and your empowerment. So gate 34, which is on your design side, is about connecting to what empowers you. What really is empowering for you. That's very grounding for you. So if something is throwing you off, it's connecting to what's empowering. for Rachel, what's empowering for me? What is empowering me in this moment? And what are you responding to?

Again, it comes back to strategy and authority, which I haven't shared a little bit about that yet. Coming back to, am I responding correctly to this? And this is, you know, this place of empowerment. And then it's good food, you know, something that you just love, like this life of being here and having these. these things that we get to experience, like soft leather and, you know, writing in a journal or

something, you know, just what you love. Mm-hmm. I'm trying to think. I'm like, what do I love? Mm-hmm. I mean, I know what I love, but, like, just, it's just interesting to kind of think about, like, what they would all be. Yeah.

And this is a part of the deconditioning process is like, okay, learning that. that's that's what you get to do. You know, you get to like ask yourself these questions now. Like, I, is this empowering for me? And, you know, what do I love? What do I really love? And this is, and then that can be your source of ground to stand on because that is in your chart.

That is just one tenth of a percent of human design. Okay? Just what I shared. There's so much. To digest. It is a lot. It is a lot. There's...

Oh, whoa. Yeah. I feel like I'm on the Millennium Falcon at Disneyland. Yeah. Like looking at it. It looks like a spaceship. Yeah. And was called it the Maltese Falcon.

So because the material world is in her chart, you know how it sounds to me what I'm... How are you reading this, Casey? This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. I told you. She likes math. I know. love this. It's like that thing. Well, it's so, it's like that thing when you, when you find something that you love, it's like, I honestly can listen to one thing about it and I retain the

information. If you should give me a freaking script or I can't even remember anything for the life of me. I'm like, I can't remember a line to save my life. Interesting. Because I'm not my thing. So I have a question on that. So it sounds to me that most things that are created outside of astrology, let's say therapy or let's say some of the big like psychological hitters like a Tony Robbins or, you know, any of these people that are really powerful in the field of changing your life. in those workshops, in those programs, in those environments, even the one we went to, they kind of present it in a here's a one size fits all approach. Right? Like do these steps and you will experience results. Right.

And you've always heard, you know, if you're having a problem, don't look for outside environmental fixes. You have to go inward. So but when I hear she's got power. in the material world, would that be then a different thing for her? Could she actually be different in the sense of like maybe for me it's go inward? Maybe for her it is grand outward. Is that possible? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, again, this is, did you understand the question? No. you're supposed to say uh-uh uh-uh

uh-uh because what I'm hearing from her is that you have a lot of power in the material world that's just a very small aspect of her chart but yes she does her chart is very about experience and like that's what I mean she is here yes as a 3-5 this is the profile of her chart too okay there's 12 profiles

within this system as well. So, and it is based on the hexagram, okay? Three fives are all about experiencing everything. Just going out there to experience everything and anything. Get your knowledge and then you share it and you universalize the information that you experience, that your take on something. So that's her also. So that is very in of this world.

That's what I mean. Threes are like they need to experience this. in this world. Yes. You also are a three. Okay. Of course you're a three. Yeah, three three. She's a three. She's a one three. She, Olivia. Wait, I'm a five five five. You're a three five. Sorry, you said five. I'm just hearing numbers. I'm a three five. Okay. Wait, let's hear what Rachel's taken so far. Wait, I just thought of like Monica friends when she's doing the diagram. Two. Yeah. Yeah. Three five. Six. Three five. Five. Five. seven seven sorry I have no idea what you're talking about okay it's a phrase reference Leah would know I know but yes it is it is it is it is funny these lines these three five okay

three fives yep it's too many numbers for my brain I do not have a math brain oh okay no I don't at all like really bad my daughter does though mm-hmm anyways we'll do her chart three five one three or three one she's a one three three three three she's a one three three One three. Uh-huh. So Olivia, I'm just going to pull up Olivia's chart over here. Oh, Olivia, you are. Woo, okay.

