Bros & Shows - A Horse Is A Horse, Of Course...Unless It's George (RHOA Full Recap S17E16)

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

What's up bros? We're finally at the Shamea stalemate we all saw coming. Every person in this group has at one time or in this episode tried to just get her to admit fault and take real accountability but alas, she will not. Thankfully, everything and everyone else on this show has been bringing it so we're still having a good time here and who doesn't love a Halloween Bum Rum party (we spend a lot of time talking about Bum Rum)? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, despite Shamiya's, quote, unquote, business partners telling her that it wasn't financially viable to make bum bottles. It appears that we've gone that route anyway. Did we? Or was it just like castings of everybody's bum to celebrate bum rub, which is a terrible name, by the way. I don't want to drink that rum. No, no. Did anybody think that through? I think she'll be just stopped.

Yeah, no. PT. No. That actually sounds more appetite. What about poo bro? It was way too early in the show for us to be doing this. This is like, people just clicked on this this morning and they're like, oh, what are the

bro's going to talk about now? Are we going to ease into this one? No, we're actually debating what you would like to consume. And no. Other than bum rum. Yeah. Rum bum. I think.

Rum, rum sounds way worse. Is it? Which is it? It's bumbrose. It's rum bum. Oh, no. But bum rum is what I keep thinking. And that sounds way worse than rum bum.

Yeah, I guess it does sound way worse. So credit to Shimea, her team? I don't even know what the hell is going on. Does she even own this thing? Like, is she a cost going? She's a distributor, essentially. Yeah. Okay.

That's what I thought. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it. I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Rum Bum Magoutes. What's up, dude? I was hoping that maybe our discussion about Rumbum was going to keep you away from using

my name like that, but I don't learn. I never learned. I should have seen that one coming. Yeah. I don't know what's going on in this season. I feel like we're winding down a little bit, but winding up at the same time.

That makes any sense? I feel like Scotland kind of, in a weird way, I guess, you know, a big focal point of this is how everybody's feeling post-Sotland, which we know on shows like this, everybody just kind of like, yeah, I'm going to phone it in until the reunion.

I'm going to phone it in until like the big party at the end. I don't know. I don't know what to expect anymore. Everybody's all over the map, which is good. I actually enjoy that because I don't know what to expect, but I do still enjoy the show. I mean, we've had a really good run for the last probably eight or nine weeks at this point.

I mean, we're getting the double digit to this point. No, it's great. Like, it really is a good show. The cast is showing up. Kay Michelle has settled in very nicely. Very happy to see that. Pinky is like a season vet at this point. Like she's just going with the flow.

So no, it's a great show. And they've had a great season and we needed a good season after last year. Now what it does, though, is highlight Shamiya and her poor gameplay. Because everyone else is, even Kelly's doing well. So now you look at the board and you're like, well, there's one outlier here. And it's Shemia. And everyone knows and tells her pretty much what she has to do to kind of rectify the situation. she's incapable of doing it because she doesn't take any accountability.

And that's the funniest thing. She has lots of legs to stand on if she wants to go up against Portia because Porsche goes low too. But you have to acknowledge your part in it first without saying, like the way that she's saying that. I acknowledge my part in Scotland. It's like, yeah, but by doing it that way, you're implying that you're not the problem. You have to acknowledge your part and take full ownership of your part. without saying, I'll take part for this one. But this, no, you started all of this on a podcast when he talked about Porsche's mom.

We all know that and remember that. You seem to forget that. And you don't bring that part up. You keep going back to the story that Portia posted. That's her smoking gun. That doesn't work because we know better. And her inability to say, I'm wrong, period, is keeping her from moving forward with pretty much everybody right now. watching you try to come to grips with, I know what you want to do and you want to try to, you know, give some advice on what we should be doing if we're Shemia.

But I don't know. I think you started down that path and then you realized it was just futile. Like, I, there's no reason to be doing that. Yeah, because like I do remember her saying specifically, I take accountability for my part. And I'm like, yeah. So it goes up the window. Right. But it's not the same.

You know what I mean? No, I know exactly what you. I know what you mean. I just love watching you try to come to grips with it because the normal thing that we do is, all right, if you're a normal person, here's how you do this where it's not coming off like you're an asshole and you can actually move forward. But I think we've done this song and dance with Shemia so much over the last two seasons. At some point, push has to come to shove.

