Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Lewis Pullman on Thirst Traps, Roast to Flirt Ratio, and Ideal Sandwich

Episode Date: August 28, 2023

Lewis Pullman [Top Gun: Maverick, Bad Times at the El Royale, Outer Range] talks to Olivia and Rachel about his original dream to become a rock drummer, a horrible sauna incident in Prague, and who his ideal famous dad would be if he had to pick someone else. They also talk about how to successfully roast someone you like, Olivia having a crush on Lewis’ dad, and thirst traps.Broad Ideas is supported by Blissy. Get better sleep now with Blissy and use code RACHEL to get an additional 30% off at blissy.com/RACHELBroad Ideas is supported by Quince. Go to Quince.com/ideas for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Broad Ideas is supported by Who Killed Mia?. Find out who killed the world’s favorite influencer in Who Killed Mia?, and get 20% off with promo code IDEAS at Relatable.com/whokilledmia.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Good morning, my friends. Good morning. Good morning. Today, we have Louis Pullman. He's really coming up in this world. I've got to say. He is an actor. I will not name names, but he was in a massive thing.

Very cool. Anyway. A blockbuster, some would say. A blockbuster, some might say. But yeah, we have him on today and honestly, probably one of our favorite conversations, wouldn't you say? Yep. He's got a play also.

By the time this airs, it will have already happened. Right. So you can't see it. It's called a steady rain. A steady rain. Are you going, Rob? I'll go with you. To be determined.

TBD. It's this weekend, right? Yeah. 25th and 26. at 8 p.m. at the Hudson theaters. Oh. And the 27th at 2 and 7. Oh. All right. We'll get back to that.

But let's talk to Lewis. Sometimes we start to swirling round and round inside. To join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about bull. Because people die.

How's it going? You guys talking mummies? Yeah, we are. But we thought it was private mummy talk, and then there you are. Pretty public mummy talk. Olivia claimed I sent a picture all wrapped up in something. You were. You were like, it was like leathery.

What do you mean? I mean, should I go through my pictures and find it? You were wrapped? I sent it to you? You were wrapped up in all forms of leather. I don't have all forms of leather. Rachel Sarah Bilsen, you have some laundry where you were all wrapped up and it looked like Dominatrix.

Hi, Lewis. Lewis, welcome to broad ideas. Hey, thank you for having me. Oh, my God. That's how we open every interview, by the way. Yeah. So it sounds like I don't know if we want to go back and kind of confirm whether it was a leather mummy or it was a different kind of movie.

How do you feel about just getting like unsolicited picture sent to you? It depends on who's doing it, I guess. Lewis, where did you grow up? I grew up a lot in L.A. and then partially in Montana. And then a lot of following my dad around, you know, kind of would bounce around from city to city with him, me and my brother and sister, and kind of do some homeschooling.

So it was a bit of a ramshackle kind of array of things or places. That's awesome. So you'd go with. We'd go with for a lot, depending on the job. Like if it was a long one or if it was far, if he couldn't come back on the weekends, yeah, we just kind of pack up and follow him out there. It's a good idea. I had a big crush on your dad growing up.

I hear that a lot. You do? Yeah. He was super super, super crushworthy. Not to say I don't now. I probably still do, but. Yeah, no, he has, he's got some good, I mean, some of those performances are just, and also, if you look at like,

God, is it while you're sleeping where he's wearing these like wranglers that are super tight? He's just, he's got like this kind of like blown hair. He's like so, I mean, he's stud. He's, he's number one stud in my book. That's super stud. Well, he's also got the vibe of the man you want to settle. You want to win him. You know what I mean?

Yeah. You want him to be the one that stays. Yeah, totally. He's that guy. Which is interesting because for a minute, I think he was playing like the guy who didn't get the girl. And then I think a lot of people realize. Now we want him to get the girl. Yeah, we want him to get the girl.

Let's see Bill get the girl. Does he still have his girl? Are your parents together? Yeah, they're together. We've been together over 30 years. That's so sweet. That's crazy in this industry. It is.

I know. It's pretty wild. Yeah, but just the fact that you guys like went with him and stuff, you can tell it was a solid little family unit you had going on there. Yeah. I think like at the time, of course, you're like, why am I going to Vancouver for six months and missing out on high school or whatever. But and then you look back and you're like, no, it's actually like, it's probably one of the best ways as at a young age to be able to see, kind of get out of the bubble and see the broad, expansive nature of humankind. And I got really, really close with

my siblings. And yeah, it's a good way to keep the unit tight. Where was the place that like in your brain is the best memory? Like traveling? Yeah. Probably Prague. Oh, yeah. We went with them to Prague. And, um, although I did. burn my foot all the skin off, my foot off. What? Yeah. I slipped under a sauna and I'd burn it all my skin off. It just fell off like a glove.

Oh my God. But then I was just rocking right into some gore. Yeah. But then I, you know, I got to watch the Goonies and eat like black licorice with my tutor all day. That's amazing. That is amazing. Yeah. Do you think that that's what contributed to your parents lasting so long is that you guys went?

and that your dad wasn't just off and away? Yeah, I think so. I think, you know, from what I know, it's impossible to do it right all the time. You know, every job is different. And if you're not trying to just take jobs where you're living, it's going to create a lot of, you know, turbulence, I guess. But yeah, that definitely created some consistency

because that was like, you know, it was always me, my mom, my dad, my brother, my sister, and that was like our constant. So it was like a traveling home in some way. I think that that's a good call. I think that's probably why. And where do you fall with the kids? Are you oldest, middle?

I'm the baby. You're the baby. Yeah. What about you guys? I'm the baby. We're the babies. We are the babies. You're both?

Not the baby. Well, I mean, my dad got remarried and I have much younger half sisters. But you're the baby. But I grew up the baby. She grew up the baby. Yeah. Yeah. If you grew up the baby, you earn the baby stripes.

Although people say that you get it easy for your baby. It's not true. No. No. It's not true. No, it's not. I don't think it's true at all. I still get shit from my sister about like getting a boom box before she did. Is she the oldest? Yeah, she's the oldest. My brother's the middle.

I love it. A big sister just giving you shit your whole life. Yeah, she was just like, because I mean, they say like that once you, they get to the youngest, they're kind of like a little bit more lenient and they're like not as strict and stuff. But it wasn't true in my case. It was true of mine. It was. It was. 10 years.

It wasn't, am I? Yeah, our parents were well massaged before it got to be our time that we got away with everything. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's fair. But we always say, Olivia and I both say we're very, because we had older brothers who always fucked with us like our whole life and it gave us a thick skin, whatever. But now, like, once we got older, we always wanted to, like, date the guys that would just

give us shit and make fun of us. And we think that it's a product of growing up with constant badgering. It's a theory. I think that makes sense. Right. That's a definite mode of affection that I know. Yeah. We're like,

oh, he was so mean. If somebody feels like they can fuck with you and like really like jab you in your soft spots, I think that's a sign of affection. Yeah. We agree. It's a winner.

Like girls are like, oh, he was so nice to me. We're like, okay. Rachel will be like, he told me I look like doofus. I'm like, I don't know. It's like the classic thing of what.

everyone's saying now, like, I want like an equal flirt to roast ratio. Wait, that's a saying. Okay, wait. Casey, that's it. Lewis, we want to know from you. You're like the beating heartbeat of your generation, you know, your 30, dating, whatever, the sayings. Like, I haven't heard that.

That's genius. It's good. I didn't make it up, but I've heard it around town. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Flirt to roast ratio. It's pretty true. Yeah.

Yeah. So you feel the same way. What's wit? Like, if the person doesn't have the, the, the, bit to do that, it's kind of boring. Yeah. Yeah. And if like, roasting is such a razor line, kind of like tight rope walk. So like if you fuck it up, it's kind of like all of a sudden you're just being mean.

And so I think it is a bit of an art and it is kind of fun because it's like, I don't know. You're like, wait, what's going on? Right. It depends on the person. I definitely dated someone way back in the day that was like, you're mean. And I was like, no, no, you're just not quick enough. You know? Yeah.

Because I don't think I'm mean. Well, maybe I can be. That's just really personal. Yeah, that's like a personal attack. Yeah, that was just cold. But I also think that have you guys dated anyone who tries to roast? And it's like, oh my God, this is too far. It's not right.

It just didn't feel right. One of our best friends dated someone that was just a joke killer. And it was so painful because they would always try to land. And it was just so brutal. that I just you know what I'm talking about Olivia? Yeah, I know you're talking

Okay Yeah, I like that you cover your mouth Yeah, just in case Like everyone listening can like see me Yeah, you're like No, that's not cute and charming

That's just straight up actually mean It's an art Like it's actually an art Where it's like it makes you feel special And it makes you feel like You always, I don't know For me I've always liked it When the guy like

Picks on you just enough That you feel special and seen Totally I think seen is the word. Yeah, because it's like a perfect roast is kind of like, oh, you saw that and you noticed that. You're like watching me really closely. Exactly. Right.

