Bros & Shows - A Motel is a Hotel Without Dom Perignon (RHOC Full Recap, RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

What's up Bro's?! First things first. Go Birds. Eagles are 2-0. (I'm typing this after we recorded) But back to business, up first we are back with the Orange County Crew and the ladies are still on their girls trip. Vicki makes a surprise appearance and we see the Tres Amigas back together again. Tamra and Jenn end up getting into it again over the Ryan situation. It appears Tamra has been digging around a little for some dirt on Ryan. Or according to her, the dirt was given to her without asking... Emily and Heather are still not getting along as Emily points out some hypocritical moments. Meanwhile, Heather thinks that she's held to a higher standard than the rest of the group leading to a bit of a distance between the two. Shannon finally opens up ever so slightly about John and it doesn't sound great. And Tamra and Jenn have it out with one another at lunch as Jenn has finally reached her breaking point with Tamras nonsense. Then we're out in Salt Lake City where they are all heading out to Palm Springs (even though Angie K wasn't invited). Monica takes center stage in this episode as we get to learn more about her and her backstory. Her recent divorce has her financial status much different than it used to be, and she opens up about her insecurities with the other women in the group. Meredith and Lisa finally go on that walk together and it looks as though they may actually have found a way forward. Both women apologize for their part in the friendship falling apart and its refreshing to potentially see them make up. Heather and Whitney are on the make up train as well but their conversation doesn't instill nearly as much confidence as Lisa and Mer. At a double date, Whitney lets Angie K know about the trip to Palm Springs and it turns out Angie was not invited. Instead of not going, Whitney invites her as her plus one... Time Stamps: RHOC (12:50) RHOSLC (32:21) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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On the road to victory. E, A, T, L-E-S, Eagles! Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Brav Bros, your favorite. a podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen. I am a co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only game day magoutes. What's up, dude? It's game day, and we are recording early in the afternoon so your boy can get down to the stadium, because I have some beers to guzzle and some chance to fire off.

Damn right, you're representing the bros down there today, so it's an important job. You know that I put a lot of emphasis on you when you go to the games. It's important. You're part of the team. I think what I'm going to do, well, obviously, it doesn't really matter because you're going to listen to this tomorrow. But what I might do is throw some questions up for the game and I'll try to answer them as I can. I like that. I really like that.

So pay attention to our socials today as you listen to this tomorrow. Yes, exactly. Well, I'm super excited for the game. I'm going to the corner, Contchie Corner for Life. My neighbor is doing the projector on the side of the house. I think I'm going first. half corner, cheese steak and wings, crab fries, back home for the second

half to watch it on the projector. Perfect energy. I could not be more excited. This is my favorite time of year. I know we talk about the birds at Naudium, and I'm sure that some of the people out there that do not like football, I get tired of it, but this breathes life into us and the entire city of Philadelphia.

It does, honestly. I went to get a coffee this morning, and it was like a brisk, 65 degrees, just getting out there. Good shorts and hoodie weather. Love that shit. I love light jacket weather. Yeah, light jacket weather. That's the funny thing is I put, I go light jacket weather spring. For the fall, I always go like crew neck and shorts. Ah, I'm the opposite. I think of spring. I'm so excited. You have a crew neck and shorts on right now, but yeah. That's hysterical. That's actually

really funny. But I, oh, you mean crew neck sweatshirt? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. I, um, I do crew neck with the long, I don't wear shorts a lot. You know that. Like nice shorts. I don't wear dress shorts a lot. No. But I'm a big light jacket guy. And I think that was because I used to be a thicker gentleman. And the light jacket made me... Shout out all the thicker gentleman out there. I'm... With two Cs thicker. Now, I was actually probably three Cs thick.

Now I'm two C's thick. Now I'm two C's thick in a strong way. But the light jacket, I could always pull that off regardless of how I felt I looked. It was more of an insecurity thing. We're really diving into it here. I got it. No, we're really getting into it. Actually, a good segue from this is...

And we're doing current events. Yeah. Oh, okay. The prisoner has been caught. We caught him. And it was by far the funniest thing. First off, he got caught. wearing an Eagles hoodie.

Go birds. Filly Mag wrote an article afterwards saying it's not funny that he got caught with an Eagles hoodie. Stop saying go birds to it. Pretty funny. Hey, fun killers, fucking Buzz Killington's out there. Losers, shut up. The funniest part of the entire thing was one.

Obviously, they took a fucking photo op with him, which was sick. That was really funny. And then they had, I guess, I don't know if it was the commissioner, because he got caught in Delco. So I don't know what the hierarchy is over there or whatever, but somebody was answering some questions and one of the questions the king of Delco. Yeah, it's the king of Delco actually. Yeah, it's mayor of East Town actually. Oh yeah, mayor. Um, that's

fucking hilarious. He was up there taking questions about the whole thing and a reporter asked him, he is a small guy. Was there a worry that there was going to be another small guy that was going to get on his shoulders and then they throw a big trench coat over him? He said like a little rascal scenario. Yeah. And the guy goes, no. The commander was like, no.

I just moved on. All right, cool. Sick. Like that is, that's the epitomeo philly is we, there's a killer on the loose that broke out of jail. And we've made making jokes for weeks about it. No one's been worried. Everybody's just cracking jokes. He gets caught with an Eagles hoodie.

He basically said, go birds when he got caught. More or less. And then somebody makes a little rascals reference during a very serious press conference about catching a killer. Like, it's fucking hilarious. Philly magazine, that article they wrote, like, it's not funny. Look, no one's condoning murder. Like, I think that's the disconnect here.

like, can it the situation be made light of? Yeah, a convicted murderer was on the run for 14 days and they couldn't do shit to catch him. Obviously, we're all rooting for him to get caught. No one's on his team here. But, like, Philly's going to make light of the situation. Barstool, Philly was putting up prop bets for it was like to hit the parlay. Vikings lose. Eagles win.

Catch the convicted murderer. Like, that was part of a parlay. I love that. But the last thing before we dive in, I would be remiss to not. mention it. Did you watch Kelsey yet? I did. This is a free ad all the way.

I did stop, though. Before the Super Bowl? No, I watched up until they tied it at 35 and then I turned it off. Did you? You couldn't go through it. Fast forward through it because you want to see the end. The end is, it's moving.

Yeah. You're assuming I want to be moved. I was fired up and I'm fired up for the game. If I watched the end of that, I'm not going to be fired up anymore. You would because it's still like he ends it on a good note. You know, I get it. I do get it because I watched quarterback

and I had to watch Mahomes. go through and that was fucking brutal. That made me upset. I cried multiple times during Kelsey. I am man enough to admit that. Not like sobbing, just like choked up with like, at one moment it was like pride. I was like, God, like he embodies what the city is to a T. And I was like proud of that.

And then at other times I was crying, it's a moving move. There were multiple times where I had to like push through. Really? You? Yeah. Wow. When, well, I mean, but it's all, the funny thing is it's, all game-centric.

Like, a lot of people are going to say... Oh, yeah, everybody's going to say, like, you know, the family stuff, and the family stuff was great, don't get me wrong. But when his wife was crying when he was coming out of the tunnel, I was like, fuck me, fuck me,

I don't know if I'm gonna be able to handle this game tonight. Dev was crying, and she, like, she looked at me, she said, how are you not crying? And I was like, I was at that moment, like, holding back. I couldn't even respond to her. I couldn't respond and say,

like, I am or I'm not, because if I opened my mouth, I would have let out an audible, like, I get that. The funny thing is, obviously this is very real and it's a real story. I will watch, like, fiction and it'll really speak to me. And then I'll watch something real and be like, this is stupid.

I don't really care. Like, this isn't getting to me emotionally. Fiction will, but I know what you're talking about where you get to that point where you're a, you could cry, you know? You're like on the fence. But like, and it's all about breathing. If you take a breath in, and especially when you're around somebody else and then they're going to look right over, you do that breathing thing where you start to breathe in and it kind of breaks.

He goes, and then you're like, fuck, fuck, and now I'm whimpering. Like, I went from trying to not cry, and now I'm whimpering like a little baby. I can't handle it. So, yes, no, there were a lot of times where I had to just kind of persevere through it, but I knew that I wouldn't be able to handle the end of the game. You can call us fucking crazy if you want to. We are. Yeah.

