Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Local Natives on New Album and Breastfeeding + LIVE performance

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

Local Natives members Taylor Rice and Ryan Hahn visit Rachel’s house for an intimate live performance. They also talk about their new album But I’ll Wait For You, The O.C. and touring.Broad Ideas is supported by OSEA. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BROAD at OSEAMalibu.com.Broad Ideas is supported by Talkspace. Get $80 off of your first month with Talkspace when you go to Talkspace.com/IDEAS and enter promo code SPACE80.Broad Ideas is supported by Maybelline. If you, or someone you know is experiencing anxiety or depression, Maybelline New York is funding free, confidential support: Text TOGETHER to 741741 Broad Ideas is supported by Storyworth. Right now, save $10 on your first purchase when you go to storyworth.com/ideas.Broad Ideas is supported by Claritin. Go to claritin.com right now for a discount so you can live Claritin Clear. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey. Do you know who's so happy to be here? Local natives? Rob, yeah. Rob is so look at his smile. Yes, but also local natives. I'm sorry, it's pretty, pretty rad. That Rob's here?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, the joys. Oh, the joys. Oh, the joys. No, local natives. Yeah. You guys, I have to tell everybody. they played live for us in their living room in their living room in my living room I'm like it's our living room in a living room

you got a private concert for this I know it was really really special like I'm not even going to try to front like yeah whatever like it was so cool it really was it was one of those moments where I was like this is really special and cool and has never happened to me before I always like doing gym on the office when he goes. Like a photo moment. Yeah. And he does that. That's what it was. Yeah.

We need a word for that. Photo moment. Click. Yeah, I mean, you had your phone out. You were taking actual photos. So is that what you mean? There's Rob. Always there.

For the practicality. After this beautiful, loving, welcoming, intro, they're going to play Lemon. For us? Yeah. They're going to play a song called Lemon. Then we're going to interview? Then we're going to do the interview, yes.

And then they're going to play two more songs. And their new album, but I'll wait for you, is out now. One of the songs is from it. Yeah, Alpharetta. They're going to play Alpharetta after the interview for us, and that's off the new album. So pretty. And then maybe a surprise song after that. Maybe a surprise song after that.

Yeah. So yeah, stick around and also. Coming to you right now from our living room. Thank you for sharing your living room. You're welcome. Lemon. So, lemon. Down the day. You say, was it got a god a name?

It's filling unless now there's somewhere be slouching when you walk just like Hurst Paul How do you guys know Rob? How do we know Rob? Somebody just asked me this and I don't know the original. I met Rob actually at Kelsey's house. So Kelsey's our keyboard player and singer and I just saw Rob at his house one day at like a party.

So I don't even know how they met. But then Rob invited me to Trivia Night. Oh, it was house. Pre-pandemic, no, is that some bar on York in Highland Park. Okay. And, yeah, just, like, went to Trivia Night once or twice with him. And then, yeah. How did he do?

Yeah. Oh. How did he? This is a really important question. I do you feel like he relied on the team a lot to carry him. Interesting. I feel like if it was about Chicago, then you were good. But anything else.

Yeah, yeah. That's his curse. It's like about the bear or something. Like Rob's got. He's on it. Food or Chicago. Yeah. That's it.

Sometimes music. Which leaves us to you guys. Oh, okay. Nice segue. Yeah. Thank you. That's what we do here. I have to tell you guys, I don't go to many like music festivals or anything,

but this had to have been maybe 12, 13. Do you remember the FYF Fest? Of course. Yeah. It was downtown. It was somewhere. It was somewhere. It was somewhere.

It was somewhere. It was somewhere. It was somewhere. It was downtown. You nailed it. And that might have been the first year that they had had it like a big festival location like that. It was in the field that because we did FYF a couple times. The U.S.

BATO. Yeah. It was a field. And I remember. I remember dancing in my little festival wear to airplanes at the time. I still fucking love that song. Awesome. Thank you.

I remember just running around in the field and like dancing that song and you guys were playing. No way. So fucking rad. That's amazing. Yes. And that had that was like probably, I was a long time ago. Yeah. It'd been 2011 or something.

Probably. That sounds about right. Yeah. Sounds about right. Oh boy. It's a very core memory in my mind, that exact moment. Yeah. Did you stay for dead man's bones?

I did. Cool. That's all you're gonna say? Wait, like it caught weird. It just came up and somebody, I was like, they were talking about this. It just randomly came up. Somebody else was like, I saw you at FYF that year. I was like, did you see Rygaz?

Ryan Gosling's band played. And they were like, no. I originally went, because I was like, oh, I'm gonna go see Ryan Gosling. I'm gonna marry him. As you do. I'm gonna go see him and it was just, you know, that was happening. We're always second fiddle to Ryan Gosling.

You weren't. But this ain't everyone. No. No. No. My main takeaway from that festival was dancing to airplanes in the field, okay? Well, take it. Take that Ryan Gosling. I can't tell you, like...

One for him, one for us. Yeah, you know? Yeah, you guys, he came second to you there. There we go. I love that. But I do have a really important question. Do you think Ryan Gosling is enjoying being Ryan Gosling? Do you think he likes it?

I hope so. Like, do you think he's having a good time? I mean, it looks like a good time. It looks like such a good time. Yeah. So I just wanted to know if everyone thinks he's actually... Having a good time. My only hesitation is that unfortunately life is suffering.

I know. You know what I mean? Right. You mean like everyone has their thing, you know? Like everyone's got their own issues and problems and but one would hope that he's just having a ball. Thank you for being here today. I love that you say life is suffering though because this just came up the other day. my husband was, he's reading the Dalai Lama book and it was saying like the problem in Western

culture is that Westerners don't really face their suffering. So it's a lot of avoiding and doing things to gather in order to not feel pain. And in other cultures, it's the first thing they do is accept the suffering of life and then carry on. Totally. 100%. And I'm like, even though I said life is suffering at the beginning of this interview, I'm like really an optimist. And But I think it's totally congruent with that, you know, type of worldview. It's just like, yeah, you accept that as a part of life and embrace it. Yeah, but I think that's kind of optimistic. You're like, this is part of it and that's okay and.

Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yeah. Well, I think there's an awareness and that is like the first thing. And a lot of people lack that. Yeah. I have found in life. Yeah.

No, I thought you were going to say, I have lacked it. I lack it all the time. And I avoid it. I avoid it. And I avoid it where I can. Yeah. Yeah. But I want to know.

So you guys are best friends. We're best friends. Well, presumably. Besties. Are you? Do you know that? We are, yeah. We've known each other since we were 12.

Because of your teeth, or did you guys? We bonded over teeth. We did not get together. We did not get together over teeth. But our friendship really helped our teeth because Ryan's dad, shout out Dr. Hahn. Dr. Hahn to me. Dr. Hahn is a dentist. And Ryan and I met, because I know I wanted to ask you guys too.

like your story. I know you are also childhood friends and I wanted to compare who are we in a battle? Who's closer? No, this is a friendship battle is what this is. Okay, I wasn't going to take it like dark, but sure. No, no, no. This is, everything is suffering, as you said, and we are going to suffer through this. I was saying like a friendly battle, but that's fine.

We met like first day of seventh grade, literally. Like the start of junior high, sitting down in science class. Like, you know. I was new to like the school district. I didn't know anyone. and there was one seat open next to this guy at seventh grade. And I just walked in, you know, that's my two-strap backpack thing. I saw him.

And yeah, we had to build a bridge out of paper to see how many pennies it could hold. Yeah. Whoever's, like, held the most pennies. Yeah. Yeah, you know. Of course, I know that. I know bridges. But literally, I think from that moment, we were like pretty inseparable.

Yeah. So we're very, like, best friend, family. I mean, and then bandmates and we've lived together, like, our whole whole, you know, adult lives have been making music and yeah. That's so cool. It is so cool that you both ended up with such beautiful voices. It's like, yes, you met and had that connection, but like how wild that your voices worked so well together.