And it's endearing. It's like they find something cute and goofy about you. I think also generationally, like you're saying roast. Someone like older that I would say burn, which I've never said. And I think Olivia, I feel like we would say talk shit. Would you agree? Yeah. Yeah.

So. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Is there a difference between roast and talk shit? No. No. Terms.

My seven-year-old son will be driving and he'll be like, Mom, roast me. I'm like, roast me. And I'll start, like, coming up with ways to roast him. And I'm like, like, that? And he's like, yeah. Like, he wants it. He's asking for it.

It's like, did you guys watch, sorry to pour, just fear into this realm, but did you guys watch Succession? I'm not caught up, but I've, gotten through a good portion. So did you always know that you wanted to follow in your father's footsteps? No. I didn't. I mean, I knew we were a super artistic family, you know, like neither me nor my brother nor my sister can do our taxes, but we can definitely put on a show. You know, and we were bouncing around in different art forms and different mediums. But that was going to be drummer. I've fucking loved rock and roll. I was going to be a fucking rock and roll.

And then my mom was, I was like, going to go on fucking tour with my, my two buddies, Kyle, and Indio. And then my mom was like, no, dude, you're going to college. So I went to college. And I had started to do some theater towards the end of high school. But I got really into it in college and just started doing a lot of shorts and music videos and just started. Because I was like a pretty anxious kid. And so it was a pretty terrifying thought to go do that because even, just playing live shows was scary enough for me. But then when I did it, I auditioned for something

and I, like, for the week after I did that audition, I felt this kind of levity, like this sort of weightlessness. Like, I had just kind of blown out my ceiling of discomfort and then everything else felt like, you know, it's like I had been running with weights on. And for like a week, I felt like this kind of ease with socializing. And that's what kind of drew me in. And I kind of like, You know, my dad kept, I probably only visited set, you know, a number of times. He wasn't like bringing us to a lot of events or anything. Pretty separated from the world. So I was a little bit naive about it, you know, until I started to get more curious.

And then started to kind of, you know, at first, of course, I was like, I'm going to fucking do this on my own. And like, you know, and then quickly realized how stupid that was. And I had, you know, a brilliant resource. right there in the house with me. So then it became like a beautiful thing that, you know, my dad and I have been able to bond over and, you know, strengthen our friendship over, which has been one of the best parts about it.

That's really sweet. And did you say your siblings? What do they do? My sister, they're both musicians. My sister, she teaches vocal lessons, and she also is a great singer-songwriter. And my brother does a whole, bunch of stuff. He plays a lot of instruments and then he also makes like puppets and props and like

stuff for theater companies and, you know, different kind of like music videos and documentaries and stuff. That's cool. He's really good with his hands. Yeah. Was your dad supportive or did he try and steer you in a different direction or what was his take on it? No, he was really supportive. I mean, him and my mom were both kind of like just waiting in the wings, seeing what I was going to decide to do and whatever I decided to do besides to not go to college. My mom wasn't down with that. They were going to be game for. I think my dad was just, he knows how much, you know, if you don't love it, it's not

going to happen, you know, like, because there's a lot of moments where in order to push through, you know, you have to be carried through with your love for what you're doing, which goes for anything you do, I guess. But definitely with acting. and I think he was just kind of maybe waiting to see if I had the bug, you know. Yeah. And you do. You got a notebook there?

What do you got on that notebook? Oh, did you see my notebook? Oh, you shouldn't ask that question. I don't know if you want to know what's on that. Do you want to know? No, I'll just find out as we go, I guess. Yes, as we go. We should.

If you had a different famous dad, who would you pick? Whoa, holy smokes. I've never been asked that question. Oh man, what a good question. I would go with either Steve Zon or Jeff Bridges. Can you give us a why? Steve Zon seems like he goes through life. I guess for both of these dudes, it feels like they have a good sense of like taking life seriously

while also treating it with such kind of like a graceful levity. Like it seems like stuff rolls off their back real easy. they appreciate and they look into the qualities of life very deeply, but also don't get so dragged down and aren't anchored down by it. And I feel like I have a lot I'd want to learn from those guys. And I'd love to hang out with them. I mean, I love to, you know, hanging out with Jeff. He's amazing.

But I've never met Steve. I love that Steve was your first go-to. You were like, Steve's on. He's like, everything that he's in, he's just like, he lights it up. And I can't imagine what he's like to hang out with. and, you know, go vision with or whatever dads and sons do. Yeah. You wouldn't know.

I don't go fishing. I thought I said go vision with. You're like vision boards. And go vision questing with Steve Zon. Vision boards. So here's something we also want to pick your brain about because we brought it up earlier, generational differences, right? So dating, you're 30.

It's obviously different out there. Terminology is different, you know, sayings, whatnot. We kind of want to pick your. brain on what it's like, like you're living in a world with a ton of dating apps, social media, all of these things. So we have some questions like surrounding that. Okay. One being, he's, he's really happy. He's so happy. He's like, great, let's go there. Thank you. Thank you. My body language just got so restricted. You're like in a fetal ball. Yeah. Like, okay, so you start dating a girl and, you know, this day and age,

you go to their Instagram or whatever they have. But on their page, it's like just a ton of thirst traps. Okay? Okay. How do you feel about that? Well, I don't have an Instagram anymore. But I don't know. That's cool.

If it's what she likes doing. So no problem with it. I don't have any problem with that. Okay. The second part, I mean, clear answer. Because like, you know, if that's what she, it's like your Instagram. is he's like it's like your Instagram Rachel. Shut up.

I mean, when I got rid of my Instagram, I was like, I just was doing it so I wouldn't be distracted on a job. And then I never got it back because I realized how starting to use my time in better ways. I don't have very good like impulse control with like, you know, that kind of like it's built to be addicting. So like I've got, you know, addictive personality. So I would just like spend an hour down and be like where'd that fucking hour go. And I didn't really. realize it until I got it out. But I still, you know, know about Instagram and like, you can still go on safari.com and type in Instagram slash, you know, Steve's on and see

what his, what his Instagram is looking like. But, um, I just know that like, you know, whatever you're putting on there is either some fragment of yourself or whatever you want, the, the sole fragment that you want to be magnified. And so like, if somebody wants to put some sexy ass pictures on there, then like, like, that, feels good for them, like, you know, whatever feels good. And would you expect that to change once you're in a relationship or you're cool with it remaining? No, totally cool with that.

Yeah. Especially if, like, that's, you know, if that's them, that's the person that you're signing up to be with and you know that that's something that they do and you don't mind it, then you can't like shift. Yeah. You can't expect them to change once you get into a relationship. Very involved thinking for your 30-year-old brain. And you know what bothers me about that whole terminology?

is the thirst trap stigma that goes to it. Because why aren't people just allowed to put pictures where they feel beautiful or cute or sexy or whatever it is? And it not be some thirst trap for attention, but because they wanted to put the picture up because they like it. Yeah. And like if they get endorphins from that

and like if they get appreciation and people are like, you look smoking here and that makes their day, then like you got a free way to make your day. Are you kidding me? Why wouldn't you use it? Doesn't cost anything. That's a good caption. Yeah.

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That's all my Instagram that I'm still thinking like, I got to take that down. It's such thirst trap that I'm uncomfortable. It's still there. So then there's the other side of the coin of not feeling like, I feel good. I'm going to do this for me. I'm like, I don't want to be. I don't like putting that out there because then I feel like it's, I don't know. Here's my question.

What's your caption on that? Did you feel like you had to be like this, like kind of disguise it as not a thirst trap in order to, or did you just own it? I feel like you should own it if you're going to do it. I'd have to go back and look and see what caption I picked. I think I called it out as like this is probably a little whatever but you know because people are like you need to do this for whatever your job

and your persona and all this bullshit and you do it but I'm not comfortable doing that like I literally I'm going to be obsessing over like okay I need to go on it to leave it. Wait somebody told you that for your job you should post with Arstra? No that was like a requirement in the contract. He's giving you advice.

No, but people just, you know, like we have friends who are like running social media accounts and they're like, you need to be doing this and like more pictures of you. Get the out. The rhythm up. Yes. Yes. And it's so hard because it's not my natural instinct. So it actually takes effort to be like, and every time I do it, I still feel weird about it. But so there's like, you know. I think that's sort of the nature of the gram, right? Right. Because you kind of get swept up into doing these things. I felt myself like also like when I had it get all these offers to do like, get all these offers to do like, get. like free shit. And I was like, at first I was like, holy shit. People are just giving stuff out left and right. What is going on here? And then I realized like very quickly like nothing is free.

