Bros & Shows - A RHOSLC Finale To Remember (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

What's up Bros? What a finale. Cinema, pure cinema. The ladies finish up their trip to Mexico. They put together a Lisa Barlow lunch where everyone dresses up as the one and only Lisa Barlow. Things take a turn when Whitney takes a shot at Lisa via return rumors and it ends in a yelling match. Britani tries to play victim in the convo recording situation and storms off and Mary feels betrayed when Angie goes after her. She goes as far to say the friendship is over. We get to dinner and Angie and Mary have a very touching conversation that reveals how much they care for one another. Heather decides thats a good idea and convinces the whole group to read the worst texts they've sent about someone else in this group. The rest will go down in Housewives history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Conditions apply. Scotia Bank, you're richer than you think. I mean, leave it to the Salt Lake crew to give us potentially one of the best episodes ever. This is the second time in two years that they put themselves in the running. This was, I would argue that this was cinema. This was unbelievable. I told you before that I was rewatching Old Roney, like the prime. time housewives of all time this is the closest that we've ever gotten if not surpassed it it was

phenomenal top to bottom no notes the only thing i'm going to say my only qualm is it's over pros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows bros and shows bros and shows i got to have me my bros and shows good evening everybody and welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Roslick Goots. What's up, dude? I am still, like, my heart is pounding from that episode. Buzzing. What a fucking piece of work that was.

It was a piece of art. It was art. It was art. That's the only way to describe this. It was like a fucking supersized episode. We're giving you guys a supersized episode, but Bravo gave us probably the best episode of TV that I've ever seen. It was, like I said, in the beginning, no notes.

Like, I don't know how they could have made it better. You get a huge blowout at the end of it. You get people coming together, people falling apart. Like, it was just chef's kiss on what was already a fantastic season. They tied the bow on it so well. I mean, I thought that OC was a perfect season. They just won up them. Yeah.

And look, we could get more of the same if we just keep doing this. Leave, oh, that's my thing. leave Salt Lake alone. Well, what? Who might get out of prison? Oh, I did say that we need to talk about that on Instagram. I want to, we need to go back because you and I had a discussion about when she was actually going to get out of prison.

I think there was a bet involved, and there wasn't over under. Oh, do we have a prop bet? I think we have a prop bet, and I have no idea how to figure it out. I need to go back and figure out when the news dropped about her last sentence reducing. Oh, that's going to be tough to find. Yeah, I'll figure it out at some point. And I've got to go back through the archives, but we had some sort of bet, and it's getting really close now because Jen Shaw is reportedly getting out of prison even earlier now, slated for just before Thanksgiving, 2026. Yeah, here's my immediate take. No, I don't want her back on the show.

Yeah. I don't need her for reasons. Let's just keep it to the show, and then I'll do the obvious reasons. To the show, we don't need that force back where she's going to try to take over everything and be the HBIC. see, this crew has come together, we don't need it. Now, from the obvious standpoint, she fucked elderly people out of their life savings, their retirement. No, no, no, no. I actually am a person that believes if you are incarcerated and you serve your time, you should be able to get out

with a clean slate, that does not mean you deserve to be back in the public eye. Here's the thing, too, and I'll play devil's advocate because it could be fun to watch her get back. She's been out for, I guess this is the second full season that we've not had Jen Shaw. The women have grown, and this is one of those shows that we are smacked over the head time and time again to talk about how close they've gotten and how they're not letting outside influences affect them. They are, but they're going to talk about how it's not affecting them. Jen Shaw trying to get back into this group with how the stature of everybody has changed, where there is, yeah, you could say Lisa,

Barlow is the HBIC but everybody works really well together the show works so well it's fucking humming yes it could be kind of funny to watch Jen come back to this and be like oh I'm Jen Shaw I deserve to be here not long no it would wear a season maybe unless she just kind of takes it which she's not going to maybe she's a new person maybe she's changed again it's this double edge sort of I do firmly believe if you are sentenced to do a certain amount of time and you do your time you should be able to reenter society and prove that you're not a piece of shit and get your life back together i believe in that truly that's what the whole system is set up to do is to rehabilitate so should she be allowed to go and prove that she's not a total

piece of shit yes should she do that on national television absolutely not in my opinion and from a show standpoint we don't need her we don't we do not need her back banging down the doors of bravo to try to get in she'd be camped out in front of the network she i mean let's It's not like she doesn't have TV. She knows that this is the best Bravo show right now. That and also, she 100% needs the money. Uh-huh. So it's a double-edged sword there as well.

But, yeah, I think that it would cause a huge uproar because the difference, you know, a lot of people like to throw Teresa into the mix here. And we're not Teresa fans, but at the same time, I will say, whatever, dude, don't even try that. What the difference is with Teresa is, you know, that was tax fraud. She's up against the government. not fucking people out of their money. That's the staunch difference between these two. So it's not the same thing to bring Teresa back after she serves her time as it is to bring back Jen Shaw, who also, by the way, got an extremely lenient sentence and then got

like three years taken off of that sentence. So yeah, no. So far. I think she'll be back by Thanksgiving this year. Yeah, honestly. Like, we'll see her in two months. Like, the start of filming, she's going to be camped out. We're going to get a report that filming is delayed on Ross.

Like, we're going to be kicking ourselves. Like, oh, no. Why? Why are we delaying? What's going on next day? Jen Shaw is actually immediately being released. Yep, probably. And like the funny thing is, when I put that out on our story, I said, we need to chat, bros, because that was, it was Jen Shaw being released early before Thanksgiving next year. And there were quite a few people that responded, yes, like implying bring her back. I challenge all of you to really think about it that are happy that she may return and think about what it looks like after three episodes.

You might think it's fun and wacky after a few episodes. I have an idea. Oh, God. So she's slated to get released, but they already started filming. Maybe like episode 10, it's Jen Shaw's out. We have a couple of lunches and a couple of breakfast just to see how she is. She's a friend of, not a real housewife. No. Yeah, and you're fully against it.

I could be talked into it, for sure. I had a feeling. Yeah. Can you tell? I had a feeling that you might be on the other side of this a little bit. Yeah, I could be. Yeah, because. I just want to see what it looks like.

