Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Teresa Palmer & Sarah Wright Olsen on Manifesting, Pregnancy Loss, and Ghosts

Episode Date: January 16, 2023

Actors Teresa Palmer [Warm Bodies, Hacksaw Ridge] and Sarah Wright Olsen [American Made, Parks and Recreation] talk with Olivia and Rachel about top baby names, pregnancy loss, and ghost encounters. They also discuss why so many women love true crime, how moving affects kids, and manifesting. Broad Ideas is supported by Rocket Money. Cancel unwanted subscriptions and manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/IDEAS. Broad Ideas is supported by Sundays for Dogs. Get 35% off your first order at SundaysForDogs.com/IDEAS, or use code IDEAS at checkout.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Sarah Olson and Teresa Palmer are here today. I have known them for a very long time. Loved them for a very long time. Admired them for a very long time. But I feel like today is the day we solidify this lifelong friendship. So they have their podcast, the Mother Days,

the D-A-Z-E, the Mother Days. And I just love how they approach motherhood and life. And I have always, like I said, admired. I mean, they have so many children. So many children. And I love just their whole process and how they embrace it. And it's beautiful. I was super excited that they were going to come in and speak with us today.

And I can't wait to do some other days as well. So let's welcome Teresa and Sarah. Sometimes when the work inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling round and round inside. Join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that I make you...

Because people die. We're so happy you ladies are here, first of all, I just have to say. And I've known both of you for so long. Yeah. I'm trying to think like the first... Our first interaction, Teresa, in Toronto. know at the film festival. And it's such a crazy story.

Like, so bizarre. You were like with your boyfriend from, I don't even know, because your boyfriend from high school or something? My first love. Your first love from Australia. And we had watched the OC together religiously. Like every, and he was like, it's summer, it's summer! It's summer! was like pointing at you from across the room.

And I was like, oh my God, it's Rachel Belson. And we freaked out and came and inspired you. And the even more funny to bring it full circle, Sarah, I was at the film festival for the last kiss, which I had done with Eric, your husband. Oh my God. I know. I know. That literally just came to me right now.

That's why I was there. That's crazy. Wow. That was crazy. That was like right before I met him too, because he went into our show. And that's where we met. That's where you met. And I was only like 22.

Whoa. You were 22 when you met Eric? Yeah. Wow. I was married. And yeah, it was 22. You were married at 22? I was married at 21.

Holy smokes. Oh, my God. And your last name was Mason because I remember seeing a photo of this Sarah Mason. And I was like, I've never seen a more beautiful woman in my entire life. You're in a picture with Ron Howard randomly. And I was like, that girl is a bombshell. And I was like, who's this Sarah Mason? And then, of course, we ended up becoming besties.

I know. Well, how did you guys? like meet and become best friends just like to get it out there well we met um well actually what's funny is the very first time that we ever had an interaction i was at the grove and eric and i are walking through the grove and we're like shopping and we're just started dating or like looking for a coat and um i see teresa and she's like stunning and she's wearing the coolest coat and i'm like she looks really familiar i think she's an actor and eric was like oh she is and i was like her coat is so cool And Eric was like, well, I'll just go ask her what it is.

And I'm going to get it for you. And then he went up to her and he was like, hey, my girlfriend loves your coat. And I was so embarrassed, like, off to the side. I was like, what? And he was like, where is it from? And you were like, I have no idea. Tofa bought it for me. Oh, that's a lot of time.

Yeah. This is not so crazy. Get out of here. Yeah. He, like, bought me. It was a big deal. He bought me this one gift once when we were dating. and it was this coat.

And it was like this big deal that I got this coat. And then I got stopped at the grove about the coat. And I was like, oh, my God, my boyfriend bought it for me. And then Eric wanted to know what it was. I can't remember. I don't have it anymore. And I feel like it was like two years later that we were invited to a breakfast by our mutual friend, Ariel Kebbell. Oh, okay.

And she was like, yeah. And she was like, hey, will you come to this? breakfast. Earth Cafe. Earth Cafe. And we sat next to each other and everyone there was like chatting about work and stuff. And Tricia and I were just kind of like, so do you want to have babies? And that was it. Like without we just like connected. It was so funny. Everyone was like, we're actresses. So everyone was like, oh my God, the industry and auditions. Did you audition for this? And we were like off to the side having this like sidebarbing. All I want to do is have so many babies Screw this industry.

Yeah. How old were we? Do you know? Do you know what year it was? No. I reckon it would have been 2009. Yeah, maybe something like that. Oh, wow.

I'll start saying that. I reckon. I know. I know. I want to adopt all of things. I want to say it. I want to say it. I reckon.

It just puts you in a different category. I hope it's a cool category. It is. It's like you just up level. Okay. Up leveled, majorly. That's my spot. That's my word for this year.

Up level. Oh, yeah? Yep, there you go. We got to put it out there. But that's so relatable because I feel like, you know, especially when you do what we do when in this town and you're at those things, like, and you just connect, it's like, oh, you're a real person. And we have the same, you know, whatever.

And it's all about having babies and we're all moms here. Yeah. You know, and you guys have so many children. A lot. A lot. And we want more. Are you at three now? I'm at three.

You're at three and you're at four. Five. Five, including yes. Although, yeah, including my steps on. You have five. I birthed four of them, yes. Yes. I was just speaking, you know, through the vaginal.

Vaginal, yes. That's right. Four, but yes, five. And it's a lot of children. It's a lot. And you want more? I do. I want one more.

Wait, you have three. I do. Yeah. And I'm not going to give it away. Yeah, you're young. She has the best baby name. Oh, you do. For four?

For number four. We're not going to say to me. But it is amazing. So it has to happen just so you can like. I mean, you know, when the name comes to you and you're like, oh, do I do this? I mean, the name is amazing. Good night. I guess I have to.

No, that's a really good question I've had. I'm like, if you have a name, does that mean there's another soul? I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Because I've had that because my husband's mom passed away and her name was Madeline Moon. And I'm just like, how do you not have another baby? Maddie Moon?

Yes, little Madie Moon. I didn't even know that. I mean, his mom passed away. No, I didn't know the name. Her last name is Moon. Oh, that's so beautiful. I know. So then we've been like, do we have to like have a baby?

But you have to have a girl, right? A girl in spinning or something. My daughter's name is Prairie Moon. Oh, I love that. I love that. I love that. I love how original you got, you know, with your names. What are the names?

I love your baby name too. Oh, thanks. It's such a great name. My one lone child. My. There could be more, maybe. I don't know. I don't know.

We don't see. We'll see. Maybe. I have Bodie Rain, Forest Sage, Poet Lake, and Prairie Moon. Wow. Beautiful, right? It's like a poem.

It's like I want to move in. I know. We have room now. I'm leveled. You did. That is the word. And I have Wyatt Oliver, Esmea, Olivia, and Winter's story.

I mean, could you die? We have. was one of our names. It's awesome. It's such a good one. It just kept coming back to me. We were trying to figure out what the name was,

and I wrote them all on this chalkboard, and I found out I was pregnant with her on Christmas Eve. And so it was snowy outside, and I was just like, I don't know, I feel like her name is winter. But we went back and forth

between winter and clover. And so I gave her winter, and then I wrote a children's book and gave the lead character Clover. Oh, so you used it. Oh, that's amazing. What's the children's book? It's called Happiness is the Journey.

That sounds really nice. It's the sweetest. It's cute. It's the sweetest. It has amazing illustrations and it's this beautiful poem about being present for kids. My kids love it so much. We've read it about a thousand times. Being present for kids is huge.

You know, and especially like you're always on your phone. There's always so much to relate to. How do you guys, do you take time and you're like, I'm not going to have my phone now or do you make these conscious, like, decisions or? I think it's a struggle, you know. And it's like, I feel like it's constant. There's a constant. Definitely, like, all throughout last year, I remember that a big thing that I was really working on was because I wanted to be home and I wanted to be with the kids. But I was also working from home.

You know, we were like, I had book stuff happening and we were launching our podcast. We were just like doing all this work from home, which as much as you're like, I want to be a mom that stays at home, but I'm also working from home. Then you find that you're on your devices a lot. Yeah. And so then I was like, okay, I really have to make time. Like when the kids are at school, that's why I'm doing my stuff. then, you know, I'm doing stuff with the baby on and off of her naps, and then, you know, I'm back on my phone again. And it's not consistent. Like, I'll pick it up and I'll be like, oh, I really have to

respond to this. And she's, like, playing right there. But I tried to make a point that, like, at three o'clock every day that I'm done and I focus on them. And if something pops up and I have to do it, then, okay, I'll do that. But I'm trying to head in the direction of, like, I do most of my stuff when the baby's napping or the kids are at school. And otherwise, I try to be really present. But the book is more about like, you know, it's about mindfulness. It's like taking in your surroundings and not wanting to like jump ahead or go somewhere else or be in this other place or whatever it is. Because my daughter is like, if we're at the beach, she's like, I really miss my friends or I miss the mountains or I want to go do this, you know, and I'm always trying to pull her

back into, but what about right now? Like this is, this is so beautiful. Look at what we're doing and how let's enjoy this moment. And so that's where it all came from. I love that. It's so beautiful. Where did you learn that in your life? Like what pulled you back into? Into the present. You know, I think throughout my life, my dad was a pastor when I was growing up. Oh, wow. And I experienced a lot of loss as a child because in the church, like, there was a lot of people who died.

And my dad always preached at the funeral. And then I had grandparents. And then I lost my dad when he was, he was only 53. And I was 33 and I was pregnant with Esme. Oh, sure. And so it was pretty, it was pretty interesting. intense and it was definitely something that I think pulled me into a deeper state of presence, being in the present moment, like enjoying where I'm at. And I feel like with every year since my

dad's death, I've really stepped more into a grounded place in my own spirituality and just like, you know, understanding that life is fleeting. It's beautiful. But like I want to be here in this moment right now and try to not be so distracted with where else I want to be. Right. Yeah. It's a challenge. I feel like it's the point though. Yeah. Isn't it? Yes. Yeah. 100%. It is the point. And it's also just like it's so fulfilling when you're really like one of the most beautiful trips that we ever took as a family is we went to this place called Holden Village and it's in the Cascade Mountains. And Eric grew up going there. It's like this beautiful little village, but there's There's no, I mean, you have to take like a plane to a town to a boat to a bus and then you're up in

this village. And so there's no phones or internet or anything. So Eric and I and the kids, like every day we're sleeping these little cabins and the kids are going to this little school called Narnia. Oh my God. And we're going and taking classes. So we're taking like pottery classes and I'm taking like these like really, you know, it's a very like, can I be your fourth child? Yes. But there's like all of these different things. So I'm learning about poetry and this is where I wrote like a song and there's like all these different classes you can take. But Eric and I would like go to a class and then we would have coffee together and then we'd play Scrabble

and then we would like, you know, pick up the kids and go to lunch and there'd be deer everywhere. But our kids to this day are like that was it. That was the trip. And it's a trip because we were just together and no one was distracted. Every single momo is present. Oh my gosh. And so that was seven days of that. And it was like.

I remember when you. told me about that. I was like, we need to go. And then we never ended up going back together. Well, COVID happened. Oh, yeah. So they shut down for a while because it was like they had to protect, you know, the community and everything. But yeah, that sounds like a dream. I am just curious. Do you think you can teach, like obviously through books, through classes, all of that great stuff to teach presence? But do you think we can actually teach that to our children? or do you think it's an experiential thing that happens that one day people get it? Personally, I think it's both.

I think like when you're with anything with parenting, like there's this one thing where we're like teaching and telling, but it's another thing where you're modeling it, right? So I try to like remember that all the time through parenting where I'm like, oh, I'm really trying to drive this home. And then I have this amazing nanny slash doula slash I swear she's like a spiritual guide. Sonia. Sister laugh. But Sonia will be. like, but you realize, like, they're going to get it because they're going to watch you doing it.

And so I'm like, oh, oh, right. More is caught than taught. Yeah. And that's so true. I love that saying. But yeah, that's so true. They're going to see you in it, see you taking the time, doing the thing, like, whatever it is. Like, they're going to see it.

And they're going to go, oh, right. Yeah. You know, I feel like I'm struggling this morning because my daughter and I kind of, like, got into it because I was rushing to get her out. And, like, I'm so hard on myself. I'm like, oh, I fucked that up. Like, I didn't do what I should have in communicating with her because she wasn't doing the things I was asking. You know how hard it is to get out of the house to get to school in the morning. And I had to come here and like be ready.

And I'm like, I need your help this morning. And at one point, I started crying. And I was like, I'm crying. Like, she was crying. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's so selfish that I did that. Because now she took it on like, I'm a terrible kid. I made my mom. What kid makes their mom cry?

And I was like, oh, fuck. Like, what did I do? You humanize the experience of motherhood. That's what you did. And you're, like, showing her that, do you know what? Adults can cry and we can have big feelings as well. And when you pick her up from school, like, you'll be in a different mood and be like, oh, yeah, I move through those feelings. Right.

Like, what a beautiful example. I tried to talk to her on the way to school and was just like, you know, Briar, like, it wasn't you. It's not the person. Sometimes our behavior can cause a reaction, you know? But then she was like, she feels so bad. My daughter's so sensitive. Same. We have sensitive. Our first children.

Your first children? Yeah. Barty and Wyatt. Okay. Would you say Elliot's more sensitive than Shepard? A thousand percent. I mean. I mean, I mean, yes.

Elliot, the other night, we're going to sleep and he just starts sobbing. And I'm like, why are you crying? And he's like, because I don't want you to die. Same. And I'm just like, yes. My kids, Barty's been crying about that too. Yeah. And I can't say, well, I'm not going to.

