Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Kristin Cavallari on Red Flags, Self-Pleasure, and Cheating

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Kristin Cavallari [Laguna Beach: The Real Orange County, The Hills] talks about dating as a mom of three, physical vs. emotional cheating, and Lauren Conrad. Kristin, Olivia and Rachel also discuss breastfeeding, self-pleasure, and what their hypothetical cult would look like. Broad Ideas is supported by Factor. Head to factormeals.com/ideas50 and use code ideas50 to get 50% off your first box. Broad Ideas is supported by Sundays for Dogs. Go to SundaysForDogs.com/IDEAS or use code IDEAS at checkout for 35% off your first order.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Robin Olivia. Hello, guys. Hey. Hi. Okay. I have a girl crush. I... Hey, you found your next soulmate.

I found my soulmate in the flesh. Kristen Cavalari is a television personality, best known, not best known. But her first thing was Laguna Beach, the real Orange County. A little connection there. Wait, what's the connection? Oh, there's Orange County. It's a place in Southern California that I'm a fan of. Oh, you just like going down there?

I like South Coast Plaza. And she's also a fashion designer, jewelry designer, best selling author, mother of three. Beast. A hottie patadi. And you can find her books and uncommon brands on Kristen Kavillian. www.com. Let's welcome Kristencavalori. Sometimes when the wind inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride.

We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that are me. because people die. It's so crazy, though, you know, from going back to where... Sorry, I'm cracking open. No, no. It's...

Welcome. Yes. Yeah, welcome to Broadway. Yeah, you guys really take care of people around here. This is how we do it. Wait, you were drink... Did you just say Caitlin's... I did.

Right? Off of wine. I was drinking real wine. Yes. And I saw you had a wine glass in your hand. I did. Yeah. Yeah, that was Friday.

So we filmed it last Friday at like 4 p.m. And then we went to dinner after. So she lives in Nashville. She's the best. She's the best. She's one of my good friends in Nashville. Oh my God. And I'm so thankful that I found her. That's so cool. She's awesome. She's But does it scare you to have a glass of wine and then do a podcast? I wouldn't be scared. I actually had something taken out. You did.

Yeah. And because she's my friend. Yes. I felt so open. I just say whatever. Yeah. But because she's my friend, I can also get stuff taken out. Right.

I did. I took out one thing just because I was like, I don't want the headlines and the shitstorm that's going to come from this. But you know now. Yeah. And it was just about someone that I dated. And I was like, there's no point in going down this road because I knew it would make headlines.

So I was like, Kayle and I love you. Well, there was something she was promoting that was like a big headline. And we talked about. dating. We did all of that. It was like one specific person that I was like, I don't need to. So it was. Yeah. Yeah, no. We fully respect our guests too. So like we always say like we cut stuff out. We cut stuff out. Isn't that the beauty of it? Oh, yeah. Same shit. Where I'm like, Rob. Yeah, because you want to feel free and then you want to be able to be like, oh, right. Exactly. Exactly. I know. And it's that freedom where you get the best stuff. But it is occasionally you're like,

There's some things that are, you know, need privacy or whatever, you know, when you're a mom. You've obviously dated, married, famous people. All the things. All the things. It sounded like you were saying dated, famous, married people. Maybe. I mean. I've been a, well, I'm not even going to fucking say.

I've been attracting a lot of married men and I don't understand. I'm like, hi, this is so wildly inappropriate. Goodbye. Oh, my God. Do you just shut it down? Yeah. But I don't understand what it is. I feel like everything you attract is more like.

like spiritually whatever you're going through or ready for. So I'm like, clearly I'm not ready for a relationship because I'm attracting all these unavailable men. So I'm like, I got to figure that piece of the puzzle out. It's my own self. Right. Yeah, it's all of a sudden I don't know what the heck is going on. Wow. You do know what the heck is going on. You're right. I just have to dig in deep. I think exactly what's going on. I love that. I love that you have that like the wherewithal. I'll be like, oh, like this is what I'm going And why? Because I would never go, I don't think like that. I need to think for it. I think. I think you do. I don't know. I think more. Yeah. There's also sort of this bliss and not thinking where I'm over here like, God, I really need to face the music and I don't want to. Oh, well, that's okay too. I mean, you have three kids, right? Yeah. That's a lot of kids. It's a lot of kids. It's a lot of kids. That's a lot of kids. It's a lot of time. It is a lot of times. Yeah. It is a lot of times. It is a lot of kids. It is a lot of times. Yeah. For sure. And so. We were married for a long time. Yeah. It is substantial. And so. And so. And so. And so. And So young, I would imagine. I met Jay when I was 23. Wow. Yeah. And I had my first son at 25. Oh my gosh. And so, yeah, I mean, I did everything so young. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's like, you know, I sit here and I think I want a relationship. But really I'm like, I don't have the time. No. I want to just be mom. And then, you know, work-wise, my schedule is pretty busy through May. And then I'll have a little bit more free time. But I just need to hunker down right now and focus on me. So it's all good. Yeah. And not to say that I'm not, you know, dating a little bit.

or talking to some people, whatever. But, like, anything serious, I'm just, I'm not in a place for it right now. Yeah. No. We'll call that dabbling. Dabbling. Dabbling. I find, yeah.

A little dabble. I like that. That's exactly what I'm doing. Yeah. A good little dabble. I feel the same, though, because I'm a single mom and I'm always like, if I'm going to get into something, like, it has to be something, like, super. Yeah. What's the word?

Like, worth your time and energy. Because all my time and energy goes to my kid. Exactly. And I don't want it any other way. So it has to be someone that's like, okay. Really special. Yeah. That's worth it.

Yes. I know. Yeah. And now when you have kids, it's like anyone you date. Like I want to hold myself to a high standard for them too because I'm not just going to date any douchebag and bring them around. My kids have actually, they've only met one person for two seconds. Otherwise, I haven't brought anyone that I've dated around because I'm like, my kids are

the most special people in my life. Absolutely. You better be pretty damn special to meet my kids. Right. And how long have you been divorced or separated? Almost three years. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. So there hasn't been like someone super relevant that has like spent time with the kid? No, in the beginning I dated someone for about five to six months. Yeah. And if that were today, I maybe would have introduced him. My kids knew about him. Yeah. But they just never met him, I think, because it was so fresh.

I wanted to be really sensitive to it. Yeah. Where now I'm a little bit more open with my kids about dating. And they're like, they're supportive and all in and they want to know who I'm talking to. Yeah, I mean, it's cute. Yeah, it's really cute. And they have very strong opinions, which. is pretty hilarious. What's the age range? 10, 8, and 7. So I have two boys and a girl.

Eight and seven? Yeah. You did that. Oh, you did that. I did that. I did do that. I did do that. All of my kids are a year and a half apart. Well, the boys, I guess, are 22 months and then 19 months. Wow. Yeah. So it was at first, second and so. The girl, your girl is the oldest, right? No, no, great. I was saying great. Oh, great. Four, third, and first. It's bananas. But it's so fun now. First, yeah, because they're older. Because they're older. How old is your daughter? She's in second.

Okay. She's eight. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah. It's like, do you have kids? Two. Two.

How old are yours? Seven and almost four. Okay. Yeah. Ten is so fun. And eight, too. I feel like things start to shift. Yeah.

But like, oh, it's such a blast. My kids, I would rather hang out with my kids than anybody else now. Right? Yeah. They're so fun. It's like your homie, like your friend. Yes. To do all the things.

So, what, your girl is, she's my youngest. She's your baby. My girl's my baby. So she is tough as shit. But two older brothers. Like she's... Oh, she's going to be so good. I do not have to worry about that girl.

Oh, my God. Two older brothers. I mean, because we both grew up with older brothers. Do you have siblings? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like it when guys tease you, make fun of you, and kind of slightly antagonize you?

Kind of. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good. Yeah, it's good.

It's because we grew up with older brothers. It's so true. Yeah. We're like, please, like, make fun of me. or like, like, literally, whatever. I'm like, wait, now I like you. Yeah. It's so true.

Like the nice guy, you're like, you're nice. But like, you know, I need a little more edge. Right. Yeah. Is that because we have. I think so. I think so. That's our running theory.

We dive deep into this and we're like some friends, they're like, oh, they like a guy to be a certain way. And we have the same exact thing like tease me, make fun of me. Yeah. It's like playful and fun, you know, like all that. Yeah. Yeah. That's banter. Yeah.

That's good. And we think it's the older brother thing. That makes sense. That we're like, we can take it. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I'm excited for your girl. Like she's going to, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. She's a tough cookie. I have a question. So when you date a guy and you said, you know, they obviously have to be worth it and all that great. Yeah. But do you play the game of like, oh, this person would have to one day be their stepdad? Totally go there. Yeah. Yeah.

Even first date shit where it's like calm down. Like let's see what happens. But of course, I think we naturally just sort of like. like, could this be my husband? Could he be the stepfather to my kids? Yeah. It's like this fantasy land. And I've definitely continued to date people where I'm like, you could never be either one of those things. Right. But I'm also in a phase where I'm like, I just want to have fun. And if I'm not looking to get married right now, then why not? And then keep my options open at the same time. Right. But then the flip side of me is, okay, if I do want a serious boyfriend and I'm like trying to call this in, then I feel like a lot of these guys are tests. Yeah. Where it's like the universe. saying, well, how serious are you? And then I'm like, so why am I still talking to this guy who I know is not right for me? So I don't know. I'm a mess. I have a theory. Yeah. Okay. I remember when I was

in therapy and I was dating guys that were, you know, unavailable. And I had explained to my therapist once about my obsession with eating chips and cookies. Okay. And he was like, why do you do it? Like trying to like really figure it out. And I'm like, I just like the crunching. Okay. You know, like I just like the crunching. It's like, whatever, comforting, distracting. So then I was dating this guy and my therapist and I knew wasn't the dude. Right. Right.

And I said, well, why do I keep doing this? And he goes, because he's crunchy. Oh, my God, I love this. He's crunchy. Yes. I love it, but it's so, oh, my God. So, fucking. He's crunchy.

There's a lot of crunchy guys out there. There's a lot of crunchy guys out there. God, I love that. I know. I know. I think I need to go back to therapy too. Oh, yeah. We're big fans of that.

Yeah. For sure. Because it's so hard to navigate, especially, you know, co-parenting. Oh, it's challenging. Oh, challenging. Sure. You know, and it's especially, I'm like dating. And I don't know, I don't know what your relationship is like with your ex, but, you know, it can be very complicated.

Or some people can, it can be very easy. And I think. I really envy those people where it's very easy. One day. Yeah. Who are those people? One day. Those people are it's so easy.

Those unicorns. Yeah. But you've spoken pretty openly that it was like maybe not the health. I don't know if you used the word like healthier, unhealthy or toxic or whatever it was. They've been open about that. So how hard has it been kind of navigating everything? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely new waters, you know. It's trying to figure it out.

And sometimes it's easier than others. It offers a lot of challenges for sure. Yeah. It just does. I feel like I've learned how to be. I'm a monk in a lot of ways and so non-reactive. That's the biggest thing is to not react. And that's a good life lesson, you know?

Sure. And so I do feel like that's been the lesson for me through it all is, you know, why let anyone bring you down or rock your world? So I'm now a monk. That feels great. I love that. So why are you in Nashville? Like, what was that?

So it was really my ex-husband and I'm so thankful that that's what brought me there. So Jay played football for the Chicago Bears. Right. We just always knew when he was done playing football. Nashville was where we were going to raise our family. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I love Nashville so much.

I'm in Franklin. It's such a good. Oh, you're in Franklin? I'm in Franklin. Oh, so beautiful. It's the best. So I'm 30 minutes outside of the city. I'm south of Nashville. And for kids, it's just the most normal way to raise them.

My kids are at public school. They are outside getting dirty all day. Like, you know, it's just a great place. There's a real sense of community that people are awesome. Yeah. I'm really, really happy. That's so awesome. And are you both there? Yeah, we're five minutes apart. So it's easy back and forth.

Yeah, the kids can take the bus to either one, you know, both of our houses. And yeah, it's really nice. And it's nice because I'm in L.A. I have a place out here. I'm out here, a decent amount. I go to New York, you know, here and there. So I sort of like get my fix that way. Yeah. And then I go home to my very peaceful normal life. So I have a nice balance. That's so nice. And is your family still in Laguna? No. I have no reason to go to Laguna anymore. My dad is in San Diego. And my mom is actually splitting her time between Nashville and Wisconsin. But it's been so nice to have my mom close by. She's actually in my guest house. She's literally right there. But there's nothing better. I'm serious. It's actually

been so nice. I saw something on Instagram where they're like the best decision you can ever make is like live near the grandparents. Yeah. We know just like having. It's really nice. I want mine in my. Well, you. I know. You want to move your mom in. Yeah. Do you? Yeah. There's something pretty special about it, I have to say. Yeah. Just getting to have that. quality time with my mom again. And it's obviously really nice for the kids to be around their grandma. I mean, my mom is so good with my kids too. So it's, it's been really nice. And it's temporary. So I'm just enjoying it while she's here. I like how you're like, it's temporary. It's temporary. It's temporary. Mama, I love you, but it's temporary. No, it's been good. Have you made like real friends out there?

Yeah. So I have. I have four really solid girlfriends, which is all you need. Amazing. Yeah. Was it through the kids? So two of them are through the kids. And Caitlin's one of them. Yeah. And then I have another friend who I've made through other mutual friends. And so, and then I have my gay best friend there too, Justin. So I have like such a solid crew. And it just, it makes me really happy.

