Bros & Shows - A Blah Reunion but A Bright Future for RHOA (RHOA Reunion Recap)

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

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I don't know. I just don't know. I have no idea. What was this reunion even for? We didn't do anything. Could have been an email. Could have been an email. there you go.

Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Tudor Mick Scooter. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. Genuine question. If we didn't have the husbands in this episode,

would we have anything to talk about nothing of substance i mean little things but nothing of substance and even with the husbands i mean i i somewhat enjoyed it i guess right i don't want to just like shit on the reunion it just seems like similar to the season right not a lot happened not a lot of focus um i i don't know because last time that we did this we did it for episode two and we had said wow we're really excited for episode two because we feel like this is where everything's going to get accomplished we're going to talk about the stuff that happened in the season we're going to have resolutions and then nothing happens so we're like okay episode three it must be right okay and then still nothing happened so i'm just genuinely confused i don't really understand

if it was just like you said how this is kind of how the whole season went it was very hodgepodge very like patchwork things just kind of thrown over fager coming in for the last two weeks just because that's kind of how we felt like for the the reunion and again free parts like why i don't even know if this needed one part this could have gotten the valley treatment last year and just like all right let's bail it in we're done we'll see you next year they could have one part of it and that's the thing if you take all three episodes and take the important talking points from those it's one episode maybe so it's not bad like the show is not bad the cast isn't bad i think that what i'm going to try

to chalk it up to is this season got wacky with the kenya shit they scrambled and i think that's a result of of this reunion i think you're seeing that happen with this right because the only thing i will say that i did take from it i have way more questions about shamiah than i did previously yeah i i just genuinely don't think she can carry a season i'm not saying you know i have said this in the past that i think she needs to get demoted back to being a friend of i don't think they're going to do that because i mean what's the replacement even look like i have no idea so maybe just don't have her be a centerpiece just have you know you're going to bring portia back no one knows what you're going to do with nini maybe you get phage of the full

season that's what it seems like they're going to do yeah have those people be the center Angela close to the center. Kelly did a good job, you know, bring Cynthia back as a friend of because she's great. But I don't know. I don't put a whole lot of weight on these housewives reunions as much anymore. You know, I don't know. They're not the same. No, when we first started doing this, I mean, we still had a lot of the franchises were still humming and a lot went into the reunions. But now outside of the big two with Miami and Salt Lake, they're just boring. there's just nothing there nothing gets accomplished it's all fake niceties you know some people apologize to the other person they just kind of move on but we don't really have any burning questions that we

really need to get into unless you're from salt lake or from miami where you've got a lot of these things that are festering and boiling over and then we just have to have these two finally sit around and talk about it and talk about it on stage and finally get a breakthrough that's what we get from those big hitters the rest of the houseway franchises i could do without the reunions and i'm not this isn't like negative on the season I think the season was better than anybody really anticipated since we're doing that in the circumstances yeah for sure

I mean we heard it was a dumpster fire the entire time they were filming and we got a pretty good product honestly against all odds so I'm you know I'm not going to knock them for having a shitty reunion because it's just it was boring there wasn't a whole lot to talk about

and I think you listed reasons why this is not like we're not in dire straits here you know Angela was great. Kelly did a great job. Fadra, I'm sure she'll bring it next season. Portia, we can chalk it up to. She went through as she claims the hardest year for life.

So maybe that's why it seemed like she was phoning it in. Shamea is a, I think she's fine. I think she's a good supporting role. I don't think that she was meant to carry the season. I think that circumstances happened and they were trying to figure out anybody. They really thought the Porsche was going to. Porsche's big comeback, it just so happens that time was working against them. It was the worst year of her life, as she said.

So I don't know. We know it's kind of funny, actually, because when we go through a lot of reunions that don't hit or seasons that don't really hit, we don't really have answers. You know what I mean? We're like, yeah, what are you going to do with the cast?

I don't fucking know. But for this, we seem to have a lot of answers as to why it didn't hit, what we want to do next year, what we have. And I think that weirdly enough, even though I'm complaining about the reunion being boring,

I think we have a pretty good cast. And you can make some little, tweaks here and there. And I do think not fully demoting Shimea to a friend of, but like pushing her to the back a little bit, still giving a full-time housewife. Drew will probably bring it next year because she's not going to have as much going on. I'm sure that her and Ralph are still going to be going through a divorce the way the mission is going. Portia, you know, you're going to have to give her a kick in the ass. Like, all right, you know, we gave you a season off. You phoned it in for the most part. Give us a little bit more. Angela's going to step up because she's got a season under

her belt. Kelly will step up because it seems like she understands what's going on and she has the brain for it. So I do think they have a good cast and they've got a relatively bright future with whatever they want to do. It's just we had to get through this season. And I think that's probably what production was looking at too. And I hope that they take that into consideration and don't try to panic and be like, shit, we got to rethink everything. You've got the pieces. Especially if Nini does come back. Like you've got a great cast in all of them. So I think that we're going to have a solid year next year. I think it's going to be a step up from this. I'm not, this wasn't a moment where I was watching this like third part like oh my god just end this fucking show already just like all right like get through this and we'll get to next season but let's jump in a little bit again there's not a whole lot of staking points this I found extremely interesting because we knew there was beef between the moms

shamiya's mom and Porsche's mom had a little little tension between the two of them this is a wild move so shamiya's mom bought Porsche's mom's child care facility after she was foreclosed on. That's shady as shit. That's wild. You would think if we had, we only do that just as like a headline. We would think it was clickbait and then you get into it. And it's like she bought it.

