Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Sosie Bacon on Being Bonus Mom, Dungeons & Dragons, and Arts and Crafts

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

Sosie Bacon talks with Rachel and Olivia about the age difference with her partner Scoot McNairy, being a bonus mom, and blowtorch crafts. They also discuss Dungeons & Dragons, zodiac signs, and good and bad shopping.Broad Ideas is supported by Talkspace. Get $80 off your first month at Talkspace.com/IDEAS.Broad Ideas is supported by Paired. Connect with your partner every day using Paired. Download the app at https://www.paired.com/IDEAS.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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No. You're fine. I'm nowhere near you. I swear to God. You guys. Rachel's sick. Yeah, if I get sick, I'm going to be angry. You're not going to get sick.

Just wash your hands. Seriously, that is the trick. Do you guys know that? I've talked about this. Speaking from someone sick, we must How often am I sick? I've been like, I've swapped. Saliva shared everything with really sick and I don't get sick.

Look at that. No, I mean, like, share things with Briar. Who even swapping saliva was so many sick people. I was just being graphic. No, but like I share things with Briar and she's sick and I don't get it. That's my point. I sleep in the same bed when she has COVID and I don't get it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Anyways. Let's get to Soci. You just pass it. You just pass it to us. Can we just get to Sosi who is. She doesn't deserve this. Probably our favorite person.

She doesn't deserve this TikTok. What? What? I was going to say she did deserve that Ham and cheese croissant, though. She really did. Yeah. I am so happy that our soul is connected in such a way. Yes, she's a new friend.

That I knew to get her that specific. Him and cheese croissant. That'll make sense. Later. Stay tuned. But she is an actor. 13 reasons why. Narcos.

Mexico. Uh, mayor of East Town, smile, which I heard is like the scariest movie ever. I don't do scary movies. Sorry, so C.E. I mean, I would. I don't know. I'm scared just thinking about it. Anyways, let's just talk to her. Sometimes when the way inside of Rachel's lit, all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside. To join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about. We'll talk about. about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys.

Because people die. Okay, we're starting. We're starting. Is this a good? Okay. Yeah, I think you're great. You are great. We're so fucking happy that you're here.

I'm so happy to be here. Yeah, it was like, yeah, I was stoked. Yeah. And we, okay, go ahead. Sorry. No, you're part of you. I feel like you were going to start with something. We don't need an intro.

What I was going to say is that when I met Scoot, like, who is, I mean, for context, like you're your guy's old friend. Yes. When we met and it was like during COVID and we have a massive age difference. Okay. Massive is a bit of a, 14 years. That's a lot. Significant.

Yeah. Yeah. And so when we met like he was always talking about like his friends and his old friends and back in the day in Hollywood and all stuff. And I was just like, whoa, first of all, this time in Hollywood sounds wild. That was not, like, I lived here in my 20s and it was not the same experience. But then, like, he would kind of mention people and I didn't really know. And then, like, one time we went to this dinner during COVID and, like, walked in and Sophia Bush was there.

And I was like, wait, what? Like, and I'm like, scoot, I don't think you understand. And then he was meant talking about Rachel, Rachel, Rachel. and I was like, Rachel, who, and he's like, she's an actress. And I was like, who? And he's like, Billson. And I'm like, I'm like, you have to, that's, those are my, those are my, I'm, that's like my generation where I was like fan girling watching every single. I was like, no, for real.

Like, those were meant everything to me. I have all the box sets of like, one tree hill and the OC. I mean, I feel like the OC, I was a little older, so I have like a bigger connection with it. But like, I was like, you don't understand your friends. Like, I'm not, these aren't just like actors. Like, I am, they're like idols. Oh my God. Seriously.

And so it's so funny. I, he always was like, yeah, whatever. Rachel. Anyways, so, huge fan. I feel like it's so funny because me sitting here with you, like, I feel like I'm such a fucking fan of you. Oh, no, my God. Oh, completely. And when I hear that, I'm like, what?

You know, like, there's no. You're like, I'm Rachel? Yeah, like, me? But, like, what shows did you guys watch when you were like, that, like, meant a lot to you in, like, teenage years. Like 90210. Yeah. Like,

the original. Like, yeah, 902 and O, for sure. Like that's a big one. When we met Tiffany Embertheson, we were like,

we grew up idolizing you, right? Like that's a big deal. Like, that's what I mean. I was like, these were all of your friends. Yeah. And actual real friends.

Not like. No, exactly. Not like. No, it was we were all young kids. Just like figuring it out. Like in our first, you know, we lived in our apartments.

we'd all like have sleepovers. That's what I'm like, like your first apartments. Like I can't. It's so crazy to me that he was coming. Like he was basically doing that when I was watching it. You know what I mean? And so it's just a fun. Yeah.

And like he was in the Regina Spector video. I'm like, oh my God. He's like, oh yeah, I just was hungover and someone asked me to do that. You know what I mean? Like it's my like, it's like my heyday of like watching shit. And then it's just so funny. And that's how we feel about your fucking parents. Exactly, right?

That's exactly. Literal icons. That's like real fucking real icons. Isn't it weird how you just can't like see it from the outside really when you're like an actor or. Yeah. Yeah. Like or you grew up like you're like what do you mean? I'm like what?

What is it? Yeah, you're like they're my parents. Yeah, like I can't see like compare them just. I'm not saying you must have to. No, we should try. Yeah. I'm always thinking like who could I compare it to because I don't get it. You don't.

Right. Like, we sexualize it. Yeah. I mean, but it's one of the crazier stories that your parents have been married for. I know. How that happened? I don't know. You don't know.

I know. You were like, I didn't do it. It just worked. Yeah. I honestly think they just like stayed together. That's what I said the other day. I was like, you guys just decided not to like break up, huh? Yeah.

And they were like, yeah, because everyone always asks them that. Like, what's the secret? Right. I don't think. You're like, there isn't one. You just don't know. Yeah. I literally don't think there is one.

Right. Because I think you end up, you run the gamut of, like, feelings about that person. You have to. Yeah, you must. Of course. And, like, I didn't, I mean, I don't know that. Yeah. You were like, I don't know them.

I don't know them. No, but I think they, like, would, they kind of didn't show us a lot of, like, their struggles, you know, growing up because they were really, like, they felt that was really serious and important. My mom did. So I don't really know. Were you raised in New York? Yeah, I grew up in New York.

Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, and then I moved here when I was like 20, 20, yeah. It's interesting. I was watching, I always say it wrong because there's another one, but the mayor of Easton. Yeah. Is that how you say it? I don't know. Mayor of Easttown?

Mayor of Easttown. I think sometimes, I don't know. I was watching that. I never, ever, ever do this. Yeah. I stopped and I was like, I need to know who this person is. And I, like, looked it up and went down a, like, hole. And I was like, oh my God, that's fucking Scoot!

Like, that's so nice. So taken with you. I just was like, it was one of those feelings where I was like, I need to know who this person is. Like, right now I stopped what I was watching to like. That's really like such a big compliment. Thank you. No, because you're incredibly. Massively talented and.

Yeah, it's awkward. Yeah. I'm like. I know. When you're saying fan girling, like literally, like, be a matter of respect. Like, it's just, it's amazing. That's honestly so nice. That's, like, that's cool to think that you, like, stopped.

Because it is kind of like those shows. I did so many guests, cool, guest star, like, arcs. I feel like that's kind of how I ended up getting, like, a bigger movie. It was just because I did a lot. Like, I ended up doing arcs on, like, really good shows. It just was, like, luck. It's not like it was anything else. Or maybe talent, but, I mean, as in, I didn't get, like,

I got, well, I actually did get the job, the magicians, which was on for seven years, but I got fired. So that was lucky. Wait, what? Yeah. Why did you get fired? Yeah, what's that? I don't know. Rewind.

Oh, yeah. So I came out here and I was like auditioning for like a year and I was just like not very good. I don't think. So then I was like, I got to get it like really try to, you know, study and everything, which I had before, but more seriously. And then I got the magicians, which is the sci-fi show that was on for forever. Forever. I shot the pilot. Waited six months.

Okay, first of all, yeah, waited six months. Found out in like the chat that it was like picked up. And then I got a call that was like, and you're not going with it. And I was like, what? And they just, they recast the role. I have no idea why. Absolutely no idea. I don't think I'll ever know.

And it's fine. But I would have been on that show. And you wouldn't have gotten. Yeah. Right. Like, I would, maybe I would have been secure and steady and, like, financially and all that. But, like, all the, I guess what I'm trying to say is all the guest star arcs that I got

really, I think, helped me because. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they just, it was a good way to try out a lot of things. For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I always talk about, like, when you look back and in the moment, you're like, it's devastating or whatever. Like, why? You take it personally and whatever. And then it opens up these other doors. I know. Totally paved the way. 100%.

It's so hard to see that in the moment. Oh, my God. It's brutal. It's so hard. And how old were you? You were like... Oh, I was like... Probably like 21.

Right. It was so young and like what in it? I got over it. Like, it wasn't earth-shattering. It was just... It was just shitty. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah. But the ego is dangerous. I know. Like, especially at a young age. I'm like... Oh, like it's fragile. It is. It's interesting.

It's interesting you say that because I always wonder if, like, all of my issues or problems or whatever come from, like, I always, it's easy to just, like, say childhood. And then it's interesting you say that because there is, like, that early 20s time that is just, like, very bad. It's very confusing. It's so dark. It's so dark. I would never go back to, like, any period of my life, basically, before now. We always say that. I don't like.

Isn't it weird when people are like, I wish I could go. back to no. Nope. Like, absolutely not. Like, no, why? No. Exactly. Like, I don't want to be a kid again. No. No. So fucking not. No. I don't want to go to school. I don't, hell no, I don't want to go to school. We've been talking about it because I moved back, you know, where I moved. And that's where I used to live. And so everyone's like, oh, do you love it? And I'm like, it's kind of giving me a little bit of weird feelings. I totally get that. I totally get that. I was in my 20s. And it just feels like a little sticky. I totally get that. Like a place. Like, New York is.

I mean, I think I had a lot of fun actually bringing the kids there this year. I think that was the first time I liked it since I left because it just, it was like that, I'd land there and I just have this like heavy feeling of whatever I was experiencing, like, whatever. So I totally get that, like a place instigating a feeling of like, ugh. There's a lot there. Totally. I wonder if you, you probably could have, like, grown through. Do you hate it?

Do you hate living in a studio city? I'm like trying to be positive. Yeah. I don't hate it, but it is brought up to it. She's getting used to it. She's getting used to it. I thought it was like, oh, great, this is perfect. But then being there, I was like, I felt like, I felt like, right?

I felt a little bit like I was going backwards. Totally like it's, yeah, no, I, I 100% understand. Yeah. 100%. You know, you and Scoot have really similar eyes. Really? You don't know that? Do you know, I feel like we kind of, I always thought that we, people used to say that we looked alike.

Oh, that was a huge compliment to me. Oh, my God. When I had dark hair and was like younger, I feel like, because of the dark eyes and the dark hair. But I'm trying to think, do we really have similar eyes? Very much so. That's so interesting. I feel like there is something sort of like familiar, like not to be creepy, not like, familial like my, but when I met him, I felt like a certain like kinship. Yeah, that was sort of. That's like a soul connection. Like, you know, that's not weird a dog.

