Bros & Shows - A Juan-tervention (Southern Charm Full Recap, RHOP Premier Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

What's up Bro's? We are post BravoCon so its time to get back to our regularly scheduled programming! Up first we're in Charleston for a boys trip to the mountains. Rod has some issues with Austen and Olivia hanging out and we have a BraGate situation unfolding... JT wants Austen to be held accountable and Taylor invites Olivia to Taylors parents house in hopes that they can heal their relationship. Then we have the RHOP premiere and it looks like Juan and Robyn take center stage immediately. We have lots of questions about the ins and outs of their relationship and so do the rest of the ladies. Gizelle stages an intervention, a Juan-Tervention if you will... All that and more on todays episode! Time Stamps: Southern Charm (10:49) RHOP (44:42) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell.

joined as always by the one and only splutter m'gluter. What's up, dude? Tell you what? Sick and tired of daylight savings time. I know. It's been one day. Call out Ben Franklin. I think it was originally his idea.

Let's call out the farmers. I'll call out anybody. This sucks. Let me do a little history lesson for everybody here. Just a little current events as well. So daylight savings time was originally created. Everyone says the same thing, right? Farmers.

That's what everybody says. It helps the farmers. Nobody actually knows what's going on. Um, bum, bum, bum, pump, um, free farmers, there you go, free plug. And I actually went to see John Oliver live. He did a bit about this that nobody actually knows the reason. Okay. So when it was done, it was done to conserve energy.

That was the whole thought process behind it, give them more daylight, whatever. Today, it is no longer applicable. It doesn't matter. We actually use more energy because of daylight saving time than we do conserving energy. Yeah, because we're sad sitting in our houses, watching TV. The only reason that we still do it is because we used to. That's it. There's

no actual reason that we continue to do daylight savings time other than to make everybody miserable. Yeah. Like there's... Let's add a little bit of extra darkness in the worst months of the year. Now obviously this is kind of geographical because over here it's cold and dark.

It's cold. Let's get sad, dark and cold all together, use up a ton of energy stupid. It's all dumb. It's so dumb. And like yesterday, I walked outside. It was 4.45, and it was almost dark outside. Yeah. It's soul crushing.

Well, it probably didn't matter to Ben Franklin in his opium dens. You know, different topic for it every day. People don't want to talk about that either. Here's your history lesson for the day. Daylight saving sucks, and Ben Franklin did opium. Yep, there you go. That's what you can rely on the bros for. Welcome to the bros.

Well, obviously, BravoCon was this past weekend. We did not get to go this year because we're going to our show on the 19th. And because we have actual jobs as well as this, we can't do both. We can't make two West Coast trips in one month. That's just ridiculous. So next year, I'm confident that we'll be there. I'm not going to guarantee it because I don't want to let people down, but I'm confident that we will be there. I'm sad that we missed it. I liked all of the clips that I saw. I watched most of the two streaming things that you were able to watch. It had like the four hour of like the off stage, not the main stage, but the stage with the escalator.

which was a weird choice. Yeah, I didn't really understand that, and I'm sure Bryn kind of regrets going to that one, but... That whole thing with Bryn losing her shoes, like, yeah, it was an iconic moment and people were going to talk about it for a while. I feel like we glossed over how bad that could have been.

It would have been awful. You hear about it all the time, right? You could have two broken feet. Amongst other things. Like, you hear about it, but you never actually see someone get sucked up into the escalator. You actually saw it, and she played it off super cool,

but that made me nervous. Yeah, honestly, it does make you nervous, but it's so. funny how much access you have to BravoCon if you're not there streaming on Peacock it must have been 24-7 like you could just tune in watch whatever the hell you wanted it's not even people on stage it's just people milling around at some points there's like a 24-hour access camera to BravoCon it's crazy I mean they've done a great job promoting it they've done a great job giving the viewers access pretty much all of the access that we would want I'll tell you

what though I watched all the clips I did not tune into the live shit no because no I need somebody else to do my filtering for me, whether it's you or just Bravo accounts that I trust and follow. I don't need to watch everything. I got shit to do, bud. I got shit to do. All right. I got to be sad in my house in the darkness when

daylight savings time ends. That's what I have to do. You can't use that excuse when our job literally is Bravo. Our second job. What do you want me to do during work? My second job for now. I am actually surprised that I don't get shit for having a Bravo podcast to work because that would probably set me off. I'd be like, I don't even

to be here right now. I'd rather be working at home. I don't need to talk to you about my podcast. But imagine if I had like an iPad in there and I'm watching all the live stuff from BravoCon, obviously it was over the weekend, but Friday and, you know, clips and whatever on Monday, that would just be a hilarious visual. What are you doing? I'm watching BravoCon. It's for my job, dude. Putting into BravoCon. Well, what's going on? Well, they're actually just kind of getting up to the stage now. It's probably not going to start for about a half an hour, but I got to see how they look at each other. They're spinning the wheel of BravoCon. I need to see what it lands on. They might take it off. You don't know.

Who knows, but now we'll, as Steele said, we'll be out in California on the 19th of L.A. 18th, L.A. Bourbon room. Be there, B. Square. You can be both or either or, you know, it doesn't really matter to me, but I want you there. This is your version of a plug? Yeah, sure. That was fine.

If you are coming out to L.A., go to no filter live.com, get yourself some tickets. Come hang out with us. It's a friend's giving. It's going to be a blast. It's getting close. we leave next week. I know. It's pretty crazy.

I know. I'm really excited. It's been a while since we have a live show. I've never been to L.A. I've never been interested in going to L.A. Oh, really? I think I've said this before on our program, but, yeah, never really been interested in going to L.

Our program? Yeah, we have a program. This is a program. I don't like that. Toot into the program. That sounds too official. You'll like L.A. L.A. is cool.

I like going to visit L.A. I don't like staying for extended period of time. I do like visiting. And we're staying with my brother. Shout out to Brooks. He lives in those feeless. His spot's awesome. So I'm really excited to get out there.

I'm really excited for the live show. It's been too long. We live off of live shows. We do. We do. We really need to ramp it up. So obviously this week and next week, shows might be a little erratic. This is just us shaking off the cobwebs, getting a little excited.

This is how we get back into live. If you're watching YouTube, I'm doing a lot of hands today. A lot of hand gestures. I do a lot of hand gestures anyway. It's how I talk. Yeah. But I'm doing even more. I'm doing fist bumps, Frank, tank.

This is the content you can only get by YouTube, you know? Yeah. So if you haven't. subscribe to YouTube yet. We're plugging all over the place. You better get an extension cord for all these plugs. Can we move on? This is what you can expect for the live show.

They might not buy... Great puns. But it is our midweek episodes, so we've got one job to do. We got a power rank, baby, and we got a lot of shows out now. Not a new shows out. So we've got to power rank these newbies, not newbies, but you know what I mean. I know what you mean? Carry on.

Would you like me to start? Yes, please. All right. I'll do it. I'm going to go ahead and slot. I've still got summer, or summer, oh, my God. Summer charm. Let's start with, hold on.

Let's start with the bottom first. Oh, change it up. All right. That's actually a lot tougher. It's fun now because we actually really enjoy all five of these shows. I know. I'm not even going to throw Winterhouse in there because it's not even a real show, so who cares. But I'm going to throw, I'm going to put Potomac at five for now just because it's like, you know,

we got to get back into the new season. not really sure what to expect. There wasn't a ton of buzz. Obviously, a lot of the stuff's going to be about Robin and Juan, which, you know, I feel indifferent about. I'm not, I'm ready. I'm excited to get into it because I like the rest of the Potomac audience, like the rest of the cast on Potomac. Tomic is also like one of your top shows. It is my top show. But at the same time, I was also pissed that last year we watched our friend Chris get dragged on TV relentlessly. Meanwhile, we had Robin with this in her back pocket, an actual scandal, and she was waiting for Karen to bring it up? Yeah, but just the way that it started off already, and obviously we're going to go a little

deeper later in the episode, the way it started off, the way that Robin's deflecting, I can already tell I'm going to get kind of annoyed. I know you're going to go. If it goes on for too long, I'm going to get pissed off. So that's why I've got it at the bottom. And it's really no knock on Potomac. I really enjoy Potomac. It's just really tough because all five of these shows are really good. Yeah, this is almost like a happy power rankings. It is. I know. We've gone through a lot a sad one's good like the first episode Potomac was solid. Yep. Um, so I've got Potomac at five. I'm going to

slot in I guess. I'll slot in Salt Lake at four. Beverly Hills at three. Why do I feel like I'm missing something? Oh, Miami. Yeah, Miami at two and Southern, uh, yeah, Southern Charment 1. Wow, Miami too. I like Miami. Oh, you're a big Miami guy.

As long as Marisol goes the fuck away, I'm fine. Yeah, I know you're a big Miami. I'm going to go, damn this is hard i'm going miami five and not because i didn't enjoy it i these power rankings will probably change drastically week to week but for now i'll be number one next week it's just i don't know what's going to happen miami's five for me four i'm going to go with beverly hills three is salt lake two is potomac one is southern charm for me too okay and i have two with potomac just because this is a season, like, I look forward to all the seasons coming back, just because I'm like, oh, I'm ready to see this again.

I'm excited for this season because these are things that I want answers to. I want to know what was going on with Juan. The question is, do you think we're going to get those answers? Yeah, I do. That's why I have it a five, because I don't think we're going to get those answers. I think we're going to get them, but I think that Robin will still not believe them. Okay. I think it's going to be so blaringly obvious of what happened.

I think we're all at home going to be like. It's all for a pretty obvious. It's like 100% obvious, but I think even more so, we're going to be like banging our head against the wall. Like, Robin, how do you not see this? Right. Even more so than now, and that's saying a lot because as of right now, it's already fucking obvious of what's going on. I think what's going on here is you've got, it's like the two teams that played in the Super Bowl the year before, started off 1 and 0, but didn't look that great. They're still going to be number one and number two in the power rank.