She added some money to it. She infused some capital in there so that Porsche's mom could get back to doing what she loves and helping out the community. Something along those lines. But no, this was just. just a petty shady move i've got money you don't okay boo who see yeah like that's fucked that is so crazy and look i that's the other part of this we really were just kind of there wasn't a whole lot to focus on but we were really honing in on where is the fray where's the issue

between shami and portia are we going to see it because we talk about how they're talking about each other on serious on serious radio and they're talking about each other and watch what happens live like clearly they're not in a good place it may be just as simple as like stuff stuff like this i guess i mean this is like this is a thousand percent of reasons especially depending on how chamea actually feels about it and obviously she's going to back up her mom but did it go a little bit further after the reunion i don't know we don't really know but i was still honing in on that like okay maybe we're going to get a huge like cut and dry reason what happens why are you guys drifting apart and instead it just seems like two friends that are at odds and i i don't think either of them

really knows what to make of it the more that we got into it between those two like the more they discussed everything because we get to the the text that apparently shamiya showed brit and a couple of the other ladies now we don't have confirmation of that whole thing i don't know if that's exactly how it went i could see it going that way given i have a lot of questions about Shamia now because a lot of the things that she was saying we got the run around a lot she was placing blame elsewhere which I thought was weird because when the text came out or whatever and the underlying issue being Shamia needed somebody to talk to because she feels a certain way about Portia so she's now blaming the ladies for relaying what she said wrong

yeah I don't like when you do that I don't like when you place blame elsewhere I don't neither. And I do think that Chimea really thought, well, Brit's not here to blow smoke up anybody's ass. So let me just use her as a scapegoat or an escapegoat, if you will. So we can just go that way. But I don't think she was anticipating that nobody really would believe that. I think she was like, yeah, I'll just, and we even said that, I think, in the first two episodes, like, Brit's not here. This is kind of stupid to keep talking about shit that she was involved in, because everybody could just deny it and put the blame on Brit and she's not there to defend herself. I think that's what Shamiya was trying to do for the most part.

Like, all right, yeah, I'll just blame Brit. I don't really think so. It's just the context of the situation. Yeah, maybe Brit embellished a little bit. Yeah, maybe there were some other things thrown in there when she was retelling the story. Fine, I'll give you that because that's the kind of person she is. But you definitely still showed these ladies, those text messages. And I think timing-wise is important. It was around the same time probably right before they had that really awkward dinner between

Portia and Shemia. So that makes sense because you guys were at odds. you guys were kind of just beefing in a petty, shady way without actually doing anything up front. And you were talking about being a lap dog and you were like, I'm not Porsche's lap dog. Here, I'll show you. Like, all of that makes total sense to me. So I do see you doing that. And you do have to answer for it.

And I don't think she was really prepped for that. No. And like, you know, the ladies that she had confided in about some of her issues with Porsche, you know, Drew, I think Angela was involved with that as well a little bit. Drew speaks up. And she's like, you said you had things to get off your chest. And now you're telling us that we're wrong for telling Porsche or just for us relaying the story wrong. What it boils down to what we saw all season, she is frustrated with her friendship. And in some aspects, rightfully so.

So when you hear that, this again turns into a moment for me where it's like, okay, are you afraid to go full throttle and step on Porsche's toes and maybe say the wrong thing? Because even Kelly's like, now's the time, dude. If you have things to get off your chest, do it. it now and she's like nah i don't really have anything to get off my chest i was like that doesn't make any sense and you're like and you're blaming these women that you leaned on for giving you an ear like that all of it just caused me to not trust her i'm like okay so i think the read i got on her for a lot of the season now that she's rattled and things are starting to shake out and you know portia's claiming that she claimed a lot of things episode one and two and i wasn't fully believing

her but now she's like you know we have a private friend group that's not on this show she went to them and told them that i wasn't happy she was on she's telling everybody that i'm not happy that she got her peach but again we've seen the video over getting the flowers we've heard portia say multiple times that's never happened given all the ways that she's spinning things now and stepping around things i believe portia i think that shermia's trying to start a bunch of shit because and i think what it boils down to she felt a certain way about portia and I think she went to people with this story of she's not happy for me. You know, she hasn't congratulated me because she was hoping that they would assume that

Portia is back on the show. So now she thinks she's better than everybody. I think that she was relying on that. When it's breaking down, I don't think that's what we have. I think Shamiya's like, fuck, my plan didn't work because nobody believes me. Yeah. And if we go back to the first and second episode when you and I were so big on Shemia being on the show,

it was false bravado clearly i mean she was very insecure about her or securing her peach and getting on this show and she was talking about it all over the place and all it really took if you look at it just over the course of the whole season was a few little words here and there from other people on the cast about her relationship with portia so clearly she was already insecure about that she didn't really know where the friendship lied she feels like she wasn't getting as much love from portia as she should be and again porcia just had the worst year of her life so is she going to get that to anybody, probably not. So Shamia wanted so much more. She wanted for sure to move heaven and earth to make sure that she was happy, getting her peach,

getting on the show. And that's just, you can't expect that from really anybody, let alone what Porsche was going through. And we saw Porsche all year. We had complaints here and there, like, all right, she's just phoning it in. She was probably going through it, honestly. And she's a very tough woman. So she usually doesn't show her emotions like that until it gets to that point. And we understand that because we've seen her on TV for a long time. So all of that makes a ton of sense. I do think that we, we as an audience, we were delivered a disservice over the first two episodes because it was so goddamn confusing between all of the, the alliances that were made, who's involved, who's not involved, who are we talking to? There's all these group texts going on.

I'm so fucking confused by the time we even get to this point. I don't know how to make heads or tails of it. I have no idea who they're talking about. I have no idea who feels what type of way. It's all so confusing. But I agree with you. At the end of the day, I feel like I'm leaning towards Portia's probably telling mostly the truth. I don't think she's telling the full truth. Not the full truth. I don't think she ever does. But I do think that she's telling most of the truth, and Shamiya's not. And that's really all it is.