Basically, Olivia can sell ice to an Eskimo. Sick. She is a car salesman. I knew it. I am the Al Bundy of our generation. Oh my God. Amazing. He was a shoe sales.

Oh, my God. I know. You were thinking of the new Alante. I was. Of course I was, Rachel. Okay. This is so, I just, I love human design so much. It's so spot on.

Olivia has, oh my gosh. Oh, yeah, yeah. If we all knew, if everyone knew Olivia, first of all, Olivia is just like she, I mean, everybody knows Olivia on this podcast and you're just like so wise and intuitive and so like full of a love, just like complete and total. Like you just exude this like wise, loving mother energy and like you share it and you have like such incredible, yeah, wisdom. And it's like so.

Here, in this chart. You bring transformation to the world by sharing your intuitive, like, hits and being, you know, in that. Like, you're a very safe person. You're a safe person. And this is, you know, your defined spleen. You have so much going on in your spleen. Actually, Rachel, I think you have an undefined spleen. Yeah, you do.

What is this? Okay. So the spleen, there's nine centers in human design. and in the Hindu chakra it's seven centers but in human design it's nine so there is a spleen center which is all about you know survival

it's like it's knowing what to do in the now it's like very in the now in the now like it's intuition it's you know you can you kind of know what's coming it's like this you can sense what's coming and and Rachel has this undefined, okay? So what that means is that it's it's not a consistent, you have it,

but it's not consistent. You have, you get it. It's not just a consistent who you are. It's not in you to like know what's going to happen next or have this like, you know, intuitive sense about what's happening. However, when it is open, which is what you have, you might have it even stronger than Olivia at some points because it's not consistent, but it's like, oh, you might have this sense way stronger quicker than Olivia would have it. But hers is just consistent. It's reliable. That makes sense. It's a subtle thing. Whereas you were like, yeah, when you were saying I had undefined, I'm like, no, but I get these were really big hits. Yes. Yep. Yeah. You get these big hits and they're they're very, they're amplifying. This makes sense. It's amplifying like what Olivia is

in a sense. Okay. Olivia, you have a lot of undefined centers. So there's a lot of areas in which you have this but there's nine centers so we're just talking about the spleen yours is defined so yours is almost like it's like people with undefined spleen's tend to get addicted to people with defined spleen's because people with defined spleen have this like it's just this like sense of like it's going to be okay you know yeah it's going to be okay it's going to be okay and then you know people with undefined spleen have have this habit but again it's it's like they have this coziness about them and and yet they can also be very cold, you know?

So this is like, this is, this is, this is, this is what it is with that center. Okay. And so your center is, is defined and it's, it's, it's like just very warm. And it understands patterns and it understands purpose and it understands life and death. And like, it's, it's very strong and very strong intuition. and so your conscious sun, which is what I shared with her, actually I shared her conscious Earth, I'll share you what your conscious sun is.

So conscious Earth is basically your life's purpose, life's path. And it's who you just are. 70% of your personality is based off of four different planets, four different where they are positioned. Two, I'm sorry, the sun and the Earth. and then it's conscious and unconscious. So it's four gates, four hexagrams. Okay.

So yours is in the gate of big dreams. Okay. That's how you shine is by having the big dreams that you have. I have big dreams. It's how you shine. It's literally that is your place of shining. And it's pretty much like just this energy, connected to the spleen that is all about like what's going to bring safety to based off of what you

dream big of safety and like so it's so it's it's coming from the spleen so the spleen so the spleen is all about survival it's all about you know this energy of wanting to bring safety and comfort it's just who you are it's just who you are and through your dreams through what you dream of through what you see a possible, through the continuity of things, then you really, that's how you shine. So that is who you are in your electromagnetic emitted frequency. Shine bright, like a diamond. And so it's keep, yeah, keep going with all your dreams and all of your desires and everything that you want.

