Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Zooey Deschanel

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

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Hello, everyone. Thank you for listening to broad ideas. We have a very special guest today, Zoe Dashanelle. I have been a huge fan for so many years, and I was so thrilled that she was willing to talk to us. Obviously, you know, New Girl, her series, I loved, I watched it. 500 Days of Summer, an elf. They're pretty up there for me.

Elf, every Christmas, obviously. She's an amazing musician. She has a band called She and Him with M. Ward. She and Him has a new album, and they're going on tour. Meltaway, a tribute to Brian Wilson out July this year. And they're starting a summer tour, the Meltaway Tour. That's awesome. They're playing L.A. We're going to go.

Awesome. Let's go. And her new podcast. Welcome to our show, a rewatch podcast of New Girl. That's fun. They're fun. Well, I am so excited that Zoe is here with us today, and we get to have a conversation with her about all of the amazing things that she has coming up, that she has going on now, and the

things that she did before, which I am a huge fan of. So please welcome Zoe. Sometimes when the way inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take. Take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys. Because people die.

First of all, we're so happy to have you here. We are. Oh, thank you. We love you. Oh, thank you. Likewise. It's interesting, like, I, what I learned, and I didn't know this, you grew up here. I did.

Did you grow up here? Yes, we both did. Oh, where did you guys grow up? We're Valley girls. You're Val- Okay, because I'm Palisades. Went to school in Santa Monica, grew up in the Palisades.

You went to Crossroads, right? I did, yes. We had friends at Crossroads. I had friends at Pally. I remember her. I like went to Pally with her in high school, like for a day of school. She brought me with her

and the teachers didn't even notice and I just sat in on classes at Palli. Did you guys go to high school together? No. We didn't actually go to the same high school. Okay. But we've been friends since high school. Which high school did you guys go to?

I went to Notre Dame. Okay. I went to Grant. Okay, cool. So I was like the rugged school and they were like the private school and then we all kind of joined forces. And we're like, let's just all be one big click of awful teenagers. Yeah. Yeah.

We went there. That's for sure. Did Notre Dame have like uniforms? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Crossroads didn't, right? No, no. It was very like liberal and like, but my sister like went to Catholic school.

Oh, really? Where'd she go? Yeah. Well, in elementary school, she went to Marymount. Oh, yeah. And also, before that, we were in San Francisco for like a year when I was two. And I think she was in kindergarten and she went to like Sacred Heart in San Francisco. But my mom went to Catholic school and thought that we should go to Catholic school. But then once my sister was in, she was like, I don't think for these crazy kids. Yeah, it was like wild. Really weird. I remember because Catholic school for me was just high school when I started. Okay. And you had religion. and you like said prayers.

And I was like, this is so weird. You just praising Jesus every day. Felt a little odd. I went to like this liberal school and then I grew up Catholic. And so we would go and do like the Sunday school and stuff. Yeah. A weird contrast to the school I went to normally. Yeah.

It was all about like emotional awareness. Intelligence, right? Intelligence. Yeah. And the social emotional, which is totally different. Did you like it there? Diversity, equity and inclusion, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.

Yes. It was great. Yeah. Yeah. loved it. Oh, good. It was very, like, nurturing school. That's amazing. Very good, like, academics, but just more nurturing to different types of people. For sure. And did you go with John Casden? Was he there when you were there? Yeah, yeah. I figured you guys were maybe the same year even. Yeah, same year. That's funny. I remember we were at a party once. That's one time at John

Cazden's and you were there. And this is back in the day. Oh, really? Yes. And we were at John Kaston's at his dad's house. The dad's house? Yeah. I remember. And you came and I remember it was back when Katie Perry wasn't Katie Perry yet. Right. And I remember being like, oh my God, they're twins.

Like I would always tell her you look like Zoe DeC Chanel and she'd be like, I know, thank you. Well, I remember because people would tell me, I remember hearing about her for a while before like, and she was not famous and hearing about her and people were like, this girl's your identical. And then I remember finally seeing her and being like, whoa, she really does look like me. I really didn't expect, because a lot of times people would tell me I look like somebody and then I'd meet them.

I'd be like, not really. But she, yeah, maybe not as much now. She's like so in that pop star zone. Yeah. Like I'm not a pop star myself. I am a mom. Right. Yeah.

Well, she's a mom too. But like I just feel like she. You guys don't look as much alike now. We don't look as much alike. Yeah. And I've kind of stayed steady. with the same style for the last 20 years. She's like, you know, that pop star thing where you're like kind of more ever evolving.

Yeah. Ever evolving. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I used to tell myself all the time that I looked like you. Yeah, I did. Well, I would be very flattered if I did. I literally like I'd cut things and I'd be like, I'm cute.

I look like Zoe DeCineau. Like. I love it. Yeah. No, I mean, I have looked up to you for so many years. from like the beginning of your career, which is so crazy, like when I think back to almost famous. And I saw that movie in the theater six times.

Like, I was obsessed. Oh, my God. Yeah. And you in that movie, it was just like, you were just so awesome. And obviously it's been a very long career and well-deserved. Long for being 25. It's weird.

How'd you do it? Yeah, exactly. It's so crazy. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. But also, you grew up in a show, business family. Yeah. And so did I. So there's like, I keep seeing all these parallels between us.

And it was interesting growing up in L.A. where I don't know if this was the same for you, but you would go to set and like be around all of that as a kid. I mean, I know at least I was, I was totally into bringing my friends there like on Friday nights and getting our hair done and craft service and all that stuff. I never got to get my hair done on. That sounds awesome. Yeah, Because my dad's a cinematographer and my mom's an actress, but my mom kind of, she would act, but she would take a lot of time off to take care of my sister and myself. But I remember the craft services was very exciting. My mom tells a story about my older sister going to set with her and being like,

you get to eat donuts every day. My mom's like, but that's the thing. You're an accident. You get to see the donuts. You don't always get to. Yeah, there's lessons everywhere. I think, you know, being in the business as I got older and, you know, when you obviously you became an actress and a musician. But it was nice to have that experience before. So then going into it, it wasn't really a thing. And it wasn't like, oh my God, I'm like on this set now. It wasn't about the thing. It was just about the liking the process and, you know, liking to work as an actor. Yeah, I never felt like.

it was for any prestige or any sort of vanity reasons. It was just like, oh, I really like this. Because otherwise it would have worn off by the time. I started. So, yeah, I remember growing up felt very normal to have, you know, parents who worked in Chobas this. Right. Are your parents still together?

Yes. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. That's different. Yeah, that's special. They're going on 50 years. Oh, my God. That's so cool.

50 years this July. I always find that, you know, because you are a local and a native, I feel like anytime I meet anyone else that grew up here, it's like this instant kind of bonding and everyone else seems super weird and like we're actually, quote unquote, normal. Yeah. And like the same friends. Like, you know, Olivia, we've been best friends forever and having that core group.

Did you kind of keep the same people around you or like? Yeah, I'm very comforted that I have a lot of friends from elementary school. Yeah. middle school, high school that I am on a pretty regular texting basis. Like now I feel like you guys both have kids, right? Yes. Yeah. So it's like, you know how when you have kids?

It's like all my social interaction also revolves around like my kids. And if they have friends who have like cool parents or I have friends that have kids the same age, it kind of makes everything easier because we can socialize. Oh yeah. Well, that's the best because then you can just get together and the kids just go off. You know? They can entertain each other. They can entertain each other.

And it's the best because like I don't have to play all day because let me tell you. We don't like playing. Do you like playing? Oh, gosh. I mean, sometimes, but like I like to let them do their thing, you know? How old are they? Four and six. Okay.

So my son is four and my daughter six. And they play really well together. They're basically like less than two years apart. Wow. So I was pretty lucky during the pandemic because they, just had each other. Right. When we were, you know, on Zoom school and there was a while where I was like, is it safe to see people? And like, my parents live here and I want to be able to see them.

So I didn't want to like expose them to anything. So for a long time, it was just like, that's who they had was each other, like, you know, in their own age group. And I had like a little pre-K preschool. Pod thing. Not even a pod. It was a pod of my two kids. Oh. I didn't even. I was like, you know what? They're fine. You're like I had a preschool for them. Yeah, yeah. So they were kind of, yeah.

You're so lucky. All the time. That was lucky. Do you have one? Yeah. I have one girl. She has two. I have two boys.