Like my life is like really, really nice in Nashville. Yeah. Amazing. Friends are really important though. Yeah. Really, really important. Oh, yeah. And so it's been good to find my little crew.

Good. Yeah. Yeah. And Justin, I feel like you're always on vacation with him. Always. The one that, okay. People think he's my boyfriend. I'm like, you're literally the biggest cockwalk.

You need to get away. I'm going to date page. Oh, it's so good to have that. It is so nice to have, like, such a tight, I don't know. I think there's nothing better than I would take my friends over a relationship anything. I think it's important, especially when you move away somewhere. Yes. And it's important to have your mom friends.

You know, I have one of my really good friends used to model in New York. So she gets that side of my life. You know, it's like everyone kind of offers something unique to our friendship. Caitlin obviously understands everything I go through. You know, we're in similar boats. And so it's just nice to have those people who get you. And I think it's really hard to make friends as an adult. But when you can meet those friends that you just click with and you don't have to put on a show and it's like

you just have that. It's so nice. So nice. Yeah. Yeah, I love that you're close with Caitlin. It just says so much. She's one of the coolest girls. She was my favorite bachelorette ever.

So I have never seen her season. Oh, my God. I just told her. I was like, I'm going to go watch it. You should watch it if I want to. Have you ever seen The Bachelor? So funny. My kids came home maybe like three months ago and they were like, we want to watch The Bachelor. And I was like, oh, I've never seen it. Let's do it. So we watched Clayton's season. Oh. Which I heard was like the worst season. Yeah, I know a good one. But I was like I can see why people are obsessed. So now I want to go watch every season. You need to go back. Like there's certain ones you should definitely hit. You know, Caitlin was because she's so real. She's like she was hilarious. I fucking love care. Okay. I told her I was like I'm going to watch your season. Yeah. And then were you dating time. So it's funny. We actually said we just saw. So we just saw. watched Tyler season, too.

You watched it. Who season was he on? Hannah Brown. He was on Hannah. He was on Hannah Brown. This is my world. I know. I love that you're all in on this.

Oh, yeah. Of course. I'm like, this is so great. I get it now, though. I didn't understand it for the longest time. So, Tyler, I've known for about a year. Yeah. He is one of the nicest, most down-earth laid back guys on the planet.

He was my New Year's date. We talk a lot. We're not dating. I think he's a great guy. We're both so busy right now that it's just. He's so cute. He's honestly the hottest guy I've ever seen. Yeah. He's, and he's, he's, he's hotter in person, if you can believe it. Is he? Yeah. He was probably the hottest guy that ever, like, went through the Bachelor. It's pretty amazing. Like, it was pretty. I was like, what is how? And I remember someone, like, pretending to be him,

messaged me on Instagram? Stop. Stop. I thought it was him. And I was like, oh my God, the cutest guy on The Bachelor is, like, writing me on Instagram. Oh, it wasn't, but it wasn't him. Wait, it was like a verified account or no. I think it was. It was something weird where I definitely thought it was. him? Yeah. This is a while ago. So maybe I told him this morning I was going on your podcast. Oh, really? He's like, I don't know. He's like, oh, now he knows who I am, maybe. No, he will after Kristen's been on it. Hello. No, everyone loves you, by the way. Everyone who I was like, I'm going on Rachel Belson's podcast. Like, oh, that's everybody. Yeah, everyone loves you. It's cool. Yeah, I love that. And she's like, oh, my God, Kristen, I love her. You guys are good friends, right? Yeah, I love her. She was a good time. She's the best. She was a good time. She's the best. She was so funny. Like Olivia told her that her husband drove her home once from the club. Stop.

And like the whole interview Heidi was like, oh, well, he just like drove you. She's like, I would have been okay with you hooking up with him, but the fact that he drove you to the valley, I'm not okay. Yeah, right now. Crossing the line. She was like, that is too far. That's so funny. Yes, it was so cute. Gosh, that's great.

Okay, we're going to get into like some of these questions. Okay, fun. If you're willing to be open and, you know, you can handle a-how-you. That's my problem. I don't have a fun. I don't have a filter. And then I'm like, damn it. Why did I say that?

Career because you don't have a filter. It's a gift. It's a gift. It's a gift. I love you. It really is. Okay, okay. I'll take it.

Yeah. I mean, I was always obsessed with you. You're like, what happens in Cabo? Was that you? Was that yours? I think we all actually said it at some point, but that was an MTV fed line, by the way. What is it? And it was like the most iconic line from the whole show.

Yeah. What happens in Cabo? Stayes in Cabo. Would you be like, what happens in Cabo? Like, what? shut off. But it started a phenomenon. Like I feel like last time we were in Vegas, we're like, what happens if it's just like it's, I think that's where it came from. Oh, that's why I said that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I wish we could take credit for that. No. No. Like you guys. No. Like you're going to be. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'll take credit. Right. No, that is a thing. I love that. Oh, no. That's like an old school thing. Yeah. Yeah. This explains my mom brain of like never remembering or knowing anything.

Mom brain is a very real thing. Totally. Yeah. Um, on that. On that note. Worst one-night stand? I've never had a one-night stand. Wow. I know. And I don't even think it's something I'm proud of because I would like to say that I've had one. I just never have. Still, I'm 36 years old.

I probably. I feel like right now in your life, it might be good to experience it. I think now is the time. Now is the time. I'll get back to you guys on that. Yeah, get back to you. I'm going to have one. I'm going to hit you guys that.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's all I get a standing question. Yeah, I'll get back to you guys on that. I still get what happened in Vegas? Like, what's wrong? I do. I know. I was like, is she new to her? She knew to her. I am. I am. I know. God. Lord help me. That's so great. Rod Ideas is supported by Factor. This new year, you've got goals. And Factor is here to help you achieve each and every one of them. Fuel up fast with ready to eat nutritious meals delivered straight to your door. Leaving you time and energy to tackle everything on your to-do list. Achieve and maintain your 20

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I have never been in that position. So I don't know. I think it's so different probably for everybody. Right. It depends on your relationship. I want to say that I wouldn't because for me, trust is the biggest thing. And if you're lying to me, I don't know how I would move on from that. But I don't know.

I don't think so. I don't either. Yeah, that's to me, that's like the biggest. Yeah. We've had this argument and I'm always like, well, I don't know. It's a tough one. It is tough. And you know, it's like if you have kids together.

Yeah, exactly. There's so many variables. Right. But yeah, we always have the argument of like emotional affair versus physical affair. Like we talk about that a lot. Yeah, what if it's emotional. I think emotional for a guy is way worse than physical. I agree with you.

I'm with you. She's not. She's not really. Oh, no. My husband's sticking his penis in someone else. Yeah, but they don't. But they don't. That's just like sex to guys.

I feel like guys don't understand. Guys would fuck anybody. No offense. Right. But like I think for like we're more emotional and like I think that's why I haven't had a one night stand because I need some sort of a connection to have sex with someone. Me too. And so if I'm having sex with someone, it's because I have feelings for you really. We're guys.

They don't think like that. Like they don't think like that. But they should know I do. do. Right. Yeah, but they, but they're, I think guys are so in the moment of like, this is what's in front of me. This is all I'm seeing. Out of sight of my right. Yeah. Yeah, they can separate. And then they can like let it go where if a guy is like texting you and just wanting to chat, it's like, what the fuck is going? No, then you have feelings for that girl. Yeah. Yeah. It's tricky. I'm with you 100% and we. Emotional affair, I would be fucking crushed.

Let's go that way. No. I feel like it's way more harmful. personally. I'd be crushed by either. Well, yeah. 100%. Either is great. 100%. I just want to clear that on. Yeah. No, like, yeah. For sure. I'm stoked about. No, neither one. We're like, cool. I love a good physical affair. Would spice things up. Yeah. Speaking of spicing things up, would you ever purposely release your own sex tape? Fuck, no. I just watched the Pamela Anderson documentary, too. How is it?

It's so good. I mean, it is so good. And you just have. so much empathy for her with that whole sex tape scandal because she really didn't want it to come out. I mean, it was a really fucked up thing. How did it come out? Someone stole it and they still don't know who took it and made all...

She didn't make a fucking penny on it. That is not a penny. And they offered her $5 million and she said no because she didn't want it out there. I mean, it's watch her documentary. It's really good. Wasn't she just on an armchair? Yeah.

Did she talk about it? No. But I mean, they made that show on Hulu too. Seth Rogen stole it. Yeah, but she stole the sex tape. She said that the show on Hulu wasn't accurate. Yeah, her son's made the documentary. Yeah.

I met Brandon doing The Hills reboot. I did an episode of it and he was on it. I walked away from that going, he seems like a really great guy. And I was like, she did a really good job with these kids. Wow. And in the documentary, you're like, they love her so much. Oh, thank you. Watch it.

And she still loves Tommy. Oh, she does? Oh, my God. Kill me. It was so heartbreaking. What do you mean? She was like he's the love of my life. Her one true love.

Yeah. And that's why she was like, none of my other marriages have worked. You guys, I was literally crying. Oh, like, I'm crying.

Wait, and his wife, like, released something that she got in trouble for or something. I know, I didn't dig into it either. It's always like link and by. I'm like,

I can't click that. Come on. Just give me the mouth. Yeah, just give me. I know. I go in the comments. I'm like, can somebody just give me the synops.

They usually do. They do. They do. They're like, I'll save you the time. Here's what it is. I'm like, okay, great, thank you. Because I don't have time to click on something else.

Hell no. I'm scrolling super fast. Yeah. Oh, that's so sad, though, that she, I feel like they, like, met and, like, were married in a weekend or something. Like, I think one of those crazy. Three or four days. God, because she admits to still.

It's actually heartbreaking. No. Yeah, heartbreaking. See, I want to believe that he still loves her, too. I'm like, can we get rid of the wife and go back to Pamela? Right. Because that's what... Everything would be right in the world, then.

It would. I'm calm. That's what like rom-goms do. You're like, no, they belong together. It's so true. But it's real. It needs to happen. I'm going to watch that.

Watch it. I'm going to watch it too. It's so good. I'm going to watch it. Yeah, it's good. Go ahead, Lou. Okay. If you could live in any period of time, what would it be?

60s. Oh, she had it. I would have been that like free love would start girl. Oh, yeah. So one night stands would have been plentiful in the 60s. Yeah. It would have been great in the 60s. Yeah.

I'm with you. on that time. 100%. Yeah. Of course. It just would have been different. Like drugs and free and like naked dancing and nuts. I could have done that.

I could have done that. I totally could be doing that. Yes. 100%. Disco would have been fun too, to be honest. It would. All of it. All of it.

It does seem more free. What would you pick? I always go there too. I always go to that time. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, there's a lot of time like in history and in the world. But for some reason. That was the best.

Yeah. Where do you go? I go to 60s. See? 100%. We're all like longing for that. We just wanted to give him a lot of nights and down around naked. Rob wants to be dancing naked at Woodstock, clearly.

I'm like Great Depression. We all talk. He's like, give me a speakeasy and like. That's so great. Oh, my God. I'm not at a speakeasy. True. This is true.

You know what I mean. This is true. They're all good. Guys, I got to be honest, the early 2000s were not bad. They were kind of fun, okay? I mean, look, you guys now. I've nailed it. Guys, we were actually like, that was the time to be alive.

It's just so awesome. And like, it's coming back. Coming back. It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not the same. No. But like we did it right.

I feel like. We did it right. You know what? Yeah. I'm not mad at it. I was there with you. I know. I'm with you.

I know. I am feeling it. I know. Oh my God. The early. But like you think about that. Like sidekicks and flip phones and like no Instagram and like. That's why.

It was right before social media exploded. Yes. Yes. Yes. We're so freaking lucky, to be honest. I know. I would have been in way more trouble. Yeah.

I know. I can only imagine. But I've said this before. I think I said it on Heidi's, maybe. But I think it's actually worse for people back in the 2000s. Why? Because anyone can be famous now. So many people are famous.

Yeah. All these influencers. And so it's like there's so many places to put your eyes where when you guys got fame, it was, that was it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it was under such a microscope, which now it's like it's so saturated. That's true. And I will say like the tabloid world back in the day. It was vicious and the paparazzi and it was like that was such a moment in time where it's not like that anymore. No. The beauty of social media is if you wanted to, you could go on there and you could clear up any

rumor that you wanted to or we couldn't do that back in the day. Right. But I just feel like it was still, it was a little bit more special. If that makes sense, where now, to your point, like, it is really saturated, anyone can have a few minutes of fame. And it's just, I don't know. It's just, it's different. Yeah.

It's different. Yeah, I would agree with that for sure. What, Rob? I think our generation was the best because you had before and after, and you kind of got to live in both. Oh, yeah, yeah. Navigating this new world has been a challenge in its own. Yeah.

Oh, my God. You know, the pop-rass, they were so mean, like the tabloids anyway. Yeah. like catching, you know, everyone falling out of limos or no underwear on. That was a big thing. Remember that whole face? Oh, that was like a face. I sure do. I feel like you never had a Vaj moment. No, I definitely had underwear on. Same. Oh, yeah. They would literally... It was simple. Just put some underwear on. Put some underwear on. But they would literally purposely put cameras below you to try to catch you as you come out of a car. It's true. Yeah. You were also never like a messy drunk or anything like that. I didn't like that. I know. I feel like you always had a good, a good image.

Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I didn't. I was on the cover of Us Weekly that I needed to go to rehab. Oh my God. Not true, but I mean, I definitely had fun. Well, you should have had fun. Like, how old were you when the show? Literally, well, was a junior the first season. It aired my senior year. And then I moved up to L.A. Come on. You're a freaking kid. You're a kid. So yeah, I moved up to L.A. I had a good time. And that's exactly what you should be doing. Exactly. I don't regret anything. How would you feel if your kids at that age wanted to do something similar? I get asked that question a lot. I would say no just until they're 18, only because I just want

them to be kids. I want them to live a very normal life as normal as possible when they're 18. If they want to chase, you know, an entertainment dream, absolutely. And I'll support anything they want to do. But while their kids, be kids, be a senior in high school. Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't need to be doing all the other stuff. How did people, like, how did they approach you? Because I've never, they literally came to our high school, MTV. They came to your high school. Came to the high school. One day they were just there. Whoa. And Burrington? No, God. No, thank God. I moved out of Barrington. I went to Likuna Beach. By you

In Barrington, Illinois, I never My life would be very different I grew up in Hoffman Estate You did? I took a class at Barrington Barrington's the best So my mom lived in Tower Lakes She just sold her house actually

So that, yeah But I love Barrington But you think I got out Just the best I know I know You're incredible

But so they were just there And you had to be 16 If you were 16 You pick up this like 20 page packet fill it out turn it back in and then they had on-camera interviews. I mean, and it was just literally fell into my lap. So it was like random kids, were they, like not your group of friends or they were? Not my group of friends. Everyone was older than me except for one other person. And so I was then forced into this

group of people that I normally wouldn't have hung out with. Right. So that in itself was already weird. But yeah, so it aired and everyone else had graduated gone on to college. And I was a senior in high school. And that was weird because it was just one other guy and I, I mean, it helped me pass marine biology. you think God. But like even people just like treated me differently. And I was like, this is so bizarre. I don't know. It was a weird time in my life. Yeah. But I wouldn't change it. Obviously, I mean, it got me where I am today. I'm so thankful for it all. But definitely like a very strange moment time for me. Yeah. Do you remember the interview? Oh, God. Yeah. What did you say? I knew what I was doing. I was beefing everything up. Even the packet was like, who do you think's

going to be homecoming queen? And I said, I don't know and I don't care as long as it's not Lauren Conrad. So like, I was just, yeah, you were like, stir in the pot. But was Lauren already attached to the show? So, no. So what happened was I stayed home sick from school the day they came. So I was behind everybody and I was so bummed, you know, that it wasn't there the day MTV came. So everyone was getting on-camera interviews and I hadn't gotten one. And I was really bummed. So I went that weekend to Boulder to go check out the school with my mom, got a call on the way home. And they were like, can you come straight to the high school when you land? I was like, absolutely.

And so everyone had sort of been cast, except for. for me. So then when they caught wind of like how much I hated Lauren and like they're the love triangle between Stephen Lauren and I, they were like, oh, boom, we've got it. We got her. So, yeah. So in real life, it was the love triangle. There was a lot of truth to it pre-MTV. And then MTV came and that was all they focused on, even though it had been over. But yeah. Doesn't matter. There's a love triangle. They're going to run with it. We are going to take that as long as we can go. You're like, and we did. For two whole seasons. Did you ever warm to her? Not really. I mean, we were never friends. But I never hated her to the degree that then MTV had sort of created. Right. I've seen her since. She actually just came on the Back to the Beach podcast a few months ago. Which was so great. That's awesome. I was so happy she came on. Obviously, it's all water under the bridge. I mean, this was like 18 years ago. Yeah, you're like, you're like, yeah, you're like, yeah. You're like, yeah. And I think even like in our early 20s, we had seen each other, we didn't give a shit, you know. But right. Yeah, obviously we're- It's television. It's tough. It's. It's tough.

television, it's entertainment. You have to have this drama. Otherwise, there's not a show. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But do those old feelings still come up? Because I know, like, even when you see, like, someone that you're crushed liked in 20 years later. You see. When I'm still over it. No, no. Like when you run into someone from the past and you're like, ooh. No, I, I, no. Okay. I'm pretty over it, especially because I feel like it was such an impactful time in my life that I really had to, like, work through it all. Right. And doing this podcast with Stephen, my high school boyfriend. Right. You know, it's been so incredible in so many ways. But there's no romantic anything going on there. Yeah. So, no, like, the three of us in the same room was just like, how funny that we all went through

this together. Yeah. Yeah. Is he married? He has a girlfriend. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And she's adorable. Me? I love you. I know. Yeah, no, he's off the table. Okay. Just checking. Just checking. God. That's so crazy, though, to go back and revisit it. Okay, my next question. If you had to join a cult, which one would you join? I don't know how to pronounce these, Rob. Oh, you put...

Nexium, Scientology. Well, she could be any cults. I'm just giving you some examples. Christianity. I got to be honest, I don't know a whole lot of cults. I don't need... Definitely not Scientology. This is the Olivia question.

I love it. Sorry. What would you join? I don't know. I mean... Feed her some cults. There's nexium. There's the one with all the...

Next time was the sex cult that the girl from Smallville promoted people? I would join that one. No. Since I need to have all these one-night stands now, you know. I mean, here we go. It's like the Divideians. I don't know if these are either. I don't know any of these, you guys.

What's the one with the drinking the Kool-Aid? Oh, that's the dude. Yeah. The dude. You know. That's the dude from the one. What's his name, Rob? The dude from the one.

Yeah. Where they drink the Kool-Land? Yeah. Like an actual Kool-Aid. Jones Town. Jones Town. Yeah. That's where this expression comes from, a cult.

Cole, did you know that? And like Ruby Ridge. I did not know that. Holy shit, my mind's blown. I know. I know. I learned that like a year ago. What's the one with all the girls that look like they live in the Pilgrim Times?

I would do that one. He's got like 57 wives. Oh, the polygamous. Or that's a show, I think. You're like TLC? No. It's not. The Divideons.

The Divideons. That was in Waco, Texas. He had a ton of wives, too. Were they dressed like Mars? I just watch it's like something, God darn it. It's like speak child come quickly or something. The Rajneeshis. Oh, I love the Rajneesh.

Guys, I need to clearly. I'm with you. I don't know any calls. Yeah, I don't think I'm joining a cult, to be honest. Is that okay? Can I just not? Yeah, let's just not join one. If we started one.

We could start one. Our call would be like the best call. Clearly. Early 2000. It's called the aught. We follow each other around with cameras. The aught's goal. I'll join that one.

Yeah, that's fun. That is fun. Okay. We're going to come up with one. I'm into that. Strangest purchase you've ever made. Oh, God. The hard-hitting questions, you guys.

I know. Strangest purchase I've ever made. I haven't bought anything that weird. I don't think. I'm like trying to. thing. I mean, this is just recent that pops in my head, but I didn't necessarily buy this, but one of my boys bought fart spray and fart bombs. Excuse me? So literally, they had two snow days last week, which we had no snow, so that was interesting. And I was like, well, I'm getting a

massage today. I'm not changing my schedule around. So I had a girl come to the house and they're throwing fart bombs in the room the entire time in my massage service was like, you guys, I'm almost done. Oh, she was like so mad. I thought you said my sex three for a business for a second. Sex is not even on the table right now. That's why you're going to a sex therapist. To help you through it. Oh, my God. Oh, those little things, are they the little things you throw at the floor and they snap and smell awful?

Oh, I remember those from high school. Yeah. So that's the world I'm living in right now. Dropping bombs. Maybe that's where it comes from. They used to throw in Vegas. People's feet. That's the cold rejoining dropping bombs.

Dropping bombs. Oh, my God. Would you ever date another? Quarterbacker athlete? So I don't want to. But will I... That's not at the top of my list. Also, I think I'm kind of too old for athletes now.

However, for some reason, they like me. So I get approached by a lot of athletes. Oh. But I... Married athletes. Like, um... Recently divorced and retired? Oh, recently retired athletes?

Yeah. Because sign me. Yeah. No, I've gotten a lot of like 29-year-olds, which I'm also like, this is. How do you feel about that? I've entertained it. I've dated a couple kids in their 20s, and I can't. I'm now like, this is silly.

I can't. I need someone who's established. Like, I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. It's been fun for a five seconds. Yeah. Thank you.

What did you say? I get, like, she's like an athlete's prototype. Yeah, but I'm like, you guys, I have three kids. I'm not having more kids, by the way. Oh, yeah. I'm a lot older than you. you. Like, what, I know how I'm fun, all right, but like, I still got it. But no, it's, it's been an interesting thing for me. Because you realize, like, no, these aren't the things like, I can

maybe have fun, but it's not. Yeah, because I'm just, I'm in a phase of my life right now where I'm trying to, well, I'm only doing the things I love, but I'm taking everything off of my plate. I'm trying to just, my work life balances in a great place. It's definitely more life than work right now, which I'm really happy about. And I respect anyone who's hustling, making a name for themselves. I am here for it. Unfortunately, it's just a very different place of life that I'm in. And all these guys want kids. And I'm like, well, that's, I'm not going to have more kids. Is that sort of a hard line for you? It's, it would be so hard for me to go back and have another one because my baby is seven. Right. And I can't imagine going back and doing it all again. So unless I met the love of my

freaking life and he wanted one and didn't have any, maybe. But like, I don't think so. It's a lot to think back once you're at in the fate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I get it. Cruise control. It took a long time to get here. So, right. Yeah. And if you think of the sound of the pump, that's what I'm saying. Then you're just like, I got my boots done after my third. Did you? Did you? I noticed you grueling. Yeah. Your fantastic. Your boobs look really good. I got a lift. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Needed. That was, it was sad. Did you breastfeed three? All three of them.

Yeah. It takes a light. I mean, they're gone. I was just skin. Right. It's disgusting. I'm with you. Deplated little pancakes.

Like this is what has to happen. Sorry. No, it's the best thing I've ever done. And I was never like a plastic cert. Like I actually, for a long time, was against plastic surgery. But after the boob debacle, I was like, I'm here for this. It's a necessity at this point. Wow.

I love hearing that, you know, because it's just. Yeah. No, my boobs are. They're perky because they're lifted. They look great. They were lifted. They're literally lifted. You did it after your third.

Yeah. And I don't think anyone should do their boobs until they are 100% done having children. Right. Because they'll get ruined again. Yeah, there's no point. So, and I never got my boobs done pre-kids, which I know a lot of people do. And I know you can breastfeed with implants and everything too, but I'm pretty sure it still ruins them.

So I would wait. Right. If there's young girls out there listening, wait. There's no point. No. Oh, we asked Heidi if you could breastfeed with implants, right? I mean, I know you can. I know you can. I meant what it was like or something. I don't know if it's easy, though. I think it's like you can.

Because they go under the muscle now. So I think it's. Oh, they do. Yeah. Or they can. I think mine. Yeah. So I think they're there. What? Yes, you can. After divorce. Pre. Pre. Pre-divorce. Oh. It's like my new. I just knew. You're like preparation for divorce. I love it. It was literally, as soon as I was done, nursing. my daughter, I was like, okay, it's time. Yeah. Yeah, it was not cute. How long did you nurse each one? So, Sailor was a year. And then Sailor's. So cute. Thank you. Yeah. She was my longest. I think because she was my last. I just enjoyed it more. Jaxie, I did six months and Cam, I did six months. Yeah, so it's two years of someone sucking on your teeth. Yeah, literally sucking the life out of you.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. I did six years of it. You did, how long did you nurse? Well, Three years each. God, I'm so, I freaking bow down to you. I wish I did longer with all of my kids. You do. You do? Yeah. I'm really, especially the boys. Yeah. I really wish I did. That's like the one thing. God, you guys are so impressive. We loved it, though. So yours are. That ain't that the truth. But it's worth it. That's the best thing you can do for your kids. Yeah. And once you get past six months, it's a freak, it's a breeze. I mean, you know, I shouldn't say a breeze. I actually thought breastfeeding was the hardest part of all of it. Really? Well, in the beginning, because it is a full-time job, you're tied down to it. Yeah. I mean, it's a sacrifice you have to make, but it's worth it. But yeah, like I found out with Sailor, when I got to a certain point, I was like, when they're eating every four hours, it's relatively easy. And so I wish I just would have done it longer with my voice. Yeah. I didn't know how to parent without doing it. I didn't learn how to parent because I'm like, it cries. You put the boob in the mouth.

Oh, my God. It does this. You put the boob in the mouth. Oh, yeah. It's a solution to everything. Once you don't have that, I'm like, what are you supposed to do with these things? I know, it's true. And flying.

Flying. Oof. Couldn't have done it with my baby without her on a boob. Yeah. That was hard. I mean, you can do it, but it was. You can. But yeah, no.

The boop. Yeah. It is. The boobes are everything. You know, we talked about this a bit before starting. Yeah. figure looks insane. Thanks.

Diculous. Thanks, you guys. And it's obvious that you take good care of yourself. What do you do? Okay, so I'll start with working out. I'm committed and I think it's consistency. So I'm in L.A. I don't live here full time.