I went to see a, or no, my husband went to see a past life regression person, and they told him that we were a brother and sister in a past life. And I was like, I was for sure the brother. Oh, I thought you were. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, so I do, I mean, I buy into all that stuff. I'm like, there is that soul connect when you meet someone, you're like, why do I know?

How did you know? Yeah, why do I feel like? Oh, we met on NAR. Because I did. Oh, okay. Yeah, he was, and he was like really in the thick of it when we met. Yeah. And I was like, this is perfect.

Seriously, when I think about it, I'm like, what was wrong with you? But it worked out well. But we met, I was, I played a, like, a part that was, it was so much fun. It was like this, like, wife of a narco, and she was like, just this, like, oh, it was just so much fun. and Mexico's amazing. But anyways, I went out there, and I did like a whole bunch without seeing Scoot. And then we had a couple of like scenes together, an episode together. And there was like, it was not like a love connection.

We were like, he was going through a lot. He was like, one of the sweetest stories about Scoot, though, was that we had to see in the next day. And he was like, I saw him at the, like, walking back at the hotel. We were in this tiny town. And he was like, you. you know, standing there like, whatever, and talking to me. And he's like, do you want to run lines in, you can just come by my room and we can run lines for tomorrow to really get them. And like, normally I would be like, but like I was like he seems like so sweet though.

Like I feel like. And I, so I went to his room and he put a pillow in the door and left it so it wouldn't close the whole time that I was in that room. Stop it. Oh, my God. I mean, it really shouldn't be that. No, that's everything. No, that's everything. They just have to do the baseline, respectful, and we're like, oh, my God.

But no. Is that not the sweetest thing? I'm like, so, like, that's game over. I literally cried. When I got back to my room, I was like, he's so sweet. But isn't that so? That's like, oh, my God. That's like, oh, my God.

He's a good human. No, he's really a good person. He's a real. We did a play together. Oh, you did? Yeah, we did. Wait, was it the last one he did the like horse? No, it was with me and Max Winkler.

Oh, you did? You did. This is our youth. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah, just the three of us. It was incredible. Yeah, it was incredible.

Did I see it? Yes. Okay. I have a brain thing. I have no memory. It's never personal. Me neither. I've never had a memory.

Oh, I said Max Winkler. Yeah, I was like, wait. It was Max Hoffman. That didn't sit right. Yeah, no. It's not right. At the Moth Theater, is that where you? You guys did it?

We did it at Stephanie Fury. Okay, got it. Yeah, like on Marchmont. Yeah, that was like one of the best times of my life. See, there's like those pockets, right? Like 20s. It's usually something like that, like art related. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. That's like the best. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. That's so funny. That's so funny. I love that play.

I wish I could do it like whenever I want. I think I'm too old now. What? I don't feel like you could play really young still. Yeah. So I have that problem where I look like that and then it's like doesn't usually work because they're like just you seem a little older and then it's just recently I've been getting. So my niche thing that I'm getting now. Yeah.

Well, first of all, I'm not working and I haven't been for a while and I would love to. My niche thing is not working. I'm like first of all, I'm not busy. But what I keep, what the scripts that keep getting sent to me is like young mom. Yeah. Who's, like, struggling. She's got to be something, she has to just have gotten out of prison. She has to live in a trailer, whatever it is.

It's got to be. And she's got to be a young mom. Because I think, like, I look young, but I seem old, so it's not really like. Well, you're like, I'm not going to lie. It's really good for you. Because, like, no, it's so good. Because you know what it is? It sounded funny.

I understand why they're doing that to you. You understand what I mean? I understand exactly what you mean, and I understand why. Is because... My sinuses. No, I get it. It's because women who have to grow up because of their circumstance, whether it's poverty, whether it's having a baby young, whether it's prison, whether it's whatever,

they've learned something about life that a typical 20-year-old hasn't. Yes, for sure. And so they look young, but there's something more worldly and more. more like hardened kind of, like Mayor of East Town, basically. That's what I'm saying. That's why I stopped to look you up. I look like a baby mom. I look like so young on that show.

Very different. I feel like COVID really. Yeah. Aged up. Aging? I don't know. Do you have sign? Do you have congestion problems?

I have so bad. She's like, do you have issues? I have chronic sinusitis. No way. No way. Maybe that's what I have. Really? Maybe.

Dude, I have. I'm always congested. Did it when you like... What? For mold? I'm wondering if you've tested for mold. So at the house in Laurel Canyon, 100% it was mold because it was like so bad.

And you know what? You're probably right. It's got to have it. Because at the new house, I didn't have it for so long. And then I got COVID again and then it came back. Oh, interesting. How do you get rid of mold? Because we're not moving.

There's ways. Someone just sent me a bunch of information on it because I want to get our house tested. It's just from the age of the house. I'm like, it's got a half mold. And I'm like, should I probably get my house tested? Well, you're just been redone. I got, but I have like this craziest thing. Like, I shot like a underwater scene.

Okay, this was like 18 years ago now. But the water, there was like a bacteria or something. And it got, this is so, this is really. It's sexy. Yeah, well, you know what it is? Attractive. And it got, and I had sinusitis and then it caused like. What is sinusitis?

It's just like a chronic thing. Like, if I don't sleep. Yeah. It acts up. It's weird. No, 100%. I feel like everything is about sleep. Like, I will, like, if I haven't slept for the, like, I haven't been sleeping very well, but literally I'm like, I hate my life.

I hate you. Like, I'm so dark. Oh, my God. Wait, why? I've been doing the same thing. No, I don't think it's, I think it's like really one of, I think it's like the most important thing. Like I went to therapy once and she was like, did you sleep while last night? And I was like, no.

And she was like, you should go. Yeah. And like, sleep. And then we can talk. because nothing right now is like real. I'm like, holy shit, okay. I get that. I have such a hard time, though.

Like, and I don't know. I'm like insomnia. I have the work. You do? You do? What do you do? What do you do? I heard you're a knitter.

I want to knit. Do you really? From someone. Someone may have given us the tea. Maybe an obsessive knitter. No, it's like, it's truly a problem at this point. Wait, what? Well, it's just that I haven't, it's just that I haven't worked in so long, so I have to do something else.

Like, I don't know what to do. And so. And so I, is it in there? Yeah, I have it. I feel free. I mean, if you need to. Yeah, if you need to, like, if you need to for your, no, let's see what I have. Broad Ideas is supported by Talkspace.

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A happier relationship starts here. Let's see what I have. No, I'm not going to, I won't, but. Wait, you have. No, you guys, it's actually really fun. I want to do it. I need to learn. I need it. I need it.

Yeah, because it'll make you like... I need to occupy. Exactly. Just constant. I always talk about this. I go to meetings and I see women. Knitting? Always.

Like, there's like one or two women that will knit the whole time. I love that you have your whole like bagu's set up. Yeah, I have my to-go bag. But no, Scoot is honestly like, do you think you'll ever not be knitting for five minutes? What do you make? Okay, so I think that this, by the way, this started like three weeks ago. So it's not like I'm like a professional. But I think this will be like a best or like a tank top.

Because so it looks tiny, but it's not really. Did you teach yourself? No, honestly embarrassing. No, did you teach yourself? You did? What did you do, watch YouTube? Yeah, just watched fucking YouTube. You can do anything.

Do you guys realize? No. Do you guys realize? I'm like, we could build a house like right now. Yeah. Just watching YouTube. Yes, it's so crazy. I think we should.

No, but seriously, like anything anyone does, like you can learn. It's amazing. That's amazing. It feels like that's not true, but then I started trying things out. And I'm like, I like make jewelry. Yeah, we heard about your jewelry. What's up? What are you doing?

Well, let's see. Just do you have any? Okay, making jewelry is harder. This I made. It's like, legit jewelry. I swear I'm not like coming on here to promote my Etsy shop. You have an Etsy shop? No.

Like, I don't. So like, I just want to make sure everyone knows I'm not trying. This isn't my career. Oh my God. No. But I made this. It's really hard to meet. It's just a ring.

I'm saying it's nothing. Wait, what do you mean you made it? You wouldn't? Like, I, like, I, like, I bent the wire, I sauntered it. Like, whatever. That's hard. You just dropped solder. That's what I'm saying.

It's all or nothing for me. What? Scoot, like, got me a workshop. He, like, said a solder. He's so. You have a workshop for your, you. That's real jewelry, though. Like, I'm talking, like, I went on the Taylor Swift Friendship bracelet craze with my daughter.

That's where it started. That's where it started. Yeah, because I was like, beating. It's a gateway drug for sure. Yeah, no. And then now I have like a fucking blow torch and I'm like, well, they. I'm like about to burn down the house. No, it's really fun.

You guys can come over and see the craft corner. I am so into it. So, but what else do you make besides that one ring? You're like, I have a whole workshop for that one ring. Okay, so with jewelry, it's like harder to, like, knitting. You just get like yarn and knitting needles and then you can make stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

Whereas like, lo, look. Learning how to, like, wells and solder is actually quite difficult. It's more of like a... I wouldn't think it wouldn't be out of. Totally. And you need, like, a ton of materials. So for that, like, I'm just sort of, like, making the rings takes, like, a while to learn. You know what I mean?

Like, it's kind of step by step. I can't even wrap my head around. Yeah, because you're melting metal into metal. That's fun. So it's kind of... When's your birthday? What sign are you? March, right?

So I'm a Pisces. Okay. But I'm massage rising. Okay. So I think that's more of the... You, yeah, really. Yeah. more of the life.

I always ask, but I don't really know anything about. I do. I feel like I, I think you're a Virgo, right? Yeah. I looked it up. Oh, okay. That's impressive.

No, no, no, no. I can just tell by your guy. It's a vibe. I was curious because I was listening to your guys' podcast, I mean, before, obviously. And I was like, so interesting. You're not listening to it now? No, as I'm like, before I came here.

Like, I've been listening to it over the past couple weeks to like, just to get the, and I'm always like, When I hear dynamics, I'm like, what sign is everyone? Oh. So it was like, what sign are you again? Libra. Libra, right. Yeah.

Okay, got it. Yeah, because Virgo is, I love Virgo's and Libra. I mean, Luzzo Libra. And that's my nickname, too. Yeah. No, you guys should meet. Yeah. 10.

She's awesome. Wait, so did you do the whole Taylor Swift thing with her? She doesn't really care about Taylor Swift. I would say that's more of a me thing. Oh, I was going to say it because you were doing the bracelets. I'm like, oh. I didn't make, like, specifically. Taylor Swift. We were just making bracelets, but she was, like, fairly uninterested in it in general.

Interesting. Yeah, she's more like, she's more of, like, a mental, she's very, like, I actually think your moon and your rising sign like kind of matter more than your sun sign a little bit. This is so L.A., I know. But I'm all about it. Yeah, okay, good. We do love. I just don't know much space.

No. You're safe to go all. You can do our numbers, whatever you need. So I think Lulu's got like Aquarius. She's much more like her moon and rising. And she, so she's very into like comic books and like, what's it called? Anime. And like she just asked me the other day, she was like, can we get a Dungeons and Dragons game going over here?