She's never going to do it. And I think this is a little bit more of an important episode. I mean, you're really in trouble if newbie K. Michelle, who has, I don't want to say she's having a good season because I don't think she is, but she's not having as bad a season as she had in the beginning of the season. She's kind of figured some things out along the way. At the very least, she's kind of just like slinking down in the background, like, all right, y'all make some friends here and there. I'm not going to talk about my friendships until I have a scene with them as we see with Angela.

But she does have some friendships amongst the group and she's been able to try to work her way in. But even she's calling it out. I mean, even she's sitting down with me like, all right, like, really? Are we going to do this? Is this how you're going to go about it? We've been doing that for two years. We know that she's never going to change. If you're a friend of hers and her and Porsche have a very long history, I do think it's a different element.

I do think because they have a deep rooted friendship and they've been together for so long, they might expect different things. But for everybody else who's known Shemia long enough, they're like, she's not going to take accountability. Angela has her absolutely clocked. And that's exactly what it is to the tea of exactly what she's doing. And she even explains it in a way that everybody can understand. And we all acknowledge it. But we are getting to that point where a couple of people are still showing up for work. A couple of people are just kind of looking at Shemia like,

she's not going to change. She's not going to do anything. There's no reason to even have this conversation. I'm going to have some more bum rum and move on with my life. Yeah, it just doesn't, doesn't fly. But speaking of bum rum, rum, bum, that's where we start the episode. Shemia returns to Atlanta. She sits down with her lawyer, I think.

Yes, her attorney. Yep. And we get into the rum. Turns out that they got a. email that morning out of the blue. I don't believe that. I don't believe this. This seems orchestrated.

Yeah. Yes. And he was like, well, it turns out that they don't want to be in a partnership. And you basically just have the option to purchase this at a wholesale price. So again, like you are a distributor. That is such a hard left turn from what we were talking about and what that first video conference was. But what it sounds like to me and later on when her quote,

unquote business partner who I think is somebody that works at the rum company is like, oh no, we're still doing it. We're just separating everything because I don't believe you either. Nope. I think what happened is they had that first meeting. They all looked at each other and were like,

I don't think we should do this. She doesn't seem serious. Did she just say bum rum? Yeah, I think people on both sides of the street realized that this was not going to work. I mean, Gerald, the way that he broke it down, I love the Shamia eyroll. like I can't believe he's really going into this.

He knows what he's doing. And I understand that I appreciate the fact, because we're in a housewife show, that they have a lot of money to burn. I mean, she's six figures into this. I don't understand how she's six figures into this, but without doing anything. She offered six figures is probably what I believe that either. I really don't understand that. But when she breaks it down, I agree with you.

I think that this entire scene was orchestrated. I think that this has been something in the works for a while pretty much after that first meeting that we saw where we all had a lot of questions. Gerald had questions. It dissolved. I mean, it got down to a point where, yeah, all right, we're going to offer you wholesaling, distributing. But that is a far cry from partnership. Partnership is way up here. You somehow skipped about three levels of minority owner, majority owner, whatever you want to call it, at least having some sort of ownership so you could walk around and say this is my rum, technically. You skipped all of that and went down to distributor. And then she acts shocked sitting here.

I'm like, come on, you knew this was coming. Maybe she's hiding it from Gerald or Gerald already knew about this. And they're like, yeah, just go on and do whatever you're going to do. We're going to figure it out behind the scenes and try to do something. But I find it really hard to believe that they didn't at least offer her, hey, here's 5% if you give us some seed money, that'll make it a lot easier to break into that economy, that we can get it up and transport it up to the states. Then we can spread out. And then maybe we'll offer you somewhere down the line like in a contract where you can somehow buy more,

like whatever, something like that. But I do think that the way that this has been going and the way that she has been putting this and framing this whole situation is she's afraid to just admit, much like she's afraid to just say she's sorry and taking accountability. She's also afraid to admit like, hey, this shit didn't work out. It sucks, but I got to move on because she goes at everybody else for doing that same thing. She could use a little bit of Angela. Like, ah, you know what? I bought two properties. I had to take a huge loss.

I learned I'm moving on. It's okay to do that. That's business. If you talk to anybody else in the cast that has a good business. They've gone through this, but Shemia doesn't want to go through that because she's Shemia. So it is kind of funny to watch, but like I don't believe anything. I don't either. And I'm sure we'll get more about it next week.

I don't know if I'm going to believe any of that. I think we're done. We, I'm not going to say it. Nope. Yeah, don't do it. All right, we plug the bum rum. We're done. Plug it up.

Plug up the bum rum. But we get to Kay Michelle and Angela doing couples yoga with Kastin and Charles. and Charles and they're just kind of letting people know like, hey, we actually are friends. Like me and Angela do check it on each other. Kay Michelle walks with Angela because of the same reasons we fuck with Angela.

