Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Melissa Palmer on Hippie Communes and creating Osea with her mom

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

In this episode of Broad Ideas, Rachel and Olivia are joined by Melissa Palmer, co-founder of Osea, a leading clean skincare brand. Melissa opens up about her unconventional upbringing in a hippie commune in Malibu, sharing how that experience shaped her worldview and approach to life and business. She also discusses her love for ChatGPT and how she incorporates it into her daily routine.Melissa and the Osea team are offering a discount code for our listeners! Go to osea.com and put in BROADIDEAS in at checkout for 10% off your purchase. Broad Ideas is sponsored by Thrive Causematics, you can get an exclusive 20% off your first order at thrivecausemetics.com/BROADBroad Ideas is sponsored by Quince,  Go to Quince.com/ideas for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I know. I know. Did you have to drive from, do you live in Malibu? That's actually like a really complicated question. Okay. We have all day. I'm kind of living in, I still live in Malibu, but also sort of in Austin and sort of in New York. Wait, what?

I did a pandemic move to Austin. You did. So many people did that. When COVID hit. and our team went remote. Yes. We had just been building this whole office culture, and I was going into an office every day. Wow.

And then we started working remotely. And month two, I was like, guys, we're never going back to the office. So I take remote work very seriously. And now I would say I'm more living in New York and L.A. Got it. What brought you in New York? Yeah. Good year.

I love it. You're fun. Yeah. Well, I think it really starts with a great apartment. A friend had this amazing apartment in the West Village, like a dream apartment. He was traveling. He was like, come stay here. And my girlfriend works a lot in Europe.

So she was living between L.A. and Vancouver and Rome. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then I was doing Austin in L.A. So it felt like we needed a new city, just that could be our city. And somewhere that could be like, yeah, a good meeting place. So now we live in New York together. Oh my God.

Amazing. I haven't actually said that. No. Yeah. You haven't said it? No. But we got back there last week and we were like, I think we're like coming home now. But also I love L.A.

So who knows? Because you're from here. Well, you'll always have it. I will. And like I grew up here and I mean, there's just something so magical. Did you grow up in Malibu? I did. Okay.

I grew up in like this super hippie version of Malibu. Yeah. We slept outside. Wait, hold on. Yeah. Talk about that. Okay. Hold on.

Were they closed? No. Not usually, but I've got their own space. My mom's like, you know that like reality of becoming your mother? Yes. She was such a passionate advocate for sleeping naked to let your skin breathe. And I was like, this is so weird. How could you?

I mean, I'm offended if a piece of clothing touches me in my sleep now. So maybe at that time there were clothes for me. Yeah. Yeah. So we actually had our beds outside. Okay. And we slept outside like 300 plus nights a year. What? What? The fresh air was really nice for us. And we had mattresses and duvet covers and downcomfitors. And the trick was, if it was a little rainy, you just did two down comforters. Because the bottom didn't get let. Wait, it's cold in Malibu. Yeah, but you're so warm under your blankets. It's very, very advanced in terms of like all the body. biohacking now says like sleep in a cold environment.

I know. We were doing it. Do you sleep with the air conditioning really low? I do. Yeah, because I love that feeling. I'm like, my siblings and I, like, that was like just, it was normal. Normal. How many siblings?

There, so I have one full brother and two step sisters. Okay. And they were brought me. You were all outside. We were all outside. Okay. Yeah. And everyone came over and they knew like they were just going to sleep outside.

We had bedrooms, but we didn't sleep in them. Got it. I love this. It was great. And like the silence of sleeping outside. It's, I love that everything that was so fringe that we did in our childhood is now cool. It's cool. Right.

Yeah. Your mom was so way ahead of everything. Totally. My husband sleeps outside. I'm sorry, what? No, I'm more. Sorry, I see her every day, talk to her all day long. This is the first time I've ever heard of her say this.

Not at my house. But like, at his parents' house, when we go to his parents' house, if he's, it's like raining or something, he'll go on the porch, get his blanket and sleep outside under the tin roof. Because he wants to hear the air. Yeah. So he'll go sleep outside or if it's warm outside. He'll go on the patio. He's never told me this before. He's an interesting person. It's also Pittsburgh where his home is childhood. But it's like also like people listen to white noise to hear rain at night. Exactly. And he's just getting it naturally. Yeah. I also do have like a full bed at mattress outside now. Speaking of him. You do.

Yeah. In Malibu. Not in New York. No. That sounds like Malibu. So stressful. No. No.

And I'm now also in like the exact same version of Malibu I grew up in, which is like in the canyons. Really? With guard like gar like there's a very rustic side of Malibu. Of course. And that was what we were so lucky to grow up in. That's so cool. And grew a lot of our food. And just it was just.

Your mom adopt me. Honestly, she would. So wait. I think she talks to my friends often. more than I do. So please call her. She's ready. What did they do? Like, what was their deal? What did they do when you were growing up? Well, start at the beginning. Yeah, we want to know everything. We want to know the story. There is a story. And this is actually, like, so tied to the roots of Osea. Yeah. So I was born into a commune where that was where I grew up the first nine years of my life.

And that was on Orcus Island originally. Orgas Island, I've been there. It is the most beautiful, special place. It's pure magic. Have you been to Dobe? I don't think so. So Dobe, it still has a legacy on the island. It's actually getting turned into a whole beautiful resort.

But they were like, oh, that's where that. The hippies were. So there was a lot of sleeping outside and cold plunges there, too. So I grew up, it was like an intentional community really focused on natural health and healing was born there. and that was actually where Osea did start to take root. Wow. Because we ended up moving to a mineral hot springs resort, as you normally would. And my mom's...

Like, I'm legit in my life. I just feel like upset. Yeah. That that wasn't our experience. We were like in the valley of Los Angeles. Like, with concrete and heat, you know, and you were... And like... Okay.

Sorry. You guys are so cute. Yeah. Yeah, so that's, so my mom was, her job at the commune was to run the spa because I've earned had a job. And that was how Osea was born. She was looking for products that were natural enough because we were all vegetarian. We were all practicing satsongs on the path of enlightenment.

And what, it was a radical concept in the 80s that what you put on your body wasn't as important as what you put in your body. and that was the birthplace of Ocea. So she originally started making herbal compresses and things she could preserve and keep in a fridge. And then we left the commune, hit the real world. That was a whole transition. Wow.

Nine years old. Do you mind why? Why do you leave? Well, it broke up as all intentional communes as they all do. There's always some drama that breaks them up. Yeah. And I would say that was like for me such a formulative part of my life. And I like the way we're going because I never talk about this.

But we love it. I grew up in this like very sheltered environment with the same 50 kids as my siblings. I had never been to traditional school, seen a TV, done anything like that. You had never seen a TV at nine years old? No. Wow. And I also was on like a very alternative course of learning. Right.

So I then ended up in public school in third grade, in the fourth grade. And I was like, that's a hard year. It was hard. That's, yeah, rough. I was. Fourth grade. They're like, okay, you need to know, like, the craziest math, first of all, like, why? And I was still like, very tap into my emotions.

What are we doing here? Right. Right. We're creative. Yeah. So it taught me so much about how to. be resourceful and learn to fit in. And as with, I think, like, all of our challenges and opportunities in life, I think it's actually what has helped to make me successful.

