Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Psychic Medium Jonathan Mark

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

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round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys better make you. Because people die. Welcome to broad ideas I hate that I always say that and you guys are just silent

Just look at you blankly Yeah but no one can see you I know The silence though They feel it Yeah You guys are A-holes This is a special Halloween episode

This is a special Halloween episode So Olivia was really lobbying for this Because she's super into this shit And I am too I'm not But you're like way more than I am Mm-hmm. And I'm not at all. And Rob could not be more skeptical.

Now, he's skeptical on most things we find in life, but... Yeah. This in particular, Rob was like, no, I'm not buying it. So we wanted to talk to a medium, right? And we were introduced to this fellow, Jonathan Mark, who could not be sweeter, more genuine. Love, love, love him. He's 30 years old. He's a kid.

but I truly believe, and Olivia believes, and Rob does not, that he has a real gift. He was nice. I will concede to he was a very nice man. Of course. He's a very genuine guy. I think that Rob's going to have to have his own reading. I do, too. So Jonathan, okay, so Jonathan, he has been sought after by some of the world's top celebrities. Like Rachel Bilsen.

Shut up. CEOs, professional athletes, first responders. Like, he helps the police. It's crazy to me to, like, solve cases. There's nothing cooler than that. Okay, that for me is the coolest thing because I'm obsessed with... The police.

With sting. What? The police. He's being funny. He helps the band, right? You can't. You can't. My brain is not working today.

I did not get any sleep. It's not there. So, got it. Don't stand so close to me, Rob. There it is. She's there. Yeah, so he's like really, you know, people come to him, and I do truly believe he has a gift.

So Olivia and I both had personal readings done with Jonathan, but not on the podcast. And I'll go first because mine, I feel like isn't as interesting as yours, Olivia, just because your history is more interesting than mine. And Olivia's not searchable on the internet. True. See, here goes our skeptic.

No, he's saying that's good. I'm saying that's... No, it's true. He's saying that's a good thing. Like yours, we could be like... Yeah, well, could you find that? I am searchable. So, but the first person that pops up is good old pop-pop.

That's my grandfather, Alfred. And Jonathan was like, I see a letter. A, maybe an owl. Now, okay, in all fairness, I have not Googled this myself, like, done any deep dives to see how much information I could find out. But anyway, even if I did,

he still said some shit that he would not have known other than... He actually started by saying, who's Al? He just came straight with who's Al. Oh, yeah, because you and I, the first time we spoke with him, Olivia and I both were on with him,

and it was to both of us, like, who's Al? Or who, yeah. Yeah. And then I joined and he was like, the spirits are getting too crowded. We need to do this later. No, he was just like, what is this dark cloud spirit that is entered and fogged my brain? I feel a demon.

We're like, no, no, that's Rob. That's Rob. So, yes, so he was like, who's Al? And I was like, my pop-up. Now, I haven't had many people in my life that were super close to me passed away. but my grandparents who were the closest to me. And Al was my pop pop, my grandpa, and he was here in full force.

And he was a jokester. He was funny. And he came to talk to me. And it was really nice to hear from him. And Jonathan shared some things that are a little too personal. I don't want to say. But they were on point. They were.

Shockingly so. You talked to him directly? You talked him directly? To pop up. Yeah. Yeah, he like was like Patrick Sway. He said he had his eyes like go up and then he started talking to you, ask him? Or what was it?

No, he was just saying things that only, there's no way he could have Googled. Now, I'm being more vague about mine because there's some things I don't want to talk about. But I feel like Olivia's reading was so on point and you can speak more openly about it that I think it'll be more interesting to hear what he said to you. So, Rob, I don't even know if you know any of this. But, okay, so we still. started, right? And he went with my grandpa. He's like, who's William? And I'm like, that's my grandpa. And he started talking and he nailed a lot of the family dynamics, like as far as like, he's like, okay, since he's been gone, you, you know, certain people aren't talking. And then he said,

do you have an aunt that passed away? And I said, well, I believe so, because I think I've shared this before I have an aunt that went missing. So he just listened to the podcast. He could have listened to the podcast, right? And gotten that. He didn't go too far into it. He just briefly said like she was knocking on her head, which signals like mental illness or something along those lines and that she just kind of disappeared. So sure, at that point I'm like, okay, he could have listened to the podcast, right? And from the beginning, and he said, listen, I am well aware that most people come and they want to hear from one particular person. And if I'm not hitting that person at any point, just stop me and say there's someone else.

And so I'm like, okay, and he's going all in on my grandpa. He's getting everything specifically right. However, that's not who I wanted to hear from. You know, so he stayed on that for a while. and I'm sitting there being like, no, no, no, no, and like we're close to being done, and I was like, there's someone else. And he's like, okay. And he sits there for a while and he's like, oh, okay, all right. Well, I'm getting a really tragic death and this is a parent. He's like, you lost your father.

And I was like, I did. And he's like, and this is not something. that he had anything to do with. He's like, I'm seeing him pointing a finger at me in an aggressive way. Like, this was done to him. He's like, the way I'm really picking up on this is he was murdered. And I'm like, okay. And he's like, but it wasn't like he was a bad guy and involved in something.

He's like, he's showing me a box that's literally saying, wrong place, wrong time. If this would have been a minute different, an hour different, he would still be here. And I'm like, okay. And he's like, and now he's throwing badges at me. He's like, he is saying that the cops really fucked up, that the cops dropped the ball, they didn't deal with this properly, that he's like, I'm just seeing cops, cops. He's like, he's literally just throwing badges at me.

And I'm like, okay. And he's like, and it was basically an aggressive murder. And I'm sitting there and he's like, is this accurate? And I'm like, yeah, my dad was shot by a police officer. That's how he died. And he was like, okay, that makes perfect sense. That's exactly what I'm seeing. And he's like, he's here with you now and he's telling you that he's just so proud of

you and loves you and all that stuff, you know, that of course anyone would want to hear, but, you know, afterwards I looked on the internet. Like, I was trying to find, like, is there a way to connect that? And I couldn't find anything. There's nothing on my social media. There's nothing on my Facebook. There's nothing that we've discussed in the podcast. And so the accuracy of And he wasn't saying like he was killed by a cop. He was saying like something went wrong with the cops. And that is what happened. That's exactly what happened.

And he's like, but your dad's a great guy. Like he's the kind of guy I want to sit down and have the beer with. And I was like, well, that's what he was doing that night. You know, he was drunk driving and he got pulled over. And the officer was insane and shot him six times. And that's. Because they thought he had a gun. right? They had already searched him and he did not have a gun and they knew he didn't have a gun.

Something happened where he picked up his French fries because he had gone through a drive-through. They had followed him for five miles and he didn't do anything wrong. And then he stopped too far into a crosswalk. And then he went through the drive-thru. And he was drinking and driving, which obviously he shouldn't have. they searched him, they knew he had no gun, the least violent man. Like he has no, nothing. He's never done anything to hurt anyone in his life, right? And he was explaining to them, I was just going back to the drive-thru

because they got my order wrong, and he picked up his bag of French fries. And in the report, the cop said something along the lines of he was aggressively waving his fries at me. And he shot him six times. And the other officer was in the line of fire. And so like when we went, you know, to court and everything, she testified because she had filed a report that week. If someone doesn't get him off of the force, he's going to kill someone.

Yeah. So it was literally wrong place, wrong time. And Jonathan kept saying, he's like he's showing me this box of like, this was literally down to the. second of wrong place, wrong time. How are you feeling wrong thing? I mean, that's a fucked up story, and I don't want to take away from that. How would he have known that? I mean, he didn't know that.

He was giving little clues, and I'm sure, leading you to that. I said nothing about, I said nothing about who... I mean, it's kind of specific, wrong place, wrong time. Well, let me just say something. Let me say something. He kept saying cops and badges and wrongly. and wrong doing by the cops. Sure.

Hold on. Yeah, yeah. I mean that is. I need to make a point because you do talk about your dad and stuff, but the episode that was just out wasn't out prior to you speaking to Jonathan. So it's not like he could have heard anything on the podcast either. Listen, I mean, I would like to believe it. How about the other thing?

Let me just say one other thing that happened with Olivia. And we won't name names or anything. But after the reading, Jeff asked her, was there anything that didn't really ring true, like, that didn't feel right? I'll let you tell it, though. Yeah. So at one point before he went in on my dad, he was like, has anyone in your family, like in your close family recently had a miscarriage, a stillborn, lost a baby? And I was like, no. And he was like, mm, he's showing me this.

baby. Your grandpa's showing me this baby and saying it's okay. And he was kind of like persistent on it. And I was like, I literally don't know what you're talking about. And he's like, okay, well, he's not letting it go. And I was like, all right. So when Jeff was like, did anything like flag you that wasn't accurate, I was like, yeah, my grandpa was showing a baby that, you know, and I explained it to him. And he's like, Olivia, your cousin. And obviously I'm not going to say which cousin. I have plenty of cousins, but she did just go through a couple of really traumatic experiences. And I was like, oh, my God.