I just don't think that it's needed, and I think that rewarding her, she's already been rewarded. You got less time in prison. But what if she's not rewarded? What if everybody just rags on her the whole time? I don't see a situation where she comes in and doesn't continue to try to hijack everything.

What if it doesn't work? She just knocked down even more pegs. I don't need it. I don't need it. I know. Like I said, she can go live her life. Fuck off.

I see what you're doing. She'll disregard our fans. If our fans want her back, I want her back. Oh, you're going to play that card? He said that people responded and said yes. Dude, don't play that card. Just saying?

That's like pulling out the best friend card to get me to do something stupid. That's not fair. Well, I do think by the end of this, I have a text prepared for you. Oh, mean text about Steele. We shouldn't go through, but the meanest things I've said about you, I text to you. I know. And we both laugh. I was going to make one up.

Do you want to hear what it was? Yeah. So I texted my mom this. You did? Did you actually? Oh, I wish you did that part so you could make it. No, but I was going to preface it by saying, here's a text I sent to my mom.

And I'm going to read it. I don't want you to read it. Steele has been staring into the mirror for the last 10 minutes before our live show. I don't think he even knows that I'm here anymore, but he keeps fixing this one piece of hair that just won't sit right. I don't know if he's going to start jerking off to himself or if he's going to realize that I'm here and try to loop me into it. What's going on?

That's where I was going to go. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. And my favorite thing, when it comes to like mean things. that we say to one another is everyone so we've got a comment like i don't like how the one talks to the other one we've been giving each other shit for 17 years now like that's our relationship we talk a lot of shit and we both love each other so is it 17 years 20 fuck we're old man yeah dude it is 20 wow

i've known you more than half of my life how many podcasts do you know they could say that i'm not talking about those weird marriage ones hanging by a thread oh wait maybe keep it pertinent pal but uh let's get into ross slick finale because this is going to take a while. And thank God, because we just finished Potomac, it's officially our shortest episode ever. Yeah. It was a 37 minutes? It was 33 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Officially our shortest episode we've ever done because there's nothing to talk about, but we get to talk about an absolute banger right now. See what Salt Lake's production company does better than anybody else on Bravo. I would argue anybody else in reality TV. You know what my problem was,

though? What? This is the exact same way that the beginning of the season started. I'm okay with it. So I'm fine with it. But when I started the episode, I'm like, I'm not falling for this shit again. It's the first episode. It's the first episode. It happens every time. Oh, because they ran the same footage. It's just them sitting down at their confessional, but it's like a blank screen behind them and they're rolling things. And I'm like, oh, I'm not falling for this shit again. I'm like, wait a minute. This is the 16th episode. They're doing it again? All right, they're doing it again. Fine. They do a good job with these cinematic openings. And it's just pure chaos. And it's what we're about to see transpire. And we start out at breakfast. breakfast with Meredith looking dishevelled. She's got a sleep mask over one eye. She self-diagnose, scratched cornea. I don't know how you would know that. No idea. It looks to me like you had yourself a rough night and needed to keep.

Because here's the thing. Later on, when you're like at dinner and stuff, you would have an issue with your eye. It was scratched, yeah. You would be like... It says to me that you fell asleep with makeup on it. Maybe got a little mascara. Maybe that happened or maybe it was, you know, you're violently hungover. it's a great, great way.

It's almost foreshadowing for this episode because she just looks like such a mess and it was fucking hysterical. And Heather arrives and they had their little snafu at the end of the night, the night prior. And I was actually surprised that Marith is just flat out trying to apologize.

But to me, it was almost just because she's like, I can't do this right now. I'm sorry. That's how I took it to. I just thought that she did not want to even deal with it anymore. We still have such a long day ahead of us. us. I have a scratch cornea. There's bigger things going on here. Yeah, there's a lot. I yelled at Seth

on the phone for eight hours last night. That's why I looked like this. Got like no sleep. Everybody slept in. You know, I did too. I haven't been sleeping. I totally slept, guys. I'm actually sleeping right now. That's what this eye mask is for. Yeah. The right side of my face is resting. I'm going to flip it a little bit. Nobody's going to be able to tell. You guys won't know a thing. But we're going to a tribute lunch for Lisa Barlow, which was amazing. Everyone dresses as Lisa. Everyone is acting like their Lisa, and they get to lunch. My favorite thing about, like, housewives gimmicks is they all usually buy in fully, like this cast especially, even though they're not all, like, vibing with Lisa, they still buy in.

They get there, and Lisa's like, I've got a reservation for eight Listas, and the concierge is like, fuck. Okay. What the fuck? The poor concierge, the poor waiter. The waiter. The waiter was like, oh, my God. I love that.

It was legitimate. It was the Seagulls in Finding Nemo. Mine, what, what? I love that. I love that. Do you love that? And then Lisa starts buying into it, too. She's like, how do you feel about that?

Do you love that? I guess what? I loved that. I loved that. I could have watched that go for ten more minutes. It was perfect. And the fact that the waiter was standing there, like, Jesus, ladies, give me your order. I hate my job.

Like, it was a great, great scene. I ranked some impersonations. I gave Bronwyn a six out of ten. Fair. Heather is seven. I thought Angie was the best eight and a half. Yeah. And then Whitney close behind at an eight.

Yeah. That was my ranking. I didn't rank. Yeah, Whitney's. Whitney's was very on the news. Was very good. Yeah. And then she turned it into something else, which, you know what?

I don't really like a lot of the stuff that Whitney does. But if you're going to do this and then take a dig, I'm into it. Especially, I'm with it. She, the fact that it was prop work that she needed to set up and have somebody bite and it worked. Because she's walking away from the table intentionally with the tag. hanging out, and Lisa calls it. And I was like, wow, that may not have happened that way. So Lisa calls it out, well...

Well, do you think that she's... I mean, I think she is also sending that shirt back. Oh, no. She's 100% left the tags on intentionally. And I actually appreciated that it worked, and Lisa calls it out. She goes, well, that can't be me because there's tags on it. And Whitney immediately is like, well, you know, there's been rumors for years that you return your clothes.

And I just, the quantities and the way that these women argue about certain things, Lisa Barlow in particular. I have two full closets. You want to see my fucking closets? I'll show you my goddamn closets. Everything that I've ever worn that I've ever taken a picture and I have it.

