Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Making “The List" with Luciane Buchanan

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Rachel and Olivia chat with Luciane Buchanan (The Night Agent) about her early days as an actress, her ideal partner and tricky conversations with close friends. Later, they chat with new producer of the show Kevin Bartelt about 3rd grade trivia and if Rachel had a vibe with Bill Maher. Watch the video of this episode HERE!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You're rolling. Woohoo. Welcome to broad ideas. Guys. Thanks. We're here in our new studio again at Headgum. Very exciting. Sorry, just wanted to shout that out.

Right, Kevin? That's right. Yeah. And our guest, our first studio guest, Lucy Ann Buchanan is with us today. And she was such a delight. She's the homie. She's the homie. She was really fun to talk to and had some good stories to share.

So we should just get right into it with her. Cool. Let's do it. Yay, we did it. Yay! Welcome. We're so happy to talk to you and to have you with us. Thank you.

Thank you for having me. So cool. Oh, my gosh. You, and I'm sorry, you're just so stunning, like looking at you. I'm like, my goodness. Stop. So there's that. It's our opener.

For our opener. For our opener. It's really important. Everyone knows. Yeah, I think they know. I think they know. I definitely know. But yeah.

So I know we had to reschedule, but we're so happy that it all has worked out. So. Yeah. Thank you so much. I'm so excited. I'm such a big fan of the OC growing up. So this is like crazy to me. Really?

Yeah. It's so interesting because you grew up in New Zealand, right? Correct. And I actually wasn't old enough to watch the show because it was a little spicy. Yeah. But there was like one room in the house where the TV was like away from everyone else and I would sneak in there and watch it on mute. So I'd just pretend I knew what was happening. Yeah. You're probably better without hearing what was said, I'm sure. It's so funny because so Josh, the creator, we're super close. And his daughter is basically a niece to me and she's 13. So she just started watching it. I watched the pilot with her and I was like, Cover your eyes. Cover your ears. It's so inappropriate. Yeah, it's really inappropriate. So you were wise to watch it on mute. Yeah. No, my parents were like, there's no way you're watching that show. And I was like, why? I mean, we were all watching Desperate Housewives at the same time. I was like, what? You're like, why is that okay? Yeah, exactly. So, no, I'm such a big fan. And yeah, so crazy to be talking to you. Thanks. Oh, my gosh. That's so cool. And then. And you, Olivia, as well.

Yeah. Thank you. I was just thinking that would actually be a really fun game. If you turn off the show and you have to come up with it. Yeah, like come up with what they're saying on your own. Oh my gosh. That would be really fun. Like, Chino, ew, they're like, your shoes. Ghost.

Like, you have to get it to go along with them. Yes, yes. And with my accent as well, I would make it even better. Let's do it. We'll do little mock videos. Oh, my gosh. You as Marissa with the accent would be epic. As Ryan.

She's a summer. Oh. You're a summer. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Definitely a summer. A hundred percent. Well, I guess I would be offended if you didn't say that. So thank you. I mean, there's either the summer or the Marissa. And you either identify with one or the other. I always talk about this. So when we were kids, I call us kids because auditioning for the OC and Olivia had an audition for Marissa. And I read the sides. And I was like, oh, I want, I like her. Like, I want to audition for her. And then I got the summer audition. And I was like, oh. oh man no and I said you should audition for summer yeah because I felt like she was the more fun role I know it's so funny how how right I am about everything and that was the role that you were meant to play in the end you know you know I'm very grateful very grateful and sorry last thing I'll say but stella Josh's daughter had her bought mitzvah and the girls are all watching the OC and in a speech this one girl came out to me and was like I hate Anna oh and I was like Yes. You do hate Anna.

Actually, yeah. Actually, yeah. So they all came up to me and that was the line of the night, which was really cute. But anyways. Oh, my gosh. Enough about me. But really quick, do you think that you are either Anna or Summer or can you love both? Oh, well, I can love both because I can appreciate Anna's taste in music and her love of comic books and her smarts and all those things. Yeah. Yeah.

Those were a lot of things. There were a lot of things, yes. Yeah. Yes. So you are growing up in New Zealand watching the O.C. and Desperate Housewives, of course. Yes. And so how did you end up where you are with this amazing career and everything else? How did it all start for you?

Well, gosh, it was exactly that. Just being a kid who loved television and just glued to watching shows nonstop. And it was less films, I would say. It was definitely like really crappy, you know, sitcoms. Like, Full House was like the first thing that I watched. And I was like, I want to be on TV. It wasn't like, you know, like art house film or anything. It was just, you know, something every day that I would watch and look up to.

And yeah, I guess I couldn't sing either. So I was like, okay, can't do that one. I want to do this. And it was kind of like a pipe dream with like my family. You know, we'd joke about it like, oh yeah, woman. when you go to Hollywood. And then it wasn't until I was 14. These girls at my school would do these after school, like drama classes.

But they were specifically for screens. So they would teach you how to go in for an audition and what that would look like and, you know, learning your lines beforehand and coming in and being prepared. And we would film the scene and kind of watch it back. And the teacher would give us notes, that kind of thing. And I was like listening to these girls at school like, what is this this class who really want to do it? So I proposed to my dad that I quit all the sports that I was playing because it was really sporty growing up, which broke his heart. I was going to say.

He was like, what are you doing? And I was like, yeah, I want to do these really expensive acting classes. And he said no initially. He was just like, you know, let's just, you know, think about it. And then I just wouldn't let it go until eventually let me do it. And I don't know, it's like the first thing that I did that I was like, oh, I think this is my thing. I think, you know, I think it was really cool as a teenager to do something where you weren't afraid to look stupid and to let go of, you know, other people's perceptions of you, which is such a big thing at 14. You're like, oh, I want to be cool and I want to fit in and all these things.

So it was kind of my escape. And, yeah, we got to, like, do scenes from friends and Juno and all the things that I was really into. So it didn't feel like, well, obviously didn't feel like work, but it was something that I look forward to every week. Yeah. And then through that class, my teacher was like, I think you need to get an agent. And I was like, all of a sudden, like, I don't want this. I actually don't want to be on TV and I don't want to be mocked at school or anything like that. I just kind of want to finish school and then pursue it later.

And she went behind my back and she sent my tapes to this agent called Gail Callan. And I'm still with her to this day. Wow. Oh, my goodness. That's cool. I know. So cool. That's really cool.

Yeah. And then from there I kind of booked work. I think the first role I booked was like a TV movie, like super, super small budget. But it was like the second audition I did. And so I got to like skip school, which was really fun. for me. Yeah. And yeah, it just kind of progressed in that way and it all just kind of happened naturally, which is cool. That's so cool. You know, the one thing in my mind, I'm like, what scene did you do from Friends? Oh, I was like the TV movie, did you murder someone?

These are how our brains were. Yeah, I got a murder. I'm trying to remember it. Oh, my gosh. We did so many. I can't even remember. But I wish I could. That was, yeah, 2000, like, or something like that. So long ago. I know. I was like half kidding just because like, you know, I know every scene. Yeah. But that's so cool.

But how it happened for you is amazing. And I mean, very, uh, what's like American dream vibes? No, not the show. But like. Right. You know. Yeah. Like the dream.

Like the dream. Like the actual American dream. Thank you. Yeah. It's like not the show. But then didn't you go on to study psychology? Yeah, because I, you know, with acting, it doesn't always, it's seasonal. It's not always, you know, always booking things.

So I had like a year out of high school where I was like, oh, when I, you know, audition, that didn't really go to plan. So I was like, okay, we need a plan B. And so I went to the University of Auckland and studied psychology thinking I was going to get into social work. and then realize that that's a hard, hard job and required, you know, a lot of strength that a 21-year-old did not have at the time. I mean, I think acting, a 21-year-old acting is almost harder on the self-esteem and soul than social work, at least.