And you can tell just based off of how Shamiya responds to these things. It just seems like she just kind of threw a bunch of lies at a wall. And it's like one of them's going to stick. No, when you lie like 15 times in a row, especially about stuff that we already heard in the first two episodes, and now you're changing your story. We're going to have a lot more questions. And I don't know. Maybe it's good for her that most people,

seem checked out on the show. I think a lot of the comments that we get are like, thank God, you guys are watching it. I'm glad you guys are watching. So, so I don't think she's going to get a lot of backlash. I think that's kind of the, the byproduct of a boring season, a boring reunion is that people are so checked out that she's not going to get that backlash online. Again, I do hope the producers understands the situation and they can try to make minor changes here and there so that we get better product next year. Just a couple of tweaks and hopefully nobody shows lewd or lascivious, lecivis, lecivis, lecivis,

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so your business can stay unfazed. Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty. Oh, boy, but we do get into Drew a little bit, And we get the montage of Ralph and Dennis and all of the claims that were made over this season about, you know, is she canoodling with Dennis? What's the situation with Ralph? That whole thing. We get a recap of the sad divorced dad's cribs in the basement with Ralph, which is always funny to me. It's always a hit.

But I don't know why Ralph's there. Like, I don't know why he continues to be part of this show. It's weirdly entertaining. I know it is Drew knows that Drew knows that That's why she's still Yeah

That's the only reason he's still there She I don't know Who was it recently When we were doing a We were doing a reunion And somebody was invited And they turned it down It was a husband or a partner or X or whoever

They had invited somebody And they were like Oh it was Bugs Bunny Fucking Tj Oh right Yeah So TJ was invited and turned it down

And we're like Oh that's kind of weird made a lot of questions about that guy one ralph is never going to turn it down but i also weirdly because of what they're going through and what we saw with their divorce i i know bravo and andy are very shady i don't think they would have invited him without knowing or at least checking with drew first oh this is all she knew he was coming she this wasn't a surprise obviously and i think she was all for it and again i think i like drew i think drew's great for the show i think she's awesome i thought she brought it the season i feel like she for whatever reason got kind of like

knocked to the background when i don't think she should have i think she's one of the more yeah she lies her ass off but i think she's pretty authentic and she usually delivers season season out so i don't know this is just the whole drew dennis ralph thing i have no idea who's telling the truth and it got to a point where i don't care i don't really give a shit either i think that there's half truths and all of it i think everyone's telling their own semblance of truth but i think that it's their perspective on the matter. I don't think there's a flat-out lies going on. But what do you think?

Do you think that Dennis or Drew wanted to initiate some sort of sexual conduct? I would imagine at some point during this relationship, there was sexual tension, yes. Yes, I do believe that to be true. From who to who? Who initiated? That's where you lose me. I have no idea. They're also really good or really bad at lying.

I can't tell which it is. But I don't know who to believe because they all lie so bad. It's crazy. Yeah, I got, because I'm just picturing a moment like, you know, they're in the studio late at night, it's been a long day, maybe having a couple of drinks. Things are a little bit, you know, little tense. I can see that and see either of them making a move. And when you get text messages such as, you know, I'm not trying to F Drew or whatever, the fact that he even referenced it to me is like, okay, well, clearly you're feeling. some kind of thing or you wouldn't bring that up especially to Porsche because

unless Porsche said are you fucking Drew yeah because where else does that text come from if there's no tension whatsoever this is the only thing that I think I understand and this is Dennis to Portia I believe in my heart that Dennis figures that Porsche eventually is going to have that question for him so he's getting ahead of it because he's afraid of Porsche's backlash or he's afraid of whatever might happen. So I think that was him getting ahead of it like yeah she's

I think she's trying to fuck but like I'm just trying to get paid like oh that's what it was yeah I'm trying to get paid not yeah so I think that that's the only piece of this entire scenario that I'm like I understand why you did that and why you texted Porsche that so that you can get ahead of it so the Porsche is

not turning it around on you like oh are you fucking drew because then he has no what to do He's going to scramble. So he's trying to get ahead of that. That makes sense. But then Drew gets involved and she's talking about it. And she's like, I never, I never did anything to you. I never texted anything to you about wanting to hook up or anything like that.

I never said anything to anybody else. I don't know if she did. Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. Who knows? She could have said something in that beautiful scenario that you just painted late at night in the studio. What a great picture you just painted there. It was a stew, you know, some.

Just sitting down doing some pottery. Yeah. What? Yeah, that goes to a pottery studio. Oh, wow. And Shwayze's there. Yeah. Swayzy.

Like, how's that even work? Well, in the one scene, he embodies Whoopi Goldberg. I know they don't have sex in that moment. They don't have sex, yeah. No, he just touches her face, I believe. If I remember correctly. The scene in that movie where the demons come out of the vent

and drag that dude down to hell scared me for years. Years. I saw when I was like, eight. And that shit, I was like, that's how it happens. Like, if you go to hell, they just like, scoop you up and pull you down. Yeah. RIP Swayze, by the way.

Can you have like half ghost, half human baby? Did they actually? Is that what ectoplasm is? Yeah, ectoplasma is ghost sperm. Everybody knows that. Everyone's aware of this. We're about an ecto cooler.

Were we all just drinking a high C sperm? No, we were drinking, what's his face is sperm? What's his name? The green guy. Fuck, what's his name? The brother's going to kill me when he listens to this.

slimer. Yeah. That's exactly what it was. And we knew it. Yeah. We all knew it. We don't give a shit. That shit was delicious. Oral ingestion only. Yeah. Oh, God. It was written on there. Where are we? Was it really?