Because that is, that is what life, like, lights you up. So that is so nice. Yeah. It is. It's how it's how it's literally what she's supposed to do here. She's doing it. Yeah. You are doing it. And you've like made, I mean, look at your life. I'm. Yeah. Look at your life. Look at her life. Yeah. It's all based on a dream. I used to read Wordup magazine. I was just about to start singing that song. But you have to. I know. I actually have to. I cannot believe you're saying this because last night before I went to bed, I did that whole. line. Like I was

I'm not even kidding. That's weird. That is weird. Hang in pictures on my wall. Every Saturday. Every Saturday. Repetette. Magic mall and ma.

Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And do you want to know what grounds you? Yeah.

Is your inner truth. Okay. Guys, I've been meditating every day street. How do you? Good for you. And I am. loving it. I really am.

Because when I get in the, in lifey, when life gets lifey, like when there's, you know, things going on in the outer world and I feel them, it's like I intuitively know, none of it's real, just go back to the inner self, right? And then you can be there for the people that are experiencing, life on life's terms. Yeah. Because every day, there's a lot of life on life's terms. Mm-hmm.

You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's fucked up. And if I'm not in my inner truth, I'm trying to change the term. Right. Right. So that's it. I mean.

Wait, what's this? Sleigh. What? You know? No. What is that? Haley. Haley,

when Justin Bieber was performing at the greatest. I guess this means, this is what the kids are doing, you guys. Oh, yeah, it's like a good clap. Yeah, it's like instead of clapping, you do your fingers. Oh, that's cute, really? Okay. Oh, like a little crab pinch. I like that.

It's not as jarring. It's demure. It's cute. Clapping is like, oh. One thing, Olivia, that I wanted to point out, sorry to change the subject really quickly, but I just, you do it, girl. Back to HD.

HD. Okay. You communicate beauty to the world. She sure does. Mercury is in Gate 44, which is the gate of patterns and beauty and bringing beauty to the world. And it's just like you communicate that. So Mercury is what you communicate.

in your expression. And when it's in the personality side, it's for others. It's what you're doing it for others. You're shining for others. And how you express yourself like your cute boots. Thank you. They're Lejeans.

Did you see these wretchenes are really cute? No. They're really cute. Did you get them when we were together? Oh yeah. You were with me, Dingleberry. Didn't I pick them out? Yes.

You did. Okay. Well, Rachel responded. That's my material. Whatever. Yeah. You know, the fascinating part about this is it actually makes so much clear a system that we have well defined that we've never talked about. What is she doing?

She's so crazy. Like, you're describing our system together. It's wild. There is like an intricate system of how we operate. Yep. That is like this, this, this. It's always me being like this, this. And she's either.

Uh-uh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Uh-huh. And there's never once. This is the weird part.

There's never one time. Mm-hmm. Where we don't agree. Where she does an uh-uh. And I'm like, it's an uh-huh. Right. When she says it from that place, I'm like, that's right. It's, that's right.

Well, she needs. It's you. Yeah. And you need her to like bounce it. Exactly. To gut check it, to ground it. Yeah. It's interesting.

It's really interesting. Isn't it? Yeah. Our best, this is just a funny little tidbit. Like if her and I are going back and forth or whatever and then we bring Leah in. Oh my God. Okay. I can't even imagine what that's like because she's okay.

And then she'll like say her opinion. Olivia and I look at each other and we're like, uh-uh. And what does she? do in that moment? She doesn't know. She doesn't know. You just out of it out. She knows now.

No, she knows the joke. She feels it in her bones. We joke about it. We joke because one time Leah said to us that she felt it in her bones. She was like, this is the thing. She was like, I feel it in my bones. And I was over on the other side being like, it's a no for me. Like, it is a strong no.

And it turned out to be like a very strong. No. Very strong. So anytime she feels something in her bones, we're like, hell no. That is hilarious. I do have her chart. She is a manifesting generator. Is she?

Uh-huh. And she wouldn't put us in the same pool. No, it's a different pool. No, it's different. It's very different. Yeah, she's a four-six. Oh, because her numbers are different. Yeah, her numbers are different.