You're having, like, the impact and you get to see it. I feel like they're both hard in vastly different ways. Oh, my gosh. Like, for sure. definitely like with the show that I'm on now how big that's got and I'm like well this is actually quite crazy you know there's so many opinions and you know when people tell you about the numbers you're like okay that's really nerve-wracking and overwhelming so yeah I wouldn't say one's better than the other but yeah for sure right and that show broke tell us about those records

Didn't they break a bunch of records for being the most streamed show? I mean, I don't remember the numbers off my heart. That would be a bit creepy. What if you did? You're like, I have it tattooed. Yeah. I think we were the most watched Netflix show in 2023. I think the seventh most watched Netflix show ever.

Which was crazy because at the time we had no idea if anyone would watch it because you don't have that in mind while you're making it. And so, yeah, that was wild when that all came out. And I was back home in New Zealand like, oh, I'm just going to put the phone away and just carry on with my other job. But yeah, the second time round, you know, being over here in the States, I'm like, oh, gosh, this is really, really overwhelming. Yeah, but so cool.

And it's just like, yeah, amazing. Congratulations. Thank you. Very, very exciting. it just makes me think about like Olivia and we're always talking Too much Never stop talking

We're actually in a fight right now We're actually we're not going to go there We are fighting because she disagreed with me on something And I never do okay with that Yeah I don't know Yeah we'll bring you into it We can bring you into it

Well I was gonna bring you into something else Oh bring her in bring her in I was gonna bring her into Because it just reminds me right Like you have this wildly successful show And it's something you've been working at for a long time and, you know, something you dreamed up or whatever.

And it just made me think of like we were talking about bucket lists. Oh, yeah. So it sounds like a bucket list thing to have a show, obviously, that you're proud of and that successful and everything. But we were just talking about bucket lists and if people have them. Right. So I guess that's the first question. Do you have a bucket list? And if you do, what is that?

Oh, I make like a list every year, kind of like, you know, for news resolution. But just kind of things that I want to take off like places I want to go to or, you know, creative projects, personal things. So yeah, I mean, do I have it here? Oh, my God, do you have it? Break it out. Should I find it? Yeah, you should find it. Come on.

Do you diary. I love it. I always keep it in my phone under notes, everything I do, too. Which maybe isn't the best idea. Wait, do you have actual notepad? Oh, just in like a notebook, just in here. Wait, do you guys write anything down? No, I love handwriting things down always, but I said if things I need to just like refer to her in my notes on my phone, but writing is definitely the preference.

I like writing. Yes. Oh, there's a lot of lists in here. It's like, take out the trash. Look for a house. Oh, my gosh. We should help you. Let's do it.

Let's help or take out the trash? No, like find a house. Let's like outsource it right now, right here. Yes. Okay, there's a lot of continues because I like to like not write these crazy lists and just like, you know what? I was on this train. Yeah.

So a lot of it was continued not to smoke because I've quit smoking last year. Yeah. Congratulations. Never take another puff in your life. Ever. Ever not one puff. Never. No.

She was a smoker if you can't tell. Really? Yeah, 13 years clean. Amazing. The freedom. on the other side of it is like nothing else. Oh my goodness. Congratulations.

It's huge. No puffs. No puffs. No puffs. We need that on a shirt. Yeah. Not one puff. One.

Not one puff. Two puffs. Thank you. Uh, what else? I want to direct my first short. I wrote my first short last, oh, you know, two years ago. Um, so that's like a creative project that I want to do. Um,

continue going to the gym because I'm so new to the gym world. Oh. My cut. So is she. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Into it though now.

She is now. 5 a.m. She goes. 5.30. 5.30, sorry. Excuse me. That's incredible. I mean, I've been off because I've been sick.

So 5.30 is crazy. There's a magic to it, I think. She's telling you this now, but I'm going to tell you the complaints I hear about the, out the 5.30 a.m. workout? There's been complaints, but there's so much on the other side of it. But once you're out, you're like, I feel good. It's also the company, because I go with other people that I love, and it's so fun. That's kind of the magic moment of my day. And then everything else is downhill from there. No. And wait, you guys are in L.A., right? Yes. It's not so cold. No, it's raining today.

It's raining. It actually gets cold at 5 a.m. in the winter. We both grew up in L.A., so we can attest. I see some 30s, although you might be used to Celsius, not Fahrenheit. Yes. Okay. I just know when it's like a hundred and ninety. Yeah, zero, yeah.

Zero is 32. That's like the one baseline that I can always refer to. It's hard to convert otherwise. But carry on with your list. Sorry, okay. My list, but we digress. I have a lot of places I want to visit. Yeah, anything you see, just shout it out.

We love it all. Okay. So I want to travel more and then I went crazy. Japan, Sri Lanka, Mexico, Jamaica. Are these all places you've never been? No. Wow. Okay.

Yeah. Cool. And I always seem to go back to the same places and I'm like, no, no more of that. Let's find somewhere new. I want to start a martial art. Amazing. Amazing. You don't know why.

I don't know why. I'm like, I feel like it will help with my job. Also, learning how to defend yourself is probably a good thing as a woman. Yeah. Yeah. You know, especially in New York. Yeah. Anywhere, really.

Yeah, just a lot of, just book more work. Date more. I was just about to say, what's up with the love? Yeah. Yeah. Where are you with it? We are dating much more than last year. and it's so much fun. Is it?

It's fun? Fine. Okay, I need to hear this. Yes, please. Tell. I, like, I think a lot of us are looking for an outcome of some sort, like, oh, I want to find the one. And I'm like, you know what?

The bar is on the ground. Yeah. Why not have fun? And I realized that mindset I used to have back in the day. And I'm like, you know, I just like meeting people and talking. talking to them and if it doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't go anywhere. And if it does, it does. So, wow. Yeah, especially in New York. I think, yeah, a little different. A little different. And I'm not on the apps because I think. Have you ever been?

I was last year and I just found the communication just really weird. Yeah. So boring. Like, hey, how are you? Good. You know. Yeah. But, yeah, literally going to a bar and, meeting people. Wow, like the old-fashioned way. Yeah. It's still a thing. Yeah. And the stories are so funny. And I love it. A bunch of my girlmates are all single at the moment. So we're constantly calling each other and like comparing notes. It's so good. Have you guys ever been somewhere where you both want the same or both interested in the same person or any more than one of you? Really? No. That's interesting. Because we always had the same taste growing up. We did.

So we would. Really? Yeah. We liked the same kind of guy. We liked the same vibe. Yeah. What was the vibe? But we never like fought over a guy or anything.

Never fought over a guy. What? Did we? There was a competitive evening. Jesus Christ. Enough with that. That has to die. She hates when I'm-

Because it's annoying. Well, it's a really funny. No. No. No. No. It was before she was, she got sober. It was before she got sober.

You're not telling that story again. I'm not. Okay. I'm not telling the actual story again. But, I'm sweating. But we did have the same taste. Honestly, a sense of humor and like someone that's funny is very important. Very.

I'm always so shocked when they are funny. I'm like, wow. Yeah, right? Because like the super serious like earnest vibe It's tough It's tough Oh yeah They have to get the joke though

But like if they get if you're the funny one And they laugh and they get it I mean that counts for something too It counts for something It doesn't do it for me though No it needs to be Do you know what I mean? Like it's got I've got to like

You got to be zinged a little bit You got to zing They got to put you in your place with their wit Zing to Zing or bang Yeah I'm just kidding Okay, let's hear your list. Yeah, I want to know your ideal scene shopping.

Have you written it out? Oh, no, I haven't. I actually should. Yeah, a lot of my friends have done this. I'm not a big looks person. My friends continued to remind me. They're like, wow, every time. He's awesome.

