Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Teresa Palmer and Sarah Wright Olsen Return on Sister Wives, Kid Slang, and their Cacao Ceremony

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Teresa Palmer and Sarah Wright Olsen return and discuss a wide array of topics from Cacao Ceremonies, sister wives, motherhood tips, dating and of course the latest in kid slang.  Check out Teresa and Sarah's podcast, The Mother Daze wherever you listen to your podcasts. Broad Ideas is sponsored by JLO Beauty, head over to jlobeauty.com/broadideas and get a special gift of four free masks for listeners of Broad Ideas! Broad Ideas is sponsored by Skims Fit Everybody collection, shop now at SKIMS.com.  After you place your order be sure to select "podcast" and be sure to select Broad Ideas in the dropdown menu that follows. Broad Ideas is sponsored by Blissy. Blissy is offering 60-nights risk-free PLUS an additional 30% off when you shop at Blissy.com/RACHEL See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Sarah and Teresa are back. Our girls are loves of our lives. Mother Day's podcast. Here we go. Let's do it. Let's get into it. We love you girls so much. So much as much.

brain. All these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside. To join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that are me. Because people die. I wanted to say one thing on what we were just talking about.

Because Olivia and I were having this conversation. And I was like, you know, when you. genuinely love people. Like, all I feel, and she feels the same exact way, is, like, support and championing. Like, both of you, like, you tell the stories and not an inkling of, like, envy or jealous. Like, whatever.

It's like, fuck yes. Yeah. You know? We would literally talk about this. We talked about that, too, on the drive. Are you serious? Yeah. No, but it's so true.

Like, you know, there's certain women and, like, you just champion. And there's nothing but. genuine, like, love and fucking excitement and support. And it's so cool to, like, have those people and keep finding those people. Not keep finding. It doesn't happen often. But, you know what I'm saying.

It doesn't happen often. You, these guys texted us yesterday. I know, it was Olivia. Olivia's like, Rachel and I were just saying that you guys feel like home. Oh, you did. I wasn't on that text. You weren't on that text because it was on the cookbook text. Yeah.

The cacao. Yeah. Cacao. Cicale. Coco. Cacao. It was on the chocolate milk text. I didn't make the cocoa.

I know. I know. We miss you. Cicco. Cicca. We miss you so much. It's definitely cacao. Very emotional.

Yeah. That's what she said, but I wanted to hear about it. We should. We should. We have, so my friend Amber Lestrange, who is this like remarkable kind of Australian Earth Mama, Hippie Fairy goddess lady. She's so cool. She's so cool with this like wild hair and just.

The best energy anyway. So it was her birthday a number of weeks ago. And then she was like, I'm actually just thinking of like getting a bunch of like-minded women together and we'll do this cacao ceremony. I want to invite you. And, you know, who else do you think could be a good fit for this? And so then we, obviously, she knows Sarah. And so Sarah was like, I'm in.

And then I was like, I have another person who I think would be amazing. And Rachel was unavailable. so she couldn't come. But Olivia is so, like, you're so open-minded and you're so, like, into, like, self-exploratory, like, just going deeper, right? So, and it takes a certain kind, I think, to feel really comfortable going into a space where you don't know anyone. Right.

You don't know what you're showing up to. And Olivia, like, full-body, yes, was just like, yep, I'm in. That sounds great. Like, let's do it. And it was magic, wasn't it? When we walked up, it was just beautiful. I didn't really know what to expect, you know. I thought maybe like it was going to be like tea ceremony, you know?

That's what I thought. Yeah. And so I thought like any tea ceremony I've been to like, it's lovely and you like sad intentions and you drink your tea and you're like, you know, feeling very happy vibes. This was way more intense. No. It wasn't that. Like this like Norse goddess was like. holding a big wooden bowl of cacao. And when she first was like rubbing her hands over it and

talking in this fairy, she looked like in like a little fairy. Yeah. Woodland fairy. Like an actual fairy. And she was like rubbing her hands. She was like on the whole headband and the hair like the flowing hair. And she was all this chocolate and she was like, you know, her cacao. And she was like holding it. And I was like, oh, she kept like putting it in this. I was like, God, that's a ton of cacao, you know. And then she kept putting in this thing. And then she kept putting in this thing. And she was just like talking to all of us as she was like making it. Yeah. And then I was like, okay, we're going to drink it and we're going to talk about her feelings or something, right?

And like, no. No. No. You like drank it. And then we did this breath work. And like, who knew breathing was so hard? Oh my gosh. So hard.

It was like, it was like belly heart and then exhale. And then I was like, great. Okay, I'm going to do that for a little one. I'm like, this is really difficult. And so then at some point I was like, I'm just going to like go through the motion. but I'm not going to keep committing to the breathing. And then she was like over us, you know, like flicking like incense at us or whatever. She was flicking.

It felt like oil. There was oil at some point. She was flicking something. Things were coming at us. Towards us. And then she was like, you know, she's so like calm and collected. And then at this moment she was like, keep going. No one's going to do it for you.

Keep breathing. Oh my gosh. She was like breathing boot camp. It actually was. It was emotional though. So emotional. Well, it was emotional for me after the release was happening. Yeah.

Like when I opened my eyes, finally, we were able to let go. And I was looking up at the trees. Like, tears were just pouring out of my eyes, but I wasn't like, it wasn't because of any one reason. It was just like sort of all these things sort of coming into my frame of like, like, you were saying like all your kids' faces were showing up. And that's what happened to me. It's like each kid's face, like winter was like this, you know. She that morning had sat down. She was playing.

and then I was sitting at the table to eat, and she got up from playing and came to sit to the table to eat. And she sat there and looked at me like this. And I was like, are you hungry? Do you want some of my food? And she goes, no, I just didn't want you to be alone while you were eating. And I was like, my God. What? Oh, my God.

And so that was the face that came up, you know? And then it was like, Esme and Wyatt. And I was just like overwhelmed with like. And then I felt her energy next to me and Olivia. and I, like, didn't want to interrupt what was happening for her, but I wanted to reach over and grab her leg because I was just feeling so much love for the two of them, like, laying there.

And I was just like, why am I getting this, like, overwhelming amount of love for them, you know? And you're just, like, through breath work. I mean, I'm not even sure that Cal did anything. Yes, I see. Darnat. But I think it was because she said that what it does is it increases blood flow. blood flow to your brain and to your heart. That mixed with the breathing, it was like you couldn't hold on to anything, especially when she was like let it go.

I mean, I could feel you. At one point, I opened my eyes and just looked at their faces. And I was like, oh, my God, I love them so much. Like, we're so blessed to have found our little. Talk about fairies. I felt so much love like I was on drugs. Same. Yeah.

It was nuts. It was a high. Yeah. It felt really high. And I could feel Olivia next to me. And I opened, I saw these tears like dropping down the sides of her. I cried the whole time. Almost the whole time.

And I could see the tears dropping down. And I like in my share, what was really beautiful is that the beginning of the ceremony, everyone shared about their intention, why they showed up today and why they said yes. and everyone had their reasons for coming. And then we shared again after the experience. And it was very emotional. I mean, I was every person shared. I was crying.

And a lot of people had been really navigating lots of things. And there was quite like the collective energy of motherhood or longing for motherhood. That was, there was a commonality there. and it felt really potent. And I was saying that, like, my experience was about, I kept having this vision of the infinity sign the whole time. I closed my eyes and it was just infinity. And then I guess my reflection is that that was about the collective energy of the group.

And I was sharing that. And we all, for some reason, were led to be there that day and to be amongst this energy. And it was deeply healing. And I did not know what to expect. I've never done anything like that. I've always been very open. I wanted to sit and do mushrooms and, you know,

microdosing, all the things that everyone's talking about. I've always wanted to. But this is my very first cacao ceremony. And it really blew me away. And one of the things that Sarah and I have been navigating recently is the dance between magical thinking and pragmatism and how, when I'm my highest, most vibrant self, and I'm just believing in the abundance and the expansiveness

of the universe and all these things. It feels, I feel so aligned spiritually. But then every day stresses of life come in and then the self-critical voice pops up and the self-doubt. And so, and then when certain things that you have these expectations of and, you know, the four agreements, like never have expectations, when those things don't come to life, Like, for instance, I've had a couple of job opportunities that have fallen by the wayside, which I really was manifesting and thought was meant to be for me. When those things haven't happened, I think there was a judgment on myself. Well, I think the attachment was too strong or the want was too strong, the need.

And so I keep, I'm this swinging pendulum between these two states of being. And for me, what was deeply healing was like closing my eyes, feeling the energy of everyone and being like, return back to the source, return back to the light and the magical thinking. It will lead you. And that was my big takeaway. I was like, all right, I'm returning back there without the overthought. I even noticed that like after, before we started when they did the first like intentions of everyone, you know, I would get like, would hear like,

cars outside and then the wind and the trees and I was like wow this is amazing and I was sort of like listening to everyone but also just taking everything in and then I noticed after everything when everyone was sharing I don't know that I've ever felt more calm present and open watching each person listening to what they have to say and I kept noticing it I would like go back to myself and be like wow you're so calm like you're so like you're like really taking in with saying like you know what I mean? This is like a funny thing where I was like wow I'm you're like I'm present I'm so present right now so you know really listening to this person I don't know it's just like such a funny I felt the same one of like it makes me want to cry again I know there was one point

I was crying and I could feel like it was that presence like I could feel the cold tears move into my hair and then the wind blew and I literally was like, thank you, wind. It was like that present where I was like, oh my God, like this is available by breath. Breathwork. By breathwork. And people swear by breathwork. Like they talk about the importance of it and I'm always like, yeah, great. I've done some of that.