Yeah. But I have one girl who's seven. Boys are kind of like boys when they get together, it's like energy exponentially. It's insanity. And mine are two and how old are they? Two and six. It'll be three and Elliot will be six. So he is six.

Six. Yeah, he is six. You know, see, see what this year has done to my brain. No, no, children destroy your brain. They destroy it. The fact. Yep. Fact. I don't remember anything anymore.

No, I think I birthed my brain with the children just out of my body. I'm very sure of that. Yeah, like, so I'll be like, who's that actor? Like, I won't remember, like, very famous people. Right. So I'll be like, who's that actor? And it'll be like, Brad. Pitt. Like somebody's so famous, like you're not supposed to forget their name. But yeah. Oh,

it is real. Absolutely. And my brain has never been the same. But you're, you both were so lucky that they had each other through the pandemic. And I literally was her only source of entertainment other than TV or whatever it was. She's probably so mature, right? She actually is. That are only children that went through the pandemic, I feel like are little grownups. Yeah. It's like they're in New York City basically growing up. It's just like a totally different thing. But, you know, for me, I don't know if it was the same for you. Because I know your kids, they weren't with your current partner, right?

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They go back and forth. They go back and forth. Yeah. And we're, you know, we're all really close. Like, we're all friends. Really?

Yeah. That's so awesome. We let go on vacation together. Good. Wow. We get along really well. Like, very fortunate. So lucky.

Yeah. So we were doing all the, like, you know, when we went through our divorce, you know, it's always like there's a little touch and go kind of stuff, you know, and we were doing mediation, no lawyers or anything, just mediation. But we weren't like hanging out. We were like, you know, just like, hello, you know, very friendly but not. Yeah, cordial. And then we had a birthday. It was like my son's birthday or something. And my boyfriend booked an Elmo performer to do like a Zoom thing. It was like pandemic kind of stuff. And I remember my ex-husband. My ex-hus came over and my boyfriend was there and we were all wearing cowboy hats and it was just the three

of us and the two kids and we're watching this like Elmo performer on Zoom and the kids are like so happy we were all together and we were all getting along great and I was like you know what like this is so fortunate and like doing it that way like where we all get along and like the kids are so happy when we're all together so I just try to as much as possible that's incredible Yeah. Yeah. Like, do that because they love it. It's really hard to, yeah, navigate, right? Because I struggle with that myself, you know, introducing the boyfriend and how to integrate and... Right. It is hard. I mean, every situation's different. But yeah. You're so lucky that that was able to just come together seamlessly like that. And your kids love your boyfriend, I assume. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's really great with them and, you know, just was very lucky in that situation. Right.

I've heard that's like the best kept secret of divorce is that you get your kids half the time. I don't know why. I was like, should we like split up and like separate houses so we get a fucking break here? Yeah. Well, you could take a break even if you're still married. But I will say like my first choice would be to have them all the time. But like you can like have moments of clear thinking.

that you don't necessarily have if they're there like 100% of the time. If my kids are around, I feel guilty like doing anything. Like even right now, my son's like outside and I'm like, fine. Yeah, because like Zoom's going. Your time. Yeah. You feel like your time is so precious because it's not all the time. So when I don't have them, I'm like, I don't have them.

I don't have the option to have them right now. So I'm like, might as well work really hard, you know. Right. So it does allow me to like compartmentalize a little bit. And then when I have them, I'm like super, super hands. on and like to just pack all the activities in and have a good time with them. Well, that's cool because, I mean, there is silver linings, right? Like at least.

Yeah. And, you know, we get breaks, but like during COVID or NAMI and people test pause. It's just a shit show. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And during COVID, there was like three months where we didn't have any help. And I think I had them five days a week for a little bit. He's a CEO of a company.

He's like, during the day, a phone calls. I can't, you know, he's like, so we just had this temporary situation where I had him during the weekdays. And I was just like, trampoline time. And we literally would jump on the trampoline for three hours. That's what I need. And I was like, why am I so skinny? At the beginning of the pandemic, I was so skinny. I was jumping on the trampoline all the day.

Sounds great. I love that. I know. But that's what, you know, and, well, you had them like all week long. But that was nice during the pandemic to have that break when she would go to her dad's house. And I'd be like, oh, my God, I don't have. to play for 48 hours straight. But it's just like this crazy thing.

You actually had a hard because you were having to play. Yeah. All the time. All the time. You were the playmate. Yes. I mean, the zombies musical,

the Disney one, I don't know if you know this yet. I don't know if your daughter's into it. But like every song, acting it out, fully costumed, dressed up like zombie paint, everything.

Like we put on a whole musical. I'm not going to lie. It was fun. But it's a lot of work, you know? And I find going through these things publicly is also a whole other level of like, yeah. It's a huge challenge, you know?

And in this business, they love to create a narrative for you and put things out there. Like, I was reading something the other day. Like, my ex-boyfriend is dating someone. And this is my favorite thing. All these places always get like a source, right? And I'm like, who is my friend's source? Like, because apparently they know everything,

which 99% of the time isn't true. Oh, yeah. And, you know, in creating a narrative that, like, I'm devastated. And I'm like, I didn't talk to anybody about this. So this is so funny because my boyfriend and I have this joke where we laugh all the time because we've been together for like almost three years. There's a recurrent story that his brother, who's, you know, he and his brother have a show together.

Right. And they'll be like, Drew doesn't approve of Jonathan and Zoe's relationship. And we're like, first of all, he's not your dad. Right. Or like there will be like, it will be like, Drew has finally approved of their relationship. We're like, they're like 43 years old. Like he's not going like, Drew, do you approve of my relationship? Right.

First of all. And second of all, like, Drew like has approved of our relationship from the beginning. And we're like, who's making up these stories? Like, yeah. I find them so hilarious and entertaining. Yeah. That honestly, I'm like, please make up more stories because it's funny. Right.

But. Yeah. And it's nice to have the chance. I kept calling him Brother Daddy because I was like, amazing. I was like, your brother daddy doesn't approve. Brother Daddy. Yeah. Brother Daddy.

Right. They're the property brothers, right? Yes. Exactly. They have a show to go. HGTV fame. And I mean, I love their show. And I just, I'm obsessed with home renovations and houses and all of that.

It's good stuff. It is. It's good stuff. Yeah. And I actually, so a house that you sold a couple years ago. Did you buy it? No, I wanted to buy it. sent it to me. She's like, you're going to. I just sent it to it. Because I was obsessed. It was, oh, my God,

I was obsessed with it. I wasn't looking to move. I didn't need a house, but I was like, I want this house. It was so beautiful. That house I loved so much. And I was like, it was like, just not the right layout for me at that time. I was like, I sold it when I was like pregnant with my daughter. And then I was like, just moving to a different neighborhood. But that house was the best. I know. I was like, I talk about it all that time. It was gorgeous. I was like, I was like, I made. Oh my God, your taste. And I spent every time I had a hiatus for my show, I would redo a room. So by the end, like, all the rooms were redone.

Oh, they were all so beautiful. She just sent it to me before we started. I was like, I need to look. So I had this, like, Pinterest board with pictures of kitchens. And I'm so insane that there was somebody I follow. And then they posted a picture of their face. And it was not about the background. It was like, they were in their kitchen.

And I was like, oh, my God, I know that kitchen. I didn't pay any attention to what they were saying. I was like, knew the kitchen from Pinterest. And I was like, and then I went back to Pinterest and found the picture of this kitchen. And then went back and was comparing every detail. I was like, uh-huh. Yep. That's it.

That's it. And then I went and looked this person up in their house and found out they just bought this house. Like it had been someone else's house, but he just bought it. Oh, wow. And I was like, oh my God, I'm a psycho. I'm a psychotic person. A kitchen stalker. I love a kitchen.

I'm a kitchen stalker. I get it. So you and your boyfriend bond over the love of... Well, I sent him the screen grab. I was like, can you believe I recognize that the kitchen? He's like, you're crazy. Did you guys bond over that right away? Like, were you into that and that was...

Yeah, and we've been renovating a house for like two years. Oh, wow. So he designs and, you know, like oversees all these... project, but like he doesn't sit there online like a maniac sourcing stuff. And he's like, thank God you're like on first dibs. Right. Looking for old, you know, buffet tables. He's like, has 40 other projects he's doing. He's like, I can't source this much stuff. God. Well, to your project. Well, I just read something I think that he had never intended to settle down in L.A. or live in L.A.? Is that true? He didn't really know like L.A. that,

Well, his brother lives in L.A. Oh, okay. Brother Daddy. Yeah, brother daddy lives in L.A. But he lived in Vegas for a long time, which is different. I think it's fun to visit, but I'm like, that is not where I'm living. My kids. Right.