And I was like, whoa. I have like, no. Yeah. But we're really, really close because, you know, we're super close. We just like completely different things. She's a total. So I always wonder about the dungeons. Yeah.

How do you get there in life? Yeah. I thought it was, I mean, I was like, what do you mean the arcade game? And she was like, what? It's like a board game. And I was like, no. You have to come up with a character. It's serious.

You do? It's like a really involved long-term thing. Yes. It's like months and months. And you have like a table where it's all set up and everyone comes over and then, like, leaves and then you... But what's the point of the game? Like, what's the...

I don't know it. To play Dungeons and Dragons, isn't it? I think it's a quest, right? I can usually pick up on it if someone's a Dungeons and Dragon type of person. Really? Oh, you'll just call them out on it. I'm like, that person plays Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For sure. Like, Casper, who is just here. Oh, he's a D&D guy? Well, yeah. Do we know this? Yeah, because he's talking about his miniature. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he makes little miniatures and, like, paints them.

There you go. Yeah, like someone who's obsessed with, like, fan stuff, not fan stuff, but like merch of, you know what you think, merch. Like little figurines of like stuff they like. No, it's a vibe. And it's like they're into like. Settlers of Katana is saying we played up brown all the time where summer went, I know. Oh, no. I fucking love you.

I know. It's not the reason why I wanted to go there or anything. No, but hated it, by the way, left after a year. But people, they were like smart kids like that that would play. Settlers of Catan and whatever. I don't know how to...

I can't. I can't do it. I am kind of... I feel like we should all like just as like investigators or detectives. Like going to someone... Yeah, like journalists. Go into the gate and try to like... Understand it.

Yeah. But I feel like your house is right for it. Yeah. For sure. You know? I don't want a table of the stuff, though, really. No. It's like, constant.

Never, it never goes away. No, actually, there are places. There are places for it. Like, it's so, I feel so bad for Lou because I have, like, the jewelry studio thing. Henry has, like, a carpentry area. And, like, Lulu's like, I want to make slime. And me and Scooter, like, no. No.

She's like, I want to have dungeons. And we're like, you have to have it. I feel, I'm like, we have to give her something. Oh, yeah. It's like a permanent table for her. I was, anytime slime's rot up, I'm like, absolutely not. It's just a no. It is a no.

It's no. It's like what it is, it's just destroys someone's home. Yeah. And when you get it as birthday presents, you're like, why? I think it's a passive-aggressive move. I do too. I think someone actually secretly hates you. For real.

Right? Or like Plato. No one gets to the boys slime? I'm sure they do, but I don't, I think I'd like throw it away or something. Yeah, you might. Play-O. Play-Doh. Gateway drug.

Plato is a thing in my house. It's like a- Really? Oh, God. How old are your... Oh, I met your kids. You did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, they were the Christmas. I'm so sad. I missed that. Yeah. I know. I was the white elephant. I know. It was not there.

Five and eight. So the five-year-old is really into Plato because he builds things and like plays, fights it. And like my whole living room will be covered in Plato. Oh, no. I have an idea for you. Oh, let's hear it. And I saw this on TikTok. Oh, what?

Which I shamelessly watch at least three hours a day. So there's this Waldorf school teacher. Yeah. Who she kind of gives me like anxiety, but she also seems cool kind of. But anyways, she has, she orders this thing from, she orders beeswax from Europe that's basically like malleable. And like you can warm it up and make it into little. You've heard of that. I had it when Briar was little, but I think I never had the patience to get it going.

Oh, got it. Do you think that they would like, they would warm it up? Because it's apparently much less like. messy than blambley-o. Yeah, it doesn't crumble. It doesn't crumble. It's more like Wiki. Do you have no wiki sticks?

No. But he likes to crumble. That's his whole thing. Got it. Who, Shep? Yeah, he's a crumbler. Oh my God. Shep, he's so cute.

Oh, my God. He is the most beautiful child. He's cute. He's cute. He's so cute. Oh, Shep. Yeah, Wiki sticks, though. They're like wax sticks.

Okay. Yeah, exactly. That's probably it. You never had wiki sticks? No. Okay. But his whole thing is the crumbling. Okay.

So I'm just like, you know. Yeah. No, no, whatever. I mean, who gives a shit? At a certain point, it's like just get through the day. That's it. I don't care what you do. I let them draw on the false ones. Yeah, I was going to say, how do you deal with that? You can't say anything about this. Like, are you a rule enforcer? Yeah, like, what's your... I mean, I think, like, it's run the gamut. When I first, I think it's hard, I would say overall, the hard thing about it is that, like, when you first come into the fold, you just want to be, like,

so fun. And like, kids love me. And, like, I'm, I was a nanny. Like, I'm pretty, now I'm like, like, now actually being a parent, I'm like not as interested in playing with other people's kids. But what, yeah, exactly. But like before, that was kind of like my thing. And so it was really easy for me to like, just be really fun with them. And then, you know, it gets to the place where you're like, wait, like, I can't just be that. And so anyways, that transition has, like, totally happened with a lot of difficult parts in between. But the lucky thing is with them and like I think this is just the age I met them and everything. Like they're they've never been they've been like brats to me like the same as to the dead but they're they've never

done like the whole like you're not my nothing that's never happened. And I don't even think it would like enter their minds like they just don't feel that way. We don't have that relationship. Yeah. Which is so lucky. I can't imagine. imagine like meeting them older or what I you know brutal where they're like you're not my mom like my ego probably couldn't take that I don't think I would just it's just like it's just like it would be so like hurt by it so luckily although there's been a lot of hard things yeah but now I'm I discipline them just like I mean yeah like scoot has like no he's not good with like a routine or anything like that so like I'm I have like a whiteboard like putting it all in the wall I'm like

Yeah, like, I feel like I kind of run that kind of stuff. We basically have a same as like, I would, I don't know, because I've never been a biological mom, but I'm assuming it's similar in a lot of ways, yeah. Do you want to be a biological mom? Yeah. Yeah. We get what you're saying.

Yeah, we're very familiar. But it's hard, but it can be hard because you're just like, I shouldn't be. And like, you know what I mean? There is that certain sense sometimes of like, I have that feeling of, so it can be. hard. It's a lot to get through as a couple and as a, you know, but at the same time. And going into it so young, too.

Yeah, like when I was an idiot. I don't even, it's like 26. Like, can you imagine? No. That's young. No, you went and you had like instant family children. Which is actually harder in a sense than having your own because I mean, like what? Look at, they're not comparable, but there is something harder. Yeah. When you have to kind of of learn your boundaries and learn your place. Exactly. As opposed to when you have a kid, it's like you're going to do with that kid what you please.

Totally. And I think you're spot on when you say like learn your boundaries. Because I think I came in, I mean, 26. And also I didn't have good boundary. Like nobody around me had good boundaries. Like we're just, it's not, you know, I wasn't like, I didn't have much like learning in that sense. And then coming into the situation,

I was like, wanted to be with this person. And so I kind of like really didn't have any. So I think it's like learning. That has been the best thing I've learned. I'm so grateful. It was like a speed, sped up track of learning that shit. Right. Because it didn't come naturally to me.

And I think it would have taken me a lot longer had I not been faced with this like constant, like challenge to those parts. You know what I mean? So that was like really. I think, I mean, I'm so grateful. It's, yeah. It's difficult, but I'm not like, we're, we're for me. No. Obviously.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you want your own, like biological kids? I think I probably did more before. I don't know. Like, it's interesting. I was actually thinking about that this morning. I think there's a part of me that wants it like because I can see how like when

they are like look like you and they're like a part of you. And you know what I mean? Yeah. There's this sort of different connection. Although I do kind of feel like just by nature of the fact. that we've spent. It's an interesting, like, nature versus nurture conversation because they have so many mannerisms that are like, and Scoot's been working. So I spent like a lot of time with them just alone like for actually like weeks. You know what I mean? And so to me I'm like,

they're so, they're like equal parts he and he and I sort of in their vibe. And it's like so weird how they weren't. I mean, you know what I mean? Isn't that it's just crazy. And sometimes I'm like, we kind of look like. You know what I mean? Like, not. Not really, but it's just a fate. I don't know. No, we talk about that so much. All the time. Really?

Oh, yeah. It's a fascinating conversation. Like, one of the things my husband always says that I love is like, he always says genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger. And it's like, so your genetics are there, right? But it really depends what environment you put them in. And so if you put a human being when from zero to seven years old, they're under a state of hypnosis virtually.

There's no rational thinking until age seven. Right. Right. So they're being hypnotized. Right. Right. By you. Brain loss. I know. That's why I always say to this dude. I'm like, we can make them do whatever we want. I don't know if you get that. Yeah. So it's like obviously you're in them because you're in those most formative years where everything that they're processing, their whole entire filter is being established and you've been there the whole time.

Right. Right. No, totally. It's so true. It's banana. And it's like the way. And it's also like the physicat. Like Henry the other day was like, but bapadda-da-da-da-da-da. And it's like, I'm like, oh my God, you look exactly like when you're like just speaking with his hands. I mean, I know this is a not a visual medium podcasting. But like he was like he's speaking like a New Yorker.

Like it's not. Right. He's not look like where he's front. You know what I mean? It's just so funny because I was like, oh my God, Henry. And then he at one point he was like reading tarot. I was like, oh, Jesus. And like, it's just so funny.

But it's so true. It's so interesting. And did you guys have step or anything like in your family? Like, what, like, what was your young? My mom. We just talked about that the other day, too. We did? Oh, I'm worried about her.

I know. I'm the same way. Yeah. I started like this morning. I'm like, what if it's like early onset something? No, I don't think so. I don't need to go there. Could be childhood trauma, perhaps?

Trauma. Physical brain trauma when I was like 14. Yeah. Probably plays into it and a lot of weed in my youth. Oh, yeah. Step parents. Oh, yeah. My parents, thanks.

My parents divorced when I was like nine. Okay. And then my mom has been with my stepdad ever since I was 15. And that's a hard age to get a step. Oh, God. Yeah. That was rough. That was rough.

And I was rough at that age. Yeah. Well, no, but I mean, it's like, Oh, that's the thing. Like, you're like, I totally understand why you would hate me. You know what I mean? Yeah. That must have been hard.

It was. For 15. But for you, they were so young. So. No, that's why I mean I got so lucky. But do you, what about your stepdad now? You're not really like. No, I mean, he's.

He's there. He's a wonderful grandfather to my daughter. He is. Like, amazing, you know, and I'm so grateful for that. But I was at an age where you, it's harder to establish, like, a. parental relationship. No, you can't. You know what I mean?

Like, it's just not, it's a weird age for that. Totally, totally. Yeah, we're all close and have such a close family and he's just wonderful. He's wonderful. I love him so much. Yeah, my daughter.

Yeah, he's a very kind, like, we lucked out for sure. Isn't it crazy how, like, you have, when, because I didn't, obviously, I had Insta kids, kind of. I felt finally started to have, like, even an iota of empathy for, like, my parents when I got, like,

kids in my life. Like because before, you know, when you're young, you're just like, that you're blaming it. And then like when I'm doing it, I'm like, oh my God, wow, it's really hard. Have they embraced it? Like, are they grandparents? Yeah, they've, they have. Oh, yeah, good question. I know, it's crazy.

