Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Mayci Neeley on The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

Rachel and Olivia chat with Mayci Neeley (The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives) about growing up fast, finding her own path with faith and MomTok, and creating the family and career she loves today.Check out her new memoir Told You So out now!Watch the video of this episode here!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Because people die. Welcome to broad ideas. You can't be silent. She's such a jerk sometimes. I was dancing. She was dancing for those who can't see her. I'm in my closet with my many jeans. Anyways, today we have Macy Neely.

You may know her from Secret Lives of Mormon Wife. And I'm very excited to talk to her. And so is Olivia, even though she's not talking. Oh my God, I hate when she does this. It's so annoying. But look what it does to you. It's really annoying. It wakes you up, gets your cortisol going.

I'm awake. All right. Let's just talk to Macy. I'd rather. Such an asshole. Thank you so much for being here, Macy. We're so excited to meet you. I'm so excited.

This is going to be so fun. So fun. I, you know, was catching up on everything you. And wow, what a ride you have had. Yeah, quite the thing. Quite the time, that's for sure. Yeah. And you're so young.

I'm like, the life you've lived, said, you're so young. Yeah, I feel like I've lived many lives in my 30 years. Yeah. You're 30. Yeah, I just turned 30 in February. That's so young. I know. I know it doesn't, that's probably annoying to hear because you're like, I'm a grown adult with children and a life and a career.

But 30 is, it's very fresh. Well, I feel like, when I. I turned 30. I was like, oh my gosh. I almost like, because it's like a new decade. It almost was kind of scary. Like I woke up like not happy on my 30th birthday. But like, now I, everyone says like your 30s are the best though. So I'm excited for this new chapter. They said like 30s and 40s I heard, but I don't know. Well, we can tell you because we're from the future. Yeah. What do you, what do you think? You tell me. 30s are good. 40s are great. Okay, that's what I've been hearing too. So I'm like, Okay, it's like something to look forward to as well.

Because I'm like sometimes like in society, probably I'm on TikTok a lot. Everyone's like, oh my gosh, you're born in the 90s. You're so old. I'm like, what? I'm like, stop. People are just like, it's because it's all like the younger Gen Z. And so they're like, you could be my mom. And I'm like, okay.

So then it makes me feel older, even though I'm not. But right. Yeah. But you are a young mom and you were a very young mom. Yes. With your first child. Yes. Yes, very young.

And how crazy because you grew up in Mormon. I mean, you're Mormon. Like you grew up in obviously getting pregnant at a young age, I'm sure it was very challenging for many reasons. Yes, many, many reasons. And I also didn't want to be a mom that young. Like I, even though like being Mormon, I feel like having a baby at the age that I did, now it's like, I don't want to say fairly normal, but there's people here who do choose to have babies that young, which is kind of crazy to me. But I was like, oh, I would love to have a kid at like 28. Like when I get married at like 25, 26, my 7, whatever, I have a kid at 28.

So for me getting pregnant at young, I was like, this is not what I imagined for my future at all. Well, of course, it couldn't be. And then losing the father and the way you did, I'm sure, was also not part of your plan. Oh, definitely not part of the plan. Like I literally felt like I was living in like someone. else is life. I was like, this is not the life I expected because you kind of, when you're younger, you kind of have like, okay, this is what I'm going to do and I'm going to do this and this and this. And then I'll get married and all these things. And so I had like kind of a life plan, I guess,

in my subconscious that it was not going to plan. And I was like, what is happening, you know? That's one of those things that I think happens to most people at some point in their life, where the things you see on the news are no longer just things you see on the news. Yeah. Right? And that is one of those moments where you're like, oh, that's not just out there anymore. Yeah, like it happened to me. Like it didn't feel real until it all happened to me. And even when my son's father passed away, I was like seeing all the news articles because it was a car crash. And it's like they're just reporting like he's not even like a real human that like meant something to me. Like it's just like, oh, there's a crash. There's going to be traffic on this route. And I'm like, no, it's a crash because

he died. Like, and that like that person, means something to me. So I feel like it was like, I don't like, they kind of like really desensitize it. And like what? Like these are real people that like you care about. So I feel like that was also hard like seeing all the news on it. And it was like mainly news because there was the crash and like the whole canyon was blocked off. And like yeah, they said like someone dive. And I'm like, no, that's like my someone. Yeah. It's like it was like really hard to like see that. Because I'm like, I don't know. It's just like they report it so nonchalantly that I'm like, wait, like hello. So like I think that was hard. And I was also doing like I was in.

broadcast journalism as my major. So like I feel like even more so that like one like kind of deterred me from wanting to do it. I still did it for most of college, but I was like, I don't want to do hard news. Like that is like the most it's not the most depressing job, but it kind of felt that way because you're always reporting on like tragedy and like that's what they look for. And so I was like, ah, just a lot, you know. Yeah. Give us the timeline of events, just for everyone listening who haven't read your book or, you know. Yeah. Or watch the show. or watch the show, yeah. Yeah.

It was like from college and stuff, like from the beginning of college. Wherever you want, really. You can take us through it. It's your timeline. Okay. Okay. Well, I'll kind of start. Yeah, like nothing really too crazy goes on in high school, but got a tennis scholarship

to play full ride tennis. And so I went to BYU, Brigham Young University, for those who don't know, went there in a full ride tennis scholarship. My sister was actually the head coach there. So that's kind of why I decided to go there because it wasn't. BYU like wasn't a ranked school for tennis, but like I was recruited by like top 10, top 20 schools for tennis. Like tennis was my whole life and you don't really see that on the show either if you watch it. Like some people don't even know.

But like that is kind of like my identity and both my sisters were do you want tennis players. My sister ended up being the full or sorry, the head coach for BYU. So I ended up going there, keep it in the family now. I'm like, oh, like my sister's like, you don't have a choice. You're coming here. So I went to BYU and I was in an abusive relationship. my freshman year and that kind of started in high school and went into my freshman year. So I went through an abusive relationship my first year there and that was really rough. I went through a lot through that.

And then I'm just making a long story short. And then I met, I got out of that eventually, met my son's father and then he passed away in a car accident when I was almost 14 weeks pregnant. So it was quite the roller coaster. So that was all between like freshman and sophomore year. And I left BYU. I think it was winter semester of sophomore year and went back to my parents' house in Orange County to kind of like figure out what I was doing with my life because I was like I don't know what's going on. Like I feel like it was like the train derailed and I was like where am I going? What am I going to do for my job? Am I going back to school? Am I playing tennis? Like I thought my life was over and like for a lot of people that's, I mean for a lot of people they don't have as many options as I did.