Like nothing is ever free. And then all of a sudden you're obligating. You have all these ties. And I was like, am I just like a commercial? Am I just a commercial? Right. And then I felt like I was, but I'm not as good at like, I think branding and figuring out like what's the one version? Because I feel like I also, it was limiting because I was like, I'm changing all the time. and who I want to be and what I want to, you know, is shifting all the time. And so to have like a, I guess you can always delete your Instagram like I did. I find it refreshing though when you don't because there's so much dialogue around like in order to work, you have to have X amount of followers and you have to have this and this and this.

But to see what you're doing and what you're accomplishing and it's not about that. It's actually about the work I think is more. powerful than collecting a bunch of people to have a commercial torts, you know? Totally. Totally. I think what's given me, because for a while, I was like, I'm being really stupid by not having an Instagram. But what gave me solace is I was like, well, if there are any projects that I'm missing

out on because they're prerequisite is that you should have a certain amount of Instagram followers, then those aren't the kind of projects I want to be a part of. So it kind of like maybe filters itself out. Right. Right. I've been in that position where I was up for a role between myself and someone else and just because they had a certain amount of followers, they got it. And it was like, you know what, fuck you guys. Yeah. You know, like you just like, you dodged a bullet. Right. Because they're just making a movie

disguised as a commercial. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's so true. But you know what? I really respect that you're like, whatever, whatever they want to do is okay with me and you don't have one. And like cool and hot to be confident about yourself, you know? Yeah. Yes. And cool and hot. If you're going into that, to just have trust and to rely on that trust, I think. Because I know that, you know,

it definitely, like, Instagram is, like, in some ways, one of the best dating apps ever. So it's kind of an app disguised as a dating app.

And it's the easiest one because it doesn't feel sleazy or weird or, like, just totally for one purpose. And, like. Right. And so I think that, like, as long as in your relationship,

there's trust that, like, because DMs are basically, like, matches. I don't know. I hope not. I'm dating myself.

I've been off the gram for like three. I've been off the gram for a while. No, but also like to credit Instagram, like I have a lot of friends who are artists who it has been so helpful. Like they get all their work from Instagram. It's like, it's incredible in that sense. And like people who, you know, I think that if I was starting out right now, I would probably have an Instagram, I think.

Yeah. Because when I did have an Instagram, I got a lot of like propositions to work on shorts and work on music videos and people who were just starting out and who wanted to, you know, work with people who they saw on Instagram or something. So I'm not trashed on Instagram. Right. By any means. What about dating apps? Are you trashing them? No. I mean, like, I don't have very good, like, I can't keep multiple conversations going at

once. So you can't date more than one girl at once? But I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I think that like, no, I mean, just like when there's so many people out there and like you're starting to have conversations with a lot of people and a lot of them die out and you figure out that you guys aren't compatible or whatever. And I already like do this horrible habit with my texting with my phone where I'll like let texts build up like over a week and then I'll just spend my Sunday like binge texting. And I'll just like be on my phone for like four hours just replying to all the texts and then being like, why don't I just reply when it happens? happens. But I think like part of me feels like, well, replying begets a reply, which means a

full conversation. And then you're on the phone all the time. Yeah. And you're just constantly texting people. And do you guys think that you should be accessible at all times? Well, it's different for us because we have kids, right? So we're in a different, I mean, at least I'm speaking for both of us, Olivia, apparently. But I just think it's different once you have kids, you're just constantly like, I have to be. I don't know, maybe that's not true. What do you think? No, but that makes sense.

Like, you prioritize, like, I won't, like, leave my mom hanging on a text, but, like, yeah. Like, maybe a business thing, I'll be like, oh, gosh. Oh, yeah. I also, like, really judge myself on my replies. I feel like I have to wait until I come up with some brilliant, cool reply. And then it never comes. And then I just don't reply for a while.

I have a bad memory. So I always feel like I have to reply instantly. I'm the opposite. Like, because if I don't, then I'll forget. And my husband's always like, this can wait. Like, it's a continuous conversation. Just because someone texts you doesn't mean it needs your attention this moment. And I'm always like, but if I don't get it out of the way, I'm going to forget to come back to it.

I actually think sitting down on a day and going through it is a smart way to do it because then you don't have all these conversations going. I think there's a couple, like Rachel and Rob. that's like always when it's coming through, I'm always checking it, right? Yeah. But then other people, it's hard to communicate that much. Because if you have like how many contacts do you have in your phone, hundreds and hundreds. Yeah. So if you're accessible 24-7 and you reply immediately to everyone who's texting you,

no. You're not here. You're just looking at a void. Do you answer your phone if the people texting actually call you? I definitely like a phone call more than a text, but then sometimes I'm like, it's so horrible, but like sometimes I'm like, I think I'm like, I'm a very social person. I love, but then I also need a lot of solitude. And so it's almost like to restore my tank to fill it up back up so that I can be like the whatever best version myself or something. So sometimes like I'll get a phone call for somebody who I want to talk to. But I'm like, I don't have the energy and I'm also really bad at getting off phone calls. So what if this, how long? is it going to be? And then I'll go through the spiral. I'll be like, I don't be talking for 25 minutes. I got to do this other thing. And it's really avoiding, it's avoiding behavior. You don't know how to get off the phone. You don't know how to be like, okay, got to go. It's like, I'm trying

to get off this podcast. Yeah. I've been trying to get off for half an hour. No, I think, yeah, sometimes isn't it kind of hard? That's why like, one of my buddies is this producer, Jonathan, is like, he's so, and my other friend, Ethan, they have this great trait where they're like, if you literally start to like give the kind of almost like the inhale like well they're like bye and they just hang up on you it's an amazing tray I love it I'm like that I I don't like to talk on the phone but I think it is a part of that of just not knowing how to get off the phone yeah I think like probably my family and I are bad at getting off the phone and bad at ending conversation it'll be like literally it'll be like all right mom uh I better hit the hay and she'd be like

Yeah, Luke, yeah, got to get some rest and, you know, get the rest for the next couple weeks here because next week, what are you got here? Yeah, exactly. Every time, I'll be like, Mom, I got to go and she'll be like, okay, honey, did you talk to your bird? I'm like, you just started a whole new conversation every single time I got to go. It's a mom thing. It is, right? Yeah, for sure. It is a beautiful.

I like doing it with my mom when anybody. I'll let it go on and on with my mom. That's cute. Do your parents live in L.A.? Do you see them a lot? Yeah, they live, they all, my whole family lives in the same cold sack. What? Except for me right now.

Yeah, my sister and her husband and their kid live next door to my mom and dad. My brother lives the same apartment complex, yeah. That's a dream. That is so, you have to, you got to go there too. What are you doing? I was living there after college and then I moved out just because I don't know, I felt like I needed to spread your wings. Spread my wings. Spread your wings.

Yeah, but I go over there all the time. That's really, really cute. Okay. You have to pick. Back to the pad. Yeah, back to the pad. What if you had to pick one song that plays when you walk in a room, what would it be? Whoa.

But this is every time. Every time. Sorry, every time you walk in a room, one song plays. What is it? Okay, a lot of variables. We've got to think about here. It's got to be approachable to everyone in the world. It's got to encapsulate you as a person.

It's got to be a song that you have already listened to a lot and it hasn't gotten old yet. It has to be something that fits all occasions, because if you're going to a funeral and then you have like, you know, I don't know. They have like a Bigi song plan. It's not going to be too. cool of a look. You're like staying alive. Yeah. You're bored for this question. It's like you've been working on it your whole life.

You knew this was coming, didn't you? I can come up with all the risks involved, but I can't come up with a solution. The song itself. Something that fits all moods. Do you guys have your answer? Well, I think you're changing my answer by all these variables. Yeah, you're really bringing up some excellent points. Yeah.

I think I had mine. You do. What is it? What is it? Well, I don't know if it's because this was just brought up, but I feel like if every time I walked in the room, just the music from Cheers, the sitcom came on, you know, can you sing that? Do you know? Because you're young. Do you know? I know cheers. I can't, I can't hear in my head right now. I need a. Everybody knows. You don't do. That's going to be your song. Wait, that's so funny. No, no, no, no. Because there's something actually sad about it, too, so it would work. It's like a nostalgic song. Yeah.

So no matter what, I'd walk in the room and everyone would be like, you know what? I think life is okay. Yeah. Ooh, that's nice. That is nice. You still haven't come up with yours. I haven't. Do you have yours?

You know, I never have. The only song that popped into my head was. Survival of the fittest by Mob Deep. It's just because... That's a perfect funeral song. Like what? It's just that's because you know when it starts and you're like... How does it start?

Go for it. Hold on. I can play two seconds of that, right, Rob? Hold on, guys. You keep thinking... This is going to be a second to think here. Yeah. We're buying you time here.

