Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Skeet Ulrich on Being Kidnapped, Anger, and Riverdale

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

Skeet Ulrich [Riverdale, Jericho, Scream] talks to Rachel and Olivia about being kidnapped by his father and not seeing his mother for 4 years, being the “safe spot” for your children, and his thoughts on marriage. They also discuss what qualities they find most attractive, Skeet’s new show with Giancarlo Esposito, and the volatility of acting.Broad Ideas is supported by Quince. Go to Quince.com/ideas for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Broad Ideas is supported by IQBAR. Get 20% off all IQBAR products. Text IDEAS to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details.Broad Ideas is supported by Maybelline. If you, or someone you know is experiencing anxiety or depression, Maybelline New York is funding free, confidential support: Text TOGETHER to 741741 or visit Maybelline.com/bravetogether to learn more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Okay. Hello. Welcome. Welcome to Broad Ideas. Hi. Oh, hey. Hi. I've had a lot of caffeine.

I'm going to talk really fast. There's more coming. What? More caffeine coming? Great. Today we have Skeet Ulrich, you guys. I remember in high school. I feel like he was in high school when Scream came out.

I don't remember. I think. I was in sixth grade when Scream came out. So how old? You weren't even allowed to see it. How much younger are you? It was like the first R-rated movie I saw. Is it R-rated?

Yeah. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. How old were you? How much younger are you than me? How much? How old are you? Who are you?

Are you 34? 35. You're 35 already? How did that happen? Every year you get a new number. You're 35 plus five plus. So we're seven years apart. right? So if you were in sixth grade, I would have been in... Fifth, maybe.

I still would have been... I would have been... I would have been... I would have been... I would have been in high school. That's accurate. Yeah. Just trying to fact-checked here. Yeah, you did it. In high school, I remember being like, oh my God, that dude is like so cute. We all felt that way. Yeah, he was super hot.

Yeah. Well, he still is. He's also here today. We'll tell him. Speaking of which, so obviously from Scream, Riverdale, the craft. I love the craft. Yeah. That's a good one. Listen, speaking to our youth, his new series Parish on AMC is what he is here to talk about.

So let's bring him on in. Sometimes when the work inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside. To join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys better make you. Because people die. We're so happy that you're here.

Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Thanks for coming all the way out. No worries. I mean, I and we both can say this, but like I've been fans for so long. Oh, no way. Oh, yeah. Like first crush vibes like back.

Oh, yeah. I mean not. I think I had the same thing, but. With me. With you. With both of you. Yes. Well, you for me as well.

No, that's so funny. But yeah, just forever. I'm like, seriously? Like, we're going to get to talk. Oh, my God. Well, I hope I live up to it. Yeah, so no pressure or anything. No pressure at all.

But like, don't fuck up. Yeah, really. But there's just like, so we were reading a bit about like just you, your childhood. And we like to get into it. Oh, my journey. Your journey? Yeah. And what?

a fucking journey. Yeah. I got a little emotional reading it, to be honest. Really? Yeah, being a mom and just thinking, like, reading just what's, even just on Wikipedia, it did evoke emotion in me. Oh, wow. I was like, oh, wow, he's had a life.

Yeah, it's been an interesting one for sure. Yeah. Continues to be. I mean, I think, you know, it's interesting, though, because nothing ever, and maybe this is sort of the resiliency of youth, but. None of it really sort of messed me up that bad. I mean, I remember having sort of a positive look no matter what was going on. Yeah.

And a feeling of hope, no matter what was going on. But now I look back sometimes and I'm like, that was really dumb. That would be hopeful. But what do you attribute that hope to? Like what? I don't know. You know, maybe just, I don't know. That's a good question.

I don't know if I just somehow knew how to live in the moment at those times or I had a very good power of what would be the right way to phrase it was. I was able to ignore shit for lack of a more flavorful term. I, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I definitely, you know, my brother was there beside me the whole way. He's 10 months older. 10 months older. 10 months older.

And he went gray. He had like a streak of gray. 16 because he had essentially been my dad already for 10 years at that point. And so he, you know, I don't know, he's always had this like, you know, get up and work hard mentality and push through no matter what. And I think maybe some of it's that. Right. I don't know. Well, yeah, it's like nature versus nurture. I was talking to someone about the fact that they had been through a lot of trauma, and they had every reason to be a complete and utter fuck up in life, right?

But they felt from, like you were saying, from early on, they just weren't. It didn't land on them the same way. And I do think that certain people are just kind of born with a different constitution. Yeah. Where some lands and some doesn't. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I see that in my, I mean, I have boy girl twins.

Yeah, I know. Oh, you want of each. The sociological experiment. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, I see that, regardless of them being twins or whatever, like, I see that in their personality differences. And yet they were raised exactly the same. Exactly. Right.

So what is that? Right. And I don't know. I mean, he definitely, like, I was, despite, you know, putting a little gloss on it just a minute ago, I had a lot of anger, a lot of anger. And I see that in my son. I see, you know, that built up tension and stuff. And not that, I mean, he's the sweetest, kindest soul. But with me, I get to see all sides of it.

And I'm glad. I mean, as, you know, I remember they were in first grade and I took him to a play date. And he had been really tough on me, you know. And, and I went to pick him up. And the mom was like, he is an angel. I was like, really? I was like, well, not with me, not at all, blah, blah, blah. And she was like, well, that's because you're the safe spot.

You're the light and the landing. You're the only place he can do that. Can't do it with friends. Can't do it with teachers. Can't do it with anybody except for you. And so, unfortunately, that's what you get from being the safe spot. Yep. So I understand in that way.

But I had a lot of that as well. So I see that in him. And I'm probably more aware of it than anybody else would actually be. but yeah was that your brother because the way my husband always puts it because I'm his safe spot right and my kids and they say

that that's actually the healthiest thing you can find in a child is if they act out at home but other people say they're angels that means that they feel safe enough to express themselves and that's part of really creating a well-balanced human

is right my husband No, no. On the other hand. He's like, lightning needs a place to land. Right. Right. And so thinking about that, it's true, right?

Whether you have anger, resentment, frustration, we always put a, we're like, let it land here. So when you were a kid, was that your brother? Is that why he had the gray hair? I would assume it was. Yeah. I mean, you know, he's tough. He's really tough. And he was like always, I mean, you know, he's always bigger than me and stronger than me.

and, you know, so it was tough to really, like, I'll never forget, like, being, when he went to college, obviously a year ahead of me, and I went the next year, and we came back for, like, Thanksgiving time, and he was making fun of me about something. We were in the kitchen of my mom's house, and I was like, let's go outside. Stupidest mistake ever made. And so, you know, he steps outside. I took a swing at him. Next thing I know, I was in the air up against the garage door and falling to the floor.

And I was like, oh, I'm never going to try that again. But yes, I wanted him to be my safe place. And I guess for the most part, he really is. But I had to be careful about it. Yeah. He also didn't have a problem putting you in your place. But I think that's good. I think it's good to have that balance.

Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's true. I mean, I'm for sure my daughter's safe. space because she's she's pretty well-behaved but this morning oh my god you guys like she is having a hard time with something and she never acts this way so when she does I'm like how do I navigate this she's never really giving grief or whatever and so it was like I want if I lose my patience with her she's so sensitive and immediately like I literally won't even she'll be like why did you just yell my name and I'm like I literally just said it in a different

No, you raised my voice. I said it in a different tone and that like sets her off, you know? So I think his parents and like you said you, you raised twins on your own. Is that right? For the most part. Yeah. I mean, their mom sort of vacillated between being a part of it and then not and then ultimately it wasn't. So they don't have a relationship with the mom or? No, I mean, my son talks to her a couple times a month. Okay. My daughter hasn't spoken to her and she saw her in this like about six months ago for the first time in seven years. Wow. And it kind of went okay and then it didn't.

So they haven't talked since. Okay. So, yeah. I mean, that must have been being a young father and working and having twins. Like, how the hell did you do it? That's insane. That's insane. I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, obviously she has a dad in a relationship. But you know how it is, right? Like those little faces. Oh, God. And that energy, like I often. joked with them when they were little. There are only two people on this planet and get me up after a couple hours of sleep and I'm smiling. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Just love, you know,

and I think maybe, you know, I definitely got to relive my childhood and redo it as on the other side of it. So I took full advantage of getting to do that. And, you know, I only worked in L.A. From the time they were born until I did Riverdale when they were like 15 or 16. Okay. Which was in Vancouver, yeah. And I was doing four flights a week, 10 months of a year. Wow. So it was exhausting, but to backtrack it.

I mean, it was just them. It was just the desire to be with them and to, you know, be everything I never got. And I don't know. I mean, it was definitely tough, you know. I mean, I had a couple times I had to hire nannies. I hired, I did the show Jericho for a couple seasons, and I hired a nanny. for like a year and a half at that point. And then I hired one again when I headlined another show here for like nine months.

I mean, I had occasions where, you know, I had the power at that time to get shows to move to L.A. If they wanted me, they had to come shoot here. I don't have that anymore. Too many people are doing TV. But, but yeah, I. I would go shoot a pilot somewhere, and it was typically around spring break time, so they would come or my mom would meet me there and help take care of them. Yeah. That's great.

Yeah. So it was, you know, but for the most part, I stayed here, killed my film career, you know, pretty much at that time. Because you put them first. Is that what you mean? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, TV was, you know, I was fine doing that, and it was stable. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, the parts were interesting that I was able to. to get and stuff. But, but yeah, I don't know. It was a lot. And it continued. It never ends. No. It never ends. So, you know, I mean, it's certainly a lot easier than it was when they were, you know, needed me every second of the day. I wanted to change my name from dad. I told them wrong. I'm changing my name. I don't want to hear it again. I don't want to hear the word dad. But, you know, it's such a blessing. I mean, truly blessed to to be in a profession where I have that ability. where I can make enough money that I can go, you know what, I'm going to take a little time off.

You know, all those things. I mean, I think, you know, it's, I just, I don't know. I was more blessed than it sort of felt like in the moment, I guess, with the exhaustion. Right. But I still knew. I still knew how amazing it was. I think that makes the difference from, like, people, you know, it's the gratitude and, like. Yeah.