But even when I'm out here, I worked out at 7 a.m. this morning, 6 a.m. yesterday morning. You just have to make the commitment. And I got my ass handed to me by a trainer out here in L.A. But typically I work out with a trainer one day a week and it's really heavy weight. And then I'll do cardio one. day and I'll lift weights myself, another two. So I usually work out four to five times a week. Wow. Cardio, I'm only doing 30 minutes, though. I'm not like, I'm not, and I think there's,

it's all about like the balance and the freedom, not to just drive yourself crazy with it. Yeah. If I'm traveling a lot, maybe I don't work out as much and that's okay. You know, it's not beating yourself up about it. I also eat very healthy. I'm kind of a hippie in that sense where I'm very natural. I don't count calories or any of that stuff. I just read ingredient labels. So if it's not real. I pretty much stay away. You're not going to find a lot of processed food in my house. I love to cook. But then if I'm traveling or I go out to eat, I don't care. I indulge. I have whatever I want. Because again, it's all about that balance. Yeah. And it's the freest I've ever been with food. In my early 20s, I was very strict. And it was like, I have to be so good all week. And then the weekends,

I would bingey. And it was just like this freaking roller coaster. And you're a slave to it. And you're a slave to it. So it actually was when I became pregnant. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to, ease up. I'm going to let myself indulge, enjoy it, not beat myself up. And I didn't gain that much weight. It was easy for me to lose. Granted, I was 25. But I mean, I think there was some truth to that. Just that freedom that I had with eating and working out and everything was really nice. So I've maintained that. I think being pregnant to, at least in my experience, because I used to do the same thing. I used to binge eat. I was like gnarly binge eater. Yep. But when I got pregnant. I had such a different relationship with my body. Yes. That there was so much healing

that took place during that time where I was like, it wouldn't occur to me to do that to myself while I had that baby. Right. Right. It's like you're satiated in a different way and you start to kind of care for your body in a different way, don't you think? Yes. You have this newfound love for your body, I think, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice. It is nice. Yeah, it is. I wish we could have that at 25 before having a baby. I know it. Right. I know it. God, it's so true. But that's part of growing up and maturing, you know. Yeah, that's true. I think you're, like, that's why I love my 30s is just being so comfortable in your skin, you know. It's a really nice feeling. Just being like, and it just keeps getting better. It keeps getting better. Being rock solid and who you are. It's really nice. I know. Yeah. So what motivates you with the working out. Is it mental health? Is it physical health? Is it the way you feel, the way you look like, I want to know what gets you up to be there at seven in the morning? It's honestly all of the above. I mean, I think, for. me, I notice mentally, if I don't work out, I get a little, you know, like I just, I need that release. So I definitely feel better. Of course, the physical aspect. But it's more just like getting

it all out. I love, I have a gym in my basement, which I put in. That was important to me. Like, it's important to me. Yeah. Nothing I love more than just blasting music and just having that hour to myself. I don't check my phone. It's like, it's almost like my therapy in a way. Yeah. And I love that. Yeah, the discipline you have, though, to do the weights on your own and stuff. Like, see, I think that. Yeah. I don't know that I could do that. I mean, I don't push myself as hard as a trainer does, but I'm definitely, I'm able to. But the fact that you just go and do it is really impressive. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you. I don't. I need someone to make me do things in all areas. I get it. I know. I mean, not in like, you know, super inappropriate, like areas, but like.

Every fast. In every. What's the strangest reason you've ever broken up with someone? Oh my gosh. I know. It's hard to think of some of these. Well, I've only, so, I mean, I guess, strangest reason maybe to end someone that you're dating or talking to. Yeah, I can be that. Okay, because I've, every boyfriend I've broken up with has been for like a valid reason.

Like ending my marriage valid. All of my previous boyfriend's all valid. I, okay, I'm trying to think, you know, this is the only thing that comes to mind. And it's, I went on a group date with someone. And I was an end of this guy. And he texted me and I thought it was being very mature. And I was like, hey, you know what? Like so great meeting you.

Didn't feel any chemistry, blah, blah, blah. Ghosted me. Deleted my number because we've had mutual friends. And then all of his friends were making fun of him about it for a week. And I was like, I thought I was being really mature. Like, because nowadays everyone wants to just ghost and be like, like, bitches about it. I was like, okay, I can't freaking win. I thought I was doing the right thing. And be known what it is, he's the most insecure person on the planet. So you couldn't handle it.

Any normal guy would be like, hey, I really respect that. Yeah, like, if they're mature and like, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. So that was the right thing to do. Thank you. That was very nice of you. Because by the way, I would want that in return. If someone wasn't into me, like, just freaking tell me instead of either stringing me along or ghosting me. Right. Like, just tell me. How did you feel if someone said that, though? I mean, obviously, it would sting at first, but then you would be like, thank, I respect it. Right. It's all good.

Now I don't have to sit here and obsess over the fact that I'm not hearing from you. Exactly. Right. Exactly. It's rude. How old was he? Older. Oh.

But, um, interesting. He was as 40s. Oh, wow. All he did was talk about how much money he has. Oh, no. I am so disgusted. I actually have seen him later and he was like, just tell me what I did wrong. And I was like, okay, well, you didn't stop talking about how much money you had.

He was like, I knew it. I knew it. Oh, my God. But if I can help you. out for the future. Sure. Let me try. Stop killing your cash at the table.

Literally disgusting. Well, it's so obvious, right? When they're doing those things like, oh, what, yeah. It's like my super mono girlfriend. The commercial. He talked about his ex-girlfriend, this actress ex-girlfriend. And I was like, okay. These are all like incredibly very.

They're all narcissist men. Yes. We love talking red flags. We've been talking about that a lot lately. Yeah. Like, okay, so obviously those are red flags. Are there any other that come to your mind that like if you're on a first date and this happens, you're like, no.

The money thing is huge. That is, that's a big one. I think a guy who is going to trash all of his exes makes me go, hmm, you're the common denominator. That's right. That's right. That's right. I did date someone like that one.

She sure did. Yeah. I didn't even like in the moment, you don't really think, but then looking back, you're like, wait, well, I picked up on it. Every single person, not even girl for, every single person they were like talking shit about. Yeah. That was the first thing I noticed about.

That was the first thing. Did you say something? To her? Yeah. Not at the time. Yeah. You did? Yeah.

Because Jeff did. My husband did. He was like, I don't like the way he is about X, Y, and Z. And I was like, neither do I want me. Yeah. Yeah. Because if that's how you are, that's how you are. You're negative.

Also, I think if someone's going to talk shit on everybody, they're talking shit about you. Right. They are. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's what bothered me. Yeah.

No, that's a good one. That is a good red flag. I love the red flag. Okay. Okay. I'm trying to think. We do this one a lot. What about when the bill comes? Okay, I'm old school in the sense that I think a guy should pay for the first few dates. I'm not even going to offer on the first date. Sorry, I'm just not. But I will after a couple. She's the best. Or like, I'll get, oh, I'll get. Oh, all right. You'll get it.

Yeah, you do the pretend going for your purse. Uh-huh. Yeah. But I had to get, well, I'll just say it. Yeah. Tyler came and stayed with me for three days over New Year's. Yeah. He didn't let me pay for one thing, which I was like, okay. why you're still talking to him. You're a gentleman. Like, that's a nice guy. That's a nice guy. It's making an effort. Like, regardless, I don't care how much money you have. It's like the act of like, making an effort. Yeah. And just like I would. I'd be like at breakfast, I'd be like, let me get this money. He's like, there's no way, you know? Like, it's sweet. And I think because now dating guys don't put in any effort. They expect the girl to go haves, he's on everything. They don't want, it's like, I'm over that. I actually want to be courted and I want the guy to put in the effort in the

beginning. Yeah. Call me crazy, but... No. I thought you'd like, call me Kristen. Call me, Kristen. Call me. Call me. Literally call me. Literally, please. That's your new tagline. Yeah. Anyone. Oh, my God. But I also think that this generation right below us is so much different than our generation is that we almost sometimes get frowned upon for being old school. I agree. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Well, that's why I'm not dating 28-year-olds. Thank you. But it's because social media and these dating apps have ruined everybody because everyone's looking for the next best thing.

They don't really have to put an effort. At least some of these guys that I've dated who might have a little notoriety or whatever, I'm like, ugh, you guys are the worst because girls throw themselves at you. They think they don't have to do anything. Yeah. So, and then I'm challenging because I make you put in a little work. Right. I can't.

I don't play that game. Right. I'm not going to. Yeah. And girls throw themselves at guys in a way that. Oh my God. It's disgusting. But you're like, how do the guys not see through?

See, I think they, I think they do. They just want to like, but like, it's easy. It's easy. Because they don't want to put in any work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's disgusting to me. Girls have a little more self-respect. I know.

Bobby Lee was on the show and he was showing us pictures from his DM. Like, don't tell me naked photos and shit. Oh, is there? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. The things these girls send, we were like, what in that actually. Literally instead of a handshake, like, here's my vagina. That's insane.

Inside of it. Inside of it. Inside of it. From behind. Just like, stop. It's the old school paparazzi shot, but now. Yeah. You guys.

I know. This is just, I am sorry. I know. That is wild. What does it take for you to send, like, you know. Like a little frisky. You know, it's got to be someone that I'm, like, pretty serious about where I don't think you're getting nudes from other girls. And I also don't think you're showing all your friends.

Yeah. Because of course, like in your position, you got to think, like, they might be like, oh, man. I'm showing my friends all the phone. It's true. That's all we do. Literally all we do. Obviously, like everyone, if you're like intercourse, season knows everything. I have shown all of my friends dick pics.

Oh. Oh, yeah. Was it you ever showing me? You wanted to show me and I was like, I don't want to see it. Oh, yeah. She just says I want to see it. Well, it's like. Yeah, I know.

We have so much to go over. I was close with the person. So I was like, I don't really need to. Oh, my God, I love you. You know what I mean? Oh, but our other best friend was like, fuck yeah. And I have a picture of her reaction looking to this. So, right.

And she's like an higher mouth to the time. Obviously huge. Well, it's small or huge. Yeah. No. A reaction like that is one or the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't want to show you Jeff's penis, though.

But that's your husband. Right. But what if one of these guys ends up your husband? I feel like if my marriage. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like if I was like maybe this is my head. No, I'd still sure.

No, see, but if Rachel got sent strangers or someone I don't really know, I'd be like, of course, show me. But someone that I'm, like, eating dinner with tonight, I'm just like, we could skip that. That's so amazing. Oh, my God, but that's, yeah. That's so great. That's you. Like, yeah.

Yeah, I think you're off on your own little island about that. I might be. Yeah. Also, I have never sent a badge pick. I've only done that in my life to basically my husband. Okay, I guess, yes, my ex-husband. Right? Yes.

I don't do that. I'm not, like, just dating some dudes like, see my. My labia. Yes. No. No. Not cute. Yeah.

No, no, no. And those FBI agents. Oh my God. Yeah. I told a story. I had to like, I told them. Send a badge pick to some FBI agent? No, they came to my house.

She had idea it. With a CD rom of pictures that someone stole from my email. Stop. Yes. Okay. They were like, is this your vagina? Yes. Literally, Kristen.

No. They're going through. It's like my tits. I'm like, yes, it's me. And then it's like my ass. I'm like, yes, it's me. And then it's literal fingers inside inside vats. Vag, okay? And they get to that picture and I'm like, that's not me.

Yeah, 100%. I would never do that. No. I would never take a photo like that in my life. Oh my God. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh. Wait, by the way, someone stole these photos and they didn't get out. No, they kept it for him. He kept it for himself. Okay. That's also pretty funny. It's pretty creepy. Oh my gosh. Do you imagine? Wow. But no, my head's not. I never put my face ever. Never put your face and head out. Damn it.

That's what I'm going to teach my daughter. That's right. The one takeaway. The one thing you learned from me, Saylor. Yeah. You cut your head out. By the time your daughter's old enough, they're probably not even going to wear clothes anymore. It's true.

You know what I mean? They're going to be like, Mom, you're so prude. You're wearing clothes. Right. Did the Instagram just like free the nip? Like you can like show nipples on Nt. She'll be honest. It's like I'm Rodd.

I used her Instagram now. Emily. I do the same. I don't think, and I think they still. I've seen some nips. She was showing her nips. She's like Instagram like free at the nips. Some have, but they don't.

I'm going to try it later. Do you see her nips? I will be there to witness. Well, they do it because you can't tell age. Wait, what? What? That's what the Instagram guy said. What do you mean?

They can't patrol if it's an underage person. I see what you're saying. Okay. So it's just like kind of lesser of evils. Okay. Well, that's a fair reason. Yeah. That makes sense.

support that. All right, fine. All right, we stay corrected. Whatever. I won't post my nipples later. Or will I? Just test the water. I mean, we shall see.

Okay. Where's the weirdest place that you've had sex? Okay. You know, like at Six Flags, those photo booths? Yes. I had sex on one of those. You did? Yeah, you guys, this, yeah.

This was for you. An actual six flags. This is pre-me being on TV. I could never do that shit now. Oh. Wait, were you taking photos while you were fucking? Probably, yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Impressive. Thank you. That is impressive. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you. I really appreciate you guys.

I have sense with you. I can't even. I cannot even. Wait, do you guys have good ones? Oh, no. That's what we're like, what is. You definitely. You definitely.

I haven't told that one. What do you just shame me for? You're shaming you. Why are you shaming me? go into like these sexings and I'll be like yeah like inside of my vagina and they're like we've never like sent pictures like that or like I've never received I'm like you guys are apple that's the one that's the one example it's one and only example all right weirdest place you guys have had sex go up in the club up in the club you did like like where in the club I need details like in the bathroom okay yeah women's or men's

with women or men with men no no no which bathroom the women's room it was a women's Okay. That's fun. That's fun. Yeah. This is good. I like that. Probably movie theater.