Amazing. In what sense? Just the scrappiness of it? Well, a lot of ways, I think for sure, the scrappiness, because I was with parents who had to figure out their way in the world. It was, I always like to describe it as, like, maybe getting as far as the college dorms and never leaving. So, I was growing up with my parents. Wow. By the way, if my mom was here, she'd be like, where are we going in this conversation? So it really taught me how to be resourceful, but I think it taught me a lot about community, that upbringing.

And it's so interesting because I think a business is a community. And I'm always seeking another commune. Even like the last place I lived in Venice, I moved 18 of my friends into the same up apartment building. So we all had our little cottages. Dream. Dream. Yeah.

It was like. All I want is a compound and a commune with my friends. Like we talk about it all the time. It's all I want to. And like the older we get, I feel like the more removed we get from community. Yeah. And that's all I want. Yeah.

So I'm like kind of returning to my roots. Yeah. It's actually one of the number one markers of longevity. Right. When they study it. Yeah. And the blue zones, when they boil it down to one of the biggest determining factors for longevity is community.

And every time we watch the cult documentaries, we want in in the beginning. Because we're like, I want to grow my own food. I want to raise your children. Yeah, you got in and like, he said the cult word. No, no, no, no. I'm saying in all communes, they all start as a commune. They all start as a commune. But every time I'm like, I want in so bad.

Like how fun did the beginning of wild, wild country love? That's what I'm saying. It looked like a party. But why, here's my question. Why do the communes always have to break up when they're set with such great intention? Like, why is there always a breakup? I have thought about that so much myself. Yeah.

And I think there's like, you even see it in like communities that are like maybe like in a religious community or I've been in business communities. And I think it usually stems from someone who goes. rogue and I think it takes it in a power thing. It powers the word. Yeah. Yeah. And I've found like, like for example, the 12 steps are, I think that's like to me, I love looking at communities that thrive and have that longevity. And there's no singular leader. So the power is a very even dynamic. I'm in like this business group called YPO. And like there's no, it's a very, it's very level. And I think it is that quest for power

that ultimately disrupts everything. Like Lord of the Flies. Right. Yeah. I think they say, I'm part of a 12-step program, and they say... You're part of the 12-stap program.

With the mother load of... Yeah, 12-step programs. But one of the most beautiful things about it is that there's no mix of money and power. There's... It's free. You put a dollar in the basket. Nobody owns that money.

Nobody's profiting. There's no... no gain, if you're a member. And there's no leader. So there's not far you can go with that. And I think that's what keeps that community so healthy. I do too. And thriving.

Yeah, I think it's incredible. Me too. I think that power and human beings is really tricky. And especially I think that when you put a lot of pure-hearted people together and you open their hearts and they're vulnerable, that it also, it's a moth to a flame. It attracts a lot of darkness. Right.

That is really true. Right? And that's so sad. So when it broke up and you guys were leaving Orcus Island, was Malibu, like, how did Malibu come about? Bringing us right back onto the journey. So we left Orchis. I'm like, I need to know everything. And then, and I haven't yet, this is a funny new addition to the story, we moved to a place

called Marietta Hot Springs. Okay. And it was this beautiful Hot Springs resort that just reopened. And I'm so excited to go visit it because that was actually where I grew up. How crazy. And that's where the spa was. And so I grew up like in a mineral spa. Oh my God.

Is that outside of San Barbara? No, it's actually the opposite. It's inland. Oh, it's inland. Towards temecula. Oh. Like south. Got it.

Exactly. Got it. Yeah. South. Okay. Yeah. I think, like I'm thinking two bunch vibes was what they re did with it. Oh, love two bunch.

Same. Yeah. But that vibe is. Have you been to too much? That's where we need to go. So I don't. You do. Yeah.

Okay. So we moved there. And then we eventually made our way to Malibu because my mom built a practice doing cranial sacral work and healing body work. Oh, my God. And she was an incredible healer. She heard there were really good public schools in Malibu. And we moved there.

I went to Malibu. You went to Malibu high? Yeah. Okay. Got it. I did. Okay. So Malibu.

I'm just this whole journey. We're going to have to have your mom back too. I think you will. Like I think we need to. We need the whole side, both sides of everything. She is the cutest person and she's turning 70 and looks like so young and she wants to talk about turning 70. It's a big deal. But she just has, I think, such a unique approach to longevity that's really focused on

simplicity versus needing all of these external services that it's really something that's like a committed practice in our own life daily. She sounds rad. She really is. I feel like my mom and her mom will get down. 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

And growing up in that kind of environment and with your mom being a healer and practitioner and all of those things, what were your belief systems? Did you take on hers, your father? I went through some rebellious phases. I got really preppy for a couple years. Sick. I got really preppy. Then I was a big dead head and followed the Grateful Dead.

So I tried all of the phases out. The thing that I think I really got into was I was the oldest. And we had a single mom who was supporting us. So if we wanted something, we had to be very entrepreneurial. I first had a paper route to pay for summer camp. And I was like, oh, this is so cool. I can make all this money and then get to do what I want. So when Osea was getting mixed up in the bathtub and in the kitchen at like 16, I was like, oh, I know how to do this.

I can run the business with you. So I think that was. It was that early on that you joined. I've been working on Ocea for 24 years. Oh, my goodness. We're 27 years old. I had a little time off where I helped to build a Hulu hoop company, which was a Hulu Hiz so much. So it was my little break in between Osea and then I came back. Yeah. The Hulu HOOC. I mean, that's amazing. I think it shocks people when they realize Ocea's 27 years old. Yeah, but yeah.

That just shocked me. Yeah. And people are like, congrats on your new business. You're like, new. Actually, she's older than you are. Yeah. And half the time at our events, all of the influencers are like, we were born in 1996. And they're like, oh, we were born after that. Right. It's always a nice little wake up. It truly is.

And I like to say that Osea is having her Saturn return right now. I really love to share the length of our journey. Yeah. Because I think it's so important to talk. talk about the slow road and people see us as an overnight success and your oh my goodness the farthest thing from and i think people are so shocked when they hear i've shipped i shipped orders for a decade i've had every job in the company we were in the garage for way longer than we were out of the garage wow and i think it's so important to hear like there can be a slow build to really

great success. Yeah. What a great message. Especially for women. It's a really important message for women that it's not like you have to hit it by 20 or it's not going to happen. That you can take your time and develop something and it will grow if you put the work in. I didn't get successful even remotely until after my mid-30s. Right. Like my 40, I'm admitting it in my 40s, but really my late 30s. But really my late 30s is when I started to become successful. And there were so few examples of that. And then what about your mom was how old when that happened? Oh my gosh. She's the first to say it in 50s and 60s. Right. She's like the most successful in her 70s. That's so cool. Which she'll be in. Yeah. Right. But that's hot. It is so cool. I mean, I've always like loved your company and your products and

knowing the story that it is you and your mom, you know, everything behind it. It's so cool. Because it just makes it that much cooler that, like, the product stands alone and speaks for itself. But just the whole story with it and people hearing it and knowing the origins and the love and everything that's gone into it just makes it that much more special. That's such a compliment. Thank you. But it's true. No, it's true. It's also the intention behind it.