Thank you. Lou, you should have played Cheers. I'll play it while you look for that. Okay, I got it. it just starts and you're like you know can't picture me walking into every room

just like walking into your that's totally different that's totally different. Your kids graduation. Yeah right. You're going into labor you walk into the hospital

and it's like are you playing? I can't hear it, Lou. Oh yeah. Wait, do you call Olivia Lou? I do. Do people call you Lou? Yeah, people call me Lou.

Because that would make more sense than Olivia. Yeah, my nickname is Lou. Cool. Wait, you came up. What is it? You came up with yours. Sorry, we rudely cut you off. What's your song?

Okay, my song is, it wouldn't be great for like going out on the town, but I don't think I want to really base my song off of what's going to be great for going out on the town. I think I would do this song called Little Green Apples by Roger Miller. It's a really sweet song. It's a very like, it's a bright and optimistic kind of lazy, sunny kind of song. Wait, you're in a band. You have a band. Yeah, I do.

It's really, I really like your music. I just realized that I've heard it and I love it. And I just remembered. When you were describing that. song. I was like, wait a minute. Wait, Adaboy, right? Yeah, yeah. You weren't even going to bring it up. He's what we call humble. What is the song called? All right, Green Apples. Yeah, Find his song. Little Green Apples by Roger Miller. Yeah. I'm going to play a little bit. Yeah, you are a musician. I knew that. Man, it's a really awesome band, too. Oh, he's a song. Okay. Little Green Apple.

Yeah. That reminds me now I want to, I love it. Now I want to do Blake Foley. I want to do clay pigeons because I just heard that. Oh man. Yeah. Blais Folley. Okay, I'm just, you know, mob deep, Blake Foley. We're all over the place. I feel like we've really covered. We've covered this question because it has been asked before better than ever before. Wouldn't you say, Olivia? Well, yeah, because you really put a lot of thought into all the different places you're going to have to walk in. It's just an absolutely insane thing. scenario to even imagine. It's amazing, though. You're like... I'm already sick of my choice.

I'm already thinking of a lot of instances where I'm like, oh, God. I can't walk in there now. Like literally probably wouldn't leave my house. Yeah. Oh, my God, I'm dying. What about like rainbow connection by Kermit the Frog or something? Oh, what that's just always going to be a good time. Yeah, that's nice.

You know? You think his voice is really going to just not You're going to get sick of that one? No, that is right. I mean, this is, this is really making a thing. This is up at night. It is like I'll be laying in bed tonight. Olivia and I'll be texting each other.

Like, no, you know what? I got it. I got it. Oh my God. Wait, here's a question I'm going to throw back at you guys. Yeah. If there's one skill that you feel it is too late in life to learn and to be a master of, that you could just instantly be a master of, what would it be?

BMX. Wow. Did you say DMX is your song and BMX is your skill? No. I don't know. Just BMX came out of me. It's all that's all that happened. I don't think it's too late.

It's definitely not. It's definitely not. I don't know. That was the most random thing I could think of and that's what I came up with. I do believe I could do it though. So I'm going to have to rethink my answer. I could definitely fucking BMX the shit out of it. of a fucking BMX situation.

Yeah, spent like three years just going out with the greats. I mean, when you think of me, you think BMX. Mine would be singing. What would yours be? Well, I'm thinking a lot about AI, you know. I'm thinking a little bit maybe too, not as fun about the question and more practical. They can wonder if acting, how long acting is going to be around. And so then I'm like, okay, well, maybe it's just like, this is such a boring practical answer.

but I think I would be like really just amazing at stocks, like stocks and money. That's smart. Does that interest you? No, it does not interest me. I literally tune out whenever anybody talks about it. But imagine you kind of comes really naturally to you. You have a couple monitors in your room and you just kind of spend maybe 10 minutes just kind of clicking and zoom in. And you know, you're just going to toss this stock over here into this little bucket and toss all these.

That's how it works. Probably you just toss stuff. You just tossing things. That's what you do. Yeah. And then you got a bunch of money. That's a, you know what? So then you don't have to like, and then you can use that money to get the best, like,

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to learn a new skill? 98. I'm just kidding. Sorry, that's for you to answer. No, because... No, that's a science certificate. Yeah, that's a bad. Yeah, that's a bad.

Yeah. It's a good question. I don't. I don't think so. I think your attitude for life can deteriorate and that can affect your ability to learn. Yeah. Yeah. I will actually, I'll fight my joke because Breyer's great grandmother, who's 96,

is learning new things all the time because life changes, technology, everything. And she can do it all. She has an Instagram. But what about with, like, career paths? Like, for instance, my husband, he works his profession as a doctor. But if he could do anything, he'd be a singer, right? I think he has a really pretty voice. He does.

So I'm like, it's not too late. Do it. Right? And he's like, well, I think that ship sailed. And I'm like, why is that based on how old you are? If you can sing, do it. I think I agree with that tenfold. Like, look at Bruce Springsteen.

He's, I don't know how old now, but he's singing great. But if he, like, he probably started when he was like 18, got really damn good when he was like 27. That's not that many years. Right. Right. That's not that many years. Yeah. And he's probably sounding great at 18.

That's what I'm saying. I think there's certain things that, you know, I think Rachel could learn BMX. I think you could learn stocks. I think. But it takes. the need and the desire and the love. Like you clearly, Rachel, have a great love for VMX. And that would carry you far on your pathway.

It would. Me, my brain literally shuts down when somebody's like, fine. Do you have your fucking retirement phone set up or some shit? Yeah. No, I'm with you. Why is it that so many people's brains are different? Like, I hear that and my brain shuts down. Me too.

I can't math. No. Yeah. It's not going to happen. Yeah. You know what? I just really respect your answer because it was very practical and beneficial. It's sort of a cheat code. I mean, like, it's like when somebody asks you what superpower you would have. Like, you guys know what the cheat code answer is.

What? Shapeshifting. Because then you get invisibility. You can turn into a gnat. You get flight. You can turn into an eagle. You get breathing out of water. You can turn it to a fish. you get speed you could turn into a cheetah you get all the superpowers if you were going to shape shift right now what would you turn into oh great question um wow i would turn into like the most interesting podcast guest you you did it okay you want to be the most interesting

answer some of these questions. Olivia, go. So I want you to think about your best friend that has a girlfriend, okay? Whoever your best friend is that has a girlfriend, the three of you are stranded on an island. To survive, one of you is going to need to be eaten. Are you going to eat your best friend or the girlfriend? Or are you going to keep her for yourself and eat the best friend? You see the predicament? I do, I do. Is there any sort of, what kind of materials are, I don't know. this island. Do we have anything? Coconut. The only material you have is to, like, grill one.

You've got a nice, you've got a good little gas grill, a little propane tank grill. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Okay. Because you have to think about, oh, God, you know, this is a hard one. Because what, you were going to wait for them to die or you have to kill them? I don't really know the circumstance. I just know that. I just know that one of them has to die in order for the rest of you to survive. Okay. This is, yeah, pretty brutal, pretty brutal thought process going on here upstairs that I've got going on. Okay.

But I'll just walk you through it. I don't think I have it in me to, like, kill. I would have to use the propane tank to kill them probably to back to, like, do that. I don't have that in me. I literally one time hit a deer and I, it was like half dead and I was like trying to figure. I was like, I have to put it out. It's misery. No.

And I was like, got in a car to like maybe, you know. And I couldn't, I couldn't do it. I started crying and I was like, and I got back out. But then luckily, the deer, just to follow up on the story. So you aren't left hanging miraculously overcame. It's shock and ran off into the woods. Thank God you didn't run it over then. I know.

Thank God. He's like a deer stuffed its toe, so I tried to kill it. So I was going to have to kill it, obviously. I was just thinking a Tommy boy. Yeah. Okay, you got to go into, you got to go put yourself into like a castaway mindset of absolute desperation. You're so so hungry. You're so hungry.

It's your best friend, you know, and it's who he loves most. Yeah. And in my case, I know her really well and I would, I don't, I would be really impossible. I think that I would. And also, then you can't just wait for the person to die because, then you're not even going to really be able to eat them because I don't think you can eat a dead animal. Oh, they'd be like rotted?

Something like that? Or they'd be spoiled? Oh, I don't know. I've never looked into this. So I think I would, I would, uh, KMS. What? What? I would call myself.

Oh. Is this a generational thing again? This is a generous thing. I've never heard it. Explain that way. Just a maybe more respectful, maybe podcast. Acroning way to say that. Everything's an acronym.

You would sacrifice yourself. I would. I think I would because I would, then what does my life look like after that? If we get saved, if I do end up getting sustenance for two of us, and then I've killed my best friend for the rest of my life. But then you got his girlfriend? I'm just kidding. No, you're right.