I'm like, I will visit there all day long, but no, I'm not living there. And so then I kind of introduced him to like another, like, the, I. L.A. that, you know, right. Yeah, where there's good people. It's a different L.A. They're normal people. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because everyone was like, oh, L.A. is so fake. All the people are so fake. And I'm like, well, I'm from L.A. I don't think I'm fake. And I have lots of friends that have normal jobs. All my friends from L.A. Like, they might have creative jobs that they're not like all television stars. And they're not, definitely not fake people. I have lots of fun, cool, creative friends that have various jobs.

that are normal and, you know, not normal, but they're nice people who are grounded. And you can be normal in this industry too, you know? Yeah, totally. Maybe it's not normal, but like, you know, being best friends with Rachel this whole time, that's one of the things that's like the exact same person from when we met. And I feel like L.A. gets such a bad rap, like, you know, phony people fake, this and that. But oftentimes what I've found, it's the people that move there. Move here.

Yeah. Yeah. And the people that are from there aren't as affected by that kind of stuff because when you grow up around it, it just doesn't have the same effect on you. So you're not like, you know, star fucking. You're just like, yeah, I get it. Yeah, no, exactly. It's like, you know, act like you've been here before, I guess. Right.

Yeah. No, exactly. Like, you know, also that you're seeing people for people. you're not seeing people because they have something to give to you or do for you. Right. It's just so weird. But I always feel so comforted when I meet people like you. Yes.

Everyone that can relate. Totally. Much comfort. Well, I went to summer camp like on the East Coast and everyone was like, you're from L.A.? Like nobody knew. No. Yeah. People could be from here.

Yeah. I had the same experience. I went to camp like in the mountains outside of L.A. And when I said I lived in North Hollywood, they were like, you live in Hollywood? Like it was like this crazy concept. And you're also like North Hollywood is different than like Hollywood. Because North Hollywood's like a suburb kind of. Like it's like, you know, where there's like houses and it's not like there's

houses. It's not like high rises and the Hollywood sign. No, not at all. There's a lot of like circus liquors there. You know, like you might recognize it from Clueless. I mean just like little things like that. But you know, I was going to ask you because when we were talking about it before, like your boyfriend and the kids and like how long did you wait to introduce them?

That's a good question. I think we had like, it was a couple months. Yeah. Maybe like five or six months. And was he the first boyfriend they met? Yeah, it was the only boyfriend I had. Right. Like after my divorce.

So yeah, yeah. Got it. But I introduced him to my ex too before he met the kids. That was a kind of. of like agreement we had had was just like if there's somebody that you feel is you know important enough or special you know enough or just cool enough to meet the kids like let's introduce them to their other parent first so that you know yeah we just know who's around the kids and um you know we always kind of vowed to put the kids first always and so we did that and you know they got along great so

and then jonathan's just so wonderful with the kids he's really like I think I'm pretty good at making up stories, but like he can literally like make up stories for an hour. I don't know how he does it. It's like nonstop makeup stories. I'm like after 15 minutes, I'm like, okay. The end. The end. Yeah.

Well, does he have kids too? He doesn't. Oh, okay. No. So he's just like, he's just a really great like stepdad. Yeah. I find that having both experiences like dating someone with kids and then dating someone without kids.

I thought I needed to date someone who had kids so they would get it, you know? Right. But I found it harder because... Interesting. Well, especially... Because they're exhausted from telling stories today. Yeah, exactly. They're like, I can't...

Oh, God. I can't bear to do this one more time. But yeah, because, like, they're all wrapped up in, you know, their stuff. And you kind of have to compromise more, which I find can be challenging. Right. But then dating someone... Yeah, without was like, okay, I'm all in on your kid. And then all the energy goes there.

And I kind of'm like, okay, I've changed my tune now. Yeah. No, I had no idea what to expect. Honestly, I was like, I have no playbook for this. Right. I had a few friends who were, you know, not with their kids' dads. And I, even before, because I didn't tell anybody, I was in divorce mediation for a long time before I actually told many people.

I had a few friends who knew and, like, my family knew. But, like, most people didn't know because it was just, it was. you know, it wasn't like I was out there, like, trying to get dates or anything. I was just, like, focusing on my family until we could make sure everything was all, you know, set up in a good way. And I had a couple of friends and I kept like asking weird, like, so when you are divorced, how many days are they with you? And what is the schedule like? And like, later they were like, oh, my God. You were asking the, I kept wondering why you were like so interesting.

interested. So you need a guy and his brother doesn't approve. Yeah. Do you call him brother dead? Yeah. So like I was definitely like trying to like gather information and try to, you know, figure that stuff out. But yeah, it's very interesting. And I was happy that I knew people who had kind of, you know, good relationships with their exes and everything. So that I kind of had a playbook for that, you know. Right. People think of divorce as like, oh, it's this terrible thing. And then. kids are scarred for life from it and people have to hate each other. It's like, that's not true. Right. Yeah. And your kids were pretty young, I guess, when you got divorced. My son doesn't even remember when Jonathan wasn't around. Wow. Wow. He's like, that's helpful. Do you know me when I was a baby? Aw.

To Jonathan. Yeah. He doesn't remember. Have you met any of the girls on the other side? Have you had to be in that seat yet? Well, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to like, that's his business. Yeah. I won't talk about that on this. But yeah, I mean, I'm supportive of everything. You guys are in a good place. We're in a great place.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're totally great. We all went on vacation this summer. That's what you were saying. That's so, I mean, that's the ideal. I think that everybody kind of strives for. Yeah. And there's always somebody to like take the kids to the pool.

You know because you're on vacation. Right. You literally need to be in the pool for 10. hours a day. Yes. And I'm like, I have a one hour limit. I hear you. I took my kid on vacation the summer and we brought my friend and her daughter and their best friends. And I was like, this is the key to success on vacation because they just go. And they play and they're in the fucking pool and ocean all day and you don't have to go in. All day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing. Well, when I was a kid, we lived on a tropical island for a while. And it was like very remote.

And we went to this beach with the craziest waves. And my mom doesn't like to swim. And she, She wouldn't even wear a bathing suit. She would just come fully dressed and then be like, play. And I was seven playing in these crazy waves. And I'm like, thank goodness. I was a good swimmer because I'm like, I would be nervous taking my kids. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

My parents were like pretty chill, I think, thinking back on it now that I have kids. I think that's always the thing. Like being a parent and kind of weighing how your parents handled it. And you're just like. Yeah, they were very, very, I'm like in admiration. of how chill they were. Yeah. I feel like back then, you know, my dad was like ripping bongs like in the house.

So I'm like, you know what I mean? Much of a, it was just a different time. Yeah, they didn't have car seats. My parents were more like, they'd be like, go play. Yeah. And we would just like run like around the neighborhood. Yeah. My friend and I would like, we wouldn't go that far, but we would just like walk around.

Like when we were like five. No, but it's so different. While we're in the neighborhood. Yeah. Now I would not. Now it's a different time. It is. I agree.

Someone's always watching them. What about growing up in L.A. as a teenager? Because I know for Rachel and I, we grew up way too fast. Like, oh, really? Way too fast. Not me. You didn't. No, no, no.

No, nerd. Oh, that's awesome. No, first of all, I really liked my parents. So, like, probably every other weekend. Well, maybe like every once a month, I would like the weekend, I would be like hanging out with my parents. On the weekend, like going to movies with them. And I remember being in high school and going to the movies with my parents and running into people from school.

And then kind of looking at me, I'm like, oh, these are my mom, my dad. And I was like, is this, is this weird? It's weird. I was like, I don't care. I like them. And, yeah, no, I mean, I definitely like, I remember getting dropped off at the promenade, which is like outdoor mall in Santa Monica. Yeah.

And one time my friend and I, this was like as bad as it gets, okay, my friend and I said we were going to the movies, but we didn't. And we just walked around. And we talked to some like high school band playing in the Barnes & Noble, like jazz, okay? And then we talked to some guys who were in college who were playing, like busking on the promenade. And they went to Christian college in San Diego. And we were like, yeah, we were like, we did Godspeople last summer. So like we know about, yeah, we know about like that Christian stuff. We were like trying to flirt with them and they were like not having it.