And it's fine. We care, and the city cares. And that's, you know. It's a new season. If you haven't seen Kelsey, even if you're not a bird's band, give it a watch. I think it's like number two on Prime Video right now, which is, it's pretty ridiculous that a Feynman gets that much recognition. Well, it was just, I mean, it was just the fucking perfect storm.

They thought it was going to be his last season, and then it ended up being the best season in Eagles football history without winning a Super Bowl. And it just so happened that he was going against his brother, like the first brother-to-brother match up the show. It's just fucking wild. The entire thing, the way it came together is insane. It is. A bit of watch.

It was great. Yeah, it was a great documentary. But let's get back on. Now let's talk about OC and get angry. Let's do our Rosenthorne. quickly. We're not doing news today as the news is this. The birds are playing tonight. So we got shit to do. So we're going to jump right into our Rosen Thorne. Why don't you lead us off there, pal? You'll start off with my thorn. All right. Thorne me. And it's a funny

Thorne. Last week, obviously we're in the new studio. Yeah. Getting a lot of props for the new dude. Yeah, I like that. You know how many people have said that they can't hear a word I'm saying because they look over my shoulder and they see Luann's mugshot? Oh, I've seen a lot of those actually. It's pretty funny. All right. Get over it. Everybody. Listen to me. All right? I'm good to look at. I'm good to hear. Just get over the Luam mugshot. It's here.

It's here to stay. We're not moving in anywhere. It's a great piece of art that we have back here. You're welcome. But pay attention to me. That was a stylistic choice. Yeah. I'm a pick me boy, right?

He needs the attention. He thrives on it. Like when you guys were all jumping on board like the shooter bandwagon, this man, it was untouchable. He was walking on top of the world. Look, I mean, everybody was on my side during the Eagles run last year, so we need it again. That's actually, see, that's how die hard we are. I am on board.

Talk him up. Make him into an even bigger... Wow, I can't talk. Yeah. Make him into an even bigger-headed person so that the birds do well because if that's how they did it well last year and that's synonymous with shooter

feeling good about himself, carry on. Work it out. Here's my rose. This rose comes from Kaz Fetz. I'm not really sure if I'm saying that right, but here we go. Great podcast for someone getting into the housewives. Oh, man, this is mine.

Was it really? I just thought it was really. unique and stuff, so we can do a little shared rows here. It's all right. You go sentence by sentence. I'll read a little bit. You read a little bit. No, that sounds like a nightmare. As somebody who has watched the Housewives for close to five years and has gone back

and watched older seasons, it's actually refreshing to listen to y'all come in with new takes as people who haven't seen it. I've seen them, but I don't care about all the backstory, so it's nice to listen to somebody who doesn't know it. Perfect. I mean, that's what we try to do in a nutshell, so there you go. Yeah, that, that describes our podcast. Nice job.

All right, let me go. my thorn is this and we this is our most interacted with video on twitter or x that we've had and it was my rant about ralph um and somebody commented that knows him i guess and they had this to say he would never even say this in ralph's face you do not know me sir yeah you can ask shooter i have no problem saying things to anybody it actually gets me it used to get me into trouble. I don't do stupid shit anymore. But as far as like not being the guy

to say it to people's face, that is the opposite of me. I look forward to the opportunity. Also just a weird take to make. Yeah. I'm not trying to. Especially because every 99.99% of people that were commenting were saying that you're right. We're saying he's a piece of crap. So on and so

forth. Everybody was negative towards Ralph, as you should be after watching that. To take the stance, I don't even know if you're supporting Ralph or just saying that Steve wouldn't be able to handle himself in a fight. I don't know. I'm not even trying to fight the guy. We would have him on the show and we would hear him out

and then also tell him that he's wrong and rip him apart. We will have anybody on, anybody. And we wouldn't enter it like being like, all right, Ralph, like, explain yourself. It's more so like, all right, dude, let's hear it. You try to talk yourself out of it. We are going to counter. Like, we will literally interview anybody.

I have no issue if he wants to come on the show. I welcome it. Once again, I'll say exactly. exactly what I said to him. I have no problem doing that. But anyway, on to my rows. Let's go on to some happier business. You sure took mine.

So I'm just going to go to the next one because it's funny. From Nurse Nancy 111. These guys are great. Who knew we'd need or want our husband's opinion on our housewife show? Excellent podcast, five stars. Who knew? Did it actually say five stars? Yeah, she wrote five stars.

I love that. I love when people give it five stars and then say five stars. Ten stars. That's ten stars. That's how I count it. That should count as a double, I think. But let's not waste any time because we got shit to do. We got the birds home, baby.

But that doesn't mean that we don't have time for you guys. Always time for you guys. We will always make the weather on vacation. Is the weather perfect and I'd like to be drinking a beer in the parking lot right now? Sure would be. But that's. We've got time for you guys. You don't know how much that speaks to how much shooter loves you guys.

The fact that he is here right now and not in the parking lot in the D lot. How did you know I was going to the D lot? Are you? Yeah, I knew it. Vives are going. Vives are strong, but we are back in O.C. And we're at the dinner at the beach still. It's like the aftermath of everything.

And Heather storms off to like go get her gifts or just kind of like gather herself, I guess. And Emily's still really pissed about how Heather's treating her. And as this episode plays out, we get to see the double standards, which I kind of needed only because, like, Emily's talking a lot of shit. Heather's talking a lot of shit, but at least Emily apologizes and owns up to her shit. Heather doesn't seem to do that ever. No,

and she even doubles down by giving them the gift and everybody thinks of how weird it is that they're getting gifts right now, speaking to how much everybody's kind of at odds with Heather. I know. Heather comes out with all these gifts, and then she goes into her confessional and says, well, yeah, I mean,

I don't think that they deserve these gifts, but I already got them embroidered. Like, okay. She's the queen of embroidering. Yeah, who gives a shit? You know what, just keep them in your hotel room. Don't give them the gifts. But the main thing here is Shannon finally somewhat lightly opens up about John.

And this is not good. It's not good what she says. And the fact that she, like, belittles it to the point that she makes it like a non-issue. Once again, we hear the, it's normal relationship stuff. And it's like, you know, John doesn't want to spend time with me. You guys get that. And John doesn't want to talk about the relationship. He's an avoider.

I'm a communicator. Sometimes you just don't mesh. It's like everything you're saying is a red flag. Those are all bad, bad things. That's not a healthy relationship. That's not a happy relationship. The man, if you bring up your relationship, he says, no, no, no, we ain't doing that.

No. No, we're good how we are. Yeah, this is fine for me. This is working fine for us. For me, I'm cool. Shut up, Shannon. He's definitely a big us guy. Like, when he talks about things, he always says to her,

this is good for us, or this is what we need and just speaks for her and answers on her back and she just says okay she goes okay john don't leave but i just think it's really really interesting because shannon is so up in arms about people talking shit about her relationship and people behind the scenes meanwhile she brings up jenn and ryan and says we're going to dig deeper into jen's relationship that's the same shit what's the difference like that's my problem with this cast i think and it's arguably the most unlikable group in all the house lives. I don't know. I guess

that translates to good television for a lot of people. It just doesn't for me. For the reasons that we speak about all the time, just needing to kind of like emotionally understand where people are coming from in this show. And we never really can. Like every time I try to put my, like,

I don't really, I just can't even communicate as to why I do not like this cast. It just doesn't make any sense to me. You put it. You try really hard. We both try. We watch so much. and we have to talk about it, so we try really hard to put ourselves in their shoes

and it's impossible because every time you do that, they do something that's wild and you're like, hey, I don't really understand it. I think like you said a few times, it's clear that these women aren't friends outside of the show.

Right. And I think that we pick up on that. I think a lot of people pick up on that. And that's, it's hard to watch knowing that, like, I mean, Heather says it. She goes, I'm just coming to the realization that, like, I don't like a lot of these women. Yeah.