Like before like a, you know, when you're like doing acting classes and you're doing breathwork. For sure. Not the same at all. I was like, wait, either I've never done it right or this is like a different version of what that is, you know? Yeah, but I think it's so funny that morning I was watching, I'm obsessed with Dr. Aman, you know, Dr. Aman. Yeah. And he's like, the one thing I prescribe is breathwork. And I swipe the video.

I was like, no, thanks. Not doing that, you know? And then that day. Wow. And then we had to. And then we had to. And I was like, oh, fuck, he's right, dude. Just to open those.

It scares me. There's so much holding on. I was thinking about you the whole time. I thought about you too. Because I was like, I wish you had been there. I really wish you had been there. And I think we need to do some sort of redo. Yeah.

My birthday's coming up. Maybe we should do it for my birthday. Oh, my last year. Wait, when's your birthday? Your birthday is too, right? Yeah. Mine's the 28th. When's yours?

Wait, yours? Wait, you're your sister. Oh my God, that's Elliot's birthday. That's great. That's right. You've got a birthday day. Yeah, and I'm the 14th so we could do something. I'll do it via Zoom.

I'll be doing my breath by Zoom. Teresa. I know. I'm sorry. Well, it's away. You are always away. No, we've been here and it's been so good. I have been so good.

It's been so good. This is the L.A. that I've always wanted it to be. I know. Like this experience recently, it's been. A lot of my friends disappeared when, like, when I first got to LA, I had the most amazing group of friends here. They didn't go missing. True crime.

I know. I was doing a joke all went missing. No, they all disappeared back to like Australia or other home countries. And so my friendship group really dissipated quite quickly. And then the last kind of, and then I was like, oh, well, I'm not going to be in L.A. long term anyway. So it's fine. and I can just have like one or two friends here.

That's fine. But then it's like the universe has brought me all these magical people in the last two years. And I'm like, this, I've had the best, most like healing, beautiful home, sacred experience in the last three months. And then also the last two times I was in L.A. I had the same feeling about L.A. It's like, oh. It can be really magical. Well, I think it says something about your, I do believe your.

external experiences reflective of your internal experience. And so I wonder, is there a place you came home to that you carry now with you, that you hadn't yet come to? Yeah. I think I was in a real, so I was in a really unsettled place about and having judgments of L.A. And I wonder if, because a lot of it was around, I just want to go back to Australia. I want to, like my swinging pendulum again of just like, I want the simple life. Like, a hundred children, barefoot and pregnant, living off the land.

Like, yeah. I want that life. And I just want to do school drop-offs and pickups and, you know. And then it's like I have this whole other side of my life, which is career and, you know, chasing these opportunities or being present for these opportunities. And so I've been in this place of like, oh, what do I want? Push-pull. And now, and we had a great conversation about this in the car, Olivia, you and I, about, I think there was a protective element of myself that was like, well, I don't even really want it anyway, like, whatever about my career. Like, I really just want to be a mum.

But that's not the truth. Right. The truth is my authentic self, like, I love it. I love being on set. We all know, like the feeling of being in a character and a character. exploring. It's like so creatively stimulating. So I had this breakthrough with my American management team and my agents where I felt like I, my work in Australia was was not valued. And there was some judgments about me returning back home and working. And I had this wonderful.

and Sarah had been like my therapist throughout this over the last 18 months. Like you just have to communicate these thoughts. You just have to go to your team. But I think when you're in our position, sometimes we put them on a pedestal. Right. For sure. They're the access to the big good, exciting opportunities.

Right, right, right, right, right. That I was still in this dynamic of like young little Teresa. Like, I'm... I need you. I need you. I need you to love me and think. think I'm great. And then I just decided one day like, enough's enough. I'm just going to like pull my heart out and say, this is what works for me. I really need a glass half full mentality.

To help. Not glass half empty. I need like, yes, and positivity, let's go. She literally said that. I literally said it. Yeah, as you should. You did. Good for you. I have like a verbal diarrhea, not in the most articulate way. I will say, but it wasn't like super eloquent. Like I was like, like crying. She's like, yeah, and I was like, I feel successful. I have four children. I have this and I have that. But every time I get off the phone to you guys, I have such like a self-worth.

Like, I'm lacking in self-worth. Oh, my God. This is the only aspect of my life that I feel like this. And then Mark and I would be jumping in to be like, no, they don't get to make you feel this way. Right. Look at all the things that you're doing and I've done. And like, look at what is like, like been laid out in front of you because you did that work.

You know. Yeah. You were my champions. You're not valuing you for like everything that you've done. They're like outside of the career. Outside of everything. I have a, I. Even your career is amazing.

That's the thing. It's like you can keep pushing to go, well, we want to go here. We want to go here. We want to go here. Great. Like we can do that. Right. Which is awesome.

Yeah. Also champion someone on that journey. A hundred percent. And I think some of my LA feelings were wrapped up in the driving around and they're like, oh, industry town and the broken dreams of all these thousands and thousands of people who come to the city and want to become something. And then you just feel the energy of the people who are like, really want this dream. And they're in Hollywood and you drive down the hill from these beautiful mansions into like a homeless camp where people are struggling and suffering and I was just like, it was this energetic thing that I was like, oh, I don't, I labeled

LA as something that felt dirty and ugly. And I have reframed my relationship with it since I had this breakthrough with my team. Absolutely incredible. Which has been amazing and all my friendships have really deepened and I've met you guys and I met a couple of other, like a handful of other people who just bring so much joy and that real connection that I think we all are looking for that deep friendship that you can say anything, be yourself in all the ways without fear of being judged. And anyway, so it's been a really remarkable time for me. Support comes from J-Lo Beauty.

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After you place your order, be sure to let them know I sent you. Select podcast in the survey and be sure to select my show in the drop-down menu that follows. It's so funny talking about LA because I'm stuck in this mindset. I from here, grew up here, and I find myself having such an reversion to L.A. And everyone's leaving. and they're moving to farms and they have land and that, you know, and I'm like, I want that. You know, like, I need a farm.

Oh, I definitely need a farm. Right. And a mini cow. We need to be in the commune. 100%. I want a commune. I want a commune 100%. Like that needs to happen.

But I have such an aversion to it and I'm fighting with it a lot. And it's interesting to hear you have like reframed it and, you know, you're looking at it a different way and you've had these experiences and I'm kind of stuck. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. You're feeling it too a little bit. I feel. I feel it too. It's interesting, though, because when I moved away to a small town and it was like really quiet and small, and I would just meet people that they were just there. They didn't. They weren't wanting for anything else. They weren't trying to. They were like, I am Barb and I run the grocery store. And I am here, you know? And I remember craving a bit of what L.A. had. And I came back to visit you.

and I got in an Uber and the guy was like, I made a demo and I did this and that, like about his music and he was an Uber driver. And I went, you know what? I judged L.A. for so long. But you know what it is? It is a town of courage. Because think about it.

People leave everything they know to come to this place, to chase a dream, to make something happen. So there are billions of broken dreams that have happened here. But behind each one of those, there's also like a tremendous amount of courage. Yeah.

That they've even put themselves here. Yeah. And so it did make me go, but that's kind of fucking cool that my Uber driver made a demo tape. Do you know what I mean? That is the third Uber driver I've heard of. That's what?

Because I had one with a demo tape. With his, I swear to God, with his music, I filmed it. I was like, me in the car, like me and Bodey dancing to a. Of course you did. And Bodey was like, that is amazing. Could we hear more? Like Boney was so sweet.

He was like, I really love the beat in this one and the lyrics. And then my steps on like a week ago was like, oh my God, I was in our Uber car. And it turned into EDM and he played us his demo. And he had all these red lights going on in the car and blue lights. And him and his little teenage friends were like dancing to EDM in the Uber driver's car. I was like, is this a thing? It's like a good. He's the same guy and he gets around.

Yeah. Good for all of them. That's how I felt. I was like, you know what? You did it. You're right. That's a great. That's a great where you frame too, by the way, is that it's a town of courage.