Correct. So you're expecting a lot, but, you know, the season is the season. We'll see how it goes. We will see how it goes. I will be as unbiased as humanly possible as we strive to continue to do here at the Brov Bros. We do it anyway. Yeah, I know. We are.

Apparently unbiased. Yeah, just how we're made. But without further ado, let's jump into our number one show right now, which is Southern Charm. And we start out with J.T., like cleaning up the party from the night before. And this isn't that important of a scene, but I want to start with it because it frames J.T. and what he's trying to do this season so well, in my opinion. And you get Rob there, too, but he talks about, like, yeah, Craig was trying to, like, big dick energy me with his shoes and my pillows and stuff, which they showed the scene.

I didn't get that vibe. Well, he did stand on the cushions during the party. They didn't show that part of the scene. They showed the part of the scene aftermath with Craig asking for his shoes back. But he was still sitting like an asshole on those cushions. I agree, but I don't know. I didn't feel like Craig was trying to. to flex on Jay. No, no, not at all.

That's J.T. trying to be like, I just think he tries to sound tougher because he's got a complex. He does, but I will give J.T. one thing. Really? He does say things to their faces. He does. He doesn't, like, I would fully expect somebody like J.T. To talk like this to Rod the day after and not say a word to Craig the night before.

But he did say something to Craig and give him a lot of shit for it, maybe too much shit. But he still gave shit. So it's not like he's talking about. behind his back and acting tough behind his back he's doing it to his face too and he does it later in the episode too kind of annoyingly but kind of annoyingly yeah I didn't want to I just don't even want to talk about that right now um I'm really I have to talk about later I don't want to jump the gun on that one but I kind of expected him to be talking behind somebody's back and he didn't and I think that what this scene really is is showing I guess JT and Rod's friendship and they're trying to kind

to show that they're a little closer than the rest of the group and they can kind of talk shit on things that we've talked about for years where, you know, Austin doesn't take accountability and Craig can be kind of a child and things like that. They're doing this as like an aside. And I think what Bravo is trying to do and maybe what the producers have tried to do is showing us, okay, Rod and JT are finding some commonalities in how they think about the group and maybe they'll be able to bond a little bit more. So that way later, when that bomb drops, we understand, And okay, Rod and JT are friends. It makes sense that they talk about this.

I still have feelings about that later. But that's what I think they were trying to do. That's fair. And I see those two, and I don't know if it's a forced relationship because they're the new guys coming into the show. And it's like, hey, we need to lean on somebody. Why don't we just team up? Which I'm thinking that's kind of what it is. But I'm never against a faction.

If people want to faction off against other people, and this comes out later, sure, whatever. But the next scene we get, Austin and Olivia are having lunch or just getting coffee together just to kind of check in. And it's the day after JT's party once again. And Olivia asks a very poignant question that I was curious about as well. Did you get the nude or did you get any nudes? And Austin's response, not great. He paused and hesitated like he does in the past and goes, no.

Do you think he got that nude? I don't think so. You don't think you got any nudes? No. You think she's firing off nudes to Whitney? Yeah. Didn't send one to Austin. Yeah, I do actually think so because I'm going to try to put myself in the mind of Taylor's currently twisted minds in this sense.

I think she, even though obviously Austin and her have already talked about being in a relationship, I feel like when she's sending a nude, she still feels like that's too close to Shep, whereas Whitney might be a tenth of a degree separated and could piss Shep off a little bit more. you send it to Austin then all of a sudden it's a huge fucking thing and you put Austin in a really bad position unless she was just drunk and just sending nudes out

which is also possible I think Austin's hesitation was do I really want to talk about me and Taylor right now I thought we were sitting here and we were just kind of like make sure that you're okay

and then it look I mean Olivia has every right to be erratic in whatever the fuck she wants to do because of what she's gone through so there's no real rhyme or reason to her discourse and how she wants to talk

about anything. I think he was surprised that she brought it up. I figured that she would probably want to shelf that and maybe just kind of have a nice conversation so that we can kind of get through this instead of, let's get right back into it. See, I think it actually speaks volumes to how present she is, like the fact that she is dealing with all of that and still like, oh, this is still kind of pissing me off, by the way, and like, let me throw a little dagger out there. Because I think that she's handled herself incredibly well amidst everything that's been going on. And it's actually slightly astounding how put together she is. Yeah.

But I did not like this scene. I didn't like, I do appreciate that she's able to find some comfort in Austin and that these two share a very unique bond in losing a sibling. He can give her some insight. And we've talked about that on how to move forward, how to process these things. But it's going too far for me, where I feel like now we've reached a level of trauma bonding, where these two are coming back together because of something so tragic, which I'm afraid that emotions are going to get foggy with this.

I know that both of them have emotions like through the roof right now. And Austin, because of what he went through with his sister, is also having that flood of emotions. I'm not going to flat out say that he's using this to his advantage because I don't believe that's what he's doing. I think he's trying to be there for. However, when she's as vulnerable as she is and then you say something like, I do love you,

Like, to me, that's too much. To me, you're pushing the boundary now of being a helpful and caring friend. And now you're muddying the waters and making her question like, okay, well, if you love me and you do care about me this much, you need me in your life. The implication there for me when it's coming from somebody like Austin is not, I'm here for you as your friend. It's there's still something here and maybe we can see where this goes. And I don't like that when she is so impressionable right now because she's being on people. and she needs support, she needs comfort, and this guy can give her all of those things,

and they have already had a relationship. Word choice to me in these moments is extremely important, and I think that him saying, I love you in that moment, is fucked up. Can be. I'm not even going to fully analyze, like nitpick different words or anything like that, just because I feel like the situation is,

like you said, I think it's a dangerous game. Yes. however he is still being there for and I don't think the intention is well we can grow closer and then maybe there is something down the line like I don't know I really don't think I think it's probably popped into his head but I think he's trying to actively avoid even thinking like that and he's still in this situation because he still wants to be there for I think he's conflicted super conflicted I think she's all over the map again rightfully so where do you expect to be in that situation no idea I just

think it's a really dangerous game for both of them to be able to do this because what do what do you want Austin to do if she reaches out to you and says hey no I agree you want to sit down and like have some coffee if your emotions get the best of you in that situation because of what she's been going through and how similar it is to what you've gone through your emotions are going to get the best of you I'm not even going to fault you for that that's okay like that I'm not throwing fault at eye that's yeah that's that's why I feel like I don't want to go into the specifics of what was said and say anybody was wrong or any word choice was wrong because

I don't know. Like that's got to be a crazy situation to even be in. I agree with that. So I'm not going to put any emphasis on the words that were said there. I think we could acknowledge that it was a dangerous game and then say let's keep an eye out for it. Yeah, I see I do see where you're coming from. I still take an issue with some of those things, but I can

again, I'm not vilifying him for it. I'm not, I don't think that. No, you understand that he's not intentionally trying to do it. Correct. I think that subconsciously, it's just happening. You've got to be careful. Yeah, and I don't, there. He's not a very careful guy. That's exactly it.

You've got to be careful, and he's not careful. And he's not. Yep. And that's what makes me nervous. But moving on from there, we get Whitney and Shep out to lunch together. And Shep brings up the nude immediately to him. And Whitney's response sucks. He's like, well, you know, it was supposed to be a joke.

It's like, that's not a joke to show someone else's nude. I think it's a fucked up situation. I posted about it today, a little clip of it. It's just annoying. And then a lot of people commented about it. the fact that he's a producer on the show and I don't think they're going to lean further into this whole thing because if

he does have a say in what's being aired then yeah they're not going to talk about it but his defense is you know I deleted it and like I shouldn't have made a joke about it with my mom and Madison when he said that he didn't say anything about showing anybody that's what I mean did he show anybody

yes he showed Craig he showed other people too I don't remember Craig saying that he explicitly saw it Madison said no last week last week he said in their page and he says yes Shep showed me the picture. Shep showed other, or sorry. Whitney definitely showed it. He's deflecting by saying, oh, it was just Madison and my mom.

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Spotify and YouTube. I think the funniest part, not funniest, but the best part about this, it seems like every episode something new comes out and somebody else gets off the hook. Yeah, right? Taylor was destroyed last week,

maybe a little too hard, and that's okay. This week, there's a new thing that popped up. And now nobody's going to talk about Taylor's nude. It's great. It's so nice because it's almost like every week we've got a different storyline

that keeps popping up. And obviously it's just different branches from the same reality. that keep popping out, but there's still multiverse, yeah, but there's things that, that's exactly what I was doing, yeah, but there's still things that, like, we need to discuss, and before we're done, maybe before we get to the point where we're overdoing it on one topic, something else pops up, and then you have to go talk about that. It's great.

It keeps things fresh, and I really enjoy it, and I think that is why I still, and you and I both have the Southern Charming at the top of our rankings. It makes for a good watch, and obviously there's a lot of fucked up shit going on. Yeah. I don't want to say that. I'm enjoying the watch because I'm watching people dramatically go through things. However, as a viewer, I can say it is enjoyable. If they can figure out a way to tie this all together at the end of the season successfully,

and this is already one of the most successful seasons. Whitney gets exactly a producer of the year. Oh, fuck that. He might. But if they can tie it together at the end with a big bow on top and do it the right way, this could be one of the best seasons of Southern Charm yet, and I stand by that. But the one thing I want to take away from this is at least Shep feels guilty and at least he feels responsible for some of the shenanigans going on.

And people commented earlier, why are you guys so easy on Taylor? We're not. And I think that gets lost in translation. We're focusing on what the show is putting in our face. Taylor's not at the forefront right now. She's getting shit for the nude. I don't think she should. Taylor does need to answer for what she did to Olivia.