No. Oh, I was like, that's definitely what it was then. Look, it's late, guys. We don't record this late anymore. No, we don't. Give us a break. But the Dru and. Ralph's situation I want to talk about a little bit more because I'm getting the sense now more than ever. I've always thought this. We've talked about this many times that they know what they're doing. They are in this together and they play it up for the cameras. We get borderline

the most convincing confirmation of that that we've ever gotten because we get that scene. It's like an Instagram clip of Ralph is cooking. Drew walks behind them like feeds are a little bite of steak or whatever. They're both smiley happy. ever fast forward when the husbands come out ralph more or less says that it's like off camera we're great on camera she's really mean to me but off camera there's love there there's this there's that there i believe that but i also believe that he's in on it so i think he's calling attention to it to try to throw people off of it at the same time it's like no you guys are in cahoots this is this is your plan by the way it somewhat works but i do think that they're

they're like completely on the same team as far as production. Yeah, divorced couple collusion, we can call it. I don't understand because everybody falls for it. It just starts up a conversation about how good of a husband he is and how good at co-parenting they are. That is not what we watched all season. What are we talking about? The co-parenting fine, but not like. Yeah, yeah, they were good at co-parenting. I'll give them that because there was the one scene where they were playing football outside and they were okay. But everything after that, like yeah i guess if you want to take ralph's word for it which is you know wouldn't advise but i just don't understand we didn't even really get into that deeper we just kind of took their word

for it and i think that's just again i think that's just the territory that we're in when it comes to drew and i feel like the way that bravo and andy kind of treat her is yeah we kind of know what you're doing it's really not that captivating i think that she does herself a disservice because there is a lot of stuff that she does on camera that's good but when she does things with ralph or her personal life. It's like, I don't really genuinely believe you any of this. I think you're playing it up for the camera, which, you know, people do. But I think when she does that, it just takes away from everything else that she does that actually is good. I agree. I think that's a good way to put it. It's just interesting to watch these two navigate this show because

it just seems so obvious sometimes. And maybe I'm on an island with that one. Yeah. But the funny thing, because we talked about this all season, there's multiple women going through divorces and it seems like nobody is teaming up and talking about it. Like a lot of these women are experiencing a very similar point in their life, maybe sit down and be friends. I don't know. So I'm glad that we finally got that because Andy's like, why is there no compassion for Drew's divorce? Yeah. Which, yes, great question. Why is there no compassion for Drew's divorce? Why is she the only one that doesn't get to go through it when she's getting a divorce from this man baby that lives in her basement and Kelly was like well I really did want to connect and even Angela's like

no you fucking didn't like at no point did you want to connect with her you're calling her a liar like and Kelly's like no no come on it's like no you you didn't make any kind of effort to connect with Drew the thing that we all just kind of pointed at was when they were down in Grenada talking about the divorce but neither of them brought it up to each other Angela had to be the mediator to say oh yeah you know she's also going through a divorce wow really that was 90% through the season. We were almost done with the season. Fager had been there, so we had less than two weeks left.

That's when you guys finally started talking about it, and that's when all of us were like, yeah, why didn't you guys try to be friends about this? Also throw in Portia going through a divorce. That could maybe help. I don't know. Just spitballing over here. Who knows? Whatever.

Whatever might work. But yeah, I think it's incredibly laughable that Kelly tried to spin that into. I really wanted to talk to her. No, you didn't. You did not. not remote called her a liar episode one that it never got better no and you never really talked much after that honestly but that was from the the fucking alliance they started that damn alliance episode one they were going after portion going after drew i guess i think that just kind of got pushed to the back at some point the alliance can't forget the alliance this is where drew

loses me though consistently this is the perfect because people like when is drew lying like we got called out for that all season when we'd say drew is lying even though the whole cast is saying it but whatever, it's these moments because she's not fully lying, but she's doing a Drew, as what I'm going to call it, because, for example, she gets mad that Kelly called her a liar. Kelly's like, well, you said you purchased something at the Baumont event. Drew's like, I did. No, you didn't. Yes, I did.

But then you get the details. It's like you didn't really because you kept in contact with whoever the representative was for the company and because they allegedly didn't have your size you bought it after the fact so you bought something but you didn't go to her event where they were donating proceeds to charity so it's not a lie but it's also not fully true and then you get another one with the mj's my cousin thing like is michael jordan actually your cousin she's like guys i was kidding it's like you weren't really though like you weren't full on like michael jordan's my cousin but you weren't Denying.

She tosses out, and I don't think the ball main thing is a good example of this, but she does toss out a ludicrous statement here and there.

And she can try to spin it and say, I was joking. I can't believe you guys actually believe that. But if nobody says anything, she'll double and triple and quadruble down later

in different conversations and add more details to it. That's what she does. It's sort of like con artisty almost where it's like, yeah, if you guys sort of believed me about the MJ thing,

the next time that we talk about it, I'm going to say we went to a barbecue together with his kids. Then I'm going to start talking about how I know all about Marcus and Lars's divorce or breakup, rather. Well, we do. Because we know about that for sure. But I also know about it because I was there. And then she'll start building this fucking story when nobody calls her out on it.