Yeah. You know, you think about like when you first came here and how your outlook, I mean, you were already here. But like the first time that you were auditioning or the first time that you were stepping into and you kind of don't really know what you're stepping into. So you're not as scared, right? You're more just like excited. Yeah, she's just going to try it, you know? And then it gets scarier like as you realize how many people are going out for the same thing as you and how like it's really hard to get a job. And then also you realize like how sometimes you get a job. And then that job ends really fast. And it doesn't have anything to do with you. And you're just like, wow, this is a very like up

and down road, right? And so, like, my first audition, I remember thinking, like, oh, this is so great. And, yeah, sure, I'll try that. I'll do this, you know, whatever. And I walked out, and I was just, like, waiting outside. And then they, like, came out and they were like, we're giving you the job. And I was like, really? Yeah. That's the way it used to be, by the way. I was like, wow. I did this test that I was like. And they had, like, flown me to this test. And I was like, wow, you know. And then I was like, this is amazing. And I remember like the next time I tested, I expected them all just to come out and like tell me I got the job and no one did. You're like, whiting out of the front like, I was like, oh, okay.

No, nobody? Okay, all right. Sure, should I? Hi. Hi. Oh, my. Oh. Did you eat your food?

Hi. We have, oh, okay. All right. You can be here if we'd be nice and quiet. Can we be very quiet? Okay. So I don't have any child care today. So we had a little bit of us.

If you guys like, you know, follow along with our show, you know that this happens a lot. Yeah. When we record. I wish. I miss it. I miss it. We thought Rachel's little penguin toy. Like that was obsessed.

They definitely keep them entertained. They remember. They remembered the penguin. I know. The penguin. I know. I miss that. I'm like, where's my, I want my baby on the boom right now.

She's three. and still on the poop. That's what that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing, which is a common thing.

And I think us all connecting and finding each other is like the mother role that we all put, where we put it and how we are with it. Yeah. Because it's like there's different, and we talk about that a lot too. Or if you make new friends or whatever that,

it's that common. What's the word? Thread? Bread. Yeah. Red thread. Yeah. Is it a red thread?

Is it a red bread? Yeah. That binds us. Yeah. I know. I know. Oh. Oh.

Oh, she came in here. Do you want to come? We're doing our recording. Can you take Miss Prairie back out? All right. She's ready to come down. Is there anything you want to share? Yeah.

Do you want to say anything? Would you like to say anything? She has something to say, Perry? Do you want to say anything, Prairie? You can say something in the microphone? Do you want to say something, Paul? Do you want to say something? No.

Okay. Just give you an opportunity. Now, I'm the auntie, apparently. So this is the mom and I'm auntie. Oh, yeah, I was going to ask. Do you want to get your baby? Yeah. Should you guys go have some more snacks or maybe watch the king.

When? Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, your baby wants you. She's ready for you. Put your hands out. Does the baby and I have kind of the same dress on today? Very similar. Oh, you take her and show her.

All right. Bye, guys. We love you. Bye. Have fun. You're hungry. Oh, yeah, but your snacks are there. You can have some of mine too. And you can have some of mine. Go for it. I love you girls. I'll see you in a minute. Go take it in that back. Okay, bye. You're such a good mom. What a good mommy. Is that your only baby? She's really good. And she's got baby. Baby smells like a brownie. So she's named it brownie. Oh. Did you see her? No, did. Yeah. That baby's a strong baby. Baby Emily. Okay. All right.

Bye girls. Oh my good. Shut the door behind. Thank you. Okay. She pretty. That was hilarious. Oh my gosh.

Anyway. Sorry. Interruption. And we were talking about motherhood. Yeah. No. I mean, yeah, exactly. It was perfect timing.

Dude, motherhood. Motherhood. Motherhood. It's a lot. Has it been. And it has been for you, right? In general. Yeah.

In life. My husband is turning 10. I know. The end of October. It's a decade. That's crazy, right? It's a big moment. 10 was hard.

It was hard. Was it? It's like so sad. It was just emotional. It was sad. It's both things, isn't it? It's bittersweet because it's like, wow, they're growing up and these incredible independent kids, but also like, you were a baby yesterday.

How did this happen? Yeah. It's definitely a lot of that. She started a new school this year. And I had so much anxiety about it because it was my decision thinking it was like the move, right? And you never know if you're doing the right thing or making the right decision. She is so happy. And it just like reaffirmed what I knew deep down.

And I'm so. Like she didn't want to miss school. She was so excited. She's made all these wonderful friends. Really? Yes. It was a big thing. Sarah and I talk about friendships and our kids' friendships.

Oh, tell me. All the time. Yeah. And it's both things. It's like I just want them to spread their wings and make these incredible connections. I'm also nervous that like, because I always compare it to my experience at school. Great. And I made friends with girls that were not probably.

Right. Definitely not the types of friends that I would be friends with now. Right, right. And I did a lot of shape-shifting as a teenager, like from 14 to 16, like trying to fit into the cool group and stuff. I was so like malleable. And, you know, I've seen it in my family. I've seen it with my stepbrothers. It's very easy to fall into a friendship group that's like not going to have the best intentions.

So I'm afraid of it as well. And I keep hearing stories of like, oh, my daughter became friends with the girl. And then now there's all this bullying going on. Right. They're acting out. And it's, you sort of just have to let go, don't you? And just trust that they'll return back to themselves. But it's also cool because if they're going through it,

and you're seeing it through your eyes, and you can help them navigate it because you've experienced it or whatever it is. We're giving our kids these tools a lot younger than at least I know I was to recognize it and stuff because it does happen. And it's so hard to not, like, it's already even happened with my daughter where there's like a toxic situation

or friendship or whatever. And you have to learn how to navigate it and help them recognize it. But it's so important. and my mom taught me this is like when you're talking about it, that it's talking about behavior and not the person. Yeah. That's right. That's a good note.

That's a really good note. I have to take that note big time. Yeah. Because we've had some, there's been some behavior, but it's really hard not to be like, that kid's stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, at the same time, I'm always like, you know, that it's that I always kind of go back to, I feel like that child is having a really hard time. That's what we always talk about.

was really dealing with. Right. Even at your age, like even at this age, like there's something they're battling because otherwise, like, why would they be acting this? Right. And it was like Breyer actually said to me, she went to a camp this summer. Like new kids she didn't know and she told me a story. And I was like, oh, that's not, you know, really kind behavior.

And she's like, Mom, maybe she was just having a bad day. Yeah. Ooh. I love that. Yeah. You. Good. I was like, oh, wow. You get it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. These kids, I just think there's like such an awareness. And I think because also as parents were responsible to teach them that. But yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to see your kids going through. I know.

It's stuff that we like went through. Yeah. That I just had a wellness visit with Wyatt. Yeah. And it was so, well, it's actually with all three of my kids. But the doctor, I was like so impressed with her. Did I tell you this? No.

No? I was so impressed with her, but she was, like, talking with each one of them. We were talking about our bodies and, like, you know, our, like, private parts, your bathing suit parts and how, like, you know, no one can, like, touch her look at your bathing soup parts. She's having this conversation, which was amazing. And I was like, great, because I have this conversation with them, too. She asks Esme about her. She's like, okay, so what do you, what's the name? I'm curious, like, what's the name you guys use for your private part, you know?

And Esme was like, well, the inside is your vagina. And the outside is the vulva. Mama forward again. And I'm like, your vulva. And the doctor was like, hello. Yeah. Like anatomy. And I was like, well, because I'm trying to teach her like all the day, you know,

because she asked me about different things. But it was cool. And this is the part of them getting bigger. Yeah. Is that she was like, Asmay, you know, you can listen in on this. But you don't have to worry about this for a few more years. But we're going to talk about puberty. Mm-hmm.

Why? And I was like, oh, my God. I don't know. I'm having this conversation. And it was so. amazing. The way she spoke about it was so awesome. Yes. And she was just like, you know, all these things are going to happen. She was like kind of going through some of them. And she was like, you know, and kids are going to grow and they're going to get really tall. And she's like, and the girls are

going to grow first. And then the boys are going to grow. She's like, but here's the number one thing I want you to think about. It's so important that you never compare your puberty to anyone else's. Puberty is your own journey. And we all go through it. Everyone that's breathing has this experience, right? And so anyway, just like I was listening and watching her in awe because I definitely never had that conversation with a doctor. No. And as our kids get older, we really get to like tackle all of these things that have been comfortable for us. I mean, I went to see like a country doctor who went to press on my tummy and I smacked his hand away. My dad was so embarrassed, you know. Oh, my God. And then.

But that's actually good. No, that's more like my body. Like, oh, you know. My dad touched me. Does it burn when you pee? And my dad goes, no. And I was like, yeah, it does. And he asks me, not you.

Oh, my gosh. But like, it's, I don't know. It's just like that age is, it makes, it like made me really emotional. Yeah. Like 10, 11. Like they're getting bigger. Broad Ideas is supported by Blissy. I have been sleeping.

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When did you get your period? I was 11. I was 11. I was 11. I was 13. I was based on when your mom had it. Yeah. I was 13. You were 13. I have a friend who's door. has it got it at nine. They say they're getting it younger now. And then I wonder is it the food or like the, you know, don't they say it's like, I believe that. They say they're getting it younger. I don't know if it's true. I tried to have a sit down.

Did I tell you about the book? What is it called? Like everything's amazing or something like that. And it's like a book that teaches kids about sex. Oh. I forget what it's called. Something like that. Okay, we need to figure that out.

My friend, Nicole, she was like, get this book. It goes through what eggs are. sperm is, what this is, whatever. So, Elliot kept asking about sex. So I was like, here, I got this book. What do you mean you kept asking about sex? What is sex? Oh.