But like you just said, we keep getting new shit. every week so we're focusing on what's present and if the nude is present I don't think she's a fault for Whitney showing the nude should she have sent the nude no should she get shit for him showing the nude no and I do appreciate that in this instance at least Shep who is never responsible for anything is able to say this is partly on me because of what I put her through so I appreciate Shep for that and his self-awareness this season has been better than previous years. And maybe that's simply because he's single. I think it probably is. And I think that the people who are telling us that we're not

hard enough on Taylor for these things, I think we went pretty hard about what she did to Olivia. The rest of these things don't fucking matter. No, they don't bug me that. It really don't matter at all. And really, if you're going to comment something like that on our videos, you should be condemned to go to a four-year relationship with Shep and see how your mental psyche is at the end of that. Because that's the thing. I feel like people are overlooking all of that. She was through a long relationship where he cheated on her the whole time, made her feel like shit, still told her that he wanted to be with her and then told her, you know what? I really want to be close to you, but I'd rather be single right now and that's better for me. It's got to ruin somebody like that. You have no idea what she's thinking. We can excuse little things like that. Yeah, sending a nude to Whitney's fucking dumb, but does she need to get ripped apart in a podcast? Probably not. No, probably not. We wouldn't get anything out of that. We just move on and we focus on the actual things that matter. and you guys need to just bear with us. Yeah, bear with us.

Although it's, again, it's probably not even the listeners that are doing that. It's just people who see our videos, yeah. Which is fine. But we get to the dudes on the bus, and the dudes are headed up to Linville, I believe. Shep has a beautiful family home up there. So the boys are going to take a little trip, which I love a good boys trip, especially on a show like this where you have clear separation of, like, the girls doing their thing and the boys doing their thing.

So I like that we're getting the guys to go off to a mountain trip. And you want to go on a boys trip, five hours at a van like that? No, hell no. No, I thought that was an interesting choice. They could have gotten a bigger bus or just driven up there separately, but whatever. It's interesting to me. And this is where I start to get back to what I was saying with Olivia and Austin. Austin has an issue sitting that close with Rod on the bus and being on this trip with Rob this weekend.

And again, this goes back to what you were saying. They didn't date for that long. He should not have an issue with Rod and Olivia. The only reason that he does in my mind is that he just has this inkling or this faraway thought where he's like, maybe there's a world in which we do get back together. No. Maybe there's a... Why?

Because they're not friends. If you were going out with a girl and you broke up with her and then you had to be forced to be near the guy that she's now dating all, like, for hours on end, a five-hour car ride, you'd be uncomfortable too. He's made out with her best friends, so you shouldn't, you clearly don't care that much. There's separate issues. That's not a separate issue. No, that part of it's not. The rod of it all is a completely separate issue. You don't have to be comfortable with the guy who's dating your ex.

Not to the point where you can't sit on a bus with him. Well, why do you think that he can't sit on a bus with him? Because of the cameras where he's looking around and he looks uncomfortable? No, I don't think it has anything to do with the cameras. I think that if the cameras were not there, he would still have that same feeling. I think that he always wants, I don't think that he wants a relationship. I think he always wants the option to be there. Probably.

That's what I'm saying. Okay. But I don't think that has anything to do with Rod. I think he's just uncomfortable being around a guy that his ex is dating. I think that she's not dating. We'll get to that. They are, well, yeah. Because I have an issue with what happens later.

But I mean, but they're not, maybe they're not dating, but he still, Rod took Austin out and said, hey, do you mind if I pursue her already uncomfortable? And now you've got to be around the guy. You're forced to be around the guy because you're on the same show. I don't think they're friends. I do not think that they're friends at all. I don't think they were really friends. They were acquaintances before. now you're forced to be around the guy that your ex is dating,

the girl that you still have feelings for that you've admitted about a million fucking times on live TV. He's feelings for everybody. Of course. So now he's going to, what do you want him to do, though? He's not allowed to be uncomfortable around Rod? You're allowed to be uncomfortable, but not to the point where, like, I can't be on a bus with this dude for five hours.

It's like, you're on the same show together. I can't be on a bus with any guy for five hours. That sounds awful. I don't want to be on bus with anybody for five hours. That's not the point. You know what I'm trying to say. I will say that because you're a fan of, of these and I don't I will never understand it but Craig asks Austin are you going to make us a

pumpkin beer this year and I really don't a fan of pumpkin beers we talked about this last year at the same time of year you say I like I might want to I might want to have myself like a little pumpkin beer I can't I can't drink pumpkin beers this what they make me sick and you're a liar no I'm not I never said pumpkin beers this is what led to the clip of me saying I said maybe I want to bounce between an IPA and then go over to a like I'll do it in repost you do it don't threaten me i will i will happily do it just to shut you up but taylor calls shepp on the bus and this is where i will throw some shade at taylor because i don't understand who her confidant is you can't do the same shit with both austin and sheep and she

is she's playing both of those guys where she's leaning on both them for like emotional support they're both weird like you need to have a neutral third party in which you're calling to just have a little chit-chat with about you going to your moms and dads in Asheville. You don't need to... I don't think she has friends. I don't either, but I think that this is a really shitty look when you're calling the guy that you made out with behind Olivia's back on one hand. And the other hand, you're calling Shep who you're blaming for all of your behavior.

Yeah, but this whole crew is so incestual. It's so weird. It's a good point. None of it really makes any sense. And it seems so normal to them. Shep had her on speakerphone while he was talking to her. I think that's... J.T. yelled to her.

Happy Valentine's Day, and everybody knows what's going on there. Every eye in that van rolled. Craig had a comment, laughed about it. Everybody knows what JT's trying to do in that situation. Shep with her on speakerphone, they're just so comfortable with it. It's so strange, but I've gotten over it over, like, watching the last couple of years. I've said that before about the speaker thing. I'm pretty sure that's a production thing, because if you watch everybody on the phone, 90% of the time, they are on speaker to be in.

It has to be, yeah. Sometimes they take it off speaker when it gets serious. But even when Leva answered, when she was out to dinner with Vanita and found out about Olivia's brother passing away, the initial start of the conversation, they're on speaker. When shit got real, she took it off speaker. Right. No, that's a good point. I also think that there could be maybe a level of accountability in there where Shep is, no, actually, it's Shep. Shepp doesn't have accountability.

I was originally thinking he put her on speaker phones so that everybody knows, hey, I'm not having like a weird private conversation with Taylor. I'm having an open conversation with a friend. Yeah. No, yeah, I think you're right. I think it is production. But I do have to ask you, your take on panda bears. Our pan... Let's get to the bottom of it.

I love that Craig is using... It's a real. It's just that one that might not have been real that looked like it could have been a guy in a suit. A picture at the zoo where his knees are like going into... Yeah, that one, that one... That was a guy to see. That was definitely a guy in a suit, but we're not going to get any answers out of China today. Pandas are fucking real, though.

They're definitely real. That goes without saying that's... I'm all for a good... conspiracy theory. I don't believe any of them, but I love diving down those rabbit holes because they get so ridiculous and they're fun to just see where you end up. But pandas are real. I am looking forward to more tinfoil hat time with Craig. I think that that should be a segment of this show. And we literally, did you see the scenes from this season? Yeah. We literally get a tinfoil hat moment. So you guys, every time we talk about our tinfoil hats, you guys are going to

get to see it live thanks to Southern Char. We'll make our own tinfoil hats and as a prop. Yeah, we'll do that for that episode. No, we can just, like, leave them nearby. Oh, should we put it in the case? I'm tinfoil hat. It's too hard to get to. We talk about it all the time. But when the boys get to the house, the house is sick, first and foremost.

It's really funny to me that everyone else gets sent upstairs and J.T. gets sent downstairs to the bunk bedroom. And I feel like it's fitting. Like, I feel like he's that friend in the group where it's like, ah, J.T., you're down there. Like, just go play with the tractor or the John Deere thing in the basement. And, like, we'll call you. And he tried to ride it. So, like, it is fitting. It fits.

but the guys split up so we get a little juxtapose scene we get Rod and J.T. talking about Austin and then we get Austin and Craig talking about Olivia and this is where Braggate comes up and the only reason I call it that is because the episode is named Braggate I didn't just make that up but Rod says he thinks something happened

and this whole situation is weird like his girlfriend, his friend who's a girl who he was out with and this goes back to the ancestral thing in Charleston Yeah. He's out with this girl. She says that she went over to Austin's and saw Olivia. Like, think about how convoluted this sentence is right now.

Rod was with another girl. They were out. That girl then went to Austin's house where Olivia had been previously, and Olivia left her bra there. Now, Rod is mad because he was out with somebody else that went over to Austin's that saw that Austin was with the girl that he likes. Let's not get it twisted, too, on the van. for whatever reason, I don't know why anyone ever asked this question. What's everybody's relationship status? Yeah, no, don't.

Rod is actively dating. Do you think he was maybe out on a date? Yes. With that girl? Yes. He said it was just a friend, which it could have been. Again, Southern Charm, convoluted as hell. My biggest hold up on this whole thing that I couldn't move past and I had to rewatch the scenes,

why are they talking about it the exact same time? I don't like that. Don't force me to know. I know what you're doing, producers. Don't do that shit. There's no fucking chance that two different factions at the exact same time, and we know it's the exact same time, because they keep bouncing between the kitchen and going up,

and they're doing the stupid hearts with the burgers that don't work out. They are having this exact same conversation at this exact same time. Rod knows what happened through a girl. He tells J.T. Austin knows what happens, because obviously Awesome is there. And he's telling Craig. Two new people that didn't know the story are now finding out about the story from two separate people at the exact same.

same time don't do that to me make it happen organically because it's going to happen it's all guys up there they're going to talk or let somebody get blindsided like i do we haven't seen a good blindside no a good blindside would have been great and they didn't allow us to have that i just i couldn't get past that he didn't allow us to have that later t is a fucking idiot but well my thing and i want you to like please for me and my sanity can you explain to me why why what why the fuck Is J.T. so invested? Why does he care so much about Rod and Olivia and Austin? What the fuck is the holdup?