But also, it's, it's, it's, it's, yours is, you have this. motor again like I said that goes to the throat and I don't know if she has that but I can double check there's there's there's a lot of ways that like we both could be manifesting generators and both people be very different but have the same aura it's about aura so you know if you think about Leah she does have a very open inviting enveloping people are like a hundred percent to her a hundred times over you know so it is the same aura but it's not it might be different in certain ways what are you again. I'm a manifesting generator. Okay, so you guys are opening and I'm just penetrating. Yeah, you are penetrating. That's why we're all like, Olivia, Olivia, what do you think about this?

Can you help me with that? Olivia, what do we do? I don't know what to do. You're the projector. You're guiding all of us. That's so weird. It's so accurate. It's so spot on. Crazy. And Jeff is a manifesting generator. Exactly. I've got two Virgos and two manifesting generators. Wow. Isn't that weird? Well, because Rachel and Jeffer Virgos and manifesting generators. Okay.

Yeah. Wife. Husband. Wife. Oh, yeah. Life. Did you get it? That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Burgos. That's a whole other aspect of human design. It does, it does, it goes off of astrology. Yeah.

So there is a lot of astrology to it. However, you know, you'd really have to like look at the chart to see the mandala because it's based off of a, oh, it's deep, man. I mean, if I can even just show you this, it's so dead. I still don't know if I have clarity on the waiting to respond. Waiting to respond. Yeah. So, like, when I get these impulses to do something, am I to wait? until I get an invitation, or am I supposed to do something about them?

And then once I get an invitation, like, I don't really understand. So, do you get what I mean, Rachel? I mean, I think I understand, like, you will just respond, right? Like, you don't wait. But in other areas, you wait and you don't do anything because you can't make it decision. Exactly. When you're in your head about it, when you're in your mind, because basically... Like your rugs. You know what I'm saying, Olivia? I'm not talking about, you know, like... Oh. Well, so when let's take a rug, for example. I know it's a whatever, but it's not.

That's a different area. Yeah. Oh my God. You and the rugs. Rub. Don't you have a rug of mine from I have a rug with yours under my dining room table right now? She loves that rug. Like, I think I used to be like a rug maker or something in a past life. Yeah. I could see that. I was an ancient rug maker. It's really funny that you brought in the rug thing because oh my God, okay. Yeah, you're okay rug. So you have a hard. I remember yeah. Okay. It's not just rugs. So what where do you get an invitation from who? Um, did I give you a rug? Yeah. To only rug still surviving in my house. It literally is. How weird is that? Oh my God.

People, if you want to send me a rug, I can't find them. I need to be gifted rugs. I see what you're saying. See, that was like 10 years ago I gave you that rug. Yeah. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe like eight. It was a good 10 years.

It was like, yeah, I don't know. It's been a long time. But that's the only rug still surviving in the house. That is a very good example. And the only one she likes. So what do I do about that then? I mean, it's just is what it is. Like, it is what it is.

You don't do anything. You just wait to be, wait, wait to be recognized, wait to be seen, wait to be acknowledged. Wait. Wait for the rug company to be like, hey, I heard you on that podcast talking about rugs. Do you like this rug? I want to give you, you know, like, whatever. Wait. Rachel and I got some really powerful news recently.

Okay. Oh. I got the best follow of my life. life. Okay. And I waited. Oh, wow. Okay. I waited. I waited. I've been waiting for this moment. Oh, my God. What is it? Seas candy. Oh, my God. So we're following us. Okay. I've never felt more seen. I got the DM from them and literally I was like, I don't care if anyone ever writes me again. The fact that Seas Candy wants to send me something sweet. Oh, my life is made. That is, that is, yeah.

I mean, there's nothing better. There's nothing better. That is who. Yeah. And Rachel. Okay. Are shared. Like, we don't go to seas without getting each other thing.

It's like a thing. It's a thing. It's a real thing. This is it. Well, so we're rugs for me, okay? Yeah. There you go. Gift me rugs.