You're doing the right thing. I think I actually would end up doing that because I would really think this through. I mean, if you do end up getting, you to, Toot, tut, little chug boat comes along. Oh, your guys are saved. You guys are bellies are full from eating your best friend. Yeah. And then you've got to go carry on with the rest of your life.

You might end up. But don't, what if there is no boat that's coming to rescue you? Wouldn't you keep the girl to procreate? And what are you guys going to survive off of? I don't know. I said there's coconut. Have a bit. You got coconuts?

Yeah. Raise a community off of coconuts, start a family. Haven't you seen Moana? What would you guys do? Oh. You keep flipping the script on us here. You didn't think about it. No.

And each question we ask him, he really, like, goes there. We're not used to this, like, the thinking. This is a dark one. Like, it sounds kind of fun when you just say it, but then when you break it down, it's fucking dark. Yeah, it's so dark. Yeah, I don't know what kind of person would ask these kind of questions. I know. I don't know. Who would come up with it, Olivia?

What is wrong with whoever's notebook this is? Yeah. That's her notebook for the record. It's not mine. That's coming off of her notebook. This is from Rob himself. It's Rob. See, here's a question that I have, and you can tell that my notebook is a lot different.

Okay. If you had to pick one actress to be opposite you as your romantic lead for the rest of your career, who would it be? Every movie. Wow. That's so interesting. Gentle. Gentle. Like a Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan kind of relationship.

Yeah, sure. Can you choose an actor? That's dead? That's dead? Because you had to eat them. Yeah. Because I had to survive. You can pick anyone you want, alive or dead, whatever you wish.

Wow. Holy smokes. Listen, it's hard to just shoot from the hip on these ones. You're doing great. You are doing phenomenal. You know what you do that most people just answer? And you really put a lot of thought into it. That's what I said, the thinking.

He's doing a lot of thinking. You can't just like, in some ways I'm almost like, well, who do I love working with, who I have worked with in the past? Because you can't just choose a random person. And then the odds, there are the odds that you guys don't get along and you don't have bad chemistry. And then you have a lifetime of movies with this person. Who you thought was super cool. and love their acting, but all of a sudden it's just a stiff series of flicks. Yeah.

It's a rough life. So you kind of got to think back, okay, well, who do I love working with? Well, I just did a movie with this actor, Eliza Scanlon, who's such a good actor, and she's, like, such a generous actor, and she's, like, very versatile and could do a lot of different roles. And we got a long great. Very practical. So I think she's like fun to hang out with and she's one of the best actors I've ever worked with.

And she's versatile. So depending on we obviously don't want to just do a series of like, you know, met in New York, met in New York two, met in New York three. We want to kind of like jump around in eras and probably in styles. And she can really, she's got the, she can put on a lot of different skins. Yeah. So I'd go with Eliza. That's amazing. So that would be like kind of like a Kate Winslet.

like how Kate Winslet and Leo have done. Shapeshifter. Yeah, totally. Shapeshifter. Yeah, she's a good shape shifter. Yeah. All right. She's got the superpower already.

He doesn't even need the genie in the bottle. There you go. Solid answer. Practical. I have another question. Yep. You're at a bar with your best friend. Another best friend.

This best friend is single. You don't have to eat. Don't have to eat anyone. Okay. You guys are talking to a girl, okay? Okay. The best friend. Same level of success in career, let's say, looks, charms, charisma, all the things.

My best friend has all those. Okay, good. How do you? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, no. Oh, wait. I was asking. The best friend.

I'm saying a best friend that you feel is like, yeah, we could go toe to toe, right? Okay, got you, gotcha, got you. What is it that you do or say that wins the girl? Oh. Wow. I'm going to have to tap out on this one. No, he just plays his, you play your entry song. I just play Little Green Apples and just let Roger Miller do his work.

No, I think I would have to, I'm not, I'm not really good at that. You'd bow out? Is that you're saying? I would bow out, yeah. And then you'd be like, I'd be like, wait, then you'd get the girl. We gave you gold earlier of what. to do. Oh, you did? Make fun of her?

Is that what you're referring to? Roast. Go to Roastown? Just go to Roastown. Do a little rotissary. But if you bow out, that's... Do a little roistery. Oh, Gelson's rotis. Yeah. If you bow out, that's kind of like ignoring her and then that might win.

Right. But also, but if you roast out the gate, I feel like you have to have a little bit of rapport with somebody to roast? Like what's your name? Like what's your name? Yeah, you know, you guys talk all night and then you just go, I just want you to know I'm not interested and get up and walk away. That would work? Is that?

I'm not interested? Wait, okay. With both of you guys in another lifetime, by the way, have you guys seen past lives? No. Rob keeps talking about it, though. Rob, we got to have a chat about that. Destroy me.

Okay. And if we're in the movie, past lives or some version of it, and you guys are in a bar with literally two of the same guy, like he looks the same. He's, it's a replica. We've got clones. One guy. His name is Derek. Okay. And he's super cool and super, like, funny and good looking.

And they're both there with you. And what's the one thing? that the one guy says that's going to make the other one have to walk away and call it quits. Fuck you. I'm just kidding. I told you he's going to say, I'm not interested. Sorry, I had an opportunity. I took it.

Sorry, my dog's going crazy. What kind of dog? Does you hear that? One, two? I've got a little blue healer. My roommate, Jackson. I was trying to get my roommate Jackson to come in on this, but he went and looked at another house.

But my roommate Jackson White, he's a great actor and a great friend. Jackson White? He left. Yeah, I asked Rob if he could pop in here. And Rob said, no chance. Rob said kind of a sort of a lukewarm, sure. And we took that as a resounding yes. But then he had to go.

So he has a little dog named Fred, and I've got a dog named Bodie. He's a little blue heel. little dog. I just looked him up. I wanted to see. I wanted a face to a name. And Rob says everything lukewarm. Yeah. No matter what it is, it's going to be a good lukewarm. That's just the MO. It's a good, that's a good way to be. There's never any enthusiasm unless he's joking. And now he sends his texts really enthusiastic to us.

Because you requested some exclamation points? Yes. We didn't request it. We just said, you know, Rob, you could show. show a little enthusiasm sometimes. So now if we say, yeah, Rob 11 works, he'll be like, you go, girl, you're the best. I feel seen. Dang, I don't get those texts from Rob. Oh, no, you have to ask for it. Rob and I are still, you know, still new and fresh. So we're getting to. You'll work up to it. Although, we jumped right into the roast. We jump right into the roast, Rob and I. Okay, good. Yeah, he's for it. Flirt roast ratio. Oh, good. He is for it. Roast ratio.

Oh my God. Okay, what are your thoughts on a girl sleeping with you on the first date? He's like, I'm down. It's a good question. I mean, I think, like, it totally just depends on the person and the dynamics and how the night is going and how it's all feeling. I don't think that, like, if you sleep with someone on the first date, it makes you like a man whore or, you know, whatever. I think that if it's, like, good, it's like, why not, you know? it's like sometimes you just want to just let the snowball become a snowman, you know,

roll down the hill and see what it becomes. Let that snowball become a snowman. That's just a classic metaphor. I'm sure you guys are familiar with that one. I think that that's how you would win someone. You just go, let's just let this snowball become a snowman. I think that's the line. That's the line.

That's the opener for sure. Because it's so vague. Nowhere. Yeah. Out of nowhere. It's almost a riddle. Yeah. What's your longest relationship?

Four years. Wow, you're so young to have had a four year. Or maybe not. I had a four year out of college. Okay. That's long. Respectable. Yeah.

What's your guys as longest? 11. 10. 11. 10. It's wrong. Oh, yeah. Hmm.

Interesting. Okay. Oh, am I asking this last one? Did you go through all years? Age range. What do you think about age range is? What about them? Do you have them?

What's in an age? I don't. You know, I've met like 30-year-olds who have like the personality of somebody who's like, you know, 20-year-old. And then I've met like, you know, 40-year-old who has the personality of like a, 20 year old and then I've also met like a 20 I don't know it's just like depends on depends on like everyone has the yes their technical age but I feel like you know it just depends on the person and how they walk through life and how they see life and some people just are they have a natural disposition where

they already are you know mature and some people have a natural disposition where they learn it slower It's a really boring and weird answer. I don't have an age range. There's basically no age range. It's just basic person-based kind of thing, you know? Yeah. That works. Of age, though.

Does that work? It's like a bit of a bummer answer. A bummer answer? No. What if you were like, I go from you had specifics? Oh, my age range. Yeah, thank you for asking. I actually want to talk about this from August 10th, 2000.

It's not a bummer. We had someone on that was like, I won't go over 30. And we're like, you're over 30. And he was like, no, not doing it. So that was a bummer to us, even though. Won't go over 30. What if the love of his life is like 31? Right.

