Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - London Thor on Gen V, Not Wanting to be a “Woo-Girl”, and Boundaries

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Actor and musician London Thor [Gen V] talks with Rachel and Olivia about music, babysitting for Olivia’s kid, and having to convince her parents to let her pursue acting. They also discuss Gen V, boundaries, and London being jealous of her partner’s ex that passed away.Broad Ideas is supported by OneSkin. Get started today with 15% off using code IDEAS at oneskin.co.Broad Ideas is supported by Firstleaf. Go to TryFirstleaf.com/IDEAS to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX hand-curated bottles for just $44.95.Broad Ideas is supported by Sundays for Dogs. Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to sundaysfordogs.com/IDEAS or use code IDEAS at checkout.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello. Hello. Hi. Hey. Hey. Hey. Guys, we have a very special person. London Thor, hello.

He's with us today. Yay. Olivia has known her since she was a little girl. Little taught. Right? Yeah. She's a singer, songwriter. She's an actress.

She's also on that show, Jen V. The Boys, off. Right? Yep. Well, before we get London on in here, everybody, don't forget to check us out on YouTube. Come on, Rob. Rob. Once you watch the post so you understand while I'm wearing

Rachel's sweater right now. Yes, and stick around for the post with three of us. All right, let's have London. Sometimes when inside of we start to swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride We'll talk about dogs and kids and things

We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings We'll talk about boys Because people die London, you are so fucking cute and precious and I just want to put you in my pocket forever and ever. Yeah, obviously Olivia and you guys are very close and have known each other for a very long time. So why don't you let everyone know how that came to be? That came to be because I've known you since you were a little girl. Like I remember when you and Ace would walk into the theater.

So London's parents were my acting teachers. her mom is still my acting teacher and acting coach. And I remember when I first saw you and your brother walk into the theater, I was like, what are they? They were like these little unicorns. They were the cutest things I'd ever seen. I'm not even kidding. You were little. Tiny. Because that, I think I started studying with them like 20 years ago. So you were probably like five or six years ago. I either six or seven. We don't. I don't know. Either six or seven because we forgot how old you are.

Oh my goodness. Yeah. So you were younger than Elliot is now. Yeah. So I've known London that long. And then we've also had the pleasure of being in class together and studying and working with your incredible mother, Alice Carter. And then it came to be that even London was babysitting for my kids. Aww.

Why does that make me ask me want to cry? Because I was thinking about it the other day when I was walking the dogs. I was like, yeah, I can't. Elliot's, yeah. It makes me cry. You are crying. But that's what we do here. We hate to cry.

As soon as you brought up that I was younger than Elliot, I was like, right. We're going to start crying. Let's go. We do. But why it is also so tender is because when London started babysitting for us, it was, I reached out when we were in the hospital with Shepard. Shepard. And we didn't know. I can't.

It was so hard. It was so hard. It was so hard. It was really hard. And she came in there and was like, like, she would just look at me and be like, I got Liet. And like she came in. buddy. Yeah.

Oh my God. I love him so much. I love him so much. He's my buddy. Yeah. And she just took him. That was such a weird, like, yeah, bubble of time that didn't feel real. No.

It was so, it was twilight zone. Tramatic. But, like, your presence in my home and with my kid and just being like, okay, he's taken care of. Like, she would bring him to the house with Ace and her brother and mom. And, like, everyone would just like, everyone would just like, Like love up on a little... Elliot burrito.

We'd wrap him in a little burrito. And he used to carry around the house and build pillow forts. And I know I was thinking about the, um, the zoo trip that we took and the beach trip that when I took him to Topanga Beach. Yeah. Was the best trip. He still talks about it. That was the best trip.

Oh my God. Was it the two of you? Yeah. I took him down to the beach because he wanted to go to the beach. And he, he was in his like toddler, his pushing boundaries stage. Yeah. hard. Still in it.

Still in it. Like hard. I remember sitting there and I was setting everything up and he's standing there looking at the beach and I was like, okay, so here's what we're going to do. You're not going to walk away. We're going to stay together. He's looking at the beach and he just starts to walk away. I was like, all right.

So here's why you're not going to walk away. I explained why he shouldn't walk away. Starts to walk away. And I sat there. I was like, I'm going to see how far he goes. See how far he's going to go. He did not stop. I had to get up and go get him.

I was like, I can see. still see him. So I'm going to see how far he's going to go and push this. I was like, I'm going to go get him because he's never coming back. Walking to the ocean. Oh my God. He still does that. I love it. He loves this. We found this. We found a sea slug. Remember, we found the big sea slug and the beach. The sea slug? The sea slug and that day. That specific day is like what made the beach mean something to him. Oh my God. I love it. Oh, God. He's the best. He's the best. It was cute last night. I was trying to find a show for Shepard. And it was like, you know, how they do, like, the recently watched or whatever.

And it was Gen V. And you were on the cover. And I was like, Shepard, who's that? And he went, my friend? And I was like, that's your friend. He is a trip. He is so adorable. It's a trip.

God. So London, you know, I hate. to say the word making it because I don't like that term very much. Like, I think it's, it sucks for everyone who's not on a show or, you know, there's people making it in so many different ways that might not have that level of success yet. But I'm going to use it for this because London making it and getting a television show is like, there's very few people in this world that I'm like, if it could happen for anyone, please let it be this person. Thanks.

That's the truth. Thank you. Yeah. It's so cool, though. But you grew up, so your parents were acting teachers. You grew up around it. Did you always know you wanted to do it? Yes.

And no. Yes, I grew up in the studio. Like, I was there every day. Every show that went on, I would sit up. Our old theater had this balcony area, and I'd sit up there and just watch through the, little thingies. And I loved it. I loved it so much. But I think, I mean, the immediate thing was like, I want to be like an animal. It was a crocodile hunter. I want to be a crocodile. I want to be

Steve Irwin. And then I did want to act. And my parents were like, no, we're going to do other stuff. We're going to do everything other than acting. It took a long time to convince them. It took a really long time. But then they gave them. They had me meet with a very big. very famous casting director that was a friend of theirs who was notoriously intense, I guess you would say. She was a lot. She is a lot. Fantastic. Amazing cast. Like legendary, but just straightforward. And they had me meet with her when I was like 12. And they're like, just talk to her. And, you know, I thought it was, I didn't know what it was. They put me in a room with her. I hadn't, we weren't friends. I didn't know her. I knew of her. And she basically interrogated me about acting for an hour. interrogated you?

Yeah. Like, why do you want to do this? Why do you want to do this? 12. I'm like, well, listen. And I told her what I wanted and we talked and that she gave the all clear of like, she's fine. You can, you can, she'll be okay.

Oh, wow. Well, you're a really gifted actor. Thank you. It's true. She's really fucking talented. It always has been, like, there's never been a doubt. I've always been like that's going to happen, you know. And she also has the voice of an.

Angel. I know. She always talks about your singing boys. Sorry. I know it's a lot of compliments, but it's a lot. It's a lot. We're going to like pull your hair too. No, yeah. This is good. This is good practice. I'm working on going, thank you, and then not being like, ugh. It's so hard to do. It's so hard. Yeah. It's so hard to accept compliments. Thank you. Yeah. It's, it's been a wild time. But I did want to, once I decided I wanted to act, I was, that's what I want to do. Like, I've a big revelation with music lately of like, I love to sing. I love singing. Listening to Katie talk, that was when I, like, listening to Katie Stevens interview with you guys, I was like, okay, this is ringing so true to me of like, yeah, I wanted to split my attention 50-50.

I thought that'd be okay. And it is okay at a certain point. I'm fully in the thought process now. Like, I can do whatever I think I can do, I can do. I should have to do it. But I don't love singing the way I like acting. What's the difference for you? The industry is a big difference. I don't love the music industry. I don't find it interesting. I don't find it very exciting. I love to perform music. I love to write music. I love recording. I just don't get the same feeling that I do when I'm on set. Do you think it's because it's not as collaborative? Do you enjoy that kind of? No, because I don't particularly like other people. I get it. Speak on that, Richard. We don't get it. That's no, I, because if anything, it's more collaborative and

less inclusive. I feel like, I feel like acting is more universal in a weird way. Because I know music is supposed to be more, it is, you know, it's a universal language. But I don't know. Maybe I haven't worked with the right people in music. I just don't feel ever like it's a community at all. I don't feel like, I feel like it's just hounding. Right. Especially working with some DJs and stuff. It's just, it's not very, they have, it can mean one thing to them and one thing to me. And it's really hard to find middle ground on that. It's kind of like when you're watching a movie and you interpret it in a different way, but the product's done. Right. This is happening when the products is being made. Right. And you're both on like, yeah. And then it's never really a collaboration.

Well, for me. Until you act and maybe your character sings. See, that's what I want. Like, I want to do Broadway. I want to do stuff that's the marriage of both worlds. Like, I want to do that. Yeah. And then I'll sing too.

I like singing. But it's not my passion. I'm like, can you sing? I like, she can. She. I will fucking embarrass her right now. She literally has the voice of an angel. Let me see.

We got to do singing lessons. Oh my God, are you in on the singing lesson thing? Dude, do you know that Jeff's bought him for me every year? That's what his present to her every birthday. I can't sing. I can't sing. Yes, you can. What's your favorite song that you've made?

What's the one that I used to like, I want to see you're on a swing? Oh, promise from when I was like 15? Fifteen. Let's just do that because it's not as embarrassing because you were only 15. Okay? We're just going to give you a little taste. I'm 26, I just remembered. Let's see.

Oh. Is that not it? I don't know what this is. Is this the live version of it? It's fine. It's fine. It's a video, no? Yeah, it's not.

live. Oh my God. No. Just crying. Oh my God. I'll make it stop. I'll make it stop. I can't make it stop. So I would always listen every time. Incredible.

No matter what. You cry when you hear London. It's like a thing. It's like a... Yeah. You have that. It was a thing for a while. That was like the crying thing.

Well, because mom was so supportive of it. And my mom's always been supportive of everything I've done. But music, she really helped me a lot with because it wasn't in her wheelhouse. Acting was in her wheelhouse. And she didn't want to intrude in that as much as she felt like she could help with music. Like acting, I always feel like she was very helpful, but not in the way that she was with music. I wonder what that is. Yeah.

I think it's just knowing that it's a harder, it's not as clear of a path. Like acting is so, you know. I think it's clear? No, no, no, music is a clear path. Oh, I thought in the acting, I was like, it is? I know, I'm like, I don't know about it. It's so easy. But there's like a, you know, music she didn't know as much about, so she could be like, okay, what can I do? Okay, I can do this. I can do this. I can help her find a recording space and I can help her find an engineer and all this stuff.

And she pushed me to write my music, which I did not want to do. And now I'm so happy that I do it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Does she coach you, like, still acting-wise? Do you go to her? Yeah. Still in class twice a week. Oh, you're in class twice a week. Yeah. Oh, my God. And then she was there. Yeah. And what's that like? She coached me on every, not every episode of the show, but on the hard episodes and the stuff that I had questions about. She was always there. And yeah, she's great. I mean, she's. I love hearing any successful. actor who still exercises all of it because I think it's important. And obviously everyone's different and things work differently for people. But I think that's really, I mean, you have the resource. Like, it's your mother. It's silly to not use it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a muscle. You have to,

you have to exercise it, I feel like. Yeah. And so the show that you're on, let's talk about it. I know I want to hear what you thought about it. Oh my God. Well, first of all, the first, like, opening scene. I'm like texting and I'm like dude. It's really gory. Yeah. It's really intense. Yeah. It's really something that once my children are old enough

would be obsessed. Yeah. Jeff too. Once he's old enough? Once he's there. Oh my God. What? We have to tell that story. Remember? What? Poor fucking London. Oh gosh.