Do you know what I mean? And I just sit there and I sit with him and I say, I understand the way you feel. Right. And let's cherish every moment. Lying to children thing. Right. Like when is it, if ever, okay to lie to them or to stretch the truth or how do you guys handle that? We have this.

Santa. Santa. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I know. We have this saying in our house where and Eric started it, but he's like, if I'm not with you, where am I? And my kids are like, you know, now we gave them the words. which in my heart and in my head. So it's like we talk about that with people who have died in our

lives, like my dad. And I'm like, he's not with us here, but he's here and he's here and we have his memories. And so like, you know, one day when I'm really old, I am going to die. And, you know, and I'm going to be with you here. And so it's, I mean, and I only am taking this from like a therapist who said, when you're talking to kids about it, you want to be like, well, yeah, I could die more. No. You know, you don't want to do that. No. No. But you can be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, when I'm really, really old wrinkly and in my bed, when I'm an old wrinkly, wrinkly, old grandma, like a great grandma. And also, you don't have to worry about that right now, but I know that those feelings are heavy and big. Yeah. And I love you and, you know, but yeah, holding the space for

them. Yeah. But also not wanting to lie to them, it's a tricky balance, isn't it? Yeah. So tricky. It is. But I feel like there's an opportunity in it. I think that people, you know, whether it's religion or spirituality and they just say, well, here's what happens when you die, right? And what we try and do is go, so there's a bunch of different ideas. Yes.

Same. You know? There's a bunch of different ideas. Right. Us too. Yeah. No one's quite certain. We all believe different things. And it's up to you to feel what feels right for you.

Mm-hmm. Right? And, like, kind of giving them the space to be like, what feels right for me? And then you say, what do you think? Exactly. And that's the greatest. It's like the answers that come from where you, what do you think? Exactly. Oh, they're amazing.

My mom's so creative. Very, very religious. She's extremely Catholic. Oh, Catholic. She goes to Mass. She'll Uber from my house. She'll take an Uber has figured out how to do that on her phone. She can't really text or do emails or.

cool, but she can Uber to church somehow, some way. But she goes about four times a week. So she's told my kids that there's heaven and this is what happens. This is exactly what happens. And like your dogs will go to heaven and your cats will go to heaven and everyone's in heaven. So she's the only person telling them what to believe. So we've been trying to do, we're not like unraveling that for them at all. we're like, yeah, that is what Nana really believes in, which is amazing. And that's so great. And you can believe in that too. And Dad and I, we have different ideas of what might potentially have them.

And then throwing it back to them. Being like, what do you think? And I think my three-year-old right now is all about heaven because she just hears that from Nana. So she's like, heaven exists. And to get into heaven, you have to have the water on the head. And then that's the way you go out to heaven. Wow, it's a really interesting. Interesting perspective poet.

Where'd you get that from? But yeah, isn't it funny? These big conversations that we have to have with our kids and just, you know, not having being dogmatic in any approach, just being sort of open. Right. And throwing it out there to them. Like, what do you guys think? Right.

Because there's no, like, book telling you. No. There's a book. There's a book. There's a book. There's a book. And we love them. And we love them.

But I do love what you said, though, about, you know, when you're talking to Breyer and you're saying, like, you know, this isn't, it's not you. You know, this is like something to happen or a choice that you made. Like, we try to say that to my son too. It's like because he's so much like me where we'll just like beat ourselves up or something. You know, like Eric is like, he does something wrong. He apologizes. He owns it. And he's done.

He doesn't think about it again. I am like, I apologize. I own it. I stew over it. It's inside of me. I'm like stressed about it. My son is the same way. And so we are constantly now trying to tell him. And it's a reflection to me too where I'm like telling myself. But like this isn't you. This is just a choice that you made. Like I'm not a bad person. I made a bad choice. And it's okay. And people make mistakes. But so that's like what you were reflecting to Briar and that's amazing. Trying. It's so hard, you know. And yeah. And your kids be like, I'm terrible. And they're

this is new for her though. She just turned eight. Okay. And how old are your oldest? Yeah. That's what, and why it's the same age. Okay. He just turned nine. He just turned nine.

Okay. And then your oldest. Barty's about to be nine. About, okay. So it's the same. Yeah, but it's just interesting. It's like this new thing and she's getting older and like the kids and the influence and school and the thing she's hearing.

So it's like trying to navigate all of that and all this new stuff. And I'm like, and she just keeps me like, you're mad at me. You're mad at me. I'm like, I'm not mad at you. Sometimes like I get frustrated. and those feelings can come out. Like, I need your help. Mommy's just asking for help.

You know? I need you to help me. I am feeling these things, but it's just because I need your help. Like, I need you to listen when I say something or whatever. Yes. Mother, it's just a hard job, man. Like, it is such a challenge at all times every day. It's also hard when you can, as an adult, hear the narratives they're telling themselves.

Right. And know, like, ooh, that's not one you're going to want to tether to, right? Like the other day, my little one, he fell and he split his lip open. I know. It was gnarly. And he was like bleeding everywhere. We had to go to the emergency room. And my seven-year-old, Elliot, was like, I didn't do anything to save him.

I'm not a superhero. I'm a super weirdo. And I was like, wait, what? And he was hysterical over the fact that he didn't do anything to help his brain. brother, and he was taking that situation and turning it against himself. And I was like, whoa, this is like an opportunity right here to be like, Elliot. It's so hard because I'm like, you're making it about you, one. You know what I mean? Like, this has nothing to do with you. But then I'm also like, but it's also a teachable moment of like what we tell ourselves we experience.

That was a hard one. Like I have to give context because Elliott takes a on a lot more with Shepherd because of the circumstance, right? Yes. Shepard has, my little one has special needs. So he's, you know. Yeah. So Elliot takes on, it seems like a lot more. Like he has to do all the like.

Or his little brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because his little brother might need a little more, you know, attention, guidance, whatever. But then it's like hard to navigate. You're like, I can hear the narratives, right? Because we all do that. Like that's, we live our life based on our knowledge.

narratives. And so I'm like at this age, it's so important that they're not going against themselves. Yeah. Right. And but you also don't want to get in there and be like, let me brainwash you. Right. Or maybe we do. We got to be careful. But what do you do in those situations when you hear her taking on or your kids taking on those narratives? What do you do? What's your approach to them? This morning I said to her, I was like, don't you say that about my daughter? Oh, yeah. You know? I was like, don't talk about my daughter that way. You know? Which I think is just like waking her up. Like, hey, that's not okay to say that about her. Like, I love her. She's the best. Like, don't say that about her. That's really cool. I like that. I think I got that. Whitney Cummings said that to me the other day. Like, I did her podcast and I walked in and I was apologizing or something. Or I said, I'm a mess. She's like, don't say that about my friend. Oh, that's so good. So really, I have to give her credit. Like, I can't take all the credit because I was like, that's really good. It is good. I know. But we do that all the time. Yeah. I'm always hard on myself. I know. Same. I know. Like when you're saying like stewing, like you can't, I can't just move on from something. Me neither. So the point where it's like, oh, am I OCD, like, obsessing over this? And you have to be like, oh, it's okay, like to do these things, even if it's a mistake or whatever. And like the other person involved probably hasn't thought twice about it again. But it's just like how we torture ourselves. Oh, yeah. Self-forgiveness.

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the aspects of motherhood and being open and honest about your journeys. And I love that you're still breastfeeding, right? Yeah. I mean, I breastfed by her until she was three. And so people can like judge and you're like, dude, you don't, like, if you don't know, just don't, we don't need the comments. Oh, man. But they love to give the comments. I mean, I think it was like January 2nd and I posted a photo of me breastfeeding my two-year-old, two-and-a-half-year-old. And I was like, well, it looks like there's going to be more breastfeeding photos in 2023.

Yeah. And people were just like, oh, you know, whatever. And like, that baby, of course I got, like messages like that baby's way too old to be breastfed. What? I'm just like, okay. Like, what I don't agree with you. No. So when you read those comments and do you read all your like captions, comments, whatever or?

I read some of them because I want to respond. and be interactive for the fact that like we're also with the Mother Days podcast. Like we're doing a lot of communicating with people and like creating and building a community, right? So, but somebody wrote something the other day that was like, I think it's still on there too. But there was like a picture or something. Somebody said something about me breastfeeding. And I was just like, wow, this is a very pointed and judgmental comment. That woman.

Yeah, that woman. And I wrote that back. And I usually don't respond. I just ignore the comments, but this one was so, so heavily critical and pointed in judgmental that I wanted for everybody else that was there on the post or reading it to see that I'm like, hey, that's very judgmental. And it's not okay. It's not okay. Oh, for you to judge. So you just said that's very judgmental. Yeah, just like, that was it. I just said like that's very funny and judgmental thing for you to say. It was like so pointed. Was it about the breastfeeding or I think so. Wasn't it about breastfeeding? Yeah, it was about breastfeeding and about, oh, and people are like, don't show it, you know? And I'm just like, you can barely.

Don't show it. Barely see the skin of my breast. And I'm like the amount of women's boobies and booties and everything that I see on social media. And you can hardly see like a triangle of my skin that where my boob is that someone is drinking. And that's so intensely offensive to people. Like that is? I know. It's so fucking ludicrous.

It's so frustrating. The most natural thing that you can do gets criticized. What is wrong with people? What is that? If I put up a picture of myself in a bikini, no one is saying like, what are you doing? Right. Like your ass hanging out. Yeah.

No. You'd be like, oh, like flames like all of it, right? It's sorry. You're like, where's the flames for the breastfeeding? Like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. You know?

Give me that fire. Right? That's what deserves it. Yeah. Like, hello, my belly button is browning right now. Everything is moved down the body. Oh, the belly button. The belly button.

The bad belly button. We just had this conversation about the belly buttons. And so this morning in the mirror, I was looking, I was like, mine is frowning. Wait, what is that? Like, I was like, like, I could lift it. And I'm like, oh, now you can see inside of it. But otherwise, it kind of like, it's, hmm.

It's, yeah. I mean, you know. We all just pulled out our belly buttons, by the way. You're like, wait. I know if you go away. I tried to get my now, but I'm wearing a onesie. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, my God. Can I ask a question as far as moms go?

Sure. So this, I don't know why my heart feels really tender about this in this moment. I feel like there's so many women that want to be moms that can't. Oh, my gosh. And there's so many women that deal with fertility and miscarriages and. and all of these really deeply painful things. And then when they hear us, it hurts. And I want to talk to them.

Like, I want to hear how we as mothers include that and include them as mothers. Because it feels like almost like this kind of club that once you move the child you're in. And I feel like, I don't know why my heart just feels that in this moment. So I thought I bring it up. We feel the same way. And actually, when we were writing our book, the Zen Mama's Guide to Finding Your Path Through Pregnity Breath and Beyond, there was a chapter that we wrote and we put it into our editor and our publisher.

And the whole chapter was on pregnancy loss. And we talked about the different kinds of pregnancy loss because a lot of people don't know that, and we prefer to use the term pregnancy loss rather than a miscarriage. carriage, as we were saying, the wording of that to miscarry, it's putting it on you. It's putting it to something wrong. Yeah. Oh my God. It's such a good point.

You've done wrong. Right. Which for 75 to 85% of the time, it is just like a chromosomal abnormality. So we decided out of your control. Out of your control. Right. And it happens to 25% of pregnancies. So it's happening like one in four pregnancies.

Right. How common it is. It's so common. Uh-huh. And not until really. recently has there been a movement of people talking about it. But we, when we first handed our book in, a publisher was like, I'm not sure about that chapter. Because, you know, you go from talking about getting pregnant and fertility and then the next chapter is pregnancy loss. Like that's a little

bit jarring. And we're like, whoa, whoa, hang in a second. This is such a common thing that happens to people. Sarah and I have both been through it. In fact, Sarah went through a pregnancy loss as we were writing the book. Yeah. And she had only contributed to that chapter as like how to be a friend to someone who's been through it because I had been through it and Sarah hadn't. And then by the end, as we're about to hand in the final edit, she went through it. And she actually went back into the chapter.

She used it to help her move through her pregnancy loss. And then she thought, we re-edited the chapter to include Sarah's voice in it. And I will say, to this day, all the comments that we get about the book, we have had thousands of people just say, thank you so much for that chapter. I went through it and you walked us through the grief stage and you walked us through the different types and that there's still hope out there and what to do. Like the anxiety of being pregnant after you've had a pregnancy loss as well. Like week or week. Oh, the anxiety. Thinking that the same thing's going to happen.

Right. And like, I couldn't even breathe for the first 12 weeks of that next pregnancy. I was just, I, like, bought an at-home Doppler. I would be like, listening to the heartbeat. It brings, yeah. So I want to tell, like, I've experienced multiple pregnancy losses. Losses? Yeah.

I'm so sorry. And I, you know, and we've talked about, like, talking about it more. And I'm like, she, you haven't experienced it. And I'm like, it's easier if there's other people that have been through it. Yeah. Just to talk about it more openly because it just feels like. Like, I don't know. So it's so common, right? And I think there shouldn't be a stigma attached to it because so many people go through it. And I've had a perfectly normal, healthy pregnancy. And just because I've had these pregnancy losses, like, it doesn't mean that you can't. And there's like, oh, I don't know. You've had more than one. I don't know if you can do it. And like all the things that people put on you because you've experienced those things. But I think it's so beautiful that you included that because there's so. so many people that go through it. And a lot of the times, it's just natural, like you said,

Crohn's out. Some people, you know, might have other things involved and it might be more of a journey for them. But to be able to talk about it openly, I think is so beautiful. Well, there's just so much that opens up when you talk about it. And I think with anything, I don't think it was treated as something that's like, you know, you're like, okay, this is a grieving process. Like, you know, I don't think that it used to be looked at that way. It was more like, okay, we're not going to talk about that and then we're just going to try to get pregnant. Keep trying. Yeah. But I do think that, you know, in life without the lows, like, how do you experience the beautiful moments of the highs if you don't have those lows, right? And so I think you really have to embrace and sit in the grief.