Yes. There's a lot of brands. There's a lot of skincare products. There's a lot of products, period. it. And a lot of them are designed to make money. Right. Yeah. And they are not designed to actually help and to heal and to nourish and to help you grow into the most beautiful version and what you're putting on your body. Right. What's going into your body is pure and like the intention behind that having the reach it does. Anytime I bring up, you know, Osea or any product from there,

every single person is like, oh my God, I love Oseo so much. Oh my God, I love this. Oh my God. I It's so crazy to me. A lot of times when I introduce myself, I'll say, oh, I have a company with my mom. And they'll say, what is it? And I say OSEA, like, kind of put the question mark. And they're like, what do you mean? Yeah. And they're like, because it's the best. To put it into perspective, I spent 20 years telling people about OSEA and they had zero idea what I was talking about. The thing I'm so proud of it, though, is that since 1996, our mission. and vision and look and feel and tone and logo and packaging have all been the same. And how cool. It's, I think it just like speaks so strongly to my mom's vision.

She has been so steadfast that Osea is just about something larger than ourselves. And we make the perfect team because she does all the product and she is a total perfectionist with the product and I do the business. So we make, we like to say we're a. perfect brain together. Yeah. And the name. Ocean, sun, earth, and atmosphere. It shouldn't be such thing. I never knew that. Never knew that. I didn't know how to pronounce it for the longest time. We get that too. Ocean, sun, earth, and atmosphere is representative of the four elements of nature and the elements of life. That's amazing. In our own connection to our well-being and how

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Plus, you get free shipping on your order. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash ideas. to get free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash ideas. I have a random-ass question. Yeah. How is it for you? Because we've talked about this in different ways,

but how is it for you having worked so hard for something and watching it grow and it becoming a success? I would imagine you're treated different as a result of by, what you've created. Does that happen? Do you feel like there is a difference in the way people treated you day one to the way people treat you now? Yeah. And I love that you're asking that question because I've been thinking about it a lot because only recently have I noticed that I'm treated differently. Internally in the company, I think people are way more scared of me. And maybe it's not scared, but there's a lack of, like, casualness and fun, but it's really external where I notice it.

And I think I've told myself that I've not really led. I wouldn't say I'm a forward-facing founder. So I've had this story that, like, my ego isn't tied to my success. And I've been noticing the little hit that I get when someone says, oh, see ya. Whoa. And I've, you know, growing up in L.A., I had lots of friends who are celebrities, and I watched them and that treatment. So I've been around that. And I see how I get it a little bit. And I see how it's a little addictive. It's a dopamine hit. Yeah. And the reason I know that I have it is because I started noticing the flip side. And now I think it's pretty funny how I started saying, oh, you know, I'm still so surprised.

that people say it, I was so surprised. Now when someone's like, oh, what is that? I noticed this little fling me and I'm like, excuse me? Yeah. You're like, what do you mean? And that's really something in the past year because while we were really blowing up, it was COVID. So I had this really unique perspective because I was like not out in the world while we were having our most visible moment. So for like two to three years, I wasn't out meeting people, seeing people. And like, once life got fully back into like everything was in full swing and I was going to dinners and events, I landed on the other side of it. So I love that question because I've really been thinking about it. And I don't want that. But then also, I worked really hard to get it. So can't I have it?

Right. Right. It's a confusing. it's a confusing dynamic to hold, right? To like fully live into your success and feel the benefits of it because you work that hard to get it. And then also not let it be the thing that takes you from what the real success is, right? Totally. It's tricky. I feel that way financially too. Because I think because we were in Malibu, everyone always assumed we were really wealthy.

But we were like renting a little house and sleeping out. side to make our house feel bigger and have more fun. And we've done really well with the business. And I've had that same inclination to, like, hide it. And I think, I don't know if that's something that's so specific to women or it feels like those two things are part of the same conversation. They are. Yeah. I think it's also like, how do you practice humility while also practicing abundance at the same time. Oh, right. But also being, but also, right. Yeah. Right. But also proud. Like, yeah. There's the, you know, the balance of that. Like, you're just proud that something you've poured everything into is now a success and you want to be

able to express that pride and, like, feel that way and not feel like you have to truncate it or hide it in any way. And it's so satisfying to have worked so hard for something. Right. Like, You deserve all the successes, all the comments, all the attention on it. I love that you two as friends actually have this conversation. Oh, we had it at lunch. We had it just before you got here. We were eating and had this conversation on, I don't know, I mean. Yeah, like on a version of that of like, oh, I noticed people treat you different when

X, Y, and Z. And what does that feel like? Mm-hmm. You know, like, is it a good feeling or a bad feeling? or, you know, someone said, I think she said this very openly, like Nikki Glazer, you know, the comedian. She was talking about how she's been doing this a really long time doing comedy. And then she did this Tom Brady roast and everybody went crazy over it.

And now these people that once treated her one way are treating her a completely different way. And it's, it's an icky feeling to be like, but wait, you weren't nice to me. before, but now you are, because I'm on the other side of the velvet room. That part feels really icky. Yeah. Yeah. And some people can take that and make it feel really good and then you get addicted to that dopamine hit and then you can lose your identity in that because if you don't have

those accolades, who are you? Totally. And the thing I think about is like nothing lasts forever. Right. And everything happens in cycles and changes. And so I think that's why. I think about this conversation. It's so cool, to double use the word cool. We're really cool right now. Right. Right. And I believe in the longevity of the brand forever. And it might not be that cool in 10 years. And then how do I feel about it? So.

I mean, but the products are the products. And that's wonderful. Thank you. I think we should talk about them a little bit. Okay. Great. I'd love to. are going to want to know, like, the most popular, what they do. I mean, I know what I love. I don't want to get the names wrong of like the specificity of the scrub, you know, in the tub for the shower, bath or whatever, the salty sugar. The salts of the earth. Yes, the pink one.

It's so good. It is my father, my daughter steals mine. She's only nine. It makes me so happy that she's using that one because it's such a clean product. I love that. And some of the products for kids. kids have such scary. Oh, my God.

Actually so upsetting. It's so upsetting. It's so upsetting. So, okay, our number one bestseller, I love the range of this conversation. I feel like I'm on a Disney. We go all over. Broad ideas. It's broad.

It's broad. Yeah. Broad. Thinking about, like, saying things I think I've only thought about in my head. That's what you're up for. Great. I feel it. Our most popular product is.

called Andyria algae body oil. And I can have to say a couple of things about that product. She launched in 2010. And there was like not a category called body oil. And I used to have a joke about this product that it was like the most unscailable concept of a product and I would make fun of it. And like, like, oh, that's so classic my mom. Because the way that we make it is we hand harvest Andaria algae, which is it's the third fastest growing sea plant invasive species. We harvest it, cut it at the base of the plant, and then it grows back a couple months later, sun dry it, and then take the algae and barrel soak it with botanical oils for three-ish months, depending on the season and the heat.