He's not a looker. Is it because he's funny? Funny, yes. Great. They have to be, like, passionate about something. like they have to whatever it is what if it's like a rock collection i'm sure look at she's lit up yeah she likes it

yeah rocks keep your clothes on yeah um what else uh oh i didn't think this was a big thing for me like in the past but i think as i've gotten older like somewhat like politically aligned okay i didn't think it was a big thing before, but nowadays, it might be. I'm like, why am I'm saying that? That's really embarrassing. And I don't agree. Yeah. Yeah, especially like in the world that we live in today, it's like, you know, it's really important to me, I think. So for sure. That's, that's another thing. And someone who's, you know, really close with their family. That's really important to me as well. Yeah. I like that you're doing your list right now because she's, I mean, we've all done it. And

We've been friends for almost 30 years. So, like, we'll go through phases and write your list and what in what you want. And she wrote her list and met her husband. What was number one on your list? Hot. I don't remember, yeah, like smoking fucking hot. I feel like for me at the time it was like integrity or something like that. It was like humor, integrity, all these different things.

And some of the things he didn't. have. He had integrity. But I remember putting on their like style and sober. I wanted, because I'm sober. I wanted someone else sober. All those things. He didn't have style. He wasn't sober. But as she always talks about his jeans. Yeah. His jeans were like really something to. It was like being from a different political party. It was like we stand for something really different. You know? But as time went on, The interesting thing is I pulled that list back out and I was like, oh my God, he's got them all now. Because he's sober now. He changed the way he dressed. And they weren't my influence.

So it's kind of cool to have that list to go back to. And then I remember when working on Rachel's with her, it was like, what is actually at the top? Like what is it that if we were to get rid of a few of these things. this person would still be a good, you know, companion for you. Wow. I think it's good to explore. I think I need a new list. Yeah, let's refresh it. Got to refresh that old, old thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Are you both married? No, she is, I'm not. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you wrote the list a while ago. Yeah, a long time ago.

I mean, I have a child. I was in a long-term relationship, but I'm currently not now. Yeah. Yeah. We need to break out that list and see what was on it. I know. I feel like funny was number one. And then I was like, maybe that shouldn't be number one.

It's really important. It is important. But like. Character is one too. Like you want someone with like a backbone character. Yeah. Absolutely. But also there's guys who find everything funny and you're like, okay, that's not that

funny. That's the worst, actually. That's the worst. You know what's even worse, though? is a guy who thinks he's funny and the jokes just misfire and it's like the try hard funny that is like one of the biggest icks

I hate it or when they tell and they laugh at their own thing like you're supposed to laugh with them and you're like I like do I have to fake laugh right now like where do you decide that like you if you're just like no this is my new thing I'm going to be completely transparent and honest

this is how I'm entering this situation this dating scene and you just never laugh I don't want a fake laugh. I don't have it in me. I know. I always do, though. I can't help. You do. Are you a people pleaser? Absolutely. Even like when I made a comedy show and no one else is laughing. I'm like, oh, this is so bad. Have you come across a fake yawner?

What? It's a thing. What do you mean? Oh my God, it's such a thing, you guys. A fake yoner? Yeah, it's just like, you know. Like, I don't even. Yes. It's like to fill the awkward silence or space, they'll throw in a yawn.

Oh my God. I'm going to come across this now because you've said it. And I've never seen this happen before. Oh my gosh. I notice it. It's a thing. And you'll, once you see it, you can't unsee it. And you're like, that fucker's a fake yawner. Yeah. It's not real. You're not tired. Oh my God. That's a non-negotiable now. Never a fake yoner. Not a fake yoner. Fake yonner. One time I was on a date and it was like a first date and the guy cried and I was like... At what? How much?

But what did he cry about? I told him like a story about my childhood or something. Well, her childhood is dear word. A hundred percent. But if you can't like laugh at the trauma or like... You got to be able to laugh at it. Yeah. Be that whatever.

Like he was asking questions. Was he an actor? Yes. Of course. She cried. Of course. And I was so uncomfortable. I was like, is he crying?

Okay, what kind of crying? Was it like sobbing? Was it like a pretty tear? Actual tear? But was it for show, do you think? Or was it genuine? Whatever it was, it didn't land well with me. It felt like, this is weird.

How do you feel about dating actors? Great question. Great question. I haven't done it. I don't really want to. Who knows, I might end up with one at this point. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

I'm more in my type on set is always like camera department. Yeah. I don't know why. Oh, yeah. Camera department, grips. I'm with you. Yeah. It's fully.

Although my track record says otherwise. But. My track record says, actor. My new list. Oh, my new list says. Don't put not an act. actor, though. Don't put not an actor? Because we can't manifest in the negative. Oh, no, I would never put what I don't want. I only put, you've trained me well. I know these things. Okay, so not an, yeah,

so more, I feel your vibe. Yeah, I think, I don't know. I always perceive actors as, you know, I don't know. I'm not one to, even though I am an actor, this is so bad. I know, listen, I get it. Yeah, I hate when we're like sitting on set waiting and, You know, everyone's going around telling this story and, like, you know, throwing in a little trauma dump. And you're like, I swear. Like, why does this happen on every set? Like, I don't know. I'm just really turned off by it.

Wait, were they all just share, like, so many feelings? It starts off as like, oh, this is so bad. No, do it here. Just come on. We need it. We need it so badly. You know, it's just like, you know what? This is how I got into acting, did exactly what I just did.

And then it's like this hard story like, you know, I was homeless or I did this or, you know, I struggled with this. And it's just like, it's been 20 minutes. We've just said hello. Like, this is a lot. Oh, my goodness. That's so interesting that it keeps happening to you. And I'm just like, like, I must be like inviting it.

You are. You're like, give me all your trauma. I want to hear all. I'm curious in your guys's opinion, what do you think draws someone to the art of acting? Because if there's a common denominator, right, like we all know this. This isn't new information about actors in general. There's like a stigmatism that goes with it. So what do you think it is that draws people to that profession?

Gosh, it's a really good question. I have no idea. It's so different. Yeah. What do you think? Well, people can't ask me because I'll just be like, I just pretended to be a Disney princess every day of my life as a child walking around my living room singing the song.

So, no, I think that there is something, you know, that attracts to the emoting and telling the story and, like, bringing up the feelings and all of that. And I know that's a big part of it. And for, I would say, a majority of actors that I know have a lot of trauma to take from, you know, and use, and myself as well. What do you think? So I heard this question posed to these big spiritual teachers. recently. They're like, what is it in me that wants to do this thing with acting or with any

sort of performance? What is that need to be witnessed in that way? And they basically said that they're, and this is a little bit spiritual woo-woo, but their basic understanding was that where we come from, whatever that source energy is, is so loving. And there's so much praise and you're so witnessed and seen and loved and held and for every single part of you that then we come and take these human bodies and we're like craving that feeling again. And so it's almost an invitation back to source of like see these parts of me because a lot of times in any form of healing you can't heal it unless you see it right. So it's that kind of even through humor like even if it's just like you're getting praise for being funny or beautiful or deep or whatever

it is, there's a witnessing that happens that makes people feel connected back to source. Yeah. That's a little heavy, but. No. No, I always like the heavy. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think some people want to escape being themselves.

I know for me, I love to like transform. And as soon as I finish a job, I'm like, I don't want my hair to look. like my character or, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I always want to have that separation. But for other people, they like playing roles that are similar to them. They can show a little bit of themselves and different characters. So I think it's, yeah, it's different for everyone, for sure.

So then why does it make the guy's self-indulgent? That's the question. I'm just asking for a friend. There's this weird competitive element, I guess, as well, where we're all, you know, off camera and a 10 and wherever we are. And it's kind of like, this is who I want to present to the world. This is the version that I want to share. I think there's a bit of that going on. I'm just like, I've got like two brain cells to do the scene.