Yeah. Wow. You drunk it, baby. Do you want mine? No. Have this one. Want it? It's the same one.

Oh. Why don't you guys? Auntie Sarah. I take it. You take this and you go, I don't have someone to do. It'd be so good. Do you know where the dolls are? Where the dolls are?

The dolls. The dolls are. Mommy's on camera filming right now. Okay. Every time you come in, it gets interrupted. Can I have your eyes? I love you. Okay.

Will you be out there and keep Prairie out there, okay? Without coming back in. Okay, love you. I have your eyes. Oh, God, I know. The accent? No, you're just saying, can I have your eyes? Okay.

So she would look at you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Rye, Rye Parenting. Yeah, we, I got that from that. Thank God I was friends with her when my kids were little because I got that from them. Yeah, it was from Rye, Rye parenting. I knew. Frankie and Mark practice Rye parenting.

Really? Like, with Isaac as a little guy. So then when I met him at four, they were so heavenly, heavenly. Oh my God, they were so heavily in the Rye movement. He went to a Rye preschool, all the language was right. I'm not offering that. I'm coming closer. I'm going to hold you.

I see that you're feeling this way. It seems like these are your feelings. And instead of saying things like, good job after they do something, being like, did you have fun? Was that fun? I see all the colors in the picture. You know, it's specific. The language is very specific.

talking about like I'm 10 years in. I'm like, well, I'm going to be... No, I do try. And like, there's an, you know, aware of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Eric does that with me too. He'll be like, I need your eyes. Oh my God, hilarious. It's kind of a joke. But like, as a way for us to go like, oh, right. Check in. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to start doing that. It's great. Too late. Yeah. Never too late. Need her eyes. I need your eyes. Yeah. It's so hard to get them to, I mean, I don't know about your kids.

Yeah. Because anytime I ask something, I have to say it. times before I get any kind of response. Well, also you, you like hear, you know, there's a lot about like how we, if you notice, like, when you're yelling something out, right, as a parent, and you're like, you know, did you do whatever, you're supposed to do, right? You're like yelling something out to them. Did you hear me? You know, and they're sort of responding. They're not really responding, not really doing it. It's like, it's that thing when we get like really, really focused on something and then we're not going to pay attention. We get triggered.

We get more mad because they're not listening. But if you actually gone to them and sat down and be like, hey, so just wanted to make sure that you finished your homework before you're so right. You're so right. Then they're literally right here. And then now I actually haven't finished it yet. Okay, great. Finish it and then we'll move on.

We're so right. But if we had been like yelling it out and then we get mad and then it's like voices heightened and then we're triggered and like all of that. really like coming and connecting first helps so much. It really does. Yeah, that's why I'm always like, can I have your eyes? Can have your eyes? Did you hear that?

That's what I commented on. Yeah. What? Can I have your eyes? And then Poet looked at her and then she was like, I look like she connected. Oh, I love that. I know. Can I have your eyes?

It was like a check in. Are you with me? Yeah. And also like if they're distracted or thinking of something, it helps them. Yeah. I said we got it from Rye, Rye Parenting. Oh, yeah. which is what Mark and Frankie practice with Isaac when I met Isaac.

And so I came in with all this language I had to learn. Like, I'm not offering that. I see you're upset. Oh, yeah. I'm coming closer. Like when they have a tantrum, I'm coming closer. I'm going to hold your body until you calm down. Yeah.

I'm laughing thinking of doing that with Elliot. I literally just spit. Because I think, too, like Elliot, like I said, we picked up the book and he's like, Mom, get to the point. What is sex? No. And I said, well, here I'm going to go through this book with you. I'm really going to.

I said, we're going to talk about the eggs and a woman. He goes, are you a reptile? Do you have eggs? Are you a reptile? What is going on here? And I was like, mammal. But he's like, I just want to know what sex is. I don't want the whole book.

Okay. And I was like, So the Willie goes in the vagina. Exactly. So you said. The penis goes in the vagina and then... Yeah. And I was like the sperm implants the egg.

You know, it's like he doesn't want... He just wants to know the fact. He just wants to know the facts. And if I try to... Sugar cart of flour... If I try to mold any sort of even emotion with it, like, look, we're really going to talk about what that feels like or any of that. He's like, I don't need to.

I want to know what the facts are. Yeah. Bodey's like that too. Is he really? Yeah. And Sarah and I are both in the trying to conceive face of our lives right now. And this is my first month, like trying to conceive naturally with Mark. Yeah.

So I'm peeing on this thing that Sarah introduced me to called the mirror fertility stick. Yeah. And so oftentimes I'm doing it right as like I'm with the kids. And yeah. So they see me doing it. And everyone knows like, oh, is this to get the baby? is this? And I was like, oh yeah, this helps give me information to see at what the good time is for mummy and daddy to come together and try to make the baby. And then Bodhi's like, so mum,

like last night, so mum, when we go to sleep, are you and dad just going to go shabang? Oh, I was like, well, because he's like, you said that this is the timing. So this is the timing that you guys are meant to shabang. So this is the timing that you guys are meant to shabang. So, then when dad's penis goes up there and the sperm is like the fish and is starting to swim, why doesn't the fish reach the egg? And I was like, that's a really good question. Good question. Sometimes, I was like sometimes the sperm. Really, put on, let me pull on me back. Yeah, literally, really strong. And then other times the egg and the sperm, they just miss each other. And when that happens, that's when mom gets her blood. you see, because they've all seen me on the tour where I wipe and they're like, oh my gosh,

there's blood. Same. I love being really open about. Oh, 100%. I'm so open with my voice. We'll be like, are you hemorrhaging? Yeah. I'm like, yeah, always open about that.

Because in what situation do children see blood where there's nothing, where there's not something wrong? Right. I mean, for the most part, blood comes when there's an injury or someone's in pain. Yeah. So to be out to explain that this isn't a scary part of a woman's body and mommy's not in pain. nothing's gone wrong. Right.

This is just a part of what happens with women. Yeah, it's a cleansing. That's what I always say. It's the uterus shedding. It's a cleaning out. Exactly. Yeah. And Bodey's sad that he said two things.

He was like, because I'm a boy, I'm happy. I don't have to have a period and bleed. But I'm really sad that I don't get to carry a baby. Oh, I love that. He's like, I want to have a baby and feel a baby. moving and I was like, I hear you. That does feel sad. And I'm sorry, that feels sad for you. And, you know, and there are so many other special things that you get to be because you were born biologically as a male. And he knows, so he knows it. He's like, like Elliot, he just is

like, tell me the things. I want the facts. I want the facts. And he's ready to understand him. I think Forrest, it's more giggly and funny to him. He's seven. So it was like, e-he-he-he, butt, ha-ha, penis. Oh, trust me. Mine are so like that too. Literally, everything's hilarious.

They think that my husband's penis is the biggest thing they've ever seen in their entire life. Literally, they're like, it's this big. Like a size of an arm. I'm like, I know it seems that big. I mean, it is fun.

Seriously. They all talk about his big, like an adult, big penis. Yeah, Elliot calls it ginormous. He'll be like, Taddy, has a giantormous. He'll be like, Taddy has a giantorous. ginormous penis.

And Jeff will be like, this is true. You know, that's true. And I'm like, he's like, yeah. You can have it, babe. You know. I had multiple career opportunities. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

He's like, Elliot, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Bang on, buddy. Bang on. It's hilarious. Oh, Lord. It's so funny. That was the conversation from the doctor, too.

She said, puberty, you, everything grows. Like your body, you're going to grow here. too. And I was like, oh, I'm not a boy. So I never even thought like when that happened. I always thought it just like it's always growing. Incremental growth. Apparently in puberty is when they grow. Oh. Wow. I had no idea. I actually didn't even know that. I knew they grew here. I don't have a little boy. No. I know. I didn't know. I literally is I was like listening along to the puberty conversation and then she said that and I was like, Oh, wow. I did it.

I also did not know that. I feel like I need to go ask Mark about that. We should. Like it doesn't stay like a baby penis until you get. Did you have a baby? Like a little baby peen until you're 14, 15 and then it just shoots up. I don't know. Wait, I have a question.

Because you guys both have boys. When do you stop changing in front of them? Oh, I never do. I haven't stopped. Okay, because I haven't stopped either. And Elliot'll go, hey, yo. Like, he says, I walked in in a bathing suit yesterday and he went, hey, yo, not in front of me.

Oh, my gosh. And I'm like, what? He's like, you're naked. I think he's telling me. When he's ready. But I'm like, you're coming in to my room. Yeah, totally. So if you don't want to see me change, don't come into my room without knocking them.

100%. Because I don't care. I'm like. Yeah. change in front of the mailman, but definitely am not naked in front of Isaac. Like, I will actively avoid, like, is Isaac still asleep? Can I run around the house quickly and go down to the laundry to get my clothes? Like, that would be a, like my, with my stepson, it was. That's also different. It was different, I feel like, I've showered with him until six. 17.