And then, so it breaks down the cell walls of the seaweed, absorbs all the nutrients. Then we put essential oils and yummy scents, and so it smells really good. And that's like a very long process to make the product. So it was probably like our number 20 bestseller until 2018 when Victoria Beckham discovered that product. Oh, forget it. And she, I'm like just constantly love to say what a kind person she is. She posted about it and saw that our house had burned down in the fires, sent us a DM and said, I'm so sorry to see this. and then proceeded to post about us so many times.

At this point, it was the sweetest thing. There was like three people working in the business. At this point, we were a teeny little company, and it just started to create this visibility, and it was the right moment when there was awareness growing of the skin on our body as just as important as the skin on our face, and we just built so much buzz, and that became our number one bestseller.

Wow. And so the body oil is like, it's in year, I don't even know what year it is. Now 14, that's right. And now it's our number one. So we have a lot of other products around that line. That's our best selling body care product. And then our top facial product is the dream night cream that just launched in January. I don't know. If I have that half one in my bag, I can leave you with it. So you have to wait no longer. If I have that one. It has bioretinal, vegan collagen. It's so I'm obsessed with this. It's so nice.

It's a night cream because I think people really love a specific night cream. I am a lazy user. I use it morning, noon, and night. But for those seeking a night cream, it's perfect for night. I didn't have a night cream either because I didn't make one because I can only use OCEA. There's no other product. No, there's no other products. No chance.

Oh my God. No, I need that. I love the roller. The eye roller. Oh, the ocean eyes. That one is one of my top favorites. And I actually really love to keep it in the fridge in the summer, too. It's such a good idea. It's so firming and toning. And then my personal favorite, not the most popular product at all. It's called the Dayglow face oil. That's what you have on right now. It is what I have on. It's gorgeous. And once someone gets hooked on that, I think it is just, it like gives so much glow to your face. Is that? Just your. I've. I've so. I've. I've so. I've. I've. I've. I. I've. I. I skin right now? Are you guys being serious? Yes. But you don't have like makeup on it or it. It's just the oil? No. This is my skin after like having. Wait, you said you didn't sleep. Why? Someone like opened the door to our apartment. My girlfriend's in New York. I flew in last night and like she was there alone and came home and someone had propped open the door. Ew. Yeah. So we were very worried. I was like on the phone with her. We were trying to figure out what to do. So it was like, That's scary. It was really scary. And everything was fine. We don't understand what happened. Oh, weird. The whole place got checked out. No one was there. And it's getting re-keyed. So,

good. Good. Good idea. And then we ended up sleeping on as if this was going to do anything. Like on FaceTime? Yeah, just on speaker. On speaker? Yeah. I looked down and we were on like a call for hours. That is, I love that. That's really. I get it. Like seven. She was like, hello? Oh, you're there. Oh. Oh, that's so sweet. I've done that with my daughter if I'm away, like, on FaceTime.

Have you? Yeah. Oh, that's cute. Okay, wait, I have questions. Okay, so the face oil, like, my skin is so sensitive. So anytime I've tried an oil, like, I get, like, bumps or whatever, is it just, like, the type of skin I have, or do you think it's just product-related? Is your skin oily? No, it's very dry.

I would say that this oil, it's basically fragrance-free. There's a little bit of camom. in there, so it smells nice. Yeah. But it's really calming and soothing. So it's like very good for sensitive skin. I think it is really for sensitive skin. If you have sensitive skin on your body too, my personal favorite for body, I love the body oil.

Yes. I've moved on to the Hierolonic Body Serum. It's eczema. We just had an eczema seal put on it by the Exima board. Really? But it's, we haven't tested this yet, so I'm sure the PD team will be like, you can't really say this, but I'm going to. I've gotten those bumps like KP on the back of my arms for years.

And they're gone using this. Really? Yes. So I'm like testy. Can you put it in your ear? I know that's so weird. I'm sorry. What? I need more.

I have like itchy ear syndrome and they said, well, it could be eczema in your ears. Like just right here in the inside. I would try it. I'm just going to put it out there. Can I tell you something really frustrating? It's not like product related. I had to buy a leave because I think. throughout my back, and it's blue, right?

Like a leave is blue. And I've never thought about this. The first inactive ingredient is fucking color blue, whatever, that's so toxic and horrific for you. But there's no reason for it. Oh, there's blue dye? Yes. Why do you think that the Advil gel cup is blue?

Or blue. So I only buy my advil. When I go to Canada, they have the extra strength and it's clear. As it should be. There's a blue. Sorry, I'm so heated. No, you should be heated. That's so disturbing.

My friend pointed it out to me. She's like, did you ever think? And I'm like, I've never thought about it, that the liquid gels are fucking. Blue. Because it's all, I, I realize that, and I can't believe, but I didn't think of it, too. Same. When Genexa, have you seen that brand?

Yeah. They, I bought like a set of metafin or something. And it was just like plain color. And I was like, wait, why. I know, Janexa is great. And why is the other one candy coated? Candy coated sugar. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then they put the dye in the kids ones. Yeah. Obviously, you can get it without the dye now. Yes. But Genexa does have a set of metapin for kids, which is Tylenol. but clear, like there's nothing in it.

Because why would you need color in it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, this turns out that we're really endorsing Genexe here. I know. But it's actually a little space and an important one. Yes.

Because when you start to think about all the areas. All the shit that's put in stuff. I could not believe the dye. Is that insane? That's sad. With no regulation. Right. Because that's not the kind of thing that's going to get regulated.

And, I mean, there's so much complexity around ingredients. we've been working on legislation since the early 2000s. My mom testified in Sacramento because there was originally a lot of legislation, not even banning ingredients in cosmetics, but actually creating labeling laws. Because if you're not a food or drug, this is, it's so complex, but there's very little regulation on cosmetics. That's what I was going to ask next. I want to know what your thoughts are on it. Well, like makeup, because you're not wearing makeup.

And I wish I could not wear makeup. But because I had acne, I feel like I have the acne scars. Well, I think you could not wear makeup. I mean, I could not wear makeup. She sounds like a real asshole right now. What? I said you're gorgeous without makeup. That's really sweet.

But I don't feel, here's the truth. I don't feel comfortable because of the acne scarring. But I'm looking at your face feeling like I don't want to wear makeup. So is Sarah? Sarah? Like, gorgeous. No makeup and just stunning. Yeah.

But Teresa, too. But Sarah has like the skin situation where she always has like. She's always good. She uses a layer. Yeah. She's always glowing. She's ridiculous. That's one of the coolest trends I think in beauty that's been happening.

They call it like the skinification of makeup that skin care has become the new focus. Yes. And one of the things I find about, I mean, I, I. think whatever makes someone feel good is what they should do. Sure. For me, well, first of all, I don't even know how to use makeup. So I don't know how to do it. But it takes a little bit of a shift with your skin.

And like you start to get used to it. And like as you give your skin more time to breathe, I think like your glow comes back. That is completely unscientific. But I've watched a lot of people. Well, I don't have it to give you. It was really bad at science. But I think you have beautiful skin. And if you just like think about putting more products on throughout today, like more oils and serum and moisture, like the more you apply.

I want you to give me. I'm giving you a job. Do you like that? I want you to give me a routine with all OCEA, like, because I've been asked. Here's what I want you to do. But I've been asked this lately like, what's your beauty routine, your skincare routine, whatever? And I literally have nothing. I am the most simple.