Okay. That's good. All right. Okay. Other people in the movie theater? No, I were. I was a projectionist. Oh, yeah.

You've told us this before. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, we've done this. We didn't keep the secret. And it's nothing that we get changed. Like, that's all. What happens in Vegas? What is the weirdest youth?

I don't have any weird. Oh, so. Oh, so. Oh, so. Oh, my God. She doesn't have any way. I'm going to have a one night stand. Okay.

So we have things to accomplish. We're busy. And Rob's going to send vad shots. Yeah. We all have an assignment. We all have an assignment. No, I've done, like, cars and, like, front lawn patches and whatever. It's not like I'm only in a bed, you guys.

Come on. Shit. Boring Bilsen in the bed. I'm bed Bilsen. What is your relationship with self-pleasure? A big fan. As soon as I got my divorce, my best. friend Stephanie was showing me all these different toys. I was like, well, I need all of them.

I got like eight fucking different toys. There was a period where I was masturbating like four times a day. Oh, these are amazing. And I've since tapered off a bit, but I'm all for it. I am all for it. Now, when you were married, were you still like entertaining that? Yeah, we had sex. I mean, I think I would masturbate. We said, yeah, we had sex. We had sex. We had sex. Yes, we had sex. I would masturbate, but I didn't need to as much. Obviously, I was actively having sex. But sex hasn't been on the table for me every day in the last few years. So I've had to. But it's been good because I've like reestablished this relationship with myself. I really think everyone should have that relationship. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. What motivated four times a day though, was it like,

I was just horny as fuck. Oh, you were horny. It was like the freedom all of a sudden of like doing it by myself. I was like, yes. Right. Awesome. I guess. I was really horny. Yes. It was easy too, you know. Yeah. I know exactly what I need to do. It's also a good, like, stress release, totally. Wait, what's your favorite toy? Heidi gave us one. What was it? She didn't give us. No, she didn't know. She gifted us. She gave us her. She recycled one. That sounds fun. I like the goop one. That one that looks like an ice cream cone or whatever. Also, is it Lilo? They have a lot of, they have a good ones too. Someone gifted me a Lilo one. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I have a travel one. You know, I mean, it's like, you know, we're equipped. One for every occasion. Fully equipped. Every environment. Pretty much. I love it. And I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I think women. I love it. I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I like to know, like, what actually is like? Yeah, I think it's good. People actually wrote in asking what the one Heidi suggested was. Didn't we say?

Did we write it down? Yeah, she said it. I mean, what guy can call her? You're like, I can literally find out. We're going to have a pool of like all the best, like, sex toys. I mean, that's a good idea. I mean, it's not bad. No.

Gwyneth was really onto something. It's true. It's true. Yeah. And that vibrator crushes it. Yeah. Anything that comes from Goop, I'm like, I trust that. 100%.

Well, it's also a good. conversation because people are so weird about self-pleasure and in the closet about it. Especially women, it's like men, it's obviously jack-off. Right? Yeah. So to even ask a question like that was kind of annoying when I read it. I'm like, wait a minute, what the fuck kind of question is that? Right. But I agree. Like we should talk about it more. Yeah, that's why we should talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We should normalize it. Absolutely. All my girlfriends masturbate. It's not like, I mean, my girlfriend, oh, now I'm like calling her out, but my girlfriend was like, I'm inspiration.

Oh my God. Two fingers, McGee. Over here. But I definitely think that we should normalize it. Yeah, 100%. How do you feel about having those conversations with your children? Do you talk about sex?

Not that. Yeah. Masturbating? Not you masturbating. Not yet. When she gets to the no head in the picture, she's going to like, you know, pair that with that. I am actually very open with my kids. And especially my oldest is starting to enter into that world.

Like, they know what sex is. And, like, the masturbating stuff is, like, starting to trickle in. And my kids are very comfortable with me, which I actually really like. But so there are conversations where I'm like, talk to your dad about this. And they're like, but I want to talk to you about it. And I'm like, okay. So, but it's, like, just the beginning stages of it. But I want to maintain that relationship where they feel so comfortable with me.

I would never shame them. I would never make them feel weird. Even like, my boys are obsessed with boobs right now, and I'm not like, oh, you, yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, okay, like, that's normal. Like, boobs are hot. Like, whatever. Yeah, I don't say that to them. But, you know what I mean?

Well, hell yeah. You like my new ones? Are you like me? But I just want them to always feel so comfortable in their sexuality and about their bodies. Like, two of my three are always naked. And I'm not like, put some clothes on. What do you do? I'm like, cool.

We're new to surround here. Yeah. Yeah, I grew up that way too. My mom was always like, you know, free with all that stuff. And I think that's really healthy. I think it's important. Yeah. To talk about it. Talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't embraced that yet with Briar or my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. I think, boy, we have a 10-year-old boy. That's the problem. It's like all his friends are talking about jerky off and stuff. And the problem is, a lot of his friends are the youngest. So, like, some of his friends have 15-year-old brothers and sisters and stuff. So it's like, that's how it is. We're my daughter is the baby of three. So she's probably going to be the one corrupting her friends, you know.

It's just how it happens. Oh my God. So, yeah, but 10. My brother was totally. Literally, that was like, oh, my God. But so, yeah, fourth grade, it definitely, it starts. I feel like I hear fourth grade. Yeah.

I feel like that might be universal. Yeah. So who was saying that? Maybe Nicole or something. But even like I had sex ed in fifth grade, and this is a bajillion years ago. Do they still teach sex ed? I don't even really know. I feel like they don't.

Do they not? I don't know. They do? Yeah. I would assume they must. I mean, they have to. Right. She's called something.

Oh, sure, sure. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. There should be mental health classes. Agreed. Oh, 1,000%. I agree.

A thousand percent. That is way above anything else. In our cult, we're going to have. Yes. You guys. Yeah. We'll have our own school. Yeah.

A table of all the top of the line. Four times a day a masturbation break. For stress to leave. Dude, our cult is going to fucking dominate. I am all in you guys. Dominate. I think we have this. We're on.

You're on lock. I do. I'm excited. I know. It's your turn. No, it's a self-pleasure. Oh, you did? Oh. What's your weirdest turn on? Oh, God. Oh, man. Okay, we're just really digging in. I know we like to go there. I'm into it. I've never done this. But what I have found through my self-pleasure and I've dabbled in porn a bit is like having someone watch me. Yeah. But I haven't actually had someone watch me, but I think it would be pretty hot. Yeah. What did you say it's called? voyeurism. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the technical term? Yeah, when either you're watching and having someone watch. Yeah. Yeah. You were going to do that in New York, remember?

Remember, we found a hotel where you could go watch people have sex? Oh, wow. Rob was like, kept sending me. It's a thing. Yeah, there's a thing. There's a hotel in New York. What's it called, Chris? Like I said, I'm off to go to New York. But it's just like the beds right in a window. Wow. And they purposely do that. What was I just?

New York's got it all. Was I reading something about that? What was it? About watching people? Someone did send us something. I don't know if you read it. It's called Public Hotel. Public Hotel.

Well, that makes sense. Thank you. Public Hotel. I'll be in New York pretty soon. Yeah. Oh, I feel like I was just watching something. You're reading something. Okay, whatever.

Anyway, totally get that. I love that you're so open about it. Appreciate. I told you. I don't have a filter. No, here we are. Yeah, we don't. But now Rob has to answer the question.

I agree. Yeah. Damn it. Make you feel like, you know. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Let's go.

What's the question? Weirdest turn on. He's going to get bright red or start sweating. No, I don't think I have. Yeah, you have one. You have one. He's also peeing on me. That's Rachel's friend.

That's Rachel's second. Yeah, guys, really just shit right on me. Yeah, we love that. I'm going to really get off on that. Oh. I don't know. Oh, man. That's no fun.

See? Damn it. Olivia is her husband delivering babies. God, is that what I said? Yeah. When he's on call. That's amazing. I find it attractive.

No, that's hot. That is really hard. I thought it was like specifically about sex. I could come up with scenarios like that too. She's like when someone touches my son man. No, I didn't mean someone watching me. I would not, you guys, I would never. No, but I like that idea too, though.

It's high. I do, yeah. I don't know if I can ever actually do it, but the thought of it. No, I like it. Thank you. Someone watch. Yeah, I'd be done. Yeah.

I like when my wife's sick. Oh, my God. You want to take care of her? Well, her body's like warm. Oh. This is good. That's the weird. Yeah, that's so much.

She's throwing up on you. You're like, this is hot. She's like dying with bronchitis. I can't like to dish it in her. Yeah, the more terminal, the better. Oh my God, that is amazing. That is amazing. I love that. I like the body warm. She's like so annoyed though. She's like so sick. Stop touching me. Oh my God. I'm dying. We're learning a lot about each other. We are. Rainy days. A rainy day. A rainy day. A rainy day. A rainy day is very romantic and feel very. Randy. Absolutely. I always like to have sex in hotels. Like if you put me in a hotel room, I automatically. Okay. Yeah. I get that. Not the With hotel?

But for some reason, you know, you're home, you're tired. It's like bedtime. But for some reason, when you're in a hotel, maybe it's the crisp sheep. Well, it's like getting out of the routine. Yeah, I think that's part of it too. Fuck me in the kitchen on the counter. You know what I'm saying? Can we not?

It's like it's crown hogs day. Like, let's just change it up a little bit. Do you still like you feel you want that even after like such a long time and you're so used to someone? Yeah. Can we just even changing locations? Now, do you like if he instigates or do you like to instigate? Both.

Yeah. But I feel like it's typically more the guy, just at least for my... She's like, I feel like typically men really want me. You're like always trying to fuck. Yeah. You're like, there seems to be like a theme. It's like a theme in my life. Yeah. No, no. Like every relationship though, I feel like mostly the guy is. But sometimes, you know, I will. I will. Yeah. I like to be courted, you know? Yeah. Yes, we get it. Oh, no. Did I just say that one? You can go and whatever. I don't know. It has to be a ping pong match. How do you feel about open relationships?

Couldn't do it. I get why some people do. I could never. I couldn't do it. Me neither. No. We get to come across someone that said yes. Really?

Which is funny to me because I know that there's a huge swingers community. Right. It's happening. It's happening. But like the type of person that could, yeah. I could never. I could never. Or maybe everyone we ask is fine.

But that's what I'm saying. I almost wonder if someone. they just don't want to put that out there. Like Rob. Rob 100% as a swinger. Only sick. Only sick swingers. Just the hospital.

That's also the weirdest place. That's also the weirdest place. That was my weirdest place. At the hospital? Oh, that was my weirdest place. That's a good one. So your husband actually delivers babies. He used to.

This is real. This is like a fantasy. It's not. He's just delivering all these babies. He's out the door. He's in the side closet in the hospital. The hospital is a good one though. Yeah.

That is a good one. Yeah. I don't need to get out more. What's the lowest you've ever stooped to get back at an X? I really, I don't play that game. I'm more, unless I'm trying to think like my early 20s and stuff, but I don't think I ever really was vindictive like that. It was more like, I'm just done with you. I want to move on.

I'm not trying to, like, be an asshole. I think it's good. Yeah. Very healthy. I like your attitude. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

Because once I'm done with someone, I'm done, I'm not like, yeah. I'm with you on that. Yeah. So is she. I know. I get pretty cutthroat. Same. Same.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. What's your birthday? January 5th. Oh, happy birthday. Thank you. Thank you.

What are you guys? Virgo. Libra and Virgo. Yeah. I don't know a whole lot about. Gemini. Oh, you're crazy. Yes.

Split personality? Yep. That's right. That's right. Would you date someone that dated your close friend? I don't think so. Like, I think it's different when you're 18. Yeah.

There's a little more crossover. But as you get older, my friends are the most important people to me. And I feel like if they're actually dating someone, it's not, like, it's a little bit more serious as an adult than it is when you're younger. So no, I don't think I would go down that road. Yeah. Yeah. Because I also feel like if, well, the debt did actually happen to me. It wasn't a good friend, but someone did date my ex.

And I was like, oh, I didn't think we played like that anymore, but okay. Like your ex-husband? Yeah. Oh. See, that I feel like. Yeah. That's a lot of. Well, you know what that person is?

Not your friend. Right. Amen. That is no longer your friend. Bye. Yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly right.

Right. Yeah. Brutal. That person is history. Yeah. Speaking of history, if you could have sex with anyone in the history of the world, which three people would you pick? Three people. Okay, this is fun. Yeah, three. You get three. Wow, guys, you're so generous.

In the history of the world? Yep. Kelly Slater back in the day. Oh, okay. What the fuck, you guys? Oh, my God. I was just talking to my friend about this. Wait until you see the Pamela Anderson documentary. She dated him the pictures. I was like, oh, oh, my God. In the high, like, young Kelly Slater. Oh. Holy shit. Okay. Quite honestly, probably the hottest man of life.

Okay, I'm trying to think in the history. Dead or alive. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are like so nice to me. I would honestly go Johnny Depp like back in the day. Oh, my God. And Brad Pitt and like Legends of the Fall.

Legends of the Fall. Tristan, I can't. A hundred million percent. Oh, you chose so well. Thank you. God. Thank you. I'm so with you.

I mean, the hottest. What stage is Johnny Depp? Like Cry Baby? Do you remember Cry Baby? Oh my God. That's huge. Guys, get the fuck out of here with that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, makes me a cute a little bit.