What? Lordy. Your son. Elliot? You're a child. She called me one day and she was like, Olivia, we need to talk. And I was like, what is going on? And she's like, I just want to be the one to tell you this because I don't want him talking about this at school. If it's not like a thing, like, we just need to have a conversation.

I'm like, what, what? Elliot decided to tell London that Jeff hits him. Oh, I remember this. Jeff has never hit. He's never touched him. No. Never. Never in a million years. But we had to have that conversation and poor London had to like tell me. Oh my God. I wrestled it for a while. You handled it well. You handled it perfectly.

Well, because I didn't want you to think like that I was, I thought that was a thing. But how responsible of you go? It was really a adult. It was really a adult. There's this thing that we need to have a conversation about. You're so mature. In your age. Thanks. Incredibly. Yeah, the last thing I want is Elliot to go to. And it turned out to be something that made a lot of sense. Elliot's little brain of like what at the time when the age that he was at with pushing boundaries and stuff that he was pushing boundaries. He's seeing what would happen. Oh my God. What's she going to do? Pushing boundaries. Let's go back to your show. Yes. The blood. The blood, the gore.

The penis. The penis. Why is there so much penis? That's a great question. I ask you that every day. I haven't watched it yet. And I haven't seen the boys. I haven't. I haven't seen the boys. I have. I haven't. I have a hard time watching things that are like really intense. Yeah. Especially like, because I'm always by myself. It's not watching. It's scary, though. No, but like, gory.

I don't do well with like. I always practice it for people who haven't seen the boys. It's like, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's gore and like, right? Gore is the thing that I have the hardest time with. So it's harder for me to.

Oh, yeah. Just put it on, especially if I'm alone. Yeah. It's super gore. Yeah. It's for people that like really love that. Yeah. Yeah.

However, you do an incredible job. I think that the whole show is amazing. I think they did a brilliant job of casting it. Everyone in it is so good. I love your character. It happens to be my favorite, not just because it's you, but I like the character and how it's played by two people. Yeah.

Can you talk to us about that? Because that I've never seen done. Has that been done? I don't think so. We've talked about it a little bit, Derek and I, yeah, it's been wild. I mean, I've talked to you a little bit about it when I got back from Canada, all of my anxiety about it. Because it's a big thing. I mean, it's never been done as far as I know in that scale.

But I got so lucky. I mean, Derek is such a good person. And we are not alike in a lot of ways, but alike in a lot of ways in that, in that weird kind of. a, I guess, brother-sisterly? Yeah. But yeah, we just got so lucky because that whole thing was a whirlwind getting there. And then he was not the first person I met. So there was that.

I thought, okay, for sure, I'll meet. The first person I'll see is this person that I'm sharing this role with. Right. And it wasn't. Oh, well. When I did meet him, it was so, he was just so calming. Aw. And we got to work on this together and we, like, built a character background and talked about it.

And now we're like, I love him. I saw him last night. Like, he's just the best. So it was interesting. It was a very technical role. Right. Very technical with the movement. And then the screen having to fly in every time we had to do the switch from Derek to myself,

for myself to Derek, we'd have to stand perfectly still and they'd fly in a screen, a little blue screen. And it took a long time. Right. Just standing in the same special affection. And God bless jazz for. hanging in there with us because she was always on the other end of the switch. Oh.

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That's what I was thinking. I was like, this is such a technical role. Yeah. So how did you guys find, like, what does it mean to you that you guys are the same person? What do you mean? So what does that mean? Like, what is the premise of that character? Like, because when I watch it, I come up with my own ideas of, like, what that switch is really about.

And, like, metaphorically, what that switch is. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you mean, like, what does the character represent? Yeah. Like, why'd they make it two people? Yeah.

That's a good point. So I think, I mean, the one thing I will say. say about that is that this character was so thought through, so combed over, so picked through to make sure it was so precise by the showrunners and the writers and everybody in the room because it's a interesting character. It's odd. Different. Yeah. And I talked to this amazing, one of the writing consultants on the show, and they said that Jordan's character, is more so a reflection on basic gender norms in society. So it's holding a mirror to be like, this is how, if this bothers you, this is what you

should be looking at, essentially. So in terms of gender roles, not in terms of the bygender aspect of the character, but in terms of the, you know, Jordan's usually portrayed as when they're stronger, they're in their feminine form and when they're more sensitive or insecure, they're in their masculine. form and how does that make you feel? So it's a big thing on gender roles. Yeah, which was really fun. And so current. And it worked really well. Yeah, it works. Because Derek is such a big heart. He's just like a walking heart. And I am so soulless and not. I want to get into that. But I'm, you know, I'm practical. I don't, I'm not super emotional contrary to the beginning of this episode. Um,

But it worked and it was real. It was very easy to, we got to show how gender looks in society. You know, Jordan struggled a lot with switching when they want to be, when they want to feel strong and heard, they switched their male side, which was a conversation. And then when they want to kind of disappear, it switches to the female side. Huh. Which was interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. It's fascinating. And jazz's character's there to kind of call it out. Jazz's characters there. like, no, you don't have to change every time you want to make a point or every time you want to miss me. It doesn't need to be this switch. Oh, so do you both kiss, like, do you both have a romantic relationship with her? That's awesome. I love that. Yeah. Because it does. It's, it's also true. But like, yes, it starts, started, this started out emotional. And with us, London is warm and fuzzy because we have history and love and all of that. But she, you do, have, you're someone that I've always noticed is really good with boundaries. Yes.

That's huge. You know, that's also like seeing how mature you are and the confident, like, how you hold yourself. I mean, that speaks to boundaries, I think, completely. Yeah. Yeah. And never something I've had to think about. That's amazing. When's your birthday?

Where does that come from? My mom, probably. Just the way. Honestly, I was raised so, everything was out in the open for me to see. There was not a lot of like, I mean, we grew up in a studio full of actors, so I got to see, I mean, they're insane, yeah. So it was a lot of adult material being handed to me as a child and like, you have to see these emotions and see what's happening. We lost friends when we were, like, my family, my parents would lose friends to alcoholism or, you know, stuff that was not talked about normally. But everything was open.

They didn't try to make it like, oh, he passed away. We don't know why. It was very clear. He had cirrhosa's the liver. He died. He drank too much. Very out in the open. So fascinating. I know. I know a lot of people that do parent that way. And I have a harder time with, you know, I think I, I don't know if you want to say a bubble or whatever. But just to be, yeah. I mean, yeah. But to be the parents that are like, and like Brandy's like that. And I always talk about that. And I'm like, that's amazing. Like I wish I could do that more or meet somewhere in the middle at least, you know. Yeah. Find that. Yeah. It is inspiring. because I think in a lot of ways we try to be like that, it's hard sometimes. Like we just lost one of our best friends to suicide. And Elliot knew he died.

And we're like, what do you tell a kid? And so... Don't tell me Jeff told him the truth. Jeff told him a version of the truth. I was going to say, because Jeff is very like that. He said he was mentally young. Oh, and he died. Yeah.

Okay. I know. It's so hard. It's the truth. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I can't imagine as a parent trying to navigate that. Yeah, like, because you want to be honest, but it's a... Yeah, but that's one of the things I noticed since you were a little girl.

I'm like, you guys were around. They didn't try to earmuff you or close your eyes to reality. And there's something about that that I feel is you get a lot of strength from as a person, where it's not like one day you become an adult and it's, oh, my God, I have to feel and process all this shit that nobody told me about, it's like you weren't over exposed to things that were inappropriate for you, but you had a healthy dose of reality as a young. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, things like suicide and stuff, I remember my first conversation about something like that with my dad.

Yeah. We had a teacher's assistant named Tiffany when I was in third grade who I loved. Third grade, that's my daughter. I loved her. And she came in one year, taught a couple classes. and hung out with us. She was great. I was really good friends

with my science teacher. Like, I would go eat in her room. I was not cool. I'd take my lunch and I go sit in my Mrs. Leggetty's room and I'd go have my lunch. And she was in the... She was with my dad. They would go to meetings

and Tiffany would also go to meetings at the time. And I remember my dad talking about Tiffany passed away. And I was like, I don't understand what that means. means. Or why. I knew what it meant, but what happened. And I had so many, I remember just having so many questions about it. Wow. And he told me everything. And it's been so fascinating to me. He told you everything in third grade. From what I remember, it was, it was, I mean, he told me everything he knew. So we didn't know what happened. We didn't know why. We knew that she had been let go

of a job or she quit a job and wrote in her note that it was the happiest she felt ever right before she did it. And I remember being just, I remember being able to ask these questions of, I don't understand why she'd be happy. And being like, well, she was at, that happens a lot with stuff like that. She felt like she was at peace with the decision. And we heard that. Yeah. You know, that's, I know. So crazy. It's horrifying. But it's, it's horrendous. It's horrendous. But she also grew up with two people who, their entire purpose in life, was to extract what's human in every circumstance. So there was no, like, getting around that.

Right. No. In your home. Like, what are you going to – you know what you mean? Like, they would have to hide who they were as humans. Yeah, which is not going to happen. They're not good at it. It's not even if they wanted to.

My mom is the worst liar. Yeah. She's an atrocious liar, like, just awful. I remember we tried to plan a surprise party for my dad. dad and he called. We were out getting party supplies. And I just remember how as a kid and he's like, hey, where are you guys? And she goes, out and then hung up the phone. Like, all right, so he knows now. But yeah, no, it's, I grew up with just, everything was open in a way that felt safe. It wasn't open in a way where I was overwhelmed with, oh my gosh, these are so many adult situations coming in a way and I don't

know what to do. And then they talk. I just talked about everything. So you have a brother? Yes. Younger or older? Older. Three years older. How is he with life?

It's fantastic. But is he like you? Like boundaries to cure the openness? Yes. My brother, annoyingly, is much more emotionally evolved than I am. Wow. He's so cute. In a different way.

We just recently got into a screaming match about this. He's fantastic. He's sober. Been sober his whole life. Never had a drink. What? He never even tried it. Nope.

He's just sober by nature. Wow. Never happened. Are your parents sober? Because you said meetings. My parents are sober. My dad is sober. My mom is not in the program, but she doesn't.

She just doesn't drink. Like your brother. Just not. Yeah. She had when she was younger. Yeah. But she wasn't for her. Not interested in it.

Yeah, Ace never. He just didn't want to do it. That's such a gift. I remember my dad would like try to get him to try stuff. Why? Oh my gosh. Yeah, I never, never wanted to. I'd honestly be worried about him if he did now. Yeah. His personality is wild as it is. I can't imagine. But he is so emotionally evolved in a very annoying way that it makes it really hard to fight with him because he's, yeah, he's just very good at having a conversation. Right. Well, he's good at navigating a fight. I don't like conflict and I don't, I get, I cry. So he's there standing like, why do you feel this way and let me explain to you why I feel this way?