They, that's, they, so at first I think it was probably challenging for them. And I totally. Well, you were 26. I was 26. And he was 14 years older than me. And there was a lot going on. And like, but to Scoot's credit, like, the craziest thing. is is that like they just

really loved him. Like they just knew. And I think probably everyone knew more than I did even because I was also like, you know, had my own like 26 year old like stuff. So I think my dad, I remember my dad, I was like talking about a fight we were having or something. And he was like, I mean, just give him a break. I mean, just, you know, at least you know.

He was like, don't like. And I was like, whoa. I mean like, my dating with sco? Yeah. Yeah, like, he's not, he's not, he's, he's nice to everyone, but like, he wasn't, he's never, like, defended. Like, yeah. He was just kind of like, at least you know that it's always, like, with good intentions. And he really said that to me.

And I was like, oh, wow. So anyways, but understandably, the circumstances were fucking insane. Yeah. So they were, and then, and so the kids, it was also kind of hard. And I think the kids, for them, I didn't want them to feel any pressure to, like, connect or whatever. Yeah. But, and I think Lulu was a little bit like about my mom because she's just very, she's like a lot. She's really friendly and whatever.

And then, but like to their credit, they kept my parents just kept showing up and like then really kind of developed a good relationship with them. Yeah. And it's crazy. And we went back to my house for Thanksgiving, my parents' house. And it was like, really felt like normal. I mean, you know, it's always a little bit like whatever. But my dad took Lulu to like this haunted house thing. It was so cute.

Yeah. So yeah, she really, really loves my dad. And my mom, she's just like, I love you because you're there. You know what I mean? She just needs that consistency. But I think she really, like, they really connect. So, yeah. That's really sweet.

I know. It took a little while, but it was just like. I understand that. They have really showed up. That's amazing. That's nice. Yes. So what we're going to say?

No, I was going to say from a parental perspective, like you're there. daughter, you know, and you're 26 and you're bringing this whole new thing and you're dealing with all the shit that comes along with it and not they're dealing. Of course, from a parent's standpoint, they're like, wait, hold on. 100%. Yeah, a little bit like... And also not knowing

probably their boundaries and then you probably not know, like, it's tricky. It is. It is. Nothing if not tricky. Yeah, but they... I think they always, my mom always really wanted to have a relationship with them. I think they were a

little bit more resistant at first, like the kids. And then, yeah. So, I mean, does your brother have kids? My brother, he's older and he doesn't have kids. Like, he never wants to have kids. He's like, we're really, really close. But he is like, no. Like him and his girlfriend are like, we're never, I mean, really obsessive about it. Even though he would be like such a good dad and he's the cutest. But yeah, they, Lulu loves them because they are like really goth, like punk metal. Amazing. And so she's like, yeah. Like, they're anime. Exactly.

Yeah. I think all of our parents get to that age of, like, well, ours, our grandparents, but, like, there comes that time where they're just like, when are you popping them out? But it's nice that you just were like. Are you ready? Yeah. I was like, wait, what? I know.

Oh, my God. I listened to Cole Sparous's interview, and I'm like, he's cool. Sorry, Dylan. Well, they're twins. He's cool. Isn't he so cool? Oh, God. He was so cool.

I was like, wow, I love this guy. I know. That's what we were like, we love you. Which shouldn't be like surprising. No. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed it. Did you hear his story about when he met his wife? She sounds so cool.

Right? I would marry her. I love her. What was it the thing? Oh, I'm still waiting at the door. Yeah. I love her. Yeah, I was really like taken with his perspective and sort of like.

So grounded. Yeah, super grounded. But so are you and it's so interesting because that is, yeah. You grew up with very famous parents. And did they make a conscious effort to kind of keep you guys like, as, quote unquote, normal life, childhood? Yeah. Like, I think it was a real, like, so we grew up in New York, obviously. So I think that was also, I mean, you guys grew up in L.A.

Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, but not without parents in the business, right? Your parents weren't. My dad's family's in the business, but no, not actors. Behind the camera. Right, okay. Yeah.

Yeah, but, yeah. And so I don't know. I don't really understand the difference. One time I went to a high school party in L.A. And I was like, what the way? But it's not like New York is normal. I mean, it's like Manhattan. It was insane.

Like, it's like the devil I know, but it's just not about entertainment. You know what I mean? Right. That's not the thing everyone's kind of like going after. It's like money and investment and whatever. So I think that choice was big to raise us there for not like caring about the business as much. And then also they just, they, like, really hammered it into us of just, like, you, like, you know, just you're not, you don't get extra special treatment because of, like, they were really, really serious about that to the point where I'm, like, kind of like, okay, I think you had a little too hard. Yeah, like, take it down the amount.

A little bit, like, as an adult, I'm kind of processing that. But yeah, they were very intent on us not, like, you know, thinking that we got any, anything. But, I mean, but yeah. So a conscious effort and also didn't want us to be in the entertainment industry, really, or didn't push it on us. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So how did that come to be when you decided you wanted to be? They were like, great. But it was just like. We were older. I was old. I was 19 when I decided to do it, like, officially. But the messaging growing up was like, don't do this. It's so hard and it's like you're going to get so hurt and like blah, blah.

And so I think almost like I didn't want to do it to like please that in order to please them. Like, oh, I'm doing what you said not to do almost. Right. But I think and then deep, but deep down, I probably always wanted to like not. I didn't want to act when I was a kid. But like it was what gave me like joy. You know what I mean? Was that.

So, so yeah, like they were happy when I chose. And they were like, we didn't. really care that much about that. And I was like, what? Wait, I thought, like, but. I think they just really didn't want us to do it when we were kids, which I really appreciate because I'm sure, as you know, like, it's a lot. It's a lot. My parents were the same way, and they said, when you're done with school, which was high school.

Right. If you want to do it, fine. Right. Right. And so that's what I had a... So how old were you when you got, went on? Oh, see? Yeah. It was 21. 21. So I got like my first job at 19 or 20. Okay, got it. You know? Yeah. It was a similar to me. Yeah.

It was a similar thing. But I'm so grateful for it. Totally. Because you had like a life. Yeah, it was normal. Like, I did the whole thing. That you can remember. Yeah, like before. Yeah. Right.

I know. And my daughter now. I would have called it normal. No. No. I mean, I don't think. But that's why I said we're normal. I'm assuming.

Yeah, 100%. But yeah. And I always say my daughter, like, I can see her, like, wanting to perform. And I'm like, no. Dude, I won't let. I'm like, that's the one hill I will die on. See? So we're doing the same thing.

When we talk to Dylan. Yeah. I was always resentful at my parents for not letting me. really pushing me because I feel like I would have had a lot better chance. Wow. Interesting. And then, so that was like a resentment I had to work through. But then another thing is... Did you want to do it when you were...

Yeah, and we moved to L.A. from Santa Barbara for me to act. And they told you... What? That's the reason you moved to L.A.? Yes. Charles in charge, dude. That's why we moved to L.A. as kids. Lived in Santa Barbara. lived in Santa Barbara. We wanted to act. We started doing like, we had like a... Oh, we?

My sister and I. Okay, okay. Yeah, we did like... Yeah. And I met your brother. Oh, you did meet my brother. Yeah. You met David. Yeah. She sure did. Yeah. But then I couldn't keep up my grades or something, and so they pulled me out. Oh, man.

And so I was always resentful. Like, had you let me do it when I wanted to, I would have had a better chance at a career. I see what you mean. That and another thing is so here's here's something equally as hard, right? I look at my husband and I'm not going to speak for him, but I'm going to speak for him a little bit. He's a doctor, okay? And his struggle is he did the exact opposite. And now he's at a place in his life where he's still dealing with the same things we deal with as an artist or whatever, but he's stuck in that box. Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying?

So it's like... What is his dream? Sorry. I mean, his real dream. They'd probably be like a country star or something. Okay. Okay, yeah. I can see that.

I know. I know what you're saying. So it's like it's going to be, I think life's hard either way. Yeah. I think it's also really hard for people to have something inside that they go against. Yes. Yeah. To be normal.

And then it's hard. if you go for it too. It's just fucking hard. Yeah, I think the worst option, let's say they all sound hard and everything's hard, but would probably be like not doing what it is that you love because of a different path that was like set forth for you. Right. Which like I almost think, well, anyways, but I was going to, what I was going to say is that you,

I get what you're saying 100% because I think about that with people who go to acting like conservatory or college and I'm like so I haven't really studied I mean I like I have but in like classes you know what I mean yeah yeah and but I but they've spent like six years or something at school for it and I'm like you're not you don't have a job you're not gonna have a job soon like whereas I feel like that's like a jump start that you get on people that go to college for it you know what I'm saying like yeah right if someone went right you know like drama school I'm yeah so I guess not that it's bad or good and people, you know, have great.

But I get what you're saying of like, there's like that thing of like, if I had started earlier, if I had gotten onto. And I think the question would just be like, would you, I don't know, I get what you mean. Like if they didn't stop you from acting, you could have like gotten on a sitcom and been on it, like Jennifer Lawrence or something like that. I know what you're thinking when you look at me. You're thinking Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah.

I get it. I get it. Except you're prettier. But it's tricky with kids Because when a kid comes to you And they're like, oh, I know It's hard because you're like which way is the right? If she was like begging or he was like begging?

I mean, I think I would be able to. I told Scoot I was like, I know I can't put my foot down about a lot of things Even though I would like to. But this thing is like so important to me Because I don't know one child actor Except I guess for fucking Dylan Sprouse Who's not fucked up.

I know. We had a few others. We've had a few others that we've talked about. And they've been, like, pretty grounded. I'm going to have to. Well, Tiffany M. Bertheson was one, right? Well, I think you can learn a lot from it, like, even if it's hard. Yeah, it's tricky.

I think everyone's constantly learning. And you get older and there's therapy or whatever experiences you go through. Right. Totally, totally. Come through them. I guess it's how you take it. It's tricky. Did you guys see a honey boy?

No, what? What is it? Oh my God. Is that Shia LaBos? Shia's movie that he made that's like about his childhood and he plays his own father. I don't understand. Like, I feel like no one's seen it. When was this made?

I knew his dad. What? Whoa. Yeah. His dad's dope. He's such a good, he's such a talented person. It's crazy. But he made this movie, wrote it, directed it, and played his own dad.

And then this was recent? Years ago. Five. Five, gosh. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It was so good. And it was such like, it was kind of like close to home a little bit just because of like, I don't know, everything. And it was such a look into like that world. So anyways. Yeah, it's interesting. Watch. I want to say that. Yeah, it's really good. I loved it. Anyways, yeah, it's gnarly to be, I feel like to be a child actor. I can't even. I know. I know. I agree.

Yeah. But you're also not like a, it's different. There's like bad parents that are bad at it. And then you would be a parent that was good at it. You know what I'm saying? Right. I keep saying no, my kid keeps asking. He's only eight. You would be very thoughtful about it. That's the thing. So I don't know. I think that maybe be better.

I do say there's a lot to say for the upbringing and the, you know, parental influence or whoever it is. Right. You know, I do think that. Like the stage mom. Well, that's why, like, when Dylan was talking, you're right, though. It seemed like they had like the. Like a good parent.

It's because he had a good dad. Yeah. He had a good dad. And you only need one. Yeah. You only need one. And it wasn't a stage. Like he had his dad.