She's real. She's authentic. And if there is shit going on, she brings it to the group. As Kay Michelle says, she brings this stuff to the table. Now, Kay is concerned about Shemia. And admittedly, is she annoying

and doing stupid shit? Yeah. Does it seem like there's something deeper going on? Yeah. Like it does seem like something's up with Shemias. Okay, Michelle is worried. And she hasn't talked to her since they got back from Scotland, which is weird because they talk every day.

I still don't understand why they're so close, considering that Shemia tells Kay that everyone tells me how to be friends with you. The whole thing's kind of confusing to me, that whole friendship. But it's more confusing on my end because Kay has seemingly all of these boundaries and checks boxes for. friendship and it's she's so quick it seems i guess that she's very quick to cut people off and just not be around that energy and then shimea shows all of that energy all of the things that kay has been saying all right i don't want anything to do with this she'll do it and she said yeah you know

we're still friends it's weird we talk every day but we haven't talks in scotland i'm like i don't i don't get it i don't really understand where this all all came about i don't either but angela does point out the issue with shumia is that she is a perpetual victim this is a is what she does. Somebody hurts her feelings. She acts like she was bullied. She acts like she is the one being attacked. Does not acknowledge her part in anything. And that's the entire point. As Angela says, she's the one hurting people. The weapon is in her hand. And until she figures that out, she's going to continue to try to be the victim. This is everyone's gripe with her. This is what we've been yelling all season. The problem that we're having with Shemia is her inability.

to acknowledge anything that she's done. And that's the crazy part. As I said, like early in the episode, she would have a good defense against a lot of this shit if she just took ownership without doing it in the way that she's doing it. Like just really acknowledge, I've been kind of an asshole.

I've been messy. I'm not going to do that anymore. Without pointing fingers, don't try to make anyone else apologize for anything else. Just say, I'm sorry. And she, because she'll say, I'm sorry, but then she said, but then portion did this. I'm sorry, but then, you know what I mean?

It's just like, you're never going to move forward with anybody. She's never going to be able to move forward with anybody. The ship has sailed. And she has moved on so far that no one's ever, like even just the situation that you just brought up, if she took accountability and said, you know what, I'm not going to do it anymore. I'm not going to be messy anymore. I'm just going to live my life. No one's going to believe her.

And neither should that. There's no reason to believe her. She's showed in so many different things that she's done along the way. But again, this is Angela just calling it out. And I don't think this is like some crazy read that makes so much sense. And it's like an aha moment. It's very obvious to most of us who are watching this. It's very obvious, I'm sure, to the majority of the cast,

it's just whether or not they want to get mixed up in it. I just think it's very funny to go to K Michelle and be like, hey, your friend. I know she's your friend. I know that's your girl. But this is what she does. I mean, it's insane. Every single time somebody turns it. And it's very funny too because Angela, I mean, I know she's,

she's had her problems with Shamea, but in Scotland, she just brought up out of nowhere. She's like, did you fuck George? And she's like, you know what? Maybe it's right. Maybe it's not. I mean, I heard something. So I'm running with that one. I talked to Ashley about it as we talk about later in the episode.

Talk to Ashley about it. She's kind of denying it, but it has nothing to do with Ashley. I just put in some sort of confirmation. Yeah, I get a little messy, but it's okay. She lives that life because she came in on this show doing that. Like, all right, I got to know everybody. I found out some things. I'm bringing it up.

Oh, it's not true. Shit. Swing and a miss. My bad. I won't do it again, but she does it again. She gets away with it because she's able to do that. She has a good track record of doing that. Shimea could get there eventually,

but the more that she goes down this road, the further away she goes away from being able to have that sort of trust with the rest of the group. She has no trust. I don't think she's going to be able to get that trust back. I think Kelly will be her friend. Kay will be her friend.

Maybe Pinky. I don't know if Kay is. Kay apparently unfollowed. Who knows? She probably followed her. She unfollowed like three or four people after the reunion. So let's see how that was. one goes. Yeah, she's still a big question mark. But Porsche and Pilar get some pictures taken and

ow, I dropped my book. This is what happens. This thing gets stuck on my chair and then it pulls things. I need to rectify that. Let's go. I'll move it. What's the book? It's my recipe book. Oh. Yeah, it's me and pop. A recipe's in there. Sounded happy. It was. It wasn't great. Anyway, Portia and Pilar get some family pictures taken, but this scene is just to kind of highlight her dating situation once again

and try to figure out who she likes. Is it Mike? Is it going to be sway? She's got to double date with Mike and Kay Michelle later this episode. This sets the scene for that. But there was a text message from Shimea inviting her to the party and asking for a mold of her butt. So again, I, I, it's so annoying because like, yeah, we like people moving on.