Yeah, but she does. I know. And she probably has a selfie to prove it. And she goes like, what are you implying? The implication is that you're fake. And the thing about Whitney, why is she such a conundrum to me,

is in certain moments, I don't know if it's luck or what, but she does get it right. Like you're in friendships that serve you. I'm like, I love Lisa Barlow, but that is a thing, right? She says you always make things about yourself. That is always true. Lisa's always about herself.

That's partly why everybody loves her because she is so Lisa Barlow. And she counters with your guts off, you're leaking. Take a probiotic. And I was like, and that's why we love you, Lisa. What a comeback. Yeah. Just unbelievable comeback in the entire thing, just gets scrapped immediately. Yep.

As soon as we start this, it ends. It was fun for a little bit, but now we've got to take a dig at Lisa. We were having a good time. It doesn't matter with the Lisa lunch. Who cares? Yep. We're having a good time. And then Whitney takes it over the top and she starts yelling.

You'll never be as ethical as me. You'll never sell as many companies as me. I'm like, this is oddly specific of what's going on. And then Lisa legit, like, stands up and lunges a little bit at Whitney and starts going in on her. And this is when I started to lean towards Lisa's side a little bit because she's like, you've lied about everything I fucking care about. And I'm like, you know what? She has.

She really has. with no proof, might I add. Like, she loves to throw, we've seen this for years. Whitney loves to throw things at the wall that she, quote, unquote, has evidence for, but the evidence is usually talking to a third party that spread a further rumor. It's just so funny that that's how it works in this group, too, because you have Whitney doing that, and they're all getting the same information. How many times have we heard, we have people DMing us all the time?

Yep. Everybody says it, but they all handle it differently. Some of them just flat out ignore it, which is probably the best way to do it. Yes. Whitney reads it and takes it for Bible. Everything. And then brings it up immediately with zero backup proof. Her backup proof is contacting somebody on the content side of things.

Now doing damage control. Who's been doing damage control, claiming that bad... Oh, I meant like in this moment in the season. Oh, yeah. Yeah, doing damage control with other people. But then they have Meredith, who does her homework. Yes. Who will save certain things and then probably reach out to other people to see if it's true.

And then might use it if she needs. too. Yeah, but still, you could argue, is the same thing just better executed, which is still snaky and slimy. Yeah, but Meredith can't be bothered with that right now. No, she doesn't have time for it. She's done. She is done with this trip. She's fed up. She just switched her her eye mask over the other eyes, so she's, she's dosed. But Whitney's claiming, like, you did the same thing to me, Lisa, this is also about the Alibaba stuff. Again, alluding to the content creator, but again, unconfirmed. Yeah, we have no evidence to that. And we've seen the scene. That's, that's what drives me nuts. I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait.

I'm going to wait. Yeah, just wait till the other. I'm going to wait. Brittany decides to crawl up Lisa's ass and defender, and that's when Mary jumps in and says, I don't know what you're chiming in for, Brittany. Everyone seemed to have forgotten that you filmed all of us yesterday.

Yeah, which sends everybody into a frenzy, which is incredible. Fucking spin. Yeah, we did forget about that because she cried. Yeah, and then whoo spin zone out of nowhere, and Britney's pissed. Yeah, Britney's livid, and her argument is you all did the same thing. No, they didn't.

She's like, Mary, you filmed outside of the window. She was doing what you claim to be doing. I'm trying to one of your 17 excuses. I wanted to get the scenery. Mary was probably getting the scenery. You're not going to hear the conversation if there's wind whipping on the microphone of her sticking her phone out the door.

That's a different thing. And for you to try to bring Mary down to your level of recording secret conversations is ridiculous. And she loses her shit. She's like, you guys are torturing me. You're calling me vile. It's like, you fucked up, dude. You did this to yourself.

And then, yes, was the reaction a little strong? Sure, fine, whatever, maybe. I didn't even think it was. I was Team Mary when they freaked out. It's like, no, you deserve to know that this was a stupid move, especially because you continue to lie about it over and over and over again. And she says to Meredith, I'll never recover from that. I think you already did, and you just found an opportunity to make it about yourself again.

So now we're going to ramp it up. Yeah, that's how we're going to ramp it up. And also, Brittany, don't go deeper on this. You got trashed yesterday. Yes. You just need to say, all right, fine. guys, sit down. Just, just stop talking. If you keep continuing to talk about what they said the day before, you're going to get yourself all worked up and then you're going to start crying

and you're going to have to do the whole thing over again. You could have just moved on. You didn't have to say anything. Just sat there and said, you know what? I kind of got away with something yesterday because I cried. Nobody's talking to me, but it's okay. I don't have to deal with it anymore. Instead, you're going to get it all going again. Because she needs to have the attention on her she needs the attention and that rings true when her final thing at the table is like i guess i have no friends like oh wo is me pity party like shut up she gets up and leaves and people go after and that's the thing so this is when it gets a little dodgy because angie gets up to go after her and make sure she's okay mary does not care for that because she's gotten really close to angie

and angie knows that mary doesn't like brittany and vice versa yeah so she felt a certain way about the way Mary's right. Mary's right. Nobody should go after her. Absolutely not. Let her go. Definitely. Let crazy go. Let crazy go be crazy. Yep. Right? There's no reason to go try to reason with that. She's going to go call Jared. Like let her go talk to Jared. Seriously. We don't need that. I didn't even need her calling Jared and saying I'm calling

Jared. No, she was telling Siri to call Jared. Sorry if that just triggered your laptop. No, that didn't happen that time. It happens a lot. Not that time. But I understand why Mary's upset. I get it. I didn't think it was. grounds to end the friendship, but when she explains later, which will wait for that, it makes more sense. I also understand, Angie, we've talked about it before. Yeah, she's got a sharp tongue when she wants to. She can really drag people.