Well, the love, too. The love. Yeah. Yeah, and it's reflected back at you. So, you know, it's, I mean, it is a, it is the greatest feeling. And, I mean, to this day, we're so tight. And, you know, and they are so caring and loving and supportive. And, yeah.

It makes you a super chick magnet, too. Really? I wish. You know, like that single, like the dad that has their kids on you, you're like, oh, he's. Well, here's the difference. Because I know dudes, okay, that are like, I put my kid first and they're the most important. And then you're like watching.

And you're like, no, you don't. You see that it doesn't really. Then I don't. You're saying it and you think you do it. But there's a difference. I'm like a parent like me who like knows what it's like to actually put your child first. And witness that. You're like, this is bullshit.

Yeah. You know? I mean, I was always of the mind. You know, I never wanted someone else to raise them. Right. And so. And I had been around Hollywood enough to see that circle of, you know, these kids who their parents are well to do, their parents are guilty, they're not with

them all the time, the nanny will never say no because they'll get fired and these kids are just assholes. And they're so entitled and I was like, I would never. So we went to public school route and, you know. Where'd they go? They were at Carpenter right down the street. Oh, no, yeah, yeah, we almost went there. Yeah, yeah. I loved it. Yeah. And then I did, briefly put, my daughter went to six, seventh, and eighth at a, I think it's a sort of private school. It's Laurel Hall.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great school. You know, like, low-price private school. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great school for her. My son hated it. Like, he thought those kids were entitled. Oh, God. Yeah. Stick them somewhere else. I know. Put him in Campbell Hall and see her, Harvard, Wesley, and see. Yeah.

But, you know, so he wound up up going to Walter Reed. That's where I went. Did you really? Yes. No way. Yeah. You know, which is a phenomenal school. He didn't get into the science magnet part of it because of the way he transferred in and the lateness of it.

Yeah. But I had heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, they put more kids in the Ivy Leagues than Harvard Westlake does. What? Yeah. That's good to know. That's your next school, right? Yeah, that would be our next school. But I hear there's like so much fighting and vaping and all of that.

The vaping, I think, is worldwide. Yeah, I know. You're not going to hide. Yeah, that's going to be everywhere. Were you, like, for me, I'm terrified because I was a Hellion at that age. And, like, that's when it all started. Yeah. Did you, were you like a good kid or did you?

I was really good. Were you? Yeah, I was really good. That's awesome. I didn't drink. And my brother and I were alone from the time we were six. So we had not, no one to, like, supervise. And, and we.

shows, I don't know, for whatever. Maybe it was just because we had to, you know. We mean you were alone? So you were six and seven years old? Well, we were, my brother and I were kidnapped when we were six for like four years. I just wanted you to see if you would talk about it. I'll talk about it. I mean, it's, you know, it's a weird sort of thing.

But my birth father, who we didn't know, took us in the middle of the night. All my family are in NASCAR. Okay. Race car drivers, race car family. And in the 70s, that wasn't like, you didn't really. make money at it, but it was the family business. And at that time, you had to get to the track on a Wednesday, and the races were on a Sunday. And if that was outside of the time we were in Virginia, if that was outside of a travel zone, you know, we saw them Tuesday. And then he came in the

middle of the night. And in Virginia, I didn't know him at all. And stuck my brother and I in a U-Haul and drove us to Miami and gave us. to this woman he was married to, but he was never there. She hated us. What? So we wandered the streets of Miami. We went to Biscayne Elementary for like six months. And then he took us from Miami to upstate New York to Hyde Park, Poughkeepsie area.

Uh-huh. And same thing. Lived to somebody else. I think he was like studying at the Culinary Institute or something near there. Wanted to be a chef at that moment. And then it just kept going for like four years. So you wait, you were without your mom for four years.

Yeah. They couldn't find you. No. Oh my God. They couldn't fucking find you? No. That's so sweet. See, this is why I was getting an emotional reading about it.

Like as a mom. Like someone took my boys? Oh, no. How did, like I have a million questions, but four years without your mom, why did he do that? What was his reason? I'm not sure, to be honest. And then there was one point, this woman he was married to, he stuck us with

her parents who were brutal. Her dad was like an ex-Navy captain. And he forced us to eat what he called square meals, which meant that you picked the fork up, it went down to the plate, it went out, so you didn't show greed, it went out, it went up to mouth level,

and in, and then down, you chewed 32 times per bite, and they watched and count. And if not, you got the belt. And so, I mean, they were brutal. They were brutal. But the whole time I was dying of, I had, when my mom got me, I had open heart surgery. I had a 25% chance of surviving.

And so I was coughing up blood, you know, and all this stuff. And they wouldn't let me see a doctor. And, I mean, it was just, it was whatever. It was rough. It was whatever. Yeah, that's whatever. But then when my mom found us, you know, she was still on the race. circuit and had remarried a race car driver while we were with, you know, my dad, so to speak.

And so same routine, like, we barely got to see her. Now, I don't fault her in the slightest. She was a single mom. I mean, that marriage lasted three years. So she was mostly a single mom and, you know, trying to make her way in a very masculine industry. Sure. to not only pay the way, but suddenly she's saddled with a $20,000 open heart surgery that we have no insurance and no money. Shut.

So, you know, she did her damnedest. And, you know, she had my brother at 19, me at 20, divorced at, you know, 21, I think. And, you know, so God bless her. Did they know when you were born? Was it like a chromosome thing? No, it was two birth defects, but I guess they didn't know or they didn't know or they didn't have the technology to know at that time. One of them is pretty typical. It's called a VSD of ventricular septal defect. And the ventricular wall is one of the last things to form in utero.

If you think about it, you're not breathing oxygen at that time. So that wall delineates oxygenated from deoxygenated blood in the bottom part of the heart. And so it's one of the last things to form. And if you're premature, it typically doesn't fully form yet. And so a lot of kids premature are born with that murmur. My son has that. Yeah. Yeah. And it will slowly, typically.

Typically. That's what they say. Yeah. But I had to have the patch put in. And then I had a mitral valve issue as well that was really the cause of most of the problems. But do you remember it? Like, do you remember? I do remember it.

Yeah. I do remember it very well. I remember waking up in the operating room. What? Yeah. And there was a guy at the end of my bed. with balloons and flowers. And he looked at me and he said,

you passed with flying colors. And then I was out. And I woke up in the ICU, and I asked my mom, like, where's the guy with that? And she's like, what are you talking about? Now, it could have been morphine. Could have been a guardian angel. It definitely wasn't a guy with balloons and flowers

in an operating room. I like the angel. For sure. I'm like, oh, yes, that was your. Yeah. We've always said, we're like, absolutely. At least. Yeah.

When I'm with dudes, oh, it's morphine, bro. Yeah. It's darling morphine. We're like angels. Yeah, we're like, for sure.

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And we've definitely had our, you know, our moments. And primarily of my doing. And I think probably a way to vent without knowing I was really venting. The lightning landing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was in my early 20s mostly that all that sort of went down.

But she's amazing. She's an incredible force. and, you know, a pioneer and just an incredible woman and so full of love and happiness and gratitude. And she's the most giving human being I've ever met. I want her on. I have so many questions. You should.

I'm just like, how does she survive? Because, like, literally my heart is like, I want to go back and adopt you at that time. You know what I mean? Like that feeling, I'm sure you know as a parent is like thinking about that little boy going through the operating and not having your mom? Oh, my God, I don't know. Come on. I know.

But going back to, like, how you're saying how you don't feel like, I don't know, lack of a better way to put this, but like super fucked up from like everything that happened, right? No. I mean, I went through a lot of therapy. Sure. I went to NYU, you know, it was, that's a whole other story how I wound up getting to go there. But my mom remarried when I was 19. Okay.

They're still married. He is the reason I sit here today. Really? He is 100%. And I mean, my mom as well, but he was the one. Like, when my mom met him, he ran, he was a worldwide CEO of Sachi and Sachi advertising for a long time. And they had the Procter & Gamble client, you know, and they sponsored my uncle's race team. Tide did.

Wow. Drove for Tide. So my mom met him through that. They fell in love, got married. And, you know, when I decided at 18, 19, I wanted to be an actor, that was not really. Didn't go over that well. Yeah, in a NASCAR family. And, you know, I had that thick Southern accent and all this post-traumatic stress.

And they were like, okay, Brad Pitt. But he, having lived a life in New York City in advertising and going to every play he could get his hands. on and all this was a, you know, a real proponent of the arts and said, I got your back. He's like, if you get in, I'll pay for it, I'll get your place, and they did. And, you know, and so if it wasn't for that training, I know I wouldn't sit here. Maybe I would have sat here for like a few months of my career, but I would not have had a career. I mean, didn't David Mamet?

He didn't find me. The literature suggests that he discovered me in some way, but. So, like, the whole thing and then to be like, and then found by David Mamet, I'm like, no big deal. He ran the school that I got into. Oh, okay. And William H. Macy, Bill Macy. They were the acting teachers of it.

But, you know, I got in through, I didn't meet them first and then get in. You know, I got in and then I met them. So he didn't discover me. He taught me. Which is amazing. Yeah, which is incredible. Wow. So, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's been a ride. Yeah, it's been a ride. How do you feel about your daughter acting? I, you know, I'm, I love it for her, for the art of it. Yeah. The business part of it scares the crap out of me. And, you know, it's, it's hard, it's hard.

It's hard for me, the business part of it. I mean, like, I hate it. Right. I don't think I've ever met an actor that. Yeah. Yeah, I guess not. You know. Some of them seem to embrace it, though, or maybe they hide it really well and have the same, you know, issues.

I like, I like doing it. The rest, fuck off with it. It's really rough. It is. It's rough. It's ugly. It's, you know, it's not fair. It's everything.

Yeah. You have to have such a strong foundation. And I think, but at least like your daughter having you and you've been through it and, like, helping guide. Like, all that shit that's like you can't take personally. or getting them used to disappointment and all of that. But how to navigate it, I think it's an opportunity, too. I think so, too. I mean, it's a tough world right now.