And a lot of times it's just because people don't really feel like taking the time to call her out on things because it is so ludicrous. But that's what she does. And we see it all the time. We've seen it for seasons. That's what we're talking about when we say she's a liar. which she doesn't lie about it's not like she's lying about Ralph she's not lying about the things that they went through and all their divorce stuff she's lying about little things to try to make herself a little bit cooler give herself a little bit more of a personality and it just never hits yeah or she's slightly changing what actually happened like it's such a druism that's the perfect way to depict it was these two examples I think but we talk about the Ralph and Portia lunch you know when she was third wheel to Shamia and to Ralph, I have questions about Shamiya being there. I mean, she says that she was trying to dig up things, but now after watching her performance

this for union, I'm like, was she just trying to behind the scenes put together all the ammo she could so that she could just try to push herself to the top? Was she insecure and was afraid to lose her peach or she was doing more? I'm not really sure, but the more I think about it, the more I have questions about that lunch with Ralph. I do Go ahead Faulty execution is what I think it was

I do genuinely think that she had Porsche there Because at that point in the season We were still talking about how Drew and Porsche I haven't sat down yet They're not having that conversation that they need to have Then all of a sudden we're having this lunch That was set up by Shamia Then Porsche shows up

I think it was like almost like a set up gotcha moment Like hey I know if I've got Porsche and Ralph in the same room One of them is going to say some outlandish shit That I can take back to Drew Start some shit up and then maybe have the two with it like it's sort of it's just like housewife strategy i think but i don't really it was super clunky and i really think that's all it was i think shamiya was much like the rest of us really tired of hearing about uh portion drew not sitting down and talking

about this and just talking around it decided to just force herself in there with a sledgehammer except it didn't work and it ends up blowing back in your face and i think that's kind of what we got from it okay i can dig that but the one thing i agree with drew with obviously She was hurt by that whole thing. I didn't think of it from this perspective where it's like you're hanging out with somebody who's publicly humiliating me. He's going on Twitter.

He's going on Instagram. He's doing all these things to shame me. And meanwhile, you're hanging out with him. And then Portia calls out the potential fraud. She's like, I thought it was fake. I thought you guys were in this together.

Like, I can't keep up with your lies is what she said. It's like, Shamiah, why did you set it up? This was crazy. Shamiah's like, well,

you call it. me a lap dog so I was leaning into it. It's like, what does that say? That's the dumbest response ever. What do you mean? I was so taken aback. I'm like, why do you think that would be a good idea? Like, what is this going to further? You're just proving to everybody that you are what they say you are. But then you claim you're not. Yeah, you want a lapdog behavior. I'll give you lapdog behavior. Yeah, I'll show you. You're already doing it. This is just forced and we don't like it anymore. I don't really get it. Yeah, very strange response. But we do get to find out about, black. We still do

not know what their status is. They're fucking dating, dude. They have to be dating. If he's handing out pens, right? Like, you're promoting his brand. Yeah. He's like a brand. No, we're not dating. Here's a pet. Take a pen. You also get a pet.

Here's a bet. I just I don't believe. I'm sorry. I know people are going to come for us in the comments again about calling Drew a liar, but I don't really blame her for this one necessarily. she still has a very public ongoing divorce any ammo that ralph can ever get he's going to use against her so of course she's going to deny this but we're sitting here talking about this and we know drew

because we've seen her a lot they're dating they have to be dating everybody in that room knows they're dating which is fine and again it's also fine if she doesn't want to let it out yet like that's fine too because of what you're dealing with it's just funny like the thing with drew that is really entertaining is like it's never negative drama it's not like you watch it like oh shit you're just kind of like laughing along like it was the most frivolous bullshit yeah like so funny true it could not be true but there's no ramifications either way nobody's lives no one's life is ever like in danger or exposed to the media or anything because of something that drew lied about she's always lying about herself she's always lying

about somebody really close to her and it's always the most minute detail about something and she's like oh i got away with it i feel so good about that's like whatever that's what we mean when we say that she lies about stuff. It's not grand claims. It's just like random shit like Michael Jordan's cousin. And that was the funniest thing when we said that there were so many comments like, you idiots, she was

kidding. I was like it didn't look like she was kidding. Like she seemed pretty stupid. None of those people can look us in the eye and tell us that if no one called her on it, that she still wouldn't be sitting here saying that she's Michael Jordan's cousin. Exactly. That's the best example. If nobody had said that's not true,

she would take it to the grave. That's all. But again, it's funny. We know a lot about MJ. He's not going to talk about this openly. She never has to worry about anybody fact checking her. Well,

maybe Marcus. Depends on what kind of bender he's on. But, you know, Marcus Jordan catching us straight. I'm team Larson now, I guess. I don't know what's going on.

Oh, God, no. Well, the husband's come out. And this moment probably is what convinced me that there was some kind of tension because Dennis it was such a like dude moment where he's caught and he's tried to like spin it a little bit and he's like oh no well that's not what really happened because it's about Dennis and Drew working together and recording together

because we were told that Dennis had talked to both Ralph and to Portia. That's what Drew had heard because Dennis told her that. I'll talk to her. Don't worry about it. He sat down with Ralph out of respect and just said, hey, man, just want to make sure this is cool, whatever. Yeah. He did not talk to Portia.

And he told true that he did. And he's like, well, no, I didn't, but I did. This is the best, though. I know. He's like just stammering because you can tell. And it's like such a guy moment where it's like, no, come on. Like, you know. He doesn't want to lie to Porsche.

That's all it was. He's afraid of Porsche. I'm like, I get it. It's fine. We watched that scene with you guys in the car and you were probably genuinely terrified. I get that that's fine but you got caught and you didn't have anything prepared for this he said we not think

we sort of talked is what he says yeah we sort of kind of talk he beat around the bush a little bit Porsche gave him an out at some point but I think Porsche is just done she's just over this whole thing I think Drew drew had a little bit more energy for it in this episode at least talking about it but Porsche is done

she gave she pushed back a little bit and then once he kept going she's like whatever yeah yeah you text to me something. I don't fucking know. And I think Drew probably has more energy for it because of the ramifications of it, like what it implies. Because I don't think in any world she was trying to swap studio time for sex. I think that's a stupid claim. I think that she, whether you shoot her McGuder, believe it or not, like she is a legitimate recording artist. This album is apparently really, really good. So I don't think she needed to do that, obviously. So when you hear that, I