And that's her grandpa. Have we swayed you, Rob? I'm not swayed. No, I'm not swayed. I thought it was interesting that has. I was saying no to him. I was like, no, not at all. And he was like, well, he's showing me this. He's showing me this baby, and he's showing me,

and he wasn't letting it go. And I was like, that's no. Like, it's like a hard no. And then I think I was just like so in it that I wasn't thinking. I think you need to have a like level of believing in things like that to even accept that. I think that people that are spiritual and believe in those things can experience them. I'm not saying that you're full of shit.

If you say you see a ghost and you believe in ghosts, I believe that they think they saw a ghost and can connect those dots. But that it's not real? I don't personally, like I haven't seen a ghost before. And I think maybe that's because I've closed off. and don't believe in them. But I haven't seen a ghost, and I still was all about it. And I will say he said things to me about past relationships

that nobody would know. Except me. Well, yeah, you know. Yeah, I mean, I just don't believe in supernatural powers. You don't at all. It's not that specifically I think Jonathan is lying or full of shit or anything, or that he's like a con man.

that at all. I just, yeah, I don't believe in that supernatural stuff. So you don't think anyone has that gift. It's not just that you don't think Jonathan does. You don't think anyone does it? I don't think anyone does it. I'm not, I wouldn't say I don't believe that there's like spirits and energies and things like that. I just don't know that I fully believe that there is a person that's channeling that and over Zoom can be like, All right, here's your... Well, how do you explain it? How do you explain him knowing things that are actually impossible to look up?

I don't know. It's tough. I get it because even as someone who does buy into that stuff and believe it, I don't think everyone that claims to have that power has that power. Yeah, maybe that's it. I do believe that he does have a gift. Yeah. And even in the moment, too,

I was trying to be skeptical because I'm like, well, could he, could he, could he? But then when he started, even like certain things, like when he was referencing my sister, he's like, tell her she's a knucklehead. And like the way he did it was like my dad.

You know, like literal words my dad would have used. Like it was bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I would have to experience it to. I really do think that you need a. reading with him. Yeah.

So do you believe that people can be psychic? No. Oh, interesting. Well, you know it's been proven that we only use a certain amount of our brain, right? And our power. That doesn't, that's not, that's not facts towards that you can use your brain to then tell the future. Or what, I mean, what, can we define psychic or what, you?

you mean by psychic abilities? Yeah, someone that has premonitions, someone that can see something happen before it does. Right? Yeah. So there's psychics, there's mediums, clairvoyance, or psychics, right? Mm-hmm. So you don't believe in any of that stuff? Like, like 95% know on that?

So why would the FBI use people to help themselves cases? Because why not? If it's like a cold case and they are trying, like they still need to go back it up by facts. So why not? If this person is claiming that they can give us a lead on something because we have

nowhere else to go. Go ahead, Rachel. No, I was just going to say, you know, and you'll listen to our conversation and he tells a story about being a kid and like, these aren't things you can make up. So I think people should just hang tight, hear a conversation with him.

I think Rob needs a reading with him. Agreed. So Jonathan, please give Rob a reading. And you need to experience it for yourself. And then we'll talk about it. Yeah, well, and I don't want to be disrespectful to him and what he does either. I know it's not personal towards him.

Not at all. I'm just being honest about how I feel about... And a lot of people feel that way, the same way you do, I'm sure. Yeah, and I think it's important that going into this conversation that we have that as part of the conversation. I agree. Have you lost anyone? Yeah, I don't have any.

His grandpa member? All my grandparents are on. His grandpa, his grandpa that crashed his car into the side of the bank. And he said, what do you say again? I didn't know they had a drive-through. What do you say? I want to meet him.

I want to meet him. We need Jonathan on because I would love to meet him. You went, yeah, he was, yeah. Jonathan's also just like a precious little soul. He really is. He's so genuine. I can't understand. I mean, I liked him.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not about that. I know. And I also feel for him because I feel like that would be a really, really, aside from the job, right? Like aside from that being a really hard job and seeing ghosts and dead people and all the darkness that comes with it, I think it would be really hard. too because everything you do, someone's skeptical of you. And that would be a shitty.

You're always constantly trying to prove yourself. Yeah, that's shitty feeling. Like, I was doing this and wasn't my choice and yet being doubted. And Rob's telling me that I'm all of shit. Rob's shitting all over it. Well, I mean, look, you're not saying he's not. You're just saying you don't believe that that's a thing, period. Right.

And it would take a lot to convince me. Like, even some of the, like, breadcrumming along the way, I don't think, fully convinces me of like here's some broader statements that a lot of people are going to connect to. Who would connect to their family? Tell me who would connect to that story though? So me, like part of that when I hear is like, all right, there's something more than your grandpa you've established, which then what relationship then to you would be more impactful that you'd want to know about? Okay, it's probably one of your parents. I think, I mean, it just seems like something that you can read into someone a bit.

Oh, you look at me and you're like, that girl, daddy issues. Yeah. But, I mean, that's how, not saying that's how he does it, but that's how people like that, or that's how. But that's still some kind of intuition then. That's a gift. Sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's an intuition. I think that's impressive, too.

And that's more impressive from a psychological level of being able to read people that well. When he started saying he's throwing badges at me, like, that's when I started getting, like, a little nauseous in my tummy. You know what I mean? Right. I mean that, yeah. I don't know how to explain that. I don't know if, like, I wasn't there.

So, like, maybe you had a, you had a plaque of your dad on the wall behind you that he could see. I was like this. I said absolutely zero words. the whole time he was saying. He did say that to me. He was like, Olivia didn't really talk. I didn't. She was pretty silent.

I was just, like, laughing at my grandpa. But he did say that you did not talk most of the time and he just listened. I didn't want to give him a single thing. Yeah. She challenged him. Why didn't you? Because I feel like out of the three of us,

you're the most open to this sort of thing. Well, because I believe, that I didn't know him. I didn't know what his capabilities were. I believe there are a lot of people out there that claim to have gifts that they don't. And I'm actually really skeptical when it comes to that stuff

because I don't want to give him anything. I want to see what they come with and, you know, take it from there. But like, I didn't want to lead him in any way. And even as he was doing it, I was feeling skeptical. I was like, is this? But then once he started saying

he was murdered and started he's like, he just keeps throwing badges at me and he's mad at the cops. The cops did this. It was wrong of them. Like, that's when I started being like, you know.

Rob doesn't look convinced, but I mean, you're doing a really good job, Olivia. I'm also in my mind just thinking, like, if this exists, does that mean that there's a little gang of ghosts around all of us that unless we go higher someone like Jonathan,

which 0.005% of the world are going to actually do, they just go silent and are these tortured spirits following us around are trying to tell us these things? Or are they only come in when there's a vessel that can connect? Oh, no, I see. I think they're coming through all the time. I think that they are communicating with us in ways that

unless we have an activated conscious presence to us, we're not seeing, right? But the more in tune and in touch we are with our spirit, the more we're probably open to seeing how they're communicating with us all the time. That's my thoughts. Fair. And I will give you this. I think that obviously out of the three of us, the reason I'm probably the most open to it is because I formed that at 15 years old when my dad died. It was like I needed that

in order to function and survive. And so I get that that's a thing. But through it, I've seen that it's only made my life better. So I'm going to go ahead and do that. I think that was kind of the point I was not successfully trying to make earlier. I think if people are getting positivity out of it,

then that's great. I'm not trying to stomp on that either. You're just asking me what I think of it. And normally I would just sit silently and not say anything. What's your dad's name? I'll see if I can find anything. Michael Allen. I want a very generic name.

But you have to find it going through her. though, because, like... How would he know my dad's name? Yeah. Well, like a family tree. Yeah, he's not on any of the 23Mee or any of that stuff. I don't know. This is still...

Coming up with nothing. Hey, try. The name doesn't help. I mean, Michael Allen couldn't be more like... Yeah. The fact that the name is that generic is not making it easy to find anything. Right. So that works in your favor.

I know. Oh, look at Rob, actually giving you a little crumb. Well, why don't we listen to the conversation? Let's cue the spooky music. Welcome, Jonathan Mark, the psychic medium. So obviously you have this gift, but how did you know you had it? Like, when did it, you know what I mean? Like, how did it come about?

Yeah, it's kind of a, I guess a funny. like weird story, but when I was about four, three or four, that's when I said my first thing. And my mom's sister passed away when I was six months old. And I never met her. Her name is Susan. And I'm sure like in your family, just like in my family, there's pictures of people like everywhere. So it was Easter time. And I walked up to my mom and she was with her other sister and my grandfather.

And I said like Susan's here and everyone starts to laugh and kind of like shake it off. like, you know, there's pictures and stuff. Like he has an imagination. And then I said, no, she's grabbing a jean jacket. She's thanking you. She's, like, smiling and grabbing a jean jacket. So my mom turned white like a ghost because they were best friends. They lived together and it would still close in each other.