So like I do say this in the book, but I do feel very privileged that I did have like parents who could support me and like that I had all. options. Like, so I ended up keeping my son and my, um, parents were the ones who kind of encouraged me like, hey, like, you don't have to like stay here. Like, you can go back to college. Like, you can play D1.10. I's like, we'll support you, you know. I am the baby, the family. So I do feel like, I kind of had that luxury where my parents were like, my mom was a stay at home mom. So she's like, well, I don't, she's not really doing anything anyways. She's like, I'll just come with you. So then my mom came like up to Utah with me from Orange County and like lived with me and like helped me that first year. And then the second year, she still lived with me, but like, I would use a babysitter

too. So it kind of said she didn't really have like to watch my son 24-7. So, because it's hard. Like doing D1 sports while being, um, like a student as well. Like my entire day was like booked. Like I was getting four hours of sleep every single night. Like it was insane. But I was young. So I feel like I could thrive off that. Like I was fine now. Like when I get less of, I'm like, I want to die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of it in like a nutshell. Right. Wow. I mean, I can't even, you're like D1, tennis, college and a new mom. All in one. It's a lot for sure. Where does the Mormon aspect come in? Like was your family practicing Mormons? Yeah. And yeah. Take us through that a little bit and what it was like to, because I know people,

that grew up Mormon, my mom's husband grew up Mormon and he left the Mormon church and they're married now, but I know there's a lot of different, I don't know, lack of better word, rules that go along with it. And what was that like for you at that age to make those kind of decisions and how did that shape inform you? Yeah, that was interesting now that I think about it. like that I like that I yeah so I um grew up like yeah like Mormon and stuff but like my family and I always say this like we're like the chill Mormons like California Mormons are a bit different than Mormons who are from Utah I will just put that there um so like I think most Mormon households like they're not watching radar movies like it's like modesty like there's no tank tops really

things like that and those are kind of just like the general guidelines it's not like a rule but like in my household like we did all those things so I played tennis a lot on Sundays instead of church because I was wanting to get a D1 scholarship and so my parents were like we had to play tournaments in the weekend or else you're never going to be a D1 athlete so I grew up playing tennis on the weekends like I wore the tube top dresses to school dances and the bikinis like I had like a normal childhood like most of my friends weren't Mormon like they were different religions like Catholic like Christian Jewish like different religions and so I'm actually super grateful for that because I feel like a lot of people who grow up in Utah kind of live in this bubble of like it's all

Mormons and like that's what you're surrounded by and you don't really know any different. So I do love that I was raised and I just being Mormon was never part of my identity. I feel like it has become more part of it because of the show. Like I've never talked about being Mormon so much my entire life because it just feels like normal. Like my family thing it's like really different. Like we don't drink. We're not supposed to drink or like do drugs or have sex before marriage. Like those are like the biggest like guidelines or rules if you want to call them. But my childhood was like normal. But I went to BYU and like I'll be honest, I was a very innocent kid.

Like I had kissed like five boys going into college. Like I never really did anything like outside of marriage. Like I was like very innocent. I went to BYU and that's where things changed, which is crazy because BYU is a Mormon school. And you have to sign an honor code that says like you're not going to break these rules. And so, which is so funny, my parents would have never suspected that go to BYU and end up pregnant.

But here we are. Yeah. So my parents were still like fairly chill, I would say. And then I mean, of course, though, they were just not wanting me to break like, I guess the major guidelines, which are like drinking and like sex before marriage. And those are like kind of like the biggest ones where it's like, stay away from that. You know, my parents. My mom just told me grandups like, don't have sex.

Like you'll get pregnant. And I was like, great. Like I wasn't really like educated on sex and stuff. So I feel like I just kind of playing with fire once I was, you know, dealing with all that. And like there wasn't a lot of resources for me either. So like, um, like plan. parenthood, for example, was like, there was only one of them. It was in Salt Lake. And they had, like, really weird hours. So, like, the hours that they had, I had class in tennis. So I could never, like,

go and get on birth control when I was actually active. And then I was like, well, if I use my parents' insurance, they're going to know. I'm like, like, why did you go to the OV? And I was just like, I felt like I'd have a ton of options. So I'd, like, try my best. But clearly, that did not work for me. But when I did tell my parents, um, I was pregnant, my dad kind of just, like, knew, like on the phone who's like, are you pregnant? Like, he just like has the parent sense, I guess. And then my mom was not happy. She was like, yeah. Like, my mom's more emotional, though, you know? And then my dad's more like, like, okay, like, nothing we can do about it. Like, let's figure out how are going to move forward. My mom's more just like, I just can't

believe you would do that. Like, I can't believe that. But she got over it eventually. And my dad actually just read my book and he was like saying how proud he is of me and stuff. And he's like going through all of that, like made our family like better. Like you like we all became like better people like going through like your trials together too because the Mormon culture can be judgmental. Like it can be very judgmental. So it's like I think my parents even like they I don't, I would never consider them judgmental people. But I think like until I got pregnant, it really just like opened their minds and being like wow like no one's perfect. Like everyone goes through things like, you know, I think it really changed everyone in my family for the better. And so I mean,

it was definitely like hard for them at first. Like they didn't. didn't really know what to do, like, and how to navigate it. Like, back in the day, in their time, they were like, when people get pregnant outside of marriage, like, they'd just, like, ship them off to, like, a farm with their aunt and they'd come back and be like, everything's great, you know? And so, like, that's kind of how it was, like, in their era. So, like, they didn't really know. They're like, okay, like, we just kind of navigated it together. And I think they did the best that they could with, like, what they're, what they'd experience in their life. I mean, there's certain things that I'm like, oh, I wish it wasn't like this or that. But I think

they did their best and honestly they were so supportive of me like um i think it took a little bit for my mom to be to be like okay like i think she just like it randomly hit her that i was pregnant and i was like home from school and she's like oh my goodness but like and then like she just like i don't know she didn't care my son like my son she treats like her actual child like she thinks it's like her last baby like even to this day like he is the favorite of hers like it's very evident so um and so yes honestly my parents like as hard as it probably was when I first told them just because they probably also had this like idea for my life and stuff and it wasn't what was going on. I think that was obviously really hard for them too. But like they

navigated it really well and like they always supported me. They always gave me a choice. Like it's your choice. If you want to do adoption, we'll support you. If you want to keep the baby, we'll support you. Like whatever you choose, it's your decision. Um, so I am super grateful for that because I know not everyone was in that position. So overall, like it ended up being, I think the best it could be compared to maybe other Mormon family. right and how old is your son now he just turned 10 last week so like it's so crazy i know it's like i just can't believe he's getting so big and he's like so fun he's so sweet that's the same exact age as olivia's oldest yeah he's about well he's turning 10 this weekend on sunday oh my god yeah yeah

it's so crazy i feel like i don't know if it's a firstborn thing because i feel like my son you know how they say like middle child energy yeah my firstborn has middle child energy but like also like first kid energy. It's like, I can't explain it. He's like so wild, so out there, but then he's also just like the protector as well. It's like so interesting to see how these like kids like mold into little like adults almost. Like I feel like he's a teenager, but he's like 10, like the way he talks and stuff. Same. But I do account it to the fact that like I was a single mom so I can have any friends that had kids. So I think like he kind of grew up with adults like when he was little. So he kind of like acts like one already. And how do you feel about going

back to your decision and with the church and everything you went through, I've always been fascinated by religion, like obsessed, fascinated, love to learn all about all the different kinds. Yeah. And the one thing I always question is when you make those choices, like it sounds like you had to support a family and everything, but what was that like internally for you? Did you experience shame and think, oh, shit, I'm going to go to hell now or I don't know if they believe in heaven or hell or whatever it is. But like, was that spiritually hard on you? Or did you feel comfortable with your choices to have sex? Like, what would you be teaching

your children? Are you teaching them? Yeah. No alcohol. Caffeine, tattoos, sex. Like, what is your moral stance on all of it today? Um, I think for me, like, with my stance today is, like, I am still active in the church, but like my kids will be raised, kind of how I would. was where it's like a more chill environment like it's not going to be like oh and you have to do this and this like it's not going to be like according to like all the little things in the church I would say like I have tattoos um most people in the church actually drink caffeine like that one is kind of like it's not necessarily a myth like I don't know how to explain it because all of them everyone drinks soda but like it's just kind of like they don't want you drinking coffee which