No, he was like, you're driving you guys to, you know. Totally. And I do think that that would change. Like my dad actually, for all the things that they were like, no, don't do it. He did. Then he was like, when I was 10, he's like, but I need you to be in this movie. Because I played my mom as a kid. Oh, you did?

Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God. It's so, it's a really good movie. It's really dark. It's called Lover Boy. But it's like a really tiny indie movie. Yeah. I feel like I've heard.

of it for me. Yeah. I mean, that would be crazy. You played your mom young. I played my mom young. And it was, it was cool. I was like, I don't want to do this, dad. Like, I've got a, like, I'm not. And he was like, please, he actually, and so, and of course I know that they're not like, and then I did another thing. So I think, and then I wasn't messed. I mean, it was two little things. But I think if you're, if you have your perspective on it, it's going to be way better. I think the difference, too, is when there's, I think that it gets toxic when the child. is the breadwinner of the family. I think that that's...

I think that that's when it really changes dynamics and all of a sudden they're the adult, not the child. Exactly. That doesn't... Okay, question, how would you feel if you were on set with your son? Right? Your son? Yeah. Okay, both boys.

And he was really, really tired and just, like, burnt out and just didn't... Like, he didn't want to work anymore, but he had to work for, like... three more hours. Like, how would you manage that? Well, don't they, like, you'll get candy at... No, I'm kidding. Exactly.

That's what I'm saying. But that's what it's like when I see these kids working, and I'm like, yeah. They're not, like, able to be... I don't know. How many hours do they work them? So they can eat?

What is it? Eight, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. See, I feel like I would only let my kid do it if it was, like, one of our productions or, like, someone that... Yes.

Like, that it was, like, a friend or someone you know. Yeah. Totally. Like if it was, yeah. Yeah. I'm always like jealous though, like on set. I'm always like, oh, you got to get them first and they get to get out of here and they'll

have eight hours. They're like, I want that deal. They're like the biggest like celebrities. You know what I mean? Like, oh, after your coverage, you're leaving? Yeah. Yeah. I know.

It gets so much tension. I know. We really have it backwards, I think. It's big, no, work just as a child. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

It's tricky for me. I think it's my own, like, filter. But, you know, maybe you could do like plays and stuff first. Yeah. Or like, like, like, programs. And they see that it's work. And like, it's time. And it's not just like this, you know, YouTube. Oh my God. Elliot's obsessed with YouTube.

They all are. Yeah. And it's like, how do they tell them to not do that? Do they play Roblox? Do they roadblocks? Yeah, they do. They wrote blocks. Yeah, they do. I just call it that because it's a thing. I know. They, we used to have like before very, very recently, pretty much like, unfettered access to screens. They were just like allowed to do.

Yeah. And then I, and we were kind of like, whatever we did. And then like, we realized like, it makes them fucking crazy. So, okay. I are now like, no, we just, like, we just didn't have it for a week. And we were like, ah, they engage. They, like, speak to you. You don't have to get them.

It's insane. I'm not, I'm not trying to be one of those people, but I just saw the difference. We just do it. We don't do anything. Any on the weekdays? That's good. iPad, you mean? iPad.

Yeah. Oh, they watch TV, though. No, yeah. Because I'm like, I don't feel like it's important. Yeah, it is different. So different. To have, like, timeout time for them. I was so, like, for so long, my daughter just got her iPad, like, on airplanes.

And I'm not like that. Like, we watch a ton of TV. And I'm, like, you know, we were kids. We watched it. It's fine. Yeah. It's not the same. Yeah.

And, like, now, because there other, I don't want her to feel left out. I know. Yeah, you want them to be. You know, if her friends want to play Roblox on the weekend, whatever, I'm like, of course. You know what I mean? It's like this. Or if she's sick. But it's like I realize one thing they cannot do it right when they get home from school.

No. We need like one hour of like co-regulation with an adult or themselves. It's just like no way. No. Because that was making life hell, literally. And then also they can't go to it when they're suffering, like when they're having a hard time. Right. Then it becomes, I'm like watching like literally like crackheads.

Yeah. It can escape to go to no joke. Like Henry would be like, well, I want my iPad. And I'm like, no, this is insane. You cannot be saying that's like you're reaching for the bottle. Like it's exactly what it is. It's psychotic. Yeah.

So, yeah, it's crazy. So I think it's very different than TV. TV I'm like, sure. Yeah, TV. It doesn't do that to them. No. Like my kids act like dicks. Like literal dicks.

when they have their iPad. Like they snap. And I thought you said have dicks. I was like, what do you mean? They act like, yeah, they act like dicks. Yes. Full stop. I know.

I'm like, oh, wow, you're a human being when we took them away. It was one day, scoo. It was like, and we're done with the iPads. And they were like, what? And he was like, we're done. No, I'm not telling you when you're getting them back. And they literally were like, I was like, you're a real person. Yeah.

Right. You see the light come back in their eyes. No, it's crazy. Yeah, no, it is crazy. It's so bad. But I wouldn't, like, Breyer's so, her schedule is so full with extra, like, every day. But is it? Like, I wonder.

Because, you know, then we'll randomly have a down day. It'll be a weekend, most likely, because every day after school. Right. And I'm like, oh, we actually, like. Can commute. Yeah. So she's eight. She's nine.

She's nine. Do you go, do you have to drive her a lot of places or is it all? Yeah. It's constant. But I, you know, I'm so happy that I can do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Totally.

And I haven't gone away to work since she was little where it didn't matter and she could come with me. Right, right, right, right, right. So that creates a whole other. That's awesome. Yeah. Did you do something different on your skin? Your skin looks, I mean, just, I got it. Both of your skin looks really nice.

There was, like, this highlighter, like, liquid thingy that I put just right here. Is that what you see? It just looks really pretty, no. Highlighter is so good. What? Sorry. I love highlighter. I've never used to highlight.

I mean, you can try. What is it? What is it? You have a Mary Poppins, I actually don't think I have my makeup bag. She's like, here's my cat. No, I like the, even though I know Haley Bieber is a, you know, some people love her. Some people, I like the makeup.

Oh, is it good? Yeah, because it's all Merritt. Road, right? Road is Selena Gomez's. Wait, no, I'm kidding. I love them both. Oh, I love them both. They're both great.

I mean, I don't love either. I actually don't give a shit about either of them. I just like their makeup. Their makeup. Rare. Rare is Saline. Because I just bought, like, I think it's from Selena that I really like. I think that's Haley and Beaver. Merit is like that natural makeup line. Is that not hers? I don't think it. You got the wrong. Yeah. You got the wrong side of it. Maybe she is. I don't know. No, I love Merit though. It's like, because it's all like paste. So it's not like, yeah, it just makes you look like. I know. Ilya too. Have you tried Ilya?

I have, but the, the like, foundation is too sticky for me. But everything else would probably. But she has, anyways, not she, Merritt has this stick that's highlighter. Yeah, yeah. Try it. It's so good. I don't know if I tried it, but it looks really pretty.

It's like a natural, it's good. Yeah. Okay. Sorry to sidetrack. No, sorry to everyone. I was like, yeah. I think I'm going to learn how to knit. You honestly should because, look,

I need to be doing something. You, like, can come over and I can craft you, and then you can decide which one you want. Oh, my God. Have you made anything yet, or is this your first thing? This is my first thing? I don't know what I think. Like, I think that's got to be like the sad rising, like, the obsessions.

Yeah. And then, but like, but I'll go, like, full on. You know what I mean? Are you, like, addicty? Yeah, probably. Okay. I mean, I mean, yeah. Got it.

I would say so, yeah. I mean, I think I used to, I never, like, went to program or anything. But I did stop drinking. No, but I did stop. Like, no, actually don't think so because I stopped drinking when I was 22. And I stopped doing all drugs and drinking because it had gotten like so bad. Oh, really? So I just made that like choice when I was 22, which is crazy.

And I didn't drink for like five years or do any drugs. And then I sort of like drank and didn't like it and didn't really like drugs. So it like it was okay. You know what I mean? When I started again, now I'm not like sober, but I never drink because I just don't like the way it feels. I love the way it, like, taste. But that's amazing. I'm fascinated by that.

I know, even though I would say I am addicty, so that's why I'm kind of, it's hard to explain. It's like, I don't, like, of course, I think everyone numbs to a certain degree with whatever it is, if it's like knitting or organizing or control or, you know what I mean? Sure. Cookies. Cookies, whatever, yeah, whatever it is. Then so, but I just don't think that drugs and alcohol, although I did a lot of it, it didn't like take me the way that it could have. That's amazing. That is amazing.

You got lucky. Yeah. Because that's not fun. But you do have that like more. Yes. Yes. Definitely. I mean, what I.

Yeah. I mean, when you said to whatever your rank. Oh, yeah. Shopping. That was my bad one for the past couple of years. That's why I started knitting because I was like, I need to make it, not buy it. Oh, my God. I need to knit.

You need to knit. I need to knit. Yes. You do that with the shopping. I do. And you said that you, like, it helps with being anxious. It definitely does. Like, it keeps your hands busy so you don't need to, like, reach for your numbing things.

You know what I mean? Right. Like, do I know? Yes. Yes. So are you guys are both. I'm 13 years sober. Okay, got it.

Are you in the program? I am. Okay. Yeah. But the thing is, is that I feel like not a lot of people talk about that constant need for something. And you hear it when you're like in a program for it because everyone in there is like, yeah, I constantly need something. You're like, yeah, I relate. But the world at large is too. Exactly. And I don't think you need to be like an addict of some drug to have that

desire to like raise. I mean, look at the world we're living in. It's like we all want to be feel better, you know? Right. Right. So yeah. And I think shopping is one that people don't talk about a lot. No. What is you do? Is it like bargain shopping? Yeah, what is it? This is like my real house.

I mean, let's see. Like it just was like I think that what it originally started as was like clothes. And like I think when I have, I'm like, I'm like the type of person that like when I have money, I'm like, I am super generous and I'm like I'm just going to spend it and give it and just, you know what I mean? And then it's like it does go away. So it's like you can't do that. You know what I mean? But I'm not like stingy about it like, which is definitely probably privy. but also just I want, I wish I could give everyone, like, everything.

So I started just being like, I have money. I can buy, like, nice stuff. And then I just felt like it became like a, I need that like dopamine hit of like ordering it and getting it. And it goes away. And it's like you order and get it. And then the feeling goes away. And I had a period where I was just like, it was Amazon like. Oh.

Mm-hmm. Like T-shirts. You know what I mean? It's like, oh my God. And now, and when I think about it, like, do you have a period? feel like if you shop a lot, do you feel like you wear like five things and you don't wear? A hundred percent. Like you can tell probably the five outfits or like the pants or whatever in it.

But it is. It's constant. Yeah. But it's anywhere in anything. Like CVS. I'm like, oh. See, exactly. You know?

I'm like, I can find something that I want here or need here. Oh, yeah. It's like at some and it's like you don't want or need any of it. And just. Yeah. So, yeah. She does it for me. Like she'll buy things for me.

Not that. That's not even what I'm talking about. But when I'm placing. this with you, you'll get a rush if I buy something. Like, I'll look for things for her. She'll be like, she'll be like, do you like that jacket? Do you need that jacket? Try it on.