Because he has a vendetta against Austin. Because he's in love with Taylor. That's where all of this comes from? Yes. That's a thousand percent where it all comes from. A thousand percent, yeah. But it drives me crazy because he's the one spearheading this thing. Like Rod's the one. He's been doing it since day one.

I know he has. I've seen that. And that does make sense. So thank you for explaining to me that I asked you to. But Rod is having a genuine, like, hey, man, I want to talk to you about this. Like, this is bugging me blah. And JT's like, we need to confront him. We need to.

Is he going to get away with this forever? It's like, Rod's calm. Why are you in here ramping shit up? You pissed off little man? Like, what's your problem? His problem is that he's in love with Taylor. And he had a vendetta against Austin immediately at that bar, started talking about how she slept over at his house, wanted to bring him down that way.

He got out of it. Shep found out and forgave him immediately, pissed J.T. off even more. Taylor and Austin's still talking, still very friendly. She's still in his corner. Anytime that she needs something, he's there for, J.T. is not that person. He was FaceTiming with her. And you could even tell, like, when she's talking to him, she doesn't seem that enthused about even talking to J.T. She would call him to talk about a date with another guy.

Absolutely. And he would support and then cry afterward. And that's what he's going to do. And that's what I feel like his whole thing is. That's what his M.O. is this entire season. And that's why I'm getting so annoyed with it. But yeah, you're right. He did not allow this moment after the obvious staged moment.

He didn't allow the new moment to happen organically. No. He jumped the gun immediately with the fucking sous chef versus the real chef type of weird. His innuendos in that moment were so annoying. Before we get there, we get Austin talking to Craig about Olivia. And he explains the situation, like what happened. It's interesting to me that later we get some more details that he, didn't say to Craig, and this leads me to believe that Austin's lying about something.

Do I think that they had sex? No. Do I think there's a possibility that more happened? Yeah, I really do. But I don't, this is so weird. This is going to, like, make me do mental gymnastics for this entire season. I don't think it was nefarious whatever happened. Yeah.

But I do think something happened. Okay. I think that's fair, though. I think that, again, it's, I, even, I think subconsciously, Austin has those. same feelings I said earlier, but in these moments, I think it's two people trying to comfort each other and shit happened. You know what I mean? I don't think it's okay, but at the same time, like, to your point, who are we to say during grief in this kind of shit? It's so hard to navigate these waters, but I do think there's more to the story. Okay. I don't think

there's any more to the story. I did really like that Craig actually stood up for Austin, which Which was interesting. Well, let's get to that moment at dinner. Are you talking about dinner? Yeah, I'm talking about dinner. Let me get, let me, I'll lead us off and then, yeah. Okay. That's a good point.

We get to dinner. Everyone's sitting down and there's a heartbreak joke that was forced because I talk about the burgers are shaped like hearts and J.T. was like, oh, well, you guys have lots of experience breaking hearts to Austin and to Shep, which, yeah, ha, ha. But I think, and I've wanted people to call them out in the past, but I think that because it's J.T. doing it. I'm like, this, it's not landing for me. Yeah. Because you, I don't know why you're involved. You're not the one to deliver this shit. And it's starting to annoy me. And it leads to the saracha comment. And that's what kind of like pushes everything. That's

when we start getting the, oh, I'm a great chef. I love stirring the pot. And the saracha thing, they're saying the town that saracha is made in. This is actually true. The air is almost unbreathable because the spice gets in the air. It leads to like watery eyes and burning nose and all that stuff. And someone said it creates a toxic environment. And he's like, kind of like Charleston in a different way. Ha ha. Anyway, this leads to what you were saying. So carry on about your J.T. Yeah, I mean, J.T. jumping the gun is just completely unnecessary. Rod didn't even want to do the situation. My one, a whole, a minor holdup that I have, obviously Austin just talked to Craig about this. Right. So now Austin and Craig both know what's going on. J.T. and Rod,

to obviously know what's going on. When Rod starts the story, Austin must know immediately. I know where you're going with this. Yeah, but he never acknowledges unless he has to. Exactly. But his immediate response is a deflection. Oh, do you have a problem with the fact that she came over to my house?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know what he's getting into. Why don't you just let him talk? I didn't like that. Now, I also do think that nothing happens. Just because I'm putting in, like, in Olivia's court,

I don't think that Livy is going to step over that right now. I don't either unless you're grief-stricken and trauma bond. Could be. Honestly, could be. And that's okay. That's fully okay. It's weird waters. It's such strange waters.

But Craig jumps in immediately and stands up for Austin. And we haven't really seen that much in the last couple of years. And obviously, we've applauded Craig because Craig has become more mature. Him standing up for Austin says a lot for me. I feel like Craig really does believe Austin. He does. that nothing happened. That actually does carry weight for me. Yeah, and there were more details

in Austin's story than he usually gives for anything. So he gave, especially the Taylor situation, we didn't get shit out of the Taylor situation until he absolutely had to. See, that's an interesting take because the way that I took that was, oh, more details came out when he's telling Rod,

then he told to Craig, but you're saying, oh, I think when Austin uses more details, he's telling the truth. When he uses less details and he's being vague, he's not telling the truth. I think that's valid. Yeah. And I don't know. It's just something that I can pick up from Austin for some reason. But Craig jumping in and defending him was huge. I thought that was crazy. And I think what it is, and I agree, he doesn't like J.T. He does not like J.T. He immediately shuts J.T. down. But he does it in a nice, mature way. And J.T. is just like chomping at the bit. Just talking about letting Austin go. And he never has to take accountability for anything. And how many more things are you going to let him get away with? Shut up, J.T.

He's going to let him walk on water. No one's calling him Jesus Christ, man. Everybody rips them apart. all the time because he makes dumb decisions. He admits that he makes dumb decisions. He has been in hot water the entire goddamn season. A lot of it was you're doing. Just be satisfied with that. You're not satisfied because you're in love with Taylor. And Austin hooked up with Taylor and there's obviously something we're going on there. And people let him go for it. You wanted him to be dead in the ground so that you could show up with flowers at Taylor's door and say, I'm sorry that your friend Austin died. I'm the one who killed them. Here you go. Here's the flowers. Now please marry me. And you and me can move into my mother's house together. That's

what he wants, and he's not getting that, so it's pissing him off, and he's getting more and more fired up. Rod did not know that. I'm going to give that credit to Rod. Rod had no idea what the fuck's going on with J.T. and his vendetta. He presented him with evidence that J.T. can now use against

Austin once again, and we're going to continue to see this. I'm just tired to J.T. I know. We know what he's doing, and it's annoying. We know exactly what he's doing. Here's my dilemma. Okay. Rod is not dating Olivia. They've been out a couple of times, and they made out, okay?

He does not have the right to dictate what her and Austin are doing. No, he doesn't. And the fact that he can be upset about it, though. He can totally be upset, but to bring it to Austin's attention, in my opinion, is inappropriate. I think it's just you're going to be in the house with another guy for the next couple of days. But he feels slighted by now. He does. He's like, I came to you as a man and this and that.

It's like, yeah, you did. Great. Good for you. That's why I say they're not friends. They're not friends. They don't owe each other anything. I said they weren't friends like friends. Oh, yeah, I know.

No, I'm not saying you didn't. Yeah. What she does with Austin's none of your business, man, because you guys, like you just said, you are not dating. You are not dating. You're not boyfriend and girlfriend. You are not exclusive. So if she is over there hooking up with Austin, it may not be the best thing for her, and you're

putting her needs first. And I do believe that Rod wants what's best for Olivia. And I agree. Her hooking up with Austin is not best for her, and she might be blinded by grief or the trauma bond. I agree with that. However, unfortunately, because you guys are not at that point yet, it's not really your place to take Austin outside and have this man to man

where you're like pretty much telling him to back off. I didn't think that it, I, inappropriate is not the right word because I get where he's coming from. Right. But at the same time, I don't think it's his place to do that at this point in time with what his relationship is with Olivia. I agree with that. I don't think that it would have gotten to that point.

Maybe eventually they would have had a conference. conversation during the weekend. I think the two factors that come into play. One, you're going to spend a couple of days together and maybe it's best to just have this conversation now because otherwise you're just going to hate each other. And that kind of goes back to what you said about Austin being in the van. I think Rod felt the same way. Rod doesn't want to be in the van with Austin either. They both do not like each other for the exact same reason. So that's the problem. And I don't think that the conversation would have had that kind of tone if J.T. didn't jumpstart it. No, I agree. If this happened organically and maybe they just got drunk later in the night and

Rod said, hey, man, can I talk to you about something? It just made me feel uncomfortable. He has every right to feel uncomfortable about that. It is a weird situation. You don't really know what to do. They're trying to also navigate the trauma waters. And that's really tough. As we know, we just tried to do it.

It's not an easy situation to be in. And again, you're forced to be together. So I don't really have an issue with the two of them talking, but I feel like they finally did at least get to the point where they're communicating the fact that they don't owe each other anything and they both feel uncomfortable being around each other for that reason. reason. And they voice that. And if they're okay with that, because I do think that Rod is mature enough to understand that and he can move past it and be okay, I think if we're

going to see a therapeutic Austin who understands what he said when he says, dude, I don't want to be with her because I know I'm going to end up hurting her again. That was a good moment for him. I think if he actually fucking believes that, then I believe him. That was a good moment for him. That was a really good moment for him. But he can still admit the fact that, yeah, I'm uncomfortable about this. You're uncomfortable about this. If the two of them can understand. that, then maybe there's at least some sort of level ground that they can move forward with, if Rod forgives him, JT's going to lose his goddamn mind. I want that so bad for, like, Austin and Rod to somehow generate a real friendship.