I mean, for anybody in this business, it's really hard. I mean, it's, you know, I haven't worked in a year and a half. Granted, the strike was quite a major chunk of that, but, like, it's, you know, you just never know. Right. But you have a show that just came out. I have a show that just came out. Yeah. Yeah.

That's doing a while ago. We shot it. Yeah. Yeah. We had finished November of 22. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.

And then they held it, yeah. Okay. With Jean Carlo, who, you know, he guest taught Mammett's class a couple times. No. That's wild. Yeah. So many full circle films it feels like. I know, really wild.

Have you ever thought about writing your show or a movie? Because it's like NASCAR and the- I know. You know, I wrote my mom's story. Well, initially it was going to be both our stories, sort of picking up at 10 when she finds me not. And then, you know, and then kind of following this woman who figures out how to save her son's life in this masculine world, I set it up that her husband dies in the very beginning in a racing incident, which is kind of really just to set up how she was married, but he had nothing to do with it, you know, and we didn't have any money or anything. So it was just sort of a kickoff point.

I was doing a film at the time and that I was deeply writing it with Tom Hanks that Zemeckis was producing. Wow. And image movers fell in love with the script and got behind it and gave extensive notes. And we rewrote it and all that. And we went out late in the COVID buying spree just to a few people, but we were late and everybody had their slate. So we've kind of sat on it. since then. Only now are we starting to, because I guess, and I'm only know because I'm told this, that once you go out to whatever degree and you don't get picked up by somebody, you've got to sit on

it for a little bit, and let the cycle run out, and then you can come and try and present it again. So many rules. Yeah, I know. So many stupid rules. So many stupid rules. So many stupid rules. But you know what? It's interesting. I'm an actor. I'm not a writer. I'm not, it's not, I love rewriting. I love. I love fixing material and helping material. But it's not your number one. It's not my thing. And it's, you know, and it was a lot to put this all on the page and to write, you know, outlines for three seasons and all this stuff.

And for me, I always saw it as a two-hour movie. And so I didn't know where to go after like, you know, 90 pages or 100 pages of like, where does this go now? So I'm not, I'm not hell-bent on making it happen. or anything. I think it was nice for my mom to see the dedication to telling that story. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I don't know. I have a couple pitches coming up in the next few weeks, so who knows. Who knows? It'd be so cool at one point.

Your angel with the balloons. Yeah, really? No, I'm like, if your daughter would play your mom. I know. I wrote a part for her, too. That would be really interesting. That would be so cool. Yeah. How does your mom find you guys? Good question. Yeah, they found a, or they got a private detective.

Okay. And I guess he found us. And, yeah, it was weird. It was weird. And nothing never happened with my dad. You know, there were no charges or anything. And I didn't really, I saw him. He showed up in my brother's high school graduation in a gorilla outfit.

What? Was he mentally ill? No. Oh, now I wonder. Yeah, like wait. Exactly. No, I'm not sure. You hit the nail on the head.

And then I didn't really, I didn't see him at all. And then internet came to Manhattan, I guess probably like five years later when I was there. And I wasn't Google, but I searched for him and found his phone number. number. And he was living in Baltimore. And I suggested he'd come to New York and we have lunch. And we, he did. We spent about an hour together, talked about nothing. Really? He was really into, you know, talking about my uncle who at that time was at the height of his racing career. He was a very famous race car driver at that time. And that's kind of all he wanted to talk about. Wow. That's interesting. And I wasn't going to press him on anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why'd you kidnap me, that? Like, what the fuck? What about that part? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I, and then I, not long after Scream when I was 27, which was like my eighth film, seventh or eighth film, I got to be offer only here. And I bought 500 acres in Virginia and moved there and lived there for like six years.

And I made like 15 movies during that time there. But. Do you still have it? No. That sounds heavenly right. It was amazing. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I was incredible. But, you know, I took a year off when the kids were born and got to know the area I bought in, which was a very small town north of Charlottesville, Virginia. And it was so racist. Oh, wow. And I was like, I am not raising kids here. Yeah.

That's very important. You know what? Yeah. That's a big reason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And but literally the day before I took my first TV job ever,

this show called Miracles in like 2002. And the day before I was moving out back out here, moving the family back out here, he showed up at my door on this farm. My dad did. And I remember answering the door and I was like, and the first thing I said to him was, how'd you find me? I mean, we're in the middle of nowhere.

Yeah, right, right. He had this little Indian girl with him, not Native American, Indian, and who he had, it was like his sixth wife and her daughter or something. And he was like, you know, she had a camp near here, and I sort of pieced together from an interview you had done that it must be in this area. And so I asked the sheriff if he knew where you lived and he pointed me right here. Well, after he left, I called this sheriff. office and I was like, look, you may not know who I am. You probably don't give a damn who I am,

but never give my address out to people, to strangers. Like, please. And so, I don't know, I was like, do you want to come in, you know, you want a glass of water or something? He was like, we're not going to stay that long. And I was it. I was mad. I was really mad because all the work I had done to, you know, to get through everything that I'd gone through with him and all this stuff. And then he just shows up nonchalantly and, like, doesn't even want to hang out. I was pissed. He's so, like, I'm so curious, like, such a character study on your biological father. Yeah, yeah.

It's so interesting to me. Like, you said, like, show up, like, why? I know. What is sixth wife showing up? I know. This meeting with you and just talking about your famous uncle. Like, I just think about people. Yeah.

I just think about him. I just think about him. Nightly. really weird. But like what? It's so crazy to me. That's what I'm always thinking is like more people you encounter. Like you hear these stories and you're just like people can be so different. So different. And then also I'm like, I have friends that have never been married. You know what I mean? Fantastic people. How did he get married six times? I know. That is a very good question. It's always people like that where you're like, you got another one? Like how does that?

I don't know. It's wild. I know. How many times have you been married? Twice. Okay. Yeah. Following in his footsteps slowly.

No, I'm not going to get there. Four more. You're almost there. Are you guys single? Yeah. That would be expensive for more marriages. It would be. Yeah.

It would be expensive. Well, here divorce is expensive. It definitely can be. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I imagine. I'd imagine it'd be pricey.

It's not. Yeah. Could you imagine those six times going through all that? No, I remember when I was 18. I didn't even know. Yeah. Something happened and I said to my mom like, well, you don't think I'll get married? She goes, oh, no, I do a few times. I was like, your mom said that. Of you? She said a bit. A few times. My mom's on her third marriage.

My mom's on her fourth. Yeah. My mom's on her third. Yeah. Okay. I mean, but you say never been married. Like, I've never been married. I've been in like very long terms yeah yeah you're like I've been in love I did it right I mean like I've had a boyfriend before you guys but like yeah I'm like you know what I think I took the right yeah but that's different you're not the girl that's like I just you're you didn't come into the world being like I want to be married I can't I was born wearing a wedding dress yeah you were not popped out you know but there are some girls that come in that are like I was made I want to get married I want a husband like you've always been there's a track relationship girl, but not like, I need to get married.

Yeah, you're not traditional. No. No. In that regard. Not at all. I mean, look, I don't necessarily think I'll get married again. I'm down to find someone to spend the rest of my life with for sure. Yeah.

I don't know that. I mean, if it's important to them and we're in love, okay. That's nice. I think that's a nice mentality. Yeah, I don't hold any sort of. What if you were the guy that was like, no, like, I have to get married. Like the wedding and you have to do it. And you go into it.

It would be really interesting, actually. I don't think that movie's been made. I don't think that movie's been made. Right the reverse of like the guy who's always. Oh my God, you got to start writing this. That is genius. That is genius. Ever since I was three.

Ever since I was three. He has this dream. No book. Oh my God. Please write that. Even as a short film, be hysterical. Okay, we just created something. Yeah.

I'm doing great here. But okay, so Olivia told me, What did I tell you? You were engaged, though, again, right? I just tell her things. She did a deep dive. Yeah, yeah. She was like, oh, my God.

Yeah, I was. I'm glad that didn't work out. I'm happy for you. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I won't spill any tea on this microphone, but yeah, that was a bad, bad day. Well, the second marriage was a bad idea, too. I don't need to laugh.

Yeah, no, trust me, I'm laughing. It was a really, it was. It was a really bad idea that I knew I shouldn't do and allowed to happen. I called it off four or five times. What? Oh, wow. And then I still went through with it. And then it didn't last much longer after we did do it.

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No. So I want to kill her. Yeah. And I would, you know, and then I've always been open to, you know, what someone else is going through and to giving them the benefit of the doubt. And I guess I continued to do that and bought into the BS. And then after like continuing to happen and continuing to happen, it was just like, all right. You know. You've pulled the wool over my eyes.

Like, yeah, exactly. All right. I love you. Let's do this. But, yeah, I don't know. You know, I think I've always wanted that nuclear family so desperately that, like, I was trying to put, you know, square pegs in round holes all the time. And it just never was right. Well, you always had your kids involved in all of these things.

I mean, that's the thing. I always had love. So with them, I always had love in my life. Right. And so the rest was kind of like what would be great if. Right. But not necessarily, you know, mandatory. I think I have that same mentality because she's always like.

You think you won 1,000 percent too. I know, because everyone's always like, whatever. And it's because you have a kid and like she's everything and we're always together and like all of it. I'm like, I don't really have this need, you know, because it's true. But I have never thought of it that way because you have this like the greatest love you could ever experience, right? Yeah.

And so the other stuff, you're like, yeah, but like. Yeah, if it does not, if it doesn't, now I'm like, if it doesn't fit, like, whatever, I'm fine. Yeah, totally. But yeah, I think it's exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's, in my mind, the only unconditional love, a parent for a child. Right.

Yeah. It's, it is. I mean, a child for a parent, it isn't even, you know, because I don't unconditionally love my father, clearly. Or like, you know. Yeah. But I, that love. But you do have that love for your stepdad. I do, yeah.

So it's just relationship, right? So it doesn't have to be like someone biological. But they say, like statistically, they say that even if a kid has a really inadequate parent, that they still would choose their biological statistically. Really? Wow. Interesting. Yeah, still wants to be with their biological.