Literally. Yeah. No. Yes. But I was also in my younger years, obsessed with Patrick Swayze from Dirty Dam. Oh, my God. Yes. Okay, you're right.

You know. You're right. Tough. His picture was like taped up to my bunk bed roof. Yeah. So I would see him every night before bed. Wait, you know who else I actually love is. And why am I blank?

I'm from Yellowstone. Why am I blanking on his name right now, you guys? Kevin Costner. Oh my God. Like bodyguard? Like, bodyguard. Oh, my God. Kristen, I called orange juice Frank Farmer.

I was so obsessed. That was his name in the movie and he only drank orange juice. You guys, oh my God. Oh, my God. I'm still. It's so weird. He never did it for me. Oh, in that movie?

No. Did you not watch the bodyguard? Of course I did. I loved it and I always thought Kevin Costner was a no for me. Really? Yeah. Wow. No, I felt it's so hard.

So hard. So hard. Okay. We clearly have the same time. We really do. This is good. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. We were learning so much. Truly. I'm loving this. What about River Phoenix back in the day? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't as hard. Oh, my God. It wasn't the top. Do you know? And you guys might not relate on this one. But when, now, I know if I say this because now. But Terminator 2 when it came out, Edward for a long, do you remember? Oh, I loved him. Oh, okay. He was so. I get it. I get that. Beautiful. Cute in that movie. Yep, I get that.

I really liked him. Okay. I get that one. The Leonardo Caprio back in the day was like, the fucking. Well, okay, Romeo and Juliet. Oh my God. 100. I never wanted to hook up with Leo, like in the LA days.

It was not appealing to me. Oh, was it on the table? Yeah. Wow. And you didn't take that? No, because I feel like everyone's up with him. Yeah? I think you're probably right.

Yeah. Like some of those guys, it was like when they sleep with everybody in L.A., it's like, that's not cute. You're like I'm not interested. No, it's not cute. Cute. Who else was like crazy on the table? They were like, no. Hold on. I, I still would have, you would have fucked Leo. I would have done it for my people. Oh. For the taking one for the team. I respect that. For my, for my inner. No, but I love it more that you didn't. Yeah. Well, he also tried to fuck ever. I mean,

it's like, to me, that's just gross. I didn't turn out a lot of people, to be honest. But. There were a couple. Oh my God. You. I cannot. Any other good ones? I mean, God. This This is where I always get in so much trouble. Is there anyone you can share that you would feel okay about sharing? That's even the Leo thing. I'm like, fuck, what did I just say? No, you said you didn't sleep with him. I know, but then it's like, you know, whatever.

No, I'm going to stop. I know. Yeah, that's true. I'll stop while on my head. I know where your brain goes because mine would do the same thing. Yeah, I'll give you a whole list. When we all go to dinner, that's what I'm going to dinner list. I'm so down for a dinner list.

I love that. Yeah. What's one piece of advice you'd give you? your younger self. Okay. I always say to live in the moment more, I was always wanting to be in the next phase of life where now I'm like, God, those were some of the best years of your life. And I lived it up, but it was like, why couldn't you just be content with where you're currently at and just know that everything is going to work out? Because everything always does end up working out. Yep. I think that is so true. We could all know that younger. Right? Yeah. I'm with you. What's your love language?

Words of affirmation. One million percent. I feel like we have a thing. Candle spirits. Yes, we do. It's true. Leo didn't try to fuck me, but it's fine. Probably because you never have that. I'm pretty sure if you guys were together.

I don't know. I have a few others for a dinner list. Okay, okay. I'm excited for this. We have a couple. Yeah, but I'm kind of bummed about the, like, what? What?

I'm just bummed about these opportunities that were missed. I, you know, if it presents itself again, I'll do it for you. Thank you. Maybe he could be my one-night stand. Oh, my God. That's a perfect one-night stand-by. That's a perfect one. Absolutely.

He's actually perfect. Is it perfect? His cap, though, like 20-5? Yeah, I'm actually too old for him. No, you definitely could seal the deal. I don't think that's true. No, there's like a chart. There's a chart.

There's a chart. He breaks up with them by like 27. No. After his most recent ex, yeah, I think I actually saw that. It's like right after her birthday. Yeah, he's like, oh, are you serious? I'm too old. Well, that's what.

No, no, you're not. Um, she can fucking land Leo. I'm sorry. I'm putting it out there. You're like, I don't want it. She's only doing it once for you. I'm doing it for you. For me. Specifically for you.

Thank you. You're welcome. You're just going to text me. You're welcome. Yeah, you're welcome. They're like a close up of his penis. I'll try to get one. I'll try to get one.

Okay. We always end with our game. Fuck Mary Till. Love. We have. Pete Davidson Okay Patrick Mahomes

Nick Vile Who's Nick Vile? Oh I said We didn't know if you would know Okay We could come up with someone Is he from The Bachelor? Oh see I was a back

Oh Caitlin He's one of Caitlin's exes See I haven't watched it though You have to watch her Well she just said she wouldn't date Her friends She's gonna kill him Oh okay

I would have to get Yeah Okay okay so it's Leo Patrick Mahomes And Pete Davidson I'm gonna fuck Pete Davidson and to see what all the rage is. Respect that.

Yeah, like, let's figure this out. I would, you know, I'd probably marry Patrick Mahomes because my oldest son thinks he is, like, God. So take one for the team. Yeah. Seems like a nice family man. And then I guess I'm going to kill Leo. Sorry, Olivia.

Olivia, your dreams crushed before they could begin. We respect it. Oh, my God. I love you so much. I love you. Like, you're fucking amazing. This was so much fun. So fun.

Thank you for coming on and talking to us. being so open and awesome. You guys are the best. I'm so happy we finally made this happen. Me too. Thank you. Yes. Thank you guys for having me.

We're definitely, will you please let me know when you're here? I'm always back. We're going to dinner. 100%. Cannot wait to exchange a list. Yes. Sharing those hidden lists.

Sharing is caring. Let the rain fall down. I'm just kidding. I was just trying to segue. Jeez. It was a great segue. Transition. Okay, what? French comedian?

Don't call me that. Yeah, that's derogatory. I was watching this French comedian. He was really funny. He's like, people in America, they talk so different. He's like, it was really funny. He goes, I text a girl that I wanted to go on a date with. And I said, do you want to go to dinner or to drinks? And she's like, I'm down. And he goes, oh, no, are you okay? I'm so sorry. And she goes, no, no, no, no. I'm up for going out. like, okay, do you want to go out to dinner or whatever or whatever? And she's like, I'm in. And he's like, oh, you're staying in and you're down. And she's like, no. And then he said something about like, when a girl in America says I'm good, when you say, do you want another drink and she says I'm good, that means she's not good. That's so true. Isn't it true? Whenever we're like, I'm good. Well, what about in what did Nicole tell us in England they call whipped cream

squirty cream squirty cream which is really just gives you certain feels and oh oh and then he said to his friend well I asked this girl out

and she said oh yeah that's dope what does that mean and he goes it means she's too young what like if you're using those kind of words oh geez that tells you I'm way too old I'm like I don't get it

I don't get it or I'm so young I use dope that was a dope joke glue. Thanks. I'm down. Rob's awfully quiet over there. Because he's too young, he doesn't get any of these words we're using. Yeah, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Well, you knew who Kristen was, right? Yeah, I did. Okay. That's a win for us. That is a win for us. I just love her so much. I do too. She's hilarious. I really appreciate an unfiltered, awesome. Broad. Broad. That's true. And it was a really fun conversation.

Did you burn your neck with a curling iron? Or is that a Hick, a Valentine's Day Hickey? What's on me? Yeah, you have a burn on your neck. I didn't burn myself. I would have felt that. Oh, it's probably a scratch from Shepard. He's clawing you?

He flip-flops on me all night around. Yeah, he claws me. He sure does. He flip-flopped on you? He flip-flops on me all night around. Just moves around. Yeah. If you could only watch one movie for the rest of you.

of your life, what would it be? Rob. I'd pick in Bruges. Huh. You still have not watched that, have you? No. I started it. I've seen it a lot.

It's still good. It still holds up. What would you watch, Lou? I think that I would have to go with, oie, either dirty dancing or stand by me. Yeah. Rachel, what's yours? When Harry met Sally, probably.

Or our version or the real ones? Only if Rob plays Billy Crystal. The real one you loved? I love when Harry met Sally. Do you love it? Of course. He just love it. Is there anyone who doesn't love it?

Rob, do you love it? He's never seen it. I've seen it. He's not a fan of Rom Con. Clearly, when you pick no country for old men is his. I don't know, guys. The best is when my brother called. Did we record that?

No. Olivia's brother called from jail. Right after Kristen's interview. Yeah. And told us how cute definitely maybe was. Yeah, he's like in jail. You can hear the prisoners in the back. And I was like, hey, what's your favorite rom-com?

And he's like, oh, I just watched Definitely Maybe. It's so cute. You got to watch it. It's so cute. He called me the next thing and was like, did you watch Definitely Maybe? It's so cute. Are we allowed to talk about you can text and watch movies and call people that free? In jail?

You can. What, I don't, I don't, that's not the jail I know of. Well, this is, yeah, he can watch movies and he has, he has, he's got an iPad. He's got some sort of iPad access where he can FaceTime, text, and watch movies. Is it like only certain times of the day? I believe so. But he's not, he's in a different, like he's not in. It's not in maximum security prison.

He's, no, he's not a violent offender. And he's like, on good behavior. you'd get like good behavior and you get kind of different way like yeah so is it like more of like a juvenile detention type center if you consider 50 juvenile i don't i don't i don't it's called arrested development it's not it's not like one of the prisons with like armed guards of course it is he's in prison is in a real prison oh yeah what do you think this is this is a weird like sweet at the top of the prison that he hangs out in dude you don't even No, it's like the alumni up in there.

Yeah, there's different areas for different types of offenders. There's different places you can work your way into. There's people that work in the jail. So instead of just being like a regular cellie, there's people that will be working like serving the food, doing the kitchen, like they have different jobs and like you can work your way up to more privileges. Got it. He's at the top tier, it sounds like. Correct.

He's got his rom-coms and text messaging. Yeah. I just love that he called you from jail. He's like, oh, definitely maybe. Super cute. Super cute. Yeah. Next day.

Did you watch it, Lou? It's real cute. Yeah, he's had a very tough. Yeah. Just kept talking about how cute. Definitely. That's pretty good. It'll be fun to interview him when he gets out about the experience of getting out of jail and Rob's interaction with him.

Oh, my God. Rob interacting with David. I can't. He is a force. In what way? He's 260, 70 pounds of pure muscle. And very, he's very, like, affected from prison. Oh, good.

You know what I mean? He's just like a, I don't even know how to describe him. He's a presence. You'll see. Yeah. He's a presence. For sure. Speaking of presence.

Yeah. Kristen Cavalry. Yeah. She's got mad presence. Yeah. She's very in the moment, present, spontaneous, fun. Yeah, like, I would love to hang out with her every day. You know?

Yeah, she's fun. Yeah. It's a good vibe. Yeah. She reminds me a lot of you, myself. You're so pretty. You remind me of me. Yeah.

Was that Alana? Yeah, we told that story. Yeah. That was like. So pretty. You look like me. Okay. Strangers compliment you've ever gotten, Rob.

Ralph, like, I've never received a compliment. I had a barista call me eye candy once. Oh, okay. Because she asked me out, and then this was a while ago. It wasn't it, Maru? No. She asked me out and then said something along the lines of, like, I just want to make sure I don't lose my eye candy every morning.

Oh, damn. It's assertive. Okay. What did, what did you say? Did you chuckle? I don't, I don't remember. It's a while ago. You don't remember?

No. Okay. How do you feel about girls when they, do you like them? Girls are cool. No, but like what was your take when you were single on girls coming on to you or hitting on you? Do you find it unattractive, attractive? I find it attractive. Yeah.

So I feel like that. that's a general consensus that men find it attractive, yet I feel like most women, at least in my experience, the ones I know, hold themselves back from doing that. Have you ever hit on someone, Rachel? Have I? Like, ask someone out? Yeah, ask someone out. Have I? Well, I think that's changing. I think I would imagine the younger generations it is changing, but you all are both old. Like, I feel like a lot of girls now will be like, he's old shamingness. You're not allowed to do that. Yeah, you're not doing down. But a lot of people. Because the. Power dynamic is for the young.

A lot of girls will just like DM or like whatever, like the younger general. Those youngans. You know? Right. Have you ever done that? To ask someone out? Absolutely not. Okay.

Would you do that? I don't know. I feel like I'm older. I don't really care. Like if I wanted to be like, hey, I don't know. So could we go through your phone right now and just do it? I was going to say, like, get back to me on that if I get to a place where I want to. Have I?

Can you think of anyone that I did? Mm-mm. Me either. A friend of mine, I was asking how she met her husband, and she said she worked at a restaurant, and he would come in there. He was like one of her regulars. And he said something along the lines of like, oh, I saw your boyfriend or whatever. And she's like, that's not my boyfriend. I want you to know I'm completely available for you. And he was like, oh, nothing. And then she asked him out. And he was like, I don't know if I'm attracted to you in that way. And she was like, give me. A date and let's see. She's married to him. I think that's dope. That is, yeah.

Do you find it unattractive then if a man is not willing to ask you out? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, you gotta have balls. Okay. You know? Yeah. I mean...