So when the burial service and everything happened, when everyone left, my mom walked in where the casket was and put the jean jacket on her and closed the casket because she wanted my aunt to be warm when she was underground. I know it's like weird and stuff, but she's just like, that was her Yeah, it was just like she wanted. It was their favorite jean jacket. They would steal back and forth from each other.

And then my mom's, I guess, eyes got really wine. She started to like cry. And my grandpa, I'll never forget this. He had like, what the fucks this kid talking about? And my mom told the story to everyone. And then everyone kind of looked at me like, what the hell is kids like? Like, how did

he know this? And then as like years went on, I was seeing like a lot of other things and other people's family and just things I didn't really want to see at like a younger age and stuff. And then I wanted to be normal too. As I got to a certain age, I realized what I was seeing and feeling and all that. Like not everyone was to that extent or not anyone was at all. And I wanted to be normal. Like I wanted to play sports. I wanted to go out my friends and party and just be like as normal as possible. But it got to a point where as I kept getting older, I used this term. Like my funnels kept getting wider and wider.

So everything was coming more clearly. I was able to understand more. And I thought I was schizophrenic when I was like going off to college. Like I didn't know what was going on. And I thought like I was going crazy. Like it was a really weird time. So how did it, when did you, you know, realize that it was a gift and turn it around essentially? So I went off to school and my mom would go to mediums and stuff.

And she's like, I'm going to this medium. And she's like, I can ask if you want. So for me being 18, 19, whatever, I thought a medium was like crystal ball, long nails, kind of like what a stereotypical, like person would be, I guess with that. And she was like, do you want me to ask? I was like, I guess. Like, I don't know. So I came home during winter break.

And she asked the medium and the medium's like, this kid could be crazy. I have no idea. You have to bring him in. Like, I have no idea. So I walk in and she's like, yeah, holy shit. Like I've never seen someone this developed this young, like fast. She's like, can I teach you? Like, can I help you like understand what you're seeing?

Because I didn't know. And I was like, hell no. I was like, absolutely not. I was like, no way. I'm like, I'm going back to school, like playing lacrosse. Like I want to enjoy like my time. And then literally as I got into the car, I was like, shit. I'm like, should have taken her up on this offer because if I wasn't going to

like do the medium stuff. I always wanted to help people. So I was either going to do a military, law enforcement, all of that. So she kind of like helped me understand what I was seeing. And I caught up to the level she was at. And she was doing it for like 10 years and like six months. And she was just like, you know, now you have to go off on your own. Like I can't really help you.

So then my mom became like bringing friends. I've never met from work and all that. Like, you know, things like that. And she just became like my biggest fan with it. But my family was like, yo, like, don't encourage this, like, me to, like, do this. He's like, that's so weird. Like, in the beginning, everyone was saying that because I come from a Jewish and Italian family. Yeah, me too.

Yeah. And it's like, I'm sure. Yeah. So, so you know, it's just like, that's like taboo stuff. And they don't like to talk about it. So it was hard to convince my family in the beginning of, like, what was going to happen, like, what was going on. But that's basically how it, like, started with, like, everything. do you get messages for yourself too or is it just for other people?

I wish it was for myself. I mean, I have so many questions for myself. I wish I can have the answers for it. But it's always for other people. And it's always a lot of times now I've learned to kind of like ignore it. So like when I'm in public, I'm not going to walk up to someone and be like, Grandma Judy is here. Like, you know, I don't want to do that because I know that's invading people's like privacy and stuff.

but I do get messages when it comes for health like stuff where I'm like, hey, you need to go to like a doctor as fast as you possibly can and I have done it and it's helped out tremendous but that's the stuff I will approach someone for if I'm like I see like

something that's going to happen as far as like a heart attack or something like that then I woke up to him to be like get to the hospital like go go go but anything else for like Grandma Judy I'm not doing that. Right. I've always wished someone would come up to me and do that.

I'm like walking to the world being like, tell me Grandma Judy's here. A lot of people are like that. A lot of people are like, tell me anything and everything. And then when you tell them, like they're really nitty-gritty stuff, they like,

they don't know how to digest it at times. So now I've learned to really like be very careful. Like if someone asked me out in public about something, I'm very careful with it because I don't want anyone, I don't want to say something that's like overstepping in someone's personal life when there's other people around them and stuff. So now I've learned Grandma Judy's here and just keep it going. Right.

What's one of the craziest things that you've ever, you know, gotten a message about or given a message to, you know what I mean? Like, do you have any crazy stories? Yeah, I was starting. I've never like shared this like ever. So I was doing a really. reading. It was a family of like an aunt and a niece and a nephew. And they were sitting down and I'm kind of like talking and starting the reading. And the nephew was probably 1819, I'd probably say. So he wasn't

like, he was young, but not like a 12 year old. I see something very like disturbing. And I didn't want to say in front of anyone. So I said, can you come with me to the other room? I go to the other room and I say, hey, dude, like, I'm going to be honest with you. And I told him that I saw that he was planning like a hate crime like going down south and starting and like going to like do something like really bad like very very very bad and I told him I'm like listen I'm like I'm like I'm telling you this now because I'm going to tell your aunt and like I'm just telling you as a man to man because like this is not okay what I see and the aunt like I told the aunt and she's like I don't know I don't know so she calls his father and they go on his computer and they find out that

he was going to go to the South, meet up with a group of people that are essentially, you know, like white supremacy people and go and start shooting and stuff. Like there was a whole plan, like a whole thing. So that was something that was like pretty crazy to me where I was like, I'm very thankful that I was kind of able to stop like something. And it was like very disturbing just to even see because like typically that's not the normal of like what I would see for like a reading and stuff. So yeah, that's pretty crazy. So it's so interesting to me because like a medium, obviously you can speak to people from the other side and all that.

But then there's also these like kind of psychic messages, you know, and premonitions, right? So is there a difference when you're saying you're a medium versus someone who's like a psychic or, you know, what's the difference? Yeah. So like a medium is someone who connects to the other side. So like when it comes to those like psychic moments like like that, it was more so his family member. and the other side was like giving me the information. A psychic is only just focusing on like the future and like, and typically with like the future stuff,

it's like relationship, finances and things like that that people go to, like career advice. But like a medium really just like uses like their, you know, gift as like a tool for if something's going to happen. Because typically it's the near future. It's not like far, far, far future. Because like the far, far, far future in my opinion, and it's too hard, even if you ask them to predict,

because everyone has such, like, free will. So, like, if you're driving down the street and you go left every day, and I tell you, stay left, but then there's an accident, you have to go right. Well, then it's just, like, everything, like, change because you went right instead of staying left the entire time.

So I try to explain to people when they ask me, like, stuff, like, years out. I'm like, it's just not realistic to, like, do. Right. Right. So you, I know that you use your gift, in many ways, and I know you help out, like, with cases and stuff, right? Yeah. That sounds so fun to me because, like, personally, I'm like, I just want to be a detective.

Yeah. I'm like, what happened to my aunt? No. Yeah, just go look at this question. We'll talk after. Yeah, we'll talk after. Yeah, seriously. But, like, so do they call upon you and then you, do you research it?

Like, how does that talk about? Yeah, so I recently just got a call today is Monday on Saturday. Saturday that a case was reopened from 1987 and the NYPD like recommended to reach out to me to like investigate. So I don't ask for any background. I don't want to know the background of any case. Like because I feel like if I do, it's going to taint the reading like way too much. Like I'm going to like read and then think it's someone when it could not be someone, which has like has happened where it's like people think it's one person and then it's like it's not that person or to go down different avenue. So yeah, the families call on me a lot. The PIs, detectives, like FBI, like, they'll call

on, like, different cases and stuff when it's like cold case missing persons or corporate cases are like a new thing with like technology stuff and all that. It's kind of crazy. I have like over 400 cold cases. People want me to like work on right now. Have you solved any? I solved a bunch. Yeah. What does that feel when that happens? It's a humbling, experience because it's, the best way I can explain it is like you're giving the, my first thing is to give the family closure and then the answers because they're struggling. But to see them get the sigh of relief, just like to see the wake it lives off their shoulders when they're able to reopen a case or turn a corner. It's like the best humbling experience that I can't even like explain because just to see the families just like take a deep breath and they're like, okay, like now I can start to get justice for whoever. It's the best thing, like the absolute best thing. Are there any cases that you're allowed to talk about or tell a story of what happened and how you solved it? Yeah, so I just solved the case last week.

I got a call and the case was, and I call this the new wave of cases because of the technology that's going on. People at a very big, like, corporation, like someone was hacking into their stuff and was going to leak very, you know, intense, I guess you could say. say like files of like personal stuff with people. So I get called on. I tell them who to look at, describe what the person looked like, but really tell them who to look at. The first initial reaction from people is like, yo, like this shit is bullshit.