Until, like last week. No, until he was about six. Like, Mark and him would have a shower together and I'd wash his hair and stuff. And then like once he started getting into the seven, eight, like then I was like not naked in front of him. Yeah. Yeah. And that was I guess my my own thing. I don't know. But I, no, I do remember. I remember him like avert, like being like with his eyes. Like he saw me and kind of was like, oh. Yeah. That's what it's a awkward thing. And I I reckon it was six or seven or eight, I reckon. Yeah, it was around that. So obviously Elliot's like at the point where he's now like, okay, mom, like, I don't need to see that.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is so funny. And Shepard does it too now because he doesn't know what he's doing. So if he sees my butt or anything, he's like, a yo. That's interesting. It's like a whole thing. I hear him and his friends do it, like Elliot and his friends. They'll be like, do you have a crush on so-and-so? And they all at the same time will be like,

hey, yo. Oh my gosh, what? Yeah. Is that like a thing? It's like a thing. It's like Riz. It's like the word Riz and Sigma. What is this?

Super Sigma. I don't know. It's only like the boys from what I understand because Briarer would like, yeah, the boys at school. Say it all the time. I was not. Sigma. It's not.

It's not. Not even with the boys? No. I never heard any of this. What? What about the Rizz? Really? Maybe some of the boys.

None of it? None of it? not friends with. Because do you know how he said there's some that he's not friends with? Because he, Bodey got this from Muse. Sigma and I don't know what it means.

It just means the best. Yeah. It doesn't mean cool. It's like Sigma is like the most. Like you're like the highest tier of whatever it is. Oh my gosh. So I said I got into this whole conversation with Bodie about this because I was like we were walking the dog the other day and I was like so explain some of the

terminology to me and I was like, He didn't fully know what Sigma men. Yeah. He was like, I think it means like good. It does. It means like the most. Right? I was like, Bodhi, I thought that Sigma was like a frat house, like a fraternity.

Because I'm from Australia and I was like, it is. Isn't it like Sigma? Sigma. Sigma something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But what's the actual definition of Sigma? Because the frat houses were probably named after that.

It was great. Well, I wanted the word. The most pie. I wondered if it came, if the word stigma came from the frat house, I don't know. I was like, where did this? That's where it's like, where do these all start? You know, like someone just decides this and then it like... I suddenly feel very uncool and really old.

I'm like, I... What is Riz? Because I hear this too. Like you're Riz. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like you've got swagged. You've got Riz. You've got Riz. It's kind of like charisma.

You know what I mean? you've got that it factor. Is that what comes wrong? I don't know. We're so like, oh. Elia told me he gave us, he gifted it.

He imparted and gifted his friend some Riz. And I said, excuse me. Yeah, he said his friend had a crush on a girl. He's like, so I gave him Ritz. Like I taught him some Riz.

I gifted him some Riz. Oh my gosh. And I was like, how did you do that? And he's like, I told him some pickup lines. Oh. You need to find out what they are.

Do you know what they are? Get out. Yeah. It was like, it was actually really like cute. Nothing. Yeah. It was like really cute.

Like when you walk in the room, the sun shines or something like really actually like nice. But, um. But Elliot always has comes up with like the BMS. Peeing myself. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. My friend Leah kept being like, I have the worst PMS.

Oh my God. I'm PMSing. And we hang up and he goes, is. Leah peeing herself. Oh my God. And I was like, peeing myself. I know.

Oh my God. I need definition. I need to know the definition. I know. I got into a whole thing. And then Bodie's like, what is a fraternity? And I am so bloody Australian that I'm like,

I think it's a club that you can get into. And then to get into the club, it's kind of wild. You're going to do these really crazy things. And it was like, what kind of things? And I was like, not the greatest things. You wouldn't really want to participate in some of these activities to get in the club.

And he's like, so there we wire people in the club. And I was like, I guess to have friends and you've got each other's back. Yeah. It literally is how, like, it's just from American movies. I grew up watching like a fraternity and a sorority. I don't need, I still don't explain it well to him. I was like, I don't really know. I don't even know that I can.

Well, it's an 18th letter of the alphabet. The Greek alphabet. The Greek alphabet. So I'm like, what does it mean? I was in a movie about fraternities and sororities, and I don't even know what it means. I don't even know what a fraternity or a sorority really is on a deeper level. Does it mean that have your back or something? Well, I want to assume that it would be almost like being a part of a community where you guys could lean on each other.

But I've never heard it explain that way. It's always been like a source of like partying or like that's where I heard the haze it, all the housing stuff. Well, because I listen to that a million true crime podcast all the time. So I don't really know. And then. Yeah. I just, this is an old podcast.

Sorry, it made me, I had a feeling this morning. So it's my second one. I was there on Friday. This morning? Oh, yeah. My face was like half like paralyzed and numb. It barely. It just came back.

Oh, dear. And Friday I had two. And so I was like to listen to a podcast. And I listened to cereal, which I had never. I know. I started with the. first season. Did you just say you've never listened to it? Well, I've never listened to it. I'm so addicted. I am, I'm like, when's my next feeling? Because I'm like, it is on,

that's what got me into everything. That actually makes my stomach turn just hearing. Yeah. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Serial kill. Well, this one was about, this one is about this whole case. Which case was, a Don Said who was convicted of murdering his young girlfriend, high school girlfriend. And it was this whole case. And then he got off. He got off like in 2022. Well, he was convicted and then it was overturned or something. Overturned.

But then I just was looking him up because I'm like, I need a face to like these people. And so I googled it. And then now they're like going back to it and he might be reconvicted. Something. I don't know. I have to look. I need to finish this whole series. And then there's the second seasons about the guy in the army who like went AWOL or something.

It was this whole other while. It's done so well. And it's so. I'm so into it. Well, that kickstine. the whole true crime way. Podcasts. Yeah, it's like from...

And it's a good one. So long ago. Because it's really well done. It's incredibly well done. It's incredibly well researched. Whereas some of the other podcasts. Like my favorite murder or... It's still like entertaining, but it's not like...

It's not like an investigative journalist is going in. Whereas cereal was like so legit. Like it was proper people investigating it. You would be able to... Yes. You would be able to listen to it. Because I like that. Or if it's about a cult, I'm fine.

I'm so in on my cult. I'm like, give me anything cold. Did you listen to the Nixian one? No. The Nixium one? No. I've watched everyone. A lot of that was based here, like in L.A.

Yeah. Like a lot of the, yeah, that was started here. But don't you always kind of want to join the cult in the beginning? You're always like, I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. It's all about love. And then you're like, oh, I'm out. I know.

Now it's demonic and weird. We were talking to my friend Riley about this. It was like, yeah, sounds great. Like at the start, I would be the first person to be out, oh my God, we all just hang out together as a community and about love and wear the same clothes. And like grow our garden and just like have babies and just barefoot and pregnant sounds amazing. But then, yeah, then it turns nefarious. I know. I know.

And you have to like sleep with the old man and, you know. I know. But in the beginning, it always sounds good. Yeah. Well, that's how they get you. Well, that is. Yeah. I mean, they have to.

Yeah. Wild Wild Country. I remember that docu series. What's that? No, you've never watched Wild Wild Country. Because that when I was like, oh, that I would have been in on that. Same. Right? You know, again.

The footage of all the naked people like, oh, like dancing around naked and. But the naked is the first person I could see you joining so. I know. And by the way, Mark would be the leader of the cult. Like, he is the leader. That would be his dream just to be like the head and just have all these. women around Eric and literally. But the way they pitch it, I'm always like, wait a minute, maybe we have it wrong.

Maybe we do need sister wives because like we, it would be so helpful to have someone else there, someone else with, you know, like the whole thing. Did you ever watch any of the sister wives stuff like this? Right? So I got super into reading those books about polygamy and it's like. Wow. Yeah. Like the third.

Were you pregnant when you go into this? No. That's when she gets really horny. That's right. She's dying. She's sweating. No. No.

This is specifically about having sister wives. This doesn't actually have to do with like any sort of coupling up. Like, you know. And so that I was fascinated by that it was such a taboo thought in like the religion that I grew up in. For sure. The first book I read about it was under the banner of heaven, right? And so that book had such a crazy impact on me mentally because it was just like such an intense murder and then like that whole investigation and everything. And then, yeah, there was like a book called The 13.

Then I started watching Sister Wives and I was like, oh, yeah, they come over and like help each other cook. Just what I'm saying. Take care of each other. And I'm like, is there any Licky the fans? Because I just can't. I cross the line there. Are there any... The women don't...

What is it? Oh, the women? No, no, no. They just... They hook up with a man. Oh, wait. So the women don't have to hook up. No, no, no.

No, it's just the man. I don't think it's against the religion. They just share one. It's different to like a thruple. No, it's not. Completely different. I always thought sister wives men... No.

No. You just share one man. You just share one man. And so, because I would have a sister wife if I didn't have to like... Hook up. No, you don't have to. I don't have to. Don't want to see.

Right. No, no, no. I don't want to go downtown to a chompy town. Could you handle someone else hooking up with your husband though? Right. That's the only thing. Could you couldn't. You might.