And it was crazy because it was like I had had two children already. And when I went to the doctor, it was like eight weeks along or something, eight or nine weeks. And I brought my son with me because I was like, oh, we're going to hear the heartbeat today. And like, I'd already heard the heartbeat. So I was like excited to bring him back so he could be a part of it. And then the lady touched the wand to my tummy. And then immediately pulled it off and was like, hold on. I have to go grab the doctor really quick. And I was like, I looked at my husband and I was like, that's not good. And then he was like, no, no, no, it's fine. And I was like, no, I know that that was not good. Like she barely even, there was a flash on the screen and she knew. Wow.

And I, like, she left and then she came back with my doctor and my doctor, like, was asking me a couple of questions. Like, how have you been feeling? Have you had any symptoms? And I was like, yeah, everything, blah, blah, blah. So then he looks at me and he's just like, okay, well, the first thing I want to tell you is that none of this is your fault. Wow. But the baby's not, it's not going to happen for you. And with this pregnancy. And I was like, what?

And of course I'm like, my ears are ringing and I look over and I was like, oh my God, how do I say this? My son is there. And he's like, he was in the room for all of it. He was in the room. And I was like, he's here. What do I do? You know? And then I like, look at my husband and my husband turns to Wyatt and he's like holding

wine. And he's like, do you understand what's happening? And White was like, yes, I do. And the doctor immediately pivoted to White. He's an amazing doctor. And he died last year. I knew it was your doctor. He's so, oh, my God, he was the greatest angel.

But he, like, turned to my son and he was like, he was like, the baby doesn't have a heartbeat. He's like, but, you know, you didn't do anything wrong to me. He was like, and it's okay. Like, you know, this isn't going to happen. But it's okay. You can happen again. And he was just like so beautiful and so wonderful the way that he, like, held us all through that process. Oh, my God.

And so then I'm driving home. And I'm like, we're in the middle of writing this book. We're about to turn it in. And my brain and I'm thinking, I've now experienced this question mark. Like, I was like, is this happening right now? And I wrote Taz immediately. I think it calls her and said, like, this is what just happened. But I was like, I need to, we can't turn the book in.

I have to like contribute something and say like this has now happened. Like, this is my story. And I need your help because I was like, I don't even know where I'm at right now. like mentally. I remember that phone call. I was in my trailer in a corset and I got the phone and they were trying to knock on the door and I just was sobbing on the phone. You were crying. I was crying. Everyone's like, what's going on? And I'm like, I need a minute. And then I was like, you said, I'm going to read the chapter. I'm going to read the chapter. And she ended up reading I read the chapter that had just been written by Teresa.

And then I was like, okay, if this chapter means this much to me in this moment, then this, not only is it meant to be here, but it was meant to be here for me and for every other woman that's going to be going through this and this process. And it was just so raw and it felt like the universe was sort of like, yes, this was meant to happen. And then in that moment, it's like, yes, it's a grieving process. And it's okay to take those moments to grieve. Like, we should, by the way, in our country, like, there's so much with maternal health that does not happen the way that it should. But when someone experiences a pregnancy loss, they should be able to take time off work.

100%. 100%. And by the way, in other countries, you can. And there is that in place. But, like, you think about, I was lucky that I wasn't doing anything in that moment. And I could stay home and be, like, going through the process and crying when I needed to. And like, and you're all. also bleeding.

And you're bleeding. And you're bleeding. And you're doing. And did it happen naturally? I actually went and got a DNC. You did. Like three days later. Yeah.

And that... They often will give you a choice for those people who have not experienced one. If it does happen to you, typically in most cases, they'll say, we can let this happen naturally. And it may be up to a couple of weeks. Or you can have a DNC. And in both of us, we both had a DNC. You did. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they also have the... pills they can put you to help it move along naturally. Totally. Totally. And they explain everything to you. But the GNC was just, I was like, yeah, I think that's what I want to do.

And I loved my doctor so much. I know so many people who had him. So everyone who talked about him is like, loved him. Our friend, Nicole was like, I want to have more kids. No, she said, I can't have more kids now because he passed. She's like, I'm not doing this without it. We talked about that. I've thought about that for you, Sarah.

I was like, who will ever live up to? Oh, wow. It's going to be really hard. But I do, it's funny because we were writing out these things for the new year. And Teresa, she's like this master manifester. And I was like, what do I do? And I grabbed this journal. And I'm like writing in the journal and I'm writing out and following this thing that like

Laurelind Jackson does where she's like, write out who's on your team of light and ask them to send you a sign. And so the other night I was like laying in bed and I was like, I think I'm going to ask them to send me a sign of a red string. You know, it's just like so random. and I didn't know why that came to me. But I wrote out my team of light, and I actually wrote down Dr. Goldberg's name, and I was like, okay, wait, why am I? Like, as if he's on my team of light.

Like, he's got a lot going. He's got a lot of people, children that are still here, or side, like a wife, like he has work, a lot of work to do. But I was like, I couldn't help not write his name down. And as soon as I heard his name down, I started crying because I just, like, miss him so much.

And how can you be that connected? to someone, but he's been through the most, you know, intense moments of my life with me and guided Eric and I in this, like, beautiful way and sat with me, like, when my dad died and when I was all through my pregnancies and, like, asked me, like, how are you doing? Not just here, but how are you here? And, like, you know, he was just so that person. So I wrote his names out on my team of light and was just like, I don't know. Maybe you're busy. But if you're up there and you decide to pop in every now and then I'd love to have just like a moment where I just feel like you're there, you know? And maybe it's for that reason.

But oh, and then did you see a red street? I was going to say Rachel. Rachel has one right now. Wait, what? What? Oh. Oh, by the way. So do I.

Oh, got it. That took you a minute. You guys, because I'm wearing period underwear. I'm not using a tampon. You're right. You're right. You're right. That is so good.

The period underwear. Can you tell you? I cannot wear like full bone underwear. Like I have a really big problem with it. Yeah. But this period underwear has changed my life. It's so good. Oh, it's game changer.

And you feel like everything's just like coming out. I used it post-partum. You what? I really, I used it for post-partum. Yeah. Blood. Yeah. It's amazing.

So I just put them on every day for the six weeks after I gave birth. That's great. They're so good. No, they're so good. I don't know what it. It's some. crazy, I don't know, magic, whatever. But so, Sarah, how old was Wyatt when you went through that and in the room with you?

So he would have been, um, let's see. It was right before you got pregnant with winter. Yeah, I got pregnant with winter. The next month. The next month. That's what happened to me with Breyer. It was the next month after my miscarriage because you're supposedly more fertile. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, no, no. No, no, no. I like to change that. It's so good. But yeah, because you're more fertile.

Yeah, the next three months, they say you'll typically have high a fertility. So I think he was six because he was seven when winter was born. So he was six. He had just turned six. But another beautiful example of like, you're not lying, you're not hiding. Exactly. He went through it with you guys and he explained it. And I think that's amazing because so many times you'd be like, I'm going to take, you know what, you're coming out here with me.

And then that would probably raise more like concern and alarm in a child. child without not fully understanding what's happening. Yeah. Well, you're also teaching them in that moment not to trust their intuition. Because children internally know way more than we give them credit for. And if your son's in the room and the doctor said that they're going to get a signal inside. If we rush them out of the room and be like, let me show you this show. We're saying don't pay attention to that internal flag.

Yes. As opposed to being like, yes. this is hard and we're going to get through this as a family but it's like I feel like that was one of the biggest things I learned as an adult was that I was always taught my intuition was wrong because people are like don't look this way right and I feel like as mom I want to continually honor my kids intuition yeah 100% yeah that's really smart it is smart I know I think my initial reaction is always you'd be like no no no you don't need to know this to hear There's the, you know, to constantly protect.

But it's like, what are you protecting them from? Right. We want to give them the chops for life. Yeah. I know. Breyer needs some more chops. I'm like, she's way too sensitive. No.

No, but that's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a bad. Being sensitive is not a bad thing. No. It's a beautiful thing. So this is an example.

So I have a friend who's like so honest and open with, I'm talking, Brandy, with her child. And like, so we were out of water park. And I, I have like a cyst right now on my ovary. It's, it's not, like, it should go away. Yeah. But it's pretty big. And they're like, you can't do any, you can't run. You can't, like, do anything. It's painful, too. It can be. You had one? I had multiples before I got pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. So they can happen, whatever. So. And Briar, I'm like, Briar, mommy has a boo-boo. Like, I can't go on the ride. Like, that's my explanation. Brandi's like, she has an ovarian cyst that, like, could burst and she would have to go to the hospital.

She just like, explain it to her daughter in detail, you know? And I'm like, that's not me. Like, I can't. Because I think Briar would be like freaking out. There's something inside you that could like burst and you would have to go to the hospital. Like, I think she's just too much of like, I don't know.

Maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm not, I'm, maybe I need to like lean into her being able to handle things a bit more. But it's just so funny like the difference when she's like, yeah, she totally knows like every detail of what's going on with your upgrades. But maybe are you not giving. her enough credit. Right.

What? Rich was like, what? There's a bird. Like they tend to do that. Like what she's capable of. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think she could, you know?

And I just have gotten into that pattern of like, you know, I think. But we always explain that every family is so different and every family communicates differently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever you feel comfortable doing. That's right.

are very open with their kids. And some people are like, you know what, I'm going to leave a little bit more of that behind closed doors. And that's also okay. It's like you find your flow with what works for you. And if you don't want to share those things, then that's okay. Yeah, we're constantly explaining that, like, every family. Like, she was like battling me because some family was like, no, you don't have to use

a booster. I was like, no, we use a booster. Like, that is our rule. Same. And just like, arguing, are you arguing, arguing. And like, families are different. Yeah, that's right. And then her friend, Ruby's like, I think.

think that our parents just, I think our parents just want to be safer and protect us. Oh my God. Oh my God. It was so funny. Oh, my God. But yeah, it's just like, no, like these are the rules. Yeah. And they don't like them.

But it's just you have to be like everything's different. Even in like co-parenting, sometimes, you know, a mom and a dad might not have the same views on things. It's like, well, you know, your dad see something different. Well, yeah, you're a blended family. You're going to ask you because you've got a blended family. Right. We just did a really amazing podcast with Hilary Duff. She came on our podcast.

Oh, amazing. She was talking about her blended family. And I was like, I really love. Oh, right. Because she, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I really love seeing like the representation of that and how is your co-parenting relationship. Has it been smooth sailing? Yeah.

Are you asking? Yeah. Oh. It's a tricky topic, you know, because it's still, it's different. for me, like, I don't have blended family. I'm not in like another relationship, you know, so it's not trying to navigate like, oh, this is, I have another family or another child. Like, it's still just us and our kid. So I think it's a little different, you know, but there's certain things that are tricky to navigate if you might have a disagreement or, you know, but for the most

part, it's been pretty, I don't know if I want to say easy because it's never easy to like have to have like separate homes and do all that. But my. My daughter was so young when we originally separated that it's kind of all she knows. I was like that. You were like that? I was three. Yeah, when my parents separated. Yeah.

So I actually don't know them together. I don't know the life of them together. In fact, it makes me laugh. Like, oh, my gosh. So different. The idea of it. The idea. I mean, I can never have seen my parents together.

It doesn't even make sense to me. But, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know my parents are totally opposite. but they separated, they divorced when I was like nine. So I knew them together a bit, but there could not be more different. Which is so weird to even imagine those two together.

I know. It's the same thing. Yeah. But yeah, but yeah, for, you know, Briar, she was so young. And I think there is an advantage to that, you know. That's so true. What do you mean? Like you get a week off at a time.

I mean, listen. Sometimes when I'm like, Rachel, what are you doing? And she's like on her own. I'm like, oh. You're lucky. That's something that's not talked about because you don't want the mom guilt of like actually enjoying some alone time. But you should enjoy your alone time. I struggle with it.

Like I never put myself first. Like it's always her or somebody else. In the past. Oh yeah. You're trying to have me change that. She wants me to be more selfish. And that was like I said recently. Selfing.

Selfing. Selfing. I like that. I like that word. She has good ones. Like we don't want to use. Was it Lucy didn't want to use triggering? No.

No. No. I said to use activated instead of triggering. Yeah, yeah. Which I think I like that. Yeah, she has some good little dictionary over there. I'll be here all day. I'll be here all day.

Yeah, but it's hard to put yourself first and do things to take care. But self-care is so important, especially for anyone. Yeah. But like being a mom, it's hard to find that time. What do you guys do for yourselves for self-care or just, you know, trying to put yourselves first? I'm trying to think of the last time that I put myself. Right? No, we used to say, and we used to say, now that we have a few more children, I feel like I get to do this less, but we're always like, we have a non-negotiable.

So what is Marks, my husband, what is his non-negotiable? So for his own mental health and his well-being, he loves going in the gym. The gym is his thing. It's like his testosterone is flying. He's like, needs to get there. He needs to be pumping some iron. And that's his way to sort of regulate emotionally, I think. So he does that four times a week. And for me, I was like, my non-negotiable is I can lock the bathroom door because generally when I try and do this, one or two children will come in the bath with me. I just want an alone bath where I can listen to a podcast. It's typically true crime. Yep. I thought you were going to say broad ideas. Oh, sorry. It's typically broad ideas.