Like no way. And then it raises curiosity. And then people look and they look in their computer and they see all the anonymous emails, the cryptid emails. So weeks go by and then they call me like, hey, like what you said? and they show me a picture of the guy. And they're like, this is the person who you said with the name and all that. And that's also like a humbling experience too because when you're helping out like a corporate place,

those people are very like analytical. They're not as open-minded as like people are. And for them just even rely on me or ask me was nice. But then when they, when you speak to them, they're like, you can tell. They're like, yeah, this is bullshit. Like, why are we on the phone with this kid? Yeah, exactly. Like, we'll give it a chance.

This is bullshit. And then there's another one I can talk about. This woman got murdered and they didn't know who it was. And they called me and the PI and detectives call me. And they're like, listen, the case is about to be closed in two weeks because there's no new evidence or no new anything for us to keep it open. They're like, can you help us? And I was like, sure, let me read this person. So I read this person and this person was in a cult.

and not like a cult I guess what people see on like TV it was a cult like a wellness cult or something where like they're very intense in like the wellness stuff but it's like once you're in it it's like impossible to get out of and they basically control you and they thought it was this one guy

and they were like so positive and they're like we're going to go get a warrant look at him and I was like no way I'm like it's this person please like start looking like into it So I don't hear about it right away. So like I wish I was on like the emails where I could hear about like in real time. But three months go by, four months go by.

I get a call from the family and the detective on one call and they're like the person who you told us was the person who did it. Wow. And they're like and they're like we weren't going to look at it like look at him essentially. And they're like, but you just raised red flags for us during that like session. And they're like, we just decide just like, hey, like why not? Just like look at it. And they did, and then I guess they found things that, like, traced back because that happened like 30 years ago or 40 years ago. Yeah, it wasn't recent.

But there was stuff that happened a couple years ago that they were able to reopen the case again, but they were about to close it. Just like what they called me this weekend, it was closed since 1987, and then they found something and now it's reopened again. Which case is that? The 1980, I mean, you can't say or you can't. I can't say because I'm literally speaking to the person tomorrow to help them. yeah like literally tomorrow they're going to come by and we're going to do the reading and stuff and see what I can help out with if I can and I hope I can how does that feel in your body doing the readings like do you get different sensations feelings like does it stick with you

is it dark light like what is it like for you it sticks with me and it's definitely very dark I'm not going to like talking about murder and stuff is like super difficult and and you could the pain when you're reading someone too. So it's like you're seeing their pain, what's coming through, and like the person who you're like connecting to, which is typically the victim who like I'm reading. So it's like the victim's family who I'm speaking to. And there like on every side, everyone is like hurting. So it's like super difficult. But when I'm able to help them, that's when I'm like, I see the light at the end of the tunnel with it because I was very apprehensive of even doing cold case stuff because of how dark it is.

But then when I saw how much it can help these families, then I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to bite the bullet. And no matter how much it plays in my mental state, I'm going to help these families. Like, I don't care. Wow. Have you found a way to care for yourself in that, like to protect yourself from it? Or do you need recovery time? Can you turn it on and off?

what is your relationship with the self-care around it? At first it was very difficult. I'm not going to lie. At first, I would go, go, go and burn myself out. Go, go, go, go. And then I would get very, like, moody is the word I'll use. Like, I'll be on edge with everything, with everyone. And I was like, that's not a way for me to live.

And then I kind of learned how just to ignore it and just to like push it aside. and go surfing and snowboarding and just like the things that make me happy and just be around friends and family that kind of bring back that like positive I guess like light into my life but there was recently a time where I kept pushing and pushing and pushing like literally last month I kept going going going with cold case with readings with this and that and my body like literally was like hey you have to stop where I went blind to my left eye for an hour like I literally woke up went to the gym in the morning like I always see before I do everything and as I was leaving like it looked like I stared into

the sun and then I couldn't see for an hour and like my left eye was like completely gone I went to like doctors everyone and they're like you're completely fine like we don't understand like what happened and that was just like to me a major sign like I need to slow down sometimes and I can't just like as much as I want to help everyone in the world which I do I can't like I can't do that It sucks, but I can't. I mean, it sounds like a ton of energy goes towards it. I just feel like, like, all I can think about is like if you're just hanging out with friends, or you just hanging out and all of a sudden, boom, a ghost pops up right next to one of them.

And like, you're like the movie or the show, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like, no, like that happens. Does it really? Yeah, it like literally happens. I'm just like, I'm just like, Jesus Christ, I can't have a fucking beer without like this coming through. I'm like, oh my God. This is so annoying.

But yeah, it happens. And then unless it's something super significant, like even if it's not a health thing, but something serious, I'll typically tell, like, if I'm with my friends. But even my friends had to accept, like, what I did to. Like, they weren't like, you know, fully okay with it, I guess, for a while, which sucked. But, like, once they became okay with it, then they were more curious about it. So then I was able to say the stuff that I wanted to say to them. But most of them at first were not okay with it.

have you felt yourself get more guarded? Because I know even, you know, it's not the same, being a celebrity, being a medium. Like I remember when Rachel first got famous, it was like there was this sort of guard we all put around her. Because like all of a sudden, everybody wanted something, you know? And I feel like that alone is draining where did you experience that. Like everyone wants something from you at all times, right? It literally just start happening like the last like six months, eight months, where people who I've spoken to in like Hollywood or whatever who promised me the world,

gave me nothing, start reaching out and trying to like, you know, like, hey, we hear this is going on. Like we want to help you. And yeah, it's and just like in my personal life too with like the medium stuff. Like people now want to know so many things and they don't know like a boundary. And they and they don't know that like. I'm trying to watch TV. I'm just trying to watch TV. Like, you know, like, I'm just trying to, like, chill out.

Like, and people just don't understand that now. So, yeah, it's been tough. It's been, like, a tough road. But my family has been, and my girlfriend, honestly, has been, like, the best with it. Like, they've been, like, to help me stay, like, focus. I want you to need to do and not be distracted and not, you know, it's been difficult. It's been hard. I'm not going to, like, lie.

I would imagine that it. would be and quite isolating in a way because your experience is just so vastly different from the common person. Yeah. Do you think we all have it in us? I do. I think like, and I try to use this phrase. I feel like everyone can sing, but not everyone can sing like Frank Sinatra. So everyone can sing and then everyone can work to get to a certain point where like maybe that's their best at singing. You can't do any more, can't do any less. I feel that's the same with. everyone. And I also don't feel as cookie cut as just being a medium. I think people

clairvoyant or psychics, empaths. Like, I think people, like, thrive in different areas with it. So I really do believe that everyone has like some type of ability. Yeah. And what about like, do you channel what, because like when I help people,

there's oftentimes where I feel and I always say this, I'm like write it down because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Right? Like, I'll say things. And my friends, to look at me like, what was that? I'm like, I don't know. You know? And it doesn't feel like I have anything to do with it. Is that a thing for you? Is it like channeling through you?

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's like exactly that. And then like when you see me like focus and like stare down like before, I try to explain to people like imagine you're getting screenshots in your head like a fast movie. So like they try to relate it to things that I know. So when I saw your grandfather like William, I saw my, grandfather that passed away. And that's how I knew it was a grandfather or like a William name. And like that's kind of what they tried to do for me. At first it was

initials. At first they would show me like very simplistic things because they were trying to train my eye and like what was going on and then eventually it evolved. Does it surprise you? Yeah. Like do you ever surprise yourself and be like damn? I don't know. That was good.

Yeah, sometimes like in my head I'm like, holy shit, that was fucking great. I'm like, wow. I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, I tried to look like so calm, but I'm like, holy shit, that was pretty fucking sweet. I'm like, this was sick. Have you ever been shown something or told something like so horrific that you don't even know how to relay it to someone else?

Good question. Yeah. Yeah. It's most of the time when I do rings, people can see it on my face, like when that comes up. Like, I'm typically like really focused. but when people see me start rubbing my beard and like really like focusing in my face turns like white, it's typically like when someone gets like touched inappropriately by family member or things like that that were like it's very hard for me to say to someone because they look so broken.

Yeah. And people always think it's a female and I try to like remind people like it's not. Like I read dudes that have this issue like military, law enforcement, like people go through like some stuff and it's like it's hard because like I don't know how to say it to them sometimes because they look broken as it is. And I don't want to like throw salt in the wound type of thing. But I've realized like when you say those tough moments, it gives them that step forward and that like coming at peace with it

or the closure part of it. The more you don't say it is the more they're going to harbor onto it. I've realized because at first I used to not say it because I was too scared to. I was like, I'm not going to bring this up like. But then I've realized like I'm doing them a disservice because that's very personal, intimate, like, they need to hear it. And, like, I'm not going to go around, like, saying it. So if they want to talk about it, they can, but I would never.

But, yeah, it's been really difficult with that stuff. Yeah, because I would imagine most people that would be compelled to see a medium have a reason, right? Most, yeah. I would probably say, like, 95%. Yeah, I would say that there's, like, a rare, like, instance where people like, oh, I heard it's going to be a fun night or a fun time. so I wanted to do it, which I do get that sometime. And then I stop them and I'm like, this is not for you then.