I'm very attracted to, like, more of an alpha personality, I think. So, you know, if you can't even do that, that feels a little lackluster. I guess then, do you... connect the dots romantically before they ask. If you're unwilling to ask yourself, they have to come to you. Are you going there in your mind beforehand? What do you mean? Asking them out in my mind?

If you decide you like a guy and you're hoping to ask you out, but you're not willing to do it yourself. I won't ask out, but I'll, like, throw the first, like, fishing line out. Got it. Without a problem. Like, what would a fishing line look like? Like, if, like, I'm in a group text- You up. You up.

A naked photo. No, like, if we're in a group text, like, I'll take the move and, like, side text. Oh, snap. Sexy beast. Like, I don't have a problem with that. So I guess that kind of falls under. I like that. Yeah.

That's swaggy. Is that where you meet most of the men? I'm in so many of group chats. I'm like, who can I stuff out than just? Let's get a real life version. No, but for sure. Yeah, I have seen you do that. Yeah, my last boyfriend, I did that.

That's true. What was the text? Happy birthday. Oh, it was his birthday? Uh-huh. It wasn't his birthday if she sent that. That would be so swag-mey. It was me, like, naked and a cake.

I like that approach, though, just, like randomly texting someone like, happy birthday. And they're like, it's not my birthday. And you're like, we should do it right now. Yeah. So it was his birthday. So you side text. Yeah, on purpose. Like, everyone was talking.

No, but I mean, everybody was texting, like, on the group. Like, I easily could have been, like, happy birthday, like, on the group. Got it. But I side text. What's your move outside of group texts? I don't have one. Uh-huh. Mix tapes.

I mean, playlists. I just randomly drop playlists to people. You hand them a burn CD? What a... I said, I'm in the real world. I wish I could, I used to love burning CDs and making playlists. I mean, that used to be my move. Making me,

yeah, like giving them like a playlist. Yeah. Yeah. Because then I would be like, oh, when they listen to it, they're going to think of me and think I'm so amazing. But the truth is, we always made them for me. Now, do you do this, though? When you, like, send it to someone, do you keep listening to it because you want to

hear what they're hearing? Right? This one guy I dated, like, I sent him songs or a playlist and I just don't think he ever listened. Yeah, what do you think of that? And he would send me songs and stuff. Why do you think he didn't listen? Didn't make any comments on them?

I just think he was a little self-involved. But do you think that like you, so if someone gave you a playlist and you didn't like the songs, like say they used songs like, I don't know. Oh, how about? Like prodigy or something. Let the rain fall down. Would you question, do I like this person? I absolutely would.

A Rob would, for sure. I would judge very hard. He's a music snob. The fact that he's even sitting in the room with us after like songs we play in front of him, no, like, if the guy just like opens up on you, like he picks you up for a date and you get in the car and it's just like prodigy.

But here's the thing is, here's a question because when I met Jeff, I did not like country music. Like I liked Johnny Cash. That was like my extensive like... Yeah, not like pop country. He listened to country. And we went on a camp.

trip and like I got 13 hours of you know country music and he wasn't like Bogarting it I was just like getting to know and letting him play I fucking love country music now I love it so I don't know if it's

a deal breaker or not when someone has different music taste what depends how much music means to you it means a lot to me yeah but just like screaming or like scah or like that's different I can't see but the country has good lyric.

What if someone's like emphatically? Or what if someone's like so in love with nickelback? Yeah. You're not? In like a funny way. Yeah. Leah fucking crushed the nickelback karaoke. Karaoke.

I'm singing nickelback. She became Chad Kroger. She was like, sorry. How do you know his name? It's a running bit we have going. Oh my gosh. She just fully committed and it was in front of like, a hundred people at like a party in Cabo for someone's birthday.

What happens in Cabo? Stays in Cabo. Hey. And we were in Cabo and she did full karaoke in front of like, I'm not even kidding. And she did, you know, we had to keep seeing this people. It was like a birthday weekend. So it's not like, she was like, never made it as a was mad. So let me ask you something. I see like a lot of guys, like they follow a shit ton of like young, naked.

women. Like... Yeah, that seems weird. Is it weird? Or is it not weird? I mean, you're asking me or Rob? I'm asking everyone. If that's all they're following, I think it's weird.

What if the percentage is like 75%? Yeah, I think that's... Well, I mean, are you asking if a husband is doing that or just a man in general? I think in general. I think a single guy can do it. It maybe says something about his objectification of women. Yeah. Do you follow any of those sexy Instagram models?

No. I'm going to rob the Instagram. I looked through Jeff's once and I realized that he doesn't follow any of those except he follows Emily Rudedouchi. How do you say? And I was like, babe, why do you follow her? And he's like, I don't know. And he's like, I don't even know who she is.

So then he's like, let me look. And then he looked and he was like, oh, I think it might be her boobs. I don't think Rob is following Instagram models. He's not. Now I have to go through Jeff's. Do I pass the test? Yeah, you pass the test. Are you checking Jess right now?

Yeah. Yeah, Rob, you're super safe. Nicely done, sir. I don't know why Jeff follows Jessica Alba. Oh. That's amazing. It's all like doctors and functional medicine. And Jessica Alba.

Jessica Alba and Emily Rada, M. Rada. Yeah, most of the people I follow, I know. I don't like following too many random accounts. Jeff only follows doctors and our friends and Jessica Alba. Oh my God. No, like legitimately, it's all professional people and then those two and Kristen Bell yeah but Kristen Bell like

makes sense yeah you know who's this girl look at her no she's going to David Sinclair Emerada and Alba are his two

yeah which makes sense he likes him like a little like like the brown hair with the tan skin you know that is hilarious

it's whole it's kind of my favorite thing that came out of today I had a big crush on Jessica Alba in like seventh grade. Everyone, yeah, everyone did. When Dark Angel came out. Oh my God, she's the hottest. She is.

And her body, I mean, yes, she's gorgeous. I find her to be one of the most fun people to look at. I really do. Do you like her hair dark or light? I like it both. You do? Which do you like better? Because I feel like I feel about her the way I feel about me.

I don't know which way I like it better. darker light. You should go platinum blonde, see how it works. Then you'd be your sister. You can't. Right? You know what? So you thought what happens in Vegas came from the

We're gonna beach MTV show, huh, Rachel? No, I realized that was not true. It was just sometimes you guys, I have to tell you something. My brain. Yes, it's the accident. We know you say it in every episode. No, like sometimes I say dumb shit.

shit. But I always realize after the fact, I was like, of course it's what happens in Vegas States and big. How often does that happen to you? About 20 to 32 times an hour. I feel like it's the gray matter on their brain. Well, it was before kids. Mine's gotten way worse since having kids, though. I don't feel like I was an airhead before kids. Now I feel like a legitimate airhead, like where I'm like, I don't. Is that for, that's not for everything. Like, you still can have focus and concentration for things or, no. So, like, what I do as far as work goes, I actually remove myself from the equation. Like, I don't use my brain for it, if that makes sense.

For the podcast? No. Well, for the podcast, I definitely don't use my brain. But for coaching, I don't use my brain either. What do you use? I use my channel. I literally. Honestly, don't...

You channel Dr. Phil. I channel Dr. Phil. No, for the most part, I go straight on intuition. So I go with what's in the moment and what's present, and oftentimes it has very little to do with my thinking at all. My only job is to actually get out of the way of my thinking and be present, and then the answers seem to come. I don't think you can be an airhead if you're able to click into it like that. Right, but I'm an airhead as far as like scheduling... Sending her family.

Sending my family to baseball when there's no baseball, which I found out was not my fault. Or planning a ski trip when we've got a bunch of interviews coming out. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, that's her. But things like that where it takes like a different type of focus. Do you think it's possible that Rachel's just rubbing off on you? No, because I still use my calendar. I need like a little shrunken person in my brain as my assistant.

that's like do do do it's called your brain you just need to open your phone and put things in your calendar or talk to us i know you just need to communicate but what stops you from doing it what's the resistance i do i do something sometimes yeah some things are definitely in there i forget but do you rely on your brain to remember things your broken brain from the accident right i set reminders on my phone all the time we need to start like scheduling Checking. Time. Well, that. Time for you to schedule your schedule time for you to schedule. Yeah. If I were to rely on my brain to remember anything, I wouldn't show up anywhere. Like a date and a time? Never. That's insane. There's too many things. Yeah. That's crazy.

Do you think people can be, okay, here's a really good question. And I mean it's a really good question, not because it's a great question. Coming from you. Exactly. But because I really want to know the answer to this. Do you think you can teach people to be more type A? Or do you think you're born with it? You can learn habit. Am I type A? No. Oh my God. Are she serious? No. Was that a serious question? Kind of. Do you know what type A is? Very like regimented. Rachel, I'm concerned. You don't even use a calendar. I write things on a calendar. they really just pertain to my daughter though. No, type A knows how to like, Rob's type A.

Like when we're going to do something with him, he sends us a shot list of like timing and breakdowns. And like that's type A. Like he's got organizational skills. Or is it controlling? No, but it's like... Yeah, but Jeff's like that too. Like his organizational skills, like he'll look at my thing and be like,

you've got to be kidding me. Like that's how you put it in and he'll show me the way he does it. And I'm like, that, like, kind of makes my brain explode. But I feel like you and Jeff have that same kind of technical organizational systems, if you will. I mean, I think you can teach people to use them, though, and teach habits. I don't, I think she could learn to use her calendar. If, like, there was a time that if we, if she wanted to. And at 9 o'clock every morning, there's a reminder on her phone to, like, review her calendar.

I think after two weeks, three weeks, it would become habitual, and she would do it. Mm-hmm. So you believe people can change. Yeah. I like writing things down. I'm not good on with the phone. But it's adapt or die. You got to adapt to the current day.

Okay. Because when you write it down and then you leave that paper, that's where it lives. I take a picture. This isn't a good system. We can remove it from the calendar situation. But I think, I mean, I think people can form habits. Yeah, which I find very fascinating because they say it takes, they've changed it. It used to be.

It's like seven times. It used to be 32 days to change a pattern. But then they say it's like 72 days to change a pattern. So you have to like do the same thing every single day for that amount of days to start to rewire your neuropathways. Right? So if Rachel put something in her calendar for 72 days, she would possibly form a habit. Yeah, it's hard because like some habits, though, can be like every Monday I want to do this. You're going to do that for over a year, 72 times?

Yeah. Or it has to only be a daily habit. No. So it's any kind of habit or pattern you can put focus to it. You'd have to put it every day to change it, right? I guess if you, like, you want to rig the habit of. not having desserts after dinner every night. I don't want to do that.

Yeah, it would take it every day. But you have the rule that like on the weekends I can do that. Yeah, but that's a different habit. So in order to break it, you would want to break it. Cold turkey for substitute it. You would want to break it first. But the most important part is establishing a new habit or pattern in its place. Right?

It's not just taking it away. You have to implement a new one. So if it's like, I don't want to have dessert every day after dinner, then maybe it's a tea. Maybe it's a bath. Maybe it's a distraction. It's like, what do we have to do with Vincent? Yeah. You can't just say no to him.

We've got to give him something, give him another option. Mm-hmm. So, Rachel, we're going to redirect with you. Starting from. We need to give her like a little candy every time. Yeah, like what they do with the crows where they like perform a task and then something drops out. Should we do that? We're going to build.

you a reward center. Okay. We'll use the calendar. We'll see. I'm going to do my best, you guys. We'll see. We're a year in on this calendar thing. All right.

If I'm doing that, what are you guys doing? Let us know what do you need from us, Rachel? Yeah, what do you need from us? Olivia needs to stop hating her hair. Oh, that's a hard one. Every single time she gets her hair done, no matter what. No matter what, she hates it. What do you want from Rachel reaction-wise?

Are you trying to... About my hair. I would like some fucking validation. Yeah. I was saying, are you searching for comfort that it isn't as bad as it is? Or do you want her to be like, oh, yeah, this sucks. They did a bad job. So I talked to my therapist about this.

I did. I brought it up. Because I told you. No, because I hate my hair. Look at a Miss Narcissistist over here. Shut up. I told you. No, I mean, we had this conversation.

No, the reason I brought it up is because I had. Because Rachel said to. No. Because I've had a really hard week, guys. I've had a really hard week. And I happened to cut my hair in that same week. And I was crying about my mom being in the hospital and saying I'm really struggling. And I hate my new haircut.

And every time I look in the mirror, I'm being mean to myself. And she said, my advice to you is to not look in the mirror. Yeah, don't do it. And she said, just don't do it. It's like someone being on hallucinogens. the one thing they say is don't look in the mirror. Because she goes, your insides. She said your insides are hurting and you're in conflict and you're all of these things.

So that's what you're going to see on the outside. My suggestion is to avoid it. Also, everyone hates haircuts right after they get them. They do? I've never liked a haircut. Oh, really? When I walk out. Really?

Rachel loves the third. No, I never get my haircut, like ever. I hate every haircut I get. You too? Mm-hmm. I was just thinking about being on drugs and looking in the mirror and that almost gave me a panic attack. Like that feeling. Like I know. That's what she's saying is happening to me right now. Yeah. Don't look in the mirror. How you've been looking? Right. But then when she said that to me, the micro truth, I was like, oh, she hates my hair. She's telling me not to look in the fucking mirror. You're like she didn't validate that it's cute. She did that, so she hates it. It is bad. Like that's your own. So when you ask that question, if I'm going to be micro truth. Do would I rather her be completely honest that she doesn't like it?