That's really something. That's lucky. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, we just, we kind of learned to make music together, you know? Like we picked up guitar basically at the same time. We just like, you know, started learning cover songs in our garage, but then started writing songs together. So everything we've done musically

has just been like learning together. So it kind of became natural that we were just like let's just sing at the same time and like learn how to sing together. Yeah, I do feel like it was much more learned than like. Because none of us innate. We didn't study it. I've tried to learn. Really? Yeah.

Like you put in serious time and it's just slamming into the wall over and over. It's not happening. I cannot do what you guys do. No improvement. I don't think that. Not many people can do what you guys. guys can do. No, it is. It's a gift and it is interesting.

I have to say something that's bothering me, which is you keep putting your hand up and it's blocking her face on this monitor. And you can't do that. Rob was very clear. Don't block her. Put your hand up over there. You would just see that? Oh, because the camera's right back there. You're looking.

That's an aware. You're aware. You're looking out for me and I appreciate that. I don't know. You kept constantly gesturing over. I'm just relaxed. I don't know what to do. All right.

No, I'm going to keep my hands. No, I'm going to stay like this. This looks natural, right? Superman. Okay, okay, okay. You know, that's one of those things like,

of being friends with somebody, your entire life. Ryan's really aware of people, like, so much. And so when you're like, you're so aware and you're so, you know, that, and I'm like, that's like way more Ryan. Ryan's like way more dialed in to everybody's energy around.

So I'm curious if that's like me or if that's just for hanging out with you. Right. I do think you adopt things from friends or people you spend a ton of time with. So give me just quickly like your like when did you guys meet? Yeah, yeah. Like what age were you? And then how many years has that been? Okay.

So I first like, so we grew up in the Valley. It's kind of everyone knows everybody. I remember the first time seeing a picture of Olivia. I was in seventh or eighth grade. And she was like the prettiest thing I've ever seen, but also I was terrified of her. Because I was like, she looks like she could just murder someone. No, because she was so intensely beautiful in her eyes.

And I was like, oh, my God. And the boy I liked at the time, liked her. So that's why I saw her in a yearbook. So it started off, it started off shaky, okay? You do have, if I may say, the gorge. just cult leader eyes. Whoa. I hope that's okay to say.

No, I've always wanted to run a col. You absolutely could. Thank you. You guys, she tries to like time all the time. Can't be learned. Can't be learned? Can't be learned. Is that a nice thing to say to someone?

I don't know. To me it is. I just, I just can't help but feel like. So do I. No, I like it. You don't have to say the cult leader part, but yeah. No, we understand what I get it. Like I might be able to convince someone of something.

Rachel was scared. She was also attracted. There's this theme of, yeah, Yeah, completely. Continuation, I guess. Yeah, all right. Yeah, but that's how it started. And I was like, oh, you know.

But then we became friends more, like, we were always in each other's orbit, but, like, the friendship solidified, like, around 18. Okay. Got to you. Was she taller than you when you guys met? Well, she's two years older than me, okay? So most of our friends were. So I was always, like, looking up and I was like, I need to be a part of their group.

Her, she had an older brother that introduced her to- That hung out with all of them? Yeah. And I was like, they're cool. Got it. Clearly. There was the- It needs to be a part of that cult.

That's amazing. Yeah, it was like the public school girls and the private school girls. Okay. And it would be like, there was a battle. There was like, you know, like carnivals and be like, oh, they're here. And then we joined forces and became one. Yeah. One unit.

Wow. Dang. That sounds like real LA Valley. Yeah. stuff right there. It wasn't how I would raise my kids. You know? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. We definitely wouldn't want to repeat what we experienced for our children. Right. But you guys are Orange County or. Yeah. Right? That's where it all happens. South Orange County.

Yep. South Orange County. Have you ever watched the show, the OC was there? You know, it's so funny you say that this, this came up yesterday. What? In an interview we were giving. Yeah. And somebody was like, I thought you guys were in LA band.

But then I was doing some deeper research and you're from Orange County. And it's such a thing because we, like, we've been doing the band all through high school, all through college. We both went to college up here in L.A. But we're like from Orange County. Right. And then when we kind of like started local natives and did that, we were like, we're from L.A., you know? And part of it absolutely was because the O.C., right? was like making its way around the world

and we were like, we want to be in L.A. band. We don't want to be an L.A. It also just felt so much cooler. I mean, we just, we all lived in this house in L.A. and we were just like, it just feels so much cooler to be in L.A. than Orange County. Yeah. Well, it sounds like it started in L.A.

Orange County. Oh, she's taking it out. Like, we started in Orange County. You know what I mean? Yeah. But the band started L.A. I mean, I would say like when the band, really got like actually serious as our career like we always were serious but we were

doing school and other things like that and we're like okay this is it we've graduated we're moving into a house in Silver Lake and like going for it so yes but it's it I'm just like that was absolutely a part of the thing of like well I remember they had such a vibe obviously every every interviewer especially when we went to Europe for the first time they're like like do you know the OC like every interview yeah so we were asked like Like constantly about it. But now I've like such a better like viewpoint of Orange County. And it's so it's such a beautiful and like amazing place.

And we're so lucky to be there. And you know, it's like Orange County sucks. You know, like that's how it felt. But it doesn't anymore. Like we did on the OC where we're like, Chino, ew. You're like, Orange County, ew. Yeah, exactly. And we still do that in our band because our drummer is.

909 is from there. And we still, we haven't shed that. We still make fun of him and that, which probably not cool. But you got to always make fun of people. You got to make fun of people. Yeah, yeah. I think you make fun of people you love. Yeah.

Because that's the best way to show how you really feel. That's right. That's why we talk to Rob like that. That's why we treat Rob like shit. I love that. You guys be like, he likes it. He's just like quietly in the corner. He loves it.

He loves it. Yeah. I can see it in his eyes. Same. Exactly. Yeah. That's what we're always like with guys like or, you know, if they make fun of me, I'm like, oh, I'm done. Like I'm yours.

Yeah. It's true. Yeah. True story. Right. Love that. The way to a girl's heart. Broad Ideas is supported by Osea.

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promo code space 80. Okay, but you have your new album. how did that come about? What's the name of it? Give up the detail. I want to talk about the OC more. You want to talk about life? No, the OC more.

Just the OC. Yeah. Well, I remember like, people would have, like, watch parties at our school. But I actually never, I'm not just trying to, like, be like, I never saw it. I never saw an episode of the show. What? Still haven't? Still haven't.

You should watch it. I know. It's a good time. I know. It really is a good time. Well, I remember because also then there was like that, what was it? Laguna Beach. The first one?

Yeah, yeah. You're like, I watched every single episode of that. Well, though, people at our high school knew people at, like, that high school. So people were, like, oh, my God. And then, and then, God, this is so lame. The Real Housewives. Yep. Orange County.

And that was, like, shot in, like, a neighborhood near where we grew up. So it was like, then people knew people on that show. I was like, this is out of control. It was getting crazy. I love that you're like, no, but Laguna Beach and the Real Housewives. Like, I totally know. We've got to draw the line somewhere. I know.

Orange County really had a moment. Exactly. They really did. I think now looking back, now we were like, we have to be L.A. Yeah, yeah. But for sure the O.C.

has to be the absolute best of it. But I am very excited for my homework assignment to go through it all. Yeah. I am really interested. Yeah. Did you live in Orange County for all of that? We shot it in, well, in Manhattan Beach, but like, we were all. L.A.

Oh, that's so sad. I know. The shopmate, like, the Redondo Pier, I feel like we went to. It wasn't even proper orange town. It was not. You were not in Newport, you guys. It wasn't even real. I guess that's Hollywood.

This was not real. I guess that's Hollywood. Scripted. It was all acted. We're taking that away from you. That's so amazing. Wow. Well, that's just, if we had known that at the time, I'm curious if we would have, you know, had a different feel about it.

They also played really good music on the OCE. I know. Yeah, I mean, Josh Schwartz really did. It was right at the music, right? Alex Pitzavis, who was the music supervisor and Josh. And like, everyone could, like, Adam Brody brought in death cab and like, you know, just so many different. No, we're well aware of all that because it was like, that was like the first time it was breaking bands. Right.