Even love of his life is 42. Yeah. Love of his life is 89 and stopped learning. Look at Sarah Paulison and, you know, her girlfriend? I know. Yes. Oh my God, look them up. It's amazing.

Really? Yeah. It's beautiful. Googling. And someone was making a joke the other day. She's like, would you date me? And she's like, maybe if you're 10 years older, her girlfriend's much older. Sarah.

Paulson. Paulson. Mm-hmm. And her girlfriend. And her girlfriend. Are you typing that out? Yeah. And her girlfriend.

You just write her name and girlfriend. Oh, Holland Taylor? Yeah. That's it. Oh, my goodness. I had no idea about this. What a beautiful thing. That is awesome.

I love that couple. At what point do you introduce a girl to your parents? Kind of when it happens naturally. I mean, I think, yeah, I think like whenever it happens organically, I think I don't have any rules as to when that happens. I mean, it's definitely a solid. It's not just like a meaningless interaction or introduction. Definitely is like I feel like this might be something. Because you don't want, I think, to introduce.

My family is like really tight, tight family. And I think, you know, they went in the past, like they will take, you know, my brother's girlfriends and my sister's boyfriends or my, you know, anyone I've dated as they take them in, really. And so if it doesn't work out, it's like a painful extraction, you know. where that's painful for everybody. And so that's not something to take too lightly, but also, you know, it's not like a hard rule of thing, I don't think. Okay.

Organically happens. Yeah, organically. Yeah. But again, there's a lot of thought that goes into it that I think is considerate for all the parties involved. That sounds, you know. You seem very consider. You consider things. You're very considerate.

Consider it. What sign are you? I'm Aquarius. Oh, no. That's cool. My son's an Aquarius. Cool. When's his birthday? February 16th. Nice. That's a great. I love February birthdays. My mom and sister are both February birthdays.

Oh, really? When are you? Yeah. January 29th. Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. Okay, cool. What are red flags in a relationship? Probably the wrong, like, sign. Oh. I don't know he's joking.

Finally, someone who thinks like me. I think he's joking. No, I mean, I do abide by some sign, you know, some horoscope beliefs. My sister knows a lot about it. And she has taught me quite a bit. But then there are some parts where it's like this applies to everyone. a little bit kind of thing. Sure.

But then there's spots where it's like, this is undeniable. Yeah. It's just undeniably true. Okay, red flags. Oh, man. Holy smokes. Oh, God.

Well, you know, I don't know. Like some of these rule things, like, I don't really have, like, I don't really have any because you don't really know. some people can do the same thing that doesn't work for you that another person does and it's fine for you, you know?

Yeah, interesting. Like one person can like sing along to every song in the car while you're driving and it's like, no noise the hell out of you and then another person can do it and you're like, this is the most fun I've ever had.

That's called a new relationship. Yeah. I think like it can have in red flags unless it's like something that, I don't know, like you might be depriving yourself from meeting somebody that has like all the green flags, but they have one red flag that's like your rule. And then all of a sudden you're disqualifying somebody who maybe could be amazing.

And like maybe the red flag is that you have a red flag and you can't get over this one thing. Oh, right. Maybe if my red flag is like that they don't, you know, I don't know. What's an example of a red flag? It lives with their parents. They live with their parents. Okay, that's a great example. I hadn't thought about stuff like that.

Okay, I was thinking more personality-wise. Yeah, so maybe that's like, okay, maybe they live with their parents, and you really don't like that. But they have like all these other amazing qualities. And maybe it's like, okay, I got to find out, do they love living with their parents? Is this something that they want to do forever? Or maybe is there some kind of part of them where I can introduce them to what life outside of the parental living? situation looks like and how glorious it can be and what solitude and autonomy looks like. And maybe we can be a part of this discovery together. Or if you have that red flag where you're like, somebody's like, I'm going to set you up with

this guy. He's really fucking awesome. He's so cool and hot and sweet and funny and talented. But he lives with his parents and you're like, red flag can't do it. And then it's just like a dead end. You just cauterized something that could have bloomed into a beautiful flower. Right. You don't know. Because what if he's doing it to help them. What if? What if he's helping out his mom? Right. What if she needs him?

Can I just say something? Can I make a blanket statement here? Just observing how you're answering questions and whatever. I'm just going to go as far as saying you're just an open person. You are very open to experiences, to people, to what may come your way. You're not limiting. You're not limiting yourself. You got to be.

You got to be a fish in the river. You can't be a boulder. You can't be a boulder. You can't be a boulder. You can't. But also you guys have such a good rapport and such a good openness. So it's encouraging and feels like a safe space. Thanks.

We like creating safe spaces. It's also an aquariumous thing. The openness. Yeah, the water. Yeah. True. My grandma was an aquariums. And I feel like most.

I know it's not every Aquarius, but most Aquariuses have a very open mind and heart. Well, you are displaying that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay, with that being said, I'm going to finish up here with my last question. Wait, did you finish all yours, Lou? Oh, no, I have the most important question. Oh.

Oh, man. What is your ideal sandwich? Yeah. Whoa, cool. Love this question. You know, me and my buddy, Fever, just the other day, went to Cookbook and got their turkey sandwiches, which are really great. And we were having a big discussion about why we loved it so much. If there was room for improvement, what could they do?

But, for example, Cookbook, they pre-make their sandwiches and they wrap them in, like, wax paper, and then they keep them on the counter. So that limits you in terms of tomatoes. You can't pop an heirloom in there and leave it on the counter. It's going to soak into the bread, ruin their all. awesome quality bread. But if we're talking to fresh sandwich, I would do like some really fresh sourdough bread. I would do some arugula.

You kind of said that weird. Arugula. Arugula? I do definitely some arugala. And then some pepper jack cheese, turkey, aoli, a little bit of pesto. Oh. And heirloom tomatoes.

Amazing. I respect it. Any avocado on this piece? I love avocado. I do. But sandwiches and burgers, they just slip out like a wet fish. They do slip out. They never stick around.

They don't. Maybe they need a little mashing. That sounds really good. Maybe they could use a little mashing. I'm just saying my little mashup. Totally. I would be down with a little mashing near the bread and then mayo or aoli kind of on top of that. See?

Maybe just a light, light mustard. And then you know what? You have to do with sandwiches. What? A lot of people forget. Salt and pepper. Yep. Agreed.

Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. Always hit it with salt and pepper. But do you do regular salt or do like the flaky? Whatever's around, but if I have a, if I have options, I'll do some Himalayan, you know? Yeah. These are important things, you know?

Yeah. Super important. All right. Well, thank you so much for. coming on and being such a trooper and really putting some thought into the questions. We really appreciate it. Thank you guys for having me. That was so much fun. So nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. So if I fall asleep at like nine, which I do sometimes, I'll wake up in the middle of the night because my body doesn't want to sleep more than seven hours. So it's up in the

middle of the night. I fell back to sleep and you dream really hard, you know, when you fall back to sleep. And in my dream, there was a child and he was a child. And he was a little. And he was a little bit of He had transitional lenses. Oh. That sounds like a fucking nightmare. And I was like, I was like, I have to tell Olivia, I just saw a kid with transitional lenses. That's so funny. I know.

I thought you'd appreciate that. Are they dark right now or are they fine? They're medium. They're medium. They're not glasses right now. Yeah, they're not completely clear. You guys, what am I supposed to do? Well, for one, stop buying more pairs of them.

Oh, yeah. walk by a glasses kiosk. She's just obsessed with transitional. People send me everything on social media about transitional glasses now. It's really funny. It's all positive or is there any negative?

There's no negative. Nobody's sending me negative at least because they're kind people that listen to the show. Right. That's fair. That's fair. You'd have to be kind of an asshole to go out of your way to send you negative things about transitional lenses. Yeah. I'll be on the hunt.

But people are honest. I had some moments recently on our social media that upset me. Not like they were upsetting whatever. They thought I was hating on Pittsburgh. Oh, no. I mean, you were, to be fair. No, I wasn't. I love Pittsburgh. I'm so down for Pittsburgh and it's people and it's beautiful. I love Pittsburgh. And it made me sad. You love Pittsburgh. I love it. Are you kidding? I'm like a stealer. And a pirate. I wave my terrible towel. You wave your towel? That's what you do in Pittsburgh for the ceiling. You leave your terrible towel. I knew what you meant. You knew that? Well, that's like kind of a not just a Pittsburgh thing.

Like that's like a sporting thing. Well, they have their specific one though. It's a thing. Right. They have their specific. Terrible towel. Oh, that specific. Yeah.