It's like, we've seen it. We know. We watch it. every week and we get to understand that and it sucks because you like when shannon says that she wants to dig more into jenn and ryan's relationship it's a form of deflection to get them away and she knows that's going to work right because hey i've got there's a juicier scoop over here right stop looking at me go look over there yep and then i'll help you take down another woman even though it's the exact same thing that you're trying to do to me that i've been complaining

about for weeks like no it doesn't everything should apply to everyone not just you and not just another person it just doesn't make any sense and when we finally do get somebody that's like the fucking trace amegas and they are actually friends they're insufferable they are so hard to watch but I think we can sum it up as we like the

drama we welcome the drama we do not like hypocrisy hypocrisy on this show on any of these shows is really frustrating to watch because then it calls into like question the I don't understand like the logic doesn't logic and that's when I get frustrated

But moving on from that, we start to dig in to Tamara a little bit, and there's another woman at the gym. It's the woman that Ryan allegedly had his, not allegedly confirmed, had his little thing with while him and Jen were on a quote-unquote break, right? Now, Tamara says this woman reached out to Tamara and gave her all the dirt. Jen has talked to this woman, apparently, and that woman told Jen that Tamara reached out to her and said, send me everything. What sounds more believable to you? Obviously, the Tamara asks 100%. See her do it and she says that she's going to do these things. She does it on Twitter.

Yeah, she does it on Twitter in front of everyone. And then she also will be caught on camera telling another woman, hey, so I was talking to this person, like I decided to dig a little bit deeper because it wasn't making any sense. And yes, in some aspects, that's okay because you need to get the full story. The way that Tamara does it is malicious. Tamara only wants to do it so that she has dirt on her. And it drives me fucking insane.

Because when you get to see the Vicky shows up and then Vicky drops that bomb talking about Jen and Ryan. Tamara looks at Jen and she goes, oh, no, no, no, like laughing at her. She's like, she doesn't even know who Ryan is. Ha, ha, ha. You got the information from you. Right. Like, what are you doing? You're trying to be buddy, buddy with Jen.

But then you go to the confessional and say, I just don't understand, like, this relationship that I have with Jen. Like, I don't really get it. I don't really like her. I need to, like, do this and that. And it's like, then stop being buddy, buddy with her and be normal. Like, we see this on other shows. If you do not mesh. and I go to like Sutton and Erica Jane

they did not like each other and you knew it and it was very apparent Tamara is fake in your face and then she'll go behind your back and try to dig up dirt and go after you some other way or have somebody else do the dirty work for her it's crazy to watch this unfold and then Tamara just this whole like

whoa is me I can't believe that people think that I'm a bad person it's like you are perfectly said yeah I have nothing to add frustrating it's very frustrating I want to touch on the ATVC real quick because I got to give Emily props when they showed where they were standing on, I guess you can call it like a diving platform.

It's a wooden structure at a sonote. And we've seen it. This is our second sonote. We had one with Potomac, yeah. But you know what? We got activities. And I love activities. We need activities.

But to see Emily just not even blink and just jump off that thing, when she hit, I was like, ooh, it didn't seem like a clean. You can tell what people get through the water. Like, they're fine. It was a loud impact. I was like, oh, I don't know if she, like, I don't know if that was a good one.

Sure enough, she pops up with a bloody nose. I was like, but you know what? One, took it like a champ. Two, didn't back down from the jump. And three, she didn't turn it anybody else. That would have been a day ender. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, my nods.

If Shannon did that? No. Oh, Shannon would have gone home. She would have laid, like, floated in the Sonote until somebody saved her. Yep. She wouldn't have moved. Without a dollar. I mean, you already get to see, and that's the other thing is, like, somebody like Gina doing it.

Gina's very obvious. She's very forthcoming with her fear of water and fear of whatever might be in the water. When she did this stutter step at the end of the time, I thought she was like, oh, no, no, no. Because we've seen those videos where the person, like, at the last minute grabs on to, like, the rock, and then they fall down a cliff side and then, like, roll into the water. I've seen that happen in person before. Yeah. No. Look, anybody out there that's going to do some stupid shit, take it from somebody that's jumped off a lot of things.

I have too, yeah. I mean, and the funniest part about the whole thing is I love the, well, I guess they kind had some people there to kind of watch to make sure. No, they didn't. They had two guys that were like, I was thinking the same thing. This means stop. This means go. Here's a sonote.

At least that, I guess. I don't know. Something. Those guys could give a fuck. When I saw it happen, I was down in Puerto Rico and we just went into like this foresty area and there was a huge jumping cliff area and there's a ton of people jumping up and whatever somebody tried to climb all the way up the rocks and go under a waterfall and jump over and then they slipped and fell yeah and that will have rolled all the way down and then into the

water and then they were all cut up and shit and it was great but here the two the two notes one if you're gonna do it don't be a hero do the the scary jump that everybody's doing yeah two you got to commit yep if you're gonna do dumb shit you got to commit and you don't have to be the first person i mean obviously emily came out with the bloody nose but it looked like tamer was okay Shannon was okay so the gem was fine you know and heather Heather will never get in that one. It was no way. Absolutely not.

You couldn't pay her to. But the next thing, Tamara's in a little confessional, and she drags Jan again. She's like, you know, I thought she was a yoga mom, and now she's wearing this fake designer stuff and like this fake drip. And I like that the producer calls out what she's wearing. It's like, well, who made that? Yeah. And she says a name that I don't know. And it could be made.

It could be fake. It could be real. But it's just weird that she takes these weird digs of Jen. Look, Tamara hasn't been on screen for a little while. She's doing everything. Season, she's trying to do everything she can. I wouldn't be surprised that it was fake. Forced, bro.

Like, it's not even fluid. When she tries to make jokes, they never hit. But I'm not going to, I will not let Tamara ruin my day. You can do that today. I'm not letting her get to me. You think I'm going to do that? No, not that she's, but that's the thing. You can talk shit and not let it ruin her day.

I talk shit. I'm going to get, you know, emotional, whatever. But we get Vicky, who arrives to the trip. And I was excited. I was like, oh, cool, Vicki's back. And then after the first interaction with Shannon and Tamara, I was like, this is going to be a fucking nightmare. Yep. They just start screaming and she starts saying, whoop it up again.

And like, I don't believe that she's ever whooped it up. Like, whoop it up to me means that you are going to go balls to the wall. Like, I appreciate the effort that she brings, but I feel like whoop it up is a way for her to, like, pump herself up. It has to be. And I always thought that whoop it up is like a positive thing. Like, you're going to bring the light. to the party. It's going to be so much fun.

She does not bring the life to the party. When she gets drunk, she gets scary drunk to the point that she's falling down and you have to worry about her. Right. That's not fun for me. That's not a whoop. No. A whoop is, we're going to play some beer games.

We're going to play beer pong. We're going to flip cup. We're going to jump in this pool and have a lot of fun. Right. She's like, no, I'm going to drink like 17 margaritas and then fall down. Yeah, exactly. Not whoop. No, boopless.

But while they're at dinner that night, a lot of stuff starts to come to light. They start to bring up. the issues that the group is having. This is where the hypocrisy comes in with Heather, and this is the perfect way to kind of describe it all. She said to Emily that she's got a snuffaloffigus look going. In what world is that a compliment? She goes, I love snuffaloficus.

Snuffaloffigus, let's call him what he is. He's a big, hairy elephant. Yeah, that's never a compliment, ever, no matter how you spin it. That's like saying no offense. but you're a fucking ugly. Like, I don't know what else to say. I really don't understand how that could ever be taken as a compliment. No, but she tries to spin it like because I love snuffalo because it's a positive.

It's like just because you like something doesn't mean that calling somebody a hairy elephant is a good thing. Yeah, no. Like, thank God, Emily. And this is why I love Emily. I like Bigfoot, but I wouldn't call you Bigfoot. Correct. Oh, and then we have the SAS swatch. Yeah.

That's stupid. That's why I was thinking about Bigfoot. Tamara, you know it's a Sasquatch. Oh, my God. You know it's a Sasquatch. You're saying it incorrect. on purpose, not doing it. She will not suck me into it.