This is insane. This is insane. Yeah. You don't do that. No, this is not the olive branch. Like there's a conversation that needs to be had as everybody else acknowledges. And Shemia, she does things like halfway. And then she's like, well, that's good enough because later on she's like, look, I tried.

And then she hit me with this, which is pretty much like, fuck off. So I, look, I wait my hands of it. I tried. It's like, no, you haven't tried. I don't know what Shamiya expected. And I actually kind of do know what Shamiya expected. And it's exactly what Portia did. So she can then go to the rest of the group and say, I still invited her to the event.

I still wanted a mold of her butt. She basically told me to fuck off. I mean, she said it about four or five times. She wants the sympathy from the group. She wants the group to look and say, okay, you're being the bigger person. You're moving on and you're trying to invite her to an event. this was like a two-parter. I want to make sure that Porsche is there because Porsche is a good promoter for this

so I can take pictures and show the Porsche was there. And everybody's going to want to do that if they're a fan of Porsche. And it's also just to show the rest of the group like, hey, you know, I'm not being petty. I'm invited. It's like, no, no, there's different things. There's different levels to this. This is not some weird squabble that just kind of popped off because you guys are annoyed with each other.

This wasn't something else. This was very, very deep ties to your family. This is like a no-no zone. You went there and now you're just kind of ignoring it. Like, oh, yeah, I mean, maybe if she showed up here tonight, we would have been able to have a conversation. That's the world that Shania lives in. She just wants to do that all the time. She's like, I'm the bigger person.

I invited her. She didn't want to come. I guess we'll never have the conversation. It's like, no, no, no, you did something wrong first, much like the podcast, which I love that she does that because it is just bookended right at where Portia posted something on her story talking about, which I don't even think is that bad. I know we keep the mothers out of it. We get the kids out of it, whatever.

Is it really that bad to be like, you know what? I don't really care for her mom. She bought my mom's daycare out from under her. It's like, okay, disprove it. Like it doesn't really have. These women don't have peaches. We can talk about them, sure, here and there. But we don't have to have a whole drama piece about them.

But you never go back far enough and she never does it even here. Yep, exactly. And that's kind of her M.O. And that's why she gets so frustrating. And like there's no, there's no difference, right? She doesn't do anything different. It's the same song and dance, same bad reactions, no adjustments being made. And it's just like it's a one trick pony.

It's not, it's not working. But Kay sits down with Shamia to try to get through to her. And she's like, look, I need to understand what happened because you're in this like, fuck the world place right now. And what's going on with Porsche? Like, why did you feel the need to go so low, so fast? and this is what Shimea does. Well, she went, no, damn it, stop bringing up that stupid story. Because even the story was not verbalized the same way that you went after Porsche

with multiple things. You know, like the, the Pilar thing was bizarre, where you're like, well, I used to hang out with her daughter. Again, I don't think that's for clout, but it is kind of strange. And then you talked about Porsche's mom trying to bang your dad or your dad trying to bang someone's trying to bang one of your parents and like yeah that's low and that comes out a left field and you guys were seemingly moving into a direction of cordiality it wasn't you guys were well right again according to portia it just you guys were coexisting is all i'm saying i don't think

that there was any point there were friends but it wasn't a coexistence between the two of them and that's kind of all we need but shemia and i think kamesel says it perfectly you can't let this failed friendship define who you are because right now you literally are like you are the slighted ex friend of Porsche that's it that's all you bring to the table this season yeah it really is this conversation went exactly copy and paste every conversation that we've seen Shemia have about Porsche in two years I thought maybe it was going to be a little differently I don't know why I thought it was going to go differently but it did not Kay came about it I love she tried different angles when she brings up the Polar aspect it was so funny it was

was it was likened to like you're trying to steal her child pretty much just what i'm sneaking around yeah yeah you're sneaking around and going through gerald and then going to polar and like acting as if you got her child without her knowing it was very bizarre i thought that may have actually struck a chord at some point where she may it would have been like whoa whoa whoa no that's it's it's not even at all what i was trying to say but if that's the way she took it we could have gone that way we didn't go that way okay let's try this one i'm going to do the whole i'm going to do the heartfelt, you're not the Shemia that I love. You're not the friends that I really fell in love hanging out with. You're just all like coiled up and you're ready to strike it all times.