I'm just going to focus on that. But, you know, of course there's moments where people are genuine. and share things that you're like, wow, thank you so much for sharing that for sure. But I'm just so surprised at your experience is like so much of that sharing. Because I'm like, you know, people are just sitting around or they're listening to music or they're studying, you know, like maybe they're hanging out. I guess, you know what? I have a really probably bad habit of like not taking anything too seriously. So I'm always just like messing around.

Well, yeah, they're probably not doing that to you. Because you're not open for it. You're not like, you know. That's interesting. Whereas I'm open for it. Yeah. I like not even on set or anything. Like I'll literally ask someone next to me on an airplane like, oh, how do I turn on the screen?

And it will turn into a full on conversation where I'll pretend to sleep to get out of it. And maybe I just have that energy. Like, yeah, tell me everything. Yeah, maybe it's that. So what's your birthday? July 18th. Is that a cancer? Yeah.

Yeah. There was a reaction to that. Do you hate astrology? No, I'm just a typical cancer. Oh. Oh, okay. What about you guys? Virgo.

Libra. Libra. Ah. Okay, I don't know too much about these two. I don't either. Yeah. I also question it because my mom was a scheduled C-section. Sorry, just a side note.

And they picked my great-grandfather's birthday. So I wonder, because August 25th, am I really a Virgo? You are. 100%. Okay. She has decided. 100% completely. It would not have been early otherwise.

You're a living, breathing, Virgo. Okay. Virgoes are like very hardworking, right? A perfectionist. I'm not a perfectionist. I know. But there's like a, there's a method. I perfect my grocery cart when I'm shopping.

Like everything has to fit perfectly. I can't just throw shit in. Yeah. And there's like a, there's a system in everything she does. Ah. Interesting. So it doesn't, it might not make sense to us or it might not be like, you're a perfectionist, but trust there's a system.

I will agree with that. Yeah. There's a system to my. Clothing piles. There's a system to all of it. Yeah. It's systematic. Oh, cool.

There we go. And what about Libra? Libra is... We're supposedly the scales, so we're just kind of balancing and I don't know what we're doing. I have no idea. She just balance everyone and everyone goes to her for everything. Really? Yeah.

You're that fringe. Yeah, except this morning when she disagreed with me. That's... the fucking balance. Let's talk about that. Let's go into this, please. I'm sorry. She's never allowed to disagree on things that I know I'm right on. What are your thoughts on integrity? Number one. So, yeah. So what are your thoughts on friendships? Like, let's say, let me give you a, for instance. I'm not going to give you the actual fight. But I'm going to give you like a rough cut, right? Okay. So say a friend of yours tells you a story.

goes and this person did X, Y, and Z, and you sit with it for a minute and inside you're like, well, I kind of understand where that person was coming from in that situation. Not okay. Well, because my commitment is to always be honest. So you know you're going to get the truth. So do you swallow that feeling and just placate them and be like, yeah, totally. He sucks. Well, she's a people pleaser.

She's already told us. Or do you say maybe there's another way of seeing it? How do you deal with a situation like this? Oh, I've been in the situation so many times. And you're right, Rachel. I am a people pleaser. And I will go, yeah, I know, stuff that. And then I'll eventually go, okay, devil's advocate.

What if this maybe? So I'll end up there. But immediately I'm like, I've got. you back girl i've got your back okay hold on let's just think about this right i'll make my way yeah so you'll say it in a certain way that just comes a lot's a little more gentle i wish i was more truthful and honest that i can just be like this is how it is but i'm always like wary of how my friend feels depending on what it is right like i should have talked to you this morning no but i feel like if i'm looking at it at it at it

big picture, right? Okay. I can either put a band-aid on you or I can help it heal naturally, right? And so if you look at it big picture and you go, okay, I can tell this person what they want to hear and they're going to feel better right now. Globally, the problem's going to persist. And so I'm going to have to keep hearing it, right, and putting that band-aid back on. And at a certain point, you're hindering the person. So, yeah. So I'm like, if I really care what she feels, then I'm going to do the thing that's uncomfortable for me now. Yeah. What were you going to say?

I've been in a situation where I've been truthful, like, you know, my bestest, best mates. And then they go and do the opposite and you're like, oh, my God, that was really bad. For instance, like going back to an ex, it's like really toxic. Yes. Yeah, we have like a two-hour bitch about it. And we're like, yeah, you tell him. get your stuff and get out and then they go have the conversation and she's like oh yeah I'm

back there and we're like oh gosh now I have to see him and I've said all this bad stuff but but you still see him and you support it I've come to the point where you can say whatever with your friends and your loved ones they're going to do what they're going to do at the end of the day and I'll be there to be there for them because so many times we've invested so much time and like yeah come to mine and let's break this down and let's figure out away. And then there's times where they do the opposite and don't take your advice. And you're like, oh, what was that for? You know, I feel kind of silly or like used or, you know, down about this.

So I've kind of taken a step back being like, I'll sit and listen with you, do what you want. And if now's not the time for you to leave, say it's the situation. You know, I'll just literally be here to catch you whenever that. time is, you know, whenever you're ready, which is always really hard. But yeah, it's so hard when you invest so much and then you just watch it happen. It was, yeah, another conversation we had this morning. Right. Yeah. Because we have a friend where we both are like, have a very hard time with the person she went back to. Yeah. And how do you support her when you don't support that? No. It's so hard.

It's so hard. Well, I think of Mel Robbins and her Let Them, we're going to talk to her, but she has that book, Let Them. Have you heard of this? No, I haven't. So it's all about, it's called like the Let Them Theory. So whatever it is that someone's doing, let them, let them do it, no matter what it is. Yep. And I think that this gives me such free reign.

I think that that's the difference, though, between giving advice and being honest. So those are two different things. Yeah, totally. You can be honest without saying, I think you should do this. Yeah. And that can be so hard to hear in the moment. Yeah. So I think being like, you know how I feel about this,

but you're going to do what you're going to do at the end of the day. But I'm always like an open door. Like, yeah, because it's so heartbreaking when you watch them go back in that cycle. Yeah. So yeah, let them. I have such a hard time, though. Like she's so much better at it and with it. Like I got into a fight with our best friend because of it.

And we never fought. We've gotten into one fight in all 30 years of best friendship where she hated this guy I dated. He took my childhood Grover stuffy hostage until I talked to him. He took me and put me in the car. And she's like, if you get back with him. And we like yelled at each other. Anyways, that was our first and only fight. and then now she's back with this guy

that we are not a fan of and we got into her second fight. That's the only fights you guys have ever been in. Yeah. And we lived together for six years too. Wow. I know. That same guy that Rachel dated blackmailed me.

Okay. And said... I know how to pick them. He said Grover is a prisoner of war. And if you don't get Rachel to call me within 24 hours, I'm telling your ex-boyfriend, you're dating X now. We were 19, mind you? I don't care.

She's like, we were 40. He took Grover and literally ransom called me. He said, Grover is a prisoner of war. And then she didn't call him in 24 hours. He went to my ex-boyfriend and was like, just so you know, Olivia's doing X, Y, and Zay, la-la. He actually did? Yes.

He made good on his threat. Wow. Wow. Did your boyfriend believe this or? Yeah. That's, yeah, no, it caused a gargantuous fight. Gosh. Was this the actor? I mean, I know, right? It had to have been an actor. No, it actually wasn't, ironically. Wow, I forgot about that.

Yeah. Wow. Well, but then, you know, I made good with her because many years later, there was another bet. And if I did something, she got a free puppy. and I did do the thing and she did get the puppy, which she gave away another story. But she did. This is a roller coaster for motions. Yes. Sorry.

Aren't you glad you're here? I know. Aren't you glad you're here? Welcome. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, my goodness. I will say what I love that, you know, I hate that you guys had an argument, but it just shows how much you care about your girls and like.