It's like, yeah, my own podcast. Can you imagine? Could you imagine? Just listen to my own voice over and over. No, I listen to mad, dark, true crime, like morbid. That's my thing too. I love it. What is that?

I love it. I like it. I don't listen to the true crime, but I like to watch it. You do? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mark thinks I'm crazy. He will, we always fight about it. He wants to watch a comedy.

And I'm like, ooh. gross. I do not want to watch a comedy. I want like, duh, I want murder, I want documentaries. I want, and he's like, I don't want to watch the Jeffrey Dahmer thing. I'm watching it. Are you right now? You're watching right now. Oh, gosh. I'm not. I figured out why we like it, though. Please tell me. This is my theory and you guys tell me if it fits. I think that it's, for me personally, it's so hard to do anything where I'm completely out of my head. Okay? So when I watch the murder mysteries or whatever, it spikes my anxiety to a point where I have to be so present to follow and try and figure it out that there's no thinking of other things. It's like the animal

body turns on and we're present. Wow. It is true. I love that. You can't think of anything else. You're so on edge. That's true. That's hanging on every detail. And that's why we love it because we're like, Yes. I don't have to think about... I've heard of so many different explanations. I've heard of people saying, I heard of this one blog that I read was like, it makes me feel better about my life. Oh, this is like, wow, that's really dark.

And then someone else is like, it prepares me for if something was to ever happen. I feel prepared. And I was like, I just don't think I can relate to any of those things. but that I can show up for a little bit more. Like maybe that's it. And I do feel sometimes like I can solve it. Yeah.

It's so crazy that I'm like, this is so close to being solved. And I will go down and try very hard. I'll be in like deep in Reddit and start coming up with theories. And I want to talk to my friends about it. And I have this text thread called the Mummy Murderinos, where we all listen to true crime. and we try and we like give theories. I'm not on that text thread. She's not.

She would have nightmares forever. I, on the mother days, it was Halloween. And I was like, oh, let's like interview a true crime podcast host. Yeah. Let's like do ghost stories. I'm so into it. I was like, I don't want any of it. She was terrified.

I was there. I mean, I sat there through it and I told the stories that I had that still freak me out. Wait, what? Oh, just like there's just always stuff. Like even right now, my daughter has, like, like two spirit dogs that are living in our house. And she's two. And she literally will like look over and be like, hubba, why are you doing that? And she's like fully talking to the, and then she's like, oh, oh, what? Haba, no, I told you. And then the other day it like bit

her finger. And she started crying so hard with like, hubba bit my finger. And I was just like, okay, whoever you are, don't freak her out like that. And then physical violence. physical violence. Yeah, it was just like so, so, so I'm like now at the place where I think they're, well, she told me they're animals. And then, so we've gotten to that place. And so I think they're dogs. And then, yeah, it's bizarre. But there's like weird stuff like that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I love it. I think I'm somewhere in between the two of you where I'm like super obsessed, fascinated need to be a detective solve it. Also scared shitless. Terrified. Like run through my house in the night because for sure someone's after me or like in my car when I get in like who's in the back

Oh yeah, because urban legends, that like movie urban legends did it ruin the, yeah, ruined the forever, forever. The little like, like, mirror, like, a mirror. You're always, I always check the mirror. I check the seat. I check everything because I'm like, yes, me too. Yeah. It's so terrible.

My little, my seven-year-old's been afraid of ghosts lately and he's like freaked out about ghosts. And I sat down with him and I said, listen, mommies wanted to see a ghost your whole life. I'm like, unfortunately, I have. I don't know. I mean, I can't see them. And like, instead of being like, there's no such thing as ghosts, I'm like, the truth is, I would love to see a ghost. Like I really wish that that was on the menu for me. Yeah. But it's not. What did he say?

He's like, you're weird. And he was, Jeff was like, she wanted to be a ghostbuster. I looked into a school to go to, to be a ghostbuster. Wow. And so Elliot's like, wait, you want to see a ghost? And I was like, I would love. So if you could find one. Oh, my goodness.

And point it out to me, that would excite me. So it kind of took the sting off of it. I don't like that. Because my son, Bodie's really afraid of. of ghosts. The boys have started to sleep. We finally got a house where everyone could have their own bedroom. And then of course, the boys like me in a bed together, like, afraid at night time. Like, guys, this is a brand new house. There are no ghosts here. There's zero chance for ghost here. They're still terrified. But I like that. That's a really good way of doing. I'm kind of

the weirdo that like I want to do ghost hunting. I actually looked into doing a criminology course. Yes. Because I was like, I want to be a detective. And then I was like, just as a sidebar, you know, I can do acting and podcasting and then also like detective work. But then tornado chasing is the other one. Tornado chasing. I told you that I grew up in Tornado Alley, right?

I know. And I'm so jealous. And I remember I was obsessed with Hanson and they grew up in Oklahoma. Yeah. And I was like, they're so lucky. Or I used to think, they're so lucky. They get to see tornadoes. That's what I used to think when I was 11.

Do you find that lucky? having grown up in tornado. Probably not. Now, that scares me. Tornadoes. Yeah. It was just like always a thing and we got used to it. I guess it's like in California, you're like, earthquakes could happen. Yeah. But we had a lot of tornadoes happen when I was a kid. And then like the really scary one that came through, I was home alone and all the doors and windows, I was like a preteen, but all the doors and windows in our house were like crashing open. And my dad was at the church because he was a pastor. And so I was trying get a hold of him and the lines were down. My mom and my brother were not home. And so I look out the window and my mom is driving up in a van with my brother and the van goes on its back two wheels up in the air

and then slams down and they get out and I'm like, and I'm trying to close everything. And I run out and my mom and we're like, let's run to the church. And we like ran to the church to go to the basement because it was the only place I had a basement. And we basically like I like hit out there. But like multiple times when I was babysitting kids, like there'd be like tornado warnings and we'd have to go down to the basement and like waded out and it happened so many, but I got used to it. Right. So it was exciting and but I wasn't terrified of it, but I did see a lot of devastation from it in our town. Wow. I loved the movie Twista. So yeah. I think that's way. I think that's so good. Yeah. I wanted a white tank top forever because of that. That's so funny. For sure. I was like,

she looks so hot. Like a lot of tithing top, right? Just chasing twisters. I think we all get off on like certain things and obviously movies like bring a lot of like adventure to it. 100%. You know, we're like, oh, I want to let's go to a dinosaur island. You know? No.

Not for you? Not for me. I don't want to do like the dinosaur or the tornadoes or twisters. Yes. I don't like the natural disasters. No. That freaks me out. Like murder mystery watching all day long, ghosts.

great. Nothing natural. Nothing natural. I like super natural. Yeah, me too, by the way. I'm interested in all of that. And I very much believe in the like everything that's going on on the other side and feel really connected to it. But some of it like that when it gets dark, it spooks me out. But when it's full of light, I like it. Yeah. You're like, I like the nice ghosts. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was trying to explain to my husband though, because he was like, why do you like the dark like ghosts and all that? And I'm like, because if I can grasp that that's real, it means all the light is too. And so I find it comforting. I'm like, oh, interesting.

My mom raised me like ghosts, they can't harm you. Like, you know, my mom's very into like spirituality and spirit and like all the thing. And she would always be like, they can't harm you. Like you're fine. Like they can't do anything, even if you see it, whatever. But she kind of like put it in my head that like nothing can happen. Is that true, though? That brings you.

I feel like they can. I was listening to Unsolved Mysteries podcast yesterday. I'm going to be traumatized now, Teresa. Do you know what? I was, I always listen to podcast when I pack and I'm about to go to Australia to finish shooting the movie that I'm shooting right now. Oh, with, who is that with? I'm sorry, I just forgot. He's in the notebook.

Oh, that's right. Ryan Gosling? Oh, my husband. Oh, my ex-husband. Sorry, my ex-husband. At one point, I was convinced you with my husband. as all of us were. I mean, we're sure.

Yeah. Noah in the notebook. No big deal. No biggie. Okay, go ahead. Keep going. So I was packing my bag. And I was like, well, naturally I've got to put on a true crime podcast.

And I decided to go with unsolved mysteries because I listened to it like absolutely every single other episode of every other true crime podcast. I was like, okay, this is a new one I discovered. You used to grow up watching it. And I decided to play one about ghosts, which isn't my usual pick. But I was like, I'm going to do this one. it was insane. Like what the polter guys, like, and it was physical attacks.

Yeah. It was like cuts. I don't like this. Yeah, no, I like it. Go on. It was like they would, this guy, they moved into this house and it was so insane. And he had four children. I was like, I have four children.

And like there was like a staircase at the back, but it was the servant's staircase. And it was this really old house. And they were waiting. up and things would be flying across a room and that glass would cut them and then they'd wake up and then have bruises and weird marks on them and like there was blood on the walls and like all this sort of stuff. And I was fascinated but my phone stopped playing it like right at the peak of the episode. Oh my God. And it just stopped playing it and it refused to play it again. So for the next hour I kept pressing play and it was just spinning around doing like the little

spinning wheel of death. But it'd play every, other episode. And I was like, why won't it pay the rest of this episode? And I was like, maybe this is my team of life being like, I'm not going to let you go there. Listen to any more of this because then it gets in your head. And I live in a haunted house in Australia. You do? Yeah. Well, how do you know? Oh, it's because of all the things. Insane. My cleaning lady quit because of the house. Tell them the story of the night that you heard the noise Oh my gosh, I almost forgot that shit. Now I've remembered, yes.

I was postpartum with Prairie. She was three days old and my husband had left the day before to go back to America. And so I had this three-day-old baby. It's really cold and like it's a very old house. It used to be a Mormon, that sort of church. It's this old big sort of like a cathedral ceilings, like big ceilings. And it's this old place. And so I live on this property with my, with my mom.

She lives in a little granny flat. But I had made her come into the house because I was afraid. So I was like, Mom, can you go sleep in the kids' room? I'll be in my room with the new baby. And I was sort of like half asleep, half awake. And then it was like, bam, bam, bam, like really loud on the door. And I was like, the door to her room. The door to my bedroom, my bedroom door.

And it's a very small bedroom because it wasn't set up as a house. So it's an office. Basically, I turned an office into the master bedtree, and then I built another room for the kids. So they've got the bigger room, and I've got this small bedroom. And so it was like, bum, bum, bum on my door. And I was like, oh, it's probably one of the kids knocking to come and sleep in my bed, which Poet often does.

She was two and a half at the time. So I heard it again, and it was like a loud bang. So I'm like, what is going on? Obviously, someone's panicked. I opened the door immediately, nothing there, absolutely nothing there. The only thing that was there was my daughter's tric. Nope. Was sitting there.

Nothing scarier than a little kid ghost. Okay, go on. It was just like the trike that I don't remember had, I didn't think it had been sitting there. And I was like, well, that's weird. I then later find out the story, not from my cleaning lady, but her name was Sarah. So,

hi, Sarah, my cleaning lady, in Australia, she had told my house sitter's why she didn't come back. So she would always finish around 6pm as it was getting dark. And she was always there on her own because none of us were home by then. So she would put all the toys off to the side in this big lounge area. And the trike would always end up rolling into the middle of the room. Nope. And it happened to her four different times. And so at first she would just go and put it back and then she'd like turn off the lights and she'd go to leave and then she'd hear

it and it was there again. So it happened to her four times total. She told my house sitters that that happened and she quit and she never came back. And then I heard that after the trike thing had happened to me and I was like, oh my God. Oh. It's haunted. And the other part of the story, too, is that when you heard the knocking on the door, you realized that that wasn't a child knocking. Oh, well, because it was such a heavy knock. Yeah. So poet, when she does knock on the door, try to come in, she's two and a half.

Yeah. So it's like a little itty-bitty child knock. And then after the fact, I'm like, it was such an aggressive, loud knock that it did not come from a child. And there have been other weird things like shadow, like a dark male shadowy figure that Nick my house sitter saw. And he was just staring at this thing. And he actually thought it was my, my uncle who, bless him. My uncle who's, who kept talking about how he was going to come into the property. And, you know, he's like got this connection with dogs. And anyway, It's a long story, but he was like, oh, Teresa's uncle made it onto the property,

and he's just standing there at the glass in the middle of the night, staring in and looking at me. So he was like, whoa. So he went to get something to be like, get out of here, like get off the property. And it wasn't my uncle. It was a shadow that he saw sort of turn and then disappear. No. Yeah. And you're not moving?

No, and she's about to go back. Yeah, I grew up there. Oh, you grew up? there. I grew up there. It was my dad's house. And him and my stepmom were like, oh, we don't really want to look after 10 acres of land anymore. We're in our 70s. We want to move. So they got like this amazing apartment in the city and they said, we're going to sell the place. And I was like, I want the property. So I bought it off my parents. Had they ever experienced anything like that? Yes. My stepmom had. But she hadn't told you before you bought it or with it.

She had had some things happened to her. Unfortunately, her children had passed away. So my stepmom had had some tragedy in her life, but she didn't think it was a ghost, or I think she was convinced. Other people were like, no, no, no, it was just because you were in a grief cycle. Oh, I see.

So I heard that, but then I have now said, oh, I think it was a ghost. Like I'm sure it was because we're having all this. this activity. So I do think she probably did see a ghost, but, you know, other people have said, no, no, no, no. It was just because you're in a hard place. I was easier to, like, sweep things under the rug and call it coincidence. But I actually just don't think there is, I think I'm in a place now where I'm like, it's not, there is no coincidence. It's like, things are happening and they happen and you either recognize

them and say, like, yeah, that's legit or you're, like, pretending like it doesn't exist. There's just so much unknown stuff in the universe. So true. We can all agree that we actually just don't know what happens. We don't know what happens when we die. Like, how do we know all the, like, intricacies of this universe and this planet? Like, we just don't. So that's why I'm just open to all of it.