And I've seen that because I've witnessed a lot of like a decade. and stuff like that. And you see that the kids, no matter what the circumstances are, they'll be like, no, keep me here with this. Like they don't want out. They want the mom or their dad, you know?

Yeah. So it's tricky. I think it's age too, though. Like, I don't think, like, you sitting here would be like, I'd choose my biological over my step. No, because you're an adult. Right.

But still, but, like, yeah. Yeah, but it's interesting. And I do see, and you do wonder because, like, you see parents that might be a little mentally, unstable and the kids are still like, well, attached. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's a tough thing, though. I think, like, you know, for me, I saw so much craziness that the bar for crazy for me was so high that, like, the shit these women were doing, I was like, yeah, whatever. It's normal. And it's crazy shit. And I'm like, oh, well, that's nothing. What else you got? We literally, like, I've experienced, like, certain levels of narcissism.

in my life. And so, like, Olivia and I had a conversation, like, a couple years ago or something, like, where she experienced it for the first time and it didn't even, like, register with me or affect me because I had been exposed to it in my whole life. And she's like, oh, yeah, it's this. I'm like, why is this not affecting you? I'm like, what? Like, what's it then you?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, because it's like you're just, you get so, it's like a pattern, you're trained or whatever it is, so things just don't affect you the same way. But it becomes normal. Yeah. Also, though, too, with the women, I just heard this, and I think this is so freaking fascinating, that women equate love with oxytocin, right? The hormone that's released. So that happens when we make love.

That happens when we feel all of those great feelings, not men. Interesting. They associate love with a stress hormone. I was like, no wonder. You always see the craziest girls with, like, the sweetest men. And there's a hormone that's released in men that stresses them out. And that's what they wait. I don't think it's cortisol.

It's something else. Everyone always asks when you say that, they're like cortisol? Is that right? It's the only one we know. Yeah, exactly. I don't think so. But something along those lines where I'm like, that makes so much sense why men have a higher threshold for adaptability. We'll call it adaptability.

Right. Or you've just been through it with many people as a female. Isn't it? And that's built in. Right. It's in our DNA. That's crazy. It's crazy. I wonder why. I know. I don't know. There's a great book called A Natural History of the Senses. This one Diane Ackerman wrote about the evolution of each of our senses. Really? I like it. It sounds like up your alley. I really like that. Yeah. She's like, wait. Well, because it makes our choices make sense when you. find out those little things and you're like, oh, okay.

So I'm not just completely deranged or whatever, yeah. You know, like I'm giving every man an excuse that is okay to be with the crazy ass. Yes. Ladies. It was funny because I was talking to a friend and I told her that. And she goes, oh, so you just gave me permission to rage text him. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying intentionally stress the guy out.

And she was like, I heard. I can be crossing out. She will love me more. That's so funny. She's like, great. So what you're saying is I should rage text. That's funny. We got to get Oprah on this.

Let the world know. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not right a book. I'm curious. I'm curious. We're going to ask you some funny stuff.

Oh, not all funny. Some funny. I like the title of your broad ideas. Broad ideas. I dig it. You know, word play. Da-da. If you're starting your own nudist colony, what are your rules?

No clothes. Welcome to a bright idea. Thanks for being here. No clothes and no dudes. There you go. Those are pretty practical rules. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be stressful.

It's going to be a lot of stress. I know. What's more attractive, intellect, or sense of humor? Ooh, wow, that's a tough one. I know. Oh, man. I think sense of humor, I think it goes further. And I think you have to be very smart to have a good sense of humor. I agree. True. True. I'm hilarious. What was your favorite song in high school? Oh, wow. Favorite song? Man, this is going to get ugly.

Me and like two friends were the only punk rockers in my high school of, you know, rednecks and farmers. Probably one of the cult songs. Yeah. You know, at that time, I would say Skinny Puppy, but nobody knows Skinny Puppy anymore. No. And so, yeah, I don't know song-wise, though. I never remember the name. I was just saying this to somebody last night.

I never remember the names of songs. Right. You just sing them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a thing going.

You're free to sing. Yeah, you can sing. Yeah. I actually charge. What's the best sound in the world? I love you. Oh, that's so sweet. Biggest panty dropper.

As if I wear panties or as if what may make someone drop. I like both. I think when somebody is not self-conscious. You know, when they're outside themselves on a regular basis, when they're aware of other people more than themselves, I find that incredibly attractive. Yeah. I think it's why, like, you go in a restaurant, you know, and for me, like, the waitress is always hotter than any actresses and everything there because she's not thinking about herself. She's, like, busy doing stuff and attending to other people, and it's an attractive quality for me. I love that answer.

I know. That's a really good answer. I agree. And I feel like it's really, people need to hear that too, because, you know, you can also be trained. Like, no, it's true. Like, I think there's a lot of people. I've witnessed this because I'm sober and I'm in the program. And I've witnessed a lot of people go from being completely self-centered to putting others first, doing active service.

Yeah, you're not. You can be trained out of it, too. Yeah, you can change. You can change. People, you can change. Yeah, that's our message. I like that, though. I'm sober, too.

I mean, it's only been like seven months, and I'm not in a friend. But I decided to take a year off of drinking and it's been the greatest thing. And so, yeah, I think a lot of things come with clarity. It brings a lot of light into your life. Yeah. It also, for me, it's the first time I felt anxiety in my life. Now that, like, I don't have something to quell it. Yep.

You know, I go, oh, shit. I never like I go to work events and I'm like I'm fucking nervous. I was never nervous ever. And I was like oh shit I don't know what to do. Yeah. But to live in that. It's the first two years of my, I have 13 years. Oh wow.

Congrats. Thank you. The first two years were the hardest years of my life. Really? Because of that. That right. Well, I was like, what is this feeling of being human? And part of that's detoxing, right?

Like just some of it. I mean, not all of it. But like certainly in the initial. part. I imagine those toxins persist for a while. Certainly in your brain from everything the research I've done, it takes, that's why I said a year, it takes a year to even start to clear all those toxins. It took me two years to feel human. Okay. Good to know. I know. Not ever, some people feel it right away, but I was like, what are these feelings I'm feeling of anxiety, like social anxiety, all of those things that I'd never felt before. Because I always had...

Alcohol. Yeah. It's like a little, just even if it was like a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah. So you might be a little, you might be a little shaky for a minute. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like it, but I'd like it, I guess. But it's learning how to operate a vehicle, right? It's like this human body. It's like the coolest part about, for you, like seven months, it's like I would have never learned how to operate my vehicle. unless that was taken away. Because if I had that, it's like, okay, well, this makes me feel comfortable.

You take that away, then you're like, what do I do to feel comfortable? And then you hit all these other things. You start reaching for things that bring so much more into your life than a beverage. Wow, yeah. Right? You're like, oh, I'm learning about my brain chemistry and my sleep and my exercise. You're like, how do I operate this thing? That's a very good point.

Well said. Yeah. I think that's so crucial. And, yeah, I'm loving it. It's just just I'm noticing that, you know. Is it the first time in your life that? You know, I never really thought I was a drunk. Yeah.

You know, like, I never really, like, I didn't feel like I had an issue. And I didn't go to AA or I didn't go. So, and all the alcohol is still in my house. So I don't think I have that kind of addiction. But I definitely had an addiction. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And yeah, yeah, it's probably my first time I've taken an extended break from drinking.

I mean, I was probably typical like most, like maybe I went a week, you know, after like a party, a big party or something. Maybe I went a week, but maybe I didn't sometimes. And then I just started noticing like, wow, like I've had a drink every night this week. And maybe it was one, maybe it was two, but like, and I never got drunk. But I'm like, I wonder, I think I need to see if I can stop. Right. And then I stopped for, you know, and it was just within that first week of like sleeping better. And those rose-colored glasses you hear about were legit.

Like my serotonin levels were resetting. And I was like, fuck, the world is amazing. Never want to drink again. So, yeah. But I, yeah, it's, I guess it's the first time. I'm 54, so like, it was about time. Yeah. Yeah.

My mom had stopped like two years ago, and I, you know, I was visiting her, and this was like over a year ago now. And I was like, do you wish you to stop 20 years ago? Because I'm 20 years younger. And she was like, yeah, absolutely. And I was like. That's it. Doing it. I will make that choice.

Wow. It's a really powerful choice because you just, it leaves so much space for learning. Yeah. It really does. Yeah. So much space. Yeah, there's a lot a lot. There's a lot.

There's a lot, lot, lot, lot. Yeah. Yeah. This one, real drunk. Horrible drunk. Horrible drunk. She never drinks. Yeah.

Never, never liked it. I was like, what is that? I know. So bizarre. I know. It's a blessing. It's a super blessing. It's not boring.

Is it me or you? You, the strangest reason you've broken up with someone? Oh, the strangest reason. Or funniest or weirdest or whatever. I don't, you know, I mean, the reason wasn't necessarily strange, but I remember when I moved to New York, I had been going to school at University of North Carolina, Wilmington. I love Wilmington.

Yeah, yeah, it's a great. Yeah, it's so cute. It's overgrown now, but it's so beautiful there. And I had my first girlfriend, and so she moved to New York. with me in about three months in, I was like, oh, no. Oh, no. And so I, you know, I knew I was going to, you know, pull the plug on it. And I came back to my apartment and she was waiting.

And I was like, let's, we were living in Gramercy Park on third and 20th. And I was like, let's go walk to the river, the East River, pre-Juliani New York, where like maybe a body flows by. And she's like, a walk to the Easter. She's like, you're breaking up with me, are you? Yeah. And I was like, let's just go for a walk. And on that walk. You're like, hey.

Yeah. So the reason was, you know, we were, I just knew I was hitting this growth point in my life. That as a new artist, finding my feet and all that, I was like, you know, I just knew it wasn't right. and that I wanted my freedom. Right. You know, I wanted the freedom to be up all night learning lines and not have, you know, I don't know. I just, and I don't know what it would have been with her. It may have been fine.

But at that point, I was like, I'm sorry. And I had to call her dad. Oh, no. What? You know, they moved. Well, we moved driven her up and moved all her stuff. The opposite is like asking for her hand. Yeah, exactly.