Oh my God. You reminded me of 1015 right now. Like, have you watched that show? I haven't. But I heard. Oh my God. So good. Yeah.

I definitely didn't. I never had a ride like I never had a ride to get into trouble. That's what I was like. I wanted to get into trouble, but I never had a ride. Wow. We would have picked you up. Well, I didn't know you guys. I didn't know you guys.

No, you're lucky you didn't. You know, because look at where you are today. Well, I was really scared of drugs. Yeah. Oh, really? I was really scared of them. I saw this. This is like very embarrassing.

I lived in London for a year when I was in second grade. And there was like an anti-drug campaign that was really scary. And I saw it and it worked on me. Like, I was probably the only kid that it worked on. And I was so. afraid someone was going to make me do drugs. I was like, like, it was like as if drugs were like the bad guy, like the villain in some movie. I was like, oh my God. Like, what if somebody like spikes my drink or something? This is what I'm 12. I'm like, nobody wants to waste their drugs on you.

Like nobody would want to do that. But anyway, I never even saw a drug because I was so scared that someone was going to make me. Oh my God. You were like, I am that fried egg in that pan. That is my brain. How do you think that happened? Like your parents, like, what did they do? Right. I need to know. If I want my kids to be like that. They were very, like, open with me because I would talk to them about everything. Like, I still feel really comfortable talking to my mom about anything. And I think I was very comfortable talking with them about stuff. But they, like, drink wine. But that's about, like, the extent of any substances. You know, like my dad has a wine cellar.

Yeah. That's the... You're like, I'm very well first. That's the... That's the... I'm getting crazy. So... Yeah, I just... You weren't around it. Yeah, and my dad is half French. And so actually, they let me have like a little bit of, like, an inch of wine and then water.

So, like, I tasted wine when I was, like, you know, probably 14 or 15. They would let me have, like, a tiny taste of it. And it was never, like, a big deal. Yeah. So, and it wasn't like, you can't do this, but it also wasn't like, yeah, this is totally fine. So I think it was like, they were like very reasonable. It wasn't overly strict and it wasn't like overly and like my curfew too. It was like, I remember my curfew in high school was midnight, but like if I was going to be late, I just had to call and make sure they knew I was

safe. My mom said like, if you need a ride, you can always call me and I will come to pick you up and I won't ask any questions about how I like that. A very supportive. It was like I never felt judgment. Yeah. That's huge. I think I had a very similar experience, you know, with my mom and we were so close and talk about everything. But knowing you could do that, it definitely, the support, it almost makes you like make

the right decisions in a way because you don't feel like you have to rebel or you have to do something you're not supposed to. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. My best friend growing up was Mormon and like wasn't allowed to do anything. And let me just tell you, she was the first one to lose her virginity. First one to try pot, like all of the things because she was. wasn't allowed quote unquote. I knew kids that were like not allowed to do anything like right and they were

their parents were so so strict and those were the kids that went like totally crazy. Oh yeah. Those are yeah. So those were the kids that I was like, okay. I also knew parents of friends who didn't like have meal times and it was so unstructured and like so free form and like parents, you know, that was tough too. So I think like being overly strict or like overly permissible like not paying any attention. Those two things were, I think, kind of tough on kids. And I think finding that middle ground, which is probably harder than going really extreme either way is kind of my goal as a parent, you know, I have to like always work on that. Totally. I agree with you completely. And like I said, open with my mom. I mean, she knew the night I lost my virginity, like talk to me about it the next day,

like to the point that was uncomfortable with details. And I was like, it's not like that mom. Like we're not going there. But it's true. And then the other kids growing up where like I I watched dirty dancing every day after school. And they were like, oh, my God. Like the forbidden fruit. You know what I mean? And like, how can you be watching a PG-13 movie? It was the biggest thing.

My parents would take me to, like, R-rated movies. And my mom would just put her hand over my eyes whenever something was it. I remember being like, she put her hand on it. Always being at the movies. Like, not even things that you'd be like, ooh, exciting. Not like dirty dancing. I'm talking about, like, out of Africa. Like, they took me to see out of Africa when I was three.

Okay, this is so, I mean, this is a movie that's for grownups. Like, it's so boring to a three-year-old. Like, I was so mad. I don't know how you did it. My dad made me sit through Lawrence of Arabia and how the West was won, so I can relate. It's like that, you know, they're the show business. They're in the business. They're like, no, you have to watch this masterpiece.

This is for you. No, no, they weren't, it wasn't like that they, later they would make me watch, you know, movies like Kubrick movies and Hitchcock, not make me, but they'd be like, let's watch a, you know, real cinema. But a lot of times when I was little, they were just like, we don't have a babysitter and we have, like, my dad has to see like, he's going in the movies all the time. Like, he has to see lots of movies. He loves seeing movies.

And so they would just take me because they'd be like, oh, well, we'll take them all, just cover their eyes. Yeah. I remember I'd cover my dad's eyes. It would start to get to see me and I'd be like, that's cute. Yeah, just that awkward. It's awkward. It's awkward.

So for sure it is. Olivia, how did you get up to the Bay Area? My husband took a job. Okay. Do you like it up there? You know, so when I first came out here, I was like, I can't do it. Like growing up in L.A., I can't leave my best friends, my family, everything. And we moved here.

It's been almost three years. So when we moved here, it shut down pretty close after we moved here. I love it. That's great. It's so beautiful where I live. It's like really peaceful. country roads, horses and cows, and it's gorgeous. But I miss my people. Yeah. I actually discovered I'm more social than I thought during the pandemic. It was like a slow realization because at first I was like,

woohoo. Like things I didn't miss were like long drives places. Like Zoom meetings and things, that's been great because there are a lot of things where I'm like, well, we could just do this from our house. Like we don't have to drive like, you know, 45 minutes. to get somewhere. So that was good. It was really nice to have all that time with Jonathan and my kids and just to kind of chill out and not be like go, go, go all the time. But when things started to kind of come back a little bit, I was like, I remember going to like a dinner party and I was like, I felt like I was like, I had like a thousand cups of coffee. I hadn't, but it felt like I had. I was like so intoxicated just by being around people that I was like, oh my gosh.

I actually think I am a lot more social than I had given myself credit for. Yeah. Now I'm like, I really, I don't want to go back. I know. I'm with you. I don't either. So I coach people. I do like spiritual psychology.

It's cool. It is cool. And so I feel like that got me through this because we were on super lockdown because my youngest is high risk. And so we did nothing. We did not leave the house for like two years, right, Rachel? That's so scary. Yeah. He ended up in the hospital for five days.

He got it. With COVID? Yeah. We're just getting through our second round of it again. So we were psycho-careful. Does he have like a lung thing? Yeah, he has asthma. But it's like he has lung disease.

He's a sweet little angel baby, but he's high risk. So we were like nothing. I mean, we were spraying down our groceries doing the whole thing. And I feel like what got me through it was coaching people and working with people. Because I'm like, if I didn't have that connection with humans, I get depressed. I'm like, that's how I recharge. Like every time I have a client afterwards, I'm lifted. I'm like, I can breathe again, you know.

Yeah. I think the thing with me, like, everyone thinks I'm an extrovert because I'm like very social, like when I'm around people. Like, I love it. But then I also like need time to recharge like, you know, just kind of by myself to like, think and everything. That's not because I'm an introvert. That's just because, like, I need time to process. It's really that I recharge with people. I get, like, energy from people, you know, like, I get jazzed, you know? Yeah, I would think, like, what about music? Because I think

does that help you, you know, as an outlet? That got me through the pandemic because my bandmate, Matt, M. Ward. And I made a record over the pandemic. And he's in Portland, but we were able to, like, kind of correspond like he would send stuff digitally. And we normally make records in a very like old school way like on tape, you know, in a studio always. And I was going into a studio, but it was actually great. We were able to record and do everything remotely. And that made me feel like I was, you know, because working, working is such a nice thing.

Like, especially like as a mom, like, like I had both my kids when I was on my show and I felt really overwhelmed, like, oh, wow. Having babies. I had both of them. I was like pregnant breastfeeding, pregnant breastfeeding. Like last four seasons of my show. Are you serious? Yeah.

Yeah. We were working like, you know, long hours and it was hard. And then so I was like, right after my show ended, I was like, I like need a break. But then after like I came through all that fog, I was like, there's a lot I get out of working and so much I get out of, you know, that's the me part. Like, there's me as a mom and that's great. I love that, but I'm not just a mom. I'm like all these other things.