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don't feel bad for Brittany whatsoever. But when she sees this, she's like, no, no, this isn't worth it. Let me go over there and just settle things down. That's all she's doing. It's not that deep. Trying to keep the peace so they can move on through the day because she's nice. That's all. but I do understand when Mary explains it

why she had the reaction that she did but the group separates we got horseback riding and Peruvian Saviche making if you are not Privy or as Mia Thornton says Privy Privy to Peruvian cuisine my God do yourself

a favor. Poya al-Abrasa is one of the greatest things on the planet and they give you like this green sauce this yellow sauce and this yellow fried rice oh my god if you haven't had Peruvian food fucking go eat Peruvian food as soon as you also we can. The same goes for Ceviche. They treat fish so well in Peru. Anyway, back to the point. Where would you go? Are you horseback riding? Are you making Ceviche?

Probably Cevich. Same. So I figured that. But I do think it's interesting. And I'm not a big, I didn't ride a lot of horses. I've ridden a couple in my life, but I'm not like a horse guy. But I do know from watching, uh, what was a Black Beauty and, uh, is that Scarlet Johansson? That's the Horse Whisperer. That's the Horse Whisperer. Black Beauty is. the cartoon, right? The Disney? No, it's not a cartoon, is it? They might be a cartoon as well. I think there's an original cartoon. I think it's Black Beauty, yeah. I think there's also a

They remade it. Yeah. I don't know. That's not the point. The point is from my research in those movies, I have come to find out and also watching two seasons of Yellowstone. Okay, are we just naming things that horses are in now? Yes. That horses... Yes, that too. That will also work.

Yeah. And dragons. And dragons. Actually, you know what? Dragon's flying horse. Dragons are an even better example because if they don't fuck with you, they burn you alive. Yeah. These horses and horses in general from my research, if they don't vibe with the rider, if they feel a nervous energy, if they feel bad energy, tend to not like the rider. Okay. That's a thing. I know it took me a lot of again.

Is your research, by the way? Black Beauty. Okay. All right. Making sure. Yeah. House the dragon. Yeah.

And the horse whisper. What if you break the horse? That's a different thing. Yeah. But that, you know, I don't see any of these women holding on to a horse bearback. while it's trying to buck them off until the point that they're broken. Okay. What if they were a rodeo clown?

That I would pay to watch. I would pay to watch Housewives. All right, we're good. Yeah. We're fine. The point is, watching these horses all be kind of meh with their riders was really funny. They're all, like, doing circles and, like, kind of bucking a little bit. So that was my whole point to get there. All right, great. But the horseback riding crew goes to take a little dip in the ocean. They just dip their toesies in, and everyone just keeps repeating. It's lovely. This is so lovely.

I, lovely. and while they're doing that, Mary brings up the fact that she's done with Angie. Just flat out done. She knows how I feel about Brittany. I didn't like the fact that she went after her like that, and she feels betrayed. Now, obviously, just watching that reaction,

watching her reactions of the past when people kind of step out on her or do something she doesn't like, and she's so quick to be like, I'm out. There's more there. Everyone can recognize. Well, we're privy to it. They're not.

We're privy to it. That's going to be a thing now. Fuck. But you understand that there's something deeper with her relationships as to why she has these reactions when people seem to do things she doesn't like. But we find out much more about it later on when we get to dinner. And we're at Vodonte World Luxury Theme Park. Yes. Looks incredible.

So cool. Yeah. So fucking cool. Plus it just opened too because when they were greeted. It seemed like that was preview dinner. It was almost promotion. But at the dinner, Meredith and Angie are star. starting to move forward. The trajectory's been good for today. Let's hope we can keep this going

in my head. I'm like, this has to be foreshadowing. She's going to fall apart at some point. Big time. And Angie admits that, you know what? I've been holding a grudge about these rumors, but I'm willing to take her word for it. And if that doesn't show you that Angie's a better person than a lot of these people, I don't know what will. Because Meredith 100% perpetuated these rumors. There is no question about just go back and watch Angie. Clearly she was setting it up. You can lay the blame on Monica because everybody else is doing it. Correct. And it's a very easy target.

That's a good move. Meredith definitely perpetuated the rumors. Without a doubt. There are a lot of clips. And when clips are happening and we can see it, that means that there's more behind the scenes. So yeah, she's definitely pushing it forward. She's pushing it forward.

And it is what it is. But the fact that she can be like, you know what, whatever. And I'm sure that Angie's not dumb. Like, she knows. And she's like, we'll just move on. I'm fine with that. Angie asks, Mary, hey, you want to slice a little rony? A little ronie guy?

Come on, you love pepperoni. Everybody knows you love ronies. And she's like, cold shoulder. Not talking to her. And she's like, hey, what's going on? You seem to be ignored. And she's like, why are you not? You're ignoring me.

What's going on? Hey. What happened? And she's like, yeah, I am. And she goes into, early when Brittany went off, you went chasing after her. So you don't care about me at all. And Angie's like, immediate reaction was tears. And this, we've seen a lot of fake tears on these shells.

all right from housewives to vpr and tom sandoval to the bachelorette like we've watched a lot of fake crying we are experts on fake cry i like to think so yeah this was not fake she was genuinely upset about the possibility of losing her friendship with mary and she's like we spent months bonding i i thought that you said god brought us together i believe that as well and mary's like well maybe i was wrong maybe i was wrong about human i'm human maybe i was was wrong. And I was like, damn, dude. It's tough, harsh. And Angie's crying saying, I'm sorry, I love you. You changed my life. And I just wrote down, God damn it, Mary, stop making me cry. Yeah. I got, I shed a tear during the scene. I was like, oh my God, their friendship is so

special. Mary, she didn't mean it. Just you guys have to be okay. Unfortunately, I knew that they're still friends. So it's like, all right, they do get back together. I forgot about it in the moment. It was still really tough to watch. I know. I was like, guys, don't do this. heartbreaking everybody else i don't care you guys can tell you each other nobody else and thankfully like yeah i mean heather did chime in she's like mary really like come on yeah but i make an effort she kind of pushed her forward a little bit maybe and i appreciated that and that's where heather shines i know heather again this episode last season finale shining yeah she's just perfect she's a finisher she's a closer yeah abc always be closing always be closing yeah habc heather always be closing

hbc heather be closing there we go there we go there we go glad we got there we got there I was really worried I was going to keep going. It could have. I know. But Mary gets into it a little bit and talks about her parents. And this was heart-wrenching because she talks about her dad literally saying, I don't like her. And leaving, walks out the door, leaves her and her mom.