And I feel, and I'm like, I don't care. Right. Go away. Make it stop. Wow. Yeah. He's wonderful. He's very evolved.

Yeah. And your best friends with his wife. Yes. Oh, really? I'm best friends with my sister-in-law. That's so cute. I love her. Isn't that cool?

Are you best friends because they got married and then you knew her or did you know it before? No, I just, I knew her after they met. So I tried to always be very friendly with his girlfriends. Some. I did. I really made an effort, too, because I knew if I didn't, he would date them longer if I didn't like them. And so I was really trying with everyone. And I really, really tried with the one before Val, and she was very sweet girl.

And then he met Valerie, and I was like, I'm so sick of trying to be nice with these people. And I didn't have to. I didn't have to. There was not a moment of trying to be nice. She's just your person. She's just my person. Yeah, I love her. And I, yeah, she's wonderful. That's so great. She's annoying, but she's wonderful. What? She's annoying, but she's wonderful. We're all annoying. Yeah, everyone's annoying. She's sister annoying. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I love.

Yeah. That's the closest kind of relationship. Like this one. Sister. She's always annoyed it. She's like, I don't know what to do with this person. I don't annoy you. No, never. You actually don't. So are we not that, are we not sister close? I don't think we can get any closer. I mean, what in the world would we do?

We live in each other's brains. We're more like, we're more like, sister wives. We're more like sister wives. We're more like golden girls' clothes. That made me think of Jeff's roll. She did. I sat with her while she made a cheesecake today. I love that.

Yeah. That's how we roll. It makes me happy. That's how we roll. I can't. But the thing too, like going back to the boundaries, I thought it was interesting when I saw your role because I was like, oh, that's such a perfect role for you. Because you're not a people pleaser. Like I feel like the people that you're close with or the people you give yourself to is more selective.

And then when you give yourself over, it's very genuine. And you're like, this is, you know the thing. you are cared for. It's like Jeff. It's like Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. It's exclusive. It's exclusive. It's exclusive. Yeah. But like you don't have that people-pleasy thing. You're not like. Yeah, I try not to. I mentioned it to you a little bit ago. It's, or a while ago, it's, it's been coming and going in waves lately, the people-pleasing thing. Because I've never, that's not true. When I was a kid, well, Yeah, when I was a kid, I remember asking my mom if I was annoying. I was like, am I annoying?

Am I, like, because I had annoyed an adult and they were irritated. I think I took a step back at like seven was like, oh my God. Am I an annoying kid that's like annoying people? I'm just like, are you, the fact that you're asking me that is not. No, a little bit, but no. So I, since then, I've been, I've never really cared a lot. about what people thought. But honestly, lately, after the show, I found myself being in social situations where I was not comfortable at all and not being myself. And I couldn't tell if I wasn't

comfortable, period, or if I wasn't comfortable because I wasn't being myself. Interesting. And it's because I wasn't being myself. Right. Why do you think like put a cabash on that? I'm not doing that anymore. Good. But what do you think cause, like, what do you think? I think being around certain groups of people that are more, I'm not extroverted at all. And I was trying to be. I was trying to be. I'm not an extrovert. I'm not a cuddly girl.

I want to be. I wish I was more than anything that I was, my dear love, Maddie Phillips, who plays Kate in the show is like a human marshmallow. Like, she just is the best. But I'm not that. never liked sleepovers, was never that person. And I think I found myself surrounded by people that were like that and wanting to feeling like when they got good news and they jumped up and down and screamed with excitement and I was standing there in the corner, feeling very excited, but looking like I was miserable. I can tell Rachel's loving you more and more every second.

But I didn't, I just, I was trying to manifest this like, who, who. woo girl energy. And I just wasn't you. Exhausting. And I just got angry. I found myself getting so angry and resentful to the people around me who were not doing anything other than being themselves. Right.

But I was like, I don't, I need to. And I told Maddie this, I was like, I just think that when I'm in groups, I need to separate myself. I need to walk away when I'm starting to feel uncomfortable and that's fine. I need to be okay with leaving early. I can't, I mean, but your self-awareness and like, you just know yourself so well and the fact that you're vocal about it is so admirable because that is a very hard thing to do, I think, for anyone. And you're 26 years old. Like the fact, you are 26. She doesn't know.

We think we're 20. We think we're 20, maybe 27. Because Ace isn't 30. That's how I came down. Okay. Yeah. Somewhere in that ballpark. You're somewhere in that ballpark anyway. But still, but just to have, and it's interesting in like the life you've lived and, you know, everything personally and now professionally and it's just totally influencing things around you. But like the fact that you can vocalize is fucking amazing. I still have a heart. That is something I like always focus on because it is very hard to do. Well, for a lot of people, I think. Yeah. It is. And I know it's going to change as I get older and around different situations too. I don't know though. Yeah. I try to keep everything open now of like I know it's going to change. Like,

It's like my idea of having a kid. I have all these thoughts of what it's going to be like. Right. I know it's not going to be that way. I'm going to hold on to hope a little bit. But like I'm trying to get my control freak issues under control. I'm trying to control my issues. I'm trying to be okay with like you can make a plan and that's the easiest way it's going to change.

It's not going to happen. You can't make plans. I know, but I want to. I know. Of course. I always say like, we leave the door open for miracles. So like when people are like, oh, that's hard to change or it might not.

I'm like, if we close that door on our thinking, it won't change. But if you keep one door open for miracles, like keep it open that you may end up starting to feel more comfortable because you give yourself permission to leave early or to be yourself and not be the woo energy girl. And that is something I feel like we're just getting to at our stage of life where we're like... Our old age... But to be honest, that's why I drank so much, is because I thought I was comfortable. I wasn't comfortable.

I was drunk. Right. You know? That's what I've been also keeping in check too, because everyone in my family's sober, when I decided to not be sober, which was when I was 21, it was a huge deal. It was a huge conversation that I chose. to have. It wasn't like my mom sat me down and was like, listen. She didn't want anything to do with that conversation. She wanted me to choose what I wanted to do. But I made it a big deal. I sat down with a sober friend and I was like, I think I don't want to be sober. I want to drink. I'm 21.

And he talked me through like, okay, well, are you sure? Because it's, you know, it runs in your family and this is what you have to look forward, like look out for. And now going to events, I'm so hyper aware of like, okay, I'm having a drink because I want to. or because I feel uncomfortable. See, yeah, that's a big deal. Oh, interesting. Yeah. What do you do, though?

What if you're feeling uncomfortable and you want to drink? Then I play it by ear. Like last night I went to an event and I was feeling happy. And so I had a glass of champagne. I was like, okay, I'm feeling happy and I'm feeling fun. I try to, I don't, I try to not get drunk, drunk ever now, mainly because I get sick. I hate it. I don't like the feeling.

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No, I feel fully in control of it. Yeah. My drinking. She's like, no, I feel fully interested. Very interesting. Well, so it started out with just an interest in spirits. I love the history of beer, wine, and booze. I think it's fascinating.

And so that was a big part of it, too. Like, I think wine is so interesting. I think it's, like, I worked under some amazing mixology people, and so learning about spirits was great. But I've never felt, like, I don't go home and I'm like, I need a glass wine. Right. I'm not, I get depressed if it sounds sad to me. Like, I don't want to drink alone. I want to drink when we're celebrating or when something good is happening. Yeah. Right. I don't ever feel the need to drink when I'm sad. Yeah. But my thing is, like, keeping it in check all the time. Right. Even if it's not a problem, I have to just. Just mentally. That was the conversation I had when I decided with the, the, the, the, my sober friend, he said, just check, check in. Like, yeah, do a check. And I do. And it's. It's.

been interesting to watch myself. And there's plenty of people, like I can say in my family on both sides, pretty much every single person on both sides is an alcoholic. There's a few that they drink reasonably, like completely reasonably. It's never been an issue for them. Yet their parents were alcoholic, sisters, brothers, cousins, wives, everyone. But like my aunt, my cousins, like, they're. not, you know? And so I think that when you know, Jeff always says this thing that I think is

brilliant is like genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger. And so it is being mindful of the environment. And it's like, what am I using this for? Like how, because if it does run in the DNA, there's the responsibility of what environment you're putting in your body to activate those genes, right? And so when you start doing it because you're uncomfortable or because you feel lonely or because you feel this or because you feel that, you're creating an environment to activate that. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But if you're doing it like you say, like where you're like, I'm happy. I feel good. I feel joy. Like that's a totally different relationship to it. Yes. But there is that lineage that you come from that I'm sure your awareness isn't like a typical person.

Yeah. And it's ever-changing too. I mean, it's always going to be changing. Right. I have to constantly check it. Yeah. Which is good. It's like a brain exercise. It's very responsible. Thank you. It's what it is. Thank you. I need to check in with myself. There's nothing to do with alcohol. But I think everyone should check in with themselves. It's the easiest way to just deep thoughts. Yeah. That's what I'm here for. Check in with yourself. Check in with yourself. I did that last night and Jeff goes, are you checking in with yourself?

What do you mean? Like out loud? He asked me a question and I was like, hold on. And I closed my eyes and I went inside. He goes, excuse me, are you checking in with yourself? And I was like, absolutely. Yeah. In a minute, I'm checking in with myself.

Wait, but I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I needed to check in before I gave the answer. Right. I needed to give myself the, like, check in space. I don't do that. pressure and I just go. Why?

I don't know. My brain has problems. We know this. What are we going to do with this one? I don't know. It's really, I'm just getting worse. Oh, God. It's getting worse and worse, you guys.

I don't even know. She bought me this sweater, okay? She bought this for me. I walked in today wearing it. She goes, oh, I like that sweater. It reminds me of the one I got for myself. Well, she got herself the same sweater. Didn't remember.

It's not the same exact sweater. But didn't remember getting this from me. Not a clue. Not a clue. Okay. And then it's like, oh, I like that. You caught it for me. It's so weird.

I know. What's going on? Enough about me. Back to you. I didn't eat today either. I'm a little. I'm forgetting to eat. You keep forgetting to eat?

I've never forgot. I have been. Never done that before. Oh my gosh, what do you think that is? I love eating. How are you dealing with all of this? Like really, go London. It's a lot all at once.

It's a lot. Like, you went from boom, like, that's overnight. Kind of. Why kind of? Well, kind of, because there was a whole year of waiting. It was, yeah. You mean you shot it and then it didn't come out for a year? Yeah, we filmed it in 2022.

Oh. We filmed it May to September. Wow. Okay. We thought it would come out. I don't know what in my brain I thought it was going to come out. sooner March. You're like tomorrow. And it came out in September of this year.

So you waited, okay. And then the strike. So we couldn't talk about it. Oh, gosh. Which was great, actually. What's it? Yeah, I loved it. Oh. I loved it. You're like, I didn't have to do anything. You are my spirit animal. You are my soulmate. Well, so Shelley, who was on the show, made a really interesting point of like, we got to sit back in the audience and kind of go, oh, I get to see what people genuinely feel about this show.