You're not fun loving. You're not doing it. Well, I've got a reason for that too. It's like, Jesus. Like every turn that Kay tries to take, which I appreciate what she was trying to do, she's just trying to break through and just get something of substance out of this. So then she can go back to the rest of their group and say, look, sat down with Shemia. I think things got weird. Tensions got very high, but she's at least remorseful for this. I can tell you. take one piece away. She didn't give anything. She really didn't. She's still playing defense. And it's just, I don't know if she's just so used to playing defense that it's just her comfort zone now. I mean, I know she says, this is what's been going on for the last two years. And I'm,

tired of it. I'm exhausted. It's like you don't seem tired and exhausted because when things aren't popping off, you're still trying to make things happen. So which is it? I just never really understand it. I just need the rest of the cast to see that. And I know we have, obviously, we're privy to all the confessionals. So we know how Shimea feels about different things. But the cast is starting to wake up or a lot of them have already woken up. But Kay was that last domino where it's like, okay, this is our last ditch effort. It's still not working. Exactly.

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ralph and the divorce and things like that she's taking every opportunity she can so that she can provide. Ralph is trying to get primary custody. I don't know how seeing he doesn't have a home. He lives in the basement. But it was just a reminder that this stuff is still going on. And I do feel really bad because I'm sure getting divorced from Ralph is a fucking disaster. Yeah.

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But we get PJ and, Porsche once again going into a new house and Miss Diane and Porsche bought her mom a new house, which is just nice. You know, these scenes are great. Portia's taking care of her family. She's moving mom into a new place, sold the old place in Duluth. And now mom's getting a new swanky house and she's ecstatic. That's it.

Just a nice scene. That's really up. Yeah. Just a nice scene. I like to see that little flip of what she's saying she got a million dollars of equity from selling the first house and just flipped it immediately into the other house, paid cash. All good. That's what we want to see. That's what we want to see. Yeah, it's awesome. So good for her.

Happy for her mom, Miss Diane Rocks, but let's get to the rum bum. I didn't even realize this was the launch. I thought this was a Halloween party, but then it turns into the bum rum rum, rum launch. But it's not really a launch either. It's just, hey, I got a couple cases of it. I guess they sent her a couple cases. I still don't really understand how they then infused it with flavors. I know they were talking about doing peaches and all this stuff. That didn't really work out. So it's artificially flavored. I'm very confused by all of that.

I thought when we were building up to it, because when we had that scene in the beginning of the episode, it was going to turn into the season finale party. It was going to be this big thing. We just kind of just skated right to it. It's like, okay, I guess we're just doing this now. Why not? Yes.

And before we get into everything at the bum bum bum, rum party, bum bum, we had to check in the bum bum bum bum with Porsche, Mike, Kay Michelle, and Kastin are going to dinner. This was just funny because clearly Mike is head over heels about Porsche. Yeah. And that's played since, you know, episode one when he gave the speech at her party. But she's not interested in this guy anymore. I don't think she knows how to break up with them or break it off.

So she's like, I'm going to go to dinner. It's going to be nice. He's too nice. She's stuck in that zone. She, he's just too nice. she even said what did she tried to say something

she's like you know I was ready to go I was just really enjoying myself but he showed me a different side of him earlier today and then she just kind of goes further into saying how much he loves her

I'm like well is that is that the side that we're talking about I don't know it is kind of weird no she she just kind of like abandoned that one she's like wait no

never mind this is going to come off way worse than I wanted to I'm lost This guy's too nice to break up with. Someone help me, please. I'm going to make a big stink about the fact that he just told K.

Michelle and K. K. K. He doesn't tell me privately. Now we're going to be able to get somewhere with this. That's how I'm going to do it. Still too nice. There's nothing you can do about Big Mike.

No, this was Big Mike's Hail Mary. I'm going to tell her grand gesture. I love her in front of cameras and in front of Kay Michelle and her man. My bowling name is her soulmate. Yeah, bro. That doesn't fit on a bowling thing. at least none that I've ever seen. And that's just doing too much.

Sol S-O-L-M and then the number eight, I guess maybe would be. It's a lot. It's kind of great, Mike. Yeah, I think you, look, you shot your shot. Did your best. Didn't work. Didn't work. You're up against Swa.