Nope, not doing it. But Vicky out of nowhere says to Jen, I think that we have a similar situation. I was in a similar, similar relationship where you're in love with a person, but they're just not right for you. Where would she get that information from? How on earth would she know that and have that opinion about it? I mean, it's painfully obvious to us and everybody at that table. Everybody in the world.

And it's just, it just doesn't make any sense. Vicky has been out of the scene for six or seven weeks since that party. I don't even know whose fucking house it was anymore because this is very quickly turning into the longest season ever. I don't know how it's still on TV. And Vicky has not seen Jen. That's probably the first time that you ever met Jen. Otherwise, you're not going to meet Jen.

You don't know shit about Jen. No. Don't bring this up randomly while sitting at dinner. Like, no. Either one, you're just trying to get back on the show or create some waves or whatever. And Tamara kind of orchestrated this whole thing to try to get you. you a little more air time. Everybody knew what was going on right away.

I'm happy that Jen knew right away and then immediately called out Tamara. I'm glad she finally calling her out of the table. Call her out to her face. Everybody knows what's going on. The worst part about this whole thing is the other women's confessions. When you get to see Gina and Emily are talking about how Jen is going through this whole thing and we really need to check on Jen and make sure Jen's okay. They didn't step up for her.

They didn't step up and the emphasis. They checked on her after, but during that moment, they didn't say a word to Jen. They just kept their mouth shut. And then Emily made a joke about how her mother-in-law, who's 78 years old, heard it. And she's like, yeah, my mother-in-law is, like, 78 years old. She heard that he was a player. So let's just jump right.

Oh, yeah. Well, I'm lumping everything together. Yeah, we're pretty much there. And I think that what's weird is the emphasis isn't placed on, is Jen okay? Is she feeling okay? It's why doesn't Jen react? Why doesn't she stand up for herself? Why is that your focus?

Maybe get to the root of, okay, she's not reacting. Maybe we need to talk to her, like, behind a closed door instead of ambushing her every single time Tamara's around because Tamara has her sight set on her because she thinks it's a good storyline. That's just they don't know how to talk to each other because they're not friends. They did the same thing with Shannon. Like, yes, maybe Shannon's a little scarier to handle that situation with because she gets blackout drunk. It doesn't remember what she says, but you haven't even tried that approach with Jen. No. You keep hearing things.

And yes, obviously the season started off with Jen talking about how she was in an emotionally cheating relationship with Ryan. and she was still married to the last guy and blah, blah, blah, and whatever. But you never took the time to sit down and be like, look, we're hearing a lot of things. Most of it's coming from Tamara. You can just be plain about it. I don't understand why they try to beat her on the bush. Tamara is not like trying to go against Teresa Judice. Tamara is not trying to go against someone who's like a mainstay, like Jen Shah was in Salt Lake because you were afraid of her.

Nobody should be afraid of Tamara. No. Like maybe, yes. Maybe if you do have some dirt that you don't want to be dug up, Tamara will go after that dirt if you go after her. We need people to go after Tamara because she's orchestrating this whole shitstorm and then acting like she's having a great time doing it because

she's not doing any of the dirty work herself. It's just frustrating to watch and nobody backs her up and I'm happy that Jen grew a spine, stood up, and went at Tamara. But to your point what you just said, in the first episode, she offers up the information. She does not hide behind

a whole lot. She says, yeah, I was the one to fuck it up. She does say like she tries to give the softer approach and like yeah the marriage was dead or the spark was gone but other than the spark was gone like we didn't hear a whole lot of defensive from her like she took ownership if i'm her and i offered this info in the beginning i gave people the opportunity to like discuss it with me right this has been the response since is a lot of side talks a lot of ambushes at dinners and like social events why the fuck would i bring it back up right and if you guys have questions, everyone wants to talk about Shannon and the fact that, like, oh, we're

supposed to bring this stuff to her. Why is Jen treated differently? It's because Tamara's the one that has her sights set on her, but at the table is when the Ryan discussion really amps up and Tamara admits to talking behind Jen's back. Yes. She says, yeah, I've been talking with so-and-so, and that's when Jen's like, all right, if you want to fucking do this, let's do this. Because she reached out to me and said that you texted her and said, send me everything.

And that verbatim sounds exactly what Tamara would say. Yep. you would be that forward with it. And Tamara's like, no, no, that didn't happen. We have so many different instances in which Tamara's done exactly this. We have a comment on our TikTok of her claiming that she did not interact with Jen before this season, really, when in the first episode, and that comments from Tamara on our TikTok. But in the first episode, she's the one saying, I've known Jen for a long time.

She's come to the gym. I watched her and Ryan get together the first time. Like, which side of the street do you want to be on? Because you keep picking both lanes and it doesn't work that way. She doesn't know. That's her blueprint for doing good reality TV, I guess, is just play both sides of the field and just keep bopping back and forth. That way you can be friends with everybody, but you can also go against them whenever you want. And I hate in this scene, instead of focusing on that, like, yes, we do agree that Jen and Ryan's relationship is a problem.

There's an issue there. And eventually, yes, we're not going to get anywhere. and Jen admits to knowing certain details, but why would she share all of those details, especially with these women? They don't have your best interest in mind for the most part. Gina somewhat seems like she kind of cares, but she's just kind of worried for Jen.

Gina, to me, it seems like she's trying to figure out where she can fit in sometimes. I think so, too. I would agree so, too. I think that Emily is more of an authentic person because she tries to start and then stops and then makes a joke about her mother-in-law. And then at the end, she just says,

look, at some point, we're talking to Jen about this, and we're telling her all these details. She knows a lot of these. She wants to stay with Ryan because she loves Ryan. At some point, you just have to let an adult be an adult. Yeah, you guys. And that's the difference between Jen's situation and Shannon's situation. Or, yeah, and Shannon's situation, she admits to everything.

She knows. As soon as you bring something up, she looks and she goes, well, yeah, I didn't want to talk about that. But like, I knew that. And this is what I'm choosing to do. Shannon goes, well, you guys are completely wrong. You know nothing about my relationship and just completely goes into denial mode. There are very vast differences there. The biggest problem here is once you get to the point where you say Jen is an adult, she's going to make her own decisions.

She knows all this information and she's still doing it. We can be here to help if we want to, whatever. Once you diffuse that whole thing, the big problem is Tamara. Why is no one looking at Tamara and saying, Tamara, shut the fuck up? Like, why are you digging so hard? Why are you just actively trying to take down another person? What did Jen do to you specifically? We haven't seen anything this season where Jen is going after Tamara or working in the background saying,

well, you know, Tamara's relationship isn't that good. And maybe you should look at her accounting books because her gyms are making way too much money and there's not a lot of people there. Anything like that, then Tamara can be like, fuck you. I'm going to go after you. Jen hasn't done shit. Jen, if anything, was probably thankful in the beginning

because Tamara got her on the show. We all know she got her on the show. But instead, Tamara's taking this chance to bring this person on the show just to take them down in the public eye. It's so fucking weird. The fact that none of these women see that or maybe they do see that and they just don't care

is not good television to me. it's not good television and to hear this sentence again I'm not going to get ramped up don't do it to hear the sentence you ruined your whole family and no one says anything someone says this is getting like too far say that to Tamara say hey Tamara not generally

knock it off because now you're rule number one baby leave the kids out of it now you're bringing the kids into it now you're bringing up and the only reason they said it was getting too far is because of Jen's reaction exactly which is a normal reaction absolutely somebody ever says that to you you flip out, you freak out. Jen had a normal reaction. Tamara's sentence was not a normal reaction. You should

never say that, but that's what happens with Tamara. If you push her even a little bit, she gets nasty. She says, absolutely nasty. The penis thing that she can possibly think of, and it's not clever, it's not funny, and it's not good TV. But that's, and that's why this cast just does not work. No one's going

after her. It can't just be the subject of the criticism from Tamara going back at her. Somebody else needs to step in and say something to Tamara. Nobody wants to because they all have their own personal agendas and nobody can find their way or you've got heather on the other side just completely checked out because she doesn't give a shit anymore nobody else is really stepping up and doing anything there's no good performances by one of these women in this entire show and it is boring and stupid it can't be the tamera show because she

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it wasn't a whole lot going on, but that's okay. I just, I'm glad that there's not one center focus of the whole episode. And, like, I think that's where it lost its luster last year was, you knew every week what the topic was going to be. Yeah. And instead of it being Jen Shaw, it was Heather's Black Eye, and you knew what we were going to get. And I think that's where they fell short this season.