Got it. Something else this morning I thought of and I was like, you know what? I'm going to share this with you guys. This happens quite, not quite often. But like anytime my period's like due and let's say I have like a beach day coming up or a vacation or going to Universal Studios all day and I'm on the toilet. You know, your first pee is usually when it comes. And like, I'm like, oh good, it didn't come. And I go to myself, hold on for one more day. And I just wanted to share that. And I wondered if anybody else does that. They go to Wilson Phillips and they sing hold on for one more day. You know. That's my go to. Have you ever done that, Lou? I have used that song for a number of different things, but not not getting your period. No, I usually go to Sunday, bloody Sunday.

Right, because that's when you get your period. Yeah, got it. Or I go to even flow. There are many, many numbers that could be used. Did I tell you about that experience with that song that I had? Wait, I feel like you did, but please. Sure. When I was like in my 20s and I was working at like a boutique, Parker Posey came in. And she's like, I'd never met her. And she's like, I'm doing this movie and I've got the song stuck in my head. And I was like, what song is it? And she was like, you know that there was change. And we just and I was like, but you hold on for one. We sing the whole entire song, just straight face standing face to face singing the song into each other's face from start to finish. And it was.

a fucking moment. I thought you were going to say even flow. No. Because you had said even flow and you're like, have I told you that story? I thought you were going to be like Parker Posey and I sang every word to even flow in each other's faces. That would be equally as good. That would be equally as good. I love that you did that.

It is a very universal song. Like, I don't know if it's aging out, you know, because we're obviously a little older, but it really works in so many cases. Rob, do you even know that song? Nope. What? What? this exact conversation. I think my response then was, I don't know the version of it that you're singing. I might know the real song. We've had this conversation about Hold On by Wilson Phillips.

The Parker Posey one we've... See? This is what it's like working with old ladies. Yeah. No memory. I'm beginning to understand. But I haven't told you that I sing that to my vagina when I... No, no. That was new. That was new. Yeah. I'm curious what other songs people sing about their period. Yeah, I bet there's, you know what? We're taking a poll. Anybody have any submissions? They're welcome here. You know who I think is going to appreciate this conversation?

Lewis, who is our guest that you've just listened to. How did you feel about Lewis? I loved Lewis. Lewis, you were just a ray of sunshine, my friend. A breath of fresh air. I loved how deeply he went with our questions. And the consideration he took was very, I was very touched. It really got to me.

Yeah, he's rad. How's everyone else's week been? I can't. Olivia's been dealing with some shit. Shit. What shit? That's too much. It's school stuff.

Not switching my schools for my kids, the last minute, just nightmares. Well, we had a hurricane since we last talked. That's true. How was the hurricane for you guys? It was fine. Calvin went rock climbing. During it? Outside?

No, he goes rock climbing every Sunday. I was there with him and then the earthquake thing came on my phone. Oh, yeah. That was a thing. I didn't feel it at all. And then him and I went and walked around in the rain for like two hours and he jumped in puddles. That's cute. That's a good dad.

Briar and her friend were outside during the rain on the trampoline. They were having a blast. Yeah, kids love rain. They do. That's the first time I've had like an alert on my phone for an earthquake. I think it's new technology or something. But I heard it and I thought it was about flash flooding or something. And I looked and I was like, oh shit.

And I like froze and like brace myself. I'm like earthquake. But I didn't feel anything. It was a semi-alarming message. It was very alarming. That's why I like froze and I was like, what do we do? It was like, hold on. Earthquake happening.

Brace yourself. Yeah. That moment, that whole thing, we were driving. driving on the grapevine through the five during the hurricane. And everyone afterwards, I was like looking at people's social media and they're like, that wasn't a hurricane. It was rain and when you're driving through it feels like a hurricane. Like people were spun out left and right, hydroplaining, car accidents.

It was pretty nuts. And we were like getting the alerts and driving through it. And then they're like, and it's an earthquake. I'm like, oh, we're just like casually driving through the apocalypse. Yeah, that's not a good time to be driving. No, it's ridiculous. Yeah. The alert said,

earthquake detected, drop, cover, and hold on. Yeah. Protect yourself. We thought you're like bracing yourself. I was like, what the, and I was pretty calm about all, you know, everyone's like, oh, it's coming the truck.

And I'm like, okay, you know, I'm not an alarmist. And then I got that alarm, and I started collecting every candle in my house and knowing where they were and changing my batteries and my flashlights and stuff. That's a bit of an alarmist.

Well, after the earthquake thing, it breaks me out. And I had a friend, Briar's friend sleeping over, So I like, I'm like, oh gosh, I'm responsible for another kid, you know. Did you prepare it all for it? Because I know people in L.A. really freaked out. No.

Did I prepare? How do you prepare? People were, like, boarding stuff up. What? Well, in the grocery stores were, like, picked clean. It was like COVID, beginning of COVID grocery store. Are you serious? Really?

Yeah. All the waters were gone. Oh, my God. I guess I get that if the water system collapses. But fill up some water. bottles while you have water. Well, why do they do that? I mean, I guess some places were hit really hard, right? I think the don't drive they were right about. Like when we were driving, I was like, we should not, because we were on a camping trip. So we had to get home and we're like, okay, well,

let's try and beat the storm. We didn't. But I did feel like at least Jeff has a little bit of experience growing up in Pittsburgh knowing how to drive in rain. Right. That doesn't matter, though, because the roads here aren't built. It doesn't matter. But he knows when there's a puddle, you don't break in the puddle. Like, sure. I don't know that growing up in LA.

Can I tell you? I didn't know this information. No. All my years in Canada during the winter, I didn't have to drive in that growing up. It is terrifying. Like you hit black ice. Like I would just be like sailing down the driveway

out of control being like, well, see what happens. This is where I die. Like, literally, it is a skill. Like, you grow up with it. It's way, yeah. It's different. You know at least what to, like, avoid, you know when to, like, I don't know.

I feel like L.A. drivers don't necessarily know how to drive in the rain because we haven't had to. No, they don't. No, we don't. It's a combination of that, though, and the roads aren't built to sustain that much rain. Right. No, they're not. So it isn't the same as driving in Chicago or Pittsburgh in the rain. No, it's not.

And we were getting flut, like we were driving through puddles where our whole car was like, it felt like we were in roaring rapids. Like on a, it was stupid. And we're getting alerts from like, we're getting calls from Jeff's family and my mom like, duck, cover, hold tight. Don't move. You're going through a hurricane. We're like, oh, we're driving home. Did you get a bunch of concerned texts and calls, Rachel, from friends and family? Negative.

I didn't either. A bunch of people said that they were getting calls and stuff. Oh, actually, we did get one call from the East Coast. Like, we just saw, are you guys okay? And we were fine. Yeah, we got, we got zero. Yeah, I realized that I had one. Then, like, someone texts me, like, put anything away outside that could blow away. And I was like, I don't know what that is. Like an umbrella or something.

I don't, like, I don't have those things. Lawn furniture. I don't know. Here's the thing. The news makes everything bigger than it is. So that's my question, right? Like, obviously they do. And that's why I think I go about it.

But like, it's like the boy you cried wolf because you're like, yeah, this is not, okay, here we go. They're making this huge thing. And it's not going to be a huge thing. But when do we know the difference? Right. And you need to prepare somewhat. I mean, like the beginning of COVID when we all thought like,

oh, we'll just be two weeks. You know, we just have to like, you know. Get toilet paper. Yeah, hide out for two weeks and then it'll be fine again, you know. But they were right. And then so there's an example of like, oh no. They weren't right though. They weren't.

It wasn't two weeks. No, I'm saying we thought I thought. It's serious enough. Yeah. I feel like no matter what it is, we're getting little spoonfuls of the truth. It's either way over exaggerated or trying to be downplayed. Well, you think it's them. willfully giving us bits of the truth.

They don't know. They don't know how bad the storm's going to be. They're projecting worst case so that there's not a mass amount of people getting hurt because they ignore it and go camping and drive back in the middle of it. Yes, but I think they also, I think the news does play on hysteria. For sure, for sure. But they don't have a crystal ball and no. like they're not intentionally

I mean maybe they are intentionally withholding some information but they don't know the outcome of the hurricane or COVID to have been like well let's just pretend like we don't know or tell people the opposite well we're talking about two different things right

there's the government and then there's the media so it's like the media doesn't know what's going to happen with COVID like what you're saying they don't know they're not like giving us misinformation but I do think they hype up when there's any sort of fear, they go all in on it. Yeah.

Well, that's all just so that people click and watch. Yeah, it's for ratings, for money, marketing. I thought you were tiptoeing towards a like... I'm not going there. I'm not going to the government, the big guy. You were tiptoe towards tiptoeing towards some conspiracy theory stuff. No, it's not even conspiracy theory. No, I know, I know.

The way you were saying it made sense. Just you could have very easily took a soft left turn. No, not doing it. Not doing it. Into the media. No. All I'm saying is sometimes I think things are played up a bit for fear. Yeah.