You know, it was like so huge. And that was kind of right before our time. Yes. But then, shout out to Alex Petzavas, the music supervisor. Like a little bit after maybe 2008. Yeah. She gave us our first sync where we were making our first record

Grill a Manor and it was on a show called Chuck Oh yeah, of course That's Josh and Josh and Chuck And so that It was like $10,000 and that paid for our funding of making Grill a Manor

Our first record That's amazing And for going to South by Southwest the first time I felt like We used the rest of it to get to Texas It really was like We're like thank you Alice for this Yeah

That is so cool I love that There's a full circle here, you guys. Totally. That's it. That's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah.

So is that kind of when things like started to take off and from there. Yeah. You guys just. Because we're recording our album. We hadn't even finished it. And we played South by Southwest. And then all these like people from England kept coming to all our showcases at South by. Really?

So like we got playing on the radio in London before anything over here. And so like we kind of like it started for us. I guess overseas. And so that was really exciting. Because all the bands I loved were like British bands growing up. So I was just like geeked out. It was like, yeah, it was the best. Who were your favorite?

I mean, basically all the Brit pop stuff. Like I love the oasis. I love Blur, the verve, pulp. Just like, yeah. So I was, yeah, I was just very excited. Was it different for you? Did you guys have different taste in music? Or was it?

Mm-hmm. A little bit. Really? Did you? That's so interesting. Yeah. What were your go-toes? Mine was,

like, well I'm trying to think of where the crossover was and what era to talk about. One big thing that I then went into was like Sufion Stevens and like very folk music and a little bit more on the like gentle slash a little bit twee side and Ryan was way more into you know, classic rock. It was that was kind of always our thing. Taylor liked more tweet like fingerpick stuff. I always liked. I shouldn't have said tweet. That's your word. Well. But Ryan like Ryan like little you know tough British edge or something that's how I see it so tough yeah so tough for

you dude no like I like I like the beauty I just like more attracted to the softer like more beautiful yeah I mean yeah if it basically we had a bander in it for a while Tay was psyched yeah yeah or like you know death cab and like like um bands in that elk too well especially when you're in like high school like emo was so big yeah sure when we were coming up it was like and you're And it's such an emotional time in your life already. So you're like hookline and sinker. Sinker? Yeah.

Sinker. Sinker. Sinker. Sinker. Sinker. Sinker. Is it sinker? It depends.

Isn't it hook line and sink? Hookline and sinker. Oh, it is. Okay. Hookline and sinker. I loved those singers that were just, it was like all this emo music that was like so intense. Like this, I feel like when it comes on now, I'm like, geez, it's kind of a little cringy. But like at the time you're like, I mean, it was like,

dashboard, what was it, further seems forever, Thursday, Juliana Theory. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, man. It's far from my wheelhouse,

but I appreciate it. You're like, that's way past our pay grade. Yeah. How do you guys get your inspiration now? So like when I was listening this afternoon, morning, evening, I don't know where we are.

It brings that feeling of like wanting to be like lost in the streets and in love and like that whole you know what i mean yeah yeah and i'm like how do you still make it feel like that i don't mean it like this sounds so bad when you're married how do you keep the same i think we should turn this question back um to you and dig a little deeper into that one right there uh yeah uh yeah totally that's what a great question i i think um music creation comes from like thin air you know it's really like in the atmosphere and just like a total emotional channeling it's and like i think we're just pulled into like a feeling that you have you know so it can kind of be drawn from

from anywhere you know uh it could be drawn from memories or it can be drawn from what you're going through at the moment. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that answers your question, because I don't know where it comes from. I don't think anybody really does. It sort of just is more like in the ether. And then you feel a little bit more like a channel

that it's like coming through, sort of. It just happens. It sort of just happens. You're like, that is my answer. No, but that's the best answer ever because I think that's flow. Right? Exactly.

And so you, there's really no ex, you kind of get out of the way and let it come through. but a lot of times you hear musicians saying, oh, I take it from this or I take it from that or same with actors. It's like they need to feel a certain way to evoke a certain emotion, but I love that you're saying

it's just the pull of that feeling. Because that's what you guys capture so well is it makes you want to feel more of that. Thank you. Yeah. I think, unfortunately, you do then have to use your actual like cerebral brain to then, you know, make form

and structure and lyrics and finish it out. Right. And that part is like by far the hardest for us process-wise. We're always like finishing the lyrics at the last second because that is more you have to kind of put, you really do have to give it like a form that has some kind of like logic and make sense and create a story with it. But the flow state is like the most satisfying part. Yeah.

I mean it's like I think that's why it's so hard to like pursue. or like plan, be like, I'm going to write a song about this. Because I just, that kind of never really worked, at least for us. I feel like it is so much more like, something just starts like happening while you're like playing guitar at the piano and it's, you just kind of like follow it as long as it goes, you know? And then once the flow state's ending and you come back down to earth, then like Taylor's saying, you gotta like piece it all together and make it into like a real song.

But, but yeah, I think also like that emotion you're talking about, that feeling, we've kind of like now that we have a couple albums, we're like, we keep coming back to that feeling. That feels like a theme with a lot of our music for some reason, for better or worse. It just kind of, we keep getting pulled back to that emotion that I think you were describing. I love it. Yeah. When you guys are writing, do you fight? Or does it flow?

Or does it both? Yeah, a lot of both. A lot of both. A lot of both. Like the flow is just flashed through my mind. Yeah. He's like argument. I just see my going like this.

You don't know what. Yeah, there's like 10,000 things I went through my mind right there. But I think kind of again, like the beginning, it's kind of flow and you're just following the energy and chasing something around. And the last like 15% of finishing a song is where it's like egos and fighting with each other

and like this is better. And sometimes I feel like I want you to comment, but I feel like I really try to make logical argument for why what I think is like the best decision in just subjective art making and I'll create this whole argument around it. Taylor's really good at debating. Like, he, I'll go debate on it.

He's like, loves playing devil's advocate. I feel like even if you don't like, or you don't feel something strongly, you just like the debate. You like diving in and like... Captain contrary? A little bit. Ready to jump to that.

A little bit. A little bit. I wouldn't put it that way. That's a good argument. I like to explore ideas. And to me, it's like such a euphemism. What sign are you guys? What sign are you guys?

What sign am I? I'm Aries. Cancer. I'm the day Aries starts. Yeah. Oh, so just passed. Yep. Oh, happy birthday.

Oh, well, thank you. And yours is coming. And it's coming up. Okay. That's right. Do you know how those go together? Yeah, do we? Do we ask?

She passed, but she doesn't even know. I was really expecting to get. some insight. I know how each of those individually are, but I don't know how each one goes together. Okay. But I know a lot about cancer

and I know a lot about Aries. Okay. So there you go. I'm not going to know any of you, any of it. Yeah. But I'm keeping it up here. I know how to read you now. Okay, got you.

I know, yeah, my wife like loves all that stuff and she was excited that our son is like a Libra. I was like, is that, like, Libra baby? I'm like, awesome. What's his birthday? October 9th. Oh. Ryan's fresh.

You're a Libra? Yeah. I like Libra. New baby? I was going to say Ryan's fresh. Six months, just over six months. Yeah. Oh.

I almost said happy birthday instead of congratulating. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. It is a birthday. I mean, it's crazy. Taylor calls it like going through the portal. Yeah.

Yep. And it's idiot. is that thing of like he would say that be like you're about to go through the portal and like yeah yeah i get it i get it but you don't really get it until you go through the portal and i'm like oh my god everything's different yeah and that's kind of like what the song one of the new song we played alpharetta is really about that it's like bleeding and like sorry go for it well i was just going to say like leading up i i was getting so excited second hand for you leading up to um the birth of your son So I was like, can you feel the portal vibrating?

And it's like the closer you get. It's like you have no idea what's going to happen, but you can feel the like hum of it kind of. Yeah. Yeah, that song was, yeah, about that feeling of like, you know your life's going to change in some like insane way, but you can't possibly know. And so that weird kind of like limbo feeling.

You're like in that liminal space. Yeah. My wife's like an author, like a writer as well. So we're both in this like, creative career, but she knew her life was going to change becoming like a mom. It was just, I don't know, it was a pretty crazy time for us. But I'm happy to be on the other side of the portal. It's nice and here.

Welcome. Yeah, welcome. Yeah, welcome. Yeah. Oh, awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You said son.