Because I take this so seriously. Like I don't want people to think like I'm going to like just make it a fun night for someone. Like it's not supposed to be like that. Like, yes, like it's supposed to be a great experience and that's what I want to give to people. But when they're sitting there with their wine and just slugging wine and they're like, this is like not for us. You're not a magician. Exactly.

Exactly. I'm not like an act. Like, you don't call me in and then I dance and then you're done and whatever. And I try to get people to realize that, that like, I'm not someone who, like, you want me to dance for you or to do what I do. And then when you're done with me, you just throw me to, like, the curb. It's, I've experienced that a lot, obviously. Yeah, yeah.

If you couldn't tell. But, yeah, it's been an interesting, like, road with that stuff. Sure. Do you ever get messages at, like, the most inopportune times, like, when you're with your girlfriend, like, having sex or something? Thankfully, thankfully, no. I've caught... Yeah.

Yeah, now I'm going to be like... No, like, what? No, I've actually caught an ex-girlfriend cheating from, like, her relative. Like... Oh, wow. Yeah, like, we were just laying in my bed, like, not having sex or anything.

And her grandfather brought up someone's name and kept saying it and, like, kept showing it to me. And she didn't believe in this stuff anyway. So like she would like be super rude about it and stuff. So I said to her, I go, who is this person? And she goes, what? And I said it again. And she turned white like a ghost.

And she goes, that's my, she goes, that's not my ex-boyfriend. That's the ex before that. And I was with him a couple nights ago. And I basically admitted that she cheated on me. And so once that happened, I was like, I'm never going to like use this when I'm in a relationship or whatever because like I don't want to know like that.

Like that was like the worst feeling. to find out like that. It sucked. You're like to find out from your dead grandfother was bringing in my ears not the way you want to find out. I mean, but you did get to find out.

I mean, also that's I mean, not to be rude, but it's kind of shitty that she didn't believe in your... Oh, yeah. It was fucked up. Yeah. It was it was fucked up

because like I tried to like bring her into like experience one. So I spoke to someone and I was like, hey, do you mind if she sits in? so she can see like what I do because she has no idea. And they're like, sure, she gets up five minutes and just walks out and leaves. Like, in that like, like super rude shit like that.

And I'm an idiot for obviously. And this was a long time ago, but I was an idiot for even thinking like I can make it work. Like I was a fucking idiot. But now. Yeah. Yeah. You're still young. How old are you?

I'm 30. Oh my gosh. You're so young. What sign are you? I'm a Capricorn. Capricorn. Okay, cool. Yeah, I like Capricorn. I heard bad things about Cap, like, people like, all you do is just focus on your work and that's it. And it probably couldn't be more true.

I don't know much about Capricorn. I don't know. I don't know that I do either. Do you believe in God? I believe there's something out there. Yeah. I believe like there's definitely some something, someone, something out there. But I'm not 100%. Like, I've never died. So like I can't like, like when people ask me about like the other, It's like I've never died, so I can't give, like, to my knowledge that I can't give you, like, an exact thing. But yeah, I definitely believe there's someone, something out there for sure. Do you see people, like, when you saw or you were talking, I don't know if you actually see them, but my grandfather, do you see them? Do you see where they are? Is it like a vision or is it talking? The best way, yeah, the best way I can explain it. It's like, imagine there's like an energy blob. And it's just like they can travel at like the speed of light. And it's like one of those. but when they hit a surface for me,

so whether it's a blank service, whether it's the floor, the wall, whatever, it kind of morphs into like what I need, but then they shoot it into my head so I could get a more descriptive story. Sometimes I'll see them. Sometimes I'll see facial features, like things that are just like,

if someone has a scar in their cheek, a mole on their face or something like that, I'll see that. But like, when it comes to a reading, I don't like actually see them how I see you. But when I'm laying in bed and shit at night, that's when they actually come and I'm actually able to see them.

What? It's like when I'm literally in my fucking bed. Oh, great. So you sleep well. Yeah, I haven't slept in the last like 10 years. So I've been the worst sleeps ever, ever, ever. So do you have like nightmares? Like, what's that like?

Do they come into your dreams? Like, does it haunt you? Or is it just kind of leaves it like when it's left behind before you fall asleep? Does that make sense? No, no. I know it's happening. Yeah. I know exactly what you're saying.

They come in, like, typically every night or pretty often, the person who I'm reading the next day, their family members will come in my dream, so they're able to be said first. So, like, if I'm reading someone and I'm going to use Grandma Judy again, Grandma Judy keeps coming through and keeps showing me stuff, she wants to be said first. And so, like, I'll get that pretty often,

but sometimes it is hard for me to tell difference between, like, a visit, a dream and a nightmare, because they're all like so descriptive and so like weird. Like it's weird. Like I don't know how to explain it. Like even though I do this every day, I try to tell people, like I still think it's so fucking weird.

Like I can't wrap my head around it still. Like it's something I still cannot understand fully. But it's, yeah, it's weird. But I'm very fortunate to have this, but it's weird. Well, we could tell. Like as soon as you got on with us, you're like, okay, this is super weird. Like I do this and I stare off.

And like, yeah, yeah. And like, that's not weird at all. Like, we get it. You know?

Yeah, it's not weird. So far has been weird. At all. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. But just the fact that you are still kind of, you know,

just wrapping your head around all of this. Because what an experience and what a life to live and what a gift to share and all of that. And I know there's skeptics out there and anything else. But, you know, you're literally just, you have no control. Like,

it just is. It just is. Right? Yeah, and that's what I tell people, too. It's like, for the people that are skeptics or whatever, I understand because it's hard to wrap your head around. It's hard to wrap my head around it. I just tell people like there's more to this world and to like what,

like what we know than like things aren't so black and white. I try to tell people. And I always say like sit down me for 10 minutes if you're skeptical and like let me change your mind. Like don't go into it. Like I would say just come sit down for 10 minutes and just let me change your mind because, like, I'm not going to battle someone if they believe it, if they don't, sit down and experience it for yourself. And then you can make your assessment there, I guess.

But don't just go, like, walk around without experiencing something, saying, like, something is bullshit if you haven't experienced it. But I do understand, like, how people are like, what the fuck is going on? Like, that is, like, so weird. And there also are a lot of people that pretend to have all different types of gifts, right? and try and make money off of, you know, vulnerable people and, you know. And there's about like 50 fake accounts of me on like social media, about 50 to 80 on like TikTok and Instagram. And they've stolen up to like 60 grand worth of money from people just like praying on people

and praying on all these people. And it's like, I feel so bad because I get hundreds of DMs a day being like, is this you? Like, is this you? And it's like, no, like I can't answer everyone. And I've witnessed someone in person, like, I call it cold reading where they basically ask you and then you give them the information. So I'd be like, I see like a grandmother, it'd be like, oh, Grandma Judy. And they'd be like, that's who's there.

Like, I've witnessed it in person at a bar with some person and it's all over. Like, it sucks. It is. I got a request from someone that I know that does, like, I think she does like astrology or something. but I got a Instagram thing saying like oh I would love to offer you a reading and I thought this was someone I knew

so I was like oh amazing yeah totally she's like okay great we'll set it up for Thursday just venmo and I was like and so I contacted her yeah I'd be like okay here you go five names like no but my I've told

I don't know if I've told this story on the podcast maybe, but my husband and I once, we went to an evening where everyone was drinking wine and they're like, oh, there's going to be a medium there and he's going to go around and he's going to talk to people. He either calls on you or he doesn't. And he looked at me and he goes, and my husband was like on the other side of a table. Like we weren't together. We were not married. We had only been dating like three months. And he looks at me and he said, are you ready to be a mom? and I was like, huh? He's like, there's a soul here, there's a baby here that's ready for you.

And then he turns and he looks over at my husband on the other side of the table and he said, are you ready to be a dad? And he goes, no, not at all. And he said, well, get ready because this soul's already chosen you guys as its parents. And like when we had our first... And that night, they couldn't... I was about to say that he broke up with me. I swear he broke up with me.

Remember? That's when he like, bailed. He freaked out. But when we got back together, anyways, we had two kids. And we always think about that night. And we're like, yeah, I had something similar to, I've told it, right? I feel like I've told this. Yeah, maybe.

I had a woman tell me when my daughter was ready to come in. Like, everything was right on, you know? Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I've had experience. That's more like clairvoyancy. Yeah.

Than I think. That's awesome, though. That's like really cool. I would love to talk to someone to give me a reading or anything like that. Yeah. Do you ever want to go to like a medium and be like, tell me? Yeah, I always want to go to one. But every time I go to these mediums that I'm sure you guys know of them and stuff like the bigger ones and stuff that are on TV and all that. Are they all bullshit? Definitely. I don't think they're bullshit. No. I think they can definitely connect. And that's what people want. It's like people to connect and stuff.