get why she would be defensive, because it's not just, you know, her integrity, but it's also the integrity of her work. So I respect that. But I think it immediately gets called into question, though, because of the way that she handled it in the beginning. When she said this is going to pay for PJ's college, you opened that door. If you never said that, I don't think that this would be nearly as bad. And if it was, it would just be the ramblings of Porsche claiming that you guys are sleeping together or that you're trying to trade studio time for sleeping with them that's what it would have amounted to instead because you open the door with that PJ comment then all of a sudden it's tip for tat like whatever she's going to talk about me she's

going to talk about my kids and I'm going to talk about her what's actually going on over there yeah exactly yeah I don't know again the the implications or the fallout from this is nothing so it's fun absolutely it's just watching dennis squirm was hysterical and then ralph chimes in and this fucking guy bro he's fucking unbe Unbelievable because he's like, well, you know, I did talk to Dennis, but then things became weird. What? Shut up. Shut up.

Because he says that Drew mentioned something to him. When in passing on the basement stairs, what are you talking about? Like nobody believes that for a second. And Drew's calling him a liar. She's like, you're not going to come out here and do what you do and do this shit. he with a straight face says i do not lie it's all you do ralph i'm a lot of things but i'm not a liar yeah okay buddy whatever you say and a liar you're all of those things i don't him inserting himself into this was very funny just because if i'd hear one more time from either of them between dennis

and ralph that they were boys and then they checked in with each other and that's my boy and obviously I got to check in with him and make sure everything's good. You guys didn't really check in. I just don't see a world in which Dennis was like, oh, yeah, by the way, you know, I'm going to go over to the studio and I'm going to be with Drew for a few hours. Like that, in passing, sure, I'm helping Drew with her new studio album. That's it.

There was no more conversation about it. So the fact of Ralph is trying to add more to it. Like, he knows fucking anything. He doesn't even get service down in the basement. He's siphoning Wi-Fi from the upstairs. is that's what he does that's what he's doing on the weekend he leans against the wall and steals it from the neighbor like that's how he gets his Wi-Fi is Drew changed the password so he's got like the other moms at the school that his kids go to just sneaking into the gaining community or not sneaking him that well just trying to like deliver him different things she honestly probably that woman came in to give him gossip about what's going on because I'm sure Drew's like yeah I'm doing all this and that whatever they're probably not even hooking up It's probably just so that she can keep here. He can keep tabs on Drew while he's not a row.

It's that or he wants Drew to think that they're hooking up and she was dropping off homework for one of the kids. Yeah. Like it could be something like that. Oh, he left his shoes at my house. Oh, drop him off. Sign in too. Make sure you sign in. Put a timestamp on it.

Can you actually do me a favor and pull halfway into the driveway so it sets off the motion sensor on the camera and then walk by slowly. I want to make it look like you know who you are. Yeah. That's probably how. Crazy. Drew went and looked her up on Instagram and found her. I think anybody would do that in that situation. If you found out, you'd be like, I need to see who this is. Let's hope to God that there aren't other situations like this, because this whole living in the basement thing is ludicrous. It needs to be, I can't believe the judge.

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Be like goldfish. Dennis has more to talk about. He doesn't want to talk about it. But I didn't know he dated Britt or went out with Britt for a little while. Like, that's news to me. That was pre-Portia, so it doesn't really matter. But then Kelly's like, yeah, he was in my DMs. I'm like, Dennis, what are we doing?

That's too many. You know exactly what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly what he's doing. But at the same time, it's like, just watching him who is not even really involved in the show. And he seems like I don't have any issues with Dennis whatsoever. He's fine. But watching him have to, like, answer for this at a reunion for the real housewives was, because he's like, oh, shit.

He's like, no, like it wasn't even like that. Like, I just, I texted Kelly to like check in or something. Like, I forget what he said. He, like, swiped up on a story or something and responded to something and, like, we know what you're doing. You're a little slime ball. We get it. Dude. You're using your, uh, your ex in Portia as a way to get into potentially a romantic relationship with somebody else from the show or show adjacent.

That's all you're really doing. Because then you can chalk it up to it. No, they were on the same show together. Like, it's not that deep. Also, he dated Brit for a little bit and we didn't hear shit about that the whole season. Nothing. Zero. I don't know.

Why? I have no idea. idea could have been a good point that that probably points to brit being afraid of Porsche she wants to talk all this shit and act like she's tough but when it comes down to it that's a loaded gun that you could have set up at any point no pun intended with the claims that she's made with kenya but i just you know and i know she made nice with portia at the end uh in that scene to get back at um shemia so or kelly and shemia so i know I don't know.

Maybe that she wasn't part of her alliance. That's what it was. She got kicked out of the alliance. Then she wanted to come up with Russia. Bingo. Nailed it. It took me a second, but we got there.

All you have to do at this point is just bring back the alliance and it all makes sense. Everything makes sense. Or it doesn't make sense. And that makes sense. Yeah, we're on the same page. But let's get back to Ralph and the lady in the basement because he immediately says

it's not true. We have video evidence. We have a timestamp. We have a picture of her. driver's license and her signing in to the guard booth oh yeah never mind she just pulled up to talk about fitness it's all about fitness because we're doing a fitness video or something like what do you do what are we doing to say that she came over i don't know yeah i don't know he didn't he never clarified what the fitness video was for i think that's the other problem with ralph though once he starts going down

any story we want to call him out on it just to see what his reaction is but he keeps talking and then he just loses me because i don't care you know what i mean yeah and it doesn't whatever he's talking about it's probably not the truth and at the end of the day it's ralph so who gives the shit and then he just keeps going and he feels like he gets off scot free because there's never any follow-up questions he's like yeah yeah i'm the man yeah i'm chef daddy yeah look at me i look so cool right now look at my i had a confessional i had a confession i had multiple confessionals because i'm ralph where's my peach but like just watching him finish it up