We don't have that. So that's nice. We obviously have some different. things that have happened in the past that we're getting some resolution to which is very different than just trying to further the drama and that starts us out with Lisa and Meredith on their first one-on-one like walk and talk and just hang out for like two years yeah which all stems from the off-camera hot mic moment where she calls her a garbage horror and says that she's sleeping around and there was a lot of negative stuff that Lisa said in a hot mic but she's apologized at length the first year or like immediately after that, Lisa was going out of her way to do anything for Meredith to like prove to her that she was her friend. Why I think that this break was so important for Lisa is she within this time frame has 100% found her voice.

She's confident in who she is. Her businesses are doing well. She stands up for herself now. She's not going to take Meredith's shit. So if they are going to bridge this gap again, she's in the best place possible because she will no longer be a lackey to Meredith. She's going to be her own person, stand in her own morals and values,

and that could actually lead to a good friendship, whereas before it was much more of a, how can I help you, Meredith, and Meredith kind of talking down to her. Yeah. So I'm excited to see this, Meredith's not my fave. No.

I want to see this blossom. But I agree, and I think it's going to make for a good show, too, because in the past, when you get Lisa just kind of doing whatever Meredith wants, Lisa's not a good character. No. Lisa has, like you said,

found her voice and she's moved forward. She is stellar on her own. I think overall, and I know that I said last week that I was a little skeptical about what Meredith's intentions were with Lisa, thinking that, you know, Meredith is kind of like moving to the background and she's not really friends with a whole lot of people. What can I do? I need to make friends with Lisa. I'm going to throw that out the window for now.

Just because when I watched this scene, I felt like it was genuine. I thought that pretty much all the questions, it was important that Meredith was walking and said, look, I think that we both made mistakes. I think that we're both regretful for the things that we did. I think we're both very sorry. And I think that we both want to move forward with this. And you get the confessionals from both of them. And neither one is throwing shade.

Like, yes, Lisa is saying, you know, I'm going to be a little cautious here as I move forward with Meredith because I don't want that. And that's fine. I think it's important because, like you said, last year we just had Lisa doing everything under the sun to try to make Meredith like her again. And in the process, she ended up just finding her own voice. And Meredith wasn't ready. And that's okay. that's entirely fine after what Lisa said and what Lisa did on national television

it's okay if you don't want to be friends with that woman right away, give it some time to simmer, and they did, and now you're back, and look, I don't think that they're going to jump right being into best friends again. I don't think anything's going to happen like that. I think it's going to move quicker. I think it's going to move quickly, I do think it's going to move quickly, but I don't think that they're going to have like inside jokes by

next week. No. I think that they will get closer, and eventually we're going to have a very awkward scene where John and Seth have to sit down and talk about it. The robot husbands? Yeah. Oh, dude. Oh, man. They're going to get a bathtub together and they're going to hash it out. See, the thing is, I like John.

J.B. Husband boss is a likable character. He does come off robotic at times. Seth actually seems like an AI robot man. I think the opposite, actually. That's so funny. That's so funny. I think that, honestly, I think that either of them could go both way. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. I think that there's more personality coming out of Seth when he's trying to pour that shot of, of wine. It just didn't make any sense, but it's just goofy and it just seems like something of goofy guy. It's like if you go and like chat GPT and type in poor wife a glass of wine and the AI

robot doesn't understand like oh, there's a wine glass and he's like shot glass. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Make shot glass joke. Ha ha. Like he's just so vanilla. He is super vanilla. They're all vanilla though. That's the thing. It's like all of them are. I don't have an issue with Seth.

It's just like that that's my read. But the next scene is Whitney and Heather and... Boy, do we eat our words right away. Yeah, I know. Oh, my God. These two attempt to reconnect. They say, you know, there's been a lot going on. And obviously, they used to be good friends, their cousins.

And we saw a little bit in the first episode of a potential reconnection. We didn't, I didn't expect to see this, like, right out of the gate. But I don't see it going that well, especially with the Angie K entering the whole thing. Because Heather has an issue with Angie Kay, rightfully so. spreading rumors that Heather hooked up with Jen Shaw around Salt Lake. Like, it was funny-ish at the time when we watched it during the season because nothing else was happening. That was funny.

But that's a pretty scathing rumor. It is. Especially in a very, very religious city. Right. You know, it's like a bunch of Mormons, and you're talking about scissoring. That's a very good point. Now, I had a problem with this. Obviously, we said last week that we hope that Heather can turn it around.

I said that I was very hopeful that she was going to have a good thing. season and then she goes into this scene there were a couple of things obviously like you said there's going to be an issue between Whitney and Heather and we're kind of seeing almost it's kind of funny to watch it juxtaposed to Lisa and Meredith yeah where Heather and Whitney were so close early on and then they had the falling out and Whitney's you know for what Whitney is we kind of have accepted what Whitney is she's not you know the brightest bulb out there but she owns it and she does her own thing we always know where she's coming from she pretty much wears her emotions on her sleeve and if she has a problem with something she

always says it right away for better or for worse that's fine but the way that whitney or the way that heather was talking to Whitney it was like Heather expected them to be best friends again like I can share my intimate details and emotions with you and you'll understand where I'm coming from and that's just he's a little more guarded so she starts talking about angie k and she's like yeah Angie k had all those rumors and like I just don't understand I don't think she's good for you as a friend I don't think that you know you might like her right now she might be fun right now until she's not and it's like Heather shut up Just like, it's okay if you have an issue with Angie, you can just plainly say, well, I'm not really, you know, I'm a little skeptical to get back into a friendship with Angie because of what she said last year.

Maybe Whitney wouldn't understand that. Maybe she would. Who knows? But then to push your opinion on her and then go into Lisa's son going on a fucking mission trip. Calling her a bad Mormon because she has a tequila company and this. Insane. Like, also, Heather, it's so hypocritical of you to sit there and say, well, you know, when I went on my first mission trip, I just went because one of my friends was going. And I didn't really understand it, but I just wanted to go.

And now you're talking about Lisa's son, who you genuinely know nothing about. You don't understand what he's doing. What Heather is doing by pushing her opinion on religion, on another person, is religion. That's all you're doing. You're trying to get somebody else to understand your beliefs. That's fucking religion, Heather.

So that's what I was about to say is, I think it's really funny that the person that wrote bad Mormon that is no longer part of the church talks to other people like she is the utmost expert on the matter and almost talks negatively about people that are still following the church to a certain extent like Lisa and her family

but not following it to a t and then she seems to take umbrage with the fact that they're not like 100% all in on the Mormon religion it's like well that's ironic considering she did the same thing with Monica too I know what do you mean kind of you're either all in or you're not hey what do you mean you're no longer a Mormon had it and also Look around the world. Like, look at everybody you know that's a Christian or a Catholic.

Are they fucking Bible thumping following it to the tea? No, people have their own interpretation of how they interact with God. And for somebody that left the church, wrote a book about the church, it seems pretty silly. She's getting a little preachy. Like, it's weird. It would be like if somebody stopped drinking for like a year and then has been drinking ever since then and would talk to me about sobriety. Right.

Something like that would be. really stupid to do. I would say it's like somebody who stopped drinking for like a couple of months would then start judging their friends and saying you shouldn't be drinking. Right. Yeah. That's kind of what I feel like that's what Heather is doing. Yeah.

It's just it's a weird move. You shouldn't just let people live their lives. Exactly. You know your life has been hard enough. Yeah. You wrote a book about it. Good for you. I'm happy that you were a bestseller.

I'm happy that you seem happier because you're removed from the church. Stop talking about the church all the time. I know you're in Utah, but stop bringing it up. You bring it up more than anybody who's actually in the church. so stop that's very well said the next scene we get meredith and set and i literally wrote set's a robot um they seem like they're doing well they always do i will say like their relationship always seems great their kids and their relationship like they seem like a very happy family we love to see that they started a podcast you listen to hanging on by a thread i'd listen to an

episode what do you think it's going to be like i don't know i might maybe we get a little bit more insight into Seth. Try to figure out. That you, like, loosens up a little bit. I don't know. Zach told us last year that Seth was hot. So, we, wait, we did this. Didn't he's, like, put it out to the audience?