I don't know why I have no idea it doesn't make sense to me so I do drink coffee because I'm like this is actually probably healthier than drinking a sauce. soda with artificial flavor. Totally. So like that one doesn't make sense. So like I, yeah, I don't follow that one at all. But as far as like sex and drinking and things like that, I feel like with me, I wish I was more educated on that. So like I'm still going to be like, hey, like probably let's not do this for these reasons because like I think from my experience, like I learned from my experiences and I kind of understood, hey, it's probably not great to have sex or marriage because you can't get pregnant. And also like it creates feelings deeper.

feelings when you're like involved like that that makes it hard you know so certain things like that where but then like my kid does do it like that's okay like i'm never going to judge them i think my stance is like even with alcohol being like i don't want you to drink but like if you do like please tell me so i can help you like i never want you to drive drunk like i never want you to be in a position where you feel uncomfortable like let me come be there for you or pick you up things like that so i feel like i just want to have more open conversations rather than like growing up for me is like, just don't do it. It's like, I want to like talk about it and make it like known in my house.

Like these are things and they're normal, but like, for free, don't do it. But if you do it, I know we all make mistakes, like, come to me. Like, I'm here for you. So, like, just having a very open environment for my kids is very important to me. And as far as, like, me when I was doing all that stuff, like, I did feel a lot of guilt and shame for sure. Like, that was definitely a heavy feeling for me. But, like, I didn't think like, oh, I'm going to hell or anything like that.

Like, I did feel the guilt and, like, the shame. and like the shame. I did feel when I had sex for a different partner, I was like, oh my gosh, like, who's going to want me now? Because I've had sex with two people. Like, I did feel the shame and guilt of that being like, oh, my gosh. Because like in the church, I think some of the blame and stuff falls on the women where it's like, oh, I should be more pure and like I shouldn't tempt the men and like all those things. I'm like, I do not follow that. Like, I am not going to be like that in my kids. And my mom like wasn't, but like it was kind of ingrained at a lot of the young women growing up in the church. I will.

And so, like, that's never going to be a thing in my household or part of, like, the way I feel. So I think, like, the church is becoming more progressive, especially with, like, even our show and, like, our voices. And I'm hoping that can help in those certain situations because, yeah, no, it's not. I don't think it's a positive for women, like, growing up. So I think I'm just take, I don't want to say I'm picking and choosing certain things I want to follow. But, like, my belief with my religion is, like, let's focus my religion around God and Jesus and, like, be a good. good person, a good neighbor, and like charity and things like that. And then I think that's what's most important to me with my religion, you know, not necessarily because I know a lot of the churches

like the Book of Mormon and things like that. And that obviously is a part of it. But I like to take the core like fundamentals, which is kind of Christian, like the Christian aspects of the religion. Right, right. Well, and you were speaking before, which like, and I think personally, I think it's awesome, like the openness with your children and everything. Yeah. You're trying to find birth control, but you can't go to your parents with it. Yeah. That in itself, right? And I know everyone's different in how you grow up and the religion and everything plays a part.

Yeah. But I do think it's cool that you're like willing to have those open conversations. So, you know, they feel comfortable coming to you. Yeah. Yeah. I remember growing up my best friend in elementary school was Mormon. And I would go with her sometimes to the church and their functions and everything. And she was probably.

like the first person to start like doing stuff. Yeah. You know, with boys and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, which was like interesting. And I don't think she could ever have that. Or maybe she could. I don't know.

But I just like grew up around it a lot. And yeah. It's just like an interesting dynamic. But yeah. The way you're, yeah, the way you're modeling it now is to have those open relationships with your children. And I feel like you have to. because like and I my dad I also was like more chill like I he found out I was like doing stuff with

my first boyfriend and stuff and it was like hey I get it like you're a teenager like you have these hormones like it's normal it's natural like so I think too like he did approach it well with me when he she know found that out and stuff but I think too it's just like making your kid feel comfortable to come to you is like very important to me and like my parents were fairly open like my dad did tell me like hey if you ever mess up like you can come to me but I just was like so deep in the thick of it I just still didn't feel like comfortable enough to do that because I don't know. Like I just didn't want to get in trouble.

My parents like yank me from college being like, you're screwed around. Like come back home. You need to chill for a little bit. So I was like, I don't want to do that. I was like having fun, you know? Yeah. Well, clearly your parents are extremely supportive. I mean, your mom moved to Utah with you to take care, help take care of your baby.

And clearly they're super supportive parents, which is amazing. Yeah. And also, I do think that if your job as a Mormon girl is to not. tempt the men, you guys are failing miserably. Because like if we just look at the show and we look at mom talk and we look at all of that, it's like, and I like that. I'm like you're bucking the system in a sense that you're allowed to be this religious woman. You're allowed to be a mom and you're still allowed to be hot and fun.

And you're not trying to conform to what, you know, is expected of you. So talk to us about how the whole. whole mom talk and the show. Like, I know there's so much drama that surrounds it and, you know, just hip us to that a bit. Yeah, I mean, so it's interesting. Hit us. We're in our 40s. I love it. I was doing social media basically, like, while doing a full-time job. And I was like, you know, I wanted to eventually take social media full-time because I wanted to be with my kids more and have more freedom and, like, not being in an office, nine to five. And so I was doing social media, I was doing the TikTok thing and I had like 1.2 million followers or something on

TikTok just from like posting a lot during quarantine, doing all the things, you know. So many guys. I know. It's kind of wild. It's like I, so I was doing that and then I got invited to mom talk because I was friends with Miranda and Taylor. And so I went to do a mom talk day. And at first I was like, I don't know if I can do this like mom talk stuff.

Because I'm like, they like were making like these hot mom videos and their crop tops. And I was like, I don't know. Like, we'll fit in. Like I'm not like. a hot mom like them. I was like all embarrassed. And then, um, so I went to take my first mom talk day and they're like, oh, wear like a white crop top with these like, with your black yoga pants. And I was like, I don't have a white crop top. And so I like had this white like sports bra. So I was like I wore that, but I had to put a jacket over. Cause I'm like, wait, I feel like I'm like I feel so like

naughty years. I don't know why. Like it's becoming a mom. I feel like I got so used to just like, I don't know. I feel like sometimes you guys probably relate. Like you almost kind of lose yourself sometimes in motherhood and like you forget like yourself and like what you want and how you want to feel. And so I feel like, I always have that side to me where I want to like, you know, feel sexy and things like that. But I just kind of like lost it when I became a mom and I was like, oh, like moms don't do that anymore. Because like that was just kind of the stereotype, right? And like my boobs are for milk. Yeah.