She is like the coolest person I've ever seen. So you really didn't have a chance, Mike. But yeah, we're tasting bum rum. And Fager pulls up as the Godfather, which is probably a top three costume ever on Broadway. for me. Fucking fantastic. And Kelly shows up with Jarvis,

aptly dressed as Iron Man, with a shysdy on underneath. So we really can't see his face. So we still don't know who this guy is. If you're going to show up on camera, show your face. I'm glad he's there at least. I'll give him that.

But like, can I, can I open up about something? Yeah. I think it's funny now. I'm into it now. I think I don't know. I don't know why.

but I don't believe Kelly when she goes to her professional she's like that was for me I told him not to show his face I don't I still think the guy's married but I the bit is very funny the bit is incredibly funny to me because it just keeps going like it would sort of be the same thing if drew was still face timing black at this point I would be so far into that I would think it was the best thing ever she's not doing it anymore she's doing way better things by the way but this is the Jarvis thing it's won me over at some point I'll probably get annoyed about it though Yeah, I'm sure you will. I'm still on the, I don't care for it, trained. I'm glad you got some enjoyment out of it.

Now, as the group sits down, we're talking about the Rum Bum launch, and Shemia brings up Scotland. She's like, look, I apologize for my part of Scotland, didn't want to make you guys uncomfortable. Drew goes to a confessional and says, Shemia's apologies don't land. And that's 100% correct. They just seem disingenuous and kind of ho-hum, and they don't really get to the point. But as Drew says, as Cynthia says, as everybody there except for Kelly says, her energy matched yours. Her response meets the situation is exactly what Cynthia said. Drew said that was a whole new low and it keeps going deeper and deeper and deeper.

And then Kelly found her voice again in this situation. She's like, well, everyone was crickets when your best friend said that she's, was sleeping with her husband. Okay. We're not, no, don't deviate right now because that's the point is, and that's what we've been saying, you're not wrong, Kelly, but to get to a point where Shamiya can use that as ammo, she has to clean up her side of the street first because it's just piled up over the past two seasons and it's just all bullshit.

So no one cares that someone else threw a stone at her because you're not wrong. wrong. Like she when she said that, I was like, yeah, that's true. But no one fucking cares because Shamiya's so goddamn messy. Yeah. And we've talked about it at length. The way that Angela goes about things, it just ends up being kind of funny. Like everybody at that table was flabbergasted, but they were laughing. And I know it's mostly because Shamiya's been kind of rubbing people the wrong way. So they're probably just dumb with her and they don't want to deal with it. And they want to watch her squirm her way out of it. Because it's just such a weird, crazy thing to throw at the wall from Angela that it just, it's stuck in a funny way, but not

in a, oh shit, is Shemia cheating on Gerald? Like, nobody said that. Nobody thought that. They just thought like, oh, maybe this was like 15, 20 years ago. Who knows? Whatever. But it's a separate issue. It's a completely separate issue.

Portia and Shemia got into a big fight that has nothing to do with what Angela and Shemia did. So I know what Kelly's doing. She's deviating, just trying to throw up a little bit of a Hail Mary, try to fix things here and there and try to not turn into what happened in Scotland where people start piling on Shemia. So she's just being a good friend. I don't really falter for that.

It is what it is, but this is more of the same. Again, I mean, she says it probably two or three more times. You know, I invited Porsche to come tonight. She basically just sent that text message back that all of you have now read because I've got my phone passing around that it's my background at this point. It's easier to show you guys because I need to show you guys this. Everybody sitting there understands why Porsche would send that text message. This is not some big thing. It's not some big revelation.

It's more of just a big holdup. Why can you not see it? She would win over at least like Cynthia would be like, all right, now I get it. If you just said, I shouldn't have gone that low. My frustration's got the best of me. My bad. I shouldn't have done that.

I'll talk to Porsche at some point when she's ready to talk when she cools down a little bit or she's not. That might be okay too. Maybe our friendship's over. You would have the Cynthia's of the group be like, okay, like yeah, at least you acknowledge it, we can move on. But everybody's still waiting for her to actually just acknowledge what she did and say, yeah, you know what, Porsche went low, but I also went low.

So it just kind of washes out. That's exactly her thought process. She went low too, therefore we are even. This is a wash. It's not. And everyone's telling you that. Everyone in the group except for Kelly is telling you. Kay Michelle is telling you, you're the problem.

Go fix it. And she can't. And I'm pretty sure, 99.9% sure. That's why Ashley was here. I think Shemia brought Ashley to have this whole scene, which by the way, did not play well for Ashley. Shemia or Kelly, because Kelly's involved. Because we start getting into the details of George, who then comes over and does not clear anything up, if anything.