Her mom cut her out of her life at some point. And she has very serious abandonment issues. And in this point of her life, she doesn't want to feel that again. So what I did not know about Mary Cosby, what this season has. taught me because for the past few years that we've seen her, you know, she seems kind of checked out aloof, not paying attention, wacky, not with it. That couldn't be further from the truth. She is so self-aware, so intelligent, so articulate, the way that she breaks things down, she is on the nose with a lot of stuff. And with this, she's like, I recognize that I don't want

to feel that again. So when people, I feel betrayed by somebody, I just turn my back. It's not worth feeling like I felt with my parents leaving again. So I just turn the shoulder to them and I lead with abandonment. Yeah, it's absolutely insane too. And look, a lot of the viewers, the audience, we had to adjust to a new Mary Cosby this year. Yeah. We were not used to seeing her have a friend. No.

We saw her as a standalone person who came in and out over the first couple of seasons. Didn't really have time for it. Didn't have time for it. It was talking about her church a lot. Anytime that she was in like a one-on-one situation, she was mean. She would cut people off. and she would make a joke. And then that was pretty much it.

Then she would remove herself for episodes or a season or a season and come back later and act like nothing happened. So we're not used to any of that. So we were learning, okay, she has a friend. Like, this is actually kind of nice. It seems like it's a genuine friendship.

We had to work through that progression. And then we love them together because Mary was sharing more. She was going through a lot with Robert Jr. Now she's sharing so much more. I thought in the beginning of the conversation, she's going to share with the whole table what she's going through with Robert Jr.

Yep. No, there's more. There's so many more layers to Mary that we didn't know. So not only did we have to get used to her having a friend and acknowledging that as a genuine friendship, now it's like, holy shit, we're going to lose what we just got this year?

No way. Here's a deeper Mary Cosby. She's self-aware. She immediately acknowledges, I've got adult abandonment issues. That's a thing. This is why. And she shares at the whole table.

She doesn't mince any words, goes through the whole thing. Everybody's fucking crying. Everybody's upset. Same. Everybody thanks Mary for sharing all of that. And thank God. these two came back together.

Oh, I know. Because I was so scared. I couldn't handle it. Yeah. No, I couldn't handle that. I was feeling abandoned. Dude, I, same. Yeah.

I almost called you crying. Yeah. Come here. Come here. Come sit in the studio with me. I got a fire going. Come hang out with me. Let's record.

No, but what else this does is it leapfrogs us into one of the greatest moments in the history of this entire show. Look, this was not Heather's idea. We can all, I think, understand. This is a producer. producer move it is genius but it yeah and the way more more genius than the idea itself the transition the organic transition was unbelievable again same as last year and we did we had a lot of fun with last year where heather went off on a long speech about betrayal and friendship and getting right into the monica stuff this was different yeah this was off the cuff yeah she may have had

some time to think about it but she was presented with a beautiful opportunity to transition right into this game, if we want to call it. On a silver platter. It was unreal. The way that she spoke was unreal, and she got there so organically. I was so proud of Heather. Oh, me too. So proud of Heather.

It was beautiful, fluid. It was, I, you know what? I'm not even going to make a joke and say how many takes did this take? One. One. Yep. Because in my brain it had to take one because the reactions around the table, but she wants to clear the air.

Who wants to clear the air? She says that she announces it to the entire table. And people want to clear the air. And I think that this group needs. needs that. Because the way that she's talking about everything, and I think she gets into it again later, but in this group, because of the Monica Garcia stuff, they have become very, very wary about everything. Very guarded. Very guarded. And in a season and in a friend group where they should be supporting one another, they all constantly try to dig for shit. They want to dig for shit to prove that you're a bad friend, you're a bad friend, you're a bad business person. They always want to dig it up. Your marriage sucks. No, you're a marriage sucks. They go for very serious life-altering things. And it's not a bad point by Heather. It's like, why on earth after getting rid of Monica, would that be what we continue to do? Correct. Eluding that Monica was not necessarily the problem. Yes, she was an embodiment of the

problem. But the problem lies within us, too, ladies. So let's do this. We're going to clear the fucking air. And Meredith speaks up immediately and calls out Whitney for going after Lisa and the Ali Baba stuff. I'm like, okay, that's valid. because that is stupid that she contacted a podcaster and then we have to listen to a podcaster call her and, by the way, allude to Lisa

because he says she owns a liquor company and then he wants to backtrack and say, I didn't mean to do that. Get the fuck out of it. That's the damage control that I was talking about. So dumb. He's doing it in real time trying to contact any other housewife and we know for a fact,

allegedly. Allegedly. That he reached out to every single one of them. Allegedly factual. Please clear my name. I didn't do anything. Come on. dude, just fucking stay out of it. She was fine when she brought it up. I'm like, all right, cool. Yeah, let's get into that.

Until she goes, well, he contacted me as well. He's a friend of mine. I'm like, oh, you fucking snake. Here we go. Yeah, but yours is different. Yours is different. It's not a friend. No, he's a fucking content creator.

And he got it, by the way. You guys gave it to him in droves because, yeah. Well, she's like, her thing with Whitney is you never provided proof. like he said that he called me and said that Whitney enlisted him to do this and that he never provided any proof run the tape what does he say this person has a liquor company who do we all know that owns a liquor company in Salt Lake because it's all she talks about it's all she has anytime she has an event is Lisa Barlow immediately you're going to jump to Lisa everybody did everybody assume that's who he was talking about but the fact that Meredith uses this as her evidence

I'm like, that sucks. You're doing the same thing that Whitney's doing, just a little bit more in depth because you think it through a little bit more, but it's literally the same exact thing. It's painting you in a bad light. You're contacting bloggers as well. And also, we did this last year.

You got a scapegoat and Monica. He gets a scapegoat again this year. Everybody was about to get their pitchfork and go after Meredith. Because we knew what she was doing. She even said, I haven't caught up my DMs. We didn't talk about it afterwards because everybody was so hell bent on getting Monica. She gets out of this one, too. I know she gets out of it.