Yeah. And then you have. I have one son who's four. Look at that. That is so fun. You have two boys and they're going to be best friends. I know. And they're going to be in a band together.

Yes. And they are. And they're going to say we actually are in Ellen. LA band. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like... It is funny because...

Hoosers. Just... It is like an anxiety in a way because we grew up in Orange County and then we're like, Orange County sucks, as we discussed, but then... Well, I never said that, but... Well, no, but like, I... No, it... We kind of always, though, we're like, oh, we got out of...

We got out of there. Like, there was that vibe. I think everyone yet when you're younger, you're like, I gotta get out of this town. But now we're in L.A. And we're like, L.A. And I'm like, oh, no. Like when you were talking about, like, getting raised in L. I was like, what are we going to do now?

You know, it's like, yeah. We are going to do now because we did it. And I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. I don't have to reveal locations. But I feel like we did something outskirty. Yes. Okay. Sorry.

And you didn't know where I was going with Kyle. I got. Like where you decided to live? What did you guys do with your kids? I was like, where are they? Have you? Is there a secret program we should know about? There's another portal.

They just gave each other secret handshake. It's getting weird in here. They wear really weird. Yeah. Oh, no, my. The cult. Oh, it's Olivia's Col. I see.

Okay. So, you know, you become parents and, like, it's such a different, crazy world, and you have all these creative things professionally, and you're juggling all of it. And it's hard.

And that's my point. How are you? It was like how hard it is to be a parent. And then your child is, like, nine or ten? Nine. Yeah. Nine.

Okay. And then what about you? I have a, Five and I always look at her. Five and an eight-year-old. Two boys. Two boys. Okay.

So we're nice and like along a little spectrum. Yeah. And I have a girl. You guys. And you have a girl. Yeah. Okay. I got the only girl.

You did get the only girl. Yeah. It's, it is that portal. I feel like something happens that is experiential that you cannot explain until you've gone through it. But it keeps, the portal keeps expanding the older they get too. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because it keeps changing and I don't know. Like I, even now, I'm like every month, I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. And all of my friends that have older kids are like, just wait. I'm like, what? The funniest thing about like new parent, especially those like right when you're first through the portal. Yeah. And mine would be like, I just can't wait for it to like settle down. And even now, I was like.

Yeah. You know. So you're saying never. You never, like, your feet never touched the ground again. I want to hear about, I want to hear about level two and level three and level four, you know. I will say, and you're still with one, like, they get older and it's so a lot. Wait, let me just say. There's a side that's so much easier, like, you get to sleep and you get to, you know, that part.

But the other side navigating life and, like, other people and friends and whatever is a whole other layer of like, oh, fuck, like, how do I deal with this? And also the questions, they come with so many questions that I'm like, I can't answer this. Also, your math homework, I can't, I have to Google. Every time, I'm like, what the fuck is this? I did hear they changed math. They did. It's Singapore math now. I don't know if it's everywhere, but it's a whole other method.

I lived in Singapore growing up. You might have an edge. Oh, can you come here? Yeah, I would love to. Yeah. Can you come over? Yeah. Yeah.

Of course I remember. Because we just like, they're like, memorize the multiple. I don't know how to get the answer. I just know it by memory and you're like, wait. Flash cards. Probably, yeah. It makes more sense to teach them how to figure it out. This is new information. Okay, wow. I didn't. Okay. Yeah. It's all new. This episode of Broad Ideas is brought to you by Mabelene. For over a century,

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Am I going to die one day? Those are fun. It's heavy. It is. That's the part I think, too, like the next portal is they're part of our consciousness for a certain amount of years, right? It's actually like, I don't know if it's scientifically proven, but I believe it is that we share, they share in our consciousness to like age seven, I think, before they start individualizing because rational thinking doesn't come in until then.

So we're just brainwashing them, right? And then all of a sudden at like age seven, they're starting to form their own identity outside of you. And that's when you're like, oh my God, I have this whole other consciousness I'm working with that is no longer just like, oh, you and your little kid and love and we're teaching them. It's like they're teaching you now. They're their own person. You know what I mean? Like they're coming things and you're like, oh, I have a lot to learn from you now. at least my kids

I've got a lot to learn from my children I love that that's awesome I've also felt that even in these early years I feel like the way a baby and then like child comes into the world is so

amazing and kind of connected to like we were talking about with where does the music come from like they're so connected to that place they're so connected to flow they're so connected to being present you know like they don't know what it's like to not be present it's 24 seven, which is so amazing to see.

I love that. Maybe it is just because we're still in, like, I'm, you know, six months in, still figuring out, like, sleep and everything. Although he's sleeping pretty great right now. Good. My God. Yes. But it is that thing.

And, you know, I'm sure it's a modern problem, but it's like you have to be so present all day long with them. You know, you're constantly being pulled into this present moment. That then it is, like, almost like your version of a pacifier at the end of the day. You put them down and you, you, like, reach for your phone. Right. And it's like all your brain can do, but just to like scroll or like, I don't know because you're like, whoa, I had to be present all day. Like my brain wants to be like not present like so badly.

It's just, it's just bizarre. You know, it makes you realize like how like unprecedented you are for so much of your normal life. You know? It's constant. We always talk about this too. Like in those beginning stages, I found it really lonely. Even when I was with my kid because it's like when you're. with adults, you're distracted, you're taking out of things.

It's like a back and forth. But when the kids aren't speaking yet or talking to you're giving, it's so much time in your head in a way that it can be really lonely in a sense when you're just alone with your kids. Does that sound mean? No. It's true. Why does that mean? Yeah.

It can feel like this is a lot of, this is a lot of work. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It is exhausting in like a whole different way. It's crazy. It is. I've been excited for Ryan to become a parent because, and I hope this is okay to say.

Oh, boy. The most out of any of my friends in my life or anything, it just seemed like it was going to be the funniest. Because he's like, like, Ryan is like the one who cannot get up. He cannot wake up for a lobby call. It's like, lobby calls this. And then we get, you know, we're on our way from the hotel to the bus to the next show or whatever. And he's always like running so late. And if we ever have like a morning thing, he's just.

It takes him forever to get going. I was a night owl for like my whole life. Like I loved making music at like 2 a.m. Like I just, you know. And now I'm like seeing the sunrise every morning. I'm like, what is this? But he's right. It has been a crazy shift.

But you know, the mornings are nice. There is something to it. Yeah. But has it been funny? Hilarious to me. Yeah. Yeah, like so watching the transition through the portal and kind of like him like on this roller coaster like a bumpy ride has been just like really amazing. Glad to entertain.

Yeah, entertaining me but also so beautiful and to like see your best friend go through it. Yeah. And join you on this. It is like the best too. It's helpful. It is helpful. And it's helpful for you to have you who's been through it for four years and like having your best friend. And, you know, because like I, when you got pregnant with Elliot,

Briar was like three months old. And it was just so cool to be like, okay. Experience it together. Yes. Yes. I'm like, all right, this is going to happen. Use the boogie wipes and do the this and get the. Boogie wipes, you guys.

A diffuser and game changer. Boogie wipes. I don't even know about boogie wipes. Oh, you don't even know about boogie wipes. No, what's happening? Your kid has a cold, their nose. They're like, they're like saline wipes for them blowing their nose so they don't get raw, red, chags.

Is this a spark? The sponsor of the pod? No, it should be, though. Yeah. They should be. I'm like, I always have packs of BogieWa. Wow. Is that then what they're called or do you call them that?

No, they're called Bougie Wights. Okay, just thought it was a little bit name. I love that. She got some. Yeah. Do you remember we? So we had our kids so close. How old was she?

Breyer? When I had Elliott? She was going to be one in like a month. Like a month before she turned one, you had Elliott. Does that make sense? So we, that's close, right? 11. I would live in a year, yeah, 11 months apart.

And we would spend so much time together that Elliot would go up to her when she was breastfeeding Breyer and go right. Do you remember that? He would try to breastfeeding. Go for a little sip. Wow. I'd be like, Rachel, just let him. Just let him. Just let him do it.