And I'm like, I don't need the jacket. And I can tell she wants me to. Yeah. Like, you'll even buy it for her just to make sure someone got that hit today. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I think I have to be alone to really do damage. Me too. I'm the same way. I'm like, if I go in there, I'm first of all

power shop. Well, what's your moon and you're rising? I forget. I think I know I'm a double Virgo somewhere. Okay, got it. I'm a double Virgo. Yeah. Vergo and Pisces are our sister signs. Did you know that?

No way. Because they're opposite sides. So they like, I love, like, I love burgos. But you, um, I feel like I'm like a power shopper. Like I'll walk in like, I want that, I want that. But I have to be alone. It's like embarrassing if I'm not. I like.

I like it better alone. I do too. Yeah. I do. It's like you're doing something nasty and shameful. No one will judge you for like that other barefoot dreams blanket at like home goods or Dude, home goods and T.J. Max are my... This is...

You're speaking her love language. No, but seriously, like, I... Especially getting a house and stuff, like, Scoot was like, what is this? And he, like... He really, like... Because he's, like, his whole thing is, like, you get stuff. And then, like, I'm the one who has to deal with, like, the fact that we're getting rid of it, essentially. Right.

But I'm, like, we live in... And he's, like, we have furniture because, like, accumulated from, like, my house I own before. and then his, like, it's like we had a lot of furniture and he's like, we just have to wait. You know, he's just fucking responsible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Responsible and practical and just, you know, a solid adult.

Yeah. And so I just bring stuff and he'd be like, I'm the one that has to manage getting rid of this. So like, but I was like, I want to make this house feel like a home. Yeah. So it's like, I know you want a better version of that later, but I need a whatever version now.

Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like it does, I don't know. And I think both, Mine's probably worse, but both have value, I suppose. Yes. I think both have value. I do too. Yeah.

I think both have value. To me, it's all about how you feel. And it's like if it feels unsettled, you're not going to feel right in the home. And I think that not to be sexist, but I think guys can feel settled in a lot less settled of a home. Totally. They can just like tolerate it. Yeah. No, it's totally different.

This is the kids. Like, for them, I want, you know, things to feel. feel like normal. Yeah. And even though it's like we've moved like three times since we, you know what I mean? So sometimes a rug does that though. No, for sure. You know?

Sometimes that little canist, cue tip canister at home goods does that. Exactly. You know what I mean? Whereas like Scoots like, no, I want to get like the crystal one in three years when we have the money. And I'm like, no, I don't care. I don't give a fuck about the, you know, not like that specific. But he is like very specific about, you know.

So whereas I'm like, oh, have you guys been to the, though? This is okay. Shopping. St. Vincent DePaul. No. The thrift store. Yeah. No, where's that?

It's like, um. Goodwill. It's like, um. Yes. Yes. It's like goodwill, but. Oh, that's like my mom and stepdad are like master of thrifters and antiquesers.

They really are. They've taken me there like throughout the years and they always like to find the little. So do you like new things? I like a mixture. I like eclectic mixture. I have not had nightstand. But I do like...

Nice dance. Yeah, exactly. Sorry. From home goods? No. No, that's what I had. Do you know what I had as a nightstand? A $50 stool from home goods for the past seven years.

But the stools are not bad. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I mean, I'm not going to love a stool. I mean... You're like with all the, like, surfaces, like, what... I'm not going to buy nice versions of, like, everything. No, but also there's kids and, like, everything. My kids ruin everything.

My house is a very kid-friendly house. We don't have... No. No. I have like stains on the couch. Like you just can't. Like who gives a shit? It's like, why?

Exactly. I'm like, and nobody's going to know the difference. If you mix it well, then nobody knows. If you have like nice lamps and then like, one nice couch and one, like whatever. Like, I know. I'm with you. I agree.

We're the same. I learned a new acronym today. What is it? Because she's text, Scoot, before you got here. I was just like, what do you, what do you have? Is that why he told you about my knitting? He did tell us about the way. And your jewelry.

Oh my God. But he said. God, I didn't even know. we were going to talk about it. I brought it with you. I know. She went back to knit. Like an old lady.

It helps me focus more if I'm doing something like that. Yeah. Right? And listen. Yeah. He said you don't get embarrassed though. I mean, not really anymore. I don't think so.

Not as much as some. I'm trying to think about something that would embarrass me. Like if something horribly embarrassing happened, I think, yeah. Can we try? No. Yeah, let's try. What's the most embarrassing thing? No.

But he said G. But he said G. And I'm like, G. What is? G-pad. Oh, you don't even know what G-pad is? I didn't know what it was. It serves like an ex-like a soldier.

I'm certain he made it up and it's not a thing. Is it not because we're going to use it now? What is it? What does it mean? Greatest person of all time. That's so nice. How cute is that. He said that about himself or me.

He was like, good morning. It's me. G-pad. That's, I think he, oh, my God. First of all, I think that he meant goat. No, no. No, I know, but I think he thought that he was saying goat. No, wait, no, call him.

Call him and ask him. Because it's on the pot. Yeah, call him on the pot. There's my phone. In my massive bag. In your bottomless bag. Because he spelled it out what it means. Oh, no, I know.

I just think he like, hold on, wait. I hope he thought it was the goat. This would be amazing if he did. Hope. Oh, shit, I should. Wait, you're on the podcast. Wait, you're on the podcast. I just need to tell you before you say anything embarrassing.

That's a smear. JoJo, did you mean when you said G-Pat, which is honestly so cute, first of all, thank you for thinking that about me. Greatest person all the time. But who, have you heard that before? No, I just made it up. Oh, my God. That's so cute.

It's a thing. It's a thing. Okay, wow. That's awesome. I'm sorry. Why you're not at all? I just, not at all. You didn't do anything wrong.

How's the podcast going? Oh, it's so good. We love you and miss you. What's up, girls? Hi. What's up? We wish you were on the fourth mic. That'd be fun.

I know. We should come back. Yeah, come back with both of you. This is a massive podcast. This is going to get us a lot of attention. It is. No, it really is. Did y'all rehash any of the old times?

Are we keeping that secret? It's top secret. Tough secret stuff. No, we touched on it. We touched on it. Yeah, we've been talking about way more important things. Olivia. Okay, well, love you.

All right, G-pad. I'll talk you later. All right, G-Pat. Bye. That's so cute. He's like, I made it up. He was, like, really proud. I love it.

He's so cute. I love it. I think it's so funny. Like, we've known Scoot for, what, 20-something years. I know. To you, he must be, like, a kid. And then we came to a kid. At least 22 years.

At least 22 years. And then I, when I, when I, when I, met you. I was like, we reach out to you because we want you on the podcast. And we're saying this all in front of scoot. And someone was like, what about Scoot? And I'm like, don't care about you being on the podcast, G Pat. You're just, no, but I thought it was hilarious. I can't imagine him doing. But like, we want. Just as we were sending you saying it right now, I'm like, he doesn't seem like the podcast like tight though. No, he didn't, it didn't, it didn't feel like he's so private. He like doesn't, yeah, he like doesn't. No. But I feel like he needs.

two more because he's got such a fun personality. It would be fun to have him here because it's like us. He'll be comfortable. Yeah, for sure. But we could do it together. I think he would have occurred at me in the moment. Everyone's like, well, what about school? Oh, he would like never be offended by anything like that.

Of course. I thought it was cute. It's so funny. Yeah. He just, yeah, I should go soon. Yeah, yeah. All right, can we ask you a couple questions before you go? Go and then. We'll wrap it up.

This is just because it feels right. What can you say during sex that you can also say at the dinner table? Oh, God. Everything I'm thinking of is making me physically ill. That's what you can say. I don't, okay, wait. Pass the salt. I'm just kidding.

You guys are like, oh. No, honestly, I can't think of one thing. I like that. We'll just go with it. Because wouldn't it be so funny if you were having sex and you just randomly said that? And other person was like, what? I kind of feel like I just want you to just random.

Just say it. Could you just flip that? I don't even think it would be, like, it would just be like, okay, whatever. I don't know if she's saying something weird. I can't think anything on her? Yeah. Yeah. Everything else that would be on the nose is like,

I know. More place. Oh, yeah, that's fine. It's your last day on earth. What are you eating? Pizza or, like, definitely pizza of some sort. I really like ham and cheese croissants. Like, I know I'm not just saying that,

but I eat them every single day for like three years. Wow. And you got that today? I know. That's weird. That's weird. For three years, my, like, my brother would be like, another one. Wow.

Like, it's just, like, every single day I had to have one. So it's crazy that you bought one. That's weird. It's like my favorite taste. Because that hasn't, I've been here every day my whole life. Never, never once since she brought home a ham and cheese present. What? So it's not something that you provide.

No. Ever. That's never happened. So weird. That's honestly so crazy. Because like. And it's like a random thing. Like, it's not...

It is a random thing. And, like, that specific one, like, I'm weirded out. But that's wild. Because every day, it's like, anyways. This is the beginning of a beautiful... Okay. What would you do if you found a dead body in a hotel room? I would just, I would, like, first of all, I would freak out that, like, someone was

going to think it was me and then there would be, like, a podcast or a documentary about it. And I would get put in... I mean, isn't that, like, worst nightmare going... Yeah. then I would just like not touch it and not. First I would scream and then I would guess called the police. Yeah. Yeah.

That would be practical. We've heard some odd things. Yeah. I'm trying to think of it. Yeah, literally. Okay. What's the last thing you Googled? The podcast.

When I walked in, I opened up Safari to look up something else. And your guys' faces were on and I was like, that's embarrassing. I was just, it must have been that. But she did the thing like, oh my God, it looks like I'm Googling you guys, but I was just listening to the podcast. It's like, what sign is Rachel Wilson? Exactly. When's her birthday? Kind of embarrassing to admit that.

Let's see. Okay. Chipotle. Knitting patterns. ADT. Knitting patterns. Yes. This is all very.

Jewelry. Bear meat. Yeah. Oh, the tibia bone. Never mind. I don't know what that's about. I don't know what it is. Like a bone.

A certain bone. It's a bone. holding your body. Oh, like a tibia. Oh, a tibia. I don't know. I think it was for an audition. Okay.

So I was saying the word. It was like, yeah. What am I saying? Yeah. What's your biggest panty dropper? Oh. I know what it is. What?

A pillow in the doorway. It just gets me so wet. No, seriously. Honestly, that much like respect. I know. It's like being a genuinely like respectful kind person and trying to show it. But not in an obvious way. Yeah, it's a panty dropper.

It is. Genuine, I guess. Even if you're genuinely, like, nuts. It's like, yeah. Yeah. But at least you're you. Okay. If you had to, wait, did I just go?

I did. If you had to pick a song to play, every time you walked into a room, what would it be? Wait, that's hard. That's really hard. Because I really like all kinds of different music. But. But it's like, it's going to represent you. I know.