Well, the news is all fear. Even like Instagram news, like every story that's news on there from like whatever outlet. I'm not saying it's always like the most legit outlets. But it's like this person just died from da-da-da. What news are you getting on Instagram? I don't know. What I'm just saying? There's like a ton of different outlets and it's just like it'll filter through.

Also, every time we talk about my fears, the snake in the toilet, then on Instagram, what did I see? Real stories, right? We talked about this. Then what do we talk about? My fear of enclosed water slides. Because if you get stuck. And what did I see? I sent it to you guys.

A man who got stuck inside. No, I didn't see that. You don't look at our text. Well, you both are guilty of it at different times. Okay, fine. Well, mine are worth looking at. I was off the grid, to be fair. Anyway. Rachel's off the grid when you're not, honestly, green. I'm permanently off the grid.

Yeah, a man got stuck in an enclosed water slide. This is not going to sound nice, but how large would see? He was not. He was not a teenager. Oh, he was not large. Okay. I'm telling you, fear. And then I saw it.

It wasn't like what you were afraid of where there's going to be like 40 people crammed in there and then water's going to fill up. He just got stuck. Yeah, but still, it was still someone getting stuck in one, okay? I have a question about fear. Yes. And I would like to know what your guys' relationships are with your parents around fear because I'm struggling with something right now where I'll have fears. And then I'll call my mom and she'll go, oh, well, you don't want to do that. because X, Y, and Z.

She'll feed into the fear. And she just jumps straight into the fear with me. And I'm like, dude, that's not helpful. I feel like as people get older, I don't know if she watches too much, like news or whatever, but I feel like she jumps straight into the fear. And it's hard for me. Let me tell you, because my mom is the complete opposite. But to the point where, like, I'm annoyed, like, be in this fear a little bit with me

to, like, validate what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Instead of the, I'm like, mom, no, but, you know what I mean? Like, being the reality of the whatever it is. That's how I feel being the reality of it. Like, I'm in the fear. Just be a little bit in the reality, which is somewhere outside of the fear. And you're having the same experience just opposite.

Right. What about you, Rob? I don't ask my mom for advice for parenting. It's like you and I call our moms for everything. Yeah, but even if I'm not asking. Yeah, we're not talking about that stuff. Your mom is particularly in the fear, though, Olivia. Well, my mom is, too.

That's why we don't. That's why she just won't go to her with it. Talk about that stuff because we know what her response is going to be and it's going to be too far in one direction. So we don't bother. It's hard because I feel like, to be honest, I feel like I'm picking some of that up. Like when we were camping, like my natural instinct is to say no to everything. Like they're driving the boat and Elliot's on the tube and he's going fast. My cousin is like driving it really fast.

And I want to be like, stop. It's too fast for him. And then when we stop, he's like, more. And I'm like, I can't tell anymore. Is your cousin saying more? No, Ellie. But you know what I mean? Like I can feel myself being afraid of like Elliot jumping off of the dog and like all the things.

Oh, well, with kids, of course you go to the fear because the biggest fear is like losing a kid, right? And there's many times where my brain will go to the most morbid places. And it's awful and you feel awful. But you have to try to work with that in your brain. I will say like Breyer was being, we went tubing. And I was like, dude, go faster. See if we can flip her off. So that's what my cousin did to his own kids. Right. Like, because I know she's having fun. She's not scared, you know. I don't really want her to fall off. But I mean like it was fun seeing. her like fly all over the place because she was having a great time. Elliot can swim, right? Yeah. And he was wearing a life jacket. Then he's fine. Not off the dock.

He was jumping without a life jacket off the dock, right? He was doing both. But he can swim. Yeah. If he fell in, wouldn't be the worst thing. Well, so here's where my brain goes. You want to know how dark my brain is? Yeah, go.

We're on the boat. My cousin's driving it really fast. Jeff's on the boat. Shepherd's on the boat in the life jacket. Elliot's in the tube. And I flashed back into my mind to this documentary I watched where these teenagers went out and got like really drunk. I don't know if I want to hear this. And-

All right. Take your headphones off, Rachel. The teenagers got really drunk. And the guy was like driving the boat out of control. One of the teenage girls fell off, knocked her head on the boat. Gone her. They never found her. They ended up finding her, obviously, like five days later or something.

But she died. So in my mind we're having a lovely boat day and all of a sudden I'm like, oh shit, I got to put my life jacket on because if he drives really fast and we fall off, I need my life jacket on in case I hit my head and you can't see in a lake. No, swimming in a lake definitely scares me. Olivia, you do this though. Like Olivia will share with me these stories where I didn't have certain fears before. And then she's like, did you ever see the show the affair? And then she explains this like crazy. The drowning.

Yeah, this thing. And I'm like, well, I never thought about that before now. The dry drowning? Yeah. I'm like, thank you. Thank you for supplying that information. Well, guess what? Then I lost a friend to it.

Someone I know from USM. One of my friends from school died of dry drowning. The state I'm in right now, I can't handle these stories. Please. God, I'm so overwhelmed right now. I'm like stressed out. And he's like, let me tell you all the ways that we could die or our children could die. So those are the things I stress about, Rachel stress out about, I don't know if I should get pizza or have balloons.

Are you minimizing my stress? You just need to think about like what the likelihood of them dying from a boat accident versus like you guys driving home in a hurricane or just driving to the grocery store. I don't want you guys. Can we please change the subject? likely to die in a car accident of things you're doing just every day. So being fearful of these like really extreme accidental things isn't worth it. Okay. Question.

Really quick and then we'll move on. So did you think that was next level of me to put the life jacket on myself? Or do you think, yeah, that's smart. No, I put a life jacket on. That's fine. I like wearing life jackets. Because we weren't wearing life jackets on the boat because we're, we know how to swim. The kids were, obviously.

but I'm trying to think Did I? We were, because we just did a lake vacation. Did I have a, I think I had, I feel like I had a, I hope so, Rachel. What does that mean? Like, I can't swim.

No, but I do, swimming in a lake definitely is not my favorite. It just feels kind of spooky. Oh, you mean the rattlesnakes that are in the lake? There's rattlesnakes in lakes. What are you talking about? Okay, I quit. I need to go.

I don't want to do this anymore today. This is not fun. not fun for me. You're such an asshole. They like to swim up your asshole. You just haven't heard of you. I'm sorry. It's all I could think about.

Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. This is wonderful. Because I had this whole new thing. I'm like, yeah, I'm scared to swim in a lake, but I'd rather that than the ocean because I have my issues with the ocean. I love the ocean. I respect the ocean.

I don't necessarily think we're supposed to be in it. That's like a different world. and I respect it and I don't want to be like eaten or stung or whatever. Anyways, I don't like this morning. I'm sorry, I feel horrible. You don't. But also, have you heard about this other way you could die? So there's just no cult.

No, I'm just kidding. I'm sorry. You know the same I'm in. These are things that go through my head. Yeah, I know. I'm aware. Maybe for the rest of this, keep it to yourself. I deal with.

the rest of my life. The added anxiety I have with an electric car. You think you're going to get electrocuted? No, just like, am I going to run out? Where am I going to fill up? I have to like calculate. It's just like my brain is not well right now. And so that's just like an added thing to it where I'm like, God damn it.

Does it have the thing where it tells you where all the charging stations are? Probably. All right. Well, maybe we should give you a little lesson of how to use the. features of it and then you'll feel totally fine because there's always a charging station within like five miles especially in la. Worst case you take 15 minutes and can go charge. Okay. But if you're plugging in when you get home, it doesn't matter. Okay. Okay Rob. You don't feel good in my brain.

See, that's the difference. You jump in a lake and not be scared and I'd drive enough. electric car and not be scared. That's not true. You would have, you would not enjoy the electric part for your brain. You wouldn't, I know you. Don't try to tell me you'd be fine. You don't know me. You don't know me. Fuck off, Olivia. You think you know me? I do that to Jeff all the time. Do you guys ever feel that way where you just like look at someone that you've known for so long and you're like, you don't know me? Yeah, we've had this conversation about Cookie Monster and the crackers. Well, yeah. That's actually really when people don't know you. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a thing. It's an epidemic. All right, guys. Well, this has been, you know what? This has been enjoyable. Very fitting for Lewis. All these death-defying acts that we're talking about.

Excited. I'd actually like to hear his response because... You think he's going to listen? Yeah. That's what I was going to say. There's no way he's going to listen to this. I don't know if he's going to listen, but I would enjoy hearing his response.

his response to it if he did because of his response to like our questions you know what i mean yeah yeah this is wonderful i'm ready to start my day i feel good going out in the world in my electric car avoid the lakes i'm going to go to a lake oh god that was a headgum podcast