No, exactly. I know. I'm like, I'm resting right now too. So that definitely feels like. I'm like, don't touch. Like my husband. Exactly. Things change.

They do. I do. And so I feel like when I did join mom. talk. At first I was like, oh my gosh, like I felt like a little insecure. And then like, as time went on, like, wait, no, like I can be like Macy, like the old me, like the one that wants to feel hot and sexy and like have fun and like stuff like that. And I just had so much fun. I was like, this is fun. Like I like met so many friends doing it and it just became like a good time. And then obviously like the swinging scandal happened. And it was like, well, this is crazy. Like it was not a part

of it. Like I kind of had a feeling it might be going on. I got like a weird vibe. And so I kind of guessed it before it happened. And then, what? Yeah, I know. Yeah. So, like, to make a long story short, I was talking to, like, one of the husbands and I were DMing because we were, like, friends. We, like, went on a double day.

And then, like, all this stuff. I was like, oh, like, it's fun. He invited me to a cabin party. And I was like, oh, Jacob, like, would that be fun to go to? Like, and I was like, should I bring ski clothes? Like, I thought we would be, like, going skiing or, like, tubing, like, outdoor winter sports or something. And they're like, oh, no, like, Bruce could, like, kind of chill on the house.

house and I was like, oh, I got the vibe that like, they were kind of just be like partying and stuff in which I'm like, it's fine. Like, me and my husband both used to party like, we're comfortable around alcohol, like, we're not weird, you know? And, um, but then the wife was like kind of like, oh, you know, I don't know if there's been enough beds for you and blah,

blah, but the husband that night before told me like, oh, there's so much room. There's like 40 rooms or something. So I was like, okay, I'm getting the vibe that like, I'm getting uninvited without them saying that, which makes, so I was like totally fine. when she said that, I was like, oh, don't worry. Like, my nanny can't come anyways. Like, don't even worry, even though that was alive.

I was like, I feel weird. Like, I don't feel like we should go. Like, I don't know. And so we didn't go, which I'm so grateful for now. But anyways, yeah, then the swinging scandal comes out. But I kind of had the feeling after that. I was like, wait, what did they're swingers? Like, before the scandal came out.

Like, based on my interaction, I just got a weird vibe. Like, I don't know. But then I was like, well, they're so young. Like, these people are, like, 25. Like, why, like, usually when people are swinging, they're, like, older, right? thought like typically stereotypically. And so I was like, oh, it's probably silly. I don't want to start any rumors. But I remember telling like Michaela and Whitney who also in mom talk, like what if they were in swingers? Like something's weird. Like something weird going on.

And how many of them were there again? In mom talk or this one? No, no, no, no. In the swinging scandal. Like how many couples were there where you're like, gee? So like obviously Taylor. Yeah. Taylor and then like Miranda. And then I didn't know the other people involved. Got it. It was like they were. it and won't talk. And so, but like, from that interaction, I was like, something feels weird. Like, and I was like, but there's fingers. But I was like, I don't want to start any rumors.

Like, don't tell anyone I said this, you know. And then literally, I think it was a month later, the whole scandal came out. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I knew it. I was like, this is crazy. Like, my intuition's so good. But, um, what's the scandal. I don't even know what the scandal is. Rachel, Sarah Bilsen.

I know. Get with it, dude. You're going to have a whole, like, like. deep dive. A hole to go through after this. You got to go through like a whole. You got to watch the videos or the coming out. It's like a whole thing.

Oh, okay. It's really good. Then I have stuff to watch. Well, that's like how we even got a show kind of. It's like we were doing the mom talk stuff. And then like the swinging scandal happened. And then like all these producers were like reaching out like, you want to make this a show, blah, blah, like a mom talk thing.

And like so anyways, like there's a couple girls that are involved in this like swinging scandal. It was soft swinging. move. They weren't like having sex. Wait, what? What's soft swinging? Can you please? Like no intercourse, right? So it's like, yes, they're like, no intercourse, basically. It's like, they're, like, making out of their husbands. Like, some people,

like, I think, like, Miranda was only, like, making out and stuff like that, but, like, Taylor was doing more than that, but they weren't having sex when they were swapping, I guess. It's like a whole rabbit hole. Okay. Who's the next Bachelorette? Taylor. Yeah. A Taylor's the one who made the video

coming out. Which, didn't feel fair that it felt like a coming out of all of you, but all of you weren't involved. So there was a- Coming out as swingers. Yeah, she basically went on a TikTok live and was like, everyone was having sex with everyone. She was like, it was saying this whole thing. But like everyone thought it was like all of Mom Talk, which it wasn't. It was like her and another girl in Mom Talk and then like other people that we, Mom Talk didn't even know. So it made us all look like Swingers anyways.

but um so she was married though and now obviously she's not because she's going on the bachelor's yeah so she got divorced because basically like they were soft swinging and taylor kind of stepped out of her like arrangement with her husband like their agreement that they had you know and she took it further with one of the people one of the guys that they were swinging with um and so they got divorced and then um i think i'm the only person like in this country that doesn't know the details you are oh my god you know that's it we found her it's it's it's I have, you don't understand how long I've had the show downloaded on my iPad to binge on an airplane. Oh my gosh.

Yes. For so long. I know. I finally did it. I did it. I was like, I had a moment and I was like in between shows. And I was like, let me just see what this is, this whole swinging thing is about. And I lived in a community not that long ago where I found out that there was a bunch of swingers.

Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah. And I felt really. really bad that nobody invited me. I wouldn't have done it, but I want to be invited. I'm like, why didn't they invite us? Like, what's wrong with us?

What the heck? How rude. Like, I feel like we would be people you should invite, but no. But they didn't choose. It's okay. That's okay. Maybe in the future in a different. I just would like to be, I would like to be invited and I would like to decline the invitation, but I still want the invitation.

Yeah, and you want to feel wanted, right? Like, how did you feel when they canceled your bedroom? Where you kind of like, well, no, I was grateful after. Because I was like, I didn't know if we're swinging. That's when I got the vibe after. I was grateful because I'm like, well, then everyone would have thought I was involved. Because people online were like sleuths and they were like, at this part, they were like finding old pictures and like trying to piece things together

of like who was involved and stuff. And so I was like, I'm glad that I'd even have to like defend myself because like, I was just like, I'm not a swinger. were good. Like, and people still thought I was, like, and other girls in mom talk, even though we were, like, not involved at all. But, like, if I would have been there, even though I wouldn't have been part of it, like, they probably would have been like, oh, she's guilty.

Like, they would have probably still thought, like, oh, she was part of it. You know what I mean? Because people get that perception. So I was kind of glad I never went to one of those because I'd have been guilty by association. But at the same time, I couldn't care less. I'm like, well, I didn't do it. So, like, you could think what you want. And that's kind of my personality.