And a makeup artist recently was like, you need a routine. Okay. You have come to the right woman for this job. Thank God. Because I love Simple. Okay. I will give you like a step by step. I want a cleanser.

I think what you, the minimum, like the most minimal thing. Yeah. That's like still really giving you strong anti-aging. Yes. Clemsor. Yes. And if you really want to be lazy, just wash your face at night. Yep.

I'm the laziest. I'm the laziest face washer. I sometimes I just use a makeup removal white. No, no. But the night is it. Think about it practically if you're just going to do it once. Think of the time you're sleeping. You're giving yourself clean skin while you sleep and you don't need to wash it when you wake up.

I don't ever wash my face. It's great if you do. Oh, you don't. No. Let me tell you. I'll be like, Tammy, the face cleanser and she's like, what? Anything I use, if it's not, like, I will take a wet washcloth. That's actually a group.

Sometimes you're better off with water than a lot of other products. I can't. I haven't been able to. to, I should say. We have a cleansing milk. The cleansing milk would be perfect for you. Okay. So cleansing milk, serum, moisturizer. Okay. And then sometimes, like, I think it's kind of intuitive. Sometimes you'd maybe just do oil, like, wipe your face with water and oil. Okay. Just, like, kind of have them out and then make it your palate. Okay. This goes against everything in all of our marketing, but, like, I think you know what your skin needs that day. Yeah. So, like, a cleanser you might not need every day. Do you have any

exfoliating situation for the face? We do, but I don't think you need it. Okay, because the makeup artist told me I needed to exfoliate. I think if you just did a little face washing, you'd probably be in good shape. Okay. Yeah. And then what about, what about under the eyes? Because I don't do anything under my eyes.

The eye serum. Eyes are the area that really need it. Okay, so I've never done it. See, I want the whole list. The ocean eyes and an eye cream on top if you're really doing it. Have you tried the ocean eyes? I don't have the ocean eyes. It's a little roll.

I've had is the pump of the green, the serum. No, the face wash. Oh, the ocean cleanser. That's my, that's my daily concert. It's kind of sexual. Do you know what I mean? It feels so good. Nothing could make my mom happier to hear.

When we launched the products when I was like 18, I would be going to do trainings and she like came out with a bath oil that was aphrodisiac. Yeah. And I would, I was so embarrassed. about the amount she would talk about sex at, like, events and trainings. This is my mother. Yeah. They probably do need to meet.

Yeah. She's a huge believer that a lot of sex helps you stay younger. That's like her thing. My mother, since I first had sex as a teenager, would get down in detail of all the things that should be happening. Yeah. Let's just put it that way. With your friends, too. Oh.

Oh. Yeah. She studied tantric sex. She can teach us all about everything in the... she uses the right terms and she's like a sex goddess. So maybe I want to meet your mom. Yeah, please. I think my mom gets to talk about sex with my friends more than me because I'm like, it's too

much. I'm like, right, it's your mother. I'm like, don't come to me. But you're getting tips. Oh, yeah, exactly. They're getting tips. She's always like, it's kind of lingus. And I think I said it once on the Wendy Williams show and they bleeped it out in her face.

Like she was in such horror that I said this word. But that's just like my mom, you know? Yeah. Who was like naturally saying, oh, it's conalingous. Yeah, of course. She's just naturally a sexual. She's like, we're all sexual beings. Yeah.

The trees are sexual. The leaves are alive with sexuality. And she's just like alive with sexuality. I think our moms sound very similar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

Isn't there something kind of sexual about a really good, like the face cleanser? Like the oceans. It's like the feel. It's like there's like it feels. That's how I feel about the anti-aging body bomb. That is that. That's what we want you to feel. It's my favorite.

What I work on every day with OCEA is I want it to just make people feel good. And like in our marketing, I want like, I'll sometimes go into an Instagram caption and be like, this word just like doesn't make you feel good. And like with our models who are never models that we choose. And like just we're always just trying to like make it feel inclusive and warm. I love it. But then the biggest part of it. is how you feel when you put the products on. That's right.

And we want you to have like that sensorial experience of like being in a spa. And it's not actually a spa. It's like that concept of a spa of like when you're like taking that little moment of pause. Yeah. I heard someone say something actually this morning of like that he was building this practice that every time he got in the car, he just paused and did three deep breaths. And I was like that actually, I want to do that. I need to do that. Yeah, like it sounds that idea of like three breaths.

That's it. That if the three of us just paused right now and took a deep breath, it would reset the whole energy of the room. Are we going to do it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay, here we go. Totally. Yeah.

She's still going. I was only on two. Oh, I thought we were just doing one. That's why I used to smoke cigarettes. I'm going to, oh, the inhale. It was not for the cigarette. Like, I didn't know what I really needed was those deep inhales. It was a need.

You know? And like what a gift for us to give ourselves. Seriously. It's it. Yeah. I'm going to give such a heavy endorsement to the anti-aging body bomb. Every time I would get out of shower, if I was going on a date with this particular person, I would make sure to slather myself all in it.

Not only does your skin feel like heaven. And it's like shiny and like attractive and like pretty. pretty and but it smells so good so good so that was like my scent that he associated with me oh so it was like a ritual yeah and I still do it because I'm obsessed with it it's actually almost empty that reminds me I have a whole week in hell those little rituals can change it sounds so simple but I believe in practicing gratitude for the smallest luxury yeah the gratitude of that will change your day. Like, when I wash my face with that, the green cleanser, I don't just, the ocean cleanser. The ocean cleanser. I don't just, I don't just go like that and wash my face and be

done. I always stop and breathe it in and feel, it makes me feel rich. And I don't mean rich in like, I love money way. I mean rich in a way of like, this is giving like extra, you know, What's the word? The best kind of rich. You feel like rich, like lavished and nurtured and cared for. And you take that one moment to start your day that way. You have a better day. You appreciate other things because you took that moment to wake up your senses, to feel, to give gratitude.

Like it's just a face cleanser, but it's a lot. It's like a. I have to say. Yeah. I feel so rich myself right now. in this conversation. Everything you've just said is everything we're trying to do. It's not our forward-facing mission because we know it's a little out there.

Yeah. But our entire goal is just to raise consciousness. And our belief is that the easiest way to do that is through kindness to yourself and to others. And in the sense of the product, my mom's, intention truly was to create that moment where you had that little pause where you felt, I mean, the way you described it was actually better than we could describe it. That's what we want. And like our belief is that that little moment will carry into your next action.

Maybe let someone go in front of you in traffic or like just like just have a like a lighter way in the world. And that that is exactly what. what we're doing. And I think on some level it sounds so out there because we're making skincare products. No. But it is that moment, thank you. So I'm, thank you for saying. Wow, that makes me really emotional because it, what you're doing is landing exactly like that. Me too. You know, and there is, to me, there's no small things. When things are made with intention and then someone experiences it in the way you set out out for, that's like divine purpose. Truly.

Yeah. So cool. Oh. That is divine purpose. It is. Yeah. And just that's like the reminder of being on the right path. Yeah.