So like just being able to work. And during pandemic times, it was hard to work as a mom without completely sacrificing being a mom. Like, because all those productions that went then, you'd have to like fly somewhere, quarantine for two weeks as a co-parenting family, unless I took my ex-husband, my boyfriend. Like we'd all have to go. Can't do that. Right. So that was like just not an option.

So being able to like play music was really great, you know. And now I'm happy we're kind of back to being able to travel for work and, you know, go back and forth and stuff. So you did an album, have you released it? No, it's coming out in the spring. Oh, that's so awesome. Yeah, I'm very excited. I love your voice. Oh, thank you.

My flower girls and my bridesmaids, which Rachel was one of them, walked down the aisle to your cover of God Only Knows. Are you serious? On God. That is the greatest honor. If I'd known you, I would have come and sang it lies. We're going to have to do a redo. Yeah, we're going to have to do a wedding again. If you guys renew your vows, I will come.

Oh, that would be so beautiful. So that's the thing. I always laugh because I'm like, I almost never get to be a bridesmaid in weddings because I'm always like the one who sings. They'll be like, oh, you're in the wedding party, but we decide to ask you to sing instead of being, and I'm like, but I want to be a bride to. Yeah. And we went through every single.

song like really we went we went so hard on figuring out what our songs were and your voice just has always gotten me and my husband oh yeah so sweet that makes me so happy what an honor all right when you guys renew your vows let me know i love it yeah it's it's such a gift you know that you have and i've always oh just so fun even if i'm like going to someone's house like singing christmas carols around the piano. I'm like, I love singing. Like, I love singing in harmony. I'm like still just a choir nerd in my, in my heart. Rachel, why don't you go ahead and sing a harmony? Oh, yeah. Rachel can sing. Are you? She can sing. God. Don't say that in front of Zoe. I cannot know, because, like, no. Well, I have designs on like, once COVID is less weird, I love a little

Christmas caroling party. Oh, my God. I would like to have one. Oh, when my daughter discovered Elf and you're singing, like, she's obsessed. She just wants to watch you sing. That's so sweet. How old is she? She's seven. Oh. Yeah.

She's in first grade. Yeah. She just started first grade. And she's actually going to school, which is great. I know, which is so nice. My daughter is really social, so it's really nice she is in school. Is she kindergarten? Yeah.

She, like, lives for her friends. Yeah. I mean, it's like everything to her. All it's about. Yep. It's such a big deal. It's such a big deal, but I'm just so happy she has that. My son's less, like my son is a little more shy.

So he plays by himself a lot, you know, because he likes it. But it's nice to see her back in school because she's loving it. Loving life. Her girlfriends. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's all about best friends too, which I didn't realize it started this young until watching my daughter go through it. But it's a big deal.

They don't encourage, like they don't want them to get to exclusive clicky. So they're like, I'll be like, I'll be like, like, who's your best friend? And she's like, all of them. That's great. Like all the girls. She had a progressive school, like pretty progressive or? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. How about yours? She, her preschool was super progressive. Mm-hmm. This one's kind of a, it's a balance, you know? Like they have mindfulness, but also like they do focus on academics pretty hard for. Yeah.

They focus on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even though they still have like the spirit of like independence and like, because progressive doesn't mean not academic. Progressive just. means cultivating independence, like encouraging kids to be like, here's some tools, go and

figure it out for yourself, kind of. Like, they want to get kids to be independent thinkers. Yeah. Right. How it was kind of explained to me was that like a more traditional school is always looking to the teacher for guidance, whereas a progressive school is trying to get the kid to the point where they're taking what the teacher says and kind of running off with it. And yeah, teaching them how to think. Right. You know. But, you know, it's not. Not for every kid, so. No, yeah, that's what I really like about my daughter's school. They're very individually based, so they'll see a kid.

Yeah, each kid. Yeah. That's great. Which is nice. Well, the fact that you had babies while you were shooting is insane. And like, did you have your kid on a hiatus from work? What happened was, I was in the fourth season of a show I was on. And I had gotten pregnant and they knew it.

And we kind of knew the show was going to come to an end. So I worked up until like 37 weeks, pregnant. Right. And then I had my baby and then the show was done. It was perfect timing in that sense. Oh, wow. Yeah. That is kind of. Yeah. Because I remember being like, I don't know how I could have a baby, be breastfeed, do it all, and be doing the show. Yeah. I brought my kids to work with me. They had a little nursery trailer with a little crib and all the stuff. And then set up like a little play area. I mean, I was lucky they like let me do that. Right. Isn't it crazy you just say let me do that? It's like that same mentality. What was funny is my sister had her second child and I had my first the same year. They're

like two months apart. And my sister's show shot on the same lot, the Fox lot. And so they were babies and they would play together. They would go and visit each other. That's so cute. It was really cute. It was very, very fortunate. Yeah. And yeah. So they're close cousins. What about emotionally through that, though, because I feel like, you know, I'm working with one girl who just had a baby. And she's like, why didn't you tell me I was going to feel all these feelings, you know? Well, you know, it was funny. I was reading this thing. It's so funny you say that.

An actress had postpartum depression, even though she had kids through a surrogate. And they were like, how could she have postpartum depression, even if she had kids through a surrogate? I was like, because your entire life changes, like from the moment you have a kid, your life changes. completely. You're never allowed to not be thinking about them, basically. You're never like, you're not taking a vacation from being a mom. Like, that is a huge, huge, huge thing that nobody tells you about before you have kids. Like, no one tells you that you go through this morning of your old life. Big time. And that you can have two feelings at once. Yes. You can be sad that your old life is gone and happy that you have this amazing new addition, you know, your child. It's a big

transition and I think people don't give enough credit. They're just like, oh, it's supposed to be complete happiness. And it's one thing I think my kids are learning as kids that go back and forth between mom's house and dad's house and having to compartmentalize. They're like, I'm happy to see you, mommy. I'm sad that I'm not with daddy. That they can have those two feelings at the same time. Like, that's a very advanced thing. I don't think I learned that until I was like in my 30s. I think my therapist told me that yesterday. And I went to school for this shit. That's like very advanced emotional intelligence. That's advanced.

And like my, I think my daughter said that the other day. And my son, like they both know it. And I'm like, you guys can feel both those things at the same time and it's okay. Yeah. And that's why I think it's like really fun for them to have us all together at the same time. Because then they're like, oh, I can just be happy. We're all together. And so I was like, it's okay to feel those two things.

I have felt those two things before, you know? Right. But like your old life goes away completely. You don't have that sense of like, oh, I'm totally careful. free. Yeah. Because you don't realize how care for you were before you had kids until you have kids. Right. And also fear. Like, had you ever felt fear like that in your life? I don't know about you. Never. But like, the fear when you first have a kid is so fucked up. It's real. It's so real. You're like, wait, you're letting me take this tiny human home. Yeah. You're letting. Yeah. Okay. Are you sure?

Like, yeah. Even the first like car ride, you put it in the car seat. You're like, oh my God, like you're going to die in this And they're so itty-bitty. And my kids, my kids weren't small when they were born. They were like pretty solid babies. And I was like, they're the smallest thing I've ever taken care. Yeah. Yeah, I have to keep this thing alive. Even like a teacup dog can do more when they're born than a human baby.

A human baby can do basically like nothing, but like, with a line to boob, you know. I know. You're so right. It's like, why do we do this? We can always ask ourselves. We're like, why do we do this to ourselves? We're like, the love is so much.

I know. Why did we do this? I'm so overwhelmed by love. I know. I mean, it's great. It is. It's great and it's scary. And it's two feelings at once.

Yeah. It's two feelings at once. Exactly. I know. Like elation and complete and total fear. Yeah. Yeah. My daughter, like, I told her that she knows my boyfriend, that he was my boyfriend.

And she was super excited, but also like super concerned about her dad. You know, that was like her first reaction. Like, how do you think daddy's going to feel about it? You know, and that's the same thing. Like, they have all these different emotions going on. But I think all of us seem to be pretty open with our kids. And like our parents obviously were and allowing them that space, which is huge. It is huge.

I know. It's nice for them that we love them so much. Yeah. Thank God for that. They'll do okay. My son the other day I, like, walked in his room and he's like, ha ha. And he, like, close the door. And he goes, no, you can't leave.