When you're doing what you love, Olivia, when you're just doing what you're love, you're in your flow, you're going to get the invitations. It's like, this is where we all have to like, make chill and like just let life happen you know life is not supposed to be initiated all the time like imagine if we all just kind of lived according to our strategy and i'm going to tell you about the authority now which is another layer that's very very very very very important okay okay probably one of the most important if not yeah strategy and authority are basically the way is to apply this to your life practically and just okay wait i have to wait i have to wait to be seen have to be way to re-recognizant

recognize, okay, I have to wait to respond if I really don't know what to do. There you go. That's it. That's all you have to do. And then everything can be expressed. Everything in the chart can actually have its space to be expressed. If you're just sitting around initiating, you're not a manifester. You're not letting life come to you and life happen to you for you, you know? So I, what was I saying? Authority. Authority. Okay. So there are, there are, there are, one, two, three, four, five. I mean, there's basically like five or six authorities, but there's pretty distinct authorities that are very just, these are the top ones that I'll share, because there's others that are good into a little bit more of a headier space. Fifty percent of the population has an emotional authority. The two of you have emotional centers defined. So, So on top of your, uh-huh, uh-uh, this defined sacral for you, it's about acknowledging and sitting and being with where you are at in your emotional wave. So people with defined emotions, defined emotional center, it is like, you're on a ride all day, every day for your whole life.

It's like there, it's very, it's just like you're just feeling, you're having these big emotions, you're having these, you know, you're either feeling high or low or, you know, it's like, it's just, it's a ride. So it's really acknowledging where you are at in your own wave and not making any decisions based on a high or a low. Sleeping on it. So interesting. We just had a decision-making conversation. This morning.

This morning. Oh. Yeah. So you can use your strategy and authority for this. And Olivia, she does really well with yes or no questions. Great. So she can respond, uh-huh, or uh-uh. I like this game.

And then Olivia does really well with open-ended questions, like inviting her to share, you know, inviting her to be like, so tell me what you think about that. Instead of, you know, do you like pizza or chicken for dinner or whatever. I love this. This gives us like tools and be like, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If we have decisions. You give me a yes or no and I give you open-ended.

That sounds right. Yeah, I think we do that naturally. That's what I'm saying. These are like the systems we're using. Exactly. But it's just clear. It's like clean and clear. There is no, well, you know how in USM they give you this one thing about asking open-ended questions.

Yeah, but that's not for everyone what you're saying. It's not for everyone. So I actually went back to USM recently and went over that specific aspect. and I ask them, can you ask me the open-ended question in a yes or no way? So, like, can you share about this experience and do you want to share about this experience that you had recently that touched you or hurt you? Instead of, please share an experience that you had that recently hurt or touched you. I see.

So it's like, wait, because then it's like for a sacral being, you're going up into the clouds trying to figure it out. Like, wait, what was the experience? And if you say, can you share? It's like, uh-uh, or uh-huh. And then you can go from that place. That's exactly Rachel. Yeah.

Like if we were like, let's say we were trying to figure out what the best thing for her. And Jeff. So think about both of you got both of them in this. So yes or no question. Sorry, I didn't need to cut you off. No, you're great. But Jeff is a huge other part of your life too. And it's important to understand the way that they both have this.

sacral response to ask this yes or no question. So go ahead. You said. I was going to say that is exactly the way she operates. Like if you have a big life decision, you're not going to sit there and be like, let me talk this through to you. You're going to need to get to the answer. And it's going to be as simple as yes or no for you.

And sometimes all we have to do is muck away the things that are getting. interfering with her yes or no. Exactly. And that's it. Exactly. Yeah, she's not like, let me share what this. It's not that. That's not a sacral.

Sacral beings are very in, they're, they're meant to operate through response of. It's interesting. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-uh. It's literally. So accurate. Yeah.

Like I'm like, no, none of that other stuff. Yeah. Just yes or no. Uh-huh. Yes, she doesn't want the other stuff. Yeah. I don't want the other stuff. Yeah, and you'll start seeing like where you initiate.