100%. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I love like, but it's, it's so cool to just starting from like this. you know, company and everything, but all that it encompasses and what you guys have done and like even the conversations that's bringing up. Yeah, when's your birthday? May 4th. I'm a tourist. I'm a tourist. I love tourists. What about you guys? I'm a Libra. I'm a Virgo. Yeah. Oh, you guys are the perfect best friend pair too. Are we? Yeah. I feel like

it like super grounded. Oh. And are you like super organized, grounded? In the weirdest ways organized, grounded. Yeah, I would say I'm very grounded. Very organized in... Like my shopping cart at the grocery market store. It'll be perfectly like... I put the things like perfectly in. But my clothes are a shit show. But that's probably like your creative expression.

But she knows where everything is. If there's a pile of clothing, I know exactly what's on the bottom of that pile and where to get it when I need it. How long have you two been friends? 25 years? Is that right? Maybe even more at this point? I can't do math.

I can't not. I'm not a math brain. Maybe like 25, 26. Yeah. But knew of each other for like 30. Yeah. Yeah. I just think friends, like deep female friendship.

Talk about the ultimate like anti-aging, longevity tool in life. It is. I always talk about like my best friends are my lifelines. Like they have gotten me through everything. And those are the most important relationships I've ever had in my life. Yeah. Same.

We outlast all relationships. And there's been many. Gosh, I never thought of that, but when it's all, it's true, my friendships will, because they have so many years on them. Right. But do you know what freaks me out is that I was thinking about it not that long ago because my mom's 81, 82. And it's like, by the time, God willing, all said and done, my friendships are going to have outlasted. even my parents. Oh, jeez. I didn't know you were going there. I thought you were talking about her

trips she goes on every year. No, my mom's been going on the same trip to Santa Barbara with her high school friends for she's 81 since they graduated six, 70 years. Something, or no, 60 something years. 65 years or something like that. Isn't that crazy? With the same group of girls. The most inspired. Isn't that so cool. Isn't she there right now? They're called the vagabond. Oh, they have a name. Okay.

How many are in the group? I think there's like six left. Oh, that's a full group. Oh, no, it's a full group. They were the vagabonds at North Hollywood High. It was a thing. And they are still meeting once a year, every year, same place. Have you guys ever interviewed the vagabonds?

No. Oh, my God. That would be amazing. I'm asking selfishly. Or just her mom alone. Like, we should have Patricia. That's so funny. But yeah.

That's like such, that's the inspiration. That's the story I want to hear to like have that memory and understanding of like the longevity and importance of those relationships. It's really crazy. Yeah, because your friends. Sue, are you still friends with people you grew up in Malibu with? Yeah. Yeah. Last night, actually, I mean, you're going to be like, wow, I was all over the place.

Last night I was in Chicago. I'm sorry. What? I, yesterday I did. a double flight, and this is actually a really funny story. So I was flying from Austin to New York last month, and I got seated next to Nancy Pelosi. And I was like, I think she might actually be like the biggest celebrity ever, because I watched every single person knows who she is. Yeah. So she'd flown from San Francisco to Austin that morning, and she was flying from Austin to

New York. The woman's in her 80s. Yeah. So I needed to be in Chicago yesterday, and I flew from New York to Chicago and then from Chicago to L.A. So now we officially call it. I did a Nancy Pelosi because if she can do two flights in one day. I think I can too. A hundred percent. It's hilarious. But I saw a friend that I have been friends with now for 27 years. And first of all, she was the original OSIA user. We met because she worked at Fred Siegel. Stop. And where we launched, the first account that we had.

Did you? Yes. Which one? The Crescent Heights. Oh, yeah. The one. The one. Yeah.

You guys might know her. She grew up in the valley. Lauren Silvers. I don't think so. Do you know her? I don't know. The name sounds familiar. If I see a face, I'm sure.

Yeah. She looks so incredible. She's like, this is what 27 years of Osea gets me. Oh, God. And she's far more diligent with her product usage than I ever, a dream to be. But it was so cool to like see this woman that I've known for 27 years. So I do have a lot of friends still. Like I consider a 10 year friend, a new friend at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So do you know what I find interesting that you said to see this woman? I don't think

I've ever called any. Me a woman. Well, do you know that you called that out? Because I actually think that's maybe the third time I've done that. Okay. Because when you were saying like I need you to give me a routine, I was going to say, oh, I'm the girl for the job. And I corrected myself and said, I'm the woman for the job. And I never described myself that way. And so now, maybe I'm on a new path. Maybe you've arrived. Actually said, oh, I saw like this girl yesterday that I haven't seen in years. Yeah, now I'm calling her a woman. Wow. Yeah, you've never referred to me as a woman. When do we cross over to that? Because for me, it was today. No, we're like, we're still from girls. Yeah, because I'd be like, oh, it was this girl I grew up with, because when I grew up with her, she was a girl, right?

Yeah. I'd say, I'm a girl. I've never heard you call anybody a woman that, like, that wasn't a woman. Yeah. Aren't we women? I'll jokingly say a lady. Me too. Yeah, a lady.

I'll use that. No, I've never, ever said, I'm the woman for the job. Yeah. Today was my day. I'm going to try it. I'm the woman for the job. Yeah. That sounds so weird, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Try it. Correct. Correct. That's going to try it. Correct. I like have to control the amount of times I say correct now.

We just have this conversation. Getting out of hand. Okay, good. That's what she said. I had no idea that I used it so much until I heard someone else use it. And then I was like, oh, I do that. And Rachel's like, you do that all the time. And then you're probably doing it now too.

That's what I said. Yeah. Correct. Correct. But it's the new literally. Not as much as her. It's the new literally. It's the new literally.

Correct. How do you feel... That literally is. How do you feel about people that say literally? Instead of literally? Yeah. I don't know that I feel something specifically, but I clock it every time. Okay.

So you do feel something. Yeah, I do. Literally? I feel something. Is it literally more like British? Yeah, but if they're not British and they're like, oh, I was literally going... It's specific. It's very specific.

Literally. They do it exactly that way. Yeah. I feel something. I just don't go into the feeling fully. Literally. Has there been a replacement for, I mean. I mean.

I mean. You know. That was like an early odds. No. But it was an early aughts thing. I mean. Is it not still going? It is.

But that's why I'm wondering. Is there anything like equivalent to or has anything new emerged? The rate that we're going, that's about to come back really hard. Because everything from the 90s is so cool now. And early odds are creeping in. For sure. I mean, it's not. I mean.

I mean. But you know how much we said that? Yeah. I mean. A lot. We said that a lot. A lot. Literally.

Oh, literally is correct. Correct. Literally. Did you discover that in this moment or you already knew that? You came knowing that knowledge. You had that ready to go. Okay. Okay.

Well, on like within the past 20. minutes before getting here. I had that because I did something. What do you do? Well, I am really into AI and exploring chat GBT. So I decided I've never once listened to a podcast that I've been on. I like, do them, then I never think about it again. If someone wants to talk to me about it, I'm like, please never speak up. I never did that. We're not doing it. Same. So I uploaded five of my podcasts into a little GPT. And then I interviewed AI about my podcast performances. What? What? I'm not joking. I'm scared. Yeah, it's really crazy what's happening. And so I said, oh, can you tell me about Melissa and how she comes across in these podcasts, warm, approachable,

friendly? But then I said, are there things I say too much? And my callouts were. And my callouts were or you know. All the time. And literally. And then I said, what could I do to be better? And they suggested pauses. So I think I'm really trying to take pauses while I'm talking dramatic pauses. It also said that sometimes my voice is too monotone.