Oh, man, they're flyfish in the next day, just having a great time. And a blast, and JT's by himself, and he's never flyfish before. So he keeps getting snagged on shit. He's getting mad. And then he calls his mom, and he's like, you know, my friends aren't talking to me anymore. And he's hanging out with Austin and Taylor, Taylor loves Austin. of Taylor, and I just, I would love to see that. That would be incredible.

But I, look, all in all, it, I don't think we've experienced a season of Bravo in which there's like all this drama going on, but it's so hard, there's not clear sides. Right. There's a lot of murky waters in which we're trying to, like you said, we're trying to navigate the trauma

waters, which might be belittling the situation, but I like the turn, a phrase. So I'm excited for this. season. And I feel weird saying that because of what's going on. I know that's what I said. I don't want to say I'm enjoying it, but I'm enjoying it. But everybody is because it's getting really high ratings. So like, it's a solid season. You know what it is, honestly? This feels the most, I know those, those moments were overproduced. This feels the most real. Yeah, the situations, the things that happen are real. The events that happen are real. They're producing a little too heavily for me, but I can get past that. I'm not going to hold up on it. And I think that that's

this season's delivering really well. It's like, this is some real shit. And you can feel the tension between people. You can feel the awkward moments. You can feel the heartbreak. You can feel all the things happening. I think that makes for really, really good TV. And give me more Rodrigo.

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Let me tell you, I am thrilled to see the Ladies of Potomac back on my TV screen. And I thought this was a good first episode. It's a lot to look forward to this season. I'm glad they're diving into it immediately. And I think it's easier to lay up, you know, to go out to the Juan Dixon thing because we got so much shit about it in the off season. There was legal cases. There was cheating scandals, pictures, rumors, like...

Paywalls. Paywalls on podcasts, Patrions, name it. We got it. So I'm excited to get into this season. What did you think of episode one? Kind of boring. Really? Yeah.

Maybe it's just because I love... I didn't want to take the wind out of your sales now. I just thought... I'm going to take the wind out of my sale if you try. pal you don't know what i can do you don't know what i i keep going there no i mean i obviously we already talked about what the focal point at least for the beginning of the season's going to be we fully expected it i think it's just kind of gearing up for it which is fine you know i have no issues with that i just didn't think a whole lot happens because it's really just what you said a lot of

this happened in the off season we're just going through it now and getting to get the reactions from the other women on the show, kind of altogether in a format that we're used to in Housewives. I think here's why I had a different take than you. Watching Robin sidestep everything on Watch What Happens Live, watch her or listen to her on the podcast, sidestep it had not fully addressed this stuff. Blame it on the fact that Karen didn't bring it up during the season. To see her put to the fire immediately, like, no, we're going to get into this on TV whether you like it or not.

And she sidestepped. She did, but they're clearly going to keep pressing this issue. and I'm just glad that this took center stage on a matter that she was trying to sweep under the rug and episode one within the first two minutes, we get a full intro of no, we're going to talk about all of it. Yeah. And I think she actually did herself a disservice by not just bringing it up last year because now it's almost like, not even almost. I guarantee Andy took this personally because he was pissed off because he wasn't happy when he found out that this was all going on. And it wasn't brought up last year.

So I guarantee he made it a point. to be like, this is going to take center stage right out of the gate because you try to be shady about it. Yeah, but will you be okay with the fact that she's going to sidestep and probably not answer anything? Are you going to be okay with just watching her be uncomfortable for a week on it, like every week? Like I said in the intro, I think that we're going to get answers on this one.

Whether it comes from her or not, I do believe that. Okay. So that could be wishful thinking. I could be, you know, I'm the serial optimist of the group. I'm like you, Mr. Negative Nancy. Well, it's just that she sidestepped at the entire offseason, and then the first episode, she's sidestepped it even more and made excuses. She did, but I don't think that's too. Yeah, but that's all, like, the behavior that she's exhibited for the last six months, why would I not believe that that's going to continue?

Well, because if this stuff keeps beating you over the head, eventually something's got to give, in my opinion. And maybe it won't. Maybe it won't. And again, optimist over here. But it has me looking forward to this season. So let's jump right down. We start out. with that whole intro scene of everything that's happened, right? We've got that girl in Canada that he allegedly bought her a hotel room. I didn't go to the hotel room. We get the picture of him with his assistant coach or whatever. Bree in the nail salon, the picture or the video of them in the laundromat,

just a lot of evidence against him. And we get the clip from reasonably shady, where they're talking about it on the podcast behind the paywall. I guess Bravo paid the fees so they could get that clip. Thanks, Bravo, for doing the work for us. but you get all of this damning evidence just to lead us off. So we all know we're on the same page going into the season. And it starts out with Robin at home in one of the most frustrating, rant-inducing scenes I think I've ever seen in my life.

Because Juan comes home and she's talking about how life's just tough right now and there's so much going on in the background. This man has the nerve to say, it's all good, it's part of life. no this is because of you man you did all of this shit you're the reason that shit's kind of weird right now it's not life this isn't like a life moment we're like ah shit gets tough sometimes it sure does when you're fucking girls in hotel rooms and putting it on your credit card it sure does when you're going to nail salons with your assistant coach and being seen in public wow there's also rumors of you're cheating on your wife with another woman in the hotel like what the fuck i don't think he's cheating i think they have an arrangement oh i'm getting i'm getting ahead of it right now i don't want to like do I don't want to lead people down the wrong path for an entire episode, but, yeah, I think that they have an arrangement, full on. She said the one thing that stood out to me in that clip beforehand when we're just kind of getting into the season, Juan had an affair because he was bored. Yeah.

Who the fuck says that? And I could see Robin saying that. And I think that the way that she says it is she understands. This is what Juan's going to do. And I'm okay with that. I want to get on with my life. and I want to make sure that our marriage is okay and I get to just kind of move on with everything.

She never really showed any regret for anything that happened except for the fact that she's regretting that people are asking her a ton of questions about it. I think she's pissed off that it's now in the spotlight and he wasn't more discreet about it. I think they have a full-on arrangement. Here's my take. And I don't disagree with you that that might be the setup.

Regardless of whether or not that is the setup, I don't think she likes it. I think that she... Oh, I don't think she likes it either. I think this is affecting her way more than she's letting on, whether it's an agreement or not. And I think that the brashness of Juan is what pisses me off the most. And in this conversation where you're talking about potentially stepping out on your

wife with one of the coaches on your staff, you have the nerve to say that she's a beautiful woman. Are you, I almost dropped my, not even like a notebook throw. I just almost dropped it because I was like, why? Why on earth would you say that? It's Juan Dixon is still living the life of an NBA superstar. He's a fired college basketball. And he was never an NBA superstar.

He was a pretty good college player that got drafted to the NBA and sucked in the NBA. He thinks he's a lot better than he is. And he's still living the life of that and he expects things to happen. Unfortunately, it seems like Robin does too. And I think that that's kind of where their arrangement is. I fully agree with you. I think that she does not like it. But I think that she's more pissed off in the current interim because he got caught.

and now she has to answer questions that she doesn't want to answer questions about something that she's uncomfortable about that kind of pisses her off. I agree with you in a lot of ways. I don't know if it's a full-blown arrangement or not. I wouldn't be surprised if it is. But the funniest shit,

we know why he got fired. We know exactly why he got fired because you turned your back on a poor kid who got catfished by one of your fucking coaches sent videos of him having sex, got blackmailed into those videos with threats of those videos going public,

and you did nothing about it because you're a scumbag. This guy, say what you want, arrangement, no arrangement. Juan Dixon's a fucking dirtbag, dude. If you're going to be this open in public about your quote-unquote arrangement, if you're going to go out and claim that you got a hotel room for a woman but didn't go to the hotel room, which is ridiculous, and then be seen out in public with your coach after that's already in public about the girl from Canada. and then when we all know what happened,

this poor kid's life is ruined because of you and your staff and you have the fucking balls to say that you lost your job because you didn't win enough basketball games. So not only are you a shitty coach because you can't fucking win, you're also a shitty coach because you can't protect your fucking players. You lose on all fronts. You're a bad husband. You're a bad coach, a bad mentor, and a bad dude.

But he's a really nice guy, right? maybe he's just too nice of a guy that was my favorite line of the entire thing I know he's done the whole situation about the hotel room's the hotel room is fucking hilarious I saw some girl and she was in town to meet a Baltimore Raven

but she didn't have any money because she left her wallet at the casino funny left her wallet at the casino so she couldn't pay for the hotel room and I'm just too nice of a guy so I offered to get her hotel room for sure you did how do you hear that story and go yeah I believe

That's the best you can come up with. How dumb are you? And then Robin says, the story's so bad that it has to be true. It's like, no, he's just not even trying anymore because he doesn't have to. Because you're just like, yeah, it's probably true. I agree with that. Yeah, you're a big dumb idiot. That makes sense to me.

What are we talking about here? It sounded, honestly, it sounded like a parody. Like, I was watching a sketch comedy show in which a guy gets caught cheating and then he tries to explain it away. Yeah, it did seem like it. But we move on from there and we get Wendy and Karen and Canada. and they're at dinner and they're talking about the fallout from the reunion. It was an explosive reunion. There's a lot of things said that can't be taken back.

There's a lot of things said that may or may not have been true even. There's just a lot of shit being thrown around. So seeing where this group stands today is going to be interesting. Karen's cool with pretty much everybody. Except for me. Except for you? Mia. Oh, Mia.

Me. Mia, Mario. What did you do to Karen? No, except for Robin is the one that she is. is she still has an issue with Robin because she feels that there needs to be ownership taken, that Robin has sidestepped all the things, as we've seen, as we've already talked about, and she can't be cool with her until she's honest to the group. Here's the funny thing, and I'm glad the production did this.