Can you take her hand back? Yeah. That's pretty amazing. That's another good movie. It's all part of that movie. Yeah. Exactly. That is so funny.

Can you take her hand back? I don't want it. It's amazing. On a more serious note, what is your perfect burrito? Perfect burrito. It's got to have sour cream, shredded cheese, chicken, peppers, onions, kind of the standard.

flower tortilla. It sounds like a fajita burrito. I have all that stuff. I know it is. It is a fajita rat. It is. It is. Yeah, it's funny because I was going to say exactly like a fajita.

But in burrito. It sounds good. How about you? What's your favorite? I would go more steak. Okay. Yeah. Steak, rice, beans.

Ooh. Yeah. No lettuce. Some cheese. Maybe. This is our favorite thing in the world, by the way. Maybe a little red sauce and melted cheese on top and a dollop of sour cream. The maybe sounds like maybe, maybe shouldn't be in that sentence.

Yeah, you know exactly. Guys, they're going to say maybe. Give a maybe back. Shred a beef. Ah, yeah. Oh, not. Yeah. You don't want chunks.

No chunks, not with the melted cheese and the sauce on it. It's shredded. You don't want to chew too much. No, I don't want to chew too much. You don't want to chew 32 times. Right. You don't want to get the belt. He's like, I got chewing trauma.

Yeah, exactly. I was like, I just fall in that shit hole. I wonder what happens if I was chewing 40 times a bite. Like, did I still? Did you get it perfect every time? I don't know. No, you got the belt. I got the belt many times.

But you could really, if you had a movie and you were playing like a Navy C or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, really. Let me show you how to eat a fucking meal. Yeah. Square meal. I actually feel like I need that a little bit because I eat. She overeat.

I overeat and I eat really fast. Like someone's coming to get it. Yeah. And, like, when you were saying that, I was like, I might need to do that. Right. I just want to see you. What if someone rushes in and actually eats it? Right.

We used to see my brother. Like, if you saw my brother, you'd be like, no wonder you'd be so fast. He's huge and like, I was always like, you know what I mean? Yeah, you eat like that. I had to eat like that. Yeah. My brother was that way, too. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. Take the pepperoni off your pizza. Yeah. Take the whole damn thing. Yeah. Walk away. Okay.

Yeah. Older siblings are assholes. They are. They can be. Yeah, for sure. What can you say at the dinner table that you can also say in bed? This is good. This is good.

I like how when you were answering, you was like lower the rest. I know. You're like, oh. This just got good. There's so many things I could say. That's the one that comes immediately in mind. say as many that come to mind. Like, you know, it's a long dinner conversation.

Yeah, really. It's a long dinner conversation. Yeah, that could be it too. This is going on and on and on. I think I'm done. Where's dessert? I think I'm done. I think I'm done, yeah.

You know, that's not sour cream? Maybe sour cream? Yeah, maybe. I was about to say a dirty joke. Oh, man. Say it. No, it's the moment passed. Just know that it was happening.

Damn it. I know. What are your age parameters around dating? I don't know necessarily. I haven't dated a lot, to be honest. He's like, I just get married. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

You know, certainly with 23-year-old kids, I'm thinking they have to be at least, you know. 22, you know, like late 30s, you know, to feel comfortable. Yeah. When you first said 23, I thought that was going to be your bottom. Yeah, right. You're like, 23. That's crazy, though, if you think about it. Because there are dudes that date, you know, 23, 24, whatever, but to think your kids are that age.

I know. That makes it different than your kids. Yeah, for sure. How do you handle that? Yeah. You know, I think there's a disconnect in. the parent-child relationship somewhere. Maybe.

It allows that to be possible. Yeah. I also think there's a tremendous amount of change that happens in your early 20s to mid-30s, early 30s, where it's like a very young woman, young man to a woman. Yeah. To a man. Yeah, yeah. That time period is crucial in growing and it's kind of hard to connect. Yeah.

Right? For sure. Yeah. Have you tried? What? Growing. Have you tried growing? Have you tried connecting?

No. I've been stuck it by two real fun. Oh, no. No, it's you. It's me? Yep. What is or would be your safe word? Oh.

Harder. Oh. I like it. Okay. We'll keep that. What smells turn you on? What smells turn you on? What smells turn you off?

Bad breath ends me. I feel you on that. Turns me on. I don't know. There's something about like the right perfume and I don't know what names they are and stuff. Yeah. He's like, I hop up and down. Yeah.

He's like, panties. He's like, it's this one. This one. Imagine. That's amazing. That's got to be in. the movie. Because that would be a part of his mentality. Yeah.

100%. This is what I see. This is what you smell like. I've been dreaming this. I've been dreaming. I'm really excited about this movie, you guys. I know. We have it all figured out. Thoughts on women making the first move. I'm all for it. I'm very shy for the most part. And like, especially in those regards, I never approach women. Like, I find it extremely. So you only get asked out and you don't ever approach women? No, I mean, I will event. But I'm not like, I don't go to bars.

I don't go to like, I rarely eat out. Like it just, I don't find any of it comfortable in terms of like walking up to a stranger and being like, you know, I think we should go on a date. Just a random person you see. You're like, so I don't know. That is hard. That's hard. Yeah. So I'm all for it.

And it doesn't have to be, you know, to me it doesn't have to be that verbiage. Right. You know, I think a look, a smile from somebody is enough to go, okay, I'm not going to fall flat on my face if I try and get to know this person. Right. So it doesn't take them necessarily saying, hey, do you want to go out? But if like... But if there's something like, I really want to get to know you or a look of like, I'm curious about you. And like, let's see if there's something more, you know, then...

You're like, Greenlight. But I'm all down for, like, you know. I'm fortunate that my daughter's had... one boyfriend, her entire, you know, dating life and they're still together. And you like him? I do. I really like them. They've been together almost five years in September.

What? Wow. That is a long time. My son's been with his girlfriend six years. What? Yeah, his only girl he's ever been with. I love that. I know.

That's really tender. They're better than I am. They're like, we'll show you, Dad. Yeah, they're like, this is what it looks like. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Like, just you can learn from things. Yeah. Take a look this way. I remember when I first, this is random, but like when I first started dating my husband, we met in school and we were doing this process. It was like a psychology process where they're like, talk about like what you want. And I remember he was there. I'd never spoken him before. And I was like, he's kind of good looking. Do I be honest? Because like what I really wanted was a partner. But I felt like embarrassing. Saying it in front of him.

You didn't want to like. Yeah, like be like, oh, I really want someone. You know, so I was like, fuck it. I'm going to say it. And like the girl was like your job from now on is like when you go to the grocery store, when you go to Starbucks, when you smile. And I remember thinking that was the most terrifying thing. Interesting.

Someone could tell me to do. But when you were speaking, I was like, that's exactly it. Do you know how many women might not. they wouldn't even know you would be open to them, but they're closing it off by not looking at someone and just smiling. Yeah. Right? Like, do you smile at strangers?

Never. I'm kidding. Right, but it sounds easy, but it's not, is it? No, I think it's, you know, I think it, I mean, there is, you know, attraction is key, but to try and define it is not necessarily easy. And some people, it's a visual thing. some it's a heart you know it's it's something in somebody's eyes or in their mind you know that you're picking up or so you know but it takes that certain connection even in that moment to get to the next step

right and so yeah i don't think you should go around smiling randomly at everybody because it could get you in trouble but i think if you feel something that's like you know then it would only come naturally, I would think. No. No. No. It doesn't. It doesn't. Okay.

It's good to know because I, yeah. It doesn't. So like if I was at Starbucks and I was single, right? And an attractive guy walked by me, I would never. I would never, I would get nervous. I wouldn't like smile and like I do now because I'm. Because I'm married, I feel like I'm safe. Yeah, yeah.

Like I feel like I can smile at people, be kind and they're not going to want something. Yeah. Right? So a girl, I think it makes them feel uncomfortable to do that. And what if a guy comes in and smiles at you? That's great. You smile back. Yeah, yeah.

Because then you're like, oh, okay, it's okay. But, like, I would say if you saw someone that you find attractive and they don't smile, it doesn't mean that they're not open to you. It just could mean that they're a girl. I mean, it's a, you know, honestly, it's so. Do you understand what I'm saying? I kind of get it as a dad, I think, in that, like, I mean, I think, like, it must be difficult because every dude, you know, would come in and want to smile at you guys and, like, hit on you and all that stuff.

So there's got to be a wall that goes up at some point where you're like, you know, I can't just be free. Well, what I was going to say is, like, it obviously depends on the – I'm talking Starbucks. I'm talking grocery stores. That's what I mean, yeah. I'm talking whole foods. Not where it's an environment that's like, you know, it's not a house party or, like, you know, a friend's gathering or something. Well, I was going to say it depends on who's smiling at you. Right, or the vibe of that person.

Yeah, but you're saying like, oh, if like a dude just smiles, you know what I mean? I think what the person was saying was open yourself up. Just being open. That nobody's going to come talk to you if you are so close off and you're not smiling and giving any sort of indication that you're open. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's why I just always open. So I don't get that. I'm just always open. Wide open. No, I just interesting. Where's your favorite Starbucks?

I'm going to tell you my order. Yes, but what I always go back to is because, like, I find myself a very open person in general. But what we were talking about before with like the love with your kids and whatever. So if you're not like feeling the need to fill that. Yeah. Maybe you're just kind of walking around to every Starbucks oblivious. Yeah. You're not walking.

I just go through the drive-through. Yeah. You know what she doesn't even get out of the car. But I think that's exactly what she was saying, though. The teacher was saying is that, yes, we get caught in our routines, in our minds. We get caught. We get blocked. Right.

And, you know, the simple act of staying open to being able to smile is a way through that. Yeah, that can lead to things that could lead to what you want. Right. Which got me marriage. He just smiled at Jeff and that's what it did. Yeah, right after I was like, no, but I will say the act of starting to do it and remind myself to open and to soften made me open to him. Right.

So it's not about meeting the guy at Starbucks. No, it's just about meeting the guy at Starbucks. No, it's about like if you want that, you have to be open. You have to be a little open. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. But I think that goes for everything in life.