I'm not on Instagram posting behind the same. scenes, photos, and reading hate comments and good comments out of the way. I'm sitting back and going like, oh, objectively. And I think I'd feel a different way if people didn't like the show as much as I did. But people liked it. So I got to feel good about it and not have to deal with the social media stuff. Wow. And we watched it as a cast every episode. We watched it. Oh, you did. That's really sweet. Did you film in Toronto? Yeah. Yeah. And some of the directors had us over to their house to have a screening of their episodes. It was really lovely. But how I'm dealing with it, fine. Like, how's your, well, I, I, I, I feel good. You're like, I think I'm okay. Yeah.

Well, it's a lot, I don't think this is talked enough about is the mental health when it comes to success. Yeah. To fame. To having your dreams. realize, like some of these things can be really kind of hard on the mental health. And so I'm curious going from living like a typical life to all of a sudden, you have a publicist, you're going to these events, you're speaking to things, you're doing press, you're doing, like, it's pretty drastic. So, yes, it is. That has been oddly a smooth transition. That stuff has been fun. I try to take every party and press thing, which would normally have given me massive anxiety and does a little bit, but I try to take it all as like a good learning experience.

Like every event is going to either be great or not or fine, but it's still going to teach me something. Right. It's hard because you want to be grateful and I'm so grateful. Just going to blanket that statement is going to go over all of this is I'm so grateful for all of this, obviously. But yeah, no, your dreams come true. You're on a show and it's not it's not as exciting as you wanted to be. That's what I mean. I think there's a mental health toll it takes on people. Yeah, I'm so proud of our show.

I'm so proud of the crew. I'm so proud of the team. I'm so proud of the product. And so grateful that I did what I want to do and I get to do what I want to do for a living. It's amazing. But yeah, it's a constant. I mean, it's what acting is, though. It's constantly being disappointed with what you want.

Not disappointed, but constantly not. I don't think, I don't know. because I can't speak for anybody else, but I don't know if you ever feel fully realized in this career, which I'm okay with. I'm okay. That's why people keep doing it. If there was anything else I could do, I would do it.

I love that your parents were so supportive of what was best for you and not, like, pushing an agenda, you know? No, they always joked about me going to be a doctor. Did they ever tell you, I've not, I mean, because I know the behind the scenes that we won't talk about, but did they ever tell you, like, not to date people in class. No.

So let's talk about it. Wait, yeah. I want what? Well, because acting class, you know, there's a... Everyone wants a dating, right? Yes. Hot actors. Yeah.

And I'm 18 and I was like, I want to date. Did you? Yes. Yes. Everybody. Yeah. That's awesome. No, they never told me that.

I was never told not to lie, but I hated lying to my mom. Yeah. I was not good at it. I didn't like it. It made me feel uncomfortable. Yeah. I told her an unnecessary amount of information that she did not want to hear. But I remember the only thing I, two things I lied to her about.

I lied to her about going to see a movie without her. And I told her the next day. I was like, remember when I told you I did this? I actually saw this movie without you and I'm sorry. And then after that, shortly after that, I lied to her about losing my opportunity. That you did it? I didn't lie to her. I didn't tell her.

Okay. Yeah. Because she dropped me off at this guy's house that I was dating. And she knew you were dating him and where you were going. Yes. It was, yeah. And she said, but don't have sex. When I was kidding, other car, she's like, just don't have sex.

I was like, cool. Did have sex. Yeah. And then the next day or like a couple days, I think the next day. I don't imagine I could have gone longer than a day. The next day, we were driving in the car on the way to the studio. And I was like, remember when you dropped me off at the house and you told me not to have sadness? Listen, I did.

And I was telling her and I told her, I told her with who, even though she knew with who, I felt like I needed to reiterate who it was for some reason. Right. Just to be like, and she had a panic attack. She did. Did not look at me the whole time, not in an angry way in a, I can't. She didn't breathe. Yeah. No, she knew.

She told me before I got out of the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She gripped the steering wheel. Her hands were white. And she was driving going, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I'm going to throw it. I can't breathe.

We drove the whole way there. I was cracking. I thought it was hilarious. I'm laughing. I'm like, well, you know. Yeah. And we pull up, and of course he was a student. Oh.

Oh, no wonder she had a panic attack. He's standing outside, getting ready for class. She has to teach it. Yeah. Oh, God. God bless her. She put up with so much. How old were you? She did when you lost a virginity. 18. Oh, okay. That's a decent, freaking age. That is a legal age. That is, you know what that is? Well, that was what a big part of it was. Legal. Yeah, that's what that is. That's legal. That's not so legal. Okay, all right. Not legal.

There was a, yeah, there was a, there was no discussion about don't date people. But I would always sit there. Did you date a lot of people in acting class? I didn't date anyone from that acting class. I don't think a single person. No. Right? No, but you were in a lull time.

No. You weren't at the good time. Oh, there weren't good options. Is that what you were saying? Well, I was there before your dad. And I don't think, I might have like kissed one guy in class. Not in class. On stage in a scene?

My first kiss was in a scene. Really? It's so fun. Your first kiss ever? It was glass menagerie. Oh my gosh. I love the glass menagerie. Oh, gosh.

I know. That's so sweet. Yeah, well, my first real boyfriend was from the studio. Oh, my goodness. For two and a half years. Oh, what's his name? Oh, wow. Yeah, that's right.

Maddie. Maddie. Yeah. Very sweet. Well, it's hard when you're with, the thing is, is it, like, you're with all these, attractive people. It's the same thing that goes. Like when you're working. Don't go to a grocery store hungry. Right. Don't go to the grocery store. Don't go to an acting class for me. I'm always starving. No, I'm just kidding. But no, it's true because you surround yourself with these people all the time.

You're sharing so much. Oh, yeah. It's going to happen. It's like any workplace. It never happened for me. I don't understand that. I mean, I was really guarded. I was. I was, you think That was what was? Well, you were guarded. You were waiting for. Yeah. Like when I was first there when I was studying with your dad. Are you sober?

I was far from sober. Okay. And I had like a one-track mind because I was like there was someone outside of the studio that I had feelings for. But when it came to the actors in the studio, I was guarded. Interesting. Like I never, I think there was something really vulnerable about acting to me. and I never wanted to feel like... You don't want to give the other, like, your vulnerable personal...

Yes. I never wanted to feel unsafe in acting. Right. That's smart. Yeah. You're like, I didn't care. I used to look at you and think you were braver than I was. I was like, she's like...

I don't know. Like, I think you were like more, like... I don't know if brain... I was started. I was cold. I was very cold to these men. That's why you got them all. Yeah.

I was not. I was, I, I, I did not date them. Right. I didn't have a lot of interest in dating most of them. I, they were, I mean, there was a row of. I'm laughing because I know who they all are. Yeah. There was a row of them at my wedding.

A row? Oh, I know. I was there. A row of them, she says. A row of them. But that's what I, but that's what I like. They were, they were an arm. my friends.

Mostly. That's like you. You were saying you stayed friends. I keep all mine. I keep all mine. I keep all my in her basement too. Because if you are friends and you really have that relationship, then it's like, great, this new chapter.

You love a connection. I was really good at separating sex and feeling. Yes. Oh, you can do that. Sex and love. Sex and romance. You can just like sex can be casual and it's not, doesn't need the attachment. Yeah.

And you enjoy it. that like that one more so yeah and more so oh my god i'm obsessed with you yeah i know i never had a problem with it's what i mean about these boundaries i know it's amazing it was also but it was bad it was not nice to these people some of them it was mean but you're still friends with them not those ones oh but i find it fascinating though that women can do that and enjoy it so totally disconnect some can Some can't. I don't recommend it. I was talking to a friend of mine about this. I don't recommend it for people. I've told, you know, I have a friend who's exploring her sexuality and she's like, well, can I like, what do you think about like casual stuff? I was like, I love it. I loved it. Yeah. If your personality is one that's going to get attached, don't, don't try it. Don't start it because it's a disaster. If you're going to get attached. My thing was more like you do it, but you don't have the interest or feeling. And like, you know, it's casual, whatever. And I don't find that, like, I can get anything out of those situations. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm like, eh, more. I mean sex out of it. Yeah, because you're a romantic. You're like a die-hard romantic. I guess. See, I guess I found the – but I – to be – so more interesting than sex to me was the conversation, the, like, pillow talk. I found that very fascinating, and I did not feel emotionally attached to it. Right.

I wonder if that's because you started acting so young and sharing yourself in all these ways. Well, I wouldn't share. Oh. I would not. No, I would not share. No, no, no. No, no. Not me.

But you could be intimate with people because you would do it in scenes far before you were actually doing those things. Yes. And so you had that foundation of, like, I can look at you in the face and you can say these things to me and we can feel these feelings, exchange these moments and it's safe. You had that before you started actually doing it in real life. Yeah, and it was never manipulative. It was never like, oh, tell me all your stuff. Right.

I don't give it that. It was, I care. I want to hear about these things, but then I'm also don't come to my house. I don't. Oh, my God. Yeah, there was a bad, there was a new year's that was not good. with a situation like that where I thought I was friends with this guy. That was a great friend's situation.

Yeah. And then he showed up at my house on New Year's. I was like, don't come to my house. Oh, like unannounced. Well, he's like, I'll see you at midnight. I was like, no. Oh, no. Like a grand gesture.

And he's like, okay, well, I'll see you when you get off work. I was like, don't come to my house. And he came to my house. Oh, no. Very nice guy. And he got me like a chocolate. And I was like, that's so sweet. sure come in I guess I lived in I lived in a Gora at the time so he drove a long way yeah come in sure

it's just my brother and Valerie and my mom but all right he came in and I pulled valiside and was like I can't kiss him at midnight oh no over it all again because of this so I'm gonna make a thing and then go to bed and I coughed I started to cough at 1159 I called I cough for a minute straight. I was like, I can't. For a minute. And then I was like, I'm gonna go bed. And he stayed for an hour and played video games with my brother and then left. Did you ever talk to him again? Yeah, no, I saw him around. He hates me. It's okay. That's okay. I get it. I get it too. I have it. I hear it. I just like, oh, yeah. I can't blame him, honestly. It's, there was some miscommunication at some point. And how's Carson with all that? Like,

Does he know? He knows. That's your husband. Yes. Yeah. He knows. We talk about it. It's not his favorite topic.

No, I trust me. But it's, he is the least jealous person in such a wonderful way. So awesome. And so we talk about it. We're always looking for things that. Like, I like that. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not jealous. Yeah, that's great. We're always like. But he is, and it's so nice, because I don't need someone to be jealous. Doesn't make me feel happy.

It doesn't. I don't get excited about it. You've never experienced someone jealous? I've never been. I wish I got jealous. I know. We talk about this. Like, there's like that part of the ego that you're like,

wait, they're not going to be like jealous at all? I think I'm attracted to men that are not jealous types. I've never liked a guy that's a jealous type of guy. I'm going. in my head. I've always liked guys that had like an internal confidence that was like, yeah, your mind or swag, you know? Like, I've never liked a guy that was a guy that got jealous. I find it so tedious and exhausting. Yeah. It's not like, I mean, I think I've had a mixed bag. I've experienced both, but yeah, it's interesting when there is the one that's just not jealous. Yeah. Well, I've always

wanted it a little bit. Right. I'm like, don't you care? You can't. Giving Dave a lap dants and they'd be like high-five Dave on the way out. But that was like we had a friend who was in a marriage and then they opened it up for her. And there was a little part of her that was like, wait, he's letting me do this? Like where's the little inkling of like jealousy or? Right. But that's even further. Like Jeff wouldn't want me to do that.