I'm open to all of it. Would you do a clearing on the house? Like, have someone come clear the house? Or do you feel like it's a friendly? My husband does sage. He does sage. He, like, burns it. And he's like, I want to reclaim the space.

But he is not a massive belief. He sort of is open. Has he had any experiences himself? No. It happens when he goes. That's what's terrifying. Right. And maybe that's why my podcast stopped because I'm about to leave with the four children. I always bring the kids.

Yeah, I always bring the kids with me when I work. She's a warrior. She's doing one on her own. Wait. You're traveling by yourself. Are you flying by yourself with four children? So me and four children, but my mom is coming. Okay.

She's kind of like. my fifth child. Yeah. I get that. I love her so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she'll never listen. Don't worry.

Oh, she doesn't know how to even, she wouldn't even know what a podcast is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. She's, yeah, she will come and she'll help me like carry a bag or whatever, which will be great. And, um, but I like to bring the kids with me when I work. I'm the crazy person that. I get it.

Just leave. Same. Just leave. I always, yeah, if I bring, yeah. Like, they just all come with me. So, and we have a school in Australia and we have a school in America. Yeah, how does that work? Yeah, I was just going to say, how does that work?

Well, we have just found a school here. We didn't have a school in America for the longest time. Yeah. I'm also just like a paranoid person. I watched too much on the news and I was like, they're just going to school in Australia. They're only going to school in Australia. Right. But then I decided, like, they're missing out on a huge chunk of education.

when we live in America. And so we need to find a school. So we finally found this amazing school here that will offer online when you're away. So it's kind of an industry school. I think a lot of people in our industry, their kids go to this school. And the class sizes are very tiny. So like for instance, in my son's class, there's three. Wow.

And then the rest are online. So you can, and it's really good. great because they're pro rata as well. So we're not here most of the time. So, like, we just pay for when we're here. And then, really? Yeah. It's unbelievable. And my kids are, like, obsessed. I don't know if I will ever get them back to Australia. I keep saying, yay, Australian school. But our Australian school is much more traditional. This is, like, very progressive, very cool, all about self and love and mindfulness. And it's fantastic. And there are dogs on campus. They're like, dogs that they play with. And it's just like a different.

a really cool job. She drives like an hour. I was going to say if they actually physically go, that's a big commute. They physically go. But they get organic plant-based food made for them every single day, that they grow on the property. So the kids go there and like are just loving it because they're, you know, we're a plant-based family. So it's just been great for us. I don't have to make any more school lunches in the morning, which is the worst thing in the world.

we were talking about it. When they come back and you see their lunchbox and they've like eaten. Barely. Yeah. Just a portion of what you've offered them. It's, oh my goodness. It's a lot of lunches. So then they go online when we're.

That's really cool. Yeah. So then they don't even necessarily have to go to school in Australia, but the social dynamic I think is really important. And they love, like, Bodeon particular, has two very best friends at his school in Australia. So we're keeping that going. And the Australian school's very important.

very chill as well. They're like, come and go, whatever. Come, don't come. Yeah, they're like, when are you here? How many weeks a year? I'm like, oh, we'll be here for two weeks and then we'll leave and then we'll be back for another month and then, and they've been so great too. So the combination of both schools has worked really well for us. I'm so awesome. I love the idea of kind of a traveling band, you know, like my husband and I are like, will we ever root? I don't know. Like, would we want to go, you know, study somewhere else and live somewhere else. And I would want my kids to go everywhere I go. Yeah, same. I like the idea of that being available where you can take the education with you. I think that's genius. And it's all they know to my kids, because everyone's like,

wow, they really, their transition is so like easy and seamless, like going into this school and, you know, I was shooting a show in Melbourne last year and they just went to a school in Melbourne. Love it. And the teachers keep saying this to us, like, wow, we can't. And I was like, but this is all they know. Right. They haven't been in one school, you know, since they were five years old and they have their solid group of friends. And, like, most kids do have that experience.

Yeah. But because we've always just lived our life like this. Yeah, it's what they know. It's what they're used to. Yeah, exactly. But, like, for me, like, now she know that my daughter's older and, like, in school and her friends and everything, I find it harder. Like, if I'm offered a job in another city, like, I can't take her.

you feel the same, right? Because I know your kids is probably more traditional like in the same school. Yeah, exactly. And Eric's show has been shooting here for the last 14 years. Right.

So, yeah. And so like, what a blessing. Who gets to say that? I know. Nobody. I mean, he really won the lottery. That is insane. It's insane.

Wow. It's crazy. But yeah, I have the same. I go, we talk about this a lot, but I've had the same feeling too where I'm like, it's hard because they love their school. And there are teachers and their friends and everything.

So I do kind of bump up against like, it's hard to pull. Because I'm like, oh, I know that this festival is coming up. And they really love this time of year when this happens. Yeah. You know. Yes. And so I actually did go and shoot a show in Toronto. And I flew back and forth every week.

Oh, my God. And I was like, it was absolutely insane. It's insane. And I was like, it was either I was gone for 24 hours or four days, but then I had like, I can't go longer than five days. And so that I would just be. be on so many flights every single week for those months. And then I was like, oh, that, that didn't work for me. No. And but there's not a lot of options if you are, yeah, like in L.A.

Which is really hard. But I'm calling it. Just cooling a show. Yeah. Like, just manifest it, right? Yes. I know the same as you. And I had to like, you know, not do something because it's the kid, for me, she is number one. So I'm like, I know. I can't take her away now. Now that they're at this age. Like when she was three, we went and did whatever. And she was fine. And my mom came and it was the same, you know. But it's really, I don't know, I, I, it's, yeah, I mean, we can't really complain. Like, oh, what TV show are we going to like, we can't go and do a show? You know what I mean? It's just sound like that. But yeah, what it comes down to is just putting your kids first. And it's so important. They love their. Yeah, exactly. And if my partner, you know, was like, if he wasn't working here or if he had more flexibility or like whatever that was, that would be different too. Sure. You know, like we would, we could do a little, yeah. We've even talked about like one day, like when the show isn't happening, like, will we, will we be a traveling band and like go and do something?

And like, even that, you know, there's like that whole comfort crisis thing where you're like, but I'm so comfortable here. So it's like, what is my, what am I comfortable doing? Like, could I just jump in and be like, okay, I'm going to do. I'm probably just going to call. I'll call Tess and be like, now what? You know, like, come live in my haunted house. Yeah. I know, but I do love that.

Me too. I mean, of course, my fantasy and dream is like absolutely, like, travel all the experiences and, like, take them. And, you know, I think it's beautiful. Yeah. But it's also like, you know, and then you're in this pattern. I've even questioned because my son has gone to a different school every year. Because he went to one school for preschool, then we moved. Then he went to another school for preschool.

Then we moved. Then he did kindergarten. and we moved first grade. And he's like, can I stay here? Right. And I was like, we'll talk about it. Because I'm almost like, maybe we move him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe we don't let him root because what if we, I don't know, it's like this weird thing. I'm afraid of rooting. Because then I'm like, then he's going to get like that core roots in and never want to leave. Like I almost feel like it would be better to just keep moving. Mm-hmm. Is that crazy? Mm-hmm. No, I'm kidding. Mark and I are in a season right now where it's like, we have up-leveled, so we're like, we are chasing the work. Like, wherever the work is, we're going to go and we have gotten really good at creating a home wherever we are.

Yes. I was based in Wales and we were all together. So it's like we set up our little home and we found our favorite restaurants. I love it. We found the flow and we had this really great little school that the kids went to. And we have lifelong friends in Wales that when we go to London for a work thing, we're going to drive three hours down to Cardiff and go and see our friends. And, you know, we're like one of our friends that we met their three kids. We're all going to meet and go on a ski trip together next year.

So that's our general idea with it is we are the traveling band. but you can still find that home feeling wherever you are. You can still sort of root for that period of time. But you're also lucky to have a partner in that. And also multiple kids because they can play together. Yes, that's true. You know, like you have your whole, you kind of have a whole thing set up. Multiple kids, you're so right about that.

Yeah. Because I've talked to other people about this and they're like, I have friends who only have one child and he's the same age as Bodie. and they're like, yeah, it's not the same experience for him. Because he's lonely when, like, the mom goes to work and is shooting, like the son's just like, oh, what are, like, I don't really have any friends here. I don't have siblings to play with.

Yeah. So for them, it makes way more sense for, like, my friend, she'll go off and she'll shoot something and then she'll come back to her husband and her son. I think the pandemic really put that into, like, perspective. Nature focus. Yeah, no siblings. I was like, oh, I. am your friend, your mother, your like everything. Yeah. And I was like, I can't, I can't play anymore.

I'm going to lose my mind. But it's true, you know. You call her a man, what do you call? Master, Manifester. I want to know why. How and what? Well, actually, I do feel like she has spent a lot of time really studying manifesting and like practicing it. And so I call her that because she, last year, she has, we love this stuff, by the way. Live for it. Okay. I went to spirit school. Oh, did you go to the one in Santa Monica, USM?

Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, lots of my friends win. We love this stuff. And I think, like, Taz, you know, she's had this manifesting journal thing that she's done for so long. And so all these things started sort of happening for her that she was calling in. And we would always talk about them. And we would be like, okay, this, okay, this, okay, this.

And as they were sort of happening, I'm like, whoa, like, you wrote that down. This was in your journal. This exact thing. It's so specific. Like, holy crap. And so then now that some of these things are kind of coming up that she's done, now people are reaching out to her, including myself, and saying like, okay, could you just write this in your journal for me?

I know. I fully started doing that. But I'm learning from her. So I'm calling her like a master manifest because I'm learning. And I'm like, okay. this is what I'm going to do. And it's not like I want anything, you know, it's not like, oh, I'm at this place where I'm like, oh, I need all these things to be different. I'm just like, I've never even thought about it before. And now I'm going, for me, I've always been the person that's like,

I'm fine. Everything's fine. Like, I'm just going to go with the flow and like, whatever happens. Like, I don't want to put too much pressure on anyone. Like, that's how I've been. Right. But I'm also like, actually, I think I'm going to be a little bit more specific about, because there's always been things I've been specific about, like when I wanted a child, very specific about when and how and what gender and like all the things, right? And so then like, you know, there are things that were specific that definitely happened exactly the way that I was sort of going, oh, that's a coincidence. And then I realized like, no, that's not a coincidence. Right. And even just recently, I had this other thing where we were talking about coincidences where I was like reading this book,

signs, which is so great. I'm barely into signs. And it's talking about like asking for signs, you know, from people. And of course, for me, it always comes back to my dad because I only just lost him in the last like six years. And so I was like, oh, gosh, I don't know what sign I want to ask my dad for. But maybe it's this or maybe it's this, you know, and I'm sort of like going to bed. And then I realized like, oh, oh, no, I have to send an email to Taz about our podcast. And so I jumped out of bed. I was breastfeeding and jumped out of bed. I was breastfeeding. I got it, go to my phone, grab my phone, and my phone is, it was either my phone or my computer, my computer, sitting in like 2006 or 2004, my email.

What? It's just sitting in it. And I'm like, that is so weird. I had done no searches. There's nothing in the search engine. My email that I just popped up. And I was like, that is so strange. And so I, like, start scrolling through the emails.

And I was like, oh, that's so strange. It was like a picture of Eric and I from back in the day that I had sent to my dad. And it was like, oh, wow. And then there's this email that's yellow, like what spam would be. Yeah. It's yellow, but it says my dad's name. So it's highlighted. It's like my eyes are drawn to it. And so I click on the email. And it says, hi, Sarah. I've been trying to reach you. Call me, dad. My God. And I was like, okay. Oh, fuck. Okay. That's that. That's, oh, fuck. That's the sign. So me questioning like these coincidences versus sign. versus whatever it is, like manifestation, like calling things in. This was that moment where I was like, I had just seven pages into this book and was like, is this stuff legit?

Is this? Are there quinces? Should I be specific? All of these questions. And then I was like, okay. And I wrote Laurel & Jackson on her DM and I just told her about it because I don't know her and she's completely unattainable. She wrote me back within 20 minutes and was like, that 100% is your sign.

And I was like, oh my gosh, everywhere. Everywhere. So anyway, we love the stuff. We love it. And yes, please tell us about your master manifesting. Well, I didn't know what it was called, but I realized from a young age that I had been doing it because I would write daily journals. So it was such a big thing when I was like from 14 to 17, every single day I would write in. in this journal. And I would write it without realizing, I would write it like this. Like,

I am a famous actress. I am represented by William Morris Agency. The same agency is Nicole Kidman, who was the most famous Australian export. I was like, Nicole, you know, I am this. And I've got these pages, these big pages in my journal that I look back now. And it's so wild. They're the most treasured things to me that I still have them and I read back on them. And to see so many things that came to fruition that I was planting the seeds for at this age and whether or not you believe in manifestation and manifesting, even taking inspired action when you can figure out what it is your big dreams are, even just like the process of breaking it down into, these are the things I want. These are the things I want to call into my life.