It's every time you walk in the room. It's just no pressure. It's literally every time. Every time you walk into a room. starts playing. Okay. Right. Absolutely. Easy peasy. I don't know. God, damn it. I'm trying to think, oh, maybe like an Indigo girl's song. Okay. Like, I went to the, I know that song is having a moment right now because of Barbie. I went to the doctor. Closer to fine. Closer I am to find. So that song is having a moment,

but I'm a stand for life of that song. So you were the, yeah. You're also having a moment. moment. So you just, you know, tell that to everyone else. You're stranded on an island with three people, Oprah, Amy Schumer and Channing Tatum. Okay. You can only save one. Where do these questions come from? Who do you save? Oprah, Amy Schumer. If you don't want to answer that one, it's such a hard one for a Pisces. Because I would be like, I'll say, I'll just die. So that one other, one work. can live. That's what I would do. That's your answer.

Yeah, that's my answer. But I don't know. I don't know. I mean, yeah. I don't love putting like hierarchy on like life like that. Yeah. I just went to who could I have sex with. Channing. Yeah. That's who I would choose to have sex with, obviously. That's why I keep in a love life. Oh my God. It's amazing.

All right. We did it. Thanks for having me. Gil. Oh, my God. Thank you so much. We're back. I feel like Rob was sad he wasn't at this one. Yeah, I like her. I knew it. We know the ones where Rob would actually want to try to show up.

Yeah. I was surprised you weren't here. I was like, this is one he may show up for. Yep. I was sad to miss it. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunate for you. She's fucking rad.

Yeah, I know. What do you like about her? I mean, I like her work. I don't know her personal. So I'm not saying that other than I like things that she's done. She's so good. Me too. She does cool work.

Yeah. She's very, very cool. She's cool. She is cool. She's cool. She does have a pretty cool dad. And mom. And mom.

Hello. I know. I'm just saying she's been role modeled. You know what's interesting? Both of her parents, like you think like, okay, obviously all the movies you could think of. that are your favorites of Kevin Bacons, whatever. And for me, well, actually, one case, tremors is probably my favorite.

But with Kira, singles in her scene with the hot dog. She's like, I'm never going to forget this hot dog. Do you not know? Singles? Singles, of course. I saw singles, but I can't. No. That's a movie for me that I, okay.

Anyways. Okay. Tremors, by the way. What did I do? just see Kevin. Oh, that movie. Did you watch that movie with, um, the one that was just on Netflix with the house and the Kevin Bacon was in it and, come on, Rob. It was so good. There's a house with Kevin Bacon. Come on. It just came out. It was Julia Roberts. Oh, is this the end of the world one? Yes. No, I didn't watch this. Oh, my God. I loved it. It was so good. You should watch

it. Okay. Okay. Question. Yeah. What do you think serendipities mean? Hmm. Do you think that they mean? It's my favorite movie! My favorite topic. Serendipity is my favorite movie. Do you think?

Do you think? Do you think? Like a Rob's face? No, well, I like to talk to someone that's a little more skeptical because I want to know what you think it means. I'm going to tell you a quick little story. I need a little more context. I was getting ready the other day doing laundry and I had a black sweater and I saw a red string on it, right? Yeah.

Okay. And so I took the string and I was like, this is supposed to mean something. Isn't that Sarah's thing? I don't remember what it was at all, but I don't have no idea. So I put the string down. I was like, that means something. I forget what it means. Done with it.

Nadine sends us a script. The title is The Red String. And I went, oh, that's fucking weird. Okay? Then I go down a rabbit hole on Google and start going, what is this red string theory? Like what does this mean? All these different theories, right?

And like one of them is that like you have this invisible red string attached to your pinkies connecting you to like your soulmate or someone you're supposed to experience something really profound with. Right. And that through whatever circumstances, you'll find that person. Okay. So I'm like, okay, that's one theory. Then they're like the red string is in Kabbala. It's in, you know, all these different cultures. And I was like, okay, so reading all about it, go to sleep, take the kids to school.

Drop the kids off at school. They have a lunar New Year's booth set up. And it says the red string. And I went, what in the actual heck is going on? So they're like, would you like a red string? You can write your wish on it and put it on the wish tree. And I was like, yes, Mrs. Adams. And so I did that, whatever, right?

The only mom I met at school, she walks up, she's like, hi, she has on a red string. I was like, what's with the red string? And she's like, you know, a client of mine got it from Israel for me, yada, yada, yada. I'm like, that's incredible, weird, synchronistic serendipity. This one that I'm wearing, it was really cute because then she sent her kids to Shepard's birthday, and she put this in there for me as a gift because I told her the whole story. Okay.

All that to say, what is it? Do you think it's... I have two answers for you. Okay, go. One, have you seen the Truman Show? Yeah. You're just like living in a world that this is all planned and calculated

and someone's written in the red string to fuck with you. Huh. Okay. Like we're actors. right now just You're doing good job acting like, I feel quiet again.

Cameras around and it's just yeah. It's a simulation. Yeah, it's writing. Someone wrote it. Okay. Or it's just frequency illusion. Meaning? Bader Meinhoff frequency and illusion like you say something and are conscious about it and you're

going to start seeing an example. Right, like a yellow van. Then all of a sudden you see yellow vans everywhere. Because you're aware of it. of them. There's not more yellow vans right now. It's just you're looking for yellow vans, so you're going to see them. Right. So do you, so you don't think it signifies in any way, like you're exactly where you're supposed to be in this moment? Or? I mean, the red string thing is cool, since culturally has significance beyond just like

a yellow van. I am all about signs. Yeah, I know you guys are. No, and like I fully believe it. Because I'm sorry. Like, here's an example. The rarest car you could ever think of, okay? It was like a 1980 geostorm convertible bright yellow, right? Like, literally.

Like, someone had brought this up as, like, a car they had. That day, I went driving, and what did I fucking see? So what's the sign there? Did you, like, track them down and you're supposed to marry the driver of that car? Then I followed the driver. She did. And now we're married. No, but it was weird.

Like, that's an example of something so rare that that's, like, kind of crazy that you would see something so specific that, like, you never see. Well, I don't, but I wouldn't say that you never see it. You just weren't aware of it. So he's saying it's just the frequency of thought. Right. Right. But then if it's a frequency of thought, then that's either. equally as empowering and amazing because it means, oh, I have that control then to call in more experiences that mirror my thoughts.

So if I change my thoughts to a frequency that matches the things I want, I will then experience more of those things. Sure, I'll let you stretch it to that. I agree. Okay. But you don't think there's any sort of like spiritual significance as far as like, if that were to happen to you, would you be like, wow, that's weird? Or would you be like, I know I'm supposed to be where I'm at because of these synchronicity? I wouldn't say that. I would think it's weird. And like, I'd land somewhere in the middle on that spectrum. I'm not phrasing it like on where I'm supposed to be, you know, like, this is my sign.

But I'll like take comfort of like, all right, that's a sign that I'm not on the wrong path. See, that's what I do because I was questioning, like, did I make the right move by moving my kids and, like, going to this new school and, like, being in this area and not knowing. But, yeah. I'll also try not to, I'm like, I'm not going to make a life decision based on, like, oh, there's some sign that feels like. No, I don't either. I'm going to look at, like, schools for Calvin to go to and someone mentions a old yellow car and I see, like. You're just... I'm saying, and I go to four schools,

and one of the schools happens to have that old yellow car sitting in the parking lot. Like, I'm not going to base my whole decision on that. But it might strike you. It might be like, oh, that's crazy. Like, I've heard about this car today, and there it is. That wouldn't make you feel like a little bit. Like, maybe this is the school he's supposed to go to.

I think about it, but I'm not going to wait that as, like, what's the rating of the school? and is it close to our house and all the other things that should also take weight. He's just going to be the yellow car in front. She's gone. Where'd she go? She's mad. I brought up her yellow car again.

No, I'm just annoyed because it's very specific. And you're not acknowledging that that is weird. Well, I'm saying I like when that stuff happens. And I think it's cool. Happens. But I'm not, I'm not putting too much weight on that. It's like, I'm going to change the course. I put everything on it all.

All my eggs is going out of basket now. That's a sign. That's why you have three of those sitting outside now. You've invested all your money and buying those cars. Yellow Cheo Storms. I don't think it sways my decisions. I think it just more confirms decisions that were already made that I take as little like,

okay, that's a nice, like, show from the universe that you're on the right path. Because everything is like... Yeah. I don't think there's anything wrong with that either. I'm not saying, like, if you find comfort in that, like you're stupid. That would be awesome if you did.

Just shame me if you find me. You're stupid. That's ridiculous. He went to the wrong school. Who likes soup. But yeah, I don't. Okay. I mean, we know.

We know like what his reaction is going to be. Yeah, no, but I'm curious. I feel like he was more in the middle than I expected. That's fair. You know? I'm just still mad at him than he wanted to acknowledge that car is so rare. I agree that, like, That is a crazy coincidence that happened, that you said it and then it showed up.

Yeah. But I don't like, do I think it was like your grandpa communicating you from the dead? I never said it was. I know. Well, there are some people that take it too far. Yeah. And that's the truth. When they're like, I sat down at this restaurant and they had forks.

It was so nuts. And I knew I had to leave my wife and go to. I was just thinking, yeah, I had to eat with a fork. Yeah. And then you're just like, no, settle down. and that's not a sign, that's a fork. Yeah, don't change your entire life over some forks that were at this diner. Right.

But if you see a yellow, geo, whatever, please do change your mind on everything. Yeah, everything. Everything. Do a complete 180 on everything in your life. Absolutely. To follow that yellow car. Okay. Another question.

Yeah. Someone else can take over. You can stop me. The coffee's kicking in. Do you think there's a way to click into that more? Do you think there's a way to accept it? experience more synchronicities in your life? I mean, I'm sure there is.

And just like being receptive to it, I'm sure we'll help encourage them or you'll just take notice of them if that's what you're opening your mind to do. Okay. Whereas like, it's us. Like, you're fully open to signs, so you're going to see more signs.

I'm fully closed off to them, so I'm not looking for them. I think there's a value of balance between... No, but this started... We talked about this before, and you would text us weird things that kept happening. Yeah, when we did, like, a serendipity list with each other. Yeah. And then he was like, you guys. Yeah, he's like, I'm driving a yellow van.

Yeah, you didn't remember? Yeah. I'm saying, if you're looking for them. You're closed off, Rob. I don't... I think he's pretending to be more closed off than he is. I think he's more open to it than... I'm not looking for it, is what I'm saying.

And I think if you're looking for it, you'll notice more signs. I don't feel like I'm looking for it. I think I notice it when it happens. You're open to it much more than I am. I'm not like, give me a sign, people, give me a sign. I'm like just doing my thing and then I'll be like, oh, that's weird. Right? Yeah.

Are you looking for signs? No. No. They just come to you. They just come to me. I'm not like, oh, I really hope I see this today. I don't think you're doing that. I just mean the fact that you're open to it

means that you're looking for signs for the universe throughout your day and life. Yeah. Not like, I need to see some red strings and like manifesting it in that sense. Right. Right. But you're open to seeing signs, so I think you're going to see signs.

I think hers, particularly that one, was like a neon light, like smacking her in the face. So I feel like I know. That was pretty intense, right? Yeah. Well, I think for me is that's still like so ambiguous. How so? Of just like a red string and what the meaning. I mean, that one's a little less.

But like the yellow car. That's more ambiguous. Yeah. Because it's more like what is the meaning? What meaning am I taking from this? Right. What value does this have other than like God's winking at me? Right.