He confirms it. I was like, okay, so she'll be, sorry, Angela wasn't lying. I think George made a dumb comment when he was drunk, and that's where we're at. Now, I don't think that he and Shemia point, but I do think that he said something. And I also know that Andrew. I don't think Angela thinks that they fucked. I think Angela's like, I think he made a dumb comment.

But in the heat of the moment, this is fun to throw out there because I can somewhat substantiate it. So blah, you fuck George. It's something for reality TV where I have to make her say no. I have to make her say no on camera. I didn't have sex with George. It's funny.

That's all it is. That's really all it is. And I love Drew because Drew is giving Kelly energy towards Angela that Kelly was giving to Shimea. Oh, yeah. vindicates my girl, Angela, she's all good when George comes over. I love the way that George goes about it too, because he could have easily just been like, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

No, we didn't have sex. When we get into the specifics, he just then stops the whole conversation and goes, yeah, you know what? I did make a joke. I made a joke. Maybe you took it the wrong way. I love that because then Angela's like, okay. So I did hear what I heard.

I ran with it. End of story. We can all move on. Cynthia stands up. She's ready to go. We're good. Everybody move on from. all of this. We can bury the George issue.

We're still upset about Shimea and the fact that she's not taking accountability, but what do you want us to do? We can at least put one thing to bet. I think that this end of the scene, other than, you know, K. Michelle calling out Ashley for being a gold digger. Yeah. Which is very funny. But I think the other thing that we see is somewhat of a representation of Shamiya's role in this show and why she kind of goes in this circle of mediocrity because the whole thing is like, okay, well, now that we know what's going on, like maybe we can begin to move forward. And Angela's like, well, every time we table something and I try to move on, I get ambushed.

And Shia is like, I would love to get to a respectful place. But as she just said, like, oh, I'd like to accept your apology, but she's going to stab me in the back. I'm not calling around to ask you guys for tea. I don't have to do that. All right. Well, that implies that he is brought to you and you find shit out and you use it anyway. So that didn't sound great. And also, this is the point. This is the point. Angela is trying to say there's always something else. And what do you do? You do something else. So you, Shemia, are the problem. And you continue to prove that in every interaction. Because the other part is when she does the whole woe is. victim thing. Everything that she says seems

wildly disingenuous. I'm like, you don't think any of the things that you're saying right now. So I thought this was like a nice little clip of like, this is the problem. Here it is right here.

A small little moment. This is the problem. The problem is that it also highlights that we're never going to get anywhere. I mean, this whole episode was very, very much in a bottle what the problem is with Shimea and what she's going to take away

from the show. In a bum bottle? still in a rum bomb bottle. There is obviously still a couple of different pieces that Shamiya's done along the way. Usually it's laughing at her, not laughing with her. But it's okay for the show. We're never going to get past something like this. Whenever push comes to shove,

whenever we get that big meltdown, we're never going to get past it because Shemia won't let us get past it. And the big problem is we now watched a couple other people on the show, try to point it out to her. She still doesn't get it. She's never going to get it on her own. Clearly no one else is going to get it to her. if Kelly were to do it, do we think the story goes any other way?

Do we think that if Kelly's sitting down where Kay Michelle was and has that conversation with her, that it goes any differently? No. I think that Chamea still continues to deny and continues to just pass the blame to someone else. That's what she's going to do. It just makes for not good TV when we hit that. We hit a stalemate, especially towards the end of the season. That's the big thing that we're talking about.

And we already know what to expect from Shemia. That's the problem. Perfectly said. Perfectly said. And the episode ends with Drew making up a interaction between her and Terry, who buys her a horse. I thought it was funny, but not for the reason that Drew thought it was funny or,

like, cool or fun. I thought it was just Drew being Drew and like, oh my God, what's going on out here? Okay, Michelle, everyone clocks her. Everyone there's like, this is fake. You're fake. This is overly produced.

But you got to love and overly produced, Drew Sador. moment. It happened a lot and they're always very funny. You have to appreciate it, but it also gave me a very, very funny thought. Imagine if Terry did buy her horse. Imagine you go to a party, you have a couple of drinks, you have some bum rum, and you come out and there's a horse there. She even says, she's like, what am I supposed to do with this thing? If you didn't do that for yourself and you didn't already have plans for that horse

or rent that horse and that horse is going somewhere else and you're never going to see it again, imagine someone buys you a horse. you're a little drunk. You walk out of a Halloween party in a costume and you see a horse that you now have to take care of. You have no plans for that. That's the worst wake up the next day ever. You're a little hungover.