I think it really pays off just to be open. Yeah, absolutely. Wide open. Yeah, exactly. Wide open. Wide open. I can't. I can't wait to make this movie.

Yeah. It's not going to really on to something. Huge. Yeah. Oh, my God. You're going down for a murder you didn't commit. You have the chance to frame someone to get out of it. Who do you frame?

Probably the critic from variety. No. Yeah, man, I could pin it on my dad and not like madden eyelid. I was like, I feel like I could answer this for you after this conversation. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, I think I must have picked that up.

I think you did. I think I was smiling. And in that smile, you were open. I knew. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it.

You got it. Wide open. You felt it. So good. Do you want to tell us anything about it? out your show. You know, it's a, it's a phenomenal story. It's a lot of, it's, you know, it's, Jean-Carlo Esposito plays, a man who, it's all set in New Orleans who had lost, his son was murdered a year prior to the story starting at 19 years old, and he's got a daughter and a wife,

and, but everything's falling apart in the grief. His business is failing. He owns like a, you know, black car, limousy. service. It's like six cars, but it's going bankrupt, can't get alone. Everything's just withering under the guilt and the grief of the loss of his son, as it would. And he has a, he has a lot of personal guilt as to, you know, having driven his son out of the house and, you know, and his, you know, you find that his ex-partner in crime shows back up needing his help. And you learned that they had done crimes together for years. And this dude went away for the crimes they did and never ratted him out,

spent 17 years in the toughest prison in the U.S. Angola, Louisiana State Pen. And he needs his help to stay alive. And he winds up helping him. And shit goes bad. This is dark. Yeah. Yeah.

It's dark. Yeah. Wait, are you the dude that was in jail? I'm the guy who comes back. Yeah. I just figured. He's this Cajun crazy. Cajun, which is a blast of an accent to do.

Yeah, how'd you learn that? I had done a film with Lawrence Fishburn like five years ago when Quibi was, you know, trying to make films and Antoine Fouqua produced it and was directing it. And then a couple weeks before we started, he handed it over to this incredible director named Seeth Mann, but he was sort of there to foster it. And it was set in New Orleans. and in the way the story was, that character wasn't written Cajun,

but in our conversations about it, I played this sheriff who, you know, his partner gets killed by this guy, and he's out to get him back and to kill him. And so I wanted it to feel like this street war. And the way to do that was that it felt like this guy was, you know, deep in New Orleans. So I said, you know, how about doing the accent?

And he was like, absolutely. if you can do it right. And so I, you know, worked on it, worked on it, worked on it, worked on it. And then they wisely gave me a driver who was Cajun. And so I got to every morning on the way, I'd run ship by them, you know, and just soak it up and all this. So I had a bead on it prior. And then this one I was really interested in it, the Cajun, but also mixing it with, you know, Angola's 90% black populace. So, you know, how did he survive and who did he pretend to be and how did he want?

So I was sort of trying to blend this feel and sound. It's a blast to do. You know, the thing for me was I had heard when I read it, I tend to hear scripts musically. And I heard like all he, Jean-Carlo's character has all these bass notes. He's in the grief and the depression and all that. He's really low and, you know, barely a whisper. And I knew or I felt instinctually that we needed something staccato to move the story. So he could sit in that.

But then when it, that's that we move, you know, and then we get to sit. And then we, so it just sort of really worked, you know. And to the point that we went to do the camera tests, I had auditioned for it with my daughter, made tape in my kitchen, got the part, go to New Orleans. I think it was a couple months later. And we're, Jean-Carl and I rehearsed quite a bit, you know, and go over stuff. And then we go to do the camera test. It's like a couple weeks in.

And he's like, I got to tell you, you know, you die in the sixth episode. And I was like, oh, all right. You know, it's only six episodes for the first season. So I was like, well, you know, I love what I'm playing. I love what, you know, well, two weeks in. the electricity between us was so vibrant, he came up to me. He's like, you know, Aaron Paul was supposed to die in the sixth episode of Breaking Bad. No way.

He's like, you got the writers rewriting. Wow. That's amazing. It went from this thing to this thing. Yeah. And the chemistry between us was just so natural and immediate. And for me, it just came out of hearing the rhythms. That's dope.

But for whatever reason, like, it just flew off the page. And it was, it's hard not to notice. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, it was just such an incredible experience. And the piece is so amazing. And I had never done stuff other than, like, I did a Spielberg mini-series for TNT. But I never really done anything out of those major networks, you know, which were so frustrating in their formulas and all that shit.

And to get to do this was just so freeing. And it's an incredible story. And it's, you know, he's such an incredible performer and so visceral and real. And it's just a, I mean, it's a really top-notch story with incredible storytellers. Bradley Whitford's in it. Yeah. There's just, yeah, Paula Malcanson plays his wife. So cool.

I mean, it just went on and on. And I was like, what the fuck am I doing here? but like, you know, we made it work. You know what you're doing. I do know what you're doing there. I've been at it long enough. Yeah. Yeah, it's yours.

But yeah, I mean, it was, it's a, you know, it's, you know, it's weird. You sort of make these things. And I get so lost in it while we're doing it that I forget people are even going to see it. So I never really think results, you know. I never think of that end thing. And now, you know, I realize that the television landscape is weird. We were at the up fronts last week, and, you know, even AMC is announcing to their buyers how, you know, these time-shifted viewings, like not everybody's watching in the way that people used to watch. And this is not new news, but, you know, they're really showing them that they understand and showing us that they understand that, you know, numbers aren't going to be.

Like, I had Jericho when we premiered, we had 14 million viewers. Yeah. That's bananas. You can't get that nowadays. No, because people are so distracted and watching a million. Yeah, there's too many things. There's streaming and then this and that. Yeah, it's totally different.

So, you know, I don't, I guess I learned early on to forget results in terms of that side of it. It's never know what it's going to be. You can't predict it. I guess if you're in a Marvel temple, well, now that's even question. You never know. But two years ago, if you were in a Marvel temple, you knew you're set. And, you know, but for the most part, it's such a nebulous business. And it's so hard to know that you really only live by those days on set and enjoying your job.

Because if you're enjoying this part and not that part, you're never going to get to this part. Right. No, right. And you're not going to enjoy it when you do. Yeah. Because that's, you just don't know how to be present. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. Anytime, no matter what anyone does, it's the same thing. If you're missing the forest through the trees, you're going to be miserable. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly it. And, you know, so I don't know. I, you know, it's, I love, I love it. I hope we get to do more just because I love working with him.

And I think it's so, the character is so interesting. I also play his twin brother, which is a lot of fun. I mean, it's one scene in the first six, but like there's, you know, there could be a lot more, which would be a lot of fun to delve into. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. It's cool doing scenes with yourself. You're like, I'm the best team partner I've ever had. I'm really generous as an actor.

Well, my point is that, like, you know, I can decide, like, if I'm not, if I'm acting with you and I do that, who knows what the fuck you're going to react to. Right. Yeah. But if I'm playing. In the opposite, I can make this mean anything. Right. And so you're able to build this dynamic that you're in control of both sides of it. I like it.

That's really fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. But you have to explain it. That's the hard part. You have to go to the director like, well, when this character does this, this guy's going to go this. And you wind up looking like your hand puppeting. Which you are. Yeah, essentially.

Yeah. But it's such a fun show. And it's so much, I love that character. And it was the real, like, it was one of the first times I just let myself go. I didn't go in a makeup trailer or hair trailer. I have natural afro. And like, you know, yeah. That's nuts.

That was not a perm. No. That was not a perm. That's your natural hair. That's my natural hair. Get out of bed. Hey, good for you. Oh my God.

I don't know. Yeah. But I, you know, I was like, you know, I felt this guy's spirit and energy. And I was like, that's what I want. to bring forward. Yeah. And, you know, the guy lives on a boat with no electricity or shower. He's been in the pen for 17 years.

Any kind of vanity felt wrong, you know. No, I love that you did that. And it also doesn't look like you, which I think probably gives you more permission. Yeah, absolutely. When you can disassociate and just be like, this isn't even. Yeah, I got to lead with spirit. And it was like, you know, it was something. that the creator had brought up in our

before I was hired like in our I sent him my tapes whatever and then I had a Zoom call with him and the showrunner and and he was like you know the he's like it just gives me so many ideas where to go you know like I'm starting to like piece in when you did this moment that maybe this and blah blah blah and then he was like you know I really feel like this guy could walk through

any parish in New Orleans no matter which one the ninth word whatever and and high five people walking down the street. And I was like, oh. Like I got it. I like that. Yeah, I like that.

I like that. And so I sort of went with that, you know, and it just became this energy. And I mean, I love my job. I show up, you know, I never bring, I know my shit and I've always been that way. And I bring so much gratitude to the crew. I bring them masseuses twice a month. You know, I take care of them. I'm into their part of the art.

And I learned this very early on from a lot of great directors. I've had the benefit of working with five Oscar winners and the way they, you know, collaborate really set in my mind early on. And so, you know, I bring a lot of fun to the set and a lot of energy regardless of, you know, the darkness of the story or whatever. I'm not method in that way. I can get into the scene. Yeah, absolutely.

But I don't need to make this whole 80 people miserable around me for me to play it. So, yeah. So it's just so much fun. You know. Yeah. But it's important. I think that so many people forget that it takes a million people. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very aware of it. No. Yeah.

But yes, a lot of people do, and it gets very narcissistic. And, you know. But I have. have to say, maybe minus two or three people in, I don't know how many credits I have, everybody has been so lovely and open. I mean, we're in a profession full of open-hearted, smart, artistic, caring artists. And it's a blessing. Most of the world's not like that. No, right. And yes, there are your cutthroat business people, you know, that are, you know, that are, they yeah they're great now but you show up at the premiere and it's a competition

whatever you know but i attribute it to you because i don't think it's happenstance because i think that there's like alternate realities right like i think there's a lot of sets where that's not the case yeah but i do think that it's whatever frequency that you're choosing to live on and live by then you call in people on that frequency yeah That's a good point. And so if people are continuing to be miserable in their jobs, in their workspace, and what is it that they can do to get into the frequency where they're going to have a different experience? Because I know there's a whole other culture in different sets, you know, that experience different things.