They asked Wendy, have you been 100% up front and honest about everything? She's like, ah, yeah. No, probably not. Probably not. It goes to Karen, or she's asked her, what about Karen? She goes, oh, next question. Look, we know that everybody hides stuff. right the difference with the robin thing is and why karen can't come to terms with her until she

like admits it or whatever i don't know why but the thing with robin is it was out there so i guess that's why it's a little bit more scathing it's because it was already public knowledge and you didn't bring it or it was going to be public knowledge you're right i'm not sure could be that i could also be because robin brought up the mr blue eyes thing last year when she was being that's right cornered about Juan. I mean, Robin did a lot of things while she was being quartered about the whole Juan situation

last year. So I feel like Karen, we credited her last year because it seems like she's pretty real. If you do something wrong to her, she's mad about it, but if you apologize, she's okay with it.

This, she seems like she needs a little bit more. She needs some sort of accountability. She needs some sort of, I guess, credit for whatever the hell is going on. And I think it's really, it's all Robin's doing. Robin threw Karen under the bus. The whole, I was waiting for Karen to say something is fucking insane.

I don't think that Karen's mad about that. She's probably really confused about that because we're all confused about it. It doesn't make any sense to me. But she did point out the whole Mr. Blue-Eyes thing, which you do know, you start talking about that, then she's going to shut you down immediately. Yeah, well, but we got to check in with Ashley in her new house and the seaside escape. The seaside escape. If your house had a name, I don't understand houses with name. unless they're like vacation homes on an island somewhere.

Even that, I don't really get it. What would you name your house? My house? Yeah. Oh, man. Because this is like her, that's her actual residence. It's not like a vacation home. I would name my house the Thunderdome.

Okay. I'm not going to ask you to elaborate on that one. I don't want to know why. Not for why you think. No, I just think it's a fun name. I don't know. It is a fun name. That's a hard question to ask.

Houses with names, it just bothers. me that's another thing what would you name your apartment fucking no i don't i i you know what i wouldn't because i don't like it uh the mgooder's mountain you're really bad at naming places i'm not good at name i'm usually good at these things but that's the thing you're not good at it because it's stupid and it never needs to be done i do think it's funny every time you walk into like a rental down the shore it always has like seafar way in or like and it's just a house yeah or or lucky penny I guess I understand like the Airbnb thing

Because you probably have to give it like a nickname or something When you're logging it into their system But again those are vacation homes This is your place of residence Don't fucking name your house Look she's excited that she has a house She's a single mom She's living with the place

Yeah but I don't like Ashley Ashley's annoying a shit Here's my thing What This scene was the most real I think I've seen her And we get more of it later And only because of this I appreciated very much that she said Flat out for the first time

Yeah Michael's name is still on the mortgage because I like that sense of security that if something goes wrong, he's still on the mortgage. I think she learned from last year. I think she did too, but that's good. I'd like to see when they learned. Finally, somebody learned.

I feel like on this show, nobody learns anything. They just continue to do the same shit and you get ripped apart by the other women in the group the entire time. How about you just learn to say things and then they won't rip you apart? I think that's what Ashley's doing because she also says, yeah,

I'm dragging my feet in this divorce because I'm worried about finances. Okay. Okay, okay, that makes sense. I haven't forgiven her for what she did to Chris last year, so you can be as nice as you want to her. I'm not forgiving her. I am not forgiving her on that front at all.

I'm simply commenting from an objective standpoint that hearing her say why she's still having Michael on the mortgage, why she's dragging her feet was refreshing. I have not forgiven her whatsoever. Don't gaslight me right now. I'm not in the mood to be gaslit, and I will not stand for it. It's okay.

Moving on, we get to see, but in this scene we get a FaceTime with Giselle and she wants to get some of the ladies together to offer Robin a different perspective on what's going on with Juan. And the group that she's getting together makes a whole lot of sense and we'll talk about it later. But I appreciate seeing, and this is important with Giselle, because Giselle pisses me off more times than she does not. These moments are important because she's looking out for a friend. I do not like the green-odd bandits. It's no secret. But the fact that she's being a genuine friend here and saying, look, we need to figure this out.

We need to try a different route and try to get to the bottom of this for Robin's sake. I like this, Jazeel. That and family scenes with Jazeel. She's great on those. Yeah, but other than that, like she's just mean to people. But she just wants Robin to see what other people are seeing. And so much of this to me is optics. And I feel like that's where I get frustrated.

It's like, Robin. And you might be in the throes of it. might not see it. It might be an arrangement. There might be 15 different reasons, but like, this looks, this makes you look bad and that sucks because you're not the one doing this. Juan's the one doing it, but it reflects poorly on you. And that's not fair to you, Robin. And I'm glad that Giselle is trying to help her out without a shady reason behind it. Yeah, it does make sense. I just keep going back to the fact that I don't think until Robin tells the truth. And if she's not even going to tell the truth to Giselle,

And who the fuck's she going to tell the truth to? I go back to the first scene. She's putting together a fucking photo book of their wedding while talking to Juan about his transgressions. But could that also be her way of being like trying to show him something? Like, hey, I'm sitting here with our wedding pictures and all of this shit's going on. She just seems like so even keeled when she's talking to him about it. But could that be a defense mechanism she's built up to avoid getting hurt because her husband's a dirt bag?

maybe it's just she seemed more agitated when people are asking her questions that aren't Juan when she's with Juan and they're talking about it she seems at ease and it's fucking weird and I don't get it I don't get that vibe I I feel like she is trying to give off that vibe I feel like that's how she wants to come off that's why I said earlier then why wouldn't she do that with her friends because she's defensive okay that's why because she doesn't like them challenging her because she doesn't want to break and open up that she's not cool she wants come off. I think at this point she doesn't want to be embarrassed. Do you think that she will eventually break and do that? I do. That's the thing. You don't. I do. And I think that this first

episode... I feel bad. You're going to hold on hope and I'm going to have to... I will always and forever hold on to hope. I feel bad for you all season. We'll get there in a sec. But let's talk about the thirstiest new housewife on the scene. Jason. This man needs to be on TV. He just has to be on TV. He has to be on TV. I think he sought Giselle out for this opportunity to be on TV. First episode he says, I haven't seen you in a couple of weeks or it's been a few weeks, which

is probably like three weeks. So you show up when they start filming? Oh, weird timing. Like it just worked out that way my man. Like, and he's making her a sushi dinner. Look, I mean, I hope maybe they've grown to be happy, but we did point it out as soon as they started dating. He just needs to be on TV. That's all

he wants to be on TV. Here's the thing. Here's the flip side of it. If Giselle wants to have some phone with a dude that's 16 years younger, he's a very attractive man, and she's just trying to have a little fun, I'm here for it. Yeah. Do your thing. No issues whatsoever. No, this is more than just a little

fun, though. I know, because the kids are involved. I agree. But her disposition about the thing, and she's also not one to show her hand, so there's no telling how she actually feels about Jason. She's playing it up, like, yeah, I'm having some fun in the West Wing, it's seeing some things that hasn't seen in a while.

Like, look, Of course, I'm not wishing negative things on this relationship. No, no, not at all. It's real and pans out. Great. Like, who would have seen that coming? Not me. But to me, all I'm getting is a very thirsty Jason and a very accepting Giselle that's excited to be with Jason.

And I think that, I don't know. I just want to see Jason around with, like, the entire crew. Oh, man. He needs to be around the ground down. He can't handle that. No, he needs to be around the ground on. I got to see what Karen says to him. Karen's going to tear him a new asshole.

He cannot stand his ground amongst this. I really don't think he's going to be in a group setting. I think we're going to get a couple of those scenes, which we always get with Potomac, with Giselle specifically, the family scenes. It's nice to see her being a good mom, nice to see her enjoying her family. Throw Jason in there. We'll enjoy that, but he's not going to do anything more. You know what I did need to see?

What's that? Her feed him in front of the child. I didn't need to see any of that. I didn't need to see that. I didn't care for that. And he goes, look away. He, he, he. I'm like,

ah, no. But hey, if Giselle's happy, whatever. We get our check in with Mia and G. Daddy, aka Gordon, and they're in their

much more humble apartment in Bethesda because they're $10,000 a month rental that they were also renovating just wasn't feasible anymore. Who would have thought? Who would have thought

that a $10,000 rental that you sunk $60,000 into to renovate, which I, will never get over that i brought it up last year 15 times i might bring it up 15 more times this year that does not make sense at all and so you lost 60k on top of whatever else you lost so now you're living in this apartment the apartment looks nice but they're talking about the fallout from gordon losing his CEO position of their chiropractor firm i thought me it was the CEO no she was here's yeah right

That's what she told us. And then she's now in her confessional here. She's the director of marketing. Uh-huh. Where did that come from? She made it up. She made all of it up. All of the things that she says is made up.

I'm not even sure that Gordon was the CEO. And he got voted out. And we don't know why. I'm not going to speculate. I've got thoughts. I'm not going to speculate. I'm not going to get in trouble. Because they will send me a lawsuit.

That's the thing. They would. Mia will send me a lawsuit. So I'm going to keep my mouth. Yeah. We're not going to speculate on this one to avoid the courtroom. but we find out that Mia is sober and then we quickly find out that she's not actually sober

and she's just giving up hard liquor, good for you. That's great. What a weird way to paint. Don't guys that you're sober. No, it's extremely belittling to actual sober people and giving up hard liquor but still drinking beer and wine. Thank God for Gordon pointing it out of all people being like that's the same thing.

Yeah. Because it is the same fucking thing. You gave hard liquor because you didn't like what cocktails did to you that one night but you're still in the day that you, you tried to tell us the audience that you told Gordon, I'm not drinking, you then ordered a glass of wine. Yeah.

Get the fuck out of here with that. That pissed me off. I don't like that at all. But we get to see Chris and Candice, and they seem great. A little picnic in the park. And even after a season in which he got dragged and whatever, and he could have checked out from this group entirely. I know Robin was on their team with this stuff.