Like, you will start to take measured steps towards that thing. And I did that. I was living with my mom who has schizoaffective disorder. So for people who don't know what that is, it's like bipolar, but with some schizophrenic tendency. So it was just me as an only child with my mom and we lived in government housing and we were on the, I remember, like, I would sit in the front room and there'd be semi-trailers going past my room. It was like, like, the whole house would shake. So all my journals, I would say, like, I'm sitting in the room and, you know, this is what my house is going to look like. I'm going to live in L.A. and I'm going to be in Hollywood and I'm, you know, all this stuff. And when I was 16, I wrote an email to William Morris Agency, which is

hilarious that I did this. And of course, like, it would have gone to someone in, like, the mail room who would have been like, whatever. And I was like, hi, my name's Theresa Palmer. And I'm really interested in acting and I want to be represented by you guys and you know whatever. So I remember writing that and just like expecting a reply. I was just like, well, this is just naturally going to happen. It didn't, obviously, I didn't hear back from anyone. But of course, like four years later, my opportunity to be represented by William Morris ended up coming to me. And I ended up getting signed with Nicole Kidman's publicist. And then I was like, absolutely. William Morris and all these crazy things. Like I was in, this is how this happened for me.

And this is like around the time that I met Rachel, this was just in the flow of all this happening, was, I was in a student film when I was 18, this other 18 year old guy, he directed it. And we doork to get money. I did my own hair and makeup, like this little student film that I saw up at this agency, local agency that I decided to be in. And he cast me in the this, we did it, and it ended up premiering at Cannes. Oh my God. The most inset. Like, I've never had a movie at Cannes since then. My very first film I was ever in, as an 18-year-old, it premiered there and we got this 17-minute standing ovation and it just like cracked open everything. Wow. But that's like, in my head, I was like, that's not, now I look back and I have the perspective,

of like, these things don't happen. Like, that is unbelievable. But of course now I've done the work. I'm like, oh, wow, I manifested so much in my life that I'm going to keep working towards. And in my experience, it's all about being very specific with wording. When you journal, you are writing as though it's already happened. That's right. With my husband, I'd been in and out of these relationships, and I had been dating

people who I liked, but they weren't quite right. I was always looking for my husband. I was like, I want to have babies. You're always looking for your baby daddy. Who's my baby daddy? Who's my baby daddy? Yeah, you're like, who is my baby daddy? And then I decided just to write out 10 pages of who he was.

And I wrote it, I had done this two years prior, and I'd wrote this out. And I wasn't specific with the wording. And in fact, I had done something that is like a big no-no in the manifesting world, which is, for instance, I wrote like, my husband is like sexy and hot, but he doesn't have a big nose. My, or whatever it is. Yeah, not in the negative. You say the not.

Like, you're not supposed to put the knot in there. And I was like, my husband is like cool and edgy but not damaged. My husband is, you know, whatever. And so I ended up manifesting this boyfriend at the time who like was all the amazing things that I wanted. but then also all the things that I was like... Oh, the butts? But wait, he's all those butts as well. So I kind of learned my lesson

and I decided to write it just all in the positive. Like, he is this and he is that and he is an animal lover and he wants so many children. And he's like a cancer, because that was always my sign that I would, I loved guys that a cancer is like deep feeling, you know, sensitive dudes. Always my thing.

And he came my way. And like from that moment, I've just been doing it with everything. I journal. I do boards. Even her house. Her house that she just recently moved into was manifestation. And she walked through the house and was like, this is my room and this is this.

And by the way, so incredibly wildly out of budget, like unbelievably out of budget that I was like, I'm doing this for manifesting purposes. Right. And I went into each room and somehow. some way we manifested the house. I love it. We got the house, like the price dropped and the bit. Like we just threw an offer at it, which is just so not. We had to sell our house to be able to get this.

And they accepted the offer. And then I wrote down, and we had to get for our house something way more than what our house was worth. And I wrote the number on my blackboard. And I just wrote it. I wrote it down. And we got exactly that number in our bank. And we transferred it straight over to the house. And it was exactly like to like the last thousand dollars that we needed to be

able to get the new house. It's bananas. It was bananas. I think we just need to be around. My husband and I have done that for every house. You know what you're doing. No way. Yeah.

Every house we've ever had, we do a little heart in the middle of the page. And I am. And then we do a spoke. I am living in a house that has X, Y, and Z. I am living in a home where I feel part of the community. We do it verbatim, verbatim. The last house we got, we said, I want it to feel like our, oh, no, we're living in a house that feels like our wedding. And no one would know what that meant unless they were at our wedding.

Yeah. And when we walked into the house, the first thing we saw was this botchie ball court, which was the first thing you saw when you walked into our wedding. And we looked at each other and we're like, holy. Oh, here. Yeah. Yeah, we also manifested a house in our backyard in Granite Bay. Are we in your house right now? This is Rob's house.

Oh, okay. This is what my wedding felt like. Did you not see the Butchy Ball? Where's the But I have a very important question on the manifesting because I've been working on this for many, many years. And I feel like there's been so many grand, you know, examples of things I've manifested. there's some that I haven't yet. I always say yet. Yes. Right. But what in your life, when it's come to manifesting, where have you had to give yourself permission where you don't think it's possible? Or what are you doing those circumstances? Does that make sense?

I feel like the art of manifesting, so many people that I've talked to, like, it just doesn't work for me. And I was like, all right, you can never manifest from a place of lack. Right. You always have to be in a place of the first, the number one key is gratitude. Such gratitude for what you presently have. And I am my husband's baby mama, who's one of my very good friends, Frankie, she's like, you're just always like, you're just sunny and optimistic. And I was like, I will say that by default, no matter what, I've always been a positive person. So I know that that helps me with the manifesting because I am positive by nature. But you need to always be feeling like, I have everything I need. I have everything I need. I have everything I need. I'm also calling in this and that and whatever and then letting go.

So I don't care how big it is. Like me manifesting the house, I was in a place where I actually, I was lying. I remember we had just seen the house that day, which seemed so massive, like such a massive manifestation because of the price, that I was lying next to my son and they were bo-dy and poet and forest were all sharing a mattress on the floor in our old house in our like basement that we had turned into this weird sort of indoor playground. You remember that room? Well, which was like off from the pool.

It was like not really meant to be a bedroom, but we had so many kids and it became the bedroom. And I'm lying there and, you know, my son had the stars like up on the ceiling and it was making this like janky noise and I was like all is perfect. I have everything I need right here, these beautiful children, my husband, this like a roof over our heads. I'm so grateful. And I remember I was like at the peak of happiness and I just let go. And then things started to happen with the house and I was like, oh, oh, I see what's happening here. And the whole time my husband was like, oh my God, we're not going to have enough money and oh my God, we need a, I just, we're not going to be how to sell the house.

Like, he is, his default mode is more like stress and anxiety. So it seemed like it wasn't going to happen, but I was actually totally okay with it. I did not care. I was like, the house is beautiful. And even the process of getting this house, this current house ready for the sale, like, it's addressed any of the little issues that I had. And I was like, oh, we can make this a bedroom. And I just felt so good in general about everything that I'm sure that that's how

the biggest thing manifested for me. It was like, it's such a mindset thing. And one of, like, I've manifested my kids as well. And also I had boy, boy, girl, girl, which is always what I had written that I wanted was boy, boy, girl, girl. And next, I really want to call in twins. Oh, my God. Are you okay?

And then one more after that. Yeah. Is that right? You want more. I hate my magic number. Anyway, whatever. I know it's afraid. My nana had eight and she was always like, you're going to have eight. Holy moly. I know. It's weird. I know it's weird. I know it's weird. It's beautiful. It's actually really incredibly beautiful. It's weird. It's rare. It's rare. It's right. It's unique to this time. Right. Even now, like if I'm saying out loud, like I want to have four kids. I want to have one more kid. Oh, people are like, uh, what? And you're the reason why overpopulation is a thing. And I'm just like, okay.

No, no. My kid's going to save the world. Yes. Totally. Don't. Not a trip. Not if you're raising conscious-minded beautiful children who are going to make a positive impact on the world. But anyway, I will say that there's one thing that you can do every day and that is to get up in the morning and like make a mental note of all the things that you're grateful for. And it really does set your day so differently. Yeah, for sure. And to feel it. And one of the things that I think is the most important is finding bridges.

Like, because when it comes to manifestation, if you, it has. It has to be like, I always forget the statistics, but like 60% believable. You have to have one part of you that believes it's possible. That's right. Right? And so it's about finding the bridge to, you know, okay, maybe it's not I'm calling in a movie with Tom Cruise. Like that might not be believable. I know, she did that.

But my consciousness might not think that's believable. Right, yeah. Right? So mine might be, I'm, you know, calling in a movie. you with Rob. Yeah, there you go. That's my bridge, right? And so I do think that it's about stretching just far enough that we can like have one

sort of hope that it's possible. Yeah. If you don't feel like you can get there with the belief, then for sure. But like I would say a lot of the people that I like listen to podcast wise, I'm obsessed with manifesting podcasts as well. they like figure out a way to believe your biggest dreams no matter how big they are. Yeah. How can you feel it in your body?

Tony Robbins? As though it's happened. There we go. I'm obsessed with Tony Robbins. He's so great. She's the best. I love him. I think he's so great.

He's so high vibe. Have you done the priming videos? No, it happens. Oh, I love them. They're so good. They prime you in the morning so that you feel your biggest dream every morning. Oh, wow. back into that. I love that. Well, I always say to my husband, like, because he has a tendency,

like, he grew up in, you know, he was a homeless kid in Philadelphia. He grew up in the skid row of Philadelphia called Kensington. So like, my husband's been stabbed in the back. He's had, he's like had crazy life experiences and was a homeless boy. So his conditioning and his childhood trauma means that oftentimes his default is to be in a place of like fight or flight. And like, what's going to go wrong? There's anxiety and there's worry. And it's so hard because he also is a huge manifester and he's the one that teaches me. I always say dreams work.

He was lying in a building, an abandoned building when he was about eight years old. It was freezing cold, you know, winter Philadelphia. And he was looking up at the ceiling and there was a crack where, the snow was coming in, but there was a star that he would always look at each night. And he remembers seeing the dream works, you know, Stephen Spielberg's. The logo. And he used to think that it was dreams work. So he would look up at the star because he wanted to be an actor and he would be like,

dreams work, dreams work. I know. And he got out of his homelessness. He, like, got an amazing agent. He just, like, this kid that, and so for anyone who's like, well, you know, you have privilege, like, you have privilege, being a white person, being, I'm someone who was raised in Australia, I have privilege. And Mark, he was also privileged, but he was living on the streets.

Yeah. He had no money. He was in the most impoverished neighborhood ever. His mom still lives there. Even though, by the way, we help her. She lives in this community and she wants to stay in the community and help the community. That's her calling. But he pulled himself out of that place and he worked very hard and he's now in a beautiful,

wonderful place. But yeah, so it's, it is about mindset and sometimes he will fall back into the place of like, I'm worried, I'm afraid. But we always tell each other, let's be grateful for the fact that we get the privilege of living one more day, even just waking up in the morning. not everyone is afforded that opportunity. True. So I guess that's kind of it.

And if you want to dive further into the work, this woman that we interviewed called Stephanie Keith, she has this incredible podcast called The Law of Attraction Tribe podcast, which is one that I listen to all the time. And then there's also the Law of Attraction changed my life. That is another podcast that I love, love, love. She's very funny, too. She's very funny.

Yeah. I think we all need a little re-program. Even you saying like we get to live one more day. My mind automatically goes to, oh my God, like I could die tomorrow. Like my anxiety is like everything it brings up for me. But the one other thing I wanted to talk about mindset-wise quickly was when you were talking about your manifesting in the house and everything else, a lot of it has to do with surrender and acceptance.

Because I feel like that's the place you got to where you were like, I'm actually great. Exactly. I'm surrendering. I'm not going to obsess like, no, I'm manifesting this. I need this house. They were like, they don't want manifest. It will manifest. You can't hold on to it.

That happens to me all the time where I'm like worried, worried, worried. And I'm like, no, no, I'm going to surrender to this. That's right. I accept this. And then we're almost like instantly what you're like looking for or searching for like is, you know, is affirmed or whatever. And it's just so fascinating. And the universe like takes and puts these little nuggets in front of you, right? So it's like, you know, you talk about sometimes how you get an idea.

And like Stephanie talks about this on her podcast, but like you get an idea. And then we're like, okay. I'm going to deal with that later. And it's like, no, that is the moment that you need to do whatever that is. Right. That moment, like, that happens to me with the book where, like, I was breastfeeding and I got this idea and I just started, like, writing it. And I wrote the whole thing on my iPhone.

And I was like, whoa, whoa, that was weird. And it was like a download from the universe. Like, it happened. I was like, well, what am I supposed to do? What is this? Like, what am I supposed to do with this? And then, like, I sent it to my agent was just like, she'll probably laugh at me, but whatever, you know?

And then she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can write kids books, okay. And then she was like, oh, my God, what is this? You know? But just like you get a nugget. Right. And then you're, do you go, I'm afraid of that? Or I don't, I don't think. Or you lean in.

Right. And if you are afraid, you should lean in even more. Exactly. Exactly. Right? Because that's also bravery. It is. I love what Elise Maas said.

Like, we can do things that scare us. Yeah. Because if you do it scared, then you're being brave. You are. And you can survive anything as far as insects. Not like, yeah, not like tornadoes or like necessarily, but like, yes. Anything. We like to do something a little fun to like, you know, round it out.

Yeah. Do it. So, you know, you guys are so awesome. We just like to pull random ass cards. Random ass cards. Okay. I'm going to start off with, would you let your best friend breastfeed your baby? Yes.

Oh, totally. And I've done. Have you guys done it? Yeah. You two? I have. Oh, no. I haven't breastfed any of yours, but my best friend cat breastfed my son when I had to take the other one to the hospital.

I was like, just breastfeed him. That's beautiful. I love it. And she was my daughter. I love it. That's so rad. We used to have Elliot mine go up to your boob and he'd get right to her nipple and then he'd not take it. Oh, really?

And Rachel would be like, and I'd be like, just let him, just let him. I know. I'd be like, I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can. And he'd come like right up to it. And then he'd stop. Yeah. She was down.