I don't know how. She's Meredith. Just don't know how. Now, unless everybody's sitting there, just understands that that's what Meredith's going to do. And it's just useless for us to go after her because she's going to find a way out of it or she's going to make an excuse or Lisa's going to get her out of it. That has to be the answer. When they bring up that we all need to read our text, our worst text we've ever sent and we'll get there in a minute. But I just want to point out, the only one that had a reaction was Meredith going, this is absurd.

I'm like, yeah, because you have the worst thing in there, probably. The only one who didn't go was Meredith. That's why I said she got out of it. I know. Now, we're going to get there. But Whitney takes it up a notch and says, no secret that you fed reality von t's information we're not even saying monica's name at this point just reality vanties it's like heather jumps and goes who the fuck told you that she i reached

out to monica it's like why whitney like you literally are talking to the least credible person in the world why if you want to reach out to her fine that's your prerogative it's a dumb move you're only going to get a bunch of bullshit but do you i don't care don't bring it up to the whole table trying to exonerate yourself with evidence that you got from Monica. She ran a burner account for the entirety of a season, and nobody knew. You're bringing up the antichrist right now. I literally wrote, that's so funny. I wrote, I reached out to Monica, in parentheses, Satan.

Yeah. Yeah, this is Satan to these people. And, like, I don't know why you thought this is a good move. And even Heather echoes that. Like, why would you think that this was the smart play? But she doubles down and goes, well, Monica claims that she has proof that Lisa fed some press to the blogs. We have actual proof of view feeding information.

to the press if you want to call it that yeah we watched it are we the press no god no i hope not but she's saying well you backed me into a corner if we run through all of the footage of ali baba and the shitstorm that this has been since milwaukee but go back through the footage i wish there was a montage of every time it got brought up with the ali baba stuff the only proof that she has is oh almost said his name oh oh said his name and that would have been a damn shame. Nice. Thank you.

That's your proof. That's not proof. That's hearsay. That's hearsay from somebody that's not denying it. So that's even less proof. You're not backed into a corner. You backed into a corner of your own volition

because you're so stuck on things. And that's Whitney's M.O. You get stuck on shit. You believe it to be true. I wish I lived in this world where if I think it's true, it is. That would be so lovely to just be like, nope, that's the truth because I believe it so.

We have too much sense, though. I would just panic. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, I would just get anxiety about that. That's the natural reaction. Yeah. Because you're just creating this big pile of shit that there's no way you're going to weed yourself out of unless you're Whitney and you don't see the pile of shit.

Yeah. She just never thinks two steps ahead. No. She actually thinks two steps backwards. Yes. Which is impossible. But that's Whitney. But she can do it.

That's Whitney. That's why we say anytime that she does anything that's like, oh, that's actually pretty good. It's dumb luck. That's what I don't even think it's dumb luck. She's just an enigma. Like, I don't think it's dumb luck. It's just sometimes she lands and sometimes she, most of the time she doesn't. But every once in a while, she lands the plane, you're like,

she only has, like, the ability to think one thing through, like, a month. And then it's like, holy shit. The rest of it is, like, you're thinking so backwards right now. Yeah, and, but you act like it's the greatest idea in the world. But Mary jumps in because we start getting fingers. She's pointing at, that, this is probably, like, one of my favorite parts, because Whitney points at least, she said, don't you fucking point at me. And then she double points.

She goes, don't you fucking point me. She goes, I'll point it you. Like, literally, like, don't, I, yeah. She even said, like, point one of those back at yourself. Yeah, point back at you. It's like, oh, my God. God, this is fucking amazing, but Mary jumps in. She's like, first off, you guys aren't the friendliest people.

Like, great, poor. Very fair. And she's like, who? That whole side of the fucking table, bro. Like, come on. Pretty much everybody, actually. Everybody, except for Angie, I would argue, is not the friendliest at this table. It is what it is.

But Heather, it's just, I don't know what it is about the last episode, but she is just on a different level because she's like, it's embarrassing that this guy. has access to both of you. Block him. Change your fucking number. It's insane that you guys entertain that bullshit. Whitney does call out what is actually true that Meredith, you did the same thing that I

did. It's like you did, Meredith, you literally did the same thing she did. You talked to a blogger. You claim he called you. You definitely called him. It is what it is. Meredith has a Meredith moment. Don't you dare put your dirty, vile behavior on me? No, bro. You talk to a blogger. Yeah. That's just what it is. The same behavior. Literally.

And I don't think you reached out to him to confirm what he was talking about for Lisa's sake. I don't think so either. We're trying to get similar dirt. Yep. And that's when you get the monologue from Heather. Look at us. We are obsessed with exposing each other. We need

to do something about this. We put our armor on every day to protect ourselves from the world. We shouldn't have to protect ourselves from each other. We need to fix this. Monica had her, this was scripted. Yes. This had to be for sure. She definitely wrote this down. I don't care because the delivery was fantastic. But

she's like, Monica had a burn book, and no, our burn books aren't curated and put in a crazy book. It's our phones. Everyone pull out your phone. We're going to do this. Which, again, planned, because the way that it worked, and we'll get into

what everybody said in a second, but the way that it worked was perfect. It was. Where one person said something about the other person, then it goes to another person. Nobody got doubled up on it. If this actually happened organically, I think there would be a couple about Brittany, probably a couple about Whitney.

And Bronwyn. And then a couple about Bronwyn. And then maybe like those people would return fire to just Lisa and just Meredith. Everybody has one about it. Would have probably been okay. There probably wouldn't have been anything and Mary could have still done what she did. Oh, Mary's. She didn't realize what was going on. Mary's was the most endearing, I thought.

Like it was, yes, it was hard to hear but at the same time. But we'll get into it right now. But she says let's find the worst. Like, the fact that it went as well as it did for as long as it did was surprising to me. I know. Yeah, the reactions were like, all right. I did have a feeling that Lisa was going to be the one that couldn't take it. I have two opinions about that.

I see both sides of the street there. But, again, the first reaction we get is Merritt Cohen. This is absurd. And I'm like, I would be nervous, too, if your phone's on fire. This is a burn book. The idea of Merritt is giving somebody their phone or her phone to go read it. Oh, no chance. She'd be like, what are you looking at?

Yeah, no shot. What else are you looking at? Don't scroll. Stay out of idea. Why are you scrolling? Stop scrolling. Fuck. Give me the phone.