So I do attribute that to you. There's something you're living by that's bringing that into your. It's the joy of doing it, to be honest. I love it so much. I just love it. And it's, you know, and I love that traveling circus feel. Yeah. You know, that, I mean, that there are people who leave their families behind to put props on the table, you know, and all this. And I love that they've spent their days and hours thinking about where that stuff goes and that it's,

and everybody's sort of a part of telling this story. Yeah. You know, there's nothing better in my mind. I mean, for me, that's just where I thrive. So this year and a half, I said, man, I'm like, blessing. I can't wait until like, oh, I'm dying to get back to it. Yeah. I mean, I love my hobbies.

I love my life. I love my family. But I love my job. Like, I just love it. And it shows. I mean, and people get infected by it. And it changes the environment. And it, you know, it does become a collective telling a story.

And there's nothing better. I've always felt like there are first eyes as performance. performers. And if they're not invested now granted, you know, some people got shit to do during takes to get ready for the next thing you're about to do. So I'm not expecting complete attention at all times. But when you're weird if you're like, everybody. Yeah. That would be weird. Yeah, that would be weird. But, you know, when you have those scenes and people are present for it, you can tell whether you have something or not. I don't mean individually, but I mean as a story.

And it's a powerful thing, you know, to include them in that process and to count their emotions during it as valid. Right. Yeah. You know, if they go, you know, you're like, all right, what's not real about it? Right. You know, what is it to you that's, you know, not. real about it. Do you see people doing that?

No, but I just mean as an example, like if that were to happen, I mean, I've certainly had conversations where, you know, somebody will, it won't be that obvious that, but, you know, a sound mixer or something, I'll say, I don't know, like this or this or this. And you go, oh, or you go, well, the reason is this and this and this. Right. Not just, you know, fuck off. You don't have a part. You know, you're not in the scene with me.

What are you fucking care. Right. But it's also probably how you guys as the actors, I think that has a lot to do. with how you treat people too. For sure. If they've got dicks on set, they're not going to stop and watch the scene. They're going to be like, I've got work to do.

Yeah. Fuck them and move on. Yeah. Right? But like when you have their attention, you know you're treating them right too. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Right. I just think it's you treating everyone, you know. Like it's just like you said, like it's everybody a part of it. Yeah. Like for me, I'll always be like, I've got to change really quick so they can go

and like get the clothes and then put the back. You know what I mean? And I'm like, no, you don't have this. take my makeup off. You go home. I'll leave. I'll do them again. Same. I will take your makeup off. I will take your makeup off. I hang my clothes and I re-bag them for them. Yeah. That's so nice. Yeah. I always like you're not I'm I just think it just goes to show character and you guys are all supporting each other. And I would never just leave my clothes like on the, you know, and you're in that way too. It's like, you know, I'll put them back exactly how they came. It's just a thing of respect and you guys are all doing this together.

You're in it together. So no one's. here. Yeah, no, exactly. You know, I do hold to, you know, I do hold to, you know, the idea that the, you know, there needs to be a safe space for the actors to do their job. So there are, you know, requirements to that. And, you know, but I'm able to put myself in a position where I can say, you know, like, this is our time, you know, just give us the space, you know, and people will respect it,

you know. So there is a, there's a given take to it. And I remind, you know, young actors on Riverdale, there were a lot of young actors who, you know, were very into that idea of like, you know, I don't know how I can complain. Transpo was, you know, here an hour after me moving this and that. And I'm like, but they didn't go home and spend two hours learning lines. They went home and tuned out and they don't have to do anything, you know, they're in their in their truck right now sleeping while we're working. So don't get too lost in that. We're all busting our ass, but you're also busting your ass.

Right. And don't negate it because we do go home and do homework. And there's, you know what I realized? There's reasons for it. So I did something recently. I hadn't acted in a long time and I did a movie. And they were like, no, you go ahead and eat first and this and that. And I was like, no, no, no, let them all go.

Like let everybody go. I don't need to be treated. Like, you don't need to do that. And then the director, someone came up to me and he was like, no, no, Olivia, you have to go first because we need to get back for the shop. And I was like, oh, I'm not being treated special. I'm just needed next. Yeah. I thought everyone was like treating.

And I was like, that's gross. Like, don't treat me like that. It made me really uncomfortable. And they were like, no, because you have to work first. They're like, no, no, because we need you back faster. And I was like, oh. Okay. But when you get, like, practical with it, you're like, oh, there's a reason they're doing all of that for you.

It's not because you're special. Yeah. It's not because the actor is number one. It's because they need to do it because they need you in the shop fast. Yeah. You know? There's a, you know, there's in the 90s there. And I see it a little bit now, but there were these old school producers who, and, and I, I, you know,

I know it still exists, but it's less so, but that took care of actors in a way that knew that we had something to do that was special and that was different than anybody else's job. And so it wasn't a matter of like, you know, oh, I only want green skittles or this and that, but like they made sure everything that you needed as a human being was within reach so you could focus. So they could get what they need from you. Well, so they could get what they need. But yeah, I relate it to like, you know, would you take a football team to the Super Bowl and then completely ignore those guys and not let them get the sleep they needed, not let them get the food they needed, not, you know.

But these producers understood that, that, you know, you're about to step on stage and I need you to be how you need to be. Exactly. And it's a, you know, there's a lot now that is almost a mill about, you know, things. that gets problematic because it doesn't give the performers the chance to excel. And if we don't excel, it's gone. It's all gone. So, you know, you have to give us that space to do it. Now, that can all be done in the environment I explained of, like, everybody enjoying their job

and working together and green skittles and the whole thing. So it's a nice blend when you hit it, when everybody respects each other's positions and jobs and needs. And they're met. Yeah, and I think that's the important part is realizing that it's for the storytelling. They're doing these things because they need the best version to tell the best story. Yeah. Versus, we're doing this. Wimical.

To make your ego bigger or to make you feel a certain way. It's like, important for people to note, like, I am being of service, and this is how I'll be of ultimate service with all these kind of things. Yeah, it's exactly it. Moving around me. Yeah. I think we really have everything figured out now, personally. Yeah, we've got a conversation.

Personally, professionally. I mean, professionally. Got our Starbucks attitude set. We've got our Starbucks attitude set. Olivia knows she can eat first when she works. I mean, like, really, we just kind of covered. What else is there to go to? Everything.

Most important. We know what works at the dinner table and in the bedroom. You know, also key, very important information. Yeah. Listen, we have everyone set up for success now. Perfect. I feel good. Yeah.

Go out there and do it, people. Yeah, exactly. Do it. You're welcome. Green Skittles for everyone. Yeah. You can send your donations to broad ideas. There you go.

Yeah, and everyone can watch Parrish. And what streaming services are? It's on AMC. AMC and AMC Plus. I knew that. Yeah. And they're, you know, there three of them have come out. They're doing every week.

That's so fun. Yeah. It's awesome. I did know. It was AMC. Thrilling. It's gritty. It's gritty.

It's definitely pretty. I did. It's my brain. It doesn't work all the time. It's okay. There's only a million streamers out there. Just like so many things and everyone. Yeah.

And a million thoughts floating and there's a lot of things happening up here. Oh my God. Well, this is so much fun. Yeah. Thank you guys. It was a blast. Yeah. Appreciate it.

So fascinating. So much fun. We went from like kidnapping heart surgery to like toasted squirrels. I mean like we really ran the gamut of. Yeah. We really did it. Ding, ding. Yep.

And your show perish. Everyone should watch it. A-M-C. Yeah. D-S-A-P. TM coming to me. Wow. We just keep going.

We really need to stop. Guys, hi. Hi. Hi. We're here still. Still here. Still here. I have a question for you guys.

I have an answer. I have a very important question. When you see. a penny on the ground. That's fucking weird. Why? Go ahead. Do you pick it up?

Wait, there's more to my question. I was going to ask, do you pick it up? And there's a follow-up. She's like, I saw a penny this morning. I know. Why? Tell me. No, go ahead.

Well, because yesterday, I literally, I saw a penny on the floor of my house, and I almost ignored it. And I was like, who cares? It's a penny. I don't need to pick that up. And then I went, find a penny, pick it up, and then all day you'll have it. Good luck.

And I haven't. You nailed that. Well, she was saying it different than how it's set. It's just how I say it. And so I got flubbed. So, but that was the first time in many years that I've gone through that whole thing. And then you ask the next day. That is what, did you pick it up?

I sure did. And I carried it with me all day yesterday. It was in my pocket all day. Yeah. That's why I'm saying it's weird. See, a penny, pick it up all day long, you'll have good luck. Now, my next follow up, I take it a step first. Do you always, and I always do this, look at the year.

I've never done that. Yeah, I look at the year. You do? You do? Why? What does that do for you? I just want to see, does the year have significance? 1905.

It's cool. I got targeted for an app, like a coin app. So when you find a coin, even if it's not 1905, it could be 2005. Some of them are worth, like, thousands of dollars. Oh. Really? Yeah. Or like $100.

Are you going to be a coin collector? I think it might be a coin collector. I like it. I'm serious though. Like, because I always look at the year. Always. I can't, you never look at the year?

I've never once looked at the year. That was crazy. I didn't know I could make money. Now I'm going to look at it. I don't do it because I'm making money. I don't look at it for money. I don't look at it for money. Yeah, but if it's like your birth year, then like, cool.

Yes, if it's your birth year, it's like, oh, even more lucky. You're like, oh, does this have significance to me. It's more in like the sign of it. not in the money of it, but then I got targeted for this app and I was like, maybe there is money in it. So that is a new revelation. But yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah. I was really excited about the app, though.

Because you got targeted. Should I share my theory? Wait, did you guys? Oh, she has a theory. What? What? What? Remember when quarter?

You were like, oh, what? He said you guys and you said what. What? And that was. No, you go, oh, what? Oh, you what? You said it. You again.

Do you remember when the quarters were coming out and they had the different states on the back? Did you collect? Did you collect all the states? I didn't. But I did notice, like, I would look to see what state it was. I would clock it. Queen collectors? There was like a period in time where they were changing the quarter.