But it's not from jealousy. It's from boundaries. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. I'm jealous. I get super jealous. You are? You do? Yeah. Never before until my husband. Oh, wow. You're like, that's how I know you're the one. I didn't care about anyone else before that.

Wow. In that way. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. He's not going to fuck anything up with you. Oh, no. He's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get jealous? Like what? Well, he works with probably a lot of women. No, it's not even real jealousy. It's, it's, things that you like. in your head come up with? Yeah. I struggled... He's going to hate this. I struggled really hard with his ex-girlfriend,

being jealous of his ex-girlfriend. And his college girlfriend. Are they still friends? She's dead. Sadly. But she's been dead. And I was still like... Like before you guys got together and she passed away.

And I was like this bitch. Holy God, like... But how bad is that? I used to tell my... I confess. to my sister, and I was like, I don't feel good about this. Like, I'm jealous of the person who passed away. Like, horrible, sad, tragic. But did they break up because she passed away? It was that the reason they were broken up? He's like, I'm going to break up with you because you're dead. Sorry.

No, I meant, like, were they together when she died. Sorry. No. Okay. It was wrong. But I kind of understand here's something that's a little bit unfair. Because everyone else is ex, you can compare yourself to and be like, I'm better than them. They suck. Yeah. With her, she's. dead. So now she has to be the hero and like her image lives on and you have to honor it. You know? And he's so sweet about it. Do you know what I mean? It sounds bad. It is real. Yeah. If you're just thinking like anyone who had a piece of him, you have maybe jealousy of, no, it's just her. I think it's mainly her. Because I don't know her. I can, I don't know. She's a legend.

She's right. That's what I mean. She's a legend. That's hard. It's like when you don't want to because she sounded lovely and she's dead. Right. I want to respect that. But it's like when people date widows and you're like, well, you're never going to compare to the, you know, partner that's gone. Yeah. I'm okay with it now.

That would be a hard position, I think. And he's been very sweet about it. Like we were unpacking the house and he found these little glasses and he's like, hey, so she gave me these. I've been keeping them because I don't want to kiss the dead. And also they're pretty. I was like, they're pretty. Let's put them out.

So we have those out now. That was a big, you know. Yeah. It was a stupid, like, I didn't have, I think it was mainly that I didn't have anyone else to be jealous of. Yeah. Right. So I clung to this one, like, you've found something to put those. I got this.

I'll be upset about her. I know what you mean. We do that to ourselves. Yeah. We find things. I hate when I do that. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

You know? I do know. Like, you don't really do it. I don't do that with anything. With Jeff. But you used to. I used to. Yeah.

I used to. Yeah. I don't. I'm getting better at it. Yeah. I kind of liked it, though. I was like, oh, I'm jealous of this person. Right. I like being protective of him. I do too. Very protective. I know what you mean.

Yeah. Well, we always say we like, we always like the ones that, like, you know, can own a room where you're like, oh, people of everyone will gravitate towards this person. Yes. Yeah. He's a good, he's good at that. He's good at that. He's good at that. Yeah. But yeah, he doesn't, he never minds talking about exos and stuff. He's friends with some of them. He's just confident. His exes are yours. Both. Oh. See, I like that.

I mean, his exes live in different states. Mine are all here. He has to deal with that. That's why you're okay with that. That's what I mean, though. And he was cool, like wedding, all good. And knew that who knew. No.

Yeah. She's like, can you edit this whole episode? Yeah, you're like, um, might feel. No, he did. It was, and they're important to them. I think the big thing was they're important to me. And I needed them there. Yeah.

So they were there. And he just. And he just. just loves you so much and is so supportive. Support is so huge. Okay. That sounds like a really generic blanket statement. But it's so true.

And when you have it and you feel it, it makes such a fucking difference. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, it's a big problem. It's why I really didn't want to date a working actor. I respect that he's an artist and understands the role. And I hope that he does pursue it one day because he's great.

But I did not want to date. an actor because even if it's a even if I'm dating a guy and the roles are nowhere similar, there's still jealousy. There's still going to be some form of jealousy usually. Well, that's why I was asking that. So wouldn't that be the same if it was something that's in his heart that he wants to do and he's doing something else? Wouldn't that still come up? No, because he's so content with himself. Wow. He's so confident and content with what he's doing. Right. That's incredible. What is incredible. I know. What does that feel like?

I don't know. But yeah, I didn't want to date an actor because I didn't want to deal with my first boyfriend was an actor and it was a struggle. Any bit of success I got, he was happy for me, but there was always a little like, why am I not there? Why am I not doing this? Yeah, that's not the face you want to share with your partner. No. I totally feel like that. I feel like I will say I have dated working actors and I have. Let's let's let's. Let's listen. All right. Calm down. And I have had that support with that as well, you know. So I think that it goes by person to person. Yeah. It's definitely individualized for sure. I think I just had such a bad experience with that aspect in my first relationship. But I was like, I don't want to do that again. Ever. Well, that's good you know. Yeah. And there you go. What about your friends? How is it with? Which friends?

You have friends. Which ones? I'm just saying anyone, like, has it been hard? Because I know, like, even when Rachel got the O.C., it was like, in the beginning, it's like, it affected. Oh, we were young. Oh, yeah. We were, she's young. Right.

Yeah, it's still, I think it depends. I'm really trying to be conscious of that because I did it today. I saw news of someone that I'm not friends with, but an acquaintance of booking a show. And I was like, why is my first reaction angry? I don't want to be angry. I don't know this person. I'm on a show. Yeah.

Why am I upset? And I had to check it. I had to check it really quickly. You checked in with yourself? Yeah, I checked in with myself. I was like, don't do that. Yeah. She worked with, you don't know her, first of all, well enough to be upset about this.

She's, I met her a couple times. But I don't know what her story. I don't know how hard she's worked to get here. I'm sure she's very deserving and talented and wonderful. Don't be a bitch. Like, your honesty and transparency is so refreshing. It happens all the time. It still happens.

And it's, yeah. I mean, it happened, it happens with my co-stars with like Derek would get an audition. I'd be like, why am I not getting an audition? We're the same person. We're the same person. Listen, I'll audition at the same time. But it's so, it's hard. It's hard.

It's a constant check-in. It's a hard business. It's just a hard business. It really is a hard business. But, no, I mean, like, as far as your friends go, like, have you sense a change from them? Like, do you feel like they're jealous of what you're going through? Do you feel like, go ahead. No, because I don't, I kind of unconsciously curated a group of friends that is fantastic. I also don't have close friends.

My close friends are friends that I don't. I see every, like, month, maybe. I'm not alone most the time. Like, I have my dogs and I have my house and I'm very content. Yeah. But I have close friends that I see when I need to see them and they're okay with that and we're okay with that. Right. But no, I've been so lucky to have everyone's just been supportive and wonderful. And I've seen changes in my other castmates friends and I'm so happy I don't have to deal with that. Right. But it comes down to exactly what you said. It's curating the type of people. We just talked about this yesterday. We were talking about someone and I was like, that's a hard no for me. Like, we don't have the space and energy to let people into our lives that aren't happy

for other people. Yes. And so it starts from before you get the show, it starts while you have it. It's how you look at your life no matter what you're doing. Like, are you surrounding yourself with people that are genuinely going to have your best interests at heart? And even if things, do come up, they work on it or they talk to you about it. Like, there's certain people that it does take energy and effort to be like, I don't have those kind of people in my life that aren't going to be celebratory. Well, it's also, it's on the other side of it too is I'm very honest with everyone about how I'm feeling about all this stuff, all this success.

Like, I don't, I don't, what's the point of going around me? Like, everything's great. Everything's fantastic. Right. It is in the grand scheme of things amazing. and I'm very happy and grateful. But it's what we were talking about. It's not what I expected.

Right. And that's not to be self-deprecating when having that conversation. If someone's like, how does it feel? Like if one of my close friends is like, this must feel so good, I'm not going to be like, it's fine. Right. It is. It's also, it's interesting.

It's a continuing every day is different. It's interesting. Right. And then they see you as human. You're not putting yourself in a position where you've changed massively now. You know. Right. Right. It's just a constant conversation. Yeah. It is. Which I think is, what was I going to say? Like, they say all the time like the worst thing that can happen to you is your dreams come true. Because a lot of times you have this kind of carrot that you're going after, you're going after. And you think, okay, once I get to that carrot, I'm going to feel different. I'm going to feel better. I'm going to feel content or satiated or any of those things. And they say, like, the worst thing you could do is get the carrot. Because then you realize all of that stuff you created that's going to be the thing that fix you doesn't work.

And you're still human. And you still have a bad, shitty days. And you still feel feelings. And getting the thing doesn't take away that. No. And I think I got lucky, honestly, because the way I booked the show and the way that that all went down was a huge, like, fuck you from the universe. It was not at all what I thought was going to happen. It happened in such a way that it was a preparation of like,

this is what the rest of your life is going to feel like. It's going to feel like you're constantly getting the rug pulled out from underneath you. I mean, I was two months away from my wedding. I was three months away from my wedding. When you booked the show? Yeah. My husband's dad had died, just died. I was at his funeral.

I was at the funeral. The night before the funeral, I had done the self-tape a couple days earlier. And I was like, I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I was so stressed out and tired. I did it. I was like, okay. And then I went to Virginia.

It was the night before the funeral. Carson was asleep. And my agent called and was like, hey, they want you for this part, but they want to know if you'll move your wedding. I was like, and he's asleep. I can't. And his dad's dead. I'm not going to be like, wake up my career. Oh, my gosh.

Listen, we need to talk about my life. I did. I woke him up. I was like, hey, if I need to move the wedding, just hypothetically, are you okay with? I was like, yeah, it's fine. So I said yes. They thankfully didn't need me in moving wedding, but it was midnight. So it was midnight, and I'm on the phone. I was like, I will, but I don't want to. Can you check back? And the next day at the funeral, I got the call that they were going to be okay with not moving the wedding. The next day I landed in L.A. and they called me and they said I got the show. the next two days later, I was on a plane at 5 a.m. to Canada. Wow. Leaving my recently lost his dad, husband behind to take care of our dogs. And so that all happened in a way. I never thought that I would book my first show, first big show like that. Yeah.

What a nightmare. I was pacing back and forth in their living room on the phone trying to decide what to do. I called my mom, like, I don't want to move my wedding. Like, I know that this is silly, but I don't want to do that. And I remember his dad was sitting in an urn on the counter. And I looked at it. I was like, this is his, he's doing this. This is him.

I didn't get to know him fully as a person, but I know that this is something he would be doing just to be like, ha-ha. Yeah. Well, we'd recently lost another friend too. And it felt very much like it was the two of them going like, ooh. let's because it was it was jazz sinclair who's on the show it was our mutual friend had passed away i had just seen jazz um so nuts oh wow and then this happened right after and he passed away and such both of them uh christian passed away in a very unexpected way and i don't know if you know him christian utton such a one of those people that you're like why not this guy why like of all

the people. So it felt like him and Lee both putting their hands in and being like, okay, let's do this, but let's do this. Let's have some fun. Let's do a little bit of fun with this. But yeah, yeah, so that that helped me know that this is never going to be what I expect it to be. I have to be fully ready for it to be wild and weird.