Then she jumps into the ocean and just swims away. It's just too much there. Well, she's swimming away. She's like, this feels magical. Yeah. Lovely. This is lovely. We start out, Mary to Heather.

Mary hands the phone. Never felt accepted or included by her. Success changed her and threw it in our face instead of being grateful. Forgot the people who helped get her there who are proud of her, and I always will be proud of her, is the summation of it. Yeah. So this is a good one because it's like, look, I'm still proud of you. I feel like you lost your way a little bit.

You forgot about us. It's easy coming from Mary because. the things that we've seen Mary said. She said she looked inbred that last year. I know. And then you get this like really touching text where it's like, yeah. You got a little too big for your britches and you're a little too popular now. But don't forget the people that brought you there.

And we're still proud of you. And I still love you. It's like, whoa, Mary. Who knew you had it in you? And you know, Heather's, Heather's response in her confessional was, okay, I can see, you know, the version of her that Mary met originally was not her at her best. Yeah, she's changed a lot. Yeah.

She's changed. And yeah, you know what? she's had a whole lot of success. She's had two bestsellers, at least one best. I don't know if the second one was. Her business is booming. She's doing very well. She bought a new house.

Like, you name it. Like, she's really killing it. I'm sure she got lost a little bit along the way. And I'm also not expecting her to come out and just agree with Mary. I think she took it in stride. But what I think the biggest thing that comes from this is she heard what Mary said. That definitely resonated. And she's stuck by the game and goes, burnt, moving on, love you Mary, love you two.

Everything's good. Great. Awesome. Love that. One for one. perfect now Brittany fucking ruins everything she does every single thing this actually wasn't like a fun Brittany moment I was like just take it seriously I was like you know what good job let's just move on yeah like no you know what you're not taking up too much of our time yeah

I guess so it just for me it like belittles the whole experiment yeah and she's like this is the meanest thing you find out I want to get Bronwyn tea instead of having tea with Mary Mary's like good great you know what go with Bronwyn I don't want to be with you Mary would have said no anyway. Mary was glad that you didn't ask her to you. Like, that was not the assignment. And I know it's not the worst thing that you have in your phone. Go through Jared's text. Just go through Jared's

text and just see what you're saying. Yeah, awful things. You're either obsessed with them and want to be friends with them or you're ripping them apart. Yeah. Or like her move is just so crazy to me. And we saw it earlier in this episode. We've seen it before when a day passes and her entire stance on something shifts. We saw

before when Lisa called Jared and was talking shit to him and she was keying with Lisa like hell yeah girl power fuck the dudes like whatever that was a great moment then you fast forward to them after the zip lining and she's like you really could have cost me everything with Jared it's like all right psycho what are you talking about so she did that again but whatever we can move on from that we get to this text from Jared that says uh mary's looking great tonight yeah what's she up to tell mary said hi but up next is Bronwyn and she gives hers to brittany this was this was a little rough she said she's emotionally manipulative She trauma bonds with people intentionally.

She uses her kids. She's immature, acts under her age, and below her intelligence and maturity level. I thought that part was nice, actually. You're telling her that she's smarter than she's presenting. That was just a nicer way of saying she's immature and stupid. Like she fucking, that was tough. That was a tough one. But like spot the lie.

There is none. There is nothing. It was perfectly worded. And she does all of those things. Then we get a montage of her doing those things just to confirm it. Not that we needed it, but that was, I'm glad they did it. Brahman does say, and you can tell it's like with a gigantic

grain of salt. Like, if you want to do this, I'm ready to move. If, look, you don't have to. We don't have to move forward. I'm willing to give you empathy, but like we do not have to do this. She goes, no, I want it. I want to do it. I've been waiting to be friends with you for fucking 16 episodes. And if this is what it takes, I love you. Come over here and sit next to me.

I will come over and pick up your dog's poop. I'll bring wine. I'll do anything. Even though I'll get mad at you if you give me wine. My God. But Bronwyn says, I'm sorry. I would like to try. Brittany says. I would like to try to. She's elated. Now we get to arguably one of the meanest texts I've ever heard in my life.

It's by far the best thing I've ever seen. It was. One of the most vicious draggings I've ever heard in my life because it was so succinct, so personal, and yeah, let's get into it. So, Bronwyn seems nice, but she doesn't listen. I like her business plan. A husband with one foot in the grave one on a banana peel. That was my favorite.

But I like my better, self-made. She wears a hot dog suit to remind us she sucked her way to the top. So she just did. She attacked her marriage. She attacked her professional life, her finances, her fashion, and how she got to where she is. It's so fucking good. It's all encompassing. It is so goddamn good.

It was the best thing that I've ever heard my life. It was literally she attacked. But funniest, but best thing, and also the meanest thing I've ever heard. She literally covered every single facet of Bronwyn's life in one text message in one of the most well-worded shit-talking text I've ever heard. And it leaves Bronwyn shattered. Yeah. Rightfully so. Absolutely.

And like, I get it. I don't know how you were. I'm fucking awful to hear about yourself. I would be crying. And we know, obviously, after the conversation that she had with everybody about how she feels about her marriage and what's going on with Todd and all of that shit. I don't care. It is like, look, the whole guise of this is, it is supposed to be the meanest thing that you've said. And then wipe it clean.

Everybody does say, look, I did this in the heat of the moment. And Angie's reasoning behind it is, I thought I was going to be like a good friend to you. And I was going through a lot of shit with Lisa too. And then randomly, you just decided to just hop off without my team and just go right back at me. I was pissed. Yeah. I was pissed off. So fuck you.

But we're good now. You didn't realize how pissed off I was. Clean slate. Yeah. I need more context, too. I wanted to see, like, who'd she say that to? Oh, yeah, who was it, too? I don't know.

The only one. Last one, I have a theory with the Lisa thing that it was a text to Angie. And that's why Angie got involved. I have no fucking clue. But this one, I was like, who are you talking to? She did say it. I think Whitney says that she sent it to Angie. No, no.