I mean, if I had to, I would. Yeah. That's really cute. I breastfeed your kids, sir. I know. I had breastfeed yours too. Okay. Okay.

Don't you feel like, I mean, was it Selma Hayek who just was somewhere and just put the kid up? Put that a little bit. Yeah. I feel like, I want to. I still want to breastfeed. I'm not breastfeeding anymore and I miss it terribly. Oh, I'm breastfeeding two at the moment. See, I love that.

See, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. When you're doing three. Is that we said? Two tandem, yeah. Yeah. Good for you.

I love it. Let's see here. Let's see. If for some reason you could not have sex with your husband for the rest of your life, would you let your best friend service him? Service. Service. Oh, service. Pleasure him.

Oh, would I let my best friend, can't he just doing himself? He can. Yeah. That's why the question's there, I guess. Sarah's like... What would you do? Yeah. Sarah's like, no.

I'm like, hmm, I get, there's moments when I get wobbly about these things and then there's other moments where I'm like, that'd be hot. I don't know. Like, I feel like there's a way to make it kinky. Oh, no. Well, would you watch? If you want to, you can do whatever. I mean, this is your fantasy.

So down with this. Like, I'm sure he would be so down. Who's husband? wouldn't. Yeah, I know. I know, right? Can you imagine has me like, I just, I can't do that. I just, I don't know. It just feels weird to me, you know. There's moments when I'm, like, so, like, territorial. And then there's other moments where I'm like, I don't know. Like, in my third pregnancy, I was like, just like, who's up to fuck my husband? Yeah. I was just like, hormonally raging. I was like, down for it all. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I know. Okay. Would you have sex while your baby is in the room? I've done it. I was going to say, you probably have. Right. Yeah. Most parents have. I'm not sure how you don't do that. Yeah.

Especially when he car sleep as well. It's like you're just sort of shoved them over a little bit. Do you believe in platonic relationships? Do you think men can have platonic relationships with women and not want to have sex with them? I do. My husband has, like, and he always has had multiple. And I think that's probably where I got wobbly at the beginning of our relationship was that he was just so, comfortably friends with like ex-girlfriends and with women and whatever and I was always kind of like

like I couldn't put put it all together in my brain but then like it I just got so used to it and now I'm like that's that's him like he's really good friends with one of my friends yeah Nikki Nikki yeah and I'm like they have their own thing and it's great I agree yeah yeah I have friends that are it's platonic like it it is so like I don't have have that many guy friends. I know. I was just trying to think. I don't think I do either. I feel like I like had a friend breakup recently with a guy who was a friend of mine. Yeah. Who I was on the show with, I Discover Vitchers, and he just hit me up again. But I still feel like my husband would be like, oh, you're messaging him again, are you? Right. And I'm like, but what? No. But I just don't. I don't really have that many male friends.

Well, honestly, I feel like it's How do we have time? Yeah, that is true. We have so many kids. So many kids. And I love my girlfriend. Yeah, same. And I get so much from my

female relationships. Oh, yeah. Like, I get why men want to have Platonic friendships with women. We're amazing. Yeah. I didn't. You know, but yes, absolutely.

Okay. What's the weirdest kink or fetish you've experienced in your dating life? This was obviously a very long time ago. Sarah started to swear. No, I'm just trying to think because I really didn't date much. Because you were married really early.

Yeah, really young. And then Eric. I don't have a weird kink or fetish. No, no. Theresa, I feel like you definitely do. I mean, she knows some of the people I dated. Oh, well, I, there was a tie up in a closet in a little French maid outfit. What?

What? Okay. But a little z-z. That sounds fun. That was fun. 2008, that was. Okay. Not with anyone that we mutually know. I was going to say. I don't think I would know with the one, for sure. No. No. The reason I have, you know, a common thing.

A shared a lover. Is that what we call it that? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. He was, like, he was your boyfriend, though. He was. Yeah. I guess he was my boyfriend. He didated him. No.

He was my boyfriend after it. Yeah. He was my, it was wild. He was my boyfriend when you were doing Jumper. Right. You guys had broken up during Jumper. Yes. Yes.

And then I started dating him. And so I, but I had met Hayden on Jumper. So it was this weird thing. And that whole thing is so bizarre. So bizarre. I can't believe we didn't even get into it. Anyway, when you come on our podcast, we'll have to talk about it. Yeah, because we all three have Doug Lyman in common too.

We do. Which is wild. Yes. Who I'm obsessed with. So I'm obsessed. I love him. I know. I know. Yes.

Love him so much. So funny. Yeah. So funny. But that wasn't the fetish. Well, he was not the fetish. No, he was not the fetish person. No.

We can both. I'm very like not super kinky. So that was like a big mind blowing. Like, oh, was it fun for you? It was just eye opening. I was like, I guess this is what people do. And so. I just kind of went with it.

I love it. I know it's really funny to go back and I'm like, oh my God. My husband, like, cannot believe that that was a part of my past. But he loves hearing the stories. Yeah, I bet he loves hearing the stories. He was like, oh, my God. What is that? I think it's so fun.

I grew up so religious that, like, I mean, I was such a hardcore. Yeah, preacher's kid that, like, the idea of I couldn't. Anything. Yeah, I was just like, I'm supposed to go to Victoria's Secret by, like, an outfit. And then, yeah. I married. And then, like, I married someone who's, like, couldn't care less about any of that. He's like, you look a hat in a t-shirt.

And I'm like, great. Cool. And I don't buy any of that stuff. Yeah. Right. You know. Oh, my God. So on that note, our last thing we play.

Mary, Barry, one night stamp. Yeah. Mary. Oh, Mary. It's Barry. Barry. You know, it's. Yeah.

Got it. Okay. McColley Culkin. Mark Wahlberg. Riz Ahmed Oh, I love him He's from the show that I loved The Night Of

Oh yeah, that was such a good show I want to marry him Yeah I'll marry him Wait, who is the second one? Mark Wahlberg Oh, oh, okay So it's Mary Barry

What's the other thing? One Night Stand Mark Wahlberg I guess would be my Mary and then Barry would be I'm calling on again same oh no I have no idea

I don't know any of these people and then the other and then what is there one-night stand oh yeah and then the he's a gorgeous that guy I'll marry him I'll do that

I want to marry Riz and a one-night stand Mark Wahlberg I used to see him at church when I used when my mom would make me go to church

every Easter I would see Mark Warburg at the church of Beverly Hills I know Catholic Church. Yes, he would go there. I remember seeing him. And then I guess that means I'll bury poor old McColkey, McColkey. McColkey. McColkey, Colch, Colch. He's going down. But I feel bad

because he's such a huge thing in our family because we watch, sorry that we're burying you, McCulley. Yeah, we're not really, we're not really barring. We love your movies. No, no. You're an icon in my household. Super icon. Yeah, total. Big time. This was so much fun. And I love, how open you ladies are and how we were able to, it was just been so awesome and happy to talk to you and see you again. Yes, you too. You know, it's just so crazy to think how long. It's just, I know. Really puts things into perspective. You're like, oh, that's true. How old am I? Going to be 40 this year. I'm 36. You're 36. You're going to be 40 in September. That's so exciting. Yeah. September. It's pretty awesome. 28. That's my son's birthday. Really? Oh, my God.

He's a Libra. He's a Libra. I'm a Libra too. Oh, my gosh. Wait, it's Elliot. It's the Libra? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It makes sense. You were talking about stuff with him and I was like, yeah, that's me. But we're very sensitive. Very sensitive. Yeah. I love a Libra. I might try and aim for that for the twins. That would be good for twins.

I love that. Do twins even run in either of your family? Oh, they do. Okay. Okay. What time are you? Pisces. I love Pisces. I'm a little melty. You're the one fish up and one fish down and all the good stuff. Yeah, I love Pisces. What are you?

Virgo. Fergo. Oh, yeah, that was my ex. That was the one who was both. That was the fetish? No, not the fetish. I wish. Why would you be into that?

I know. Am I in a French made costume right now? She's like, I related to that a lot. I know what? Let me show you my underwear. Show him the picture. I remember the picture that you were saying on the podcast before that you went and did that photo shoot and you've got like a little sexy. I was like I did one of those.

Oh, God. Hotest one. Like Maxim or something. Oh yeah. And they're always the ones that resurface. And you're like, why? People try and get you to sign them like the hot ones. My publishers would always say to me at those things like don't sign those ones.

Because they're the ones that they'll go and sign, like they'll go and sell the ones like with you in the little itty bitty teeny bikini. Right. Yeah. So she's like, ignore those ones. I'll sign them. Yeah. I always sign them. What was that saying about me?

I'm like, you know what? Go ahead. If this gets you a dollar, maybe if it's worth that. I'm like, oh, that was a good fashion choice by me. Okay. Oh, my God. Oh, the joys. All right.

Well, we'll definitely have to talk more. I know. Come on. We didn't even like talk to one. We did talk about your podcast, but it's super exciting, the mother days. And love it. Love what you're doing and your book and everything. And thanks, guys.

Thank you. Thanks. So much. It's not sweet, Rob. I can make it. I'll make it sweeter. Rob, I praised you for bringing me. Hi, everybody.

Welcome to Broad Ideas. I'm just in the middle of praising Rob for bringing me. He brought me. Okay, here's the story. No, he brought. Let's hear your version of this story. He brought me a latte. Why did he bring?

So Rob always brings us matcha. It's kind of a tradition that he really hates that he started because he's always expected to bring us. very fancy macha. The one time I didn't, I got hell for it. Olivia really gets mad if she doesn't have her macha. I've gotten mad twice, though. Twice.

I can't drink that much caffeine right now, number one. That's not the real reason. The real reason is I got a stomach flu, and after that I just didn't want it anymore. For some reason, macha took the fall. And surprise, surprise, Rachel, not the best communicator. Yeah. What do you mean?

So you'd just let it sit there instead of the same. bring it for you six more times. No, because I keep wanting, I want it back. Yeah. I get that. You know what I mean? I want it. I want to want it.

So I have not given up yet. Poor Rob. Well, you're going anyway. It's not like you're going out of the way just for me. If you were, I would never ever have a lot of you that. You're a $6 match. Yeah, he's like throwing money down the drain. And what happens is I bring her on the matcha and she has like four sips.

Yeah. And then there's a full macho getting thrown away every recording. Okay, don't bring me drinks anymore until I feel like I'm ready to dive back in. We don't want that latte? No, well, I was, here's the thing. I'm not supposed to have that much caffeine right now. Because I have a cyst on my ovary. That is, needs to shrink, and I don't think caffeine's great for it.

Why? Did someone tell you this, or this is just what you think? It's possible, it's just what I think. It's also possible. I read it on the internet that knows all. Can we ask Jeff? Should we phone a friend? No, no, no, right.

Okay, no, right. Sorry, okay. Okay, I love caffeine. I also think caffeine has been adding to my anxiety, so I'm questioning if I need to weed it out. Well, that's what, I mean, machas is a, like, mellower caffeine. So really, I need to just get back on the macha train.

Or tea. I thought green tea had more caffeine. Anyway, there's studies. We don't have to get into it. We're all about manifesting now. How do you feel about manifesting, Rob? I'm pretty much in the same position I felt about manifesting before. What is that?

What is that? We love. We want to hear this position. I don't know. I have very neutral position on it. I don't think about it ever. Yeah. I don't think about it ever.

I don't think I have a position. You're a very logical brain and I feel like anytime we get into that kind of stuff, you're just like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but do you have goals? Mm-hmm. What are your goals, Rob? Yeah.

Let's help them into actuality. What are your goals? But, like, how does that work for you? You're like, okay, I want to achieve this? What is that process? I don't have super specific ones right now because... I'm living the dream. Exactly.

I don't know. My goals have evolved. And, like, I didn't think I'd be making podcasts. And I ended up making podcasts and it's working out. So. Rob is so, just his life is like monotone. You know? Okay.

All right. What are your goals, Olivia? Shut up, Rachel. Oh. Jeez. It's acting. Yeah, what are your goals? This was a really good lesson for you this conversation.

And I think Teresa was an amazing influence in your, what you feel are your insecurities. both of them were what both what they both inspired me two things oh yeah sarah and trita of course hearing someone really own their part and their manifesting of their dreams and their life and everything always ignites me because i i feel like i spend a lot of time helping other people do that yeah and it woke up that i want to do it for myself right right and the truth is i want to act i want to go back into acting. And another thing that Sarah really said was when you get those hunches, when you get those gut feelings, take action on them now. Right? So God has got feeling the other day to reach out to an old friend. Yes. And we're going to have lunch. And I thought of Sarah because I had the feeling

and I was going to go about, you know, something about my own day. And instead, I don't know. Something about my own day. I was going to go around something about my own day. I don't know. know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, instead of ignoring the hunch, I reached out to her because she's killing it and like writing films and directing and she's just like a light in this world. She's inspiring and motivating. She's super inspiring. And I'm like, I want to sit down with you and learn your process. And that's what you're doing. That was based on a hunch. Yeah. And I followed it because of our conversation with Teresa and Sarah. And when you reached out to her, she was like, Wednesday.

Yeah. Who'd you reach out to? She's my friend. Her name is Nadine. Her friend of hers. But that's so, you know, you've got to follow those hunches. Yeah, you find someone that has what you want and find out of it. I think it's important to surround yourself with people that inspire and motivate that, like, you really admire, you know?

Yeah. Is that why you're around me so much? That's my joke. That's why you hang out with us. That's true. Yeah. So what do you want, little Rachel face? I want my sis to go away.

I want a lot of things. Financial security? You put me in the hot seat. What do I want? You know what I want? I want to get a fucking handle on my anxiety. Can that be something? Yeah.