But Candace says something very intriguing. Was Robin on our team because she wanted to, I wrote it down. Candice says, were you only supporting Chris and I so no one would bring up your scandal? And then my brain started turning. I'm like, Robin is smart enough to do that. Yes. So that easily could have been a move. And now I'm leaning towards that was the move.

It's like, oh, I'm just going to jump on this train. And now we won't talk about my train. But I'm not going to drag Chris because Juan's doing much worse shit than what Chris has allegedly done, did not do, but allegedly done. that is kind of the vibe that I was getting and that's it seems like Chris and Candice understand that pretty well too. I thought

watching this scene they seem so at ease and just like enjoying the fact like hey we're you know we're still filming it's okay and then we've talked to Chris before and Chris knows that we know that you know filming is uncomfortable and sometimes you don't really want to do it but it's okay he seemed happy and I think

that they're happy because they get to you know exact a little bit of revenge this year and I'm so looking forward to that. And I don't think that they're going to do it. Obviously, you know, Candace might go a little over the top with some of the revenge that she wants to seek back. It's just going to be some things that she says.

Exactly. It's going to be all verbal. Yeah, it's going to be all verbal for Candace. It's going to be a couple where you go, ooh. Yeah, and that's fine because she has the best insults of the Bravo game. She does. And that's the best thing that you can hope for in this situation.

I think that this is a nice, easy way for them to just get into the season. and I do think that Candace is going to go score starth and I think she has every right to go. She absolutely does. But here's why Chris is great and why they're great together is because Chris is the one that's like, look, you and Robin are tight,

you guys need to figure this out. I think you should sit down and have a discussion one on one. There's no need for that. He doesn't need to say that. But they seem to be, which I never thought I would say that Candace is like the level-headed one of the group.

Chris keeps her grounded everything. They work well together. So I'm excited to see them enact some revenge. Yeah. And if they do it the right way, they might win this season. They definitely could. But this is where we get to the climax of the episode.

And this is what we got teased with earlier, with Giselle saying she's getting some of the group together. The women of this group for what I'm calling an intervention or a law intervention or a Dix intervention. I'm not sure which one. I don't like that last one. Dix intervention? That sounds like something different.

Dixon where? Dick's intervention. Yeah, no. No. Who's intervention? He's got so many dicks in them. So a wantrevention. Yeah, that's better.

All right, so it's a wantrevention. And the crew that has been rallied together is Cherise, Jazeel, and Ashley. All three of which have experience with similar happenings. You know, we got Cherise who was cheated on. She's the closest to it because she was cheated on by basketball player. So she can speak directly to it. We've watched Ashley and her struggles with Michael for years and years and years. years and jazelle with jamal we know what happened there as well so these are three people that

can speak to this whole thing with a lot of knowledge on the topic and experience on the topic and it is set up legitimately like an intervention she's going to sit here you guys sit here and when robin gets there it's immediately approached as an intervention like hey you're the star of the show and she's like whoa why which is also like you know why you know exactly what's going on just sit down but she sits down and they start to talk to her about it and what struck me right out of the gate is they bring up the picture of Juan with the girl at the nail salon and Robin's first response is I don't care and they're like why do you not care why don't you care and I think that I think Cherise said it but she says you're numb to it and at this point you're just numb to all this

stuff and that's really sad to see if let's go through this whole scene as though it's not an arrangement just to avoid, because we'll go in that pitfall and we'll start talking for 10 minutes about something else. So let's go into the guys that there is no arrangement here. This is just, we got evidence of a potential cheater and Robin deflecting from it, all right? So Ashley starts out and she says, I messaged you the first night, the thing came out, and I was on the page of, yeah, this is ridiculous, it's bullshit, whatever, then more evidence starts coming out, and then more evidence starts coming out, and then more evidence starts coming

out. And I think it's interesting that Robin can sit there and deflect this entire time and not understand where these women are coming from and feel ambushed when these three are experts on the topic. I can't go through this whole thing without it being an arrangement. Okay. Then you go for me. It's impossible for me to do it because I don't believe the other side of it. I truly don't. And I'm trying to put myself in the mind frame of, okay, she's being cheated on and she's numb to it. It's really sad if that is the case. I just don't believe that that's the case, so I don't even want to just start, like, spewing out things that I don't believe. We talk about what we believe on this podcast.

That's what we do. That's fair. I don't need to put you in a position where you're not believing in yourself. Exactly. No, I think that you were just trying to get me to strengthen your argument. No, no, no, I was trying. No, no, I wasn't at all. I'm kidding.

I'm not, I know what you're on. I get it. I understand. But no, I do think that it really is her sitting there. I think her, I'll talk on this. Her inability to understand where they're coming from and feel anything from that, even in the sense of her being in an arranged cheating relationship, whatever you want to call it, is sad.

Her not being able to sit there and say, look, I know where you're coming from. I understand that. I know you guys are here to help me, try to help me, but she's not giving them the truth. And that's the whole thing. She's not telling them anything. So she's not open to receiving this information at all.

Smirking at things. Yeah, she's smirking at things. She's like, again, that's why when I'm watching this, all I can think about is this is a full-on arrangement. And look, it might be true that she feels some type of way about the arrangement, but it was still an arrangement at one point in time in my mind. And that's at least where I think she's coming from. And she's not taking any of this advice. She's not giving them even the time of day, which is so fucking disrespectful.

And I do understand it's a TV show. So obviously it's a bit of an ambush. People do this. I assume at interventions, I've never been to one. But I imagine that when you sit down and you're the subject of the intervention, you're probably not going to want to hear what they have to say for the most part. She wasn't receptive to any of it. She just didn't care. She just wanted to deflect.

Until this is where, because I am under the impression, like 50% of me is saying it's an arrangement. I'm not out on that at all. I'm just trying to see it from a different vantage point, a different perspective. So we're offering our audience multiple viewpoints because we're that caring. We are that caring. You're welcome, guys. But I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of it not being an arrangement. And where I see evidence to that is when Cherie starts talking.

And Cherise broke my heart. This was a really sad scene to watch her break down and be like, what I'm seeing looks very familiar. And I gave this man a thousand passes. I turned the other cheek. I looked the other way. Only for him to leave me at the end of this. And me questioning what I did wrong when she was the one trying her best to move past

all this shit. And I think that Cherise struck a court. I think that Robin felt that one more so than the other ones because that was the only time she had a full-blown response where she's saying, are you saying, I'm in denial? And Cherise, what I liked about all three of the women in this scene, none of them came out it aggressively. No, they didn't. Like, look, here's my experience.

Ashley, for the first time ever speaks on her experiences defending Michael, which we've never heard that vantage point from her, where she's like, yeah, I had to defend all of his shit, and I would defend it and I would look the other way. We never heard her actually acknowledge the fact that she didn't believe some of the shit Michael was spewing. We finally got that from her. with cherees she says i'm recognizing things in you and things in this situation where i remember those and it's breaking my heart for you my heart bleeds for you because you don't see it and you're

you're so caught up in it and by robin questioning back or you say i'm in denial and not getting amped up about it just simply saying do you think i'm in denial and chriese saying no not for the nail salon and the laundromat all right fine if you want to believe that that's as assistant coach or whatever and he told you that they were going whatever the canada girl that story there's no possible way you can sit there and say oh that seems on the up and up that seems legit like i'll i'll buy that because it's so crazy and that's what robin's like that's the point this story's so crazy that nobody could ever believe that that it has to be true it's like no he just doesn't even try anymore because he knows he can get over on you and i think it's really

sad to watch this shit And to Giselle's point, her issue obviously is with the potential cheating and trying to get Robin to see it, but this is what I referenced earlier, the optics of it, regardless. Okay, let's say in some world, in some fantasy land, he's not cheating on her. The fact that he is going out with another woman in public and taking videos and pictures and going to the nail salon with another woman, the optics of it suck. And Robbins, like, well, if she was, you know, fat and whatever, would you still have an issue? And Gis, again, great dropage.

She's like, all the girls that my man was with, they weren't lookers. I thought no way he'd be up in there. But he was. So it doesn't matter. Yes, the fact that he's out there and the fact that there's rumors about him and he's not respecting you enough to just not get in those situations. He's not respecting your marriage or you as a person to just not put you in that position. That alone, cheating aside, that alone is a major, major issue. And that's where I start to feel bad for Robin, whether it's arrangement or not,

the disrespect level for Juan Dixon and then for him to brush it off like I'm just too nice of a guy, no, you're not a nice guy at all because you completely disregard your wife's feelings in this entire thing. You completely disregard her image, how people in your town are going to look at her, how people on TV are going to look. This is a national TV show. This is international. you're putting your wife in a spot

where she comes out looking like an asshole because you're an asshole and that sucks. That really, really sucks. Yeah, I mean, it does. I think that what we got in this part of the intervention, if you want to call it that, was them showing,

okay, we were in similar situations to what they believe she's in. Right. What we got from Robin was, I'm not in that situation. Right. And that's why it's tough because it's just falling on deaf ears.

I think we need a completely different part of the intervention. We need them hounding her with questions. We might get that later. I think we might get that, exactly. But that's why I feel like when we talked about it in the beginning of the show in the segment, I said that it was kind of boring because we didn't get anywhere. We just got Robin denying, Robin denying, Robin denying. It's hard to watch after a while.