I mean, the sag, the strike. Yeah. Like that alone was weird. Right. And not what I wanted. I know. And push production back a while, but it happened. Wait until you have a reason.

Wait until you have words. I'm just kidding. Oh, my goodness. But yeah, I think it's an important message that it's like you got to get content with whatever is going on inside. And it's not the thing that's going to do it for you. Yeah, which I do feel like that. I mean, I'm going to work forever. I'm always a love working.

But that was the other thing is when you asked what it was like to suddenly feel this change and shift, I didn't. I've been working at a restaurant for like a few months now. I was working until the show came out because I didn't need to, but I wanted to. What restaurant? I was working at a restaurant in Woodland House. I was a bartender. I was like, we got back. I taught, I was teaching STEM for a little while to kids because I was like, I like kids.

teaching. And I left that because I thought we were going back to work. And then the strike happened. And I was like, well, I'm bored. I'm going to get a job. So I've been working. Like, it hasn't been an immediate, like, I'm a star. It's been like, I've been serving. I didn't tell anyone at the restaurant I was on a show. I left the day before the show came out. And then I came back and visited. But I mean, now I see some of the like celebrity regulars at parties. I'm like, huh. Oh, my goodness. I know your order. I know what you're having to drink. The first time I got recognized was at a party I was working at.

Really? Mm-hmm. It was at a rave. I was bartending. You were bartending in a rave? I was bartending at Mayan Warrior. She came up. She was very drunk.

She's like, you look like someone. I don't know who looks like, okay. She left. She comes back with a friend. She's like, you look like the girl from that show. Gen Z. Have you seen it? I'm like, Jen.

V. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You look like her. And I was so uncomfortable because the whole time before this, I'd been like, I've never been recognized. I'm so, oh, I was so sad. I was like, everyone else has been recognized me. So stupid. And she's like, yeah, you look like that girl. I was like, cool. And her friend was much more sober. And she's like, did you see the show? I'm like, yeah, I've seen the show. She's like, yeah, you look like her. And I'm making a drink. And she was, are you her? Yeah. And then she asked me some very, way too personal questions.

But she, but that was the first time that that happened. That happened again the next night that I was working at the rave. And it was amazing because it was rave people. They're so happy. It was a good vibe. They were so happy. Yeah. And it was this really sweet group of people. It took so long for them to realize what was happening.

Because they're like, oh my God, you look like this girl. They pulled up my picture. They're like, her stage name is London Thor. I'm like, crazy. My name's London. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, that's insane. And I tap the bartender next to me.

I'm like, look who they think I look like. And he held up the picture. And he's like, well, you do look like her. I'm like, I am. And we have the same first name. And last name. They're like different last name though, right? I'm like, nope.

It took so long because they're on drugs. And then they finally realize it and they're so sweet, chatted with her on Instagram for a while. But I've been wanting to work. Like it doesn't feel, I still get to, I still write, I still take classes, I still do all the stuff that I want to do. I don't feel like I'm stealing my time. Yeah. But I also, A, it keeps me a little grounded, I guess. And I also love bartending.

I think it's fun. That's amazing. Just that you do it. Yeah, I don't like it. At a rave. I'm teaching. I'm still teaching. I'm teaching music. That's amazing. That's my at school of rock.

Are you really? That's so cute. Which one? What in the house. Why do you tell me that? I swear I did. You did not tell me that. I just started. Now we're going to be moving.

I know. But yeah, I love, I like staying and doing something else. I like doing other things. That's so healthy for your brain. Yeah. Sitting around waiting is a nightmare. Mm-mm. You can't do that.

Mm-mm. No. No. I don't want to. I'm going to have to do something else. Like, I'm going to have to do something. When do you guys go back? Mm-hmm.

I really don't know. But you got picked up again. We got picked up. We got picked up before the show ended, which was great. Amazing. Yeah. I know. I have listed as...

That Wahoo Girl energy. Yeah. You do. But you're a subtle extrovert. You're like a nice... Oh, more a mess. You're subtle extrovert. Because you said it the other day, you're like, I'm so extrovert.

And I was like, I don't know. She's a year after she drinks one of those energy drinks. We have video. We do. But you are. You're extroverted. Yeah, I like people. You do.

I do. I do too. I do. I find them very interesting. I find people fascinating. You have to love people. Yeah. You can't be an actor and not love people.

Yeah. That would be hard. Yeah. You judge every character you play. But I just don't, I don't have the external. Yeah. energy. The first show I was on. I get it. Yeah. Shameless, the director pulled me aside and he's like, you're okay. Oh, really? Yeah. It was so embarrassing. I, because I wasn't excited. It didn't appear

excited. I was having the best time. It was the greatest day of my life. I was on a Warner Brothers set for the first time. Filming Shameless. I was so excited inside. But my face didn't register and he pulled me aside. He's like, hey, are you like, are you having a good time? It's like, Rob. No enthusiasm. Then. Yeah. But I love it. That stung. That's one of the things I am insecure about is wanting to be... To show what you're feeling inside.

Yeah. I don't mind it. I mean, I can't do anything about it. I don't know. Because I feel like when you do... Yeah. And they just show it different ways. And I'm sure if you were on that show for a long time, they get to know you and that's just your

personality. Well, the cast knows me. now. Like, it's a running joke of like, don't touch me. Like, right. I'm not a hugger. I like hugging. I just don't, it's not my greeting. I don't go up. I'm like, hi. I always hug you. Yeah, I like hugging people I know. Oh, I hugged you. Hello. Yeah. I opened my arms to it. I was ready. But like, I don't, like, my mom doesn't hug. I don't, she's not hug her. You always question, do I hug her, not hug her, but I'll hug her. She hugs me, you know. Yeah. Carson hugs her. He used to when he first newer and I was like, what are you doing? Don't do that. Don't hug my mom. But you have to go off of her.

Her mom's got boundaries. Like, she's not someone like, it is that thing where it's like they're very protective with their energy. And you have to read her and you can tell like, I remember when I first met her, I was really intimidated by her. Really? Yes. When I first met her. Because like I first met her and she said some, like, Birnick's like, yeah, she was in Cameron's class and she's like, no, She wasn't. She would have to go through me first in Fairnex. Like, no, she was in Cameron's class. And she just looked at me and she's like, no, she wasn't. And I was like, I was. Oh, you were? I was. But like, for some reason, I didn't go to Alice first because everyone went through Alice to get to Cameron. And I didn't do that because of the way the classes were structured or something. And so she was just like, I don't know her. But she wasn't like, she wasn't like, oh, hi. I don't know you. She really puts it on you. She really puts, that's one, it's kind of a superpower.

It's terrifying. It's, she really puts it on you to, you can take her, she'll say the words, and then it's up to you to decide if you're offended by those words. Yeah. Didn't mean anything by, genuinely, and she doesn't, she doesn't mean anything by it, but. No, it was neutral. But it really means, it holds a mirror to you to be like, if someone could get very upset about that. Like, well, yes, I was.

Right. And really defensive. And that shows you a lot about that person. Right. Or you're emotional. Or you're- Or you're- after that. Yeah. I was like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's something about her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, it's known now, like, my castmates know that I'm not going to be like, don't, I don't want a group hug. Don't, I'm not a jump hugger. I don't do that. I don't, it react that way. It's, you know, I like, I'm cuddly and warm sometimes when I want to be. When I'm when I'm when I with your husband and your dogs. No and with like with people. Like I love Derek and I do love the like I don't know. It's mostly it's oddly women for some reason. Interesting.

Probably because my mom's probably because my mom. Yeah. For sure. Because I love women. But it's not. Yeah, I don't know. It's easier for me to be cuddly with guys. I get that.

Because of the intimacy probably. Yeah. I mean it's easier to shut my intimacy. Lucy off with guys. You're more playful with guys, too. Mm-hmm. Like, you're... I feel stronger with guys.

She's like the... I don't know what the word for it is, because this isn't, I don't know if this is even a word anymore, but, like, you have tomboy vibes. Yeah. Like, when she's with all the guys, it's like she can be... Bro down. I'm not like the other girls.

She's not like the other girls. She serves them shit. She's like... 100% kidding about that comment. That's not... It's horrible. It's true. I'm like, oh, what?

Yeah. What? What? But she's just like, you know, Yeah. Yeah. She can be like one of the dudes. Well, I feel, I feel a lot more confident with men, I think, because I feel like I know how to be around men more than I know how to be around women. I think women I get more, I want to respect, not that I don't want to respect men,

but I want to respect women a lot, I guess. I don't know what I'm trying to say. I think it's your mom. She's got that queen energy. Yeah. I like to step back with women. I like to be like, okay, I'm going to let you do your thing and I don't know you and I'm going to give you space and I think I'm a little more careful. I'm a little more tiptoe because I know what it's like to be a girl. Right. And to feel feelings. But men, it's easier for me to be cuddly with because it's more comfortable. It's less intimate. So interesting. It is so interesting. Everything about you is so interesting. You know? Thanks. The whole conversation, the whole ride you're on and that you've been on your

whole life, it sounds like, you know, and being so sure of who you are. And it's really admirable. And now, you know, you have this beautiful, big thing and success. And you're still you. And I just, but I appreciate how refreshingly open and transparent you were during this conversation and how you are, I think, in life. No, I feel like I talked a lot. This is why you're here. That's what you came for. Yeah. Imagine if you did it. But I have Olivia and like people like that to be able to, like I know if I ever started being a dick. Yeah. You'd be like, stop.

Yeah. Don't be an asshole. Don't. Don't be an asshole. Keep it humble. Yeah. Keep it humble. Yeah.

I don't know. Gratitude. Yeah. I don't think, I don't, I hope I never have to struggle for that. I don't. I might, it might come about. Maybe my ego will get inflated at some point. But it skips people.

We never had to do that with Rachel. I had to do it. I mean, I can tell her when, don't. when don't be a dick, but that's what I'm saying she never, no, I never, yeah. She never, like. But I think it has, you know, coming up, like, with the support from your mom and everything. Like, I had the same thing with my parents, you know, just having that. What's your sign to?

Virgo. I knew it. You did? What are you? I'm Aquarius, but Virgo rising. Oh, okay. Yeah. How'd you know?

Is it Virgo? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I feel it. What's yours again? Libra. Libra.

I don't know a lot about Libra. I don't know a lot about it. things that aren't my sign, unfortunately. I don't know anything about any of the signs, really. I do. I know you do. Shepherds and Aquarius. I know.

Oh. Makes me happy. Oh, shepp. What is Elliot? Libra. Jeff's a... Virgo. Virgo.

Yeah. My new... Turned about him and I. It's Patico. My two... Potico. My husband and wife are both Virgos. Yeah.

There's something deeply, like, unsettling about ego for me, and I don't know if that has to do with... Oh. I mean, everything has to do with astrology. Not to be that person, but it's... No, but I mean... It does. And in some way, shape, or form. But, yeah, there's something that just doesn't feel quite right about it.

About astrology? No, about ego. About, like, having... Oh, God. Like, confidence, confidence, and courage and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That's stuff you work on, but I don't know.