Absolutely. Yeah. It's coming from a place. You just want the best for them, right? Yeah. Absolutely. And I have that with my girls. all the time. It's so funny when you get frustrated with each other. It's like, this is all, like,

rooted in, like, so much love. Yeah. You know, so that's so cool. And it's so cool that you've been friends for so long. Yes. I know. It's longer than you've been alive. I was one. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. You were a baby. I don't think so. What do you mean? Was she? Well, not when we first met. Oh, maybe. I can't do math. I don't. Yeah, no one said math risk required here. No. Let's not too math. So like if anything happens in your life, good, bad, like sticky situation, do you call

each other immediately or is it like a hundred percent? I don't make any decisions. I'm not allowed to make any decisions until I run them by her. I didn't set that rule. That's that's well the one time I will tell you the one time she was not available and I listened to our other best friend. it was not the right decision. I learned my lesson.

That's because all I'm trying to do is get her to trust her intuition. I'm not, I don't tell you what to do. My intuition is all sorts of fucked up. It's not. It's not because every time you trust it, you're right. I know, I know, I know. I'm pretty much joking. But yeah.

Yeah. We do rely on each other a lot for sure. I was in a little thing with these, like I was explaining something to my kids. friends, moms. And I was like, yeah. And I told my friend Rachel. And I told me, and every day I'm like, and I told Rachel. And I remember someone being like, do you tell her every thought?

And I was like, she knows every thought in a day. Yeah. It's true. I'm like, and then. And then Rachel's in. And then it. Yeah. It's just.

I love that. When we leave each other and then we just talk on the. car ride home too. Do you have that codependent? Absolutely. Like we're all in different cities, so we have to figure out the time zones all the time. So one's in L.A., one's in Melbourne, another's in New Zealand. So sometimes I miss out because I'm the furthest way. But yeah, literally like a guy will be leaving my house and I'm like, one, two, two, two, do, do you go on, base time girls, you know, like it's so codependent. Yeah. Or even like, like, you know, last week was like full of emotions for me because I was like so happy about the show

coming out, but also like I read one bad comment and I'm like, oh my God, I am terrible. Oh my God, I am a bad person, you know, because when people think you're the character. Yeah, I know. Message you like, hey, and character. And I'll call my friends crying and they're like, don't be silly. You know, this is part of the job, unfortunately. And just they whack all the wisdom back into you and also make you laugh when you're in those states. Most important thing. But the thing is, is that I think it's experiential.

Like, it's really easy to say until it's done to you. And then I had that with doing the show. I started to read comments. And then I would tell my friend, I would obviously tell Rachel, but then our other friend, Leah, and she would be like, they're losers. You know? She'd be like, they're losers. I love that.

You know, she would just be like, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, I get what you're saying. But however, when you read things about yourself, it hurts or it doesn't feel good. And you're being exposed on such a large level. I know. It's crazy. And no one can prepare you for this. And, you know, people give you advice and you take it in.

But, you know, until it happens to you, you're like, wow, this is something else. And I know the next week another shows out, and that's the new thing. and people are looking that way. But yeah, no, it's just that one comment. And, you know, there's so many lovely comments, but you're almost looking for it. Yeah. Almost like, where's the troll? And then when you read it, you're like, oh, this is so awful.

Yeah. And it's the one that you hold on to. It's like the one that sticks with you, not all the million positive. What's the thing? How many positives to remember? 10 positive thoughts to counteract one negative. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, for sure.

And I watched a interview with Chapel Rowan recently, who I love. And she's just like, I just look at it like they're a bot. That's not a real person. And I was like, okay, I'm trying to practice. That's just a bot. That's not a real person. It's a good way to look at it for sure. It's hard.

Yeah. But another thing, too, I was just listening to this interview this morning. And I don't remember her name, but she's a researcher at Harvard. And she was saying, once you realize you can't win that, no matter what the quality is, let's say people love you because you're trustworthy or trusting. And they go, what a beautiful quality. She's so trusting. She goes, that's the same quality someone's going to hate you for, for being gullible. So every single quality that you possess, there's a lover and a hater on both sides of it. And so it is about getting to that place, right?

where you're like, oh, I have zero control of other people's perception. Yeah, absolutely. And I was saying to my friend, like, okay, I'm just going to get tough skin. This is like the first round of this because unfortunate, like fortunate and unfortunate that my show was seen by so many people. But that's like the first US show I've done, you know. So there wasn't like a warm up around of like, this is this is the exposure and this is kind of the reaction that you're going to get.

So it's all been learning. And yeah, I can't imagine what it was like for you, Rachel, back in the day. Maybe less so because of the internet. Yeah, there was like social media didn't exist. It was definitely like height of the paparazzi era, which was a different thing. They're just trying to catch you getting out of cars without your underwear on. But like, which did happen. Not to me.

I always had underwear on. Not me. But yeah, it was definitely a different thing, you know? Gotcha. There were comments. Like, there was like an OC messenger board that like Josh Schwartz would always like he would read and of course like hang on to the neck or whatever. But it just wasn't as much of a thing. So I can't imagine like for you, you know, in this day and age with like all of it, just immediate reaction.

And people have such a platform to comment, which it's a new thing. It's a new thing. Yeah. Yeah. And also that you had like tabloids, right? So like the most horrible like headlines to sell a magazine. Yeah. I mean, lucky for me I was pretty like domesticated at the time. So like I wasn't, you know, the one falling out of clubs or whatever it was. Oh gosh. Thank God. Thank God. We did that when we were like 15 when you shouldn't have been doing it. But it's also, it's also. It's. It's also an epidemic of mental illness. And a lot of times when people are writing those comments or coming at you for things they hate about you or don't like your character or whatever,

they're getting dopamine hits from doing that and getting engagement and stuff. And it just points more to how sick our society is and how it's a low hanging fruit to get some sort of validation, attention, dopamine. Like it's really bigger than just someone being an asshole. Absolutely. Yeah. They get a kick out of it. It's yeah, that dopamine hit from getting a like with someone agreed with them or, yeah, some sort of validation. Have you had any kind of crazy fan encounter? No. Not yet. She's like, I want one. I want one. Yeah. She's like, I'm manifesting it. Please, please. I mean, I did have, it wasn't about the show. I had a crazy stalker neighbor. But he's gone now, so that's fine.

Wait, like what? Well, okay, so in the US, you have those crazy AC units that you put out the window. Right, yeah. It's right in the corner there. But the place that I'm renting, they take it out during the winter and then put it back in the summer. And the handyman guy who came over, he was like, can you help me? And I was like, are you joking that thing? Cost, like, weighs so much.

No. And also, I'm paying you to do this. Like, anyways, we had to get some help. So I went and knocked on the door next door and asked my neighbor, help us. And I don't know what happened in that exchange, but he thought I was interested in him. Oh. I thought he was gay. I don't know.

My gay at our is completely off. So I was super friendly like, oh, thank you so much for helping. Oh, my gosh. And I offered him a bottle of wine because, I don't know, back home if your neighbor helps you, you get them a box of beers and you're like, thanks for helping. Sure. See ya. And then, yeah, he accepted the wine.

And then I bump into him in the hallway. And he was like, I said my name was Lucy because I'm just like, I don't want to, like, we don't need to get into that. Like, Lucy, Lucy, um, thank you so much for the bottle of wine. it was amazing. I was like, oh, great, you finished it. Oh, thank you again for helping. And he was just, he really read into it. And he was like, actually like, come into my apartment. And so, of course, I'm a people pleaser. I went into the apartment. Do not do it. I know. I'm such an idiot. And he was like, you know, I don't believe in things just like happening.

I believe everything happens for a reason. And you left the price tag on the bottle of wine. And I was like, ah, okay. I, oops, my bad. I just bought the bottle of wine and put it in the fridge. You know, it wasn't like, you know what? And he was like, yeah, do you know how much it was? And I was like, oh, no. And he said, oh, it was $30.99.

And so crazy, I'm turning 31 next month. Oh, I'm dead. I know. And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, but what do I say, guys? What did you say? too because I was turning 31 that next month. Oh, no.