Well, sometimes it is that. I like it when God wings at me. That makes me feel comfort. I'm like, oh, okay. I agree. And I think so, too. What is that? Oh. Where did that come from? Jana.

I made that for my first communion. Why is he here? Wait, on the back, it says Robert Holes 1.30. What is my last name? What's my last name? What if it was like, what if it was like 1933? It's spelled so weird. But how do you say it?

I don't know. Say it. Hollis. I won't ever say it. wrong. I know because I was just reading it. I know, I try not to say it. I try so hard not to say it.

Because of how it's spelled. Wait, what was the 130? What's the 130? It's probably January 30th. But it's one colon 30. Like 1.30. It's probably what. It's probably what time my communion was.

It's probably, yeah. There was probably like waves of kids. My parents moved out of their house and we're going through. They moved out. Yeah. Oh. My childhood house. Oh, when? Like a month or two ago.

And we're just finding that out now. I feel like I don't even know you. And she asked if I wanted that. Obviously. And I said no. But then I sent you guys a picture of it. And you were like, please get it so we can hang it up. We do want it.

Yeah, we do. They moved into another. They just wanted like a one-level house. because my dad going up and down the stairs has become too much. So they just wanted a one-level house and to be closer to my sister. Okay. I saw Jana, by the way. You did?

I sure did. Where? At Rob's house. When did you go to Rob's house? Well, I had to go. Rob made me go to a thing. Oh, when you went to the thing. That's right.

Yeah. How is that? Jana? Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. And then Rob sent us a video showing his mother, Saltburn.

Yeah, that was so disturbing. Like, why? Well, I mean, why not? Why? Why not? It was fun to watch her reacting to all of the scenes. I still haven't seen it, but... I just know the scene.

I just know the scene, too. There's multiple scenes, though. Like, there was, like, four or five moments in that movie that I was just, like, filming her. That doesn't make you uncomfortable to watch your mom be so turned on. She was not turned on. She was more disgusted by everything happening. Oh, my goodness. So I had to go.

We have fun. What? Oh. I wasn't talking about that. We had a blast. We played Simpsons arcade game. My arm was sore the next day. I don't know why.

I was going after it. It was like a stand-up arcade game. You know, you're like, do, do-ch-ch-d-d. Yeah. Anyways, I don't want to talk about that, mate. Where did you go? I had my grandmother's memorial. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, you guys, so her sister, who, you know, is still with us and her husband. And Leah came with me because she knew my grandma. And we're all sitting eating brunch. We're sitting there out of nowhere. My great aunt goes, I was kidnapped when I was seven. Oh. And then her husband, her husband right after goes,

so was I was this like an improv game that they decided to start playing I think did they just say what how old are they? They're old I don't know like you know 80s early 90s

oh that old okay and like what was she really kidnapped yes you didn't get his story she told her story

but here's the best part she tells her story she's like he took me up Laurel can't It was before there were houses there. I kicked his glasses in. Like, there was a whole story, right? And she's like, and then he brought me back down.

And she goes, the next day, my best schoolmate was kidnapped too. By the same man. Was she returned? She didn't get to that part of the story. So was there a reason she told this story? So here's, that's the thing. Not at all. Right.

We were just sitting there and out of nowhere. I was kidnapped when I was seven. So was I. That's the part. It's like, is that how they met and connected? Was it like, I was kidnapped at seven and he was like, what? Was he her best schoolmate? Like, how does this tie in together?

He's a husband later in life. Later in life. I wonder if that's what brought them together, though, is that bond that only those two people. That trauma bond. That trauma bond of being kidnapped at seven. I don't know. Can we call her? So this is her conversation.

There were many. Oh, there were? His conversation starter with me was, do you remember? We had a party years ago, and I walked up to you and I showed you this thing. And it was rat poison. And you said, that's what you're going to do,

that I apparently said this to him. That's what you're going to do. He now has created rat poison. Or rat, prevention things that don't harm the rats. And it's because of you. And he said it's because I told him this is what you're going to do. This is an example of taking a sign too seriously.

Rachel, I don't think you've ever once said to someone, that's what you're going to do. Maybe except for that one moment to that man and he made rat poison. I didn't know what Leah and I were looking at each other. What is happening? Are we in... And then, think you were your mom? Because I could hear her saying that. Oh.

I don't know. You know what I mean? Your mom. I could hear her being like, that's what you're going to do. At eight. Okay, so if you were sitting at a brunch... Yeah. And you had to say it was like a go-around-the-table conversation starter.

Yeah. What would yours? be hers is that she was kidnapped at seven. And his was, so was I. So was I. What would yours be? A conversation starter? Yeah.

This is going to take some thought. Yeah, that sounds like a nightmare. I would leave this party that's making people go around and start conversations like that. There's parties like this. I would probably tell like a really embarrassing story about myself. Like what? Tell a really embarrassing story about yourself, Rachel. Yeah.

Come on. What's your conversation starter? I think if it had to be tonight, it would be the red string. Okay. Because I'd be like, oh, that's one. I can just... Mine would be my aunt telling me she was kidnapped when she was seven. Perfect.

That's... See, that's really good. Yeah. Yeah. Rob. Oh, I have one for you. What? I just filmed my mom watching saltburn.

There you go. Yep, there you go. We gave it to you. There it is. There it is. There it is. There it is. That was in the other episode, too.

Yeah, that's fine. People watch more than one episode, I hope. I hope, too. Yeah, and if they don't get it, they'll be like, I need to go back and watch it because I don't get it. You know? Is that what our audience sounds like? All of them.

Are you guys ready for? Yes. Today's question. My idiot brother gave my daughter some potentially bad advice. but I'm not sure. His brother's 42, and he's 44, and his daughter is 15. Okay. For context.

My daughter got into some trouble. Nobody got hurt, but there were drugs involved and consequences. Probably lessons learned. After this, my brother, who has a good heart and always means well, but has been in some trouble himself, tried to help her and be there for his niece. He basically told her that he will always be there for her, and if she's ever in trouble, she can call him. and he won't tell her parents.

He also said it's okay to break the rules sometimes, and if she's not sure which rules are okay to break, she can call him to ask. And again, he won't tell her parents, which is the writer. I was alarmed by possibly being out of the loop here, especially when my brother was involved. Am I overreacting?

Is it actually safer for my daughter to have another adult to confide in? I've been in this situation. He's the funcle. You know? What? You've been in the... I've been in the situation when I was a nanny in the sense that I remember when the girls that I used to nanny, I was really close with, still I am close with, but I remember feeling like I didn't want them to not be honest with me.

And I didn't want them to think they'd get in trouble. And I remember one time, one of them, Willa, he called me because she was at party and she had drank too much and she needed to go home. And I was so happy that she called. I picked her and her friend up. They came, slept over. I didn't tell her parents, but what I did was I said that she had to. And so I think it is important for teenagers to feel like they can have someone to trust, that they're not going to get in trouble, that the person's not going to tell their parents,

but that the person then has enough boundaries to come to them and be like, but you are. And here's why. Right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's tricky. Yeah, you definitely want your kids to feel like they have a safe space so they can go and not just, yeah, not be able to do something if they're in a situation that they don't want to be in and not have an adult that they can turn to for help. But it does put the adults in a bad situation when they're saying, like, I'm not going to tell your parents. And then I think that there are certain boundaries where it's like, there's certain things you do have to tell someone's parents. Right, which I guess, though, in this situation, we don't know, like the brother, if it's something serious enough,

would probably go to him and tell him. But it's still probably okay for his daughter to think that she's got a safe space that isn't going to just turn into her getting in trouble. Right. For Breyer, like if your brother went, and told her that and was like, I'm not going to tell your mom, don't worry. I'd get pissed.

Would you be mad? But you would also find comfort that she has another person that will help protect her. Yeah. Well, like, my mom always created a space that I could just tell her, you know? Right.

That's kind of where I went to. Yeah. Was that hopefully you can build enough trust with your kids that it's not going to, like, immediately there's going to be a consequence if you fuck up. But it might not occur to them in the moment. Like in this situation that I had, like their parents were super understanding and cool and like really with it people.

Like they wouldn't have overreacted. It wouldn't have been. But I think like as a teenager, that's not who you want to go to because. Yeah. Well, you know. We also have a different perspective being the parents in the situation. Right. Like as a kid, I probably would have felt the same way that I couldn't have gone to my parents.

parents without getting in trouble. Right, right. Whether that's the case or not. Whether they thought they were parenting me in a way that I could, which is I would imagine how the three of us feel. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that our kids see it that way. Agreed.

Right. You'd be fine with your brother doing that? Or how would you feel? I don't know. I trust my brother so much that I'm kind of like, well. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'd be mad.

You're also a hard person to have this with, because you're mom was so open. Right. Yeah, so it's hard for me to relate. All right. So let's pivot to Olivia. Your brother has this conversation with Elliot. How do you feel? Pissed. I'd be mad. You wouldn't want Elliot going to your brother? No. Like, say there was a situation. I would not. What would you want Elliot? You would hope that he just comes to you and Jeff, but what if that's not an option? Then I would tell my brother he has to tell me whatever. Elliot told him. And break his trust with Elliot and prevent him from potentially coming to him next time.

Yeah. Can you be following that? I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I feel like I would be... It's different in my situation because my brother's made, and he's doing well now, but the choices he's made in his life have led to circumstances that are not safe. All right.

Let's change this then. Yeah. Rachel tells Elliot the same thing. If you need help, I won't tell your mom. You can come to me. I'd be fine with that. And would you be fine with her keeping something from you that happened? I would trust 100% that if it was something that put himself or someone else in danger that I needed to know,

that she would tell me or figure out a way to get me to know. Or make Elliott tell you. Or make Elliot tell me. Exactly. Yeah. So. It is a trust thing. It's like, well, depending on the first.

person, right? Well, you're kind of like, what are those persons choices like? And are they going to guide them to, and hopefully my brother will get to that place, but just as far as today goes, I'm like, yeah, yeah. We're really good at really deflecting a lot of these questions. It depends on the person. What does depend on? I know. I know. I'm just saying it's funny,

that's always our answer. That, like, there is circumstances where this would be appropriate and be fine and wouldn't be mad about, but then there's also circumstances. is where I'll be fucking pissed. And it depends on the parents. You know? Like I remember when I was in that situation, they were so grateful.

They were like, I just want you to know, like it means a world to us that our kids can count on you. And I think other parents would take it personally or make it about them or, you know. But I think even if you create a safe place,

Like, there was no rules in my house, zero. But I still didn't want to tell my mom, you know. Well, there's like shame and embarrassment and like that kids are dealing with how to, how to walk through life and experience those things. I also think there's something really fun when you're a teenager about getting away with things. Like, I remember when I was a kid, I used to like it when my mom got mad. He'd push her buttons a little bit. Like it made me feel like there was...

Like you were connecting with her or what are you? No, it made me feel like she was taking it seriously. Like, so I would like, because there was, you couldn't get her mad easily. So if I did something that was that egregious that made her mad, I was like, I got her. Finally, I'm feeling something. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I think it's too, like we both grow. with single moms and brothers. Right. Yeah. We're on to something here. Well. Well, guys. Oh.

I'd like to learn how to knit. I just wanted to say. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I needed to say that. Okay, thanks. That was a hate gum podcast.