his segment you know this guy who is a he's just a dick ralph's a dick he has the emotional intelligence of a child and he wants to get up there and have a speech about male emotions loving kindness and all of these other things it's like you don't embody any of these things sir we've seen how you talk and treat drew so why are you going to lecture us on being kind to people loving people that dinner that you had with drew what two years ago still haunts me when you were being awful to her on that anniversary or nice night you set up and your big thing was like I I spent all the money on these flowers you're going to do this to me right now it's like what the fuck bro so that's who you are you belong in the basement

and no one feels bad for you but I do genuinely think people get tired of them so there's no rebuttal because he went on a two minute three minute speech about all this shit at least and people were like yeah I couldn't even tell you what he said honestly It was about love and kindness and male emotions and apologizing for saying horrible things. You're tweeting out terrible things about Drew's mom and dead father. What? Yeah. That's not nice.

He doesn't have to answer for it because nobody cares what he has to say. Yeah, probably. Until it gets to. And this is case in point. Once it gets back to Kelly and Kelly starts talking, instead of going in on him, Kelly just goes, you know what? I think you're a great father to the kids. I really appreciate what you're doing.

over there in the co-parenting situation. Great job. And he's like, thank you. Thank you so much. That really means the world to me. It's like, Kelly just doesn't feel like dealing with your shit. That's all it is. She just doesn't really feel like going after you because it's not worth it. You're just simply not worth her breath. I agree 100%. I thought Charles did a great job.

I thought he handled himself well in this reunion. I was actually pleasantly surprised with how attentive he was. And his responses I thought were great. They were waiting. He was on go time. He was, I mean, well, all right, but he was on go time. He still makes zero fucking sense, so I love this. I thought he did.

He has even less of an understanding about how dating works as you do. I mean, I give you shit for this all the time. He truly doesn't get it. That whole Wendy Williams thing was fucking hilarious. That was funny. I like wine. I just didn't feel like going over there because she had a cat. What do you mean?

So you would have gone over if she didn't have a cat? I would have had a glass wine. And I've known her for a while. So you would go on a date with Wendy. I'd go over there I'd have a glass of wine with her Would it be a date It would be I've known it for a long time

It would be long to like what is he saying I don't know confusing in Angela Poor Angela Again I agree with you I do think that he did I think he did great because he was just entertaining But poor Angela has to step in like every once in a while

And be like Charles Just say that you were happily married Acknowledge that we've been married for 11 years Not 10 years but 11 years And acknowledge that you don't want to go on a date with Wendy Williams well especially now because who knows what Wendy Williams is up to right now but just acknowledge something just do something and like eventually he'll get there it's just kind of funny to watch her like have to step in and control what he's

saying yeah and they talk about the rough patch with his mother-in-law and obviously she passed away suddenly so yeah that part was sad that was super sad and it is nice that he was able to see on screen her say that she was sorry for for their falling out and all that stuff but the Fajer and Shemia stuff was just fucking hilarious. Yeah, dude. I genuinely believe him. I don't think he knew who they were, and I don't think they hung out. I think they were in the same room.

Charles was probably just standing around talking to the two people in the room that he knew, one of which may have been his wife at the time, one of which could have been the host of the party, sitting there drinking wine, making small talk, and then leaving. And then every once in a while taking a picture with a fan. That's all he was doing. He didn't meet Fajer. He didn't meet Shemia.

I don't believe. that he did. And I just love that he just stood his ground the whole time. He's like, I don't fucking know you. This is what I was alluding to when I said he did a good job. I thought this moment he handled himself well because it's like if we went to a party and Jalen Hertz was there, we would tell everybody that we went to a party with Jalen Hertz or we met Jalen Hertz. You would take that story and run with it a little bit. I wouldn't say I know Jailen Hertz. No, but if you multiple times ran into him at a party, whatever, it feels like because Fager's in similar rooms as him, maybe in passing

said hi, she's going to say, yes, I know Charles Oakley. Charles Oakley said hi to a random woman walking by him at a party. Correct. That's what happened. So the way he lays it out, I thought was perfect. Because her saying, like all these years, I didn't know he was married. He's like, why would you? I don't know who. else is married and that's a great point it's like if you look around people you don't know it's like how are you supposed to know their marital status other than a ring did you look at his

hand was he wearing a ring maybe he doesn't wear a ring i don't know but to make that claim implies that you have had conversations with him yeah alluding to him not being married so it's a much bigger claim and him saying it the way he did i'm like it's completely right that's 100% true yeah and he drops a haymaker with everybody wants to know about me but what about you guys where's your husbands it's like oh i love that that we've seen that clip for six weeks now it seems like i'm happy that it came after he explained himself when we knew that eventually they were going to have questions about like were you married did you have another baby with somebody else like it didn't really get that intricate they didn't really get too deep into it but i'm happy

that that's what the ultimate situation was. The climax of the situation was, I got you guys. You guys don't know me. We're not friends. You know who I am. I don't know who you are. By the way,

why does everybody have any questions about me? Where are your husband's at? Great. Boom, done. Mike drop. Get out of there, Charles. Great job. Nice work.

That's all you need to say. We find out he dated Shiree for a couple of years, which is really funny. And we get the great line. Google me and Google will tell you, been married for 10 years. 11 years, Charles. 11 years.

That's what I said. Whatever. I've been married for a while. And the last thing is the outside baby that we heard about, but we've already gotten the explanation for this story. And Charles says it verbatim the same way that Angela said it. So I believe them. Yeah, I believe them.