Well, you're not going to believe it. I don't believe it. She wasn't saying she didn't like it. So I know. I'm just saying if her reaction was like, oh, yeah, they didn't really botched that haircut. That's not going to make you feel better either. But someone said that to me. So I told my other friend.

Jeff? No, Jeff was great about it. Who said that? Who said that? He's so good about these things. Because I was like, I hate it. You had a friend tell you that? She's like, I can see what you mean.

I could see, like, maybe. Maybe it's a little too choppy and maybe you wanted it a little bit longer. Maybe the color isn't warm enough for you. Like she was pointing out all the things that I was feeling. And I wanted to cry. I was like, so I'm not wrong, which it's a tricky feeling. Well, you're asking enough people. Someone's going to give you the answer you want.

That she doesn't actually want, but what she's thinking. But she is going to keep asking until she gets. But the bigger lesson is what I've been going in on this week is it that it's not about the hair. It's like I'm obviously feeling vulnerable and feeling like I need comfort and some validation right now because I'm scared about my mom, right? So what do I really need? Extensions? No, that is so early on, like that chopped hair and then the extensions below it doesn't blend, you know? I know.

But it does point to, we see outside what's happening in. side. Hmm. Interesting. Because what's happening inside with me? Because I look in the mirror. What do you see? And I see greatness.

You know what I feel like? I'm just kidding. I feel like Rapunzel in the end of the movie when they just chop off her hair and it's just like that chopped. Oh, yeah, but it's cute. Yeah. It's a nice little haircut. I hate it. I say the other cool thing about hair, the girl's back.

I know. But no matter. She always hates. it no matter what yeah i get that i hate my hair cut every time i get it yeah but in like three days it's fine yeah jeff said we'll talk about it again on wednesday let's give it to wednesday today's wednesday next wednesday oh yeah what do you have for me oh oh boy yeah do you try get a notepad out yeah you have to learn how to just say yes didn't we already do this one yes we did and he has not been applying

it. He's not said the word yes. I've said yes. Yeah, but it's never, it's always a fight back no matter what the simplest thing. Well, not all the time, maybe one out of 90 times. It's a straight, like, yeah, cool, okay, yes. But I don't know if he's

ever said, yeah, cool, okay, yes. He's not saying yes right now. No, I don't think I agree with that assessment. No kidding. The hell you say. Let's go through our check.

messages. Well, because I have to agree with some shit when it's like, we can only record at 9 o'clock on this day. No, but even then, you're like, well. No, I ask when... He's throwing shit at us now. He's literally throwing things across the room at us. Go ahead.

You should have seen us preparing notes for Chelsea yesterday. Oh, I was so crunchy yesterday. She would say no to anything I said and then immediately just rephrase. She did tell me. Refraise exactly what I said. Because mine were better. Mine were just better ways. So I get it from.

Oh, okay. I am not a contrarian. You were yesterday. Yesterday I was grumpy and I told you that. Yeah. That doesn't excuse it. No, but I'm not a contrarian. I was just crunchy yesterday.

There's a difference. Right, Lou? Yeah. You are by definition textbook contrarian. But I'm not crunchy about it. No, you're not crunchy. You're not crunchy. You're contrary.

You're definitely not crunchy, though. No, you're not. I was crunchy yesterday, and I admitted it. That's it. Was me yesterday. You every day, you walk around, and you are Sir Captain Contrary. Ready to jump to the opposite conclusion. It's true.

Anyway, it's fine. I'm going to start calling out things that I agree with. I'll like you pick lunch today. Where did we go? Oh, because you're like Kitchen Mouse is good. Sure. Yeah. You like it.

Yeah, it's fine. No, she actually said, this place is good, it's like Kitchen Mouse and you said, well, Kitchen Mouse is good. That's what happened. So you went off what she wanted to a different restaurant. Well, I suggested

if you want something like Kitchen Mouse, why would just get Kitchen Mouse? I feel like that was helpful. Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Do you ever feel like you're being bullied by us? Yeah. No.

Do tell. We're going to We're going to create space for this right now. Do you think it's Rachel bullying you and I'm just like going along with her? Bullying you. That was such a bully way of saying. I remember. Or do you think I bully you independently? Do you think we equally bully you?

I don't know. You both have different approaches to it. I don't know. Okay. She's very contrarian with me. Rachel. Yeah. No, I was going to say not always.

If I'm grumpy, I probably am. You're grumpy a lot lately. Yeah, well. And then how do I bully you? I don't know that you do. Yours is more of like a teasing or like a poke. Poking the bear. More poke playful.

Did you ever get bullied in school? We've talked about this. He was a loner and he isolated because I knew of that. I got bullied with him. my family. Because you're young. Yeah, and it was like the black sheep of the family. Right.

So. I've got bullied. You got bullied too. By who? Your brother. Oh, well, yeah. But is that bully? Yeah, teasing. I guess. Same thing. I don't don't. I wouldn't call it bull. I don't know. I feel like this whole topic of bullying is a little

fragile. It is fragile. Right. But within family dynamics, it's fine. I feel like I was a gaslit a little bit though. But it was like I was told that I was the one doing it as a result of it. So maybe that's part of the

contrarian piece too. Maybe you had felt like you had to fight for your right for to have a voice and to have an opinion. I have a question that is very serious for both of you. Do you feel that you are your parents' favorite

child? Yes. Me too. Clearly. Not my mom's. It was my dad's up. I mean... I know. That was very instant. No, not my mom's.

I loved how Ernest it was, though. All of my siblings would say that, too. That you're not your mom's favorite? My mom has a clear favorite. Oh. Which one is it? Not the oldest sister, but the second. And this is like a known thing in the family.

Yeah. She's like basically in a throuble with... With... Your parents? No. In their relationship. She's basically in a thruple with my sister and her husband. That was amazing.

That is amazing. And then my dad was, I was always my dad's favorite, but I think part of it was he just felt bad that I was getting like ganged up on. And I think he also saw what was happening. And now we're just playing it out again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Except my dad's not here to protect.

Yeah. Oh. I don't feel. that. Yeah, you don't. But my dad is also like the night. He was. He was very nice on FaceTime.

He, like, he still volunteers at prisons. He's retired. Still? What do you mean still? Ever since you were in? He, like, he's almost 80. Oh, wow. But what did he do?

What did he do? So he was going to be a priest. He was studying. He was in seminary school. decided he wanted to start a family and left. Then it was like a bus driver in Chicago just because he liked talking to people. That's sweet. And then got into human resources.

Now he's retired and he like teaches religion to inmates. That's super cool. Wow. That's awesome. I love that. What's your dad's name again? Greg. Craig.

Do you think you're your mom's favorite? No, I know I am. Oh, you? think so? For sure, I'm my mom's favorite. But you also drive her the most crazy. Like your brother doesn't give her a hard time. Yeah, but there's no way my brother is more my mom's favorite than me. No. No chance. But you're also the one that gives her the hardest time. Yeah. What about your dad? Because I talk to her every day. Who's your dad's favorite? My dad. Yeah, what's, I don't think I know much about your dad. I don't really know that there's much to say. I don't know. I don't know your relationship.

I don't know if he was around, I don't know. I don't think he was really around. Or are your parents married? Until I was nine. Till I was nine. And then he was around before that. Do you remember living in the house? Like what?

I think he worked a lot. I think my dad just always had affairs. I don't know how much he was there. Like I remember like going on some family vacation. I remember my first panic attack I ever had was snorkeling when we were in Hawaii. Was he very alpha? No. No.

He was just stoned. Do you remember them living together? Yeah. They got along well? Yeah. I don't think I witnessed a lot of like fighting or yelling. Loving or not even that. Just like co-parents.

I don't remember. There was pot smoke. My dad like loved kids and like loved all that stuff, you know? Like he coached my baseball team. Like, you know. My dad was working. What did he do? Right.

Direct. Produced stuff. He was in the business. Neal. So you're a nepo. Neppa baby? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. No, he was working and busy and, you know, and I don't know. My parents were always playful, you know. My dad would always be like videoing my mom's butt when she was like walking in front. Like, you know, they were like playful. Well, your mom's your mom. So that makes sense. Yeah, but no, they were like cute. They were like cute with each other. from what I remember, you know? So that's how you got the OC? No, I made Josh Schwartz laugh.

But were you around sets and stuff then as a kid? Yes, it was. Got it. So you saw how? Yeah, my dad had like a show. When I was in sixth grade, my friends and I would go to set on Fridays after school and thought it was like the most fun to do that kind of stuff. Were you observant?

You don't necessarily seem like the observant. No, I like ate craft service. We'd play in the trailer, get our hair and makeup done sometimes. So you weren't interested in how the machine actually worked really at that point? No. No. She is now, though. This one likes to direct.

Have you noticed, Rob? Depends on the day. No, I don't mean the actual podcast. Yeah. I have opinions. No, it was just a thing. Like, it was just there. So I didn't really think about it, if that makes sense.

weren't necessarily learning either. When I was like in, I want to say second grade, my dad gave me a part in like a pilot he was shooting and it was at Beeman Park. Oh fun. Playing baseball. So, and that was like my first thing. It was a pilot and I remember doing it. And like you liked it?

Yeah. I didn't think about it. That's why I'm trying to get at. What happened was, this is what happened. how my, you know, projected career happened. Okay? I'm in junior high school. I thought my brother and his friends were the coolest ever.

They're four years older and they hung out with these group of girls that I wanted to be. Leah was in that group. You know, you were in it but from a distance, okay? I knew who Olivia was because my brother's best friend who I was in love with had a crush on Olivia and showed me your picture in the yearbook and I was like, oh, my God, fuck that bitch. So anyways, I wanted to be these girls I was going to go to North Hollywood High These girls went to Notre Dame I was like I need to go to Notre Dame

I need to be friends with these girls So switched last minute Went to Notre Dame These girls that I thought were the coolest ever Were in the drama club And I was like well I have to do drama Were you like an outcast at your school before that? No

You had plenty of friends Yeah, I had friends You just found cooler ones in the yearbook that you wanted No I was hanging out So sorry I would go out partying with my brother and his friends when I was like 13, 14. They would have like 40s from the liquor store.

We'd be rap like listening to like passing me by by far side. And I was like, these girls know all the words. This is the coolest thing. I'll never forget. Anyway, seeing them for the first time. Okay. So I would party with them all the time. My brother would bring me out.

And that's why. So then the girls were super cool. They go to Notre Dame. Okay, I have to go to that school now. You know, you're 13 and you're like looking up to these like high school. Like, you know, I was like, oh my God, they're. they're amazing. So I got into Notre Dame and they were in the drama theater department and I was like, okay, well, clearly that's what I need to do too. So it wasn't like some conscious decision.

No. It was way more vain and dumb than that. Remember that acting class we took together? Hold that tiger. Oh my God. Olivia made me do an acting class. I'll never forget. I choked on an eel bone across the street at a sushi restaurant. It was so fun. It was so fun. It was so fun. Anyway, so yeah, it was so fun. I started doing plays, and I actually loved it. Cut to senior year, last play. My dad was like, you know what? You're actually kind of good at this.

Do you want to, like, do it? I was like, maybe I do want to do it. And that's how that's how it happened. Then you went to college and... I went to San Diego for a semester and partied. So hard. I wasn't going to classes, really, and I was partying. And my dad's like, you're partying.

You have to come home. But I started to slowly, like, audition, but nothing was happening. And then I went. Did you, were you actually motivated within? So you weren't in school. I was kind of in school. But you were motivated. No, I was way more into like, I'm in college, like smoking pot and like, in a dorm. But what it came to acting, was that something you actually saw drive? I really loved. I really loved doing it when I was in high school. Like, I had the most amazing drama teacher.

She was incredible, really inspiring, kind of. taught me, you know, it would open my, I was like, oh, no, I like, I love doing this. But, yeah, I moved back after San Diego and then our friend Johnny, Woojack, worked for this commercial agent, and I was brought in, and he's like, he only, like, represented models. And he's like, mm, you don't have pictures, you're five foot two. Like, no, it's not going to happen. And I was like, okay. And then Johnny went to him and was like, dude, like, no, you should, you know, send her out,

see what happens. So it was because of that commercial agent who then begrudgingly took me on, but started sending me out and everybody else that he represented. Do you remember? We're John. Oh, we're models. Yeah. We're like, I'd walk into these castings. Everyone's six three. Yeah. What the fuck am I doing here? And we took, I forget, he made me like take pictures, like random, whatever. And I said this at this, I answered, I did a Q and A at, at, that scad at the college with people who wanted to act. And I said, honestly, the best thing, the best advice I can give, I had a commercial agent that sent me out so much that I got comfortable just being in front of people.

And that was the secret because going into a room and auditioning and nailing it is a real challenge. So getting in the room and just being comfortable and getting me like, I don't care, I'm going to go in and take my shoes off. I'm going to do whatever. and just gaining that confidence because you do it so much, that's why I was confident enough to go into the rooms and audition, which eventually led me to being free with my audition for the OC. You get your 10,000 hours.

Yeah. 10, that is it the song? It's Malcolm Gladwell. Oh, yes, that. Right. Anyway, that's my long story of how it all happened, because I wanted to be cool, like these girls. Olivia and Leah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Do you remember when I got kicked out of, you made me, you took me with you to one of your auditions and you had me crash it and they found out and kicked me out? Yeah. That was embarrassing. Yeah. It was really embarrassing. Nieu.

Nie. Yeah. Neer. All right, guys. Goodbye. Do you want to sing us out? Let the rain fall down. Go ahead, Rob, take us away.