I didn't meet to him. I know. I know. I know. Maybe it wasn't a stalker. Maybe it was like a consensual. Anyways. Maybe it was.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Stop it. Then I said like, bye, like nice to meet. You know, thanks. It's 1131 right now. Stop it. I swear.

Oh, my gosh. Is it? 31. Yeah. Oh, my God. And he's going to listen to this. Oh, shit. And then it got to a point, oh, so then I was like dating another, obviously dating someone else. Yeah. And he was at my house. This is terrible. We were watching the Donald Trump and Joe Biden debate on our date because he wanted to. And I was like, this is depressing. Okay. And next minute, I don't know what, how that made it. you know, get it on, but we were getting on. If anything turns me on to debate.

It's those two grandpas. And I have like this big projector, so it was like, anyways. And the doorbell rings like three times. And it's like 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, who? And the guy was like, you should get that. And I was like, maybe it's like Amazon. I don't know.

They don't ring the doorbell. It's weird. And I open the door and it's the bottle of wine. No, no. The bottle. Stop it. Stop it. I don't feel good.

Filled with roses. Sorry, I just screamed. Sorry, everybody. No, I'm close to all. Oh, my God. Yeah. Stop it. But like not all the roses could fit into the small, you know.

Yeah, so it was like. There were 31 roses. Probably. I didn't count. She didn't count. She didn't count. She missed the small. opportunity, Rachel, there were 31. I know it. And then I like, bend down and I'm like,

what the hell? And then he like pops out of nowhere. No. I'm like, I am like there with you right now. I'm sweating. Yeah. And then he was like squatting next to them and he was like kind of in not squat. Not a squat. Yeah. And he's just like, he's like trying to be, I don't know, cool. I'm dying. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like grab the flowers like cover like. Like because I was wearing like a little sexy top. And I was like, not for you, not for you. And he was like, yeah, I'd like to take you out some time. Like he was talking different.

And he was saying, you know, let's go see a Broadway play. Like, have I ever been to a Broadway play? And I was like, yeah, I won. And he's like, that's my favorite. And I'm like, I'm just saying that. Oh, no. And then he was like, come back to my apartment. And I was like, I actually have someone over.

Like, I'm so sorry. Anyways, I looked really like. cool walking back with flowers from another man. Oh, yes. That works in your favor. But then from that point on, I got, you know, poems. Oh. You know, I left at my door.

Oh, no. Yeah. But he's gone now, so it's fine. He's gone now. Yeah. You know he's gone. Yeah. Sorry, that went such a...

Are you kidding me? He's everything the same guy. What's that mean? Like, that's my first. favorite play oh god everything the same guy everything the same guy I just made that up okay I was like that's a thing no I just made it sounds like a friend's

episode or a sex in the city person yeah yeah yeah right yeah Charlotte was with everything but the same guy everything but the same no but the same no we know we need to circle back to the most important part of this story which is the squat

like I would like this to a PSA? Never squat. Is there ever an appropriate time for a man to squat and do anything other than at the gym doing like a squat? Squat, yeah. How do you feel about the squat?

Gosh, and he's like looking up at me and I'm like looking down. This is too much. Like, I, oh my God. Were you ever attracted to him like for a second? No, it was not ever. I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen squats. the squat. Could you imagine? No, there's a guy. There's actually a guy. You showed me a guy that

our friend was dating and in his picture he was doing some sort of squat. I showed it to Jeff and he would reenact it. Jeff or husband. He would reenact it just to make me uncomfortable. Who squat? He was like squatting pointing at something like. Oh no. We're going to give guys a complex now. They should have it. They should. They should not. Not squat. Not the squat. I know. I know.

It's all because I said, me too. I'm 31 next month as well. Oh, my God. And the AC. The stupid AC. That is, yeah. It's really the handyman's fault. It is.

Yeah. Wait, but really quickly, he left, but did he leave because he had to leave? Like, you, like, there was a thing or he just happened to. I can't remember. There was something going on in their apartment. I think there was too many people. You know how Neil. Yeah, got it.

Loft apartments. And, yeah, he left abruptly and he said his one regret was never taking me to a Broadway play. And luckily, my cleaner was over and she was kind of standing around. I was like, yeah, okay, bye. Wow. That's so awkward next door. Yeah. I know.

I know. Not the neighbor. No. I know. He wasn't squatting when he said goodbye. So that's good. In my mind, he was. Yeah.

He was forever. I wish I would have taken him to that Broadway. play in full squat oh my god wow well i mean we're not going to top that story no number one ever that's incredible all of it all 31 of it it was just so incredible uh incredible uh you are so awesome and such a cool person and so beautiful inside and out and i'm so happy for you and your show and your career and everything that's coming it's just amazing um But thank you for talking with us today and being so open and sharing all of it. Thank you guys for having me.

This was so fun. It just felt like the girls chatting. Yeah. That's what we want. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, for sure. But yes.

Yeah. And do you want to say anything about anything coming up? Because I know you have obviously. I mean, yeah, our shows out on Netflix now, if you want to watch The Night Agent, There's two seasons. Also, I have another show coming out. I don't know when. Chief of War on Apple TV, which is super exciting.

With Jason Maloa, right? Yeah. So cool. Just a small little indie actor. I don't think he squats. He might. No. You don't think he might.

Did he squat? I mean, did you notice a squat? But what I'm saying is if anyone could, it's Jason Mamoa. You'd be like you have a pass. You can squat. Although he's like six foot four and I'm like five two. I'm five two. Girl, I get it.

They're the same. That's why the guys think they need to squat. Yes. So sometimes he would kind of like meal a bit low to be in the same frame. That's different. That's considerate. Yeah. That's a considerate person.

Yeah. Not for game purposes. Amazing. He can do that. Yeah, he can. We've given Momoa as a permission to squat. You're welcome. Yeah.

The only one. Yeah, I think that's it. That's all the stuff that I can talk about, for sure. That's it. That's all you have going on. Jeans. It's been amazing. You're an absolute delight.

Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. This was so fun. Good. So happy to hear. That's awesome. You too.

Bye. Here we are. Here we are. We just. spoke with Lucian. It was great. It was so good. That's so good.

We do want to address a few things. Okay. I think people notice Rob is not here. He's here, not so much here. Not so much here. We do have Kevin here. Hi. Introduce yourself, Kev.

I'm Kevin Bartelt. I'm the producer of the show now. You both joined HeadGum. I recorded you both on We're Here to Help. It was like one of my all-time favorite episodes. Woo. Aw. Olivia did something so insane that anytime someone's like, what's a good podcast?

I talk about a caller who wanted to meet, find out if their dentist was single or not. We pitched back and forth for like 20 minutes and eventually Olivia just went, what's the phone number? And she called and asked in a really clever way. And I sat there and was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. So very excited to be working with you both. We got a fun little team we're putting together. So good times coming up. We are so happy to have you, Kevin.

And yeah, that was a mic drop moment when Olivia pulled that on. We're here to help. I mean, that was really next level. I feel like that was a glimpse into how we spent our 20s. For real. Like prank calls. Yeah. Like we wanted to know what a guy was up to and we knew where he worked.

Like we're going to figure out if he's at work. And I'm going to figure out what kind of voice to make. Yeah. To make sure. Yeah, we would call like the hamburger hamlet. We'd call the hamlet. We'd call it. Was that place you were a hostess for like one day?

Cicely. Cicely? It wasn't one day. It was the only job I've ever had in my life, Kevin, before acting and whatnot. I was a hostess. Cool. It's how I learned north, south, east, and west, because I always had to say we are on the southwest corner of Ventura Boulevard.

So now I'm so good with direction thanks to Cicely. Ooh, I have a fun game. Yeah. So I've been studying my son's social study homework. Oh, boy. Oh, gosh. I'm just curious. Do you know the definition of the equator?