But anyways, that was the whole scandal. And then from there, we had all these producers reaching out to do a show. And my management was like, let me handle it. So they got us like with the best like production company. And like then they got us with Hulu and stuff. And then it turned into a show. So we did the pilot in, I think it was October, 22, or end of September, 2022. And then we filmed the season January of 2024.

Yeah. Wow. For like a year. But like it's kind of like, it's actually shocking to me like how much people like it. because it's like, I don't know. Like, when you're part of something, you're like, is it like that interesting.

Like, I don't know. Like, I watch it some of the news. All right. Like, I don't know. The people, like, love it for some reason. I don't get it, but it's my favorite kind of TV.

I love reality television. Like, I'm so excited. Like, it's really been, like, the top of my list to binge it. Um, and yeah,

everyone is obsessed. Didn't like Milakunis recently come out and say she's like, yeah. She was like, ask me anything. I know everything about it. I was like, what?

Like, this is so crazy. the only kind I like though. I don't like the competition-y love is, like none of that interests me. But I like watching, like I liked your show because it's foreign. I think anything that's different, like even when the Kardashians first came out, the reason we liked it is because it's not our day-to-day life, right? Yeah, yeah. And so you're getting a glimpse into how other people live.

And my whole thing is like, you guys are all moms, but all your hair is done, your makeup done. I'm like, what do, how? Because I feel like Utah's kind of like that. Like I feel like growing up in California, I don't know. Like I, most of my days I don't wear makeup. Like if I have interviews or things like that, like I will. But like, I don't know. I feel like it's a different vibe growing up in California. Like you're by the beach. Like you're kind of just like, I'm always in swept hands and things. But in Utah, I feel like all the women are like so done up like Barbie dolls. Like they're going to the grocery store, like full makeup hair. And my mom is

from Utah. So I feel like growing up, she was kind of like that. So like even now, like, I went to go film the other day and we were me and her like out like shopping and stuff. And she was like, I got called to film and she was like, maybe we should just run home so you could put some makeup on. I was like, I'm going like this. I don't care. I'm like, I had no makeup on. I was like, I literally could give two shits. I'm going the way I am. I don't need to go put makeup on because also that's real life. And so I think that's why people do like our show is because most of us just like, you know, a lot of us don't even watch reality TV. Like I don't actually like and so i think that's why people like the show is because it's not like

no one's trying super hard to like overcompensate for cameras right and to like fight or throw drinks like everyone's just kind of like doing their thing and like what happens happens naturally but um i think it's because we just share anything like because it's just like what we do normally in our real lives like all of us are pretty much open books we probably share too much and so i think that's why the show does so well is because that's just kind of like who we are and we don't i'm not saying in other shows they put on a face for the camera but i feel like we kind of of just doing what we do, you know? And it works, I guess.

Yeah. What are the shows that you watch? I do love, like, scripted shows. Like, I'm trying to think, like, ones that I really like. I love, I always love Breaking Bad. There's, like, an OG vampire diaries, Ozark. I like, kind of, like, darker ones, too. Like, I love Ozark, The Last Kingdom.

You know, I love, like, some good, just, like, regular TV. Drama, yeah. I don't really watch reality TV. Like, I did watch some of, like, the Dazarker. dating ones. Like, I watch like too hot to handle and like those ones. I, not all the time now. I feel like I watched their first seasons and now I'm like, I don't know.

But I do love a good, like, I like shows that like I have to keep watching in order for it to make sense. Like comedies for some reason don't get me because I'm like, well, I can pick up episode like season two, episode five and it's fine. I need a show that like I have to watch an order because like that makes it so it's like, you're captivated, right? Like I need that. So I do love shows and movies. Like I love entertainment like that.

Yeah, same. I mean, but really, I only watch reality television. I never watch reality TV, but I watched this, which is interesting. Because I don't like the drama ones. I don't like the, I've never actually seen an episode of Real Housewives. Like, I haven't either actually. To me, you say Mormon. I'm like, I need to know. Really? Why? That's like so funny to me. Because it's part of my brain that is fascinated with cultures. Like, anything with a cult, anything with anything that's outside of what I know about, I want to know. Yeah. So I'm like, how do they like when you watched our show about Mormons? Because I feel like a lot of the Mormon shows, like our documentaries are like polygamy and like things like that. And I'm like, whoa, like that's not like Mormons nowadays.

Like that was Mormons like way, way, way back. And the people who do like polygamy are like the ones who are not part of the church anymore. But I think there's a lot of documentaries, right? I love it. About Mormons where I'm like kind of makes sense. this look a little freaky. Where I'm like, our show makes us, like, Mormon's like normal, I want to say. So I think a lot of people in the Mormon community when our show is coming out,

they're like freaking out, right? Because the preview was like drinking and swinging and people getting arrested, right? And people in the Mormon church were so mad until they actually watch the show. And they're like, oh, like, it's not all about that, you know? It's kind of showing, like, there's some people who do that, right? In our show. But, like, for the most part, everyone's on a different, like, spectrum with their religion, like in different phases, like from, like,

from like ex-Morman to like more devout to like I'm in the middle. And so I think that that's why I like our show like because it kind of, I don't say it makes Mormons seem more normal, but like there are other documentaries that make us look weird. And so I'm like, if anything, like those who are freaking out should be grateful because the other shows don't make Mormons look great. So I don't know. What do you think? I think it was it was really just regular relatable, seemed like small town women doing

women things, in my opinion. But I think that was what was confusing for me is where does the religion come into play, which I didn't really see in the show. But I think it's like you said, it's not your identity. It's just something that you're a part of, which is more relatable. Yeah. No, exactly. So when we did film the show, like religion wasn't supposed to be a part of it. Like, it wasn't supposed to be about Mormon wives. Like, it's like when I was doing the pilot and stuff, I was just like, our normal lives. And like, it's basically like moms who are on social media,

being like the breadwinners, you know, things like that. And then when we were filming season one, the like slate thing that they had said like, secret life and Mormon wives. I was like, what the hell? What's that? And I was like, they better not be calling the show that.

I was like freaking out because for me, I'm like, again, like, Mormon's never been like a huge part of my identity. It's just like, that's just my religion. but it's never been like, I'm a Mormon and I'm going to make videos about it. Like, that's not how I've been. And so I was, like, freaking out. I told my parents, I was like, I think they might call it this.

And they're like, you need to tell them to change it. My parents, like, that is bad. Like, that sounds horrible. Like, and so, but I guess we just got to learn to trust them sometimes because I think that's what captivated people was the title of the show. And it, like, obviously, like, blew up. And people were like, oh, my gosh, like, Mormon wives or whatever. And, like, again, I was, like, dying, like, even filming the cold open for

season one, as you see, like, we're in the blue coats and stuff. I was freaking out. I was like, this is so embarrassing. Like, people are going to make fun of us. And I was like, and we go into it, and you think reality TV, at least, is so glamorous. We go into season one filming that opening for the show and we had to do, like, our own glam. There was no glam. Like, it was freezing outside. We had, like, snot running down our noses. And we're, like, doing this at the temple, which, like, you're not really supposed to film on. Like, you film weddings there. But, like, I think if they knew what we were filming, they probably would have been, like, get out of here. So we were telling people, like, there's other, like, members that church coming up being like,

oh, my gosh, you guys are so pretty. Like, what are you here for? Because we're all wearing this matching blue coats. And I was like, we're like, oh, we're here for a wedding. We're just filming a wedding intro. Like, you're just like, don't know what to say. Like, I just felt so weird, you guys. I'm like, I'm so surprised that it did so well because I was like, this is so embarrassing.