I have no reason not to. There's no other evidence that points to the contrary. So whatever. No. And, you know, we recap the Madison Square Garden incident, him getting kicked out of there, what that did to their marriage.

this sounded really tough. I guess he needed to take a step back. It sounds like they were, I don't know if they were separated, but Angela doesn't imply that there was other women. Yeah. So that one gets a little, yeah, she seems. Yeah, I don't think they're going to open that up too much.

I thought they opened it up more than they should have probably. I was like, wait, what now? It could just be one of those things where Angela, they were already questions about it and they were kind of getting there and maybe they would next season. trying to bring it back up again. So maybe by just kind of copping to some of it, I know I understand,

but maybe the copying to some of it and it seems like Charles is okay-ish with it. I don't know. It's a bold choice. I'll give her that. Yeah, I don't know. And it wraps up with the usual, you know, are you guys okay?

Is this going to be okay? What do we have in store for this friendship? Blah, blah, blah. The way that I look at this, you know, we've talked about it at length already. There's a good product. here this show will be fine i think they got thrown for a loop with the kenya shit and they scrambled to try to make it better it's a good cast they go down the list especially with

gone i think everybody on those couches deserves to be on this show and i think everybody on those couches can do a good job on this show i think that you just need to get off to a better start because you can't have some crazy incident in the middle of it yeah that derails like that had to derail every storyline, everything, because you know Kenya was going to be an integral part of the entire show. They might have tried to center it around Kenya for all we know. Yeah, they could have been pushing that way. We don't know.

Yeah. So I think the show is going to be just fine. I don't think we need to panic. It was a large, it's one of those, those pillow-shaped speed bumps that I despise on the road. Oh, they're called speed tables or speed cushions. Oh, yeah, speed cushions. I think that makes more sense. But that's all it was.

We had to get through it. I think that there's still a lot in store. And I think that the cast is good as is, which is bizarre for me to say. But I truly believe that's what it is. I'm still very confused about Shimea and Portia, but I do think that it's just one of those situations where they know each other so well. And their families are so intertwined. But there is a lot going on and they're having a bit of a fallout.

They'll probably end up getting back together. I don't know. We'll have to see how that goes to the house season. Yeah. I think that they will. And I think that they should. I think that Shimea would thrive if she. I don't want her to be a lap dog ever,

but I do think she would thrive if she's cool with Portia. Like that's a fun team. I like when they're together and they're not being mean to each other. I just don't know if we can ever get back to that after how this season went. Because as soon as she's a full-time housewife, everybody has questions about her being a lap dog. I just don't know if Shamea is ever going to open that door gum. No, but I will say this.

I should have said that when we started the episode talking about it. I don't think that Porsche has an issue with Shimea being on the show. I think Shemia has a chip on our shoulder to prove something to Porsche or more importantly to prove to all of us that she doesn't need Porsche. That's what it feels like to me now, which is not what we heard throughout the season. Like I weirdly, I spent the entire season as team Shemia and in this last episode, I'm like, I think I'm not on any team. If I had to pick, I think I'd pick team Porsche now.

probably yeah i'm sure there's a couple of questions in here about that too let's check it out right away lolligagger 926 team Porsche or team shemia now that we have more info team Porsche myself i think team portion is the right move here me as well me as well uh from mgania halla 18 i take back all three parts being needed what was that i do remember the question last week you did say i'm excited for this being three parts I'm happy that you came back though because yeah no that's I love that I love when people can admit that that's great yeah let's see from Josie thibbert part one was so bad is it even worth watching two and three or just listen to the pod just listen to us there's no need there

really nothing happened although if you haven't wait Josie's not going to hear this until the end of episode three. So how are we going to tell her? Oh, man, I don't know. Two and three. Has she listened yet? I don't know. Hopefully she'll figure it out.

Kayla, Joan, do we need a recast? No, we really don't. Don't touch it. Let it go, a regular season. Maybe bring NeNey back if that is on the table and leave them. Let this group go. I think they're going to be just fine. from Jamie Gibbs on a scale of that one season of Rossi

how glad are you that this is over this is not even remotely close to that season of Rosie not no god that was like this we didn't hate watch it was more just like confused and slightly boring like but it wasn't like we didn't hate the cast on on Rosie that season we hated everybody that was brutal Rachel Mickelis I'm glad the season's over mainly so I can stop hearing you complaining about it were we that complaining i don't think we were that complaining we

were just confused the whole time um i mean i i do think that yeah we probably complained a little bit now what i'm thinking about um yeah me personally i don't think about it yeah you were a grumpy gus a lot i was trying to see the positive but i think that this episode in particular rachel when you're listening to this we were a lot better this episode we were talking about how there's a bright future so you know that's because we're done no so we could see the other side uh let's see let's see one more mama two little c did you guys see shamias apology video no it didn't no i god the only video that it's that's been on my timeline today has been uh you'll probably see it um

i watched the jacks taylor fucking can't know that shit was on That fucking great was that Dude, it never gets better It actually gets worse This is the best you're going to feel right now And you feel like shit Do you want to come on the podcast He invited the woman that he gave a cameo to

On the podcast Yeah, I don't see another apology video on here No, the video that I saw was fucking Jen and Gretchen Doing a some sort of fitness video But it was like It was stop Asian hate and they were beating up a dummy and they played like i don't even fucking know like weird

music in the back it was just bizarre it was a really bad look i don't yeah yeah not great at all not at all no but i did not see the shemia video um but again as you just said the season's over season's over so i don't really we're i'll be invested next year but yeah we got i will be to watch now um but yeah for anyone that thought we complained we actually are pretty optimistic about this cast and show so we try leave us alone we try damn it but uh yeah that's all i got you got anything else nope well that's our show these bros got to go i'm amy nicholson the film critic for the la times and i'm paul shear an actor writer and director you might know me from the league veep or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters.

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