So I should. And you guys know all about like. That's actually rude. I thought so. I know. I'm like I'm offended. But I wanted to be offended. But it was actually quite complimentary.

They said I was really good and authentic. But I was digging. for feedback. I'm scared. And so, yeah, it's really scary. It trips me out so much. Like, I can't even begin to start to wrap my head around it. It's really interesting. It's, I, I'm trying to wrap my head around it because I think we just have to understand what's happening.

Agreed. And so I try and use it in these, like, very low-stakes ways. Like, I could definitely ask someone on my. team, hey, could you tell me how my podcasts, how they sound? No one would be as blunt because they have like a human filter. But I've tried to use AI in some cool ways. Like I've uploaded blood work and said, like, can you tell me how this evolved over the past five years? My iron levels have been going down. So I started supplementing. And my doctor didn't pick that up. My husband does that. He runs it all. He's a doctor and he runs it all through to make sure he's not missing anything. If like he does all his diagnosis, all the blood work, all the things, run it through to be like, is there anything else I didn't pick up?

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. It probably creates more space for him to think critically. A hundred percent. Because he has kind of like a thought partner. So that's why I decided to try and, you know, I was doing this podcast. I was like, oh, you guys are really cool. This is a big podcast.

I'm going to test myself through AI. And that's where literally came up. Wow. So this whole time you've been talking, you've been taking intentional pauses? Well, I didn't feel it. I didn't feel it. For me, I usually go on total play. So I think I took like three intentional pauses. That's great.

That's cool. So Jeff did that. My husband did it for me because I read like this really mean comment about myself. And he was like, hold on. Was that recent? This wasn't, this was semi recently, not that recent. Okay. You know.

Because I don't like to not read because I do think there's valuable information sometimes. in the critique that I'm like, I want to learn. I want to get better. I don't want to completely ignore it, but I also don't want to hurt my own feelings. So he was like, I'm going to go to chat GPT and see what the overall feel is for Olivia Allen as a host. Oh my God. And it was like, here are her strong suits. Here's what she's good at. Here's what the things. Here's where she could use some improvement. What was it all? It was like 70 to 80.

It was 70% favorable. It was like 70% favorable. She's authentic, relatable, blah, blah, blah. Here's where she could use work is making sure not to talk over guests or to interrupt. Like, it just points out things that you can improve upon. Did you take that into account? I always try and take that part into account. anyways. I wish you would have just jumped in on her and started talking. Hold on. I think I would get a

review of cutting people off. So actually, I'm going to have to go follow up on that. It's hard not to when you're excited about what people are talking about. Yeah. I get that. I think if I heard all these things, I would be too in my head thinking about all the things they're like you need to improve on. You would forget in two minutes. I would forget in two minutes. That's true. I forgot. That's until she just brought it up. I know you never told you. Because I forgot. Right.

That's another thing. Also, I feel like I forget a lot of things these days. Cannot remember a single thing. Anything. And I think that might be part of the age. For sure. Yeah. Peri menopause.

I don't know if you're there yet. The peri party? Yeah. The party. Yeah. Yeah. I really am. I always like to say, too, like I can't lie because I can't even remember the truth

about anything. So I'll like, see something I did. Be like, I didn't even remember that, but I approve. I agree with what I did. Right. Oh, it's so bad. It's so bad. I really, oh.

Yeah, I lose words. I'll be like, mid thought. Sweeter's on the, what's that? You do? That makes me feel so much better because I thought I have a brain problem. I've been talking about it. Anytime I walk into a different room, I have no idea what I'm going to get. Every time.

Do you lose words? No, that's you. You never lose words. I mean, I'm sure I lose words, but not as much as you do. I know I do lose words. I don't forget stuff in the room as much, but I'll just be like, that thing. Yeah, yeah. We were talking to a friend, and she was like, I was holding my kid's brush, and I was like, I need, like, 10 less of these.

and they're like a comb. She's like, yes. It's so rude that no one told us to like love your period in your 20s and 30s because it was going to get worse. Like no one told me that. I'm currently just hemorrhaging. No, that's right. They're like multiple stoppers. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. No one says it. No. Why? Do you just hear about menopause? There's no talk about paramedipus. Also, eyesight, that was a shock.

That was like overnight. We were at a lunch with all of us 40 and above. Like we're all like this, holding our phones out, looking at it. And we're like, when did that happen? Overnight. Yeah. So I had a friend recently tell me, and this is probably, I don't know if you do this or if you're very clean in what you eat, but she told me, I eat a lot of sugar.

And she said when she quit sugar, her eyesight improved. And I was like, you can't convince me to quit sugar. You know, I want to really bad, but she was like, your ice. Well, my coffee. Mine's carbs. Like, it's sugar just one's removed. It is sugar. The bread is my sugar.

I know. I love bread so much. I can't do it. I, you know, it's just so good. But she did say she was like, once I quit sugar, I could see. And I was like, you're trying to trick me? I, that actually would be a motivating factor. I know. I think the same thing because I can't see.

I went to the eye doctor like two years ago just because I felt like it was something I should do for the first time in life. I've had perfect vision. It was like, oh, your vision's really deteriorated. I thought I had some major like brain issue. I was like I should get an MRI. What are you talking about? This happens to everyone. It's only going to get worse. And it has. I know. I 100%. I really did laugh, though. When everyone picked up their phone, they were like this. Yeah, it's like the minute you turn. 40. Everything starts. There goes. But do you know what I have a hard line on? What? What? Flashlight on a menu. Oh. Oh. I can't. I would rather not read. It's like my level of

denial. Oh, I do it all the time. See, I'm the opposite. My girlfriend does it all the time, and she's like, are you uncomfortable now? Yeah. I just, I love, like, as I am, I am a grandmother, like, inside my soul. So anything like that, I fully embrace. I'll take a picture of the menu and zoom in. Same. And then maybe I'm not using my flashlight. Yeah. You have a different tactic.

Oh, I was at a conference yesterday and there was a whole presentation and I was taking pictures so I could zoom and read. Yeah. Do you find yourself zooming on things that aren't zoomable? Oh, of course. On a menu. You try to enlarge it with your fingers. That's the question is like, what's happening to our brains? I know.

Oh, I know. Don't get me starting on that. Because it's actually frustrating that it's not zoomable. Yeah. Because, like, my fingers are ready to pinch. Yeah. Pinchy. It's so funny.

It's so refreshing to talk about this, though. Oh, my God. Yeah. I talk about it all the time. You both use your flashlights. I use my flashlight. Oh, I will bust out a flashlight. I have a book light.

I have all the things. She's like, I have a portable heater. I do have a portable heater. I have a deck of cards in the purse or in the carry-on. Like spirit cards? No. Like a deck of playing cards. Oh, well, that's very cool.