I think we got some feedback that, yeah. People are like, Seth's attractive. Like, what, I don't, I don't get it. I'm not saying, he's, look, he's not an unattractive man. No. By any means, I'm not saying he's ugly. I just don't see the it factor. But, hey, look, if you're attracted to AI robots,

I would, I would listen to the podcast. I don't dislike Seth. I'm not trying to bash. the guy. But he's a robot. Anyway, they talk about the Trixie Motel, and Trixie Mattel, I believe, is opening the hotel. They're a drag queen. They're a very notable drag queen, I guess.

They opened this motel out in, where it was it, Palm Springs? I think it was Palm Springs. And we finally get the understanding of what the difference between a motel and a hotel is. Did you catch that? 2003, Dom Perron, and room service with a big menu. Yes. That is a hotel. Mary.

Yeah. Thank you, Mary. I'm holding every hotel motel to those standards now. Holidayan. Oh, hey now. Two episodes in a row, we're singing. Somebody commented. That should have been my rows.

I'll do that one next. That's a good one, yeah. But they're talking about the invite list, and Lisa is invited, so Meredith's already making good on trying to bridge that gap there. Monica gets the invite, the newbie, which is good, get her involved. I think that the easy thing here for Meredith's sake, just invite. the group. Yep.

Like you don't want to leave anybody out. I never understand when people get alienated on a housewife show. Yeah, it makes no sense. Everybody has to be there contractually, so make sure they're there. Just do that. But we go to Angie Kay's house with Sean. We get to meet Sean for the first time. Her hairstylist slash husband, I believe.

Yep. They met in the salon or whatever. But my first reaction, like now that she's like full time and we're getting like the behind the scenes with her and like her life at home. And I hope this changes. it seems extremely forced to me. Yeah. Every one of her scenes seems like she's trying to do the most.

I think it will. And I don't want to falter either. No. First time, like full time. Yep. But she is not. I don't think we got to see her family at all last year.

No, just her, right? Just her. And like, I'll be flat out on. She is not my favorite at all. I'm trying to give her some grace here to like, she doesn't bring anything to the table.

She tries to be too shady at like weird times. She tries to have like big one line. That's the, that's probably the biggest. red flag for I'm trying too hard is when you hear a lot of forced like ha ha moments and right they're not landing and they're not landing at all and I felt the same thing too when they when we were brought into her house and her daughter's playing with the dog the whole thing just seems super forced like all of her comments from

the kitchen she asked about the salad like 15 times yeah we got it we because there's too salt on the salad like no it's good all right but it's not too salty yeah we got no no it's a little bit why don't you sit down and eat this oh Lisa Barler's calling me I'll call it back later like okay whatever I think it's just growing pains. I think we can attribute it to that and we can move on. We don't have to... Yeah, we don't need to dive further into that.

I did think it's interesting that the talk that we get from Heather early on about the high school days with Angie is a very different outlook than Angie gives us. I believe Angie. I do too. Totally. But Heather says, you know, like we didn't get along that well. Like, we intermingled because our friends would kind of hang out. It's like I knew her, but like I thought she had natural curls, but it was a perm,

so I don't trust her, which is dumb. That's the stupidest thing ever. her. Angie says, yeah, like, Heather was, like, really witty, sarcastic, funny in high school. Like, we hung out a little bit. We always got along fine, I guess, but, like, I would love to be able to, like, mend whatever relationship we have and, like, move forward, blah, blah, blah, like, she talks pretty nicely about Heather, whereas Heather drags her. And again, she did say that she was scissoring Jen Shaw. So, like, I get that there's a little animosity there. But in light of this season, fresh powder, fresh start, all that nonsense. Yeah, you're not doing a fresh start with Angie. Yeah, give her a shot, I guess. I would imagine that somebody like Heather would understand and just kind of like laugh about it

because Jen Shaw's gone like everybody watching that last year was at the point of frustration where we wanted it to be what Angie was talking about like you and I talked about it before Angie even said it we're like oh yeah maybe they were doing a little bit of a scissor going on in the bedroom and somebody got kicked in the face it's a funny thing you can just throw it out there

you don't have to be that upset about it and it's one of those things that if she gets more upset about it and she keeps bringing it up we're going to be like well what the fuck happened Yeah. And then we're going to be caught into the goddamn black eye bullshit again, and I don't want to do it. Just let it go.

Understand that nobody cares anymore. Jen Shaw's gone. You can leave the black eye in the past and let's move on. Agreed. And move on, we shall, to Monica. And when this scene started out versus when it ended, I had a very different take. And she talks about her family moving from Boston to Salt Lake. Her mom got into the Mormon church when she was like five.

So she grew up Mormon. she got married Mormon, all that stuff. And when she talks about Brea Baby, which is her company, she makes swaddling blankets and crib blankets and things like that, my knee-jerk reaction, I'm like, she's going to talk about how like this business started as a hobby and now it's like Uber successful and like she's making millions off of this and that's bullshit because that's what I am used to.

Every housewife that starts a business, it's automatically super successful. We didn't get that. As she starts to talk through everything, she gets really emotional about her financial standing compared to the rest of the group. And I really, really appreciated this scene because she's so honest about the fact that she went to a Louis Vuitton store to buy a bag just to fit in. And she's embarrassed about that because that's not her. And she feels that in her whole life, she's never been this person.

But now she has all of these insecurities. She doesn't want them to make fun of her small house. She doesn't want them to look down on her because, and this was the line that stuck out the most, she says, I'm at home self-packaging. Like the self-awareness here to be like, I'm trying my best, I'm out of my own now, I got divorced from my husband, I'm trying to build something for myself, it's going fine, I'm trying to make it into something more, I'm doing my own packaging, I'm not rolling in it like the rest of these women, and that makes me feel insecure.

Love that. Yeah, the self-awareness, and I fully appreciated the scene too, because I think that's something we never really get in these shows. No, no, no. Yeah, we kind of got it in Jersey when Danielle was talking about. talking about her house, but Danielle is such a powerful presence. Right. She starts talking immediately about how she doesn't give a shit.

Right. Monica being vulnerable and talking about this, that's a very real moment. Like, when you think about it, she goes to a Louis Vuitton store just to buy a bag for this trip. Yep. Because she knows that somebody's going to compliment the bag, and she's going to feel really good about that. But then she might feel like shit afterwards because she spent money that she doesn't necessarily have. And that's going to be a tough situation to be in. I think, and I want to see this pan out a little bit more, but I do think that,

eventually she's going to kind of cut that whole scheme out, if you will, where she just stops caring and she goes back to being herself. Because I think we get a little bit of that a little bit later when she's talking about the rings, not having a jeweler. I think that she's going to be unapologetically herself by the end of the season. And I think we're going to appreciate where we started. We get to start with this. She had a moment of weakness.

Maybe she had a couple of weeks of weakness just trying to like find her way through this group. But if you find somebody like Heather doesn't care really, Heather might talk behind your back. But Heather doesn't care up front. You might have somebody to talk to. I don't think that Meredith would really care of Meredith's woman, a few words sometimes. So it's... Few words, lots of faces.

It'll depend on the relationships who she makes friends with, but I'm not really sure who she's going to make friends with so far. We'll see. I think her and Whitney could probably hit it off. I see her and Whitney either being great friends or... Yeah, or Monica hates Whitney. And Whitney doesn't understand why Monica hates her, so then she hates Monica. That would probably make the most sense to make.

But I did appreciate it, and it gives us a little bit more. background on Monica. Yeah, it was a good scene. But from there, we get an Angie and Whitney double date, which was awkward as hell the entire time. The husbands don't know what to talk about. I hated this. This was really uncomfortable.

And at first, I had an issue with Sean wearing a hat at the table until they cut to the bed scene, and my man's bald. So, hey, do what you got to do. Appreciate that. Bald hairdresser. Yeah, you look good. Hey, hey, no shade. I wasn't saying anything.