Oh. Isn't it? I was like, you love me. I know. I know. It's really nice to have that validation from your children. Yeah.

My youngest, he doesn't talk yet. He's almost three and he doesn't talk, but he's doing sign language because he has hearing loss. Yeah. And he's starting to communicate love. He does the sign for love. There's nobody looking and I'll just be like,

he loves me. Like, it's like I want to. shouted at the, like, it's just so fucking mind-blowing the amount of love. Yeah. It hurts. That's so awesome. It's just next level. It hurts.

But I can't imagine having to, like, bring a baby home and, like, not being in your little cocoon and going back to set. And I would imagine rewatching, because I know you're doing a re-watch podcast. Yeah. That's what I wanted to ask you about. Yeah. So I, well, it's funny. Well, I did get a few months off.

So, like, that was good. And then my first baby, they wanted me to go back, like, after. after eight weeks or something, and I was like, I think that's quite enough for me. And then so I missed a couple episodes. Megan Fox came in as a guest star for like three to four episodes, which is like random, but cool. She's very cool.

And so I came back like when my daughter was like three months or something. Okay. But I saw the first three seasons, every episode, and then I have not watched the last four seasons. So it's going to be interesting once we get to those episodes. Yeah. seasons four and six, I was pregnant and carrying around like, you know, laundry baskets and stuff. And I remember, you know, like there's the time when you don't tell anybody you're pregnant.

And the second one I was like showing earlier. And I immediately, like, I was like, I'm actually a different size. Just because like I'm actually, it was the costume department. And I was like looking at them. And they're like, I remember being like, actually, no, I'm two sizes bigger. I just want to have, like, I just want to my clothes to, like, feel a little bit different. And I'm a, you know, 36G bra or whatever. You know, I'd be like, don't worry about it.

It's like, oh, your size changed quite a bit. And then I remember coming back from Christmas break. And I was so obviously pregnant for like two months before I told anyone. And I remember coming back from Christmas break and I was like, full on obviously, obviously pregnant. And I remember turning to like Max and Jake and being like, hey, guess what? And they're like, we know, we know. They knew. Like the table read like for the like episode.

They're like, we got it. We've known for like months now. Oh my God. So you've already started rewatching and recording. We did a bunch. We did like 20 or something. Wow. Not 20 episodes, but we did like 10.

I think we've done like 10 episodes and 10. interviews so far. Okay. We banked a bunch. How is it like going back and rewatching? It's so fun. There's a lot of stuff I forgot and I'm like, oh. And once I see the episodes, it really jogs my memory. I'll be like, oh yeah. You know, there'll be an episode. Like there was one episode I remember where they had scouted this location at the top of this hill. It was like beautiful scenic lookout where you could see all of L.A. And it was like for this party episode. And when we got there, it was like fogged out. You could see like breathing in front of you. And everyone's hair was crazy frizzy.

And it wasn't anything like what we thought it was going to be. And so they had to change all this stuff. And so there are things like that where I'm like, oh, I forgot. And we would improvise a lot on that show. So there's a lot of stuff that I forgot. Like I'll remember people's ad libs, you know, when we go back. And that's always fun, you know. Yeah.

And all the guest stars. It's just, it's nice to. It's a trip down. It's a revisit. Yeah. Yeah. How about you? Because you've been doing a...

Yeah, I've been doing a rewatch. A rewatch for the OC. But for me, it's like almost 20 years ago. So I'm like watching this thing and I'm, God, how old? I was like 21 or whatever when it started. And like I've been having like crazy reactions because one of them is like I was dating my co-star like for a majority of the run. And I'm like rewatching my life when I was young and everything starting.

out and I would get depressed. Like I had went through like this depressed phase rewatching these episodes and I'm like I don't want to do this anymore. But yeah, but also like not remembering and I'm watching the show and it's like I'm watching it for the first time because I don't know anything that happened and not even with my character just like remembering these things. But it's been a trip just kind of going back through it all. And yeah, it was my first thing. So it's kind of a different experience where it's like, oh, well like elf I made when I was. 21. Are you serious? Wow. Yeah. And so my kids watch it. And I'm like, this is so weird. And I'm also like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that when I was 21. Like I was like such a baby. So it's funny to watch

things like from back then. Yeah. And something so iconic too. Like that is, you know, forever going to be in everyone's house. It keeps coming back. Yep. The gift that keeps on giving. The holiday stuff. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But yeah, it's been. You know, it's, it is interesting doing all these rewatches, but with you and you're doing it with like, you know, your cast and you get to be with them. It's fun because I really missed laughing. I really was close with everybody. Yeah. And we were like, we had laughed so much. And I liked that feeling like every day we'd go and we'd make people laugh and I would laugh so much and just making jokes and doing bits and all that stuff was so much fun. And that's what I missed the most

was like my set family. And so to get to do the show with Hannah and Lamourne is really fun just because I get to be around my friends that were really like my family for seven years. Yeah. It's so weird. You know, you create these families and then when it wraps, you're like, okay, bye, see you later. It was a weird shock because I was like, oh, my God. I spent more time around them than my family.

Yeah. For sure. And it was strange not to see them every day. Yeah. I'm excited, though. for your podcast. I love New Girl. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Yeah. It'll be fun. We're having a great time doing it. So hopefully it's enjoyable and interesting. Oh, I'm sure. For sure. And it's been so fun talking to you and actually like meeting you. Oh, likewise.

I know. It's so nice to meet you. All these years. I'll make sure I give you guys my email so I can sing at your wedding. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. We're reserving you for.

We'll make you a bride's made too. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. We'll have your dreams come true. I can't wait. I can't wait. This was a delight.

Yeah. We do this thing when we're kind of wrapping up. Yeah. Do you have a little game? Yeah. But I don't know. If you don't want to do it, you don't have to do it. Okay.

We do the good old. Yeah. We do the good old fuck Mary kill. Oh, God. Dude, we did this on my mom. I'm going to do this. We call it Mary Berry One Night Stand. What is, what?

Mary Barry One Night's Day. That's a nicer way to put it. Yeah. I never liked how blunt. I get it. You know. Yeah. I like Mary Berry One Night Stand.

So I'll play Mary Berry One Night Stand. Okay. Jack White. Billy Bob Thornton. Daniel Day Lewis. This is so, this is bad. This is like the steampunk version. Yeah, basically.

Right? Because I can see everyone in a steampunk. Oh, for sure. Like outfit. It's a Daniel Day, Louis. Like, yeah. Right? You can see him like in sepia tint.

Okay. I like the visual with it. You marry Daniel Day Lewis. Because he's a cobbler. He's going to fix your shoes. Everyone needs a good shoe fix. Jack White's the one-night stand. Right?

Yeah. A little volatile. Yeah. Yes. So maybe, yeah. Okay. Sorry, Billy Bob. It's only, it's just, you.

Yeah. You know what? I have less of an idea of what you'd get there. We're going to leave that. Buried. That's, okay. But I like that Mary Berry one-night's stamp steampunk version. Yep. I like it. I actually fully agree with you. Okay. Great. Great. Well, thank you so much. So great being on your podcast and I'll make sure you get my info. Yeah, please. And thanks for coming on. Yeah. Yeah. I'm seeing him from my wedding.

Thanks, Zoe. I really appreciate it. Thank you. So, you know, Olivia. Yes, Rachel. You and I both grew up in L.A. And it was just so interesting to meet and speak with Zoe, who also grew up in L.A.

But I feel like we know everybody that grew up in L.A. So I was really surprised when I learned that she did. Were you? Very. And also, she seems like someone that grew up somewhere else that was like really cool and mysterious. You know what I mean? Yeah.

To find out she was from L.A. I was like, huh? I think, you know, when we touched on it, it's like the Valley versus the West Side. You know what I mean? Like two different, like, you know, West Side Story. It is just like West Side Story. Am I right?

Or am I right? I don't think you're right. I don't. I think it's more like clueless. But did you find it fast? Fascinating that she grew up and like on the weekends wanted to go to the movies with her parents. I found that fascinating. Yeah.

Now that like couldn't be more opposite than what I experienced or what you experienced. So it was really interesting to hear that take on childhood. Sounds like she was much, much better teenager than both of you. I was going to say she probably was more like were you going to movies with your parents on the weekends? Me? When I was seven. No. No. You weren't Rob?