And if she continues doing it, I don't want to watch that. I want her to finally open up or I want them to get annoyed like I'm going to get annoyed and start pounding her with questions because then she might crack. Maybe you'll be able to get some sort of. a truth out of her, but they're not doing that. And I understand how that works because, look, they did come together. They are, or rather, they have lived similar lives or similar parts of their life that are very similar to what Robin, they think Robin's going through right now. So they want to be able to relate to her. The problem is Robin doesn't want to relate back to

them. She is not saying, oh, yes, that's exactly what I'm going through. Thank you for being here for me. No, she's still saying this is not at all what I'm doing. So this is completely fucking pointless for me. She might feel while Charisse is talking and telling her side of the story she might say, I feel really bad for you Cherise. I understand that. But that's not Robin's emotions about her own situation. She doesn't give a shit about her own situation. I'm tired

of watching it. I don't care. I think that she cares again about the optics. She does not want to be the one to answer all the questions. She doesn't want to be the one that everybody's writing tabloids about. She's pissed off that Juan got caught. That's the end of it. That's really all it is, dude. I don't think that's it at all. If this was an actual cheating and Juan has cheated on her in the past. I know.

She knows how it works. I guess he was bored. And if he's doing the exact same thing again and it looks like he is, wouldn't she be pissed off about it and be able to say this is exactly what you were doing before? But that's where I'm... I get the traumatic, like, oh, I'm shell-shocked and maybe I'm, like, in denial and not doing it. You've already been through it before. You're seeing the exact same thing happen once again. Either you know what's happening and you're just not fucking caring about it and this is all a waste of our time.

or there's a full-on arrangement and you don't care and you just don't feel like doing this. There is not a third option. There's absolutely a third option. That she's now back into denial and she doesn't really, I don't think so. I just truly do not think so

based off of the way she's talking. There's scenarios in which you go through so much with somebody that you get to a point where you're completely clouded in your judgment where you refuse to see those. Yeah, I think that she's already done that though. And he already cheated on her.

I do not think that she is comfortable coming to terms with the fact that she remarried a man that would put her through this again, so she will die on the cross of, no, this is not happening. What is making you say that she's uncomfortable with it, though? What emotion has she shown?

She hasn't, and that's my point. When I'm watching these scenes, for me, I'm looking at body language, I'm looking for how they're responding to it. I'm looking for all of those things. I don't think that she's shut off because she doesn't care. I think she's shut off because she refuses to crack

because she doesn't want to seem weak or embarrassed. I don't think she's shut off at all. She's fucking laughing at it. She's smirking at the things that they're saying. I think all of its flaws. all. Well, then we're going to find out. We are going to find out, but that's what I'm talking about.

This was not, all this gave us was a glimpse into, okay, Robbins doing whatever the fuck she's doing, but she's not receptive to any of this. So they're going to have to take a different approach, which is, let's just yell and shout over dinner. That's where we're going to go. Well, for sure. We get there no matter what, but this is going to be an interesting season because we're pretty much watching two different shows then.

Yeah. More or less, which is, you know, it'll offer. I would also like it if you know. know the show took a different turn and this wasn't the entire fucking focus of the season. Look, it's early on we have no idea. Yeah, I know. I'm just scared that it might be the entire season and that would really bother me. I think that it's going to offer a very unique season in which we're both, like I said, taking two very different vantage points here.

So it'll be interesting for the audience. And I'm curious to know where they stand. So we'll ask some questions. Let us know. Yeah, we'll ask some questions that are more pointed on Instagram. So I'm curious. I'm curious what the overall sentiment of this one is. but I'm excited to watch it under that viewpoint.

It'll be interesting. Oh, yeah. This is something new. It's love. Ooh, what? What was it loved? What? What?

You're not feeling the love? Feeling love. But that takes us to our questions. So let's jump right in. And I want to lead us off. And I already listened to it because I saw that he answered with a video. and he said we can play it. So I'm just going to play it.

This comes from our longtime friend of the show slash My Sworn Enemy, Outdoor Lose, who is going to be at our show. And I don't know, have you listened to this one yet? I heard that before. Yeah, I know. I did too. We'll believe it when we said.

I told you when the van is, oh, when the van is parked out front of the bourbon room, then Shooter and I are allowed to get in the van, we will believe it. But until then, I'm only getting in that van if he has candy in the van. I'm not touching that one So without further ado

Lowe's take it away I was hanging out with someone from Tinder And we started talking about Housewives and Podcast I listened to and I mentioned I listen to the Brad Bros And it turns out He listens to Brad Bros as well And then I said oh we should go to the show in L.A. on the 19th

And he said Well if you really want me to go you'll buy me a ticket. And I'm like, why, why can you buy your own ticket? Why do I need to buy you a ticket? So is this a red flag? Should I just buy him the ticket? And he's probably going to listen to this.

So I don't care. So I hope you play it. So, I don't know if it is. So, last one pack here. Oh, stop talking, Lowe, so we heard you already. All right. So let's jump right in. God do it.

It keeps playing Lowe's. Shut up, man. Turn your phone off. There we go. All right. So let's unpack this. Up first. Lois, buy that man a ticket.

You think? Yeah, why not? Why is Lois buying a ticket? I'm going to do you one better because this is what I was going to do to just qualm this whole thing. Loos, we will put you on the list. You and him, you guys have free tickets. Oh, you can do that. Yeah, that's nice.

To just until Lois doesn't show up. If you don't show up, we're done, pal. But that, if I was bringing a date somewhere, I would buy the ticket, yeah. You brought it up. You started talking about the Brabros first, bro. But do you think it's a red flag for him to just immediately say, you buy me the tip? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't like that move.

And he listens, too, so he's listening to this as well. I don't know what your name is, buddy. But for you to just bring that up all willy-nilly like that, I don't know if I like that. And look, I might hate Los, but I'm also very defensive of Los. Yeah, we'll see you both there. Yeah, we will put you on the list. I'll reach out to Los and we'll get you guys on the list so that we don't have. And Los gets the flex a little bit.

bit because we just got him a ticket. Yeah, there you go. Look at us. We're just bringing people together. If this ends up going the distance, just remember how he got there, all right? You remember who did that for you? We'll go sit at Lowe's table after we're done. Wait, no.

Here it is. If this goes the distance and you guys end up getting married, we are invited to the wedding. Oh, yeah. That's in exchange for these tickets. I think that's fair. That's our stipulation. That's fair. Okay.

You're welcome, Lose. Now stop being a dick. up for uh sorry and next from karen a d carina d carina d who's the guy in the glasses and dark hair i can't figure it out watching every episode i'm assuming you're watching our episodes that shooter shooter wears glasses sometimes you wear sunglasses but never on the show never worn sunglasses on here no you want me to start well who are they talking about I feel like that would be really... Are you talking about Rodrigo?

Rodrigo? Probably. Oh, I thought she's talking about us. If it's on Southern Charm, it's probably Rodrigo. He wears glasses. Yeah, he wears glasses. Rodrigo. Wow, we got to the bottom of the...

I feel like if I wore sunglasses on the show, you would be annoyingly distracted. I only get distracted when you look at your phone. We had somebody comment, by the way, and I was going to save it for Rosenthorn on Friday. Somebody commented instead, looking at your phone while your colleague is talking is very rude. And I firmly agree. Colleague? It drives me fucking crazy. I don't say anything.

Don't assume. It's always ever so briefly, but you put it at your side, like you're like sneaking something in class. I have notes on there sometimes. Like scribbling through it. And yeah, no, I agree. I have notes on there. Sometimes I look up facts.

Moving on from Marcy Dwyer. Oh, this is a statement, but whatever. I always loved Austin, but he is taking advantage of Olivia while she is grieving and it's disgusting. We discussed this. We discussed this. We discussed this. and I said that it runs the risk of that,

I don't believe that's Austin's intention. No, not at all. I think it runs the risk, that's all. From Hoover Puppetti, is J.T. just Ramona with brown hair? That's pretty good. Yeah, that's great. From Tara Lacasse, if you could compare one Bravo cast member to the Eagles

and one to the Cowboys, who and why? Oh, that's really tough. That's really tough. the cowboy let's start with the cowboy the Dallas Cowboys of Bravo would be Bethany at quarterback Oh no you have to do the whole team

It's just one person To represent out of the Cowboys is Bethany for sure That's well done The Eagles is tougher We need who's gritty And somebody really gritty A real people person

I'm blanking right now Luann, no. No. I don't know. Yeah, Sonia would make more sense. Yeah. I think that's where I was going at that. I like that.

From Versace, are you shocked that her green-eyed bandit sidekick orchestrated the intervention in regards to Giselle intervening on Robin? I did think about what Giselle's motive could have been just because Giselle's behavior in the past has led me down that path. What I've come up, with is, Giselle is kind of annoyed that Robin didn't spill on their podcast to make their

podcast really big. Instead, they did the paywall and there was nothing that came out of the paywall, apparently. I think that Giselle wants her moment in the sun with Robin talking about her affair. This is going to be shocking to you. You think she's being a good friend? I think that there is selfish motives here, for sure. I think she knows it's going to be a good moment for on TV, without a doubt. Yeah. But I do think that there's genuine care there for her friend. I think there is between the two of them.

Anyone else, no way. Yeah, agreed. Last question from Evan Clark. Who would you boot from the current Potomac cast? I almost said podcast. Mia. Oh, yeah, Mia. That's an easy one.

Yeah, Mia's gone. See you. Uh, yeah, Mia. Who else? Well, you know what? We have a new one this year. So let's just hold on to that. For now, it's Mia.

For now, I agree. Who would be the other one? Cherise? Sheree. I don't think Sheree counts. That's who I was thinking. A friend of. Yeah, she's way more of a friend of.

And by the way, this was the best Sheree I've seen was this first episode. I loved getting to see her vulnerable. Yeah, so we'll just stick with Mia. Mia's the easy one. Other than that, you got anything else? I got nothing. Oh, man, you've had some stuff recently. I know, I've had some stuff recently.

Yeah, no, I got nothing. I'll have some stuff on Thursday. It's Friday. Thursday for us, Friday for all of you. But remember to buy a ticket if you're out in L.A. or traveling to the West Coast, November 19th, the bourbon room. It's a Friendsgiving with Zach Peter, the Brov Bros, and many, many more. It's going to be a blast.

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