I've never... There's no part of me that feels better than other people. Well, the ego works in both ways. I also don't find that interesting. I don't find that important at all to be better, worse than other people. That's good. Yeah. That's really good.

I'm going to cling to that. Yeah, cling to that. Cling to that. Cling to that. We have a great astrologer if you ever want one. Oh, who? Candy. We can give you her information.

I have a great tarot person if you want one. We do. We love this shit. He's amazing. Love it. My mom reads. True. Yeah. And she is amazing. She is amazing. You know what? We're all fucking amazing. That's right. Now let's go cut your, um, cranberry bars. Is that what you're going to say?

Yes. I just had to leave you feeling awkward for a second. Thank you. Let's cut your cranberry bars. Let's do it. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. This is so, babe. Welcome to broad ideas. I'm Rob. I'm Rachel. Rob thought it would be hilarious if we swap. Switched outfits. Pants and everything? Yeah. And cups?

I mean, you're blowing on your little tea like Rachel. Like a granny? You love it. I'm drinking tea right now. Did you guys switch socks? Everything. You would be really excited if you switch socks with me because they're very soft. Those looks.

Even more so my shoes. What? It's a pretty soft sweater, right? Yeah. This is not so soft. But it smells good. I was going to say, can you smell? Does he smell good?

You know, and he sprayed sandal or whatever, La Lago, you know, that smell? And right when I put it on, I was like, oh, did you spray La Labo today? And Natalie got it for him for Christmas. Oh. That's the only scent on a guy that's, like, tolerable. I hate Cologne. You do? Oh, my God, absolutely hate it.

I think it's disgusting. I love when a guy smells a certain way. I like the smell of sweat and deodorant. I remember in high school, my boy. Like deodorant. I don't mind. If I'm like into a guy, I don't mind the body odor. I don't like body odor.

I like the smell of actual deodorant. Right. Like old spice. It's the best. I know what you mean. In high school. Like an axe body spray? No.

I remember Jube. There was like a cologne called Jube. Do you remember that Jube? Yeah. And I like bought it so I could like spray it on things because it smelled like the guy I liked. You like cologne. You like cologne? You like a guy's smell.

But I'm saying if they do wear a cologne, like that one I'm good with. You know, smells, music, like all of that, it just, you know, takes you there. Yeah, but like it got to a certain point where it was like, ooh, you could, like if a guy walks by and smells like cologne, I find that really weird. Well, if it's too strong, sure. Same with perfume. Right.

I don't like perfume. I wear a little bit of perfume. You don't really wear perfume. Like you don't have like a smell. I can't think of a perfume and think it's you. I wear a perfume. But like I don't ever notice it. That's good.

But if you were to like... And they say if you can't smell it on you, it's the right smell for you. But like if you were to like nuzzle into me, probably be able to smell it, I don't like... That's a nozzle. I don't like... My friend Jennifer. Yeah. Our friend Jennifer.

Yeah. Whenever she gets in the car, I'm like, Jennifer. No, I can't handle overbearing perfume in a car. It makes me gag. Well, Natalie's had to tell her nanny to stop wearing so much perfume before. Really? I've felt like that. She's a little hyper-sensitive to smells.

Yeah. My mom's that way. She can't have perfume candles. I'm that way around like smells I don't like. Right. If it's a smell I like or neutral, like, I'm fairly okay. I don't like someone walking in the room and smelling like anything. Tell me the person.

I think I'm with you. I feel like it's kind of an aggressive thing to do. I feel like I'm going to take up this space with my smell. Your nose space. Right. We don't all like the same smells. No. But I like a dude's smell if I like the dude.

Me too. I like their deodorant. I don't mind like body odor on the guy. Like even if it doesn't have deodorant if it's just him. Just like stinky? Like their stink once I like a guy, it doesn't bother me. Even if it's bad smell? I don't like B.O.

Yeah, like B.O. smell? Yeah, I don't know. I find. What? natural male smell, maybe, but it's like they just ran four miles and stink. You like that? Oof, oof. No, I mean, I don't know.

I'll get back to me on that. And the next time I smell an armpit of a guy that ran four miles, I'll report back. All right. Yeah, let me know. Do you like musty shorts? Excuse me? I don't know. You seem like really into people.

Into rank body smell? Yeah. You seem to like... Musty shorts, though? Just like that description is very uncomfortable. It's like, what do guys do in shorts? Yeah, you're smelling their balls. Yeah.

Sweaty balls. You've probably never smelled sweaty balls, have you? I have sweaty. Oh, man. Have you? I mean, I've had... Not someone else's. Right, you've smelled your own sweaty balls.

You've... Like, it has like a... that you notice like, oh, it's a little sweaty ball. It's all musty. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Shower.

Yeah. But what I mean is after your peloton's? Oh. Oh, must must. I like that he really isn't thinking about it. I don't think it's, I don't think it's that. I don't think it gets that bent. Or maybe I'm wrong.

We just never smell. But sometimes on the, oh, like if we're going to go to dinner, I can just like change, throw on deodorant and not have to shower. Yeah. He doesn't, like, he doesn't. Like, he doesn't have B-O. Like, he'll have a scent with, like, the deodorant. Mm-hmm.

But there's never, like, he doesn't have B-O, which is really weird. Because he sweats. He'll, like, pit. Mm-hmm. But there's no, like... What sweatshirt are you wearing? Every time. Every single time.

Because it's such a good one? Yeah, I got it to a flea market. Yeah. It's just, like, cozy. Yeah, it's annoying. Okay. Every time I wear this one, she said, what's so? What's not?

I'm like, it's this. I'm jealous of it. Oh, but you have a very nice sweater. on today. I don't know why you'd be jealous of that one. Yeah. That's what I've ever put on my body. Oh, Rob, I wanted to show you something. Someone sent us a DM. It has nothing to do with you. Oh, cool. So I don't want you to get alarmed. But someone sent a DM of an older lady and said, Oh, excuse me. Wait, where is it? Did Rob send it? Was it from Rob? I mean, maybe. She sent it.

to us and said, this looks like a future version of Olivia if she decided to get super into power tools. And it was a day after you sent me a picture of an older lady on the side of the street. And I'm like, is everyone trying to tell me something? I did think the side of the street lady, I did have to like zoom in and look if it was you or Nicole. It was not at all about the age of this woman. No, she was dressed like.

an old lady, she had a lot of layers on. Yeah, she's like a hat on. It looks like something you would wear. Yeah. And she was about... A lot of layered person. She was about your size, like... To me, it looked like an old lady

checking her phone with her glasses, holding her phone out. Well, that's also what you do. Look how big your font is on here. While walking her dog. This does look like you. It looks like a very wrinkly version of you. She, I mean... I just think it's hilarious.

Like, if she got into balance... She's looking at this looks like Olivia, if she decided to get super into power tools. I'm going to pull up that photo of you. You had to zoom in to see if it was me or Nicole. It was the outfit. Do I wear a lot of layers? Well, no, she's wearing a hat like you with sunglasses. And you can't even tell if this lady's older.

No, I have no idea what age she is. Yeah, there's no way. It was like the, just like it was a vibe. This looks, this is a photo of you. I guess I don't know myself very well. She's got like a little button nose too. Yeah, she's cute. It wasn't an insult.

I felt like it was an insult. I didn't take it as an insult. I thought Rob was like, look, Olivia, are you this old lady? And then someone else was like, look, Olivia is an old lady. And then Rachel was like, yeah, they both look like you, Olivia. No, this looks like a cozy, nice lady walking her dog. Do I look like a cozy, nice lady? You know what?

Give it away from me. I'm like, there's no way she'd be walking strawberry. Well, yeah, I was like, besides the dog, she wouldn't be holding a bag of shit. No. No. Does strawberry get walked ever? Every single day.

Oh, David takes her and walk. Yeah. Oh, every day. Great. That's his dog. How's life with David going? Like our segment life with David. Yes.

We got in a fight today, but it looks like he might have gotten a job. That's huge. It's gargantuous. It's really a big deal. huge deal. That's so awesome. Yeah. Is it far? Yes, but my mom's going to get him a car. Oh, okay. Yeah. Good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. This is all great. So this is what I tried to, like, not explain to him, but he's been sober since he got out of jail and been living with us, right? That's been like 10 months or something like that. Is it 10 months? Yeah. Is the job allowing him to move out? I don't know yet. We don't really know what it's going to look like because we call him. Captain vague because he's really opposed to details. Got it. Doesn't like him.

Got it. But so this came through, oh, did I tell you about this? I don't know. Alana's fiance, my friend's fiancee was like, what is your brother into? And I was like he's really into bodybuilding. He wants to be a trainer and power tools. And he said, I will call my friend who owns a gym. And he went in there.

And I was proud of David because the. guy called him to have an interview. And my brother was like, listen, man, this is my life. This is all I care about. Please just let me meet you face to face so that you can actually get an idea of who I am. And I was like, good for you, advocating for yourself. So then he went there and he liked, he was like, I heard the clinking. I looked around like they're building, body building, blah, blah, and he said to the owner, he was like, you're going to have to find something for me because I'm not leaving. And he was like, come back tomorrow. And I was like, wow, we should do that.

I was just thinking, like, it actually reminds me of you a little bit mentality-wise. And be like, you're coming on the podcast and we're not speaking until we have an interview. Okay, so he has his job. And today was his first day? He's been there three days in a row. What's he doing there? What time to what time? He said just come in and get acquainted with the machinery and machinery.

Is that what it's called? Equipment? It's working out. What are his hours? I think it's going to be eight to three. Great. It's amazing. If you want to visit him, do you want to give like a shout out to the gym?

I would love to give a shout out to the gym after I make sure he actually has a job. Then I will be shouting it from the rooftops. He doesn't have officially have a job. I don't know. He says he has a job, but he's so. Captain vague. Vague. How do you feel about vagueness in general?

Do you think it's a guy more lean? towards... If we were going to generalize, yeah. I would say men typically are vague. I'm not that way. But how are you about talking about your feelings and emotions? Depends on who it's with. Like, do you express, like, if you miss Natalie or, like, what, you know, do you

express those things? No. What? What? What do you mean? Are you, like, actions? Like, you show her? He's like, I never miss her.

I live with her. It's hard to miss someone when you live with that. I know what I mean. So just walk us through how you show your feelings to your wife. Yeah. Would you feel it and then not express it or do you just not feel it? I would say it. We're together all the time.

So yeah, there's not a. But like the I love you is like whatever. I mean the sweater and the mug are killing me, Larry. But so do you like say I love you all the time? Like what's that? Yeah, we do. You know what you're being right now? Vague.

Vague. We're like overly affectionate with Calvin and Vincent where we'll say it a lot and then I think it got annoying to the point where he wants to say it all the time. So now we've kind of reeled it back a little bit. Right. We're not talking about that. I know. We're talking about what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is blood-oh-in-to-like-Romance relationships as well. Do you say I love you every time you hang up with the phone? phone? No. Do you? We don't talk on the phone, though. I say I love you every time I hang up the phone with you. Oh, I know. Yeah. But I'm, you know. That's an LA thing. That's what I heard. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Jeff was like, you guys are so weird. Like, how often are you guys on the phone? Her and Jeff? Yeah. All the time. He calls her for everything. Yeah, we don't, we're, we barely are Oh, Jeff is not big. We barely have phone calls with each of. What? Huh.