And then, like, clearly it worked out because, like, everyone loved it. Like, it was shocking to me that, like, people like that. And they love the intro and people wearing blue coats for Halloween. like what? Like, those blue coats haunted me in my dreams. And now they're like popular. Like what? So it's kind of crazy the whole thing, honestly. But did the church, like the temple, were they pissed? Because you lied and you like shot that there? Did anything come in that? I mean, I haven't heard anything that they were mad. I think like, at least during the time, the people who were like coming outside that like works the temple, like, you guys are so pretty.

Like, yeah, we're just bridesmaids. Like, I don't know. I hope they didn't seem mad. Well, I never heard anything like after of them being bad. But I, I don't think they really knew what we were doing until they maybe saw on TV. There wasn't any kickback from the church or the community in Utah or anything about the show? Oh, no, like, there was. But, like, it was when the trailer came out. So this was, like, last August, the trailer dropped. But the trailer, if you watch it, it's kind of, like, makes it seem like we're Mormon

wives who are swinging and partying every day and, like, getting arrested because it shows, like, Taylor getting arrested in the trailer, right? And so I think people were obviously. upset because that's not like who we are. And so I do understand from their perspective seeing just the trailer, they're like, oh my gosh, like these people are making it look like Mormons are this and they're not. And like

the church did release a statement. It didn't call out our show specifically, but it was our show was coming out and then that movie Heretic was coming out with shows like missionaries in it. And so they released a statement. I forgot exactly what it said, but it was basically saying like, as like, you know, we don't like, I don't like,

I had to look it up. I can't remember. It was something about like we don't promote this, like we don't agree with it kind of thing. But again, they're releasing this statement like not having seen the show and I guarantee if leaders in the church saw it, I mean, it's not going to be like, yeah, let's promote it. But like, they wouldn't be like, oh, this is like

not who Mormons are. This is bad, you know, because they're just saying that based off the trailer. And so before the show came out, I will say I did get a little anxious because I was like, holy crap, like, is this bad? Like, should I not have done this? Like, I got like really nervous. And then and then it came out and I was like, oh,

like it's no big deal because I didn't see it until it was out either like we're we didn't get to see the show season one or two before it came out it's like we're watching it like with the people watching it and so I didn't know how it's going to be edited so I started getting like really nervous because I don't want to be like sac religious or people to think that I'm like bashing the church because like I love being a part of it like I don't agree with every single thing but I'm not like against it so like I did get really nervous and then it came out and I feel like for the people who did watch it who are more like they loved it like most of them they're like oh like it wasn't like the trailer like we didn't you know that's a little bit of it but like it's not as bad

as I guess they thought it was going to be right right yeah I mean well usually as you know how television goes they cut the trailer to get people I get it yeah yeah it was juicy like I watched the trailer and I was like dang this is this looks good but like not me not realizing like because I know I'm not a swinger right it's like from my perception I was like I didn't think anything of it but I looked at it from my outside perspective I'm like oh they all think we're swingers. I didn't even think about that until like I changed my perspective on it. Then it made sense why people were kind of mad. The thing about swinging that's hard, I've never done it. But the thing that would be hard is it has to be an even match. You know? You can't just like agree to go to a swingers party and then end up with some

random that you're like, oh, but I got the bunk deal. How does that work? You know? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. From like, What I've heard there is like a swinging community in Draper, Utah. I don't know what that entails, but like there are rumors about swinger parties and things. And there's like this gym called the treehouse gym where apparently like all the swingers me. I don't know. I don't know because I'm not part of it, but I was, I guess, in a way for a little bit with my friend being doing it a little bit. Are you close with Taylor in real life? Yeah.

Yeah. We're honestly, most of us are very close in our life. Like there's obviously times where like friendships. change and things like that but like i'm really close like michaela and i are best friends and we we were good friends before mom talk even started so um her and i'm pretty close with jessie and taylor is what i would say is like the closest so you're going to watch her season of the bachelor oh for sure yeah i'm gonna probably host a watch party i like that's going to be reality tv gold like i i haven't watched bachelor honestly since covid but yeah i think same for me yeah yeah but i do feel like

she's kind of going to revamp Bachelor and make it super popular again because I think she's going to kill it because she's just unapologetically herself and that's why we love Taylor's because she just says it how it is. Like it can be brutal. It can be really nice. Who knows? So I'm really excited to see.

Yeah, I think it was smart of them to like get her to be the next Bachelor. 100%. And because she has a platform to promote the show. So I feel like she already has she's what, like almost 6 million followers on TikTok. So it's like they have natural promotion with her just being the Bachelorette, right? Wow.

I think it's a very smart move. Crazy. Crazy world we are living in. Do you guys ever get competitive with one another? Like, is that real or is that all just made up? I don't think so. I mean, at least I don't feel it because, I mean, I was competitive with tennis and that, like with sports, I'm competitive.

But when it comes to, like, career and stuff, like, I'm not, you know? And I do feel like maybe season one, maybe it felt more like that because everyone's like wanting opportunities. Right. And then like now they're kind of all here for everyone. So I feel like there's no need to be competitive. I mean, there's still probably people who feel that internally and stuff, but I don't feel in it. But I mean, I can't speak for everyone on that one. Right. How did you meet your husband? I met him when I was still at BYU. So I just had my son. I just had my son. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm like, I'm one of those parties. Yes. I just had my son. So I was a single mom. And my friend

was kind of hanging out with him first. So like, I didn't, I didn't steal him, but like subconscious, I don't know, maybe a little bit. So she went to Austria, she lives from Australia. So she went back to Australia for like when school ended and he ended up selling door to door, pest control sales in California. So he was like living 10 minutes from my parents. And me and him were friends at this point. And none of my friends came home from college because they'd all like kind of stay in their college towns. And so I was like, had no friends that summer. And so I think I did, texted. I was just like, hey, like, if you and your like work buddies want to come over and hang out, my parents' house after work, like, let me know. And I did ask my friend if I could text him first.

Like, I was not like just doing things behind her back just to be clear. That's cool. And so, yeah, so he came over with his guy friends. We'd like jacuzzi, like watch movies, whatever. And then eventually he started coming over alone that summer. And I was kind of like, okay. And I definitely had a crush, but I was like, I'm not going to go there. I don't want to my friendship with my friend. And then she ended up texting me that summer and was like, this is so random. But I feel like you guys would actually make a really cute couple. So I was kind of like, okay, so she's like, okay with it. All right, but I still was like, me and him were good friends.