The definition. Yeah, like what's the equator? The center line of the earth. Like, I don't know. I just think about it like it's wrapped around the earth and it's the hottest spot of the globe. But I could be wrong and I'm panicking. And everyone's so subscribing. The equator definitely is that, but doesn't it, doesn't it, like, determine longitude and latitude?

What is it? It's the invisible line that separates the northern hemisphere from the southern hemisphere. Okay, Briar just learned this too, and I'm like, it's going to come back when she was doing longitude and latitude at the same time. What's the prime meridian? Oh, that is the one that goes in the center from up to down. Which is? The primaridian. It divides the east and the western hemisphere.

Oh. See, we're relearning all this stuff because you don't. I would never know this, Kevin. Hold on. If you ever invite me to trivia, I will magically get sick right before. Okay. Do you like that that's what we start. So we will not be our go-to with trivia.

Yeah, that noted. But Elliot's in third grade, Breyer's in fourth grade, and they're learning the same thing. That's interesting. That is interesting. Huh. Okay. Wow. Do you know what the capital is?

Capital of what? Like, what is the definition of a capital? Go ahead. The capital. What's the capital? the capital of a state. Yeah. It's where the government is of the state.

Yeah. Oh. That's right. Rachel's three for three. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I really love Jeopardy. It's actually my, I will sit alone and watch Jeopardy and answer all the questions. Wow.

I suck at this. They're so hard. But because I'm studying it, I'm like, oh. She has some knowledge to drop today, so she's like, only just. You have, like, personal jeopardy every day. Yeah. It's called homework. But the craziest part is my husband knows the answers.

Really? Just like from memory? Yes. I would never remember them. I'm like, what's the time? Meridian? And he's like, it's the invisible line that separates. I'm like, that's weird.

See, I didn't even remember. And we shouldn't be dating. I didn't even remember from a month ago when I learned it. But as you said it, it came back to me. But like, even a month, it's just gone. How many continents are there? Seven. Nice.

Nice. Good job, Kevin. You're back in the game. And I'm going to edit it so it sounds like Rachel said it first. How many bodies of water are the oceans? I think we have to go. Take over. 12?

Five. Oh. Five largest bodies of water. Do you guys do trivia? I love. You would kill right now because of how much. I'm a trivia, like, love. Really?

Yes. There used to be a restaurant that would just have trivial pursuit cards out on the table. And I would only go to that restaurant just because I knew those were there. Wow. I know. I did it for the first time in years a couple months, a couple weeks ago. And it's all like app based now. Like you had to download an app.

Oh, no. And it kind of took the fun out of like going up and down, like back and forth and dropping stuff off. And yeah, it's all 2025 now with the, it's like. I don't like that. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't really like it either. I have an old fashioned brain.

I feel like I should bring some trivia cards in. I would. I would fail miserably. Me too. It doesn't matter. I could do maybe like a little pop culture. Like I know who a couple people are. You know?

So the entertainment category you could do. Maybe I would be okay. That was the fun part of it. It was like the first 10 minutes of the first like two rounds were all pop culture stuff. They would play like snippets of songs. And I was like, this is fun. And then it got into like world politics and stuff. And Kevin got very quiet during the second half of the trivia.

Actually, I could probably do good. with that part right now but that's only from watching Bill Mar. Yeah. Like that's where I'm learning all my information. As you should or the Daily Show. I think he's like, I watched the Daily Show, Bill Maher and but I feel like he is really helpful in my life. Really? I, I, I, when I, I did Bill Maher's show. Yeah, I saw it. Love him. It looked like it. Oh. And we're dating now. Honestly, watch it. Yeah.

And you're like, what's going? There was a vibe? Was there a vibe? You guys were throwing fucking energy too. Stop it! I swear on my life. And so I went to the comments. Sure.

As one does. Yep. Especially if you're not in it, you can freely do that. Yeah. And everyone's like, um, is it just me or they feeling each other? Is she flirting with? There was, you guys look, you guys were like on a date. Stop.

I swear. And I was even thinking, like, does she know what she's doing? Or are you, like, naive to it? I don't know. You're like, or do you just flirt with every other man that comes in your presence? I was wondering. I don't do that. The speaking of naive to, I don't want to say vibe,

but Lucien's story of the guy assuming that there's a vibe between them. Oh, my God, you're so right. That was so damn funny. That was my favorite part of the interview. That was epic. If she was acting like Rachel in that situation. What are you trying to say? I'm just kidding.

I do not throw it out there, you guys. Everyone go watch that, Bill Maher, and please tell me what you think. Report back. I really flirt well with older men. I'm just kidding. No, there was a little energy. He was very, I enjoyed my time with him, my conversation. I will say that.

That sounded weird. I had the conversation. How much time was it? The conversation. Yeah, but that was so funny. And just like the squat in the story. Yes. Not the fact that like he was squatting.

When I told my wife the story, that was the hardest she laughed. Was specifically the squatting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was wild. It's a move. Because that's it. That's the funny part. Kevin, please go home today and just like before she enters the room just squat.

Yeah, and surprise her. Yes. Not the surprise squad. I think every woman needs a surprise squat. Oh my God, I'm dead. She would just be like, what are you doing? Oh, my God, but it's such a good callback. Yeah, it is.

I think she would be very confused. But I'll try it. I'll report back next episode. If you could just be videoing her as she walks in the room and you're squatting, so we get the real reaction. If you could possibly like pull off a squat selfie, that would be epic. It's like Eminem. What do you mean?

Eminem can squat Eminem can fucking squat Like where She tells us where he can squat Anywhere in my presence on my lap He can squat Yes Eminem you can squat

All over me You heard it here first She's awake today People I like it I've had caffeine It's really good I've always loved Eminem What's not to love

What's not to love Do you feel us on this Kevin? I like Eminem Yep I like Eminem If someone doesn't like Eminem, I don't know how I feel about them. I'm just like, wait, what? Have you seen the thing going around Instagram where he's an interview from a long time ago in 60 minutes?

Or he's talking to Anderson Coombe. Yeah, the door. The slant rhymes, right? About how orange, he's like, what do you mean? Like, you can rhyme orange with any, and he does it and he drops it. But, like, he's so smart. Yeah. Just like how he goes about thinking things.

It's really impressive. It was a cool interview. I was like Eminem. Here's a piece of trivia. Okay. When I first got sober, I was having a real. really hard time staying sober. And I was feeling like life was over and everything was going to be boring and I was going to die of boredom. That's how I felt. I was like I'm trapped into the world of

no fun. And so then I realized that Eminem was sober. And I used to write it. He sober? Yeah. Like still? Or you don't know. Yeah. Okay. I used to write it on my hand every day to remind me that if the coolest person ever is sober and thriving that I could do it too and I was still cool. Wow. Every single day I'd write M&M on, people would be like, why I do? And I'd be like, you should have tattooed that instead of your basketball tattoo. That would be amazing to, like, have no tattoos, but it's just like Eminem. Just like. I have it.

You know? What's the basketball tattoo? It's not actually a basketball. It's not a basketball or a grenade, even though it looks like both combined. It's a sigil. Do you know what a sigil is? I don't think so now. You shouldn't.

Okay. It's like an old ancient magic tool where you put the first three letters of something that you want to call in and cultivate and you make your own kind of emblem. Yeah. And then I was writing it on my wrist, so I tattooed it. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I always wanted to get the tattoo on my arm that just said, who cares?

But then Melania Trump wore a jacket that said who cares? And I was like, man, I'm so glad I didn't. Oh, my God, if you had that. Yeah. I know. That was my fear with a tattoo is that I was going to get something and then someone was. And then Melania. Yeah, exactly.

That's actually amazing. Yeah, I have no tattoos. Same. Not that I wouldn't, but like at this point in my life, I'm like, do anyone? I mean, I hate her foot tattoo. We talk about this. Do you? Yeah.