No, not not. No. What were you doing, Rob? Yeah. When? What age is our time? When you were in high school? In high school? Yeah, she was in high school going to the movies with her parents. I spent some time on tour in high school. For what? With different bands.

The circus? Different bands. I had a lot of friends that were older and in bands. So I'd spend a lot of time, like, in the city and, not at high school or normal things. Wow. Did you go to school? I did. So you were like almost famous?

No. It wasn't big. It wasn't bands that big. This was like... Oh my gosh. This was like... You're the enemy? This was like shows at VFWs in Indiana.

At where? Indiana. VFWs? You said... Yeah, what's that? You guys don't know about VFWs? I mean, I know CBGB. They're like...

They're like community centers, but they're like veteran halls. And a lot of them would have like local concerts for local bands. You know what? I can relate to that. When I was in sixth grade, I was in a performance group called The Cool Kids and we performed at retirement homes. Did you?

Can you do a ditty? This was not anything like that. We also performed at Six Flags Magic Mountain. Now that was like my big get. So when Zoe was out, the movies with her parents, Rachel and I were out at clubs playing drinking games

where we would go up and do live performances to people. Do you remember that? What does that mean? Okay, so we would go out like every night, right? This was a little older than high school though. Yeah, it was probably like 1920. So you had a fake ID at that point? Yeah.

Oh my God. How old were you when you got your fake ID? Well, I was, I'm two years younger than Olivia and all of our friends. So they were already 21 when I was 19. So I would borrow people's IDs, even friends. And then they would be like, I need it back. And I wouldn't want to give it back, even though it was theirs. And they wanted to go out. And I would get so mad. But of course, I had to. The point of the story is we would be at these clubs and we would go out in bars or whatever. We'd go out like every night. And we get bored. So we decided to play games where we

would dare each other to do things. Can you elaborate on what type of things? Why, yes, yes, I can, Rob. We would dare each other. They'd be like, go up to that guy over there and just stand in front of him and do disco. Now, some of you may not know what disco is. What's disco? But you go like this.

You go, you step, okay, you go up to someone and you go, if I didn't know their name, I'd be like, hey, you, show me. me how you disco. Hey, you. Show me how you disco. You step to the side. You roll your eyes. You stomp your feet. Then freaky, freaky, freaky, freaky, freak, freak. And you dance, like, freak on them. Like hardcore. Dance moves. Frantic pelvic thrusts on a stranger. I don't think Zoe was doing that. No. Oh, she discos. But wait, is that where you got the material? Because you're the one who showed us. Disco and all those little tidbits.

Did you get it from your... I got it from elementary school from my friends. Oh, you didn't get it from the group you performed at retirement homes? No, the group we performed like Escapade by Janet Jackson and get on your feet by Gloria Estefan. Yes, I'm dating myself, but, you know, it was the time. Did they get on their feet? Yeah, we'd... Hell yeah.

We got those old people right on up. Can we do that? Should we just do that? Yes, we should do that. I would love to do that. Unannounced. No, just walk in and just start performing Gloria Estevan. Yeah, just like flash mob. At nursing home?

Just us. And Rob has to do it, obviously. He's like the bodyguard for the strippers. This sounds terrible. He said that sounds awful. I think it sounds amazing. We wore matching bodysuits and boxer shorts because, you know, in the 90s, like, that was the look. And you had the red side and the white and blue side.

And I was the red and green and I was so bummed. And everyone else was the white and blue. Like my friends, and I was so mad. Whatever. It's fine. I'm over it. It sounds like it. What were the other things we would do, though?

There were other things. We would be like, go up to that. It was always to a guy. It was like, go up to that guy. Just take his beer and walk away. Like random things like that. Yeah. Dairs like that.

Yep. That were super fun. It was fun. It was very entertaining. Or like go up and act like you're speaking in. a different language or, you know, just really, we were bored, which is so sad that we would even be at those places if it was boring. It's like, then stay home. Right. Go to the movies with your parents. Yeah, we should have been going to the movies with our parents. Yeah, I hope that

for my children. Like, I want my children to be at the movies with me. Okay, never mind. I had a question, But I don't know if it's a touchy subject. But my nanny, the other day came to me and was like, I want to take Elliot, my son, to the movies. And I said, okay. And then I sat with it. And I was like, no. And she was like, what do you mean? I'm like, I don't feel comfortable.

Because I was like, I literally was like, what if someone like shot up the movie theater? Oh, man. I mean. You don't think like that? No. I do. You don't. I take Calvin in the movies all the time.

And that doesn't cross your mind? Like maybe right after that happened. But that, I mean, I worked at a movie theater too in college and end of high school. So, yeah. No. I do not think about that. What does that do for you? Give you some sort of like, I know the ins and outs.

No, it just makes it like a weird second home at a movie theater whenever I'm there. Right. I love going the movies. It's literally one of my favorite things to do, but I did have that. Is it? Rachel, hi, I'm Olivia. I don't like going on. I know you do.

I love the movies, too. I absolutely. I love the popcorn. I love the candy. I get the peanut M&Ms and the sour patch and a Diet Coke. And I love putting the candy in the popcorn. That's like the main reason to go to the movies. I don't like it either.

Peanut M&Ms are raisinets in popcorn. It's fucking delicious. No, it's like a terrible. surprise when you're taking a handful. It's sweet and salty. Like, what is not to like? I like it's separate. Separate. No.

I'm a combo. And then like I don't want my chocolate melted on the popcorn. I want my popcorn salty. We don't movie well together. Just eat them separately. But I know. I don't like going to the movie theaters. I don't like putting my head on the movie theater seats. Just like on airplanes, I must always cover my head. Just.

Yeah, see, I love putting my head. I love being at the movies, but I did. Think about that. What? Rachel tried telling me she was not a hypochondriac the other day. I'm not a hypochondriac. Germophobic. A little bit. I kind of put them together a little bit, but maybe wrongfully.

They're totally different things. They're totally. I'm not always like, I'm sick. I'm just like, that's disgusting. I used to be psychosomatic and I'm not anymore. That's good. You guys... What? You guys look confused.

No, I wanted an example. An example is I used to have a really hard time feeling my feelings. So instead of feeling them, I'd get sick. Oh, yeah. And so it gave me something to focus on, concentrate on, instead of dealing and processing the emotions. I am losing my voice right now, but it's not because I have feelings. I need to be processed. It's because of germs.

You've worked on a lot and you have the right to get a cold now and it just be a cold. Yes, yes. Basically. So yes, germophobic and hypochondriac is, they're completely different things. Yeah, I'll concede to that. I know. Oh, what do you know? But yeah, it is disgusting.

I'm very, I'm psycho. I told someone today if I go on a plane and I bring a pill, I double pillowcase it. So when I get there, I take the disgusting pillowcase that was on the plane off and I have a clean pillow. Yeah, I had a grandma like that, so I get it. Well, I am a grandma. I don't want to go to the movie theaters. I want to be bed, in bed at eight, watching whatever it is on my comfortable television.

Wait, so you bring a pillow on the plane? Yeah, usually I'll bring a pillow if I'm going somewhere, because I don't know what the pillow's going to be like, you know, at the hotel. And if you have one that's like... You only fly first class. You know, they supply pillows for you, right? Rob I do not appreciate your comments Is that not true?

Do they have I don't know? Yeah, they'll give you pillows Oh, you know? Oh, Rob knows They will give you a pill, yeah, yeah I thought you meant Is it true that she only flies first class?

Well, it's bold But I will say, Olivia, back to what you were saying Scared of being in a movie theater Because of that, it did cross my mind recently Now granted, we were at a Star Wars convention and there were like 5,000 people in there. Yeah, that's scary.

It for sure crossed my mind. And I was like, hmm, what would you do? You know, it's just a reality that you, well, I don't know if any, all people think about it, but I certainly do. Okay. I'm glad because I thought, uh-oh, have I gone off the deep end where, and I said no to her and she looks at me and she goes, why? And I said, well, I'm going to be completely honest.

like it makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable because of just life right now. And she's like, okay, because I thought the same thing. And then I thought I'm being crazy, aren't I? And I was like, oh, okay, so you did think it too. And she's like, yeah, I told my husband, and he's like not allowed to live like that. You're not allowed to live. Like, he gets so upset. He will shut it down. He will shut it down. And I don't know if it's a mom thing or a dad thing. But it's like living in fear. Yeah, it's not chill.