Yeah, it could be hot. No. I couldn't do it. You couldn't. She couldn't. I would be. It's like I wish I could. Could you?

She doesn't have a husband. I know, but you have to use your imagination in this imaginary circumstance. Certain people I would say absolutely could. Certain people I could say absolutely not. I think it depends on the man. It depends on the man. Yeah. Women actually hit on my husband in front of me.

And now it's really funny to me. It literally happens on the beach yesterday. We talk about this a lot. And I was like, wow, it's so weird. You know, and then they like walk away and he turns to me and he was like, oh. And I'm like, have fun with that. And we like make this joking banter back and forth. But I'm like, no, there's ladies actually will hit on him while I'm there.

Same with my husband's been happening recently. Yeah, it. In front of you. Yes. Yeah. And I love it. I like, I will be like, I will give him this space. Yeah.

It's attractive. I'm like, don't have that feeling. Like, I'm sure that feels amazing for the ego to be like, oh my God, these women are like into me. But do you find it attractive when other women like want your man? You know what I mean? Well, it's true. I think it's great. How's the woman?

Like, is she somebody who you're like, she's awesome? And I'm like, I like, vibe on. her a little bit, you know? And then you're like, yeah, I get it. I get why you think he's hot, you know? And then you're like there's a difference when it feels like, like there's a difference when it feels like they don't care about how you feel in the situation. Totally. A hundred percent. I felt that before where I'm like, ooh, that's a shady vibe I'm getting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. The energy, like the energy you're getting from the woman. It's like, it depends on the woman. Like, what's right? The woman's like,

oh my God, your husband is so hot. Like, he is so dreamy. Then I'm like, that's cool. I'm down with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Yeah, Jeff got his ego stroked by a bunch of people yesterday at my house. A bunch of gay men.

Yeah. Like, they were just like, you're so hot and you're so good looking and you're so leading man. Like, you walk in here and then he was like, yeah. And he's just like, yeah. He's just like, okay. That's so, yeah. And I was like, you got, that has to feel good. He's like, I felt like they just were trying to, like trying.

He thought it was because he has gray hair that they were just trying to comment on the gray hair. What? I was like, no, they were actually complimenting you. He was like, on you. Yeah, he doesn't get it. He doesn't see what people see. Right. You know what I mean?

That's better than being so self-aware of it. Which is true. Yeah, that is so true. So I think in order to have like a polygamous relationship be successful, I would have to enter it at the same time as the other women. I see. I couldn't now have a 12 years with someone and then be like, I'm going to share you. Right. You know what I mean?

History and yeah. Yeah. Big love. That was the show. Big love. And she brought someone else in after they had been together for a really long time. And then he brought a third. I mean, guys, this is not a real story.

This is a TV show. But I was obsessed. Then he brought the third girl in, you know, and that was way, way later as the first wife was aging and then this very young girl was coming in. That would be rough. What about the documentary? What was it like eat, sleep, pray. NAR.

What was that? Keep sweet prey love or something like that is about polygamy. He had 150 wives or something. What? He had some next level. The picture of him and all these women. Yes, I did see this. It was like a couple of years ago.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep sweet, pray, love. I don't know what I'm thinking like eat. I remember. I think I started watching it and I turned off. Oh, I can't turn it off. I cannot turn it off.

That's a lot. But then so these women can't have other men, though. They all have to worship the one man. Yeah. I don't know. It's like the Bachelorette or something. It's not, well, it's also not fair. Especially if it was like a hundred women, like, what's my day?

And he was like a hundred. Yeah. Not a lot of time. So you just, yeah, I wonder how weird. Two and a half days in here. That's so horrible. And then he was picking them very young, like very. No.

Yeah. No. Not cool. I don't like it. Your mom did a show once. She did a show. She produced a show. Yeah.

What was it called again? Married and Dating? Was that her show? Or was that a different show? Didn't so. It was on polygamy. She was at listening to the episode being like, thanks Rachel. Polygamy married and dating.

Is that what it was? Okay. Whatever. It is a fascinating or something. I think it's fascinating because it is such a, it's such a taboo subject. It's a hush, hush, right. I think that's why I got so fascinated by it. I was like, wait, people, what?

I know. Because it's foreign. Anything that's unfamiliar. Yeah. And my mom knows a lot about it. She's not a polygamous, but she, like, knows a lot about it. She's very accepting of, like, all things and, like, curious and whatever. She literally sounds like my soul, sister. I know. Every time you told about your mom, I know. You have to go to her house. What is the word they asked us yesterday. We were playing some sort of game. And they asked, do you like cuckling, cuckolding? I'm sorry, what? What game where? What are you talking about? What? What was the word? Hockholding? Like, what? It's called cuck holding. Cuck holding. Yeah. But how can you know what that is?

I've never heard of it. Oh, I thought you're like, oh, yeah. No, that's what I've said, too. She's like, oh, Cuckolding. I love it. I do that all the time. Yeah. I'm like Cuckolding.

Hold on. Let me put this in my notes. Yeah, no, my friend turned to Jeff yesterday and he's like, are you into cuckolding? And Jeff's like, what? I've never heard of that. Is that like a new word? I don't know. But then we played this other game.

Where I want you guys to answer this question. Yeah. Tell us. Okay. Let's see. So the question was, is it sexier for your partner to have a high body count or a low body count? Oh, in terms of how many vaginas that's been with? My husband has a very high body count.

Yeah. And I think it's hot. Okay. And I'm actually glad that he does because now we're married. He's like, been there, done that, had that time. had lots of different experiences. He experienced like every type of body, every type of woman. He's just like had a colorful array of experiences. And I'm grateful for that. Yeah. Because I'm like, cool. Now he's like married and committed. Right. And what's about you,

Sarah? The people are sorry hard for an answer. I actually, it's so funny. I don't think I've ever thought about that. What? Ever. Interesting. Literally. I don't know if anyone's ever asked me that question and I don't think I've ever thought about that. I think that's because I grew up so religious. I love it. She's like, she's like, she's like, I'm so well. I know. Because I think like, I never, it really took me a long time to find my sexuality. It did. Me too. Because it was such a taboo thing. Like, you know, I think that's why all these other things were so fascinating to me growing up being like, what? People do that? Oh, these things, you know. But yeah, no, I know that Eric has a history of obviously he was with other people. He had amazing long relationships with other people too,

which I think is really important and helpful when you're sort of navigating your own relationship, knowing that they've been somewhere in some sort of conflict before. Yeah. But I never thought about that. And so, and immediately, instead of thinking about him, I thought about how I've only been with, like, a few people in my life. Yeah. So, I love that. And one of my good friends has only ever been with her partner.

Yeah. That's amazing. That's so cool. Literally, that's the only person she's ever been with. That's very cool. It was really cool. I was very Catholic, so I thought that that was going to be my way as well. But you went a different way.

I went a different way. Although, like, much lower than what people. My thing, because I talk about it so much. What? I have not been with. Oh, she is. This is hard for her. Now I'm feeling her tip.

Do you guys know that it's changed? Like, in our day, it was like you wanted to be really hard to get the least amount of partners, the better. Like, it was like that thing of, like, you have to work really hard for me. And it was like a sacred thing. And then generationally, that switched where the younger. girls are collecting a body count. Wow, really. See, I've never had a one-night stand in my life, ever, ever.

And I've only been with boyfriends. So mine isn't actually that high. Well, that's not true. I have been with a couple. I was seeing a couple of people, but never had a one-night stand. I also heard this. Someone else told me this. Yeah, yeah, it's changed.

It's shifted. And I think that part of that was women taking more power back for their sexuality and being like, I, can live in whatever feels true for me. And it's their choice. You know, like I can see like dating someone and be like, no, I want to experience this to see if I have this connection. And it's my choice to do it first date, second date, third date,

18th date, whatever it is. But it's more your choice than the mentality of like. Yeah. And I think it's also breaking up that sexist divide of like, why is it okay for men to do that and not women? Yeah. Why are we looked at as a certain way. So it's interesting to watch that shift.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always had a number. I remember feeling like I will never go over that number. Right. And I like got to that number. And I'm not over it.

That number is my husband. Oh my God. That's wild. Wow. That goes with all of your manifesting like things that you knew or that you saw. And I would all. often do this thing where like if I was single and I go out and I see like an ex-boyfriend at a party or whatever, like we would make out and then I would have sex with them.

And we'd start seeing each other again. And but I was like, oh, my number doesn't go up because that's an ex-boyfriend. It's a revisit. I had a number of revisits. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I like a revisit. It's comfy. I mean, not anymore. But that was my go-to. Yeah. It makes sense.

Because you really know them and you're like, oh, whatever. It's comfortable. You know them. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not introducing anything new. Yeah, no. Into the body.

That you might have an aversion to. You might get a UTI or something gross. I know. I know. I'm not meeting any new. Many are new. Many are new. Not meeting.

Before we close. Yeah. Can we talk about Rachel's hair color for a minute? Oh my God, stop it. No, because people are writing in and they love it. Okay. That's, she does this, but like, it's been like this for a couple months now. And every time she walks in and sees me, she says the same, she's like, your hair.