Wow. So he would get right up to it and then he would like laugh and giggle. Oh my God. But it came like this goes. I was like, just stay still. I remember one time we were like, oh. I know. I was like, did you,

were you ever curious about like, like trying that? Oh. I saw that leap in your mind. I guess obviously you were very curious about tasting it. I tasted it. Of course. Did you taste?

I did. I have. I actually didn't. You didn't? Or is it done? It's done. I missed. I missed.

I did. I missed the boat. What did you think? Amazing. So sweet. Yeah. And delicious. And I've always really.

Should I say this? I don't know. Oh, you're safe. Always safe. Am I in a safe space? I've always really wanted to breastfeed myself. So this is not the same situation at all, but it just reminded me of my own desire. Yeah, you're like, I would like to breastfeed right now.

Yeah. You mean off of someone or have the child breastfeed? Have the child breastfeed off of me. Oh, I know. Like I'm very jealous. I feel for you in that. I feel like, I feel very jealous. Yeah, it's actually really amazing thing.

Where's the camera? I just want to look at me. I was going to give it. like a gym from the office look. You know, I know, it's not super normal. I think it is. My husband felt like that. Really?

I really respect you sharing that and saying that. Because it is such an incredible thing and it's like the most connected. I don't know. So did you let Elliot breastfeed or did you not? I let Jeff her husband. She's like, one not. She's like, I'm not comfortable with that, but that guy over there. He kept standing really close and then like you'd back away.

Why not? It's here. No, I didn't. But it was like, you know, and I, Briar, my daughter, breastfed for breastfed. Yeah. Whoa. For a few years. Like it was just, you know, comfort and whatever.

And I loved it. And it's a great thing. Yeah. And highly recommend for people who can. They have like a little contraption. They do. Well, that's what I'm going to say. After we said that the first time I got all these ads for one that,

You did? The dad can, like, wear and it puts the bottle, like, right here. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I know. I didn't, like, get it, and I feel like I should have. You should have. Yeah.

Are you guys maybe going to do another one? That's a whole thing, you know? That's a whole topic. Yeah. That's a topic. Yeah. I would be super into it. Okay, you're into it.

No, I'm, like, down. You're down. I feel like I would go four. Like, I would go, I would just go nuts. I would just go, like, kind of out of my mind, possibly. Yeah. You know, we start with two. Yeah, be into it.

It's addicting. There's like an addictive quality to it because once you start moving out of those phases, you're like, oh, I miss when they. And then you're like, oh, I could have another one. If I look at photos from a year or two ago, you guys, I'm sure experience this still at every level. I feel pain in my body. It's so weird. I feel so pained that that version is gone. It's gone.

Have you experienced that yet at six months? A little bit. Yeah. All he had those little, like, remember there's like little black and white books of the contrast thing? Like, you know, he's not interested anymore. I'm like, whoa, he's like moving past phases already. And I'm like, and, you know, it is funny. You put him to bed.

And all of a sudden you're just looking at photos, you know, that you took like, you know, a couple weeks ago. And you're like, no, it's so beautiful. What are their names? What are your guys' names? My son's name is Elio. Oh, that's so cute. That's close to Elliot. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, I like it. There was an Elliot in the family. which is one of the ways we kind of like got to Elio. I love Elio. I've never heard that. Yeah. Never heard it. It was Timothy Shalameh's character's name and Call Me By Your Name.

Oh. It was? It was, yeah. Huh. And then there was like an Elias. We had gone on this trip to Greece. And there was this Elias. And we were like, that's cool too.

And then we end up having Elias in our family as well. So like all of those factors kind of led us to Elio. So cool. You have to follow that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so yeah, my son's name is Rocco. Cute. But it's, so my wife's Croatian, her family's from Croatia. And so we wanted a Croatian name.

And so over there, Rocco, R-O-K-O, is a very common name. It's like John, right? It's pretty, yeah, it's like just very, but yeah, Rocco and his middle name is Richard, which is my dad's name. And so, Rocco Richard, hold on. My dad was so psyched. It was really sweet. But you called him Mr. Do you still call him Mr. Hunt?

No, I call him Rick. You call him Rick, okay. Yeah. Because I just had this discussion recently where, like, growing up, you would address parents, like, Mr. Miss, Miss, and, like, that doesn't exist. I mean, my kid, you know, every kid is just like you say the first name. Whoa. Like, if you think about it.

Which I'm down with personally. The first name or being called Mr. I don't feel the need for the formality. Although one of our best friends, I still refer to her dad as Mr. Who? Because it was like locked in. Mr. Griffin. That's what you say to him.

I do. Wow. I do. He must love you. Yeah. That's why I do it because I know he likes it. Yeah. I'm like, I need to be your favorite.

I never grew up. I mean, my, no, my, I, you know what? There weren't that many dads around until I met you guys that went to private school. What does that say? There weren't that many dads around. There weren't that many dads around. Come on, dads. Come on dads.

Step up dads. I am like. I feel like there's a resurgence of like, really accountable great dads. Like I feel like we brought back the like... We brought back the dad movie. We did it. Yes. It might be like one like miniature step

towards going against patriarchy because I think it might be because like women are working, you know? So it's like dividing up some of the labor. But in our in our preschool group or whatever, like you always hear things where you're like, oh, the parents and my kids, it is a good. going to be cool and our preschool group like we're so tight and we all love each other and we all hang out all the time and it's like amazing yeah that's amazing

it's really good and there's a lot of there's a lot of dads at least where where we're at well I was just talking about it with with my wife the other day because like we're going on tour and like you know we used to tour like 10 months out of the year like it was just we're just always gone and now I'm like this will be my first tour being away from Rocco it's like three weeks which for us is a short tour, but I'm like, oh my God, that's a long time. And now I'm like, but we were talking like, I definitely feel like we, because of our job, get to see our sons more than the like, maybe like average dad does.

I mean, like, I definitely spend. Exactly. Yeah. Right. So maybe it like evens out. But either way, I'm like, oh, it's going to be hard. It is hard. It's going to be hard.

It really will be. And FaceTime, I feel like. FaceTime helps. FaceTime is cool, but, you know, it's just not. It's not the same, but at least there's something. Exactly. Because we didn't have those options and it's nice that they do now. We didn't have dads.

We didn't have dads. We didn't have dads. So it was really hard for us. Yeah, that makes sense. But yeah, you guys are going on tour and when does that start? Wait, this is. Do you know when this is going to air, by the way? You guys are actually on tour right now.

Oh, okay. I see, I don't know. Because I wanted to go back to, I forgot to say it when you mentioned it, like filming the O.C. at the Redondo Pier. The tour kicks off at Redondo Beach at Beach Life Festival. No way. Yeah.

Oh, that's fun. Yeah, it's going to be really fun. That's really cool. Yeah. See, so many full circles here today, you guys. That's right. I feel really good about it. And what's the name of the new album?

Okay, so the new album is called But I'll Wait for You. And it's a companion piece to this album we put out last year called Time Will Wait for No One. So together, it's Time Will Wait for No One, but I'll Wait for You. I just got chills on my body. I love it. Yeah, I mean, it's been really cool. It's definitely like something we've never done before where it's this like larger body of work.

It's all like, you know, tied together around this kind of theme, this like basically like mantra of like that phrase. And so yeah, finally coming out. Yeah, it was, you know, in the aftermath of all that isolation and being shut down and then coming back together. And, you know, for us, again, literally since we were what, like, we probably started playing house party shows when we were like 15. Yeah. And then it was all of a sudden it was like, whoa, this is the longest.

We haven't played a concert or been together since we're 15 years old. And just being in that space was so wild. And so I feel like it's related to a lot of what we were talking about and kind of like being present and realizing that time, like, is always moving. Like, you feel day to day, like, okay, cool, I'm still the same me. And my kid might be the same kid. But with them, you do realize you look two months down the road. And you're like, oh, my gosh, they just went through this insane leap. Yeah.

I've been thinking they're this way in my head. And they're totally not. They're shifting so fast. That's happening to us, too. Like, we also are aging, you guys, you know? It's happening. We're aware. Speak for yourself.