But every time I go and I try to get a reading, they're like, you're too intimidating is what they say. They're like, you're very intimidating. So you've never had a reading from another medium? No. And it's because that like, I guess because I'm so hard on myself when it comes to readings. I want it to be as like validating specific to the person. Like I don't want to be generic at all. So I expect the same from another medium.

Like I don't expect, I don't expect them to be. like generic with me and they get really nervous and like, yeah, like we can't do it. Oh, that's so disappointing. It sucks because I have, I've lost unfortunately a lot of people in my life and I would just like just like just a simple reading just to have one. But it's okay though because like I know they're all there and they're all good. But I don't think I'm intimidating. I just think like I just I hold mediums to a higher like expectation because I hold myself there.

So if they're going to go out and read the public with people's emotions, they should really be like spot on and like not play with people's emotions and just do it. Like, I don't know, because I've heard people have stories and I'm like, you paid $1,000 for that? I'm like, what? Like that's crazy. Like, but people sometimes are just so desperate and they just want to hear something so they don't care. But it's for any individual, I guess, to make up their own mind. and stuff, but I'm just very hard on myself. Don't be hard on yourself.

I know. So there's probably people out there, they're like, oh, how can you do it over Zoom? Don't you have to be in person? How does that work? Yeah, I tell people that, like, they travel to speed of light. So it's just like, if I'm talking to,

like, they can go back and forth. Like, it's just one of those things. And I say the same thing to people, too. I'm like, listen, I'm like, sit down me for 10 minutes. And if you don't think it's whatever, then we need to sit down with Rob. I want to sit down with that. him.

Yeah, this morning when, who was it? Who? Katie. Yeah. The producer was like, oh, he can only read one of you. I was like, no. Yeah, I love you. I didn't know that there was two people.

I had no idea. Oh, you didn't know. Okay. So, and I said to her, I'm like, well, you don't know, because she's had a lot, she's lost a lot of very close people to her in her life. I'm like, it's going to be you. Like, that's who's going to, you know, pop up. I'm sure.

And that's what always happens. People come to me when they're in Paris. like I would be positive that this person's going to get a reading, then it's always the other person every time. And then at the end, they're like, holy shit. They're like, I've had like 15 people pass me. This person has like three. How the hell did that one of three come through and not my 15? And I was like, I wish I could like control it and just like lash on. And I can. If I were to like right now, like let's say I left camera and Olivia was just sitting in front of you, would you be able to read her? Or is it if the energy's in the room? It's this if the energy's in the room. And like I've caught people

also with like Zoom, like, whined to me about that stuff too, where it's like, they said it was, there was like an individual reading and that's fine. And then all of a sudden, another family's coming through very strong. And then I say to them, I'm like, who's in the room with you? Because there's a whole other family coming through. That's not even like a spouse's family or something. Like, I can tell the difference. And they always smile. And then they always go, oh, this person's behind this screen. Like, I thought it would be okay. They listened. And I'm like, your car and leave. I know. I mean,

I can be more serious. Like whenever you guys want, like an individual, like, after this week, we can set it up and like, we, I can do it.

Yeah. Like, I'll literally do it tomorrow for you. Like, I don't care. Okay. Yeah. We're ready.

We're ready. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is the most excited, like, by far for any guests. And we've had a lot of really incredible guests.

I'm sure. the stuff that's like, it's precious and rare and, you know. I still think he needs to read Rob. Rob, he's with us, usually, but he's a skeptic. Rob's messaging. Is he, what is he saying?

What is he saying? No, he's about me, not you. Okay. No, no, it's okay, yeah. Yeah, most people are, and it's fine. I mean, look, I'm sure you're a skeptic on certain people, too, right? And I think that no matter what anyone does, there's going to be skeptics, whether you're a medium or a dancer. People don't, listen. I played a doctor on TV.

There were many skeptics. Okay. No one bought it. But it's true. It's everywhere. But like if you have this and I love how you're just like, sit down with me for 10 minutes, you know? Like proof is in the pudding, if I do say so myself. Yeah. What about past lives? What is your thought on past lives? So I definitely think there's something there. I obviously don't remember mine, I guess.

I just don't know mine, but I know there's people that specialize in it, and I think that's like super cool. I just, I think there is a past life because I think like with your like family or core 300 people that like whatever, there's different relationships. So like maybe my mom was my sister because that's our relationship. We're just so close. Yeah. We're like, because she does all my appointments.

Like I don't let anyone touch it. Like she's the only one that like can do that stuff. And like I do think past lives play into like where we are now. It's just depending if someone can tap into it or not. Like I wish I could because I would love to know like what I did. Like was out of Salem getting like burned at the cross or like. We were with you. work.

Good, I'm not alone. I like that. I've looked at my son and I'm like, are you my uncle? Like, you know, like you, you know when you just like can feel something, you're like, are you? Because you kind of feel like him to me. Yeah. You know? For sure. Yeah, I literally do that with my cousin's child.

He looks just like my grandfather who passed away. And I look like a spitting image of my dad's biological father when he was my age. there's a picture of him in the Navy and you put a side by side, we look identical to each other. Like, it's so weird because, like, I get that picture sent to me from my family, like, every other week. Because, like, look how much you look like in. And I'm like, I get it. And it's super weird. So.

Oh, my goodness. It's so interesting. Yeah. What? I was going to say, are there times when the veil is thinner? Like, you know how they're like, oh, around Halloween, the veil gets thinner. or like, is there anything to seasons or light? And, like, any of that true for you?

I haven't experienced that. Okay. But I do know. Like, they're always bugging me. Yeah, they're literally always bugging me. But when you're just waking up or you're in that really tired phase, that's when, like, it comes through for most people. That's why people, like, when they're just falling asleep or just waking up,

they're like, holy shit, I thought I just saw something. And then you wake up and it's got. on, like, that's when, like, they say, like, people are the most, like, open, like, the complete most open. Because I don't know if you guys have had experience, but it's like when you're falling sleep or just waking up and you're looking around, then you see, like, a black thing just move very fast or something. And then you, like, all of a sudden, you jolt up and you're like, what the fuck was

that? And it's gone. That's when people are, like, the most open. So, like, that's what I've realized when it comes to people being, like, really open is that time. But maybe Halloween has an effect. Pocus, too, says so. So.

Hey, yeah. And what about when they come to you, like, if you dream about people that have passed on, I've heard that that's them. Oh, yeah. Is that in your dream talking to you? Is that really them visiting you? So I always started to explain to people the difference between like a dream and a visit or like a memory and a visit. Typically a visit is like their mouth doesn't really open all the time.

So like you'll just be with them and you'll get that emotional feeling. But it's the surroundings that they put you in is like the message. and if they're talking and it's a memory that you had, that's just a memory. So I try to tell people just to like, because sometimes people think like the memory they had was a visit. And I'm like, no, that's just a memory that you had. If you see them in a completely different setting that you've never seen before, I'm like, that's a visit.

So I'm like, you have to pay attention to like everything that's around you because like they're putting you in that situation or in that spot for like a reason. And people don't typically pay attention because they don't know that like. And sometimes people just forget their dreams. Like, you know, like, people just forget, like, what the hell happened, like, and which is so normal, but that's what I just tell people. Like, when you're in a different setting that you never been in before, if you wake up, like, try to, like, take note of it. Because there's a reason why they did that. I wonder why someone my grandma passed away.

Soon after, she passed away. In my dream, she came to me in my dream. Now, we were somewhere we had never been before together, but it was the 101 cafe. So I'm like, why? In Hollywood? Yeah, in Hollywood. But anyway, no, but she told me she was like, she told me she had to go. She was so tired because she, you know, she worked very hard for a whole life.

Yeah. And she just had to go. And she sat down with me at this cafe and told me. And it was a place we had never been. So I believe that that was a visit. Even though she was talking, I think she just wanted to communicate. She had to go. Yeah.

Like when they do talk to you like in a different setting, that's why I tell people to visit. It's just more so when people like are in a memory that they've had before and their talk. in the memory. Yeah. I'm like, that's completely different. And I try to explain to people, because a lot of people,

like I said, like always just want to believe. Like, they just want to believe everything and anything. And sometimes there's a clear difference of like a memory versus like what actually happened. So,

or like a dream or whatever. People also get addicted to it. Yeah. Like I've known people that like they go to this person and that person and this. And at a certain point, like for me, I'm like, you kind of got to make people.

with it, right? Oh, 100%. I don't let people come to me more than once a year. That's, see, I love that. Because it becomes, like, addicting to certain people that are really looking for comfort, right? I tell them, too. I'm like, what the hell is going to change, like, within, like, whatever. Like, that's just not, like, how it works. So I say, you come to me once a year. Like, and that's it. And, like, no more. And, you know, because I don't want people, one, spending their money on like something that I could have said however long ago, but also like things need to happen and things need to change for a reading to be a reading. Like you can't just keep coming and coming, but you're right. People like, I went to this medium and then this psychic and then this

medium and I was like, I smile and I'm just like, then why are you here? Like, you know what I mean? And I try to be honest with you, because I don't want them wasting their money and stuff, but a lot of them wait like two years to see me. And they like in that time, they like go to medium, medium and medium. And I'm just like, then why are you here? Like give it to someone. that really needs like this, that someone that hasn't gone to a medium or something. Right. Yeah.