I love it. I just, it brings me to show. It's a lot of attention on me that I don't like. Pulling back from the compliment. Why do you not want it? I don't like attention. Okay. But, well, you're an actress.

I know. You're going to have to be backward. It is. It does. It's really beautiful. Thank you. I appreciate that. It's, it's the perfect.

word for her. I saw her in a different light, saw her in a different light, literally in different sunlight at her house just now. And I was like, oh my God, that's the first time I've commented on your hair. I was like, your hair, it looks so good. It's like a Raven Beauty. A Raven Beauty. Nice. Yes. Yes. Because naturally it's more brown. It's not dark. This is more natural. This is more natural. It matches your eye color. Your hair color matches your eye and it makes it pop. Yeah. I'm a big fan.

Thanks. Yeah. Girls, thanks. Sorry, I don't mean to make you uncomfortable. I like complimenting you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks.

And if the masses have spoken, then it's like, we just lean into that. The masses are. The commenters. All right. Well, this was fun as always. So fun. All we do, we just talk. Yeah.

I have to say, though, on our podcast, these are the favorite episodes of our daisies. Yeah, because we just talk about whatever. shit's going on in our lives. It's the best. So nice. Without an agenda. And just with friends.

No agenda. We're going to do more stuff. Yeah. Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So what do you guys think about if we do an event? We're thinking about doing an event in L.A. And hopefully that can happen in October. Theresa won't be able to be with us. Potentially, though, L.A. in the new year in January. And then maybe even doing Australia. So just put that into the universe.

We're putting it out there. I've never been to Australia. I cannot believe that. I know. I can't believe it either. Would you guys come DM us all? Are you coming to our... Anyone interested in hosting a tour?

I know we have some really dedicated Ozies. Great. Yes. 100%. Okay. Ozy, Ozzy. Yes. All right.

So we're going to do a tour around Australia. I really want to go to the Fringe Fest. of all in Adelaide, my heart I mean, same because every time I see pictures or videos from it looks amazing. We're there. It's unbelievable. Yeah, we have to go. We're putting it out there.

Done. Amazing. Now we've said it. Now we've said it. It has to happen. Yay. Okay. So those are our events coming up.

Yes. Yes. And then we get all bestie up together and hang out. It's going to be so fun. Yes. And then January, we can trip around here a bit. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't go back until the end of We should definitely have our tarot card reader come and do a reading for us all on our future together. Yes. Maybe on our episode we do with you guys. Yeah. Our collective. Yeah.

That would be super cool. Yeah. Let's do it. So many things. So many things. Love you guys so much. We love you guys so much. We love you.

Now let's play a game. Let's do it. Of Let's fuck with Rob. What are the rules? How do you? win. Hmm. If we make him squirm.

He's kind of unscormable. Yeah, but his mouth is moving right now. His mouth is twitching side to side. Is that a thing you do? What makes your heart rate race? I have a question for you. I have a question. Do you feel like as a guy, I know you've been married for so long, but do you feel like

it's an autopilot thing to like go in for first kiss, first date? No. I don't either. Jeff waited four dates. To kiss you? And by the time he kissed me, I was like... And you guys had already made love? We haven't done that yet.

Four dates. We were dating for like a month. And did you have to do it? No, he finally kissed me. He talked to me about it for an hour first and then kissed me. About his like kissing technique? I don't think he. he was ready to not have his other options open at school.

Not open, you mean? He wasn't fully committed to it only being Olivia. Yeah, so he didn't want to kiss me and give me the wrong idea if he wasn't. Well, he's a good boy. Sure. Do you feel like, I think we need to preface that we were grown adults. This was an elementary school, though? This was not elementary school.

This was a after school. And you felt like because all the girls kind of wanted him. Well, Jeff's 20 years older than you? Seven. But I'll make sure to send him that clip. I'll love that. But like because the other girls really were into him. Yeah.

He was getting letters in his pocket. What? Oh, yeah. It was like, I remember I told Erica and she's like, they need to calm down. This isn't the bachelor. Like. Dr. Jeff.

Dr. Jeff was slaying it. And I think he wanted to see. Do you want to keep slaying? Yeah. I don't. Was he in a relationship? He had just gotten out of a relationship. Oh, okay.

Okay. He wanted to see all the options. Wait. He was engaged before me. And then he had another relationship with a girl that lived in his apartment. So right before you got together, he was like single guy for the first time with options? Correct. He had been engaged in a relationship, broke up, dated a girl that lived in his building for a couple years, broke up with her.

And how old is he at this time? 40? He was 40 when this was happening? No, he wasn't. What do you mean? He was 40? Wait, he was 40? How old is Jeff now?

52. We've been together 12 years. Okay. So in his 40, he was hit in his, like, single and... He's a serial monogamous. So then when he met me, he was like... And he was still in school at 40? He went back to school for a master's program.

His ages are making sense to me. You were at elementary school. He went, the spiritual psychology program was something he did just to further develop his consciousness. It wasn't to. You're a spiritual psychologist? Eatable a dix. I don't think anyone's heard that though in like a year and a half. Because I took the note.

I know. Yeah. I'm teachable. Any Hewielhauser, yes. There was a lot of ladies that thought they had something with him. And he thought his options were still open if he didn't hiss you. We went to school together. So we had a lot of respect for each other.

We were learning all of this stuff. We were bonding. It's like he wasn't going to just treat me like a hookup. Did he go to that school to meet women though? Are you sure? He went to meet himself. A newly single in his 40, a doctor going to a spiritual psychology school? Like, what is it 95% women that go there?

No. No. Not at all. There was tons of men. Yeah. He went because he was really unhappy in his life and like with what he was doing and felt like he needed to change. And he didn't, he was like hitting his knees of like, I don't know what to do. Another doctor friend brought him. Got it. And was like, just try this thing. Because that crossover doesn't seem to. It's the weirdest crossover in the world. Science doctor and then spiritual psychology. He was brought by another doctor being like, I did this program. It changed my life. Just come for an information night. Jeff didn't even know what the fuck it was. And he was like, I'm just going to sign up and do it.

And then he was like, that's the next level. And then he was like, all the bitches are here. Jeff is a yes man. Yeah. Did you like that next level reference? I don't guess. What's his company's name? Next health.

Yeah. So close. So close. But didn't that drive you nuts that it took four dates? By the time he kissed me, I literally said out loud, oh my God, thank God. Now I can be affectionate with you. Oh, you told me that. Because I didn't know, like, were we friends?

Like, I really didn't know if he just liked me as a friend. Oh, that's frustrating. Dr. Jeff. Dr. Jeff. So did you find, though, that you would go in for a kiss, or did you find girls would go in more? So something I'm curious about. I don't remember. You don't remember.

Who kissed first with you and Natalie? Yeah. And what date number? It was like first date. First date? But we knew each other. I know, but still. And we had been like talking and it was like,

because she was in Budapest. And then once she came back in Chicago. What was the first kiss? We were down by like the Chicago River. And? At night and it was December and it was cold. I think we had specifically gone. on there because we knew it was going to be

your first kiss? Oh, you planned it. Rob had it like he had a what you call it. How old were you? Yeah. It was 2010. So 14, like 22, 22, 23.

Oh my God, that's so young. You guys have been together since you were that young. That's crazy. Dude, are you okay? Blink twice if you need out. No, I'm just kidding. That's young. Okay.

That's really young. I mean, think of a 22-year-old. Yeah. Like, that's my sister. Their first kiss. Elliot got out of the car today because he has a crush. And he said, I have a crush mom. And I was like, cool.

I'm like, what, what? And he's like, well, when she sits down, I get chills all over my body. And I was like, oh, okay. A real crush. So he told one of his friends at school, a girl. and she said she's going to tell her and he doesn't want her to tell her. And so this morning when he was getting out of the car,

he's like, my heart's beating really fast. I'm having a hard time catching my breath. I have butterflies in my tummy. And I need a shit. No, and I was like, how fun. I was like, you're going to miss that feeling. Like, that is the feeling of first love, right?

No, but like realizing that's really cute. Is that how you felt when you knew? knew you were going to kiss Natalie. Next question. Do you? We made a high five. Have you ever made a first move? Have you ever kissed a boy?

Have you kissed a guy? I've ever kissed a new one before? Have you ever made a first move? Not once in a relationship, obviously. Like just for the first time. I don't think so. I'd have to really think about it, but the fact that I have to, I mean, no. Should we just name guys and you say?

Very funny. Very funny. I've never, I don't think I have. I've never made the first kiss move. That sounds funny. I've never made the first move. I think I've not made it before. And the girl has?

Yes. I hear guys really like that. I'm finding guys, like, you know, like cool, attractive guy, whatever. Like, girls will make the first move. Yeah, I think, and they like it. What's wrong with us? So much. Literally so much.

Okay, next question. Okay, hold on. I had things written down. I was at Mario the other day. Yeah. And I was waiting for my trink. And these triplets walked in, male triplets, and they were all dressed.

The same. And the same with the same haircut. They were grown up? They were like in their 20s. And it, like, really, it made me really disoriented. You didn't know what to do with it? Yeah, it was really weird. They probably were, like, auditioning for something.