You kind of remember things a little differently and you're like, holy shit, what am I supposed to do with that? Where is the horse? That would be my first thought. My first thought would be like, I definitely rode that horse home, didn't I? Yep, yep, there he is.

There he is right, the living room. Eating up my couch. So that gave me a very funny, funny thought but yeah i love an overly produced uh drew moment drew sadora moment yeah they're very funny and watching kelly no pun intended shit on her own ass was very funny too jarvis getting involved that's that's that's not her ass sure is sure is great i love that part that made me laugh yeah but let's get to some questions uh i saw the second part of this hold on Uh, okay, from Jennifer M to M.

Other than Bravo gigs, how does Porsche make money enough to buy a house in cash? And the second part of that is also, how do people fit long questions in this small box of limited word count? They do what you just did. And then we usually have to go searching, but this one's a little bit easier. Um, you did it. Back back to the first part. Uh, I mean, go naked hair makes a good amount of money. I'm sure she has like other investments.

She's been on this show for a long time. One thing that we know about women on these shows, they do find other ways to make cash. She has a podcast. She has a lot of things going on. I mean, she's just, she is her own brand. So really anything that she signs up for and just invests in, she's going to be fine. Yeah. It's her brand, honestly.

She is making money for being Porsche. Yeah. And that's a very lucrative business, clearly. And I firmly believe, like you said, that she has investments in other businesses. Go naked is her thing. but I guarantee that she's been good with her money. And you're seeing that. So yeah.

Yeah. From Andy Dorman. Do you care if the season airs and clips from the trailer are missing from the episodes? I care isn't the right word. We forget because we cover so many shows and we have to do so many things day to day. I genuinely do forget. Like I'd have to go back and rewatch a trailer and be like, oh, yeah, that wasn't there. Usually you guys pointed out to us, I have yet to see a very like,

groundbreaking. A lot of people point to, I forget if it was in the city or Summerhouse, where Amanda says something to Kyle and they took it out of the show, but it was in the trailer. I was in the city, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, no, they were talking about the week. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't care that much unless it's something like groundbreaking, somebody cheated on somebody else, and then we just never hear about that again. That would probably bother me, but for the most part, the answer is I do not remember the trailers. Sam'sies. Let's see.

Blacksmith Treb, I love Angela, but even I can see that she... Sorry, I can't read apparently. Blacksmith Trev, I love Angela, but even I can see that she took what was obviously a joke and ran with it. Yeah, but she knows that. Yeah. Like, that is Angela. And like, she's using it as... There might be some proof to that joke.

That's the problem. Like, you can't tell me that there might not be even just a sliver of a joke or a joke with like even a little sliver of truth. And they're like, all right, maybe let's just throw this out there and see what happens. I want to see what Shamiya says to it. There might be something more here and that it's a whole storyline for the entire season. Why not? Why not take a shot?

And she also knows that she can brush it off and it's not going to go that poorly for her because she can say he said it. I didn't say it. I'm just relaying what I heard. So she always backs herself up with some kind of out. So yes, I agree. But I think she knew that and she was just, it was one of those where she's like, fuck, I'm going to try this.

Yeah, it's going to get to a point where Angela does that and because she keeps doing this. And again, like, we know she has built in outs or it's a joke or whatever it might be. People are going to start calling her out on it. But I think that she's still going to be able to combat that pretty easily. Agreed. Yep, go ahead.

What the fuck was that horse bit with Drew? What is happening? It's Drew being Drew. Yep. She's also been a little mellow. Yeah, exactly. She's been mellowed. season so we needed a good one yeah and uh we'll just end on this one from rachel michaelus so

many Halloween episodes i love Halloween episodes i love the holiday episodes new jersey with all the christmas episodes always get me going give me a thanksgiving episode always do shows during holidays so that we get moments like this i this is the best well especially when you do a Halloween episode it's similar to theme parties on summer house i love watching real conversations with people dressed in costume. It's one of my favorite sticks. So, yeah. And then they usually show up in a costume that makes sense for what's going on in the storyline.

Like Angela's showing up like a cop. Cynthia's showing up as glue. It just works. It's good stuff. But we'll see where the finale takes us and the reunion. Is it the finale? Next season or next episode, yeah. You're telling me the Valley got more episodes than this.

In Atlanta, I'm so annoyed. And that's stupid. It's pretty fucking pisses me off so much. Well, thank you for bringing up the Valley at the end of this. Yeah, you're welcome. Appreciate it. And I get to go think about that for a while. But, uh, ah, damn it.

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