Details in life. And every state had its own quarter. My dad was collecting them for us. Did he get them all? No, I don't think. so. Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm. I have jars of like old coins if you want to just like touch them. I want the app. I have like Michael Eglar brought me big things of like old coins. Dude, you might be sleeping on some serious money. I have a friend that's just started drawing for the mint. So he's like designing coins. That's cool.

That's cool. The U.S. Treasury. What is he coming up with? They have like commemorative, usually commemorative coins that are coming out. So they have got like a handful of artists that'll draw and then they pick from that. Do you think he could draw us a coin with broad ideas and his business on it? If we paid him, I'm sure he would. I don't want to pay him because I don't want to pay him.

Guys, can we just bring up the Taco Bell thing again? Yeah, Rob didn't let me finish my order. You didn't let her finish her order. What are you talking about? I said, meat and cheese burrito, no onions, extra red sauce. That's not where it stops. That's where it starts again, okay? Because there's also a crunchy taco with mild sauce and then nachos.

You didn't let her finish her whole order. And sometimes a Mexican pizza and sometimes a toastas. I feel like you guys went off on tangents when we were talking about it, and I had to bring the conversation back to what, what, ordering because we've been three minutes and neither one of you have actually said your order. We probably went into detail about, like the sauce. People really felt seen in that. They really responded to the Taco Bell clip.

I just saw a scary movie the other day. What was it? The strangers. The prequel. Oh, you went to AMC to see that, right? You're so stupid. The prequel, right? It was at the requel.

I was freaking screaming out loud. I loved the. original. The original was really creepy. Yeah. It's so creepy, you guys. How's the music in the new one? Because the original, in the original one, they play, like, Joanna Newsom. Oh, really? On vinyl, like, super creepy. Yeah, they played a lot of dope stuff on vinyl. Yeah. I don't, it was really scary. It was a lot,

it was torture, to be honest. I was like, why are we doing this to ourselves? Because there's so much. Was it a full theater, too? Full theater. So there was a lot. a jump scares and a lot of like there's one coming there's one coming and then it wouldn't come and you'd be like we would audibly be like the whole audience would be like were there any weird screamers um weird screamers there was a i when i saw when you can answer first before not that no i didn't hear any weird i saw some like real grown men being like oh fuck like uh i remember seeing pan's labyrinth and a whole theater on opening weekend

And there was a man that, like, screamed hysterically every time he got startled. Like, this high-pitched, like, freak out. And it just made everyone laugh every time something scary happened because he would get so scared. Oh, my gosh. Do you start getting scared in the theater? Like, I start not trusting the people around me. I'm like, I don't know about you. Like, are you going to...

My fear in theaters is putting my head on the back of the chair. Yeah, I don't... I feel like it's less scary in a theater. Oh, I feel. I feel like it's more scary in a theater because I start to not trust the people. Like someone's going to act like a creep and do something really. I don't like that's weird. My favorite was one of my exes would get so scared.

Which ex? Which ex? I'm not going to out him. He would get so scared. Like, remember the movie? Was it called like the cave or something? Whatever. It's like spolunking.

It's super scared. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. And like every time like when there was the jump scared, like you would scream so loud. And it was my favorite. So I used to always hide in the house When they even come walking and jump out Really? Yeah

Natalie hates when I do that to her Yeah, I would do it all that time To us Yeah, he does We don't trust rob I did it to her nanny once or twice too Would you say? I did it to her nanny once or twice too

I'm like that That's amazing That's funny I'm just trying to picture Jeff doing that to our nanny And that's really funny Well it's because we have very little interaction too So the only time is me That's so awesome

I love it That's really funny One time was on accident and she like fully Lost it I hope she wasn't holding Vincent No Oh it's really good though To do a jump scare

It's like one of my favorite things to do It's so scary To people I think What is your favorite scary movie? I don't know I can't even think You'd have to like tell me some because my brain doesn't retain.

Hereditary? No. Midsummer. No, never seen it. Midsummer. It's less scary but more creepy. No, this is more like jump scare.

Like, jump scares. So just your 90s era. I don't remember anything past the 90s. That's what I mean. I don't even remember scream, to be honest. Here's what I love about scream. I like the ones that have... It's just like these two best friends

that are actually the murderers. Is that right? Spoiler alert. Oh, shit, sorry. Well, he's not on promoting screen. Skeet is the killer, right? He's the main killer? I think.

I know he's the killer. It's been a long time. He's a killer. He's a killer. I feel like Matthew Lillard and him are like killers. I sound so stupid. A little bit. Well, it's not stupid.

It's just you don't remember. I do know. I do know. I've seen pictures. The fact that you don't remember the plot and characters of scream, you sound real stupid. Like, what? Did you guys see It follows? No.

No. I read it. You should read it follows. You should watch It follows. I don't remember any scary. I can't think of any right now. That one is. Oh my God.

That one fucked me up as a kid. It? It? It is. That messes me up too. Pet Cemetery was brutal. I didn't like bathroom drains for a while after it. Oof.

Because I watched it really. Like the clown? It? Yeah. I watched it really young. It was on TV. So scary. It's terrifying.

And I didn't see the end of it ever. I loved scary movies like sleeping with the enemy. Sorry, I just had to say that. That's like a thriller. Yeah. That's not a scary movie. That doesn't count. That's a thriller.

Okay. She's like, I love scary movies like pretty woman. Independence Day. Yeah. Armageddon. No, it follows. I think the premise of that is... Wait, is that an it?

No. No, no, no. It's unrelated. Oh, it's just this like creepy entity follows. you and tries to kill you and until you sleep with someone else and then it passes it on to them. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I know that one. But it's just like you can go far away and it's just going to come to you slowly, but it'll eventually get to you.

Children of the corn? Nope, couldn't do it. Remember that one? I can't do those like really scary ones. The Stephen King ones are so fucked up. You do it follows. No. I won't be able to sleep.

And talk to me. Both of those are pretty fucked. I don't want to do that. It really will mess with me. I mean, yeah, those four. You should do hereditary. Let's pivot a little. Wait, wait, wait.

You should do hereditary. No. Talk to me. No. It follows. No. No. Will you watch all those by the next post?

By the next post? No. I'll watch them. Can we just pivot really quick to 90s, like stay in theme with 90s instead of genre really quick? Go for it. We started with like fear. To your world. We're just living in it, Rachel.

Great. You're the main character. Oh, you missed that story. She'll tell it to you later. Do you even know movies from the 90s, Rob? No. They made movies in the 90s? 19-19.

What do you go to, like, in that era? Ooh. Like, scream, fear, like that vibe. That was like around the same time, I feel like. Scream, fear. Realty boys. Ro-M. Romeo and Michelle's high school reunion.

Yeah, but was that high school? I think that's 80s. No, it was not. 80s. That's 90s. Like, you know, because I'm just trying to think of in high school what was really big. Clueless. Clueless.

It was 97. What was 97? Romeo and Michelle. Yeah. 90s. Not 80s. What else? I said clueless.

Oh, my God. Oh, I'm trying to think. We were obsessed in high school with fear and Romeo and Juliet, for sure, scream. Independence Day, Apollo 13, Deep Impact, Armageddon. Get it. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.

Dante's Peak. Titanic. Yeah. Oh my God. All relevant. Titanic was super relevant in high school. Mm-hmm. I think that was the first time I saw boobs on the movie.

Are there boobs in Almost Famous? I mean, I was going. That's a good one too. I was going there in my head to say that was also one. But that was in, I think that was early 2000s. But I saw it so many times in the theater. Sorry, Titanic. Are there boobs?

Yeah. When he draws her. Kate, Oh, yeah. Are they first? Yeah. You didn't see your moms. But wait.

That's it. Hold on. First of all, I said this is the first of one I've seen on screen. Your first boob. Your first boob sighting was a drawn boob. So it wasn't even a real boob. It's her real boobs in the movie. Oh, she shows her real boobs in the movie?

Do you remember that? I don't remember that. I do. Oh, clearly. Oh, 1997. So I was nine years old. You were Breyer's age. Who was your first crush?

Oh yeah, like celebrity. Yeah. Not, yeah, not, not Tammy from... Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I feel like he's gonna... It's like some like indie, like... No, but like who was your first crush as a kid?

Yeah, it was your first crush. Like Anna Chumsley from my girl. Yeah, maybe. Oh, like that. No. So cute. So cute. I don't, I don't know. I don't recall. You don't?

Who was your first crush? Patrick Swayze. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved Edward for a long in Terminator, too. Oh, I did too. Who did? Johnny Depp, obviously.

Mine was probably like the pink Power Ranger. Yeah, that sounds right. You never went hard for Leo. Never. I don't understand that. He never, I know. I used to cry tears over him when I'd go to sleep at night. Yeah.

Literal tears coming out of my face. That's a lot. It's a lot, Olivia. It's true, I did. No, I never was like hardcore Leo. I don't get that with his face. I know. But who else was there at that time in that age bracket that I would have been?

I can't remember now. What about New Kids on the Block? So I was so, like, everyone was obsessed and I was like, I'm not going to be obsessed with them. But, like, secretly I remember sitting in my best friend's staircase and being like, Joey, just say you next. Joey Faton. No, from New Kids on the Block. I'm your popstick. Or you're my popsicle.

And then there was a point where you had to pretend you didn't like them anymore. Of course. Yeah. Just like I had to pretend I didn't play with Barbies anymore. She still does. I like a Barbie. She loves miniature things. I do little mini things.

I like little figurines too. I had a bunch of other. Like half her? Are you building them? No, not like that. Like the wrestling figures. I had a bunch of those. Oh, yeah.

And then my mom gave him away. Oh, no. That's sad. That's tragic. Oh. Guys, I feel really good about this. You do? Yeah.

What do you feel good about? Just the things we've talked about. I'm so happy for you. I'm glad you finally like our show. Yeah. It feels like you just arrived. I did. That was skeet.

That was skeet. Did you have fun? We had a great time. Yeah. You know, we meet a lot of really nice people that come in and they're ready and willing and present and open? We are very lucky. We haven't had a single knock on wood.

Diva, except for Rob. Bye. That was a headgum podcast.