Is this new? I mean, was this before the Florida shooting that you thought that? No, this is, no, this has been going on since probably, I think probably since my cousin was at one of the shootings. Like I think once it hit home and like someone that I know in love was there and what they experienced. She was in Vegas, right? She was in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah.

That I think just completely landed different and it changed my psychology on things because it's not anymore something out there. Mm-hmm. You know? So it's trauma-based? I guess it is because I try very hard not to live in fear. That's like my biggest thing that I try to do. it's not easy for me. But I feel like, yeah, I do.

I feel like it's because someone I love was so traumatized that it kind of screwed me up a bit. Well, yeah, that makes more sense then. Okay. That's helpful context to why you would be afraid. I am curious how many people are like that now and how many people are like, no, I'm going to the movies or I'm going to a concert or I'm going, you know,

we went to a comedy show recently. And the same thing, I was like, okay, there's the exits. Like, that's where I would leave. Oh, wow. You didn't do that when you went to... Chappelle? Chappelle? No.

No. Oh, wow. I mean, I've thought that... I know one of the guys that was at the Bata clan shooting. He was playing drums for Eagles of Death Medal, and that happened. Yikes. But, yeah, I don't think that was. every time I go to a concert.

You don't. That's fascinating to me. Yeah. I will say like it doesn't cross my mind in like the everyday, but like bigger gatherings it has for sure. But I'm working on it not taking over because then you're just going to be in fear and anxiety and all those things, you know, which we battle anyway. Right.

And here's where it gets even more psycho. Jeff's like, we're not going to never go to a move. again and I was like, no, I know. It's just if that were to happen, I would rather be there than not be there. Right. Like, I wouldn't want that to happen and me not be there. To like put yourself over your children. Yes. I'm like, so he can go to a movie, but I have to go with him and them everywhere they go for the rest of their life. That doesn't sound healthy. That's going to get awkward. You know what I was thinking that's a little tangential, but people are always like, oh, you shouldn't put your kids into acting.

It's not good for them. They need like socialization and school and all this. And recently I was like, think I'm going to put my kids into acting because then they'll be schooled at set. You have to go through security. You're insane. And then they'll get famous enough where they can hire a bodyguard and have pretty. protection all the time. Rachel has bodyguards.

Shut up, Rob. You're my bodyguard. That's how good we're doing. I don't think we should expose this postpartum. I think we should bury it. What? Are you saying we should start over? Yes.

Why? Do you feel vulnerable? No, I feel like it's just dark. And people want to lighten up and listen to things that... But it's probably relatable. I think there's probably a lot of... parental figures feeling the same way and yeah I don't know I can't I it's hard for me to talk about because it's so upsetting well let's let's I'm sure that yeah yeah take it let's take a turn I got a question for you guys so Zoe calls Drew brother daddy mm-hmm what's the weirdest pet name you've had for a boyfriend

that I've called them or they've called me either amazingly miraculous vagina. I was kidding. That's what you call him? That's what I call him. No, I had a boyfriend where we called each other Pouti. Pudy Tang. Yeah, I guess that's a little weird.

Do you remember when I auditioned for Pouty Teng? Excuse me? Yeah. We were like 18 years old or something and we were dying because my agent called in there like, you have an audition for Pouti Teng? And we were like, Pouti Teng? What is Pootie Teng? Anyways, speaking to Pouti Teng,

how do you feel about like pet names for private parts? You've had the most lovers, so I think you need to answer this. I don't know that that's true. I think we did our count recently, and I think you might have beat me by one. Oh, really? Yeah. It's not that much, though.

I have to say, for my ripe age, It's very low. It seems like everything. It's a number thing. Nothing. The whole number thing, like, it's still a thing. I feel like as a woman, if you start dating, if you're single, whatever, you always ask what the number is, what their number is, how many have you been with?

It shouldn't be a thing anymore, but like, for me, I still want to know. So I've thought about this because I'm like, why? Like, what good does that do me, right? But then I realize I'm a sick fuck because if they have more and their numbers higher, it's more attractive to me, which is sick. Like, why would that be appealing? But it is. Unless they have something, a souvenir.

So it doesn't detour you? No, is that, that's what I'm saying. Is like, am I so fucked up inside that it, that it doesn't? I remember once I was dating a guy and I asked him how many girls he had been with. And he looked at me and he goes, let's put it this way. That's a good start. It was 150 by the time I graduated high school. I was like, I like you.

You liked him. I did. So you get it. So you're sick. You're sick like me. We're both very similar in our sickness, yes. Yep. Yeah, because a lot of other girls would be like, oh, my God, that's appalling.

I'm like, I don't know why. And maybe it's like a primitive like hunter-gatherer thing. I don't know. I don't know. It's experience, you know, and that's not such a bad thing. I don't even know if it's experience as much as it's just like swag. Yeah, it's swag. I'm like, oh, I knew you had something about you.

150 girls wanted to do that with that person. And you're like, oh, okay. What about for you, Rob, like, if you were to hear girls' numbers. Like, is it unattractive if it's high or low or what? I think it's probably unattractive. it's high. What would you think would be high? Yeah. I don't know. It's different

because I haven't when I was dating I was like 22. That's very young. Okay so hypothetically though like if you were... Like at that point I would have expected like four or five. Okay. Right.

And if someone if I was going on a date and she was like it's 35. I don't think that would be a turn-on. That would throw you. Yeah. Yeah, when I was that age, I think it was like, I remember I was 23, and I think it was like I had been with three guys at that point.

I think it's more to do with cleanliness, too, like you said. You know, but what I will say, you guys, I have some, like, you know, friends and, like, single that are older and, like, no dude wants to wear a condom, right? like when you get older. And in my mind, I'm like, does disgust. Like, you're so much older, like, how many people have you been with? But it's like a thing. Do they want to wear them when they're young? I guess they never want to wear them.

Like if you ever met a guy that, like, wants to wear a condom? No. Well. Have you? I have met a guy who has wanted to wear a condom because they're so terrified of getting someone pregnant. I've never come across that, to be honest. I've never come across the, like,

obviously I've used condoms, but... Yeah, condoms are not... They're fantastic for preventing disease. They're not fantastic for feeling good. Right. But they're great. However, I've never met a guy that's like, we have to wear a condom.

It's never happened. Yeah, I get... Yeah, condoms are no... They're not fun. They're fun for my uterus to not get pregnant. So I really, really enjoyed our conversation with Zoe, and I have to say, she gave birth to what we call our favorite game. Well, we were calling it Fuck Mary Kill, but she enlightened us and said, we like to call it Mary Barry One Night Stand. And you know what?

It's stuck. It's great. It appeases everyone. You still tell everyone both options. Well, because, you know, it's a classic. Yeah. But you explain it every single time now. But most people, I feel like, lean towards the merry, Barry one-night stand now.

Yeah, I agree. It's much more wholesome. It is. It's not as harsh, you know? Yeah, to publicly say you want to kill someone. It's a little frowned upon now. Yes. So we are sticking with it, and we can thank Zoe for that.

Yeah. Thanks, Zoe. Thank you, Zoe. Yeah, thank you, Zoe. for the lovely conversation. And I feel like I really believed her when she said she would sing me down the aisle again

if we renew our vows. I thought you were going to say, I felt like I really believed her when she said she would fuck Jack White. Oh. I wish that's what I would have said. That would have been good. All right, well, we'll hold her to it. And we just want to thank everyone

for sticking with us and listening. And buying a courage bagel a couple weeks ago, everyone in L.A. We sold a lot of bagels. Yeah, it was, can I tell you I crave that bagel every single day? Like, what am I going to do? I'm going to have to go there and be like, listen, I know it's not on the menu, but I need this bagel. I can show you how to make it. I was there when they did it.

And we just, we got to get their bagels. But it has to be those bagels. But we can get the toppings. All right, but still, it's just not the same. It's something about their toaster. Yeah. There's something magical. I love it. I actually talked about Courage bagels. I think with People magazine today and that bagel in particular. And I listed the ingredients and what it was like I was pitching a project to a studio. I was very into it. But anyways. Yeah. Well, thanks for everyone for listening. Tell your friends. Tell your friends. And Rob, tell your followers. Rob doesn't like to post us on his Instagram.

I close so much. I post so much on Instagram for the show. He's just bashful You are Rob, you're a little bashful guy All right He just doesn't want everyone to see Look at him He's like, all right

Can we cut this now? Can we just end this? Thank you so much everyone Thank you so much That was a headgum podcast