And you're like, ooh, that was an icky feeling. I don't like that. So like, okay, now I'm just going to wait to respond and see what happens and like let life surprise me and be excited about what's going to come. And open up. Wait, me too. Or is that you? You too.

You and you. Yeah. So you're here to wait. You're here to wait. And so is Olivia. So you're waiting for. a response. You're waiting for a yes or no, something coming into your space as a yes or no. You're here to wait for that opportunity to be like, do you want to do this or do you want to do that?

Do you know? And you're like, uh-huh. Olivia is here to wait also to be seen, to be recognized, to be honored, to be acknowledged. That's your space. And what about romantically? Like, for someone in that position, are they supposed to be weight to be pursued or what if they want to pursue someone? Or initiate? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So again, it's not coming from the mind.

If it's coming from the mind, you're initiating. If it's coming from your natural flow of loving your life and just doing what you like to do and who you want to be around, it's you're feeling it. You're being seen by this person. You're being, but when it has that icky feeling of like, oh, should I do that? should I not do that? It's like, just wait, just wait. Wait for the invitation.

The invitation, there's some hardcore human design people out there, which is one of my teachers who's like, you literally have to wait for a person to invite you. I don't typically see that for, I have other teachers that are like, no. You can wait for life, wait for, you know, just life to guide you into an invitation. Because sometimes you can see the circumstances in an invitation. Yeah. You're like, I've been feeling this, but then.

I haven't, but then the circumstances turned out to be like, boom. Exactly. That was the invitation. Yes. That makes sense. Yes. That makes sense. Yes.

Yeah. This is all so fascinating. There's like so much more. Oh, yeah. So many questions. There's like a whole other. How would someone get their charts done? Do you do that for people?

Is there a way they can contact you? Is there a way they could look up online to see what kind of type they are and get a little bit more information? if this sparks them. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of information out there, a lot. And so you can look up, you know, I like this app. It's called Neutrino Platform.

This is what I use for all my sessions, and I look up through that. Where can people find you, though, Casey, if they want a session with you? I don't have a website. Everything is like, invitation. Everything is waiting to respond right now. Honestly, I haven't responded to like doing all.

that. I have Instagram, but again, I'm not responding to like being an Instagram person and like talking about human design. They DM us and brought ideas. Yeah. We'll connect. No, I haven't. Yes. Thank you, Rachel. Yeah, I just, I have

I have an email that is my name and a phone number and so. We'll connect you. Okay. And you know what? Today is actually a perfect example of what she's talking about. Yes, exactly. Because Casey's never once. I've known she's been doing this human design. She's never once been like, I would like to do the podcast. It was us inviting

her. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? It's so interesting. It definitely is a journey for me to just practice this, you know, and really, and it was like, I got to be surprised today. And I got to feel that feeling of like, oh my God. Like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Like, yes. Yes. I want to do this. Yes. This is what I love and this is my purpose. And I'm not initiating. And it's like, truly coming to me. Yeah. That's why I'm not having a website. I mean, I will have a website eventually.

I will have all the things when I'm responding correctly. Yeah. And I feel that energy for it. Right. But when I'm not feeling energy for it, it's initiating and it doesn't feel good. I love that. So this is a deconditioning process because in the past, I'm like, well, I have to have a website. I have to have this.

Right. No, you don't. Like, I started a whole coaching practice that way. I know. I know. I initiated thing. Exactly. It was all invitation.

There you go. I love you madly, wildly, deeply. Thank you so much for being here. You're such a beautiful beam of light. Oh, I love you guys. And I love what you're doing. And it's really just beautiful seeing the evolution of your friendship and how you guys are at and what it's so beautiful. Oh, yeah, what you're doing.

Thanks. I wish I was there in person to give you a hot. I know. I wish you were here too. Sorry. I know. Well, maybe I'll see you soon. Yeah.

I hope so. Okay. Love you. Great. Love you guys. Love you. That was a hate gum podcast.