That's what it seemed like, and then they, like, ordered their drinks. Can triple? They were identical. I mean, they were dressed with the same haircut, so they were close enough intentionally. And then I had to go up to the barista, and I was like, are you seeing this? Triple. What is really freaking me in? What would they say?

She was like, yeah, I know. It's really weird. We saw someone that really freaked us out the other day. Who? Where? I mean, you and I? On spotting. To me, that was one of the most iconic spottings I've ever had. No idea what she's talking about.

Your style icon. Oh, yes. You ran into Kate Moss? No. Can't keep guessing? Yeah, keep guessing. You're not going to get it. Ozzy Osbourne?

Charlize Theron What the fuck are you Diane Keaton she was sitting She was sitting right behind us And I didn't know Because my back was to her And Olivia goes

You're like Your icon Your person is here Your person is here And I go Larry David She said no You're female

And I was like And then I got there Yeah I think my first guess was Lisa Kudrow. It's fine. Then she said style and I said, Diane Keaton. I could see Lisa Kudrow for you. 100%. You're like a short brunette version of her.

From friends. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty exciting. Did you say anything to her? No. I would never. You didn't like smell her or anything. She looked so good.

She, sure style. Her outfit. Stellar. Amazing. She showed up in the world as Diane Keaton. She does not disappoint. Nope. No. And we were at Houston. We were at Houston's, which makes it even better.

Do you even like a steakhouse? I love a steakhouse. You wouldn't. I don't. I love it. A baked potato. It's too like the leg. And a steak. But no blue cheese ranch.

Oh. No blue cheese. It's too plain for me. Steakhouse? Like just give me a slab of steak. I am so run in the mill though. But with the baked potato and the... Houston's is my favorite.

Don't knock it. Houston's is a big deal. Rachel and I played Monjong. Mahjong. Mahjong. I'm in. I don't know what that means. You know what Mahjong is?

Have you ever heard of it? Really? Had you never heard of it before yesterday? I did only because the Granite Bay ladies had like a mahjong group. I just am a grandma at heart. So, of course, I know Mahjong. Is this some sort of like cultural appropriation thing, white people in California are doing? Oh my Lord.

Is it Asian game? There's different versions of the game. We played the American version of Mahjong. You have tiles. It's a game. It's fun. I rather enjoyed it. I love any old lady game.

Not to say it's an old lady game. It's an any lady game. They're not to offend Mahjong players. It's very popular with grandmas out there. I'm very impressed with their brains, because it takes. It takes a lot to follow what the heck is going. I think you can just like click into it if you played it for a long time. Yeah.

My grandpa was playing bridge. Right. Yeah. It's all that stuff. Until he was like 95 and like winning tournaments. It keeps you sharp. Yeah. He was like.

Why he lived till 95. Yeah. But he was also like not there mentally besides that. Oh, interesting. But like could still play bridge. My mom plays solitaire a lot. That's great. My dad plays a lot of solitaire.

Does he? I love cards. We're starting a card. club? What is this card club? What is that insist? Oh yeah, you're I keep asking. We're gonna have nights and get-togethers and where we play card games. Are we really though? A hundred. That is like one of the most like out of everything going on in my life. And now is that just, is that like you have to be a member like we're a card holding club? I don't know. Or is it like card night? I don't want to be exclusive. And you're hosting it most of the time. I don't mean that. Our friend Emily,

we are on it. And we have I haven't figured out the details yet. You guys have card club. Yeah, we have card club. You don't play cards. Okay. Do you? Do you want to come with the ladies?

You do, actually. I know you do. Sounds great to me. I am a card player. Actually, it would be right up your alley. You would love it. Yeah, my family was like always into cards. My grandparents were being.

What were your games? I mean, it was like phase 10 a lot and rummy. Mm-hmm. I want to learn rummy. But it was very intense. We had like card etiquette that you had to follow. They play really intense rules. Yeah.

Where like don't look at your cards until everyone's dealt. Just your family? Like at your house? Yeah. That's cute. Have you guys heard of euchre? Yeah, we played euchre. That's what Jeff is like obsessed with you.

Oh, that's what you couldn't think of the name yesterday. It just came to me. Yucer. I don't know Yucer. Me neither. I'm always trying to get Briar to play King's Corners with me. It's just like a little card game. That's fun.

Sometimes you will. I play a mean game of war with that lady. I really do. I really love cards. Remember spit and speed. Of course. Yeah. I like those games.

I love all card games. I just want to carry a deck with me everywhere I go. Is there anyone willing? I'm ready to go. That feels on brand for you. Right? Can you shuffle? You got to do the day pottery class.

No, I'm terrible. It's shuffling. My great grandma would always, I know, would always like shuffle them, you know, when you go. And I would always say, Grandma, make the cards go, and I could never do it. You never learned? You should see Casey do it. Oh, I'm sure. We have a friend who was a car dealer.

It's actually really sexy because she like does it. She was a car dealer for like the- A professional poker dealer. Yeah. For like the high stakes games. It's very, it's very cool to see. Hot. Yeah.

You don't think it's cool? I mean, I think it's awesome. Okay, if it was a dude pulling out like a deck of cards And being like how cool I am shuffling it Is that a turn on for you? No. No.

Yeah, I didn't think so. But it's... I will say for a woman, maybe. For a woman, it's just cool. It's like a different... And like she's a very beautiful woman. I'm just saying I heard you say that But then I also thought if like Jeff pulled out a deck of cards

and started shuffling really well. If USM, it would have gone over really well. I don't think you... They would have been like, Andy plays cards. Oh my God. Because you imagine instead of like swinging an axe, you're like, he can shuffle some cards. That motherfucker can shuffle a deck of cards. He's doing magic tricks too.

He's doing magic tricks too. Pick a car, ladies. That, how do you feel about men doing magic? I'm serious. I have like very little thoughts about men doing magic. Like if a guy is hanging out and like, is like, hey, I've got a magic. trick. I mean, I've seen cool magic.

Yeah, like David Blaine and like that I think is cool, but I mean someone. The idea of it though. Yeah, like at a wedding, they're like, I do magic. I mean, I wouldn't be mad at it. But how do you feel about that person? And everybody's gathering. And I didn't know and they just busted out. It depends on the package though.

Like Vincent DiNoffrio does magic. Oh. And like him joining it. It depends on the package. You're right. I want to talk about one thing. There's something I really admire and respect about Jeff. I mean, there's many things. But there's one thing. There's one thing in particular. She was telling me a story and Jeff, you know, they arranged this whole pickleball thing to start going on with like friends and the friend came over. And, you know, pickleball was set and he came over and he was like, hey, do you want to like, I'm going to go play pool. Wait, you tell the story. Basically, Jeff's, you know, playing, he got this little pickleball group of friends. And the guy, our friend Anthony came over and was like, hey, man, like that was really fun. He came to pick something up. He's like, we're going to start doing this. And Jeff, like, went out to tell him.

Like, hey, it really means a lot to me. I love doing this. It's fun. Let's keep it going. I get a lot out of it. And Anthony goes, that's awesome, man. I've started playing pool recently if you'd ever want to come and Jeff goes, no. And Rachel and I are like, how do we get there? How do we get there? Like, it's not, no, I don't want to do that. Phoebe on friends, she'll be like, yeah. I can't go.

They're like, why? Because I don't want to. Like, what would you say in that circumstance? I would say the same thing when I go go play pool. To someone you're not that close with, you would just be like, no, I'm not going to go pool. You wouldn't be like, yeah, yeah, sure, one day, man. You would just be like, no.

Yeah. That's happened with like guys I play. softball with they'll be in like other rec leagues and like you want to come play basketball and no hmm try it what do you would you want to like go play pool well i would want to go play pool okay well something you don't want to do do you want to no you'd want to do that i was going to ask if you want to like would you would like to like join a swim team absolutely not no but like to a to a to to a stranger like, she would say no to me.

Oh, my God. I'll look it up and I'll see what the deal is. Oh, that sounds fun. Oh, that sounds really fun. Yeah. Maybe. I'll look into it. Text me.

Yeah. Yeah. But we would never look at someone's face and be like, no. No, I don't want to do that. But I think we're going to try it. All right. We'll see how it goes and we'll report back. We'll see if we can actually be honest.

Yeah. Your goal is to say no. to three people this next week. That's hard for me. She says no all the time to people she's close to. Oh, yes. I have no problem saying no to people I'm close to. I say no for you with full confidence all the time. You do, that is true.

People like with Rachel what? I'm no. No. No, she would not. She would not like to do that. She would not like to leave her house at that time. I've just started not even entertaining. that's smart.

And then I'm like, but I'll go. I'll be in your movie. Yeah, but I'll be in your movie. I'm available. I'm available. Yeah. Anything else to add? Rob brought me Cracker Barrel shirts or shirt and a sweatshirt for my birthday.

Why aren't you wearing it? I should have worn it. Well, one of them says. It was the only option. I like it. What if she just picked it up and was like, no? No. Okay.

Are we good? No. Okay. Bye. That was a headgum podcast.