Is that a cop out? Yeah. Because don't we all? What do you want, want? What do I want? You made me say I want. acting and you know that's a vulnerable thing. Olivia's taking an improv class at UCB United Citizens Brigade and I am so fucking proud of her.

Did I say that wrong? Fridays at 11 a.m. But anyone wants to do that. I'm so proud of her because that would intimidate the shit out of me. So good for fucking you. Thank you. I wish I had the balls. I should have done it with you.

Jeff asked me, he's like, doesn't that scare the shit out of you? And I'm like, no. Like that to me feels more comfortable. Yeah. Than a lot of things. Yeah. I get that. Because it's like with improv, you don't use your brain.

Right. You just react. Yeah, I'm excited for you. We'll see. Maybe it'll be frightening. I think you use your brain. You're not doing like stand-up. I think stand-up is the most frightening thing. Next Wednesday.

I'm doing my first set. Okay, so what do you want? What do I want? I want, you know what? I always like, you know, oh, I can't tell my wish. You know what, like 11-11 on the clock, you make a wish, right? But you're not supposed to say your wish. I feel like you're avoiding the vulnerability of the question.

No, I literally, because I don't have a specific thing that I'm like... I know of you. I understand. That's how I feel. Yeah. I want to continue just... I don't know. It feels like setting those goals makes it hard to stay present and just kind of... Right. I generalize. I'm like happiness, like success and whatever that means for you.

You want a sitcom. Oh, yeah, I do want a sitcom. Yeah. yeah, I want a multi-cam. That shoots in L.A. That shoots in L.A. See, you do know what you want. And Rob, I know something you want that I want that Rachel wants.

What? She's just remembering what this conversation was. What is it? Broad ideas to be the number one podcast in all the world. I don't know if we said that. I did. Oh, I thought we were just like top 10. Top 10 is good.

Top 100 is good, isn't it? Or no. Yeah. Top 100 be great. Rob, you know what I would love to see? Rob in an improv class He would fucking slay No thanks

He's too shy He's like too introverted in that way Yeah But that's why it works With us The dynamic Yes You know

He could not be more opposite Although Rob and I are like Way too alike In like a lot of ways That makes Rob very uncomfortable Do you guys get waxed At the same place It causes us to fight too

It does We're very How are you guys awake Rob? Do tell. Just. I feel like we have very similar personality. What?

Wait. But not in obvious way. Do tell. Stubbornness. Yes. Oh, you mean like character defects. Maybe. It'll always be like, trying to think of an example.

And Rob will get so annoyed because we'll be like, oh, no. Like, I'll either. There will be taste things that are, we share similarities to. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, or like in ordering things, and he'll just be really bothered that if I, like, want to order something the same exact way that he was thinking, like, it bothers him. Mm-hmm. Really? Yeah.

Why? Because he doesn't want us to be that similar. No. I had another host who was a really rich famous lady that made me uncomfortable when we had similar tastes. Are you saying I'm a really, like, old, rich, famous lady? You're, like, somewhere in the middle there. Middle-A. older, not super rich, but probably has some money.

You know, Rob really chops my eyes. You know who is not like Rob at all? You? Me. Yeah. I'm not like you at all either. We're different. And that's why you and I'm doing. Yeah. It's true. Yes. Rob, yes. Imagine this podcast if it was just the two of you. It would just be us fighting.

It would have been dead a long time ago. I'm like, it's okay, guys. Thank God for Olivia. Thank God for Rachel. Rob's going to say. Thank God for Rob. Thank God for Rob, really. Yeah.

Yeah. We've got to take a moment of silence. Do you know, people really love you, Rob. Love Rob. They love when Rob chimes in. Go for it, chime. I don't like it. I don't accept that.

I don't want it. Why? Why? Why does that make you uncomfortable? Acknowledging it, I think, makes me uncomfortable. You want to pretend it's not happening. Yeah. Would it make you more uncomfortable if they were mean? No. Or, no, yes, it would make me more uncomfortable. Oh, okay.

I think I meant what I like it more. Are you uncomfortable in life, Rob? No. You're very comfortable. You know what always surprises me? Because you're so quiet generally if, like, people don't know you. You have so many friends you just go out with, like, vacation with. And I'm thinking, does he talk? I have...

Do you know what I mean? I have more like intimate relationships that are more one-on-one. Unlike groups. You're a one-on-one person. Yeah. I'm going through that with Briar right now and like friends from school because they're all into like one-on-one instead of like groups or threes. Threes are really hard. Threes are hard.

And we're trying to navigate that. And they really just want one-on-one. Yeah, I hate threes. We do really well in a three, though. I will say, Olivia Leah and I are a good three. We're a fucking great three. I can do a three if it's the people I'm comfortable with and can, like, trust.

When you hit 40, maybe you can do it. Yeah, maybe. What made you so comfortable with us? It was my openness and willingness to talk shit about people. No, but like... Because I went away very quick. No, because you are. I feel like you're 100% yourself.

Do you regret asking me to start a podcast? No, no, no, no. I have to get past a certain point to trust people to do that. How long did it take you to get to that point with us? I got there pretty quickly with you just because I got stuck on Zoom with you for an hour. Trying to help me figure out how to do anything. Yeah. That's right.

We got comfortable real quick. I was like, Rob. I know. You're like, Rob, I'm having a problem with my banking app. Can you help me? She'll ask you the most fucking out there things to help her with. She'll be like, Rob, my app's not working for my doctor appointment. Can you help me?

I need a lot of help in life, you guys. And I'm like, this doesn't really fall under his, you know, category. What do you mean? Friend? Everything falls under that. I'm just saying it started real fast. It was like Rob! Yeah, Rob, I can't.

My Wi-Fi extender's not working until I get the internet in my closet. Literally. You're like, you need to buy this. But he does it. I know, I need to learn how to do things. I don't know what that is. It might not be possible at this point. I think you're right.

Outsource. I need help. I need handholding a lot. But I do a lot on my own. I'm always alone. Yeah. I handle everything. It's just certain things I,

my brain doesn't work that way. Well, I'm unfortunately not going anywhere either. Is that funny, Olivia? Is that funny over there? Guys, I get a lot of the questions still from people that want us to talk about things. Do you want to answer any of them? If you had a dick for a day, what would you do with it, Olivia? Oh, God.

You're looking at me as you're reading that to her. I'm just going to make eye contact with all the time. Dick for a day. Yeah. I would probably slip into some, like, satin boxers. No, I was going to say, like, slip into some, like, hot girls' DM. If you had a dick for a day, you're just going to talk to a girl on DM? It's 24 hours.

Okay, don't you think it's interesting to feel, like, what it's like to come with, like, a penis as opposed to a vagina? I'm immediately going to jerk myself off. Well, no, I don't you? like a little, like, why do guys... That's why I'm slipping into her DM. We only have it for a day. Like, are you going to land her within a day? I mean, if I had a dick, maybe I'd hit you up. What's up, Rachel?

Well, you know, that tends to work with me. That's a good question. What? You had a dick for a day. Would you... Would I bang him, Rachel? Would you fuck Rachel? Oh, no. But it'd still be me. That's like sibling stuff. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, that's like incestual. I would totally like, sleep with someone, though.

That's what I mean. I'd have sex with someone. You said I would slip into someone's DNA. I mean, like, in order to get her to, like, have sex with me. How about you just, like, overstep that part and just say, like, oh, I would totally want to, like. Yeah, but how are you going to make it happen? Why do you have to be?

Well, we don't even know that, like, you're going to go take a shower and. She's like, I'm going to take her on a date. We're going to Pache. I'm going to ask for havesies on the bill. Do you have any friends that you would? do it with? No. You would feel comfortable?

No. Friend? Like, like friends. Like, I could never, I could never fuck like you or Leah. Like, no. Because they're like your best friends.

Like that's, okay, Rob, if you had a vagina for a day, who would you want to fuck you? you? I don't think it goes that way for me. It doesn't. Why not? Why? I don't think I want to feel what it feels like to be fucked in a vagina.

You don't? You don't want to feel like it's like to have an orgasm with a vagina? Not particularly. Why? You're not curious at all. See? Because I feel like guys feel like they're superior in how they're come, like how it feels. They're like this is the fuck.

Like they have shit but it's a taboo. No, no, no, no. In a way that it's not for women. Yes, for sure it is. But I just wonder, because it does seem like more of a release and a reward for men who come because they actually have, I mean, girls who score it, we've had this debate. But they actually have. Have we on the show?

Oh, have we not? But a guy, a guy can take it if it's something that he wants to experience. what that feels like. What? A guy can get fucked. Right. In the butt. Yeah, but you don't know what it's like. A girl can't fuck.

Right. That's what I'm saying. It's different. You have the option to fuck. Yeah, but it doesn't feel the same. Yeah, but it doesn't feel. I'm just talking about the sensation of having an orgasm from a vagina rather than a penis. That's not high on my list of.

Would you get a hooker? Like, if I only had one day. and I really felt like I needed to experience this. Or is there someone you know that you'd be like not uncomfortable with? But the dick's going to go away, right? I don't have to worry about like STDs. You'd go get a high-end escort. Yeah.

I would also pee in my front yard. Oh, man. That would be the best part. Just being able to pee anywhere whenever you fucking want. So my favorite part of having a baby in the hospital? I thought you're going to say my favorite part of having a dick for a day. No. My favorite part of having a thing was the catheter because you don't feel it and you don't even have to know when you're peeing. It just happens. It's amazing. I get pee fright all the time. Like when Teresa and Sarah showed up, I was in the bathroom and it's connected to the room we were recording. I could not pee for like a solid two minutes because I'm like, they can hear me. And I'm frozen.

Well, all of us were amazing. We're listening. You listen to my peeing. Cather. Cather. Cather. Okay. Yes. If you were going to have a penis for a day. Yes. Would you rather Freaky Friday and be in someone else's body and see what that feels like? Or would you rather be you with a dick?

Oh, right. I'd rather freaky Friday. I'd rather be like a dude with a dick than me with a dick for sure. Okay, if you had to. Well, this is such a stupid question. But what man's body would you choose to be in? And don't say Jeff's. Oh, I thought you were going to say, don't say Brad Pitt because that's not obvious, don't you?

That's what I was going to say. No, I would want someone with like super swag. like Joel Kenerman or like Channing Tatum or like Joel. Joel has fucking swag, dude. Swag. I mean, I don't know in real life, but like from the show, on The Killing, let me just tell you. Let me just tell you.

This dude has swag. I saw him once at the airport. I know you did. At LAX and I was alone with Breyer and it was like Christmas time. So we had so much shit and she was young and she was on one of those suitcases. She sits on and I have to wheel her around. And everything was falling all over the place. I'm sweating.

I'm like trying to carry. everything like you know I needed assistance and all of a sudden I like look up I'm like sweat like my hair is like stuck to my forehead like and they look up and Joel Kinneman and I'm like and he looks so fucking hot tall very tall and I'm just like and I look up like with the hair like stuck to me like I woke up after a drunken night with slobber and he just like and he smiled and I was like thank you are taking pity on me so I struggle with all of these things That was my moment. That's who you would be.

Oh, that's what we were talking about, huh? She's just still, it's really red. She's fantasizing about Joel. I am. Oh, how embarrassing that was. I don't know if I'd be him. Who would you be? Well, I actually...

Hmm. I'm trying to think who the hottest girl is. So I wouldn't care to be the hottest guy. Why? But we're talking about having a dick for a day. Yeah, but I'd want to fuck their girl. Oh, so you're saying, you know what to you? You're just transporting straight into a marriage.

Well, I'm just like, if I'm going to be a guy for one day, I want, you want the whole experience. Yeah, that's fair. That's very well thought out. And because if we're like, if we're going to be him, he's sleeping with her. Yeah, well, you have to track her cycle as well. I'm going to get her pregnant on a accident. She's like, I'm fucking stealing this deal.

Freaky fridaying out of that situation. Oh. I'm trying to think, you know who I think is really hot as a female. that I would, I could do Channing, Tate. I was going to say, if you do Channing, she's so hot. She's one that is like really beautiful. Yeah. Yeah.

So you're taking mine. Oh, did you see it? I sure did. Oh. You guys can take turns. That's fine. You one day, me the next. Yeah.

Okay. We're settled. That's settled. But Rob, you have to pick. Pick what? If you're a girl for a day, who are you? I said I don't want. You just have to have

a stupid girl. You don't have to have sex with a whatever. You could be a lesbian. You could be a lesbian. Absolutely. Who are you freaky fridaying with? This seems much creepier with me

answering this than... Now remember, whoever you're freaky friding with, they're going to be with Natalie. So be careful who you pick. Oh. The woman? Yeah, I just threw that in the mix.

Yeah. What does that even mean? I'm picking a woman. she's... And she's gonna be you. Taking my body. Yeah. Well, I don't have

an answer for this. Well, we're not gonna stop until you do. You have to pick someone. What a fucking cop out. What about like, um... Ali Wong. God, that took me a second. That was good, Ron.

That was a good joke, Rob. Okay, we're done. Yeah, that's it. All right. I pick Ali Wong. Nice. Thanks, Braudians, for sticking with us. Thank you, Teresa and Sarah, our new long.

Oh, should we have? Oh, no, we were being guys. I was going to say we should have been them, but like we're being guys. We're being guys. Yeah. Do you want to just be them anyways? Yes, I do. Well, you'd pick their husbands is what you.

Yes. I could totally be their husbands. Right? You want to be their husbands. I just want to be them. I don't know Teresa's, but he seems awesome, but I do know Sarah's and I do love him. Oh, man. All right.

See you next week. That was a hate gum podcast. Thank you.