So I try to limit, I try to limit those people as best as I can. Once they tell me, I'm like, yeah, this isn't for you then? Like, you know,

I'm sorry. Transference at that point in a little way, isn't it? Like they're going, does that happen with you? Yeah. And it's also like, I think they hang on to every word you say.

So I could say a bumblebee is stinging me. And they're like, oh my God, that means this. And it's like, It's like, no, it doesn't. Like, they're just trying to connect things that doesn't make sense. So, like, that's a big part of the reason why I, like, limit those people's because

they're also giving you information before you even say anything. Like, I want to hear from my mom, my dad, my brother, my sister. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, I don't want to know anything. Like, I just, like, that's why my mom does my appointment. She gets only their first name and she sends me a Zoom link. And I literally, she sends me text. She's like, I have an appointment at this time. And I click on to the link.

and I have to be honest too I'm really bad with names and like people so I've read people like a year, two years ago and I don't even remember them I'm like hi, nice to meet you and they're like you read me like last year they're like what and I do that on purpose because I don't want to remember

anything because I want to be yeah and like those people I don't know they it's like the obsession of like the medium thing it's like you it's like you did something for them that they needed to heal and they stick with you, which is amazing because they believe in you. But then it's like, I don't want them spending their money and, like, time on this. Like, someone else needs it.

Someone else should experience it. You don't need to go to seven mediums to get the same answer. Like, I'm not explaining it. And they all become the same. They're like, he told me that I was going to meet a guy that had a car. And he has a car. And it's, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I love when people say it to me. like, yeah, the medium told me I was going to marry someone with a red car or something. Yeah. I sit there and like, what? They're like, yeah, like, I met a guy who had a red Dodge Ram and now we're dating for two years. And whatever, I'm like, what? Like, I get so confused.

I'm like, what? Yeah, people hang on to like the craziest stuff sometimes, which it's scary because I don't want people to like, you know, believe everything that they hear. Like, like, let there be some, like, validity behind, like, what they're saying with stuff. Like don't, it just scares me sometimes the people. And also it's the opposite of healing, right? So like if they are coming to heal something, there should be some sort of resolve with it.

100%. And sometimes like when they go to other people or whatever and then they come to me, it's like they're still searching for that. They're still searching for like to get that closure or that healing. And that's why it's hard sometimes for me because they've been to five different people and they're looking for this one specific thing, like what type of ice cream that Grandma gave them? And if they don't...

No, I swear to God, it has happened. And if you don't say that, then it's like they're not going to heal because that's the only thing that will help them heal if they hear that one thing that, you know... Hock and does vanilla. You're just like Hock and does vanilla, all of them. Your grandma ate it. Finale?

That's the one. That's it. That's it. Yeah. It just makes it difficult sometimes. I imagine. Yeah. Wait, did you know who Rachel was?

I knew I was doing the podcast. Yeah, I knew who she was first. Not really no. Yeah. I think it's because I'm younger. No. No. He doesn't know.

Yeah. I'm younger. He's like, wait, am I supposed to? Well, I told my girlfriend and she like flipped the fuck out. Oh. Yeah. So I got some cred. Yeah.

Well, no. Like, literally everyone in my family that's older than me, because I'm the youngest in my family. And literally my older cousins, everyone, they're like, holy shit. They're like, that's fucking amazing. You're like, yeah, well, I talk to her grandpa. Yeah, now I'm going to be like, I spoke to her grandpa.

Yeah. My manager, like, was telling me to and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Like, you knew, because you don't usually get the names and stuff. Yeah, I was just, if they do it all this thing. Yeah, I try to stay like, like I said,

like I said, like very far removed from all that, like when it comes to readings and stuff. And I also don't want to like pull in like people that because like you guys have probably have like, you know, a shit ton of stuff written about you online. Like as far as like your family and like, you know,

the history of like a Wikipedia page and all that crap. So it's just like I stay away from that. And I also want to find like I can tell when there's energy that are more private, I guess, than like others. And like that's why I try to explain people. Like when like celebrities and stuff reach out, they're like, you can just literally read up on their fucking life.

And it's like that that's 100% true. But it's like then that makes it more appealing to me because then I don't want to do that. Like I want to pick up the people that was your childhood best friend that only you knew when you were like 12 years old. Like I don't want to bring up like people that are written up and stuff. and I'm a big, like, competitor. So, like, I'm just, like, as far as, like, I used to play, like, sports and stuff.

So I'm like, I view it more as, like, if people read up on someone, they're literally getting the answers and stuff. So it's... And you're like, I need to be the best medium out there and I need to be the best one. But I also get, even with what we do, and I'm not going to say we don't love doing the celebrity interviews, but... Right, yeah. There is a bit more guardiveness than we do. when we sit down with someone who's not in that world, you get a lot more availability in a way. 100%. And I've noticed that too with like readings in general where like the celebrity people

were like always reach out. And then when they do it, they're like extremely guarded. And they don't want to say anything. So it becomes difficult for me because it's like if I'm bringing up very personal things, you don't want to say it. Then how do we know? that I'm like, I just like to know that I'm validated, whether it's just a yes or no. I don't really care. You don't want to go into things for me, but I have noticed that, like, the higher celebrity people that I read versus, like, others, like, they're just way more guarded. Like, they don't, like, but it's weird because they reach out to me.

They have, like, their assistants and teams, like, reach out to me. And then I do the reading and they're so guarded. And I'm just, like, so confused because I'm like, how could I do this? If you're so guarded, you're not going to answer anything for me. like at all. Right. It's also like people probably, there's this thing even when I was watching,

what is it? What's his name? Tyler Henry. You know, I watched both of the, every one of his shows I've watched because I just find it fascinating. But I love observing the people.

And a lot of times, they've got this weird energy, like as if you guys have to prove something to them. Always. Always. Always. always, always, always. It's a weird attitude as if you're like,

I'm here to trick you and let me, you know, it's odd. Yeah, if I'm being honest, it happens like all the time. Like these celebrity people will like reach out to me like I said, but then like when I start to read them, they are guarded, but then they become like, let's see what this fucking kid can do. Yeah, exactly. And it becomes awkward for me because like I like to at least speak to them first

just like as like a personal level just so it's not so like businessy and they're not so like I'm coming here for a 30 minute appointment and then you're out or whatever. So I try to talk to them first, but I typically won't get who they are until after I read them as far as like their personality because once you hit those things and then they know maybe this is like legitimate or whatever that they want to feel and stuff, then they become way nicer and they lose that. But in the beginning. It's like, yeah, it's like, I'm so confused. You can't understand. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, you reached out to me. Like, I don't understand. I'm so confused. It's like, like, going to the doctor and being like, no, you figure it out.

Yeah. You figure that out. You're like, being fucking fucking figured out for me. Yeah. Fucking figure this shit out for me right now. And then I'll see if you're legit or not. It's so true. It is. It's odd. It is odd. I just think the whole thing, you know, you have such a genuine humbleness to you. You know what I mean? Thank you. So I would never meet you and be like, oh, he, you know what? He can talk to dead people.

You know what I mean? Though, like I'm just saying it that way, but it's... No, no. I get that all the time. Like, when I used to do appointments at my parents' house, because I didn't want them come to like where I was living and stuff. So I literally drive to my parents' house. I would open the door and people would be like, I'm here to see Jonathan. And I'm like, that's me.

They're like, what? And I'm like, yeah, no, that's me. And you see like their faces. They're like, what? They're like, what? They're like, what? Because for a long time, I didn't have social media. I was like super against it. Like, I wanted my name to be word of mouth, not from doing videos and stuff. And then once I felt like, I don't know, the people respected me, then I created a social media. But at first I didn't. So they didn't know what, what I looked like. So they were so confused. Yeah. It was very funny. Yeah, it was really funny. And how long do you do readings usually last, just generally?

Like 45 minutes. I typically say 45, but I always stay on way longer because I'm a sucker for people. So like when I see, when I see people really like, you know, go like this and like really want more, I'm like, fuck it. I'm just going to stay on for another like 30 minutes. I'm like, I'll give a shit. What's your goal with it? Like, where do you want to go with it? Like, what would be your biggest vision in what you can achieve through your gift?