Yeah. I, yeah. I see that. Do I see that? The Col leader eyes will never age. But, yeah, but it's like, okay, so then what do you choose to do with that? Like, you have a choice within that. You can't control how the time, like, melds and melts everything around you,

but you control what you do. Right. What was the line I wrote down when you guys were singing? About paying? Yeah. I was like, oh, that's so fucking good. And I wish so many people could hear that. It was like, how much longer are you going to pay more than it costs?

Yeah, yeah. That is such a profound line on so many levels. Oh, cool. Yeah, it meant a lot to me when I heard that. She wrote it down. Yeah, I wrote it down. She said it to me. I love that.

I think that's from a song called Lemon. And we collaborated with Sharon Van Etton. Do you know the artist? Oh, she's amazing. You need to know Sharon Van Etton. for sure. She's incredible. And it's a duet we did with her. But Ryan wrote those lyrics.

And the lyrics of that song overall are some of my favorite lyrics local natives have ever had. I think they're really cool. Yeah, it's really incredible. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that song was pretty important to me just because

I wrote it like pretty early on in my relationship with my now wife. And she, you know, was just working this nine to five but had always dreamed of being an author. And so it was like, I was trying to encourage her to take that leap, but also you can't, you know, there's no guarantees in doing that. So I also was like, you know, I don't want to just be like, yeah, go for it.

Like it's going to totally work out. But it did work out in like an amazing way for her. But yeah, that song, just that time and place in my life and those lyrics, yeah, felt really special. So, yeah, I'm glad that you picked up on it. I will be, when, when something goes in, I then use it. All the time to help people understand things, right? And I feel like that's one I am going to be using in my bank.

Oh, cool. Yeah, because it's whether it's career, whether it's love, whether it's your energy, whatever it is you're putting into, like, why are you putting in more than it costs? Right. Totally. It's a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Rachel. Yeah, no. She looked at me and said it to me because, yes, I did. I could use that. Oh, really? What's happening? Let's get into it. Yes.

You hear it first. We're so excited about the new album and the fact that, I mean, you guys played in my living room. That was so cool. Yeah, that was fun. It was amazing. That's like one of the cooler. Back to the office when they go, you know, to save that moment. Yeah, yeah.

You did them. Sorry. I had to. But yeah, so, so fucking cool. And we're very appreciative that you. You guys did that and we're so excited. And I can't wait to dance in another field while you guys. Yeah, we want to go.

And I will say this before we go. That was the coolest experience in doing this podcast, like just having you two in the living room playing life. I was like, that's the first time that's happened. Yeah, no, we felt very. Oh, really? That's not true. We've never had anyone do that.

That's cool. Yeah. That's so right. I was like, this is really special. Yeah. I felt the same. Yeah. Well, it's cool for us because we actually don't often.

just play the two of us. Like, we'll write together, obviously, but, like, we don't perform just the two of us very often. So, that was kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. And we have it captured on camera. Yeah.

Thanks to his job, right? Thanks, Rob. Rob. Thanks, guys. We have a trivia question for you. Oh. You're, like, walking. Anyway, so Rob's the word.

You guys are awesome. Yeah. That was so fun. That was such a fun. That was such a fun convoy. That was funny. We didn't even use our question. I was waiting for the cards.

I was like, yeah. We can do a couple. What's my trivia question? Oh, boy. We're not, we're not looking like, you're screwed. You're not playing yet.

All my answers. No, Rob, I'm not asking this. Are you jealous of anyone else in your profession or envious? Jealous or envious of anyone else in your profession? These are Rob's, so don't get mad at us. That's something I'm totally comfortable talking about. No, no, no. Mine is.

I got one. He's got one. What are your thoughts on unsolicited dickpicks? Oh, Jesus. Damn it, Rob. Rob, the... From Rob, from Rob, from Rob. I'm happy to answer them.

But it's just such an outrageous question. Not a fan. Rob, I'm like reading these like... Okay, fine. Fuck Mary Kill. Okay. Me, Rachel, and Rob. I'm realizing this was more of an R-rated podcast and he made it very PG the whole time.

I know, like, and babies. Yeah. Yeah, we were like just talking about the magic of being a parent. I just want to breastfeed a child. Yeah. Sorry, my bad. Rob. What's the weirdest thing you've had stuck in your body? Oh, right, right.

Oh, right. Oh, right. Like, you knew that was coming? Yeah, I was told about this one. Of course. Of course. God. Oh, you know a story? Rob's over there nodding.

And I'm like, what do you know? All I can, you can answer a real one, but we have a bit that, like, if you go on tour for, like, 15 years you get a lot of inside jokes and bits so many so many dumb bits so they're super dumb here's one that relates to this it was if looking at a squirrel Ryan was like oh this one yeah okay looking at a little land looking at a squirrel no there's squirrel over it and then like looking away and looking back at Ryan he's like it's in me somehow the squirrel like in that moment Were you all the mushroom? I don't know.

This is just, this is just living. This is just living. This is living. This is living. It's in me. So the weirdest thing you've had stuck inside your body is a squirrel. This was not in me.

A live squirrel. Jeez, that would be so awful. If you have a real answer, go for it. That's what came to my mind. Were we just talking about toasted squirrels somewhere? We were here. It might help if it should, can you guys answer one?

Well, my husband's a doctor and he used to work in the ER. Oh, yeah. So there was people that used to come in intentionally to get the light bulbs removed from their bums because they liked the way it would feel to get them removed. Wow. Yeah. I have heard a lot of stories like that. You have?

Yeah, like from doctors, but more like they were like, uh, something happened. It's like an accident more. No, this wasn't an accident. That I haven't heard. This would be to take out. through my head is like, wouldn't you be worried it was going to shatter? That's the part. I think that's exciting.

That's the part of it. It is. That's why they want it removed by a professional. Yeah, I also feel like that's obvious. I just feel like shattered glass. Don't you want to live on the edge? Oh my God. You know?

It would like, I would imagine that would be like a fun. Feel good? No. I would imagine that's electric. A light burn of shattering. Yeah. One intended. Yeah.

I meant you. The pun. Yeah. Oh, my God. Stop us. Yeah. Stop us. Just stop us.

You want me to read more? Yeah. Okay. If your wife had, oh, Rob. If your wife had a fatal disease that could only be cured with you having sex with one of your friends. One of her friends. No. No.

No. It's one of your friends. Oh, my. Did he change? Did he change it? He changed it. You changed it. It supposed to be one of your friends.

her friends. From the mind of Rob. That's not what it's supposed to do. I feel like I could do that. He's like, yeah, to cure my wife, whatever, right? I would have sex with, like, almost all my friends to cure my wife. Wait, that's true. To cure your right.

But you want to hear a name, like you want to know. Your friends that has to have sex with your wife. Oh, no. That's a different question. I see. Would you let Ryan sleep? Would it be Ryan? To save her life?

Yeah. I guess, yeah, of course. I don't want to look him in the eye while he answers this. So here's a question. Okay. He said yes. He said yes. Of course.

He said, not only said yes, he said, of course. They said, would you let Ryan? I said, of course. Yeah. And again, I would let any of let, let. What is the, the vibe of this question? Real patriarchy right there. Okay, the doctors say this will save her life,

but the husband has to let it happen. That's horrible. Yeah, I think I would let any of my friends save my wife's life. By sleeping with her. Yeah. Of course. Okay. A better question.

Okay. Well, I don't know if it's better. Okay. But we have this thing that I always say, like, if I were to pass, right? Mm-hmm. I would want my husband to be with Rachel because I would want my life preserved and my kids loved that way. Yeah. So would you guys want that?

My husband. I would want Rachel. I would want Rachel cooking for him. I would want like, like people are like, that's insane. I'm like, is it? Like, if something were to happen, would you want one of your friends to like come in? I also don't think that's insane at all. I'm very like.

Taylor's had this lifelong dream for us all to live in a compound together. I'm fucking love a compound. Taylor wants compound life. Really trying to make compound happen. I'm with you. Really trying to make. And one by one, I feel like your friends have been dropping out of like, like compound idea.

It gets harder the older you get and less idealistic, apparently. But I'm still holding up hope that this can happen. But I think that's beautiful. And I don't know if, like, Mara wants to be with you. But like, sure, that would be, you know, fine too. I think that's very sweet. Are you into it? Are you down?