Like, we've been hanging out for two months. Like, I did not want to break the friendship, you know, but then one night I was like, you know what, whatever. And so I just like flirted with him. So I'm not making the first move. Like, we'll see how he receives it. So I just like flirted with him one night in the jacuzzi. And then he, I think the green light clicked in his head because he also didn't

want to make a move. He said because he want to like make it weird because he like kind of saw my friend and do want to create any problems. and whatever. And so he made a move and then like the rest is kind of history. Like we didn't, then I was kind of like, didn't want to officially date him, you know, because I was like having fun. Like I was like single mom for a while and I had boyfriend after boyfriend. They kind of just wanted to be single. So and then he kind of was like, yeah, like I'm going to be together. And I'm like, let me think about it. And then a couple weeks would go by and you'd ask again. I'd be like,

no, I just want to like be single. But then I still dated him and other guys. And I was like, he's the best guy I'm dating. Like, he's literally an angel. Like, I would go to leave for a tennis tournament and I'd come downstairs in the morning and there'd be like breakfast on my porch waiting for me. Like things like that, like all the time. Like he was so good for my son too. And like, you know, he was just like honestly by far the best guy I've ever did in my entire life. So I was like, it's kind of a no-brainer. So eventually I was like, let's try it out. You know, see how it goes. And like, obviously then the rest is history. So yeah. That's so sweet. And you made the choice. Like that's like the kindest one. That one's.

treating me the best. Yes. That's really cool. I also had to get out of like the I like the bad boy phase. I had to get out of that too. So I was like let me just take some time to be single, process that. And like being a mom did change my type. I was like I need someone who's going to be responsible, someone who wants to be a father, like someone who's a good person. So I think I had to really like hone down on that. I think it's just because he was so good that I wasn't used to it. I'm sure. I don't know. Like I'm not used to someone who treats me so, so well. And it's like, But he was there for me. So attentive and sweet.

And yeah, so I think, yeah, no, but he was by far the best. He's, and to this day, is like, Be Best. He's such an angel. He's so great. That's so sweet. And how old are your other two kids? Yes, I'm like, just had a baby. So she's two months old.

Oh, my God. That is just, just. Oh, my God. Yes. I just had a baby. So you hear her crying in the back. That's her. I think he's trying to make her a bottle right now.

Oh. She's two months old. And then I have my daughter is four. and then my son is 10. Right. So three of them. Wow. That's amazing.

And how is he, he's good with your son? Is that, like, dad? Oh, yeah. I know. Like, he's been around since so, I didn't let them meet right away because I was weird about, like, bringing guys around my kid, my kid.

I didn't want them to think, like, who's this guy? And who's this guy? Like, I was really protective over that. So I finally let him not by choice because he kind of allowed himself to meet him. He just, like, showed up or I was eating one night. So I was like, oh, okay. Like, but he was always so good at. from the beginning. And so he's been in his life since he was like 10 months old. Oh my goodness.

Yeah. Yeah. And so and my husband was 20. Like he's a year younger than me. So like I was 21 and like he was 20 years old like basically wanting to take on a kid, which is crazy to me. But like 20 years old. When I think back, I'm like, that is actually so crazy of you, honestly. But again, he's like just like the best guy. Like my son loves him to death. Like, that's all he knows. Like, that is dad, you know? And he knows that he has another dad who's like his biological father. So he knows that.

And like we see that his other side of the family as well, like the grandparents and stuff like that. So like he knows he has both sides. And it's just normal for him, which is really great. Does he call him dad, though? Yeah. That's his dad. Okay. That's so cool.

Yeah. He's so lucky he got a good dad. I know. He really is. Like it honestly worked up the best it could considering like the circumstances of what happened. Yeah, it really did. Sure. Yeah. And then he has a relationship with his biological father's family.

Yeah. No, exactly. And it's like honestly just part of his identity now. He just knows. Like he has like, my God, I always like, isn't it cool? Like you have two dads. Like that is pretty special. Like that's really cool.

And he's like, yeah, I know it is. Like he like loves it. It's like to tell people about it. Well, yeah. So positive, like, you know, take. I think it's so, so cool. Yeah. I'm at 20 years old, your frontal lobe isn't even developed people.

I know. I know. It's crazy. He's got a good one. He's got a good frontal lobe. That guy's got good frontal lobe, let me tell you. Yeah, I know, exactly. I know.

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So I'm like, The things I can control, like the skincare, having natural ingredients, like my supplements, like things like that that are easy switches, like that's what I try to do. So that's kind of like the idea behind the brand is like, yeah, it's a gummy, but like it's clean, you know, and like you can pick and choose what we want to do. I love that though. You're like, but I'm still going to have my diet Coke. Oh, 100%.

Yeah. Like I'm not like this crazy health guru, but like I am, I do have health anxiety quite a bit. So, like, certain things that I want to enjoy, like, a Diet Coke, I will have. But, like, I will try to make sure all my other things are as clean as I can have. I'm, like, food and drinks are the hardest for me to, like, be good with, like, eating and stuff. But, like, certain swaps, like, swapping out, like, plastic dishware, swapping out, like, things like that are easy, right? So, like, that's what I try to do. That's why I always say I pick my battles.

Yes. 80-20 rule. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Very smart. But we hear your newborn crying. Yeah, sorry. No, I'm just, I'm sure you're like, oh, I've got to get to her.

So, thank you so much for being here with us. And what a story. I'm so excited to binge. I mean, now I'm actually, like, motivated to do it. I've been like, you know, very excited about that. And everything you're doing is awesome. Thank you. Well, you're going to have to DM me and tell me how you like it or if you hate it.

Whatever, I don't care. Just tell me. I'm curious now. She will not hate it. No, I will tell you that much right now. It is totally up my alley. But yes, I will let you know. Okay. Well, thank you guys so much. It was so fun chatting. Thank you. Yes, so fun. And I can't wait for more. More than jing. All right. All right. All right. Awesome.

Hi. Bye. Thanks. Who was I talking to yesterday? Was it you where you don't say grown-ups names as much as you say, oh, no, it wasn't you. No. Like how you remember people's names. Like, A lot of times you meet someone on whatever and you see them again, you're like, wait, is there a name? And you stop yourself. You're like, no, I know I know it, but you don't say it.

But with kids, I always know kids names. When we were trying to figure out why is that. Like Ryers soccer team, I knew all the kids named after the first or second practice. Okay. Never thought of this, but just a theory. Okay. Is it that names are more unique now? That's one theory.

Mine was that you say kids. kids' names more than you say adults' names. You do. For sure. Like, you don't see an adult, and you're, like, automatically saying, but you're always calling, like, a kid or, like, talking to your kid about the kid. Yeah. Right?

And in sports, you're like, go quince. You're not, like, doing that to the parents. You're not like, Gary! Yeah. I'm the bleachers. Like, go Gary. Right. Gary's kid.

You're like, no, you have the kid's name, and you're Gary's dad. And... I mean, you know what I mean. I said that wrong. Yeah, but I also think, like, all the daychers. dad's names are interchangeable too, whereas the kids' names. Like your point to that kids, that names are more unique now. Yeah. They are. I feel like they are. For sure. And you hear your kids say them all the time. Yes. And you're like, which one is that?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Tell me about that one. And so you know a bunch about them. And you make more of an effort because you're like, I bet it means more to the kid that you know their name than like an adult. Well, maybe adults care too. But. I don't know. The funny thing is, is that... But isn't it kind of interesting? It's very interesting. Like, never thought about it before in my life. But also the kids, I don't feel like know our names.