I just pointed out. Just state me obvious. But as they're talking, this is the first, and we've seen like scenes from this season. And it's going to come up that Whitney's having some marital problems. Yeah. That's coming up later in the season. So this is the first inkling we get of it because Justin's wearing a communication crystal around his neck to help improve the communication between him and his wife, Whitney. Now, I know what this seems about.

It's to set it up. So we get the setup for them having marital issues throughout this whole season. this is the first time that she takes ownership of her being a bad communicator because Justin's like she says what both of us have a hard time. Both of us have a hard time communicating and sometimes I think I say things and I don't. I'm like that tracks and Justin's like wow, that's great communication honey. Thank you so much. That's the first time that you've actually admitted

ownership to that. And we find out that Angie's not invited to the girls trip which again Meredith just invite everybody. And that makes even less If it was a Heather trip, okay, I get why Angie Kay is not invited. Angie Kay is a full-time cast member now. I don't know what Meredith's beef with Angie Kay is. Why is she not coming to the thing? No idea. We missed something.

I don't think so. Our listeners are going to tell us we did. Look, you can tell us that we missed a lot of things on a lot of shows. This is a show that we've been watching, so I don't think we did. I really don't. But moving on, this is when we get Heather and Monica and they're shopping, getting ready for Palm Springs. It's Monica's first girl's trip. None of these new cast members have been on.

I know, right? It's really funny. Look, I've never been on a girl's trip. Neither have I. But I'm just saying, like, I don't want to be invited, but I'm just saying. No, but like, we're also not girls. So why would we have gone? We talk about Bravo.

Maybe we can get invited. We, oh, we actually might be able to go on a girls trip. I don't want to, again. Well, maybe we can. Maybe we can. How do you know? Listeners, send us emails, invite us on girls trips. Oh, wait a minute.

I like this idea. You send us your picture perfect girls trip that you would invite Shooter and I to. I want to hear the, give us a, an itinerary for day one. Preferably golf. Yeah. We'll golf with you. We'll golf with,

but you have an itinerary. We'll see, and we'll pick our favorite girl's trip. I like this, but they're talking about Palm Springs and Heather is much more blunt with Monica about why she doesn't like Angie Kate. And I feel like Heather does herself a disservice a lot.

Yeah. By talking to people that either, one, her relationship's not that strong with, such as Whitney, or two, it's a new relationship, and you decide to divulge, your feelings entirely about other people. Monica is going to form her own opinion about Angie Kay.

If Monica finds out that she, in fact, likes Angie Kay, Monica's going to tell Angie Kay when you were talking all this shit. I don't know, though, because Monica's already been pretty straightforward, at least with us, in her confessional, about how she knows a lot about all these women. Oh, I know that. She might not like Angie Kay. I didn't get the vibe from the first episode that she likes Angie Kay.

I'm not saying she does. I'm saying, this is an objective stance. as like if these she stills too much and she gives people dirt unintentionally yes where like you don't need to offer up this info be just in case i think the way heather does it is that she's trying to communicate and maybe connect connect and heather's trying to make friends and she realizes like well the whitney thing's not really working out too well i'm friends with meredith you know lisa barlow doesn't really want to tell me about her son's mission trip there's something going on there i don't really know what's up angie k obviously that's a lost cause so let me try

to make friends with monica she's a new person now and i can kind of take her under my Make friends and friendships by other means not talking shit. It's going to get you in trouble. It's just a personality thing, I think. But Monica divulges some information to us. Oh, boy, did she. I let out an audible, ordeal, audible, I let out an audible, an audible, an audible, that's what Otter spoke out of. Yeah, it's going to say eat food, but sure.

Oh, yeah, eat food. Monica lets us in on what happened with her husband, and I let out an audible, oh my God, she was hooking up with her brother-in-law for 18 months. Yep. And make it even worse? I don't know if it's worse. It's her brother's sister's husband.

Yeah. Like, that's a lot of, a lot. I think, no, I think that's not worse. I do not think the brother's brother's worse. Brother's brother will be way worse, I think. Okay. I just now at least it's not like the same blood it's marital I don't know dude it's like all right let's put it in terms of Ralph so we've got Ralph and Courtney right if Courtney was

Drew's now I don't want to do this I really don't want to do this I don't do this either nope look it's just fucked up regardless it is at least again she's open about it she's honest about it she shares with us and that's why she was excommunicated from the church she went to her bishop and said I need to get something off my chest father or whatever they call the Mormon people the more the more man she went to the more man I've been unfaithful let him in on all the secrets

hoping to be absolved of her sins she gets kicked out of the church her partner in crime he's cool her mistress her mistress her mans her mister is it just a mister is that what mister means maybe that's weird

That's her mister. That can't be right. That's her, her moorstress. This is, we're having a rough go with things, guys. Please tell us what's going on. I think it's a rough go. I think I'm nailing it. I'm very happy.

And I think that that, it's really funny. I mean, just, you know, juxtapose to what I know from Catholicism, you could take that same thing to penance and say five had a marys and a couple of, a couple of North's Paris and you're good. And you're fine. I don't know why he's Irish. I just, when I hear Catholic, I think Irish Catholic. That's fine.

But again, it gives us a little bit more info on Monica. I'm liking Monica thus far. I think she has a bright future. If she can, it's going to be. I don't know. I think it's kind of tough to like Monica after hearing that, though. Oh, I know. I think she's like, like, as far as what I've seen on the show, I like it, but we talk about

people's infidelities all the time. We're like, you're kind of a piece of shit. No, no, no, totally. Monica's kind of a piece of shit. But again, it goes back to like the Jen thing, whereas, like, I don't have an issue with Jen. She's up front and honest. Do I trust Jen? No.

Do I trust Monica? Am I saying she's a great person? No. But at the same time, people can grow and change. And at least, like, the thing for me with everybody on these casts, self-awareness and honesty are too big, like, awesome. And the fact that she's not, like, hiding behind it. Yeah.

And trying to spin a different narrative. She just flat out says, this is what happened. For sure. For sure. For better or worse, it's like, this is the info. And I like that. So I'm- Heather was literally floored. Like, she felt.

I was, too. Like, I was, I told you, I let it an oritable. Erdible. Herdable Armager Heather Heather went down right away and I love the

follow up line too where Monica says you thought you were a bad Mormon how about me Hey Hey all right good tie in

Yeah she's funny man It's funny and I think we're just kind of seeing You know removing the whole infidelity out of it

Because that's a bad thing It's deplorable It's awful Horrible on screen It's good to see some growth I like it I see growth But here's my thing

I think she's walking When I said I like her thus far I like her as a housewife Or a friend of Is she a full She's friend of She's a full houseman.

Full time. Okay. So I like her as a housewife. I think that she is going to take one of two paths. And I think she's on almost at the fork in the road. I think she's a chance to be very likable and relatable. Or I think she has a chance to be insufferable and a bad addition. And I think that I've seen both evidence of both.

And that's when they're in the sprinter van on the way from the airport after Lisa loses her $60,000. $1,000 ring. Nothing got flushed. No, it didn't. Somebody found it and put in their pocket. No, no, she flushed it. I'm fully convinced she said she was pulling her jeans back up and it fell off. I think it went right in the toilet and it flush.

It's Palm Springs, so it's definitely automatic toilet. It has to be. Not the Dallas airport where half the toilets don't work. Well, the Dallas toilet is in the cowboy store. We know that. Yeah, I post it every time I go down it. But when they're on the sprinter van, Lisa is going over the value of the ring and she's so upset that she lost the ring and she calls her jeweler to replace it.

Monica's giving little one-liners of, like, I don't have a jeweler, like, and not belittling herself, but just speaking from a place of, like, I don't have the money you guys do. And there's two sides to it. There's one side where I'm like, ha, ha, I like that you're being honest about this. I didn't really care for it.