I don't, I think that's. Oh. Yeah, there's not going to play cards at a. But like granny like, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and my cozy warm socks for my feet. Well, maybe I think, like, grandma is cool. Coastal, there was that whole moment of Grandma being cool, too, like the coastal grandma

vibes. What is the coastal grandma vibes? Oh, I'm very into TikTok. And I, like, love all the trends. I'm not on TikTok. Talk. Everyone's telling me I need, okay, go ahead. Sorry. It's like, I love it. I love it too. It just like makes me.

What's coastal grandma? It's, I feel like that could be part of your aesthetic. It's like a, I'm not going to do it justice. It's like a vibe. Yeah. You know what it? You know, postal grandma? Yeah. Why is she coastal though?

Is she like a lagooner? No, it's more like Maine East Coast. Oh, I like that fun. Kind of like a Diane Keaton in. Exactly. Freaking, you know. Santa Barbara. Yes.

Out on like a beach. December with a thick sweater. Love a thick sweater. Yeah. Maybe with cozy socks. Definitely with cozy socks. Yes. Yeah.

I think it would be something you would be really into. I bought like a grandma like sweater that you told me to return and Nicole told me to return. Oh, she didn't. I have not returned it. She didn't like it either? No. I would trust everything she does.

It's my granny sweater. See, when you sent a deck of cards, I went to more of my grandma vibe, which I was recently told by a six-year-old that I look like. like hocus pocus. And I thought it was a huge compliment. You're like, witches. You're like, that's amazing. You're like, two of the hocus-pocus witches.

We were like, we feel seen. So when you said deck of cards, I was like, well, yeah, me too. Because I have to pull out my spirit cards. You're like spirit cards. That's my mom. Yeah. Yeah. I'm into that.

It's like everyone has their version of grandma where they're going. We're learning mahjong. That is very cool. Yeah. Like with a group. We did once. We did one group. We'll invite you to a thing.

Oh my God. Do you want to come to a mahjong session? I'd love to. Yeah. I have tiles now. Oh, wow. That's my. I'm so excited.

We're like, you want to come? You can break out your flashlight. Yeah. And I could do some readings after. Listen, I have a card table. Do you have your cards? No, I actually don't. I think I may have some in my backpack.

If I'm being honest, I love. What kind of readings? I live for this stuff. I just love to pull cards. Me too. Yeah. to see. Yeah.

If you walk in my mom's house, she's like, pull a card. Have you guys ever had a tarot card reader on the show? We should. My mom raised tarot, but we should have someone on. We've had a couple of mediums. Oh, you do?

Yes. Do you know Angie Banachie? Is that the one that Sarah? That's the one that Sarah used. We want her. Sarah was like, you have to have her on. She's one of my great friends.

I'll link you with her. Oh my God, please. I mean, because she'll just like read you as she's going through the show. She's like, we need to do that. You'll love her. She's so cute. And she has this, like, way about her where she's like, she became a tarot card reader much later in life.

She was in PR. And she, the way she says it, she's like, I don't know. It just, like, came through me. And she has, like, this way about her gift that feels so authentic to me. I love it. She's really good. Amazing. We definitely want her.

Okay, we'll text her immediately after. Okay. Great. Great. Love it. Yeah. I love that stuff so much. I love that stuff so much.

It's not normal. I know. It's like my, that's like my comfort. Oh, same. I'm like, give me a medium. Give me a tarot reading. Give me an angel reading. Like, I'm really intopneic astrology.

That is my most accurate medium right now. Is it? Yeah. It's very precise. Have you done human design? Yeah. What are you? I'm a, oh my gosh, how did I just forget this?

I'm a projector. Me too. I'm a spleenic projector. I don't know if I'm a spleenic, but I'm a projector. Yeah. I need to do mine. I think you are a manifesting generator. I think.

I love this shit. Sounds good. Are you into your anagram? I've never done it. It's actually, you can just do a test online. It's really accurate. Is it really? Oh, it's like what number you are?

Mm-hmm. So I have done it. actually, and I don't remember. But I've done it. I always come up as one that I'm like, this isn't possible. I'm the helper. I'm a number two. Okay.

I like, I really like Enneagram, but I think that human design is incredibly accurate. Do you? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just like all of it. I just, I was so deep in when they said that projectors are to be invited and we're supposed to wait for the invitation. and we're supposed to nap? I was like, fucking finally

someone said everything lines up for me with napping too. My life is in a nap. For napping. Like if I could put a nap in there, we're good. Yeah. And it also is, I think, at this time of life, very important.

To bring it back to Osea, I think one really important update I have to give is that I monthly send out an astrological report for the team of what our astrological makeup looks like. Oh my God. How many of each sign we have.

How that shifted. How much Earth, air or ocean sun, earth and atmosphere we have in the company. That is so cool. We're like, can we work for us? Yeah. I want a job?

Well, actually, we are actively seeking Virgos. Oh. Virgos. We went through a period where we had zero Capricorns. And I offered a signing book.

honest to anyone who could find a cat for the job. When I think about that, that is totally crazy. And like, I'm kind of joking, but I'm really not. Okay, no, that's the language of my heart. Yeah. I think we should do more of that when practicing all the things we do. Like bringing those elements in.

Yeah. They're there for us. Yeah. I love it. I'm going to take that with me. I also love, I just wanted to say, that our broad eyed Code for 10% off is active and ready. Okay.

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And we have really cute little holiday sets too. Oh, yeah. I knew it. On the site. Yeah. I like that this Virgo is getting ahead of the holidays. A hundred percent. Okay.

Then we have to book Angie. Yeah, we're on the show. We'll text her right now. I have my routine. You're going to tell me what I'm getting. I'm going to send you your full routine. Okay. And I'm so excited.

This is awesome. And then maybe we'll be gone on pari menopause and menopause. I'm now. Maybe we're lunch on. for the rest of our lives. Hemorrhaging. Hemorrhaging. I said that to my husband today.

I said, do you think it's normal that I'm going into school talking to people and going, hi, how are you? Good. I'm doing well. And just hemorrhaging. Hemorrhaging. And looking in their faces saying I'm good. This woman I know who's like this like huge like beauty investment banker seems so cool.

She came up to me. And I was like, how are you today? She's like, well, I'm just having little babies all day long. And I was like, she said, I'm birthing blood babies. Yeah. And I was like, well, I like you so much. Yeah. I saw this TikTok of they did these, these guys were in a library.

And they put three guys in a library and put period simulators on their stomach and told them to. Oh. And they can't handle it. They couldn't even handle a fraction of a bean. How good is that? It's so good. I know. They did that on The Bachelor once, but with like, contractions.

And they could barely handle like a Braxton Hicks. I could barely handle bras and hicks. I'm going to lie. Well, I'm whatever the most mild pain you can feel, they were dying. They couldn't take it. No. Yeah. It's because we're built differently.

We are so built differently. Yeah. We have vaginas. Yeah. And on that, we're done. Yeah. This was amazing. Thank you so much for coming.

Thank you so much. You love this. The most fun way to spend a day. Oh. I love hearing that. for us. Yeah. This was awesome. So fun. I'm sorry. Sorry to keep cutting you off. Like totally, literally. I'm sorry.

That was a head gum podcast.