Never. Because they're always like, Sheppard's mom, Elliot's mom. Right, his mom, yeah. But I don't care. Ew. What? What? I found out the kids were playing smash or pass on me.

What? Yeah. And one of the kids was like, Elliot. You have a crush on your own mom because we played smash your past. You said smash. Oh. But still he's going to smash you? Like in his mind.

I think he associates. I don't know. I was uncomfortable. And I was like, you guys, one, shouldn't be playing that game. And two, like, don't get your mom's name out my mouth. You know? I was like, what is happening here? Oh my God. It's so different having boys and girls.

Yeah. Oh my God. Smash or pass. And they were all like, oh, you have a crush on your own mom. Because he didn't know what it meant. He didn't know what it meant. What was the other thing that he didn't know what it meant? That was like a year or two ago. Which one? Oh, when he said that he was a lesbian. He said he was a lesbian. Because he didn't know his astrological sign, his Libra.

He just took the L and was like, I'm a lesbian. That's the best. That was my favorite. Yeah. It's so good. It's so good. Oh, my goodness. Oh, I'm a lesbian.

And I'm going to smash my mom. Oh, poor guy. He didn't know. How could he know? Why are those kids at that age playing smash your past? They don't know either. What do they think it means? Did you ask that question?

I think they just think it means like, you know. No. Is she cute or not? Okay. And I think that he was probably like, my mom's cute, you know. He didn't know. He didn't know. He meant to support the banging of the mom.

Ew. I know. That's despicable. I know. He didn't know. Well, they should, you know, the thing is, is that kids don't know what they're saying. No. No.

Mm-mm. I doubt your daughter and her friends are playing smash her friends. Uh, yeah, I don't think that's happening over there. But some of her friends are like boy crazy. Are they? A little bit. Okay. Huh?

Yeah, you know. She's not. No. She's like, could care a lift. It's great. Keeps out as long as possible. I intend to. Quite the opposite of me.

It's shocking that she's going to be 11. Yeah. And like if I see her at her age and if I look back at me at my age, it's so different. We're thinking. for that. Thank our lucky stars. We are thinking our lucky stars for that. We are. I think about that all the time of like how different our kids are growing up than we did. Even though it's the same like location. Yeah but it's different. It's different. It's different. I'm getting a little bit more of it where I am. Yeah, you are. You know, little bit. Also boys are different. I don't know. Yeah, but there's a

whole group of boys that aren't that are like the jocks and that are very into sports and like that like they're not. Elliot's more like, he's a little riggedy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like he's a little riggedy. Yeah. We like it though.

But why? Because he's so cute. I know. But like we wouldn't like it if Breyer was a little riggedy. No. Right? Right. There is a difference.

Yeah. Oh my God. Imagine if Breyer was a little riggedy. No. would be like you nope nope shut it down people locker in her tower blocker and her tower that's right yeah i like that you're calling it riggedy you know yeah yeah it's riggedy it's riggedy yeah what else so much else what else are you reading your book well can you talk about it for a second the here's the problem okay every single solitary time i sit down to read it mm-hmm i hear

mom can you get me watermelon mom can you do this like someone enters the room and stops it so the only time i have to do it is once they go to sleep and you fall asleep it's really hard to stay awake when the sun goes down oh i agree so when do you do it well i when she had a friend over they were just playing so i took the book Right. Yeah. And I read really fast. Okay. Well, you need to get on it. And anyone listening if you want to join the book club, lit broads. So, okay, so many people have asked, like, what does that mean? How do I join? What do I do? Right. Tell us, Rachel. You get the book. That's the first step. And you read the book. Second step. And we are currently under construction of our website.

Everything's going to be up and running by the time you finish the book, which for the month of October. We just wanted everyone engaged reading the same book so we can talk about it and there's more to come, which is all happening in real time. Yeah. So basically, you really don't need to do anything other than get the book and read it. Yes. If you want to join the Discord you can and have conversations with other book clubbies. and then we're going to do something on Patreon and we're going to do a mailing list and all that fun stuff. Yeah, we're going to have a newsletter. We have a lot of things coming and they're all being worked on right now.

Like it's all happening. Yeah. And we even have stuff banked that if you join, it's all coming. It's just that we're in the process of get the book and read it right now. So everyone should be reading. That's it. Yeah. That's all you have to do.

Yeah. And where do they like, tune into that. Like where are they going to get new information of what to do? Well, we will have our mailing list, which is you subscribe through our email, which is not working. Oh, well, no, it is working. Just go to the Instagram page, follow Lit Broads so that that's where we'll be putting out what you should do next. Okay. That's easier. I think that's easy. Easiest. And if you want like a really dialed in type A book club, we can make some recommendations for you because it's not going to be this one.

Well, I will tell you. Yeah. We are a fun time. That's what I'm saying. It's more like, let's do this together. We're going to build it together, grow together, read together, and have fun together. But like, I've heard that there's been some, like, irritation on, like, what do I do? So you read.

You just read. we like to talk about what we read I'm five pages in she's only read five pages I read mine the first day done correct finished I'm gonna have to read it again at the end of the month because I have no memory

for those who know me and have listened for a long time I have zero memory I'm gonna read it again in a day at the end of the month yeah I mean to be fair I did have to go to Magic Mountain and two baseball games there's no excuse I only went to one baseball game It's the first time I missed a game.

You missed a game? It was at 8 a.m. the day after Magic Mountain. And Jeff went to sleep. It was Shepard's game. Did Shepard? Oh, well, he didn't go to Magic Mountain. He didn't go to Magic Mountain. So he went and Jeff took him.

Yeah. And I felt bad. I've never done that. But I did go on 20 roller coasters. You earned your sleep. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like my bones felt like they were breaking.

Yeah. The fact that you went on all of them is like amazing. I like a roller coaster I love a roller coaster You do love Me too I just after having Briar I can get motion sick sometimes But I still go

I only got like slightly motion sick on one And it went away really fast Yeah I think it was like Batman Yeah or Riddlers The Riddlers It just Rome Six Flags measurement

Yeah Crazy It's very loopy It's It's so fun. But the one, what was the one you asked me if I did? The Tatsu. Yeah.

That one was nuts. You like lay down flat like you're flying. Like so you're dangling upside down like a bat. Oh, you're upside down? At some, at one point. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you go upside down. And then there was another one where you go upside down.

And then they leave you upside down on the loop and make you pause and like really freak out about where you are. then boom. There was one operator of the machinery that was so good at his job. What does that even look like? I mean, the announcer, he'd be like, are you guys ready? Too bad. And then just shoot people off. Or he'd be like, knock, knock, who's there? Not you. He had a different thing for each. How many times did you ride this ride? It was waiting in line. You got to hear him blast off all these people, you know? And I was Like this guy is having a good time. That's Magic Mike. Oh.

Uh-huh. Magic Mountain. You see what I did there? All right. Make us stop. Okay, goodbye. That was a hate gum podcast.