Yeah, I don't have any, but similar, like, I feel like I almost got one a couple months ago for the first time. I was like, should I get something cool? And I was like, why do I want to get a tattoo? You should do the Ben Affleck, like Phoenix on your back? I don't know. I want if it was like some sort of something with my family would be fun or like a phrase or something. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of go back and forth on it.

Like life store? Like what kind of? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Maybe like if my wife and I have kids, like my kids name or something like that. That's always a good go-to because you know you'll always want that. For sure. I will say my husband's dad.

Jeff's dad got 400 tattoos after his wife passed, but one of them, he got the outline of their home. That to me is amazing. Because his children grew up in that home. I'm like, that I can get behind. That's really cool. It's so cool. Yeah, unlike the heart on your foot.

She's just jealous. Not to spoil it, but we have an upcoming guest who has a lot of cool tattoos. That's right. And he's the coolest. Yeah, I was very distracted. I don't think there's anyone. I mean, we said M&M. Eminem, but like, you know.

I don't know. Had I known Kurt Sutter was so good. I would have written Kurt Sutter on my hand every day. Did you imagine if you, like, put your sleeve up a little and he was like, is that my name? Yes. That would have been amazing. You know what's funny is one night I went out? When Eminem comes on the podcast, you're just going to have to have, you're going

have to get the tattoo before. On my, if it just on your eye. I remember once I really liked this guy. I had a major crush on him. and I ran into him out one night and on his arm in Sharpie or Black Ink really big was my phone number

and I was like and he's like yeah it's your phone number I was like I love you marry me let's have kittens okay so anyone listening that was a move that was a move we really appreciate a move

yeah but like it has to be like a move like that not like not a surprise squat Unless you're Eminem. Not a squat. But like, it has to be like a move that's like such. Like what was, there's, you have so many stories, but there's one we can't tell. But it's fine. Anyway, not a transparent move.

I unknowingly, this was, I would say it was like a mini move. But on me and my wife's first date, I had like a jacket that was like we were, we saw a concert. Actually, I would say I did a cool move of I asked where she lived. She's at Highland Park at the time. I showed up. And I showed up. I was like, oh, one of my friends is playing a concert Friday night in Highland Park. Do you want to go?

And she was like, sure. So we got drinks. I had a jacket. We went and saw the show. It was really warm in the show. So I took the jacket off. And then I think I was like, oh, yeah, I don't know what to do with this jacket. And then kind of was like, do you want it or something?

And so she wore it around her waist on our first date. And so there's like pictures of us. And she's like wearing my jacket and stuff. And that's fun. And she still to this day? Where's the jacket? I don't know what happened to that jacket. It was a minute ago.

But she had it for a while, yeah. That's sweet. Yeah, it was not even like a conscious move. It was just kind of like, oh, what should I do with this jacket? And she was like, in hindsight, it was like, that was a move. That was a move. Yeah. She tied it around her waist.

Yeah. You were like, what should I do with this? Like, you gave it to her. Yeah. But the fact that she tied around her waist is really cute. Like that was her move that was like, I'm a wifey. Sorry. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, I'm taking that from you. Yeah. That was more her move. That I think are my moves that she was like, that was me. Yeah, I believe it. Because the Jedi mind tricks. It is. Women are really good at that.

To make me think that it was my move. Yeah. How do you think we get you guys? We manipulate. It's true. I know. But human nature is just a bunch of manipulation, isn't it? Yeah.

Sure. I mean, it is. Right. Whether you're doing it on purpose or on accident, it's a manipulation. Mm-hmm. That's all life is. Wow. So many of my parents' moves with each other are that where it's like, let's let dad think that this was his idea or mom needs to be the one to say this before we can do that.

Classic. Yeah, it's fascinating. Classic move. It is fascinating. I've been getting really into watching this woman who's a body language expert. Ooh, I like that. It's so good. Yeah.

So this, right here. You know what this means? What does that mean? That's a power move. That's a big dick. That is. You got the fingert. Touching.

Yeah, but you can't do this. You can't do this because then you're Dr. Evil. Yeah. Right? But this is like I'm really thinking about it. I'm considering it. She also talked about how we always have to see someone's hands. So like when you enter a room, you're,

Hi. Because the signals that go off in our brain, if you can't see someone's hands, signals threat. Wow. Right. And so when we do this, we're saying, I don't have a weapon. Like put your hands up. Literally.

It goes back to caveman days of being like, I'm unarmed. Like, you're safe. Wow. That's so interesting. And she said not even just showing your hands, but open palms. Like let people see your palms. I haven't moved from this position, by the way. Because you're a powerhouse.

I'm not exaggerating. I do the opposite sometimes where I will put my hands behind my back and kind of like link. Yeah. And I think it might be a similar, like, to try to show like, I, it's like almost showing my whole body to be like, I don't even know. But sometimes you'll probably see it like when I'm standing. Sometimes I'll just put my hands behind my back. But it probably now in hindsight people are like, what is he hiding from us? Yeah.

What are you hiding? I don't know. Yeah. I love who you just pulled out like, you know, a burrito. A burrito. I wish. Oh my God. That would make my day.

That would be a game changer. A surprise squat burrito. A surprise burrito squad room. We should do that with our guests. Just be like, here's a burrito if you eat it. I thought you're just going to pull out things you're hiding from behind you're back. No, I love giving people a burrito as they leave. Just like

you know you're probably hungry. Yeah. You know that's, that's a move. That's a move. That's a move. That's a move. You guys, we have solved everything today. Depending on the time, like, if it's early, they get a breakfast burrito. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Wait, I think we need to work this into everything. I really like it. When we have in-person guests, just be like,

by the way, here's your burrito. See what they say. Oh my God, no. Wow. Let's do it. I mean, everyone, we're going to get proposed to. We should get a little sticker that says broad ideas. It's going to get really weird. Two, if we could put a little broad ideas. Broad burritos.

Broad burritos. Yes. I'm trying to think it's on the burrito ideas. But yeah, broad burritos. We got it. Yeah, we're like, here's the parking situation. By chance, like, do you like cheese? I don't know.

Yeah. Just throw it in there. Do you eat onions? Yeah. But this is the kind of, in the burrito or out of the brito. The gorilla marketing we need were like the amount of people. Like the amount of people who would leave and go, they gave me a burrito. True.

We would have a million people who would want to do this show every single week. Anyone who wants to write in to our Instagram handle, TikTok, whatever, and say, can you write in on TikTok? I don't know. Yeah, you can comment. Okay. Okay. Let us know. About the burrito.

Yeah. I love it. Love it. I'm very excited. We're very excited. Everyone hates it. But who? Who's going to hate a burrito?

That's more telling about you. Yeah. That's more telling about you. We are the broad burritos. You've got to check yourself in the mirror. The broad burritos. Okay, this is amazing. We're just doing a cute little short one today.

We wanted to introduce Kevin. We also want to say, Rob, we're still friends, everything. He's going to come by, like, when he can. He's very busy. Very busy. Very busy. But he definitely will come by at some point. But we want to just everyone to know.

We still love Rob. He still loves us. We're still friends. But we have our Kevin and everything's great. Rob and I swapped shows. You did. He's working on We're here to help, but I'm working on Broad Ideas. That's right. That's right. Good things for 2020.

Clearly you got the better deal. Obviously. But yeah. But thanks everyone and we're so happy and we are so happy to introduce Kevin here and everything else. And we will not be slacking off on the post because I know that. No, we're back. I know. It was it was there was some times that happened and things happened and transitions happened also at the same time with the other craziness. So. Like social media posts? Well, no. like our part at the end of the podcast

because people are like that's what I want to hear yep yep we give the people what they want posts and burritos that's right post burritos

post burritos if you feel like writing in your favorite burrito you know we'll happily read it let us know we're here to help thanks everyone

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