Yeah, of course. Great. Well, there you go. She doesn't have a choice. I don't have a choice. And what does your husband say about it? I mean, he loves, you know, like he knows what's up. Yeah, yeah.

He knows what's up. He knows what's up. Yeah. He knows the deal is. Yeah. He sees Rachel. He sees that this is going to be good for everybody. He makes sure he gets like, like, peep's strogan off and like, she's a great sister wife, you know.

Okay. That's really nice. I love that. I love that. Anything spicy. We're at the airport and I'm like, do we need to bring Jeff back this hot sauce from Austin? Probably.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's really nice. Right? That's so nice. Do you guys do trips together? Yeah.

We do. Vacations. Yeah. We do everything. Yeah. Okay. So you guys. Not everything.

Not everything. We do draw a line somewhere. There's one line. You does kind of sound like everything now. I mean, based on all these questions. Husband sharing seems like that's the final frontier. Only, only in death. Oh, I see.

Only in tech. God, got it. Or in faithful. My mistake, that is a big, yeah. Yeah. That's that part. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. I totally... Rob, do you see, Rob's trying to find them. He wants to ask, like, the most crazy questions. Yeah. This isn't a good one. If you had to adopt one celebrity, who would it be?

You like that one? I don't like that one. Rob, like what I'm saying. I know who you. If I had to adopt a celebrity, maybe the rock. That's a good one. Yeah. Why? Because he'd make you so much money?

No, I don't... My mind just went celebrity and then his face popped in my head. He is the celebrity. But the idea of me adopting the rock is really funny. It's a good movie. Yeah, I don't... He's older than me. Like, it doesn't mean...

Yeah. I know. Yeah, we should adopt a young one. Right. Don't... That sounds so weird. No, we should adopt a young one. I guess so.

We? Who are you adopting? Yeah. Well, I'm thinking, I'm thinking like, one of the... Stranger Things kids. Oh, that's good. You know, I'd get one of them. They all seem like they're doing all right.

They don't need you. They need my tutelage. Still, probably. Yeah. The Rock doesn't need you. How fun would it be? It would be fun. It is a good buddy.

It's a buddy. I just like the rock and like a kid from stranger things and like the compound. Does it be good vacations? Yeah. That would be a good life. That would be a good group vacation for sure. Yeah. I like it.

Rob's looking at us, it's like, I didn't rent it. Great. Oh, we got it. We got it. Wow, that's what you needed. He's like, God, we have nothing for this show. This song is called Alpharetta. It is new, and it's on our album that just came out.

Heavy is this Alpharetta, Georgia. Everyone's a world away as we try. Neither of us know the way. But either way we're going You know we can't run in place Oh Wipe persuading time With an or another

So find out If tomorrow's only yesterday Oh in disguise And the persuasion time Completely asleep. But I don't need it for any of this. Should I sit on the arm? Should I sit on the arm?

Yeah, just sit your tailbone. It's fine. Brunt of it. Um, how about? We've got one more for you all tonight. You ready? Yeah. All right, let's do it.

This song is called ceilings. You're not gonna play there? I just sing. Yep. It's a different version with just the two of us. This song. Get to it. Get to the, you know, get to the gimp-

Get to the gimp- Good stuff. All right. This song is called Ceilings. breathe all this summer in your hands till the summer turns the sand we were staring at our ceiling of what we give a day of sun i'm just that's pretty cool man yeah cool man cool man and you know what blew my mind is how good they sounded, just the two of them and their guitars. And they can do that, I know. Yeah. Yeah, it's normally five guys.

Yeah. And they were like. They pull it off even with two. They really do. They're like, we don't need them. Yeah. Like, we do this. Yeah, really special.

And a great interview. If I do say so myself. That interviewer was really great. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know. Really, really good questions. Yeah. I was, their answers were fine, but just the way that interview was conducted. A plus.

Wow. A plus. Wow. Hey, Rob, we had a time. Rob. We had a time. We had such a time. He's going to get so jealous.

In Oakland. Question for you. Yeah. What's your Taco Bell order? A cheesy gordita crunch. People just come with it. I appreciate that. We have so much respect for that.

With what? Is that I have a Taco Bell order? No, that nobody... There's no resistance. Come with it. You're like, yeah, of course I have one and this is what it is. Yeah. No one has ever asked like, why?

Why? I feel like we should do that. I feel like that should be now our thing. I think that's brilliant. You know? Instead of fuck Mary Kill, what's your Taco Bell order? Yeah. People will just come up.

come with it. That's probably the only fast food place that you could ask me that about too. Interesting. Which I think is fairly universal to everyone. Like if you I don't think. That's our new thing. I think if you went once your McDonald's order, you would not always get an answer like that. I think they

think a little bit. Nobody thinks for Taco Bell. They're like cheesy Gordia Crunch. They just have it on deck. And they want to tell you. So what's your Taco Bell order? Bean and cheese burrito, no onions, extra red sauce. Yes. Do you say it like that every day?

Yeah, bean and cheese burrito, no onions extra red socks. No, the best part is we were like texting someone when we were in San Francisco and we're like, what's you talk about order? And like they say it right away, right? And then they ask like what's you're in Olivia's order? And like we just keep going on in the conversation and Olivia keeps being like, you need to tell them our order. Yeah, she wasn't telling them our order.

I was like, actually, this is very important. Like, they need to know. We're retelling the story to Sarah Olson, right? And she's listening. She's like, but what's your order? Yeah. What is your order? Yeah.

We didn't get yours. Well, because it varies. There's many things. Well, I would love the regular nachos and I would get the hot sauce and I squirted in the cheese. Absolutely. But the I like the mild sauce. The naches Belgronde? I don't like the mild sauce.

What? No. Just a regular nacho. Or naches delgrande? What is it? That's del taco. No. Supreme.

Supreme. Notcho Supreme. It's really good. I love a taco Supreme with no tomatoes and nachos with the hot sauce and the cheese. And I would get a bean and cheese breeder, for sure. I used to do the Mexican pizza. Do you remember when they took them away? And then it came back. I never really got that. I liked it as a kid. Tostatas I liked, too. I liked the Mexican. You know, no, this was my favorite as a kid. Oh, am I going to get the name wrong? Was it a chili? Chilito? Chalupa? No. Chilito?

Was it a chilito? It was like their ground beef with like red sauce and like it's a burrito. Yeah. With ground beef. I'm going to look it up, you guys. This is important. You know what Erica makes now? She makes homemade crunch wrap Supremes.

What? Yes. See, I'd get down with a cruncher off. Me too. She makes them. A chili cheese burrito. No. I've made a homemade cheesy gourgina crunch before.

You have. What exactly is a cheesy gordita crunch? So it's hard shell taco. Yeah. And then there's a soft shell attached to it with cheese in between. Not beans to put it together? Oh, so that's the difference between a crunch wrap supreme is that it's beans that put it together? I thought it was beans that put it together.

But maybe I'm wrong. That's the crunch rep supreme. Okay. You guys, the chili cheese burrito initially introduced as the chilido. It's a normal sized burrito filled with cheddar cheese and a special hot chili sauce. containing beef. Can I see? Is there a picture? I loved that in elementary school. Can you still get it? Um, no, only we're in elementary school. You can get it. You're too old for this. You can't get it. You guys, am I going to, oh, that sounds like a bad idea, but it's... You're gonna postmate's

it right now? Yeah. Is Taco Bell different though? Has it changed? Like, I feel like the beans are different. Like, they're more beanie. Wait, is what different? Talk about. Has it changed? I think so. It's a little different, right? Because you go back in it. In a good way or a bad way? Not in a good way. The beans are more like beans. They're more beanie. Which is probably a good thing. Not refriety mean and they're more whole.

There's more like whole. There's like more like, you know, the skin around the bean? Yeah. There's more of the skin around the bean. I mean, it's probably that the food standards have gone up and they've had to. I think. I like fake food. I think not. I think the food standards have actually gone down because like for instance, with McDonald's, it used to be cooked in animal fat, right? So the french fries, they tasted the way they were. Now they cook it in a bunch of chemicals that are cheaper to replicate animal fat.