The other side of it is you're not coming off great. Yeah. It's not Lisa's fault that she does well. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I, there's, I hate when people talk down to people that have money. On the flip side, I do not care for people that want to talk shit to someone just

because, like, Lisa's not, you know Lisa. She's not wanting it intentionally. I think she might have been. She said $60,000 like seven times. Oh, well, maybe then. You know what? Like, if you say it once in like a panic or twice maybe and you're looking for it and you're like, fuck, like that's a lot of money and somebody asks and you answer,

that's fine. But now we're in the sprinter van and it's like 20 minutes later. And yes, you're still freaking out and you're talking about calling your jeweler. You don't need to keep saying that it was a $60,000 ring. She says it like three or four times in a row. I agree with that. So it does get to the point where you're like, all right, we fucking get it. You got money.

Relax. Maybe it's this. Maybe. I think I just talked myself into this, actually, right now. I think I'm fine with it. I get where she's coming from. Yeah. And it's warranted, but it's not the best look.

Right. How about that? Okay. Do we agree on that? We can agree. It doesn't make her look great, but I get where she's coming from. For the sake of the birds, we can agree. The sake of the birds, we can agree.

Yeah. And we'll wrap this up. Mary, Mary had a couple of great moments here, obviously, calling the tricksy, motel and asking for a very specific O3 bottle of Dom Paranyan. When they say they don't have that, she says they don't have Dom. The eyes popped out of her head. Love that.

She was, like, baffled. But at the same time, they didn't say they don't have Dom. They don't have O3 Dom. I don't think they have any Dom. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I don't think so.

It looks like they're going to party down there. I would stay at that motel. I was going to say that the motel looked like a pink version of the one in Crappy League. I think that's insulting to the Trixie Motel a little bit. Maybe a little bit. I think that they put a lot of time and effort into this motel. Possibly. And they just now redid the Crappy Lake Motel.

Yeah. The, wow. I think you might. Anyway, I will say that I like, and I'm going to continue to like, and then that wraps up the episode. But Mary's so great simply because when Lisa is talking about the $60,000 ring, we're all thinking the same. same thing. Like 60, that's all, I mean, come on. That's a lot of money for a ring. And Mary's like, that ring's not worth $60,000. I'm like, thank you, Mary. It's not. It's probably worth like 35 and you valued it at 60 with your insurance, which is what everybody does. And it's

okay. Don't tell everybody that it's a $60,000 ring. And don't, don't, don't, 15 times. Don't double, triple quadruple, emphasize it. Look, love Lisa. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. All right. She got back to us, by the way. She left me on red. It's all that. And I was a little upset. I was going to take one or two directions. I was either going to be sarcastic. Instead, I went with, you know, they say that you get more bees with honey than vinegar. So I said, even though you left this on red, we still love you. And she responded and said that her next few weeks are nuts, but we'll be in touch. All right. Let me get her on. Also, one last Mary comment when Monica offered Lisa some chips and she reached over and gave her a chip. Don't,

don't do that. Don't do that. Don't get chip crumbs on me. I don't like crumbs. I don't want crumbs. Fair enough, Mary. You're right. You're right. You're right. You know what, Mary? Nobody likes crumbs. You are right. Just ask Dev. She's just speaking for all of us. Because I cook in the kitchen, you know, for like bodybuilders or whatever.

Well, like the floor is, we have the final plank flooring, which is fantastic, by the way. It looks like hardwoods, but water resistant and easy to clean. But when little crumbs get on them, then you step on them, like you can really feel the crumbs. And so it like drives her crazy. And she's going to kill me for saying this. But she gets down. she's not like we own a vacuum we own a full size broom

Dev loves her dustpan and brush she just goes around individual crumbs she will get on the floor on all fours it's not a bad way to do it it's a very effective yeah very effective it's just like she'll she's gonna fucking murder me but she will call me like on the phone or I'll call

her like when I'm leaving the gym to like check in and I'm like what's up and you just hear I'm clearly on speaker and I hear what I'm like dude put it down for two seconds. She's like, I can't put it down because he cooked all this food. You didn't sweep the floor.

And I'm like, you're right. But I'm just called a check-in. I always hear your days go, I'll talk to you later. I'm like, okay, bye. But here we go with some questiones. This is a going because we just talked about this before the show from Shana Draper 27. Are you related to Don Draper? Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. What do you think? of the Rooney Reunion Seating Chart, aka Bravo's Power Rankings. Nice job, that way to shoehorn in Power Rankings. Yeah, that's a pretty good way to shoehorn in the Power Rankings. Oh, we've got like three questions about that.

Yeah, right. I think we're okay with it, honestly. Steele and I kind of talk through it. For those of you that don't know, we've got Jessel and Aaron are sitting in the front, then we've got Bryn and Jenna in the middle, and we have Sai and Uber at the end. I talked to myself into it.

First, when I saw Jessel up front, I was questioning it. I'd like to think I talked to you into it, but... Yeah, yeah, probably. You'll talk to me into this. Fully talked me into this. And, yeah, I agree with it. I think it's fine. Yeah, because Aaron and Jessel have been involved in most of the shit this season.

I think that Aaron's taken the most shit, and I think that Jessel's put her foot in her mouth the most. Jenna is in the middle because you just can't put Jenna at the end. I don't think... That's what I was thinking, too. If you put Jenna at the end. end she's not going to talk the entire time right so i'm in between thinking like yeah if you put it in the middle you might get a little bit more out of her maybe she's a little more comfortable i might even say put jena all the way up front and shuffle her with jessel and then put brin

next to erin maybe just to make jenna talk more because if she's next to andy she's going to have to talk more if she's on the end she's not going to offer a word brin at the end we'll still talk yes and sigh for me well i think she's an integral part of this cast and i think she's done a great job this year as far as substance like involved in the shit going on like she will start shit as far as leaving the party

and stuff. Yeah. But she doesn't give a shit. So I think it's, I don't know, that's where I'm like, yeah, she can sit on the end. I don't think that it's a I think and then we can move on. You could interchange a lot of them and it's still I think that's the main thing.

You know what I mean? It's still, it's so early on. I think that like you said wherever you put Brin, she's going to talk. so wouldn't mind brand being on the end just so you have more people closer so they'll talk a little bit more. You could literally mix it up however you want and I wouldn't have an issue with it. Up next, last one actually.

From A.J. Talarico. Thoughts on the Winterhouse trailer and we actually got a, someone asked us a question about this last week. And I'm gonna answer exactly what I said in the comment. What do you think of the cast? I like a lot of the people on the cast on their own respective shows.

We have yet to witness a winterhouse season that we've been wowed by or even like overly entertained by. So that's where we are as far as like, yeah. It's tough when a show is six episodes long and we think it's too long. Right. Like, you know what I mean? Like, can I get it? Like, it's a place filler.

It gives these people something to do in the off season, if you will, and you wanted to throw it out there during like a non-busy time, sure. Episode one and two is usually enjoyable because it's like, oh, this is different. It's funny to see these people like party for a little bit. And then after that, I'm like, I don't care. Yeah. The drama's not going to continue.

Yeah, like, Lindsay and Carl aren't going to be there. You're just going to get Kyle and Amanda, who seem fine because they're actually married and they're good. It's interesting to see a little bit, but he's not going to give you that much. And then the new people are always question marks, but it's so hard for a new person to thrive on a show like that because for the most part, they're just looking to hook up. Yeah. And then they get shacked up with Corey or whoever. It's just. Yeah, Corey's still with Sam, but I don't know.

I'm not looking forward to it. I don't really care for it as a show. Yeah, no, we're on the same boat. Actually, last one here, just because this is really funny. From RSC Gen 28, does Shooter ever have anything to add at the end of the show when you ask him? No. No, not yet. No, you really have.

Honestly, we sit here for like an hour and a half. We talk it all out. So by the end, when I ask him, he's good. Because we air out all of our grievances. We certainly do. Although I will have something to add, I am bricked up for the birds, baby. Bringing it back. I am too.

We're both here bricked up. it's birds day we're not going to keep you guys any longer follow us on our socials at brav underscore bros and youtube at brav bros podcast and keep an eye out for a potential live show dot dot dot dot in a different location go birds anything else nope go birds Fly, Eagles fly on the road to victory. Fly, Eagles fight, score a touchdown, one, two, two, three. Hit a low, hit a hide, and watch our Eagles fly, Fly, Eagles fly on the road to victory.

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