Honestly, just, I know this sounds super corny, but I've literally said this for the last, like, five to seven years. It's really just to help people. Like, that's, like, my biggest thing to do. Like, really to help people at such, like, a larger scale than just, because I'm from Long Island. So rather than just being on Long Island, I just want to have. help people with families that have suffered tragedy, cold cases and stuff. Like, that's my goal that I want people to leave. Because I know they're not going to leave me completely feeling like a waist lifted off

their shoulders. But I know when they leave me, they're at least taking this step in the right direction. And that's all I want to do for people. It's just to help them get into the right direction just because death and losing people and, you know, unexpectedly is just really fucking tough. And, you know, and when you. lose a kid, a brother, a sister, mom, dad, whoever, and especially in a tragic way, in a tragic fashion,

to see them just to take a step in that right direction is the reason why I do this, and it's the reason why I won't stop until I'm able to really help as many people as I can. And, you know, throughout, like, this journey, like I've been offered, like, other opportunities for, like, TV and stuff, and none of it has felt right because it was never helping people

in the way that I always wanted to help people. And yeah, that's probably my biggest goal Because like literally right now I'm doing it like a TV project And it's to help people. That's all I'm going to like. And now I feel fulfilled because I'm able to do it now at a larger scale. Right. You're still helping.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those. So that's my goal just to help people on such like a larger scale than just staying so local and just doing it locally. Yeah. Because that's a hard part of the thing. too about when you work in that one-on-one fashion, it's almost like you become too big for that container in a way. Yeah. Right? Like you can do the one-on-one, but after a certain point,

it's like, gosh, how many people could you be helping in that hour? Exactly. And part of the reason why it's hard to do like the individuals and then make, like, yeah, I'm making someone's day, which is like the best feeling. But like when you're doing a show to give people hope, that's the best thing because that's all you want to give people is that hope. Because most people won't share their stories. Most people have such horrific stories, but they're too afraid to share. And when they see something on TV, podcast, whatever it is, YouTube, whatever it is, it gives them hope.

And like, that's all I want to do for people is just to make sure that they know, like, their loved one is somewhere else and they're not suffering. And, you know, they can take a step forward in life. Like, it's okay for you to move on. and at your own pace. You don't have to move on right away, but at your own pace, it's okay. And that's why now I'm ready to do this stuff,

because for a long time, I wasn't. For a very long time, I wanted to figure out what was the proper way, just in general, whether social media or whatever, to try to make an impact on people, I give away readings all the time because I'm like, people don't want to wait years to see me and they can't afford it sometimes.

So I'm like, I give away readings, like once a month or twice a month. I try to give away one, the people that really need it. and they can't afford it and they're suffering. So I'm just trying to spread that hope and that everything as much as I can. I think that's beautiful. It is beautiful.

And it is helpful. Yeah. It's almost like people would always ask me why I love, I'd watch all those like paranormal shows and like ghost shows and all that. Maybe like, doesn't that scare you? I'm like, no, I find it comforting because it's like it means there's something. Right. And that's, yeah, and that's the biggest thing.

Yeah. That's what you have to offer, right? Like if you were to take it to a larger level and do a show, it's like you may not be talking to that one person in their living room, but they're watching that feeling like, you know what? There is something else. Yeah, and that's exactly like kind of what I want that to do.

It's like so people can sit down and just be like, wow, like there is something and my family's okay. Like this just proves it like that it's okay. And that's all I want. And yes, there'll still be skeptics and stuff like that because there always will be. But for the people that really believe in stuff like or just want to believe, a lot of people,

I would say this, more people believe today than they have like three years ago, four years ago. I mean, I read a shit ton of men, like a shit ton of professional athletes, a shit ton of like military, law enforcement.

And those are the people. people that people would look at and be like, they don't believe they're covered in tattoos. Like they're 6-8, like can run through a brick wall if they needed to. But they're the ones that sit down and cry the most. UFC fighters and stuff. And that to me,

like, that just makes me happy because they're like, yo, like, I feel like I could drink a beer with you. Like, that's why I'm coming to you. It's not because of what you can do it. Like, I mean, it is. But it's like, you're not, I guess like when people, think of psychics and stuff like I even told you when I was younger.

I thought the crystal ball, the hair, the old lady and stuff. And that's what people think of. Like, even people that just don't really know, whether they watched Tyler, Teresa, whoever, they still don't know. Right. So, yeah, I just try my best just to try to read everyone. You're doing great. So, okay, as like a crazy psychotic, cold case, obsessive detective person,

a few of what your opinion on. Have you ever thought or heard or know anything or gotten any messages about the West Memphis 3? I don't know what that is. Okay. Is that? Yeah, wait, is that? That's a cold case about three little boys.

They were eight-year-old in second grade, murdered. I don't think, yeah, no, I don't know them. You don't know that case. I don't know that case. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. You don't know that case. Sorry, it's a really, it's one that I'm like.

I'm sure. huge. Yeah, there's certain cases I know. Yeah, like Jean-Bene, I'm sure. Yeah, I get asked that a lot. A lot? And do you know who did it? Yeah, I guess I have a pretty good idea who did it, yeah. Wow. And have you ever shared that? I share that it's like within the family. So I'm like, I try just to let people know. It's like within the family and it's people being like family protecting other family. So it's families protecting other family members. And, I don't think it was purposely done from what I saw. It looks like it was an accident and then covered up.

And it looks like the family all is like interchanging. I could tell you off camera like exactly what it is and stuff. Yes, please. Please do it. Yeah, that's like because I can ask that all the time. Is that the one you get asked the most? Probably. Yeah, that's probably the biggest one.

And especially because it's going to be reopened soon. So people ask all the time. Oh, is it really? Supposedly. supposedly they're going to reopen it because of like this DNA stuff, like this new technology. Right. So they're thinking about opening it up again. Interesting.

But yeah, the family's like obviously extremely against it. Which is suspect, obviously. Yeah, super suspect. Big ones. I know that you're so young. So I'm like, I don't know. Like, would have to be like super. Yeah.

But yeah, I'm curious on your thoughts on the Westman. If you ever look it up. Yeah, yeah. Oh, make one. a murder. Oh, yeah. I forget the story of that. They did a docu-series on it. I can't remember the story, though.

I just watched the Jeffrey Dahmer one. Oh, yeah. How was it? What did you think of that? Yeah, I mean, it's messed up. It's just very messed up, just like... Oh, the documentary, not the movie. No, I watched, so I watched, like, interviews on, like, the real Jeffrey Dahmer after, like, that show came. Because I wanted to see, like, you know, obviously, Hollywood, Hollywood's things up and stuff. but I wanted to see

and it was kind of disturbing I'm not gonna lie like you know the guy was just like straightforward he definitely didn't hide anything that he did it seemed and he thought he was sane he's like yeah like I just have

compulsions or whatever he called it like impulses and I just watched a lot of it like his like fixations on people I was just like that's so fucking weird because you don't know who you're speaking to it's like one of those things like you can speak into someone

you think they're so normal but then yeah it's fucked up. It's so frightening. Do you ever watch those things? Like, I know you said you just watched that. But like on your spare time, are you like, I want to watch Friends. Like something just like light and cozy or do you sit there and be like, I'm going to watch this and try and figure it out?

Oh, yeah. No, I definitely watch like friends. How much your mother? Yeah. Yeah, she was on that. You do know me. I'm just kidding. I was not a main character on there.

No, you asked. No, I just watched the part where I thought it could have been you. Probably. Like you, you were dating Ted or something? Oh, yeah. I did do that. Yeah. And then you were like a student or something. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I was like very, I was like, that looks exactly who I'm supposed to be speaking to. But I'm like, I don't want to be like, I assume that was you. So, because I. Yeah. You got it. Yeah. Well, that's interesting timing, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I literally was. I literally, I literally, I literally, I I swear I was just watching it before this. I was sitting on my couch watching it on Hulu. And I was like, yeah. That's so weird. Yeah. I could put on my TV.

Connections. Yeah. And you weren't watching it because you knew you were doing Rachel. You just happened to be watching it. Yeah. You were just watching how I met your mother. Yeah. So I watched that show from beginning to end like a hundred times.

It's so good, isn't it? It's very addicting. It's just very dicting. It's comforting. It's comforting. And it's like not a lot of, long show so you can watch a bunch of episodes and like different situations versus like shows that are like an hour or something you're sitting there yeah yeah you're just saying you're like

is this going to end like whatever it's the same spot as friends does for me yeah yeah yeah you just need those outlets sometimes instead of going to bed watching like you know dormer files or whatever it is which I can do sometimes as well this is like such an interesting conversation like yeah but I just want to talk to you more about cold cases and I want reading. We're going to, we really, I mean, it would be such an honor if you would do our readings. And then we can talk about it too again on the show.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. But thank you so much for taking the time with us today. And we've loved, loved talking to you. Thank you. Yeah, you're awesome. Yeah.

Oh, thank you. So rad. Much success, much love. And do me a favor. Be nice to yourself. Don't be hard on yourself. You're doing a lot of good in the world. You're helping people find comfort and resolution and like you might deserve to be a little sweet to you.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you. Well, thanks again. And tell your girlfriend, she's lucky. Yeah. Oh, thank you. I definitely will.

And tell her hi. I will. Yeah, she'll freak out. Yeah. So, yeah. All right. You're awesome. We'll see you really soon.

Yes, absolutely. Yes. Okay. Bye. Bye. That was a headgum podcast.