What? Yeah, it's not cooked in the same oil. So it's cooked in whatever it is. Synthetic flavored oil. That used to make taste like, yeah. She used to work at McDonald's, so she knows. She has an awful lot of knowledge about McDonald's. amount of knowledge about their cries.

Jeff calls me an ultra-crestopatarian. Do you know what that is? Yes, we've talked about this. Okay. Does Rob remember, though? No. Okay, tell them. Explain.

It's someone who acts like an expert on a bunch of shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. McDonald's fries are my favorite, though. You can't fuck with them. You can't, but they did fuck with them. You know what the taste and it's not good for you? What?

No, there's nothing. Chains' version of McDonald's fries. I don't think I had that. I cannot speak to it. We had their jack in the box fries. No. They had the taco. And curly fries.

Oh, I don't remember the fries. Yeah. I remember the taco though. That was good. They were a little extra crunchy. You liked extra crunchy? Well, I like a mix. You so like a little and crunchy.

I like a crunch wrap supreme. That's how I like my humans, too. That's my brother's nickname. That's how it started. Like, have I told this before? Mm-hmm. Oh. Crunch wrap Supreme.

and then we all became crunch and then when you're a little cranky you're crunchy you're crunchy you're always so much I am a supreme crunch cruncher out supreme what like clients use that now crunchy and yeah you're going to tell my brother I will he will love that's a that's not

I hate to break this to you guys Crunchy is a way to describe someone outside of your world I understand but I presented to it So someone that's not in our inner circle like that's just like a general thing that they're called a crunchy. Yeah, crunchy is a way that people describe.

Yeah, but they're not like I was feeling super extra crunch rap supreme today. No, no. Like, oh, you're a little cruncher at supreme. You guys have taken that, but I just, well, you know, you didn't coin. No, I know, but now they say it. You guys, my brother, so he comes up with shit like that when I was a kid. Let me tell you, he told me it was called seven cherry nup for cherry seven up. and he had it going for so long and I was a young kid why do you think I am the way I am I know

seven seven cherry nup and I was like seven cherry nup I like doesn't make any sense but I was so young that I was like going around I was like can I have a seven cherry nup you know who would appreciate the fuck out of your brother who rob this rob yeah you know why if you ever him? We did family feud together. Oh my God, my brain is fried. And we bold together? And what?

He's experienced my brother. But have you experienced how hard he delivers on Rachel? Like, no. He doesn't. He hasn't been at like a family gathering. He does not pull any punches. Like, I think you would love to see her get. Annihilated by her brother.

Yeah. He would. That would be. He would bring him joy. Yeah. Yeah. That would be Cren trap Supreme. Yeah.

Well, it would be the opposite. No, Supreme. I just wanted to use a callback to Supreme. Okay. Okay, thanks. You're welcome. You can have it. Have you flown to San Francisco?

Yeah. Do you go into San Francisco or Oakland? Usually San Francisco. We've taken the train to Oakland. Did not know that was an option. So we had bought round trip tickets. This was like right. when COVID was easing up.

We had got like a whole room on the train. That's fun. How long is it? It's a long time. So we had round, it's like 13, it's a whole day. Wait, hmm? Yeah, to train. Get there?

Yeah. To get there, it takes like 12 hours? Yeah. So, and we had. Does you stop a lot? Yeah, you stop like Santa Barbara. There's a stop. And it takes a while.

It just takes a while. I mean, you're going up. And you're going up the coast. I thought he meant from Oakland to San Francisco. I was like, that's a bunk ride, dude. No, but we were supposed to take the train back to L.A. And we were just like, we're not. We rented a car and we're like, fuck this.

And it's not that much cheaper than flying. Really? Yeah. Was it fun at all? It was fun and novel. But it took forever. It was long. And it was also like, you were anxious because of COVID still.

Oh, you didn't leave your cabin? We did to eat, but then there was other people eating in there too. It was not the time to be stuck on a train. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. It sounds great. It was cool once and just go there and then fly back. Okay.

Okay. You flew out of San Francisco, though? No, we drove. We drove back. Oh, you drove back. Right. Right. I always knew you fly in and out of Oakland.

Like, it's like a thing. You've heard that before, right? like don't fly in and out of San Francisco. No, but that's like Burbank in L.A.X. basically? Yeah. Yeah. What were you guys doing in Oakland? Well, we weren't.

Oh, well, yeah. We flew into Oakland, but we had to get to San Francisco. So we did. And we were with Sarah Olson and Teresa Palmer of the Mother Days podcast. Friends of the podcast? Friends of the podcast, yeah. Yes, of course. And so we were meeting up with them to do a live event.

but it was more like a workshop, right? Yeah. It was very like intimate. It was at Frida Salvador. It was absolutely beautiful, really sweet, all women, and an amazing man named Ross. And big shout out to Ross. Big shout out to Ross. Yeah.

He was so cool. He came because he listens to broad ideas. And he was like, guys, I love what you're doing. he had a great time at the event he was like this was awesome the only thing i want is more and we were like yes yes and then we had a guy another guy the second event which was like oh he was incredible like hundreds of women tom and tom shared and was so beautiful and like comfortable and he was like i learned so much from the woman's point of view and just a shout out to all our male listeners we feel you. I felt that. I felt that. Calvin's been having, so he's got a good friend that lives

a couple doors down from us, and they've been writing letters back and forth to each other. Wait, who has? Like pen pals, Calvin. And who? And his friend. At some point, Vincent was over there, because our families are familiar, and Vincent climbed up their front stairs and knocked over this squirrel figurine that they had and broke it. Yeah. And they're dad got very mad. Oh, no. About it. And... Like, to you guys? No, to the family internally. And then told Calvin about it. Got it. Then Calvin, he's been, like, afraid to go bring letters because he's like, his dad hates me. And he hates Vincent. And... Can you buy him a new one? I ended up buying him two new squirrels. But it was this, like, full... Was it the same squirrel?

No, they were probably nicer squirrels than he had. I wanted to get like... Did it have sentimental value in this squirrel? Natalie's friends with the wife. And she's like, it was like a $20 squirrel from a flea market. Kids interpret things weird too. It's like, someone will be like, oh, yeah, Elliot said his dad was like super upset about this. And it's like, all he said was, come on, man.

Yeah. And they're like, oh, he's Matt, like, for sure. I'm the same as a kid. If someone, I'm like, oh my God, they hate me. We were both like, this is ridiculous to be mad at this little kid. And immediately Natalie is like, we can replace this. And the mom was like, no, you don't need to. Like, this was not a big deal.

Like, Vincent's, a two-year-old, he didn't have an accident, clearly. It wasn't an accident. He targeted that. Was it you? I wasn't even there. Well, I feel bad. the squirrel thing. Well, now it's replaced, and he told me, he's like, now I feel okay going over there. Oh, poor guy. He's a sensitive little guy. He is... Where does he get that from?

Yeah. I don't know, but after school yesterday, he was writing poems. Oh. Cal. And he wrote, so this was his poem that he wrote, Hollow and Family by Calvin. Hollow? Yeah. I'm just like a hollow inside because of this family. Family never hurts. The dust fading. Away never comes. What the? But the true love is still there.

But if you look, the memories never end. Over the mountains are big and small. You don't live forever, but take care of animals and family. So don't cry, don't fall. So give, don't steal. Hollow and family glowing stars.

That is absolutely incredible. Is that written on a piece of paper? Yeah, yeah, it's written. You need to frame that. Yeah. Incredible. I was like, do you, did you read this somewhere? What do you, where did this come from?

And he was like, no, I was just. In his little mind. That's channeled. Yeah. I'm not even kidding. And I, I was like, do you know what hollow means? And he's like, yeah, empty inside. Oh my God.

What is happening? Yeah. He's really, that squirrel really fucked him up. Yeah. That is some deep deep. Oh, you have to frame it. Yeah. I'm like, you have to sell it.

This is just like a song. To publish it. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah, I don't know where that came from. I think I'm not, when I say it's channeled, I'm not joking. Like, I do believe when things come through like that, that's channeling. That's like flow state.

Yeah, 100%. And on that note, we're done. Rachel's done. I cannot answer. That was a hate gum podcast.