What about when you go away? Like, you'll go out of town. It's usually like a busy one that's happening. Yeah, but do you check in with her? Yeah, we'll text and then, yeah, FaceTime the kids. What do you text? Like, I love you. How are things at home?

Like, is like that? No. He's like, no. It's more like an operation. Yeah. See? Yeah. But, I mean, if something's going on, it will be conversational about it.

It's not like only logistical. Will you ever text her things like, I just want you to know I love you so much. I just want your vagina. No. No. No. Have you ever expressed in that way? Maybe like early on in the relationship.

Like I love you. You're the best things ever happened to me, yada, yada. Probably not. No. Does Jeff say those things to you? All the time. Yeah. It sounds cheesy.

me, though. He's just so not cheesy, though. He's sentimental. He's sentimental. He's very sentimental and genuine. Like last night we were going to sleep and he's like, Olivia, Elliot, like, this was different because it was the kids. He's like, I want you to know you guys are my whole entire heart. And like, he'll text me. I love you so much. You're my heart. Like he'll really like. I love that. He's very sentimental. Yeah. Yeah. I love words of that formation, guys. But it's not cheesy. No, it's genuine. It's genuine.

Because I know he's not going to do it unless he's genuinely in that moment feeling like that. He does always come with that. I don't think, I think Natalie would also find it cheesy though, too. Do you want me to send her on right now and see what she... Yes. She'll be like, what am I? She's going to be like, are you? Just say, I love you.

I want you to know you are my whole entire heart. Just I want you to know you are my life. Yeah. You and the boy... I want you to know you and the boys are my life. She's like, are you dying? Yeah, she's thinking I'm in like an accident. See, yeah, no, I shit.

I'm not going to, no. Well, say something. Just randomly text her, I love you. See what she got. Well, yeah, she'll say I back. But is that a rarity? No, that's not that rare. And if, like, she's going to bed and I'm doing something and we're not home.

Yeah, she'll say it before bed. Oh, I have something to talk about. Mm-hmm. So Rachel and I went to dinner the other night. and there was five of us, right? We went to Houston's, which apparently is like a really big deal. Hot ticket. Hot ticket.

So we went early birds. We got there at like, what, five, five-thirty? Something like crazy early. Well, they don't take reservations for more than four people up to, so it's like the opposite of other restaurants, you know? So they take it for less than four people? Yeah, four and under, which is so strange. So we had a weird experience because we were really enjoying ourselves, like,

there with our girlfriends, having the time of our lives, and the chef comes over, he's like, hey, ladies, so glad you're enjoying. I'm going to have to ask you, this table is reserved for parties of five, and you guys have been here a long time. Would you mind taking your party to the bar or the patio? So basically, we got kicked out. Okay. How long had you been there? Three hours. Three hours. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So you think that's fine. Yeah, they're flipping tables and they got reservations. Yeah. Nope, they don't have reservations for five.

Well, they can't take reservations for five on that. So you wouldn't be annoyed or upset or offended if someone came and asked you to leave a restaurant? No, only because I've been on the opposite of that where like, I've had a reservation and this table's taking forever. They've got their check. It's not a reservation thing, though. Well, I know, but it's the same. Yeah, people are waiting. People are waiting.

I do. And if they've got a ton of people starting to pile up there? I was so sensitive. I was like, I remember, I can't come back here. Oh my God. We, wait, we were at the table too long.

And I started like the people pleaser. Sensitive thing. Rachel was like never coming back because she felt so mortified and embarrassed. And she thinks there's going to be like a photo up her on the wall. And then our friend Nicole pulled us aside and was like, hey, guys, I got to tell you something. I've got intel on this place.

And we're like, what? Nicole Chavez? Yeah. She was like, this place loves a rule. And what? Well, yeah, they've made me take my hat off. I went there with Calvin for one. Yeah, yeah.

There's a dress code. There's a dress code. But the way she said it, I thought we were going to learn something really, like, life-changing. But she was just like, they love a rule. Well, I know what she's talking about. Because their friend Jess works there. Yeah. Yeah.

Was he working? No. No. Yeah. Yeah. But it was really, it was something. It was an experience. It was hard for.

And Emily and I both were like mortified. Yeah. Three hours is a long time. It is. I was fine with it, to be honest. I was like I get it. But I get it too. I just have, you know, it's like that whole like rule follower, people please.

You know, like if I get in trouble, I don't like it. Briars like that too. Oh, man. Yeah? Yeah. It's not good. So this girl loves a rule. I do.

I follow rules. Like parking illegally. Like my foot, you know, my foot is fucked up for two months. We go on this birthday hike and like the whole lot's full and the only place to park is like a legitimate like five-minute walk uphill. Or a handicapped spot. I'm sorry. Can we stop this conversation for a second? What?

Your foot's fucked up and you went on a birthday hike? I had to. Can I explain? A hike with your foot? Yes. And while I'm in the boot, which I had to take off because honestly, I think it's made it worse and it's really annoying to wear. I had to go on a hike. Not only a hike, but this is like a rigid, like narrow, climbing over rocks, crossing river.

You didn't have to? I had to. Breyer had two birthday parties. That was the first one at 10 a.m. I couldn't ask one of the moms to be all the way into the hike, be like, hey, can you walk? her all the way back out to me. And then go back. Then you just don't go. You just don't go if you have a broken foot.

I know, but she really wanted to go. Or you send Bella with her. Or you send someone else with her. And we had to go directly to Winnie's though, like from there. You send a representative for yourself. I'm just concerned about your foot and like you walking on it like that. I had to though. You know, you would have done it too.

No, I would have. No, no. Anyways. You're more, you're more of a walk. It's more of a walker on the foot type of gal. I just don't. I just keep going. And you walk uphill because it's where you got to park.

Yeah, so I had to park. I didn't break a rule. It was the point of the point of the story. I forgot. She didn't even break the rule of not being able to go to the kids party. Well, she really don't want to miss it. It was like a fun party and they all got like, it was like a Jumanji party. And they had like all this equipment to like go and find jewel.

And like, you know, and they personally got personalized things. Fanny packs with the next. names they picked. I'm just worried about your foot. I'm worried about my foot too. Anyway. So, point in the story is I could have parked illegally and been right by the trailhead. And I instead.

Well, yeah, but that, you're getting a ticket or car towed. Like, I'm with you there. You would have just parked? No. No, she wouldn't be there. No, no, no, no. Some people do them. I'm not like I need to.

I mean, I follow the rules. My daughter also, like yesterday, we could have j-walked right across to the car, but she's like, Mom, we're walking to the crosswalk. I'm like, you're right. Oh, yeah. No, I'm a, I will jaywalk. Yeah. I feel like that has been less, it's like been lessened as a crime or a ticket or whatever. Has it? Maybe that's a rumor. I purposely did not jaywalk today because we were at Shepard and Alley at school. And I was like, I can't jay walk in front of a school. I was like, I'm just an a-hole. Yeah, you can't do that. But I had to say. stop myself and be like, reverse this. No, you have to, we always go to the crosswalk. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. J-walk all the time. That's an L.A. thing, though.

J-walking? J-walking? Not J-walk. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, in Chicago, you just, j-walk. Like New York. Yeah, New York. I don't pay attention. In New York, it's fine to just go. How is your foot? It is not good, Olivia. This is why I don't want you going on heights. Yeah, I had a cane. It's like her mom They're like

Don't worry I'll keep going It's like this thing Keep on trucking Yeah Am I right Well Olivia the other days Was like I would be complaining

And she would Olivia does not do well with ailments No I'm more of like What are you going to do Yeah I would be really I do miss tennis I miss my tennis lesson

Oh, I wonder if it's from tennis. I think it's from an ugg boot. I told you. An ugg shoe. I just... I'm waiting for my MRI guys. And I will let you know once I have the results, once I get the MRI, which will take a long time.

Okay, Rob, what's our question? All right. I'm a 26-year-old female, have been with my boyfriend, 27. Male for about eight months, things have been quite challenging because we are in a long-distance relationship, but we love the time we spend together and have plans to hopefully. hopefully close the distance after he comes back from his one year of deployment starting in March.

Gets better, don't know. Okay, go. We both want to stay together throughout this and are making plans for the future. We actually used to date in high school as well, but we were not ready for a serious relationship. We went our separate ways. In the meantime, I have a baby daddy who I have a four-year-old kid with. How old is she? 26 years.

Okay. I have a baby daddy who I have a four-year-old kid with who I separated from three years ago. It's been up and down since because of his mental health issues, but our co-parenting has been going fairly well. He recently spiraled with his mental health and at some point ended up breaking up with his own girlfriend. And after that, he also... It's good to break up with someone else's girlfriend. He also met my current boyfriend a month ago. Last night he came to me with a confession that he wants us to try again and be.

a family. There was no right time in place to have this discussion. I was literally holding my kid crying at the time. I have no interest in doing this and want to only be co-parents. I don't know why he brought this up and why he thought it was a good idea. I think it's another one of his mental health phases, and he's feeling lonely since he left his girlfriend. I'm divided on whether I should tell my current boyfriend about this interaction.

Nope. He knows my baby daddy and his family regularly cause issues. But with him leaving on employment, things are already challenging as they are. And I don't want him to think there's someone prying around trying to get on with his girlfriend. No, she absolutely does not bring it up, especially while he's far away. Not valuable information. That's deployed. That's it. Don't do it.

You can't tell him. You can't do it. She also doesn't know what she has to tell the baby daddy. Yeah, tell him no. If you not. No, you do not. There's certain things. Like if someone's far away and it's long distance, whatever, there's certain things that I don't.

don't think. Are helpful. Yeah. To be brought up, especially when someone's so far. Exactly. Especially if the person's clear on it. If they were confused about it and were considering it, then you might want to give the guy a heads up.

But if it's clarity, you're like, it's not valuable information. And they have to deal with this guy for the rest of their life because they share a child. So I wouldn't. Yeah. I agree completely. Poisoning the well. Putting the worm in the apple.

Come on, Rachel. Come with more. Putting the shit in the diaper. Remember when we got really into underroos? Catchphrases. Underroos? Yeah, when Cameron Deez worn them in Charlie's Angels, we all wore them. Yeah, that was cute.

I don't remember that. Oh, it was so cute. That was a moment. We were all wearing that. It was. Yeah. We, like, legit, bought underwrews and wore them. It was really cute.

What are underwrews? Like, kids' underwear. They're little boys' underwear. Oh, okay. Yeah. Little kids underwear, I should say. You never wore underwrews. Like, you didn't have underwear that had characters on it. Yeah.

Cartoon characters. Yeah. That's what they are. You know, with, like, the borders, a different color. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure Calvin probably wears them.

No. He, yes. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. When does it switch to, like, boxer briefs? It's like a high school. Is it a high school thing? Is it?

I don't know. Do you still wear tidy witties? Yeah. No, I have boxer briefs. Balvin's are kind of like boxer briefs. They're like in between. Yeah. Interesting.

Cool. Does Jeff wear tiny wadies? No. He wears like the boxer briefs. But I could see tidy witties being like comfortable. They can be cute on some people. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Thanks for everyone. Thanks, everybody for listening. Got a girl. Got a girl. Got a girl. To do-looo. May.

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