There was no context at all. There was reasonably thinking there was no reason why Angie should have been brought into that except for to try to make her feel how Lisa felt to, like, give her an idea. But we'll get to that one. Let's just go on. sent it to. Maybe not to Angie, but none of them, Deb. Anyway, whatever. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of

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Condition supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. We keep going. Lisa to Meredith, and this is 100% a cop-out. Yeah. Meredith digs for info to web, it. It's dirty and I don't like it. Awful. Just awful. Angie points

out the obvious in a confession. Like, do you really expect us to believe that you, of all people, Lisa, that's the meanest thing you said about someone in this group? It wasn't even that. Angie pointed out that it was the meanest thing that she said about Meredith. Yeah. When two years ago, you called her a whore. A whore. A garbage whore.

Clearly, that's not even the meanest thing that you've said about Meredith. I know that you've said way mean or shit about Whitney, probably Heather, Bronwyn. Everybody at this table, you've probably... Literally, everybody. You're not playing the game right. I don't like that.

You're not honoring the code. Honor the code. Listen to what Angie just said about Bromwin for the love of God. Yeah, she fucking did it. That is probably the meanest thing in Angie's phone. I hope so. She played the game correctly. But I hope that's the meanest thing in her phone.

If she could do better than that, I wouldn't. I want to know. I don't want to fuck with Angie. Dude, why? I don't want to ever be on the other side of that. Geez, yeah, Greek mafia don't fuck around. Now we go to Heather. Heather to Whitney.

Because, you know, contentious relationship. They were close. Reasonable, yeah. The Arizona fallout. that we all remember. Whitney, my heart already hurts. All right, relax. Yeah, calm down.

She's a low life, thirsty piece of shit. She sold her soul for fame and recognition, and I'm carrying her wellness products, even though I never sold a fucking one. Damn, because you know that stings. You know that Whitney is trying very hard to get a business off the ground, to get her footing, and I would imagine that that really, really stuck right here.

Yeah, that definitely stung. And it's nothing really new. Obviously, it puts it into different words than we've seen before. But we've seen the two of them go at each other for years and their cousins. Yeah. They're family. They always somehow get back together when the start of the next season goes. And they always will.

But I think what made it more apparent to me why Heather was so fucked up about the Arizona thing, I think this goes back to her feeling inadequate and her feeling abandonment and stuff like that. Because when she says, if. felt like you were upgrading. It's like, oh, that's why it was such a visceral reaction there, and you were so upset. I mean, granted, she was saying a lot of fucked up things and brought you into it, but I was like, oh, wow,

like that's a big reaction. I'm like, okay, so you felt like she was abandoning you and upgrading they can do better and you felt lesser then, which is how you felt after you left the church in your life, blah, blah, blah. All right, makes total sense. Slate clean. Everything goes clean. You do a little handshake?

We're moving forward. A little hand hug is what they're having fun. A little hand hug. We're having a great time. Shit takes a turn. Because Whitney, Lisa, this is after I heard a rumor from a friend. It's not a mean rumor contest, Whitney. No, it's not.

This was bullshit. This was intentional. Okay. A woman approached me, Justin and I were at a party, and a woman approached us saying, if we want to have a threesome, she's your girl. In fact, Lisa Barlow and J.B. Husband boss can vouch for me because I was making out with Lisa Barlow while jerking off J.B. husband boss. This is very, very specific. Yeah. Very scathing.

Not a rumor. because somebody came up to you and said it. Rumor would have been from your podcasting friend. Sure. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, technically is still a rumor, but the thing is like, okay, fine. It's a very mean thing in a text.

Sure. You brought this up so that it gets out there. Yeah. That's why you brought this up. It's no secret. Now, at the same time, I think it would have done Lisa a whole lot of favors if she was able to take this in stride and just bite her lip until she gets to a confessional or until she gets back to a room and goes, fuck that.

That was way different. just to show that she could have held her composure. And again, I get it. I understand because that's a scathing indictment on your marriage, right? So I get why she loses her shit. I get why she goes after Whitney. It makes sense why she lost her shit. But no one else did.

That's my point. Look at Brahmin across the table. She's still shattered and crying. She's sobbing. But like she took it like a champ. And her marriage and fidelity has been called into question as well. So that's when shit starts to pop off because Lisa just, she loses her. shit. And out of nowhere, she goes, I don't know why you lied about me repeatedly. And I don't

know why you put that out there and points to Angie. I'm like, why are we pointing at Angie right now? Is Angie the third? I don't know. I'm like, well, God, dude. That's, I don't know. That's honestly what I thought. I was like, oh, is Angie the one behind the rumor? Like, why is Angie being drag against? That's what I didn't understand. My theory was that I guess she had seen the top of it and said, oh, you sent this text to Angie. And now Angie's involved somehow, but perhaps. I think was happening is it was just some sort of ass backwards way of trying to get support from Angie like trying to help and look Meredith she's a good friend right now but like she can't help you right now she's not paying attention she's not paying attention she is she's nervous about

the fact that she might have to show her phone yeah and she also has a scratch cornea yeah she can't see anything she was definitely just trying to get some support from Angie in that moment but she did it in the dumbest weirdest most misguided most Lisa Barlow way that she could have done it's like why are you me into this. I didn't fucking do anything. And look, when it started and Whitney started to read it, Heather was laughing. She put a napkin over her mouth. Angie was laughing. It's hard not to.

So it could also be like, I saw you laughing. Maybe it was like a little bit of an edit. And Angie was actually laughing a little bit more. And she's like, fuck you. I see you laughing over there. I'm bringing you into this. Could have been. No. It was a bad idea. It was awful. Yeah. It was not well executed at all. And that's when she really, the first thing she says, and

that maybe proves your point a little bit. what if this is about Sean? It's like, why are we talking about Sean again? He's had to do this already, all right? And that's what pissed me off more than anything because she then goes on to say, I heard Sean does circle jerks. I'm like, whoa.

She's like, well, if it's about me, it's okay, but if it's somebody else, it's a problem. I'm like, no, no, no. Angie went through this all season last year. It's a backwards idea. It doesn't make any sense. No, dude, at all. Like, Angie had to deal with this fallout

for a whole season last year about the Sean rumors. Like, she went through the gauntlet. She has gotten the other side. You just threw her back in by trying to relate, I guess. But also, if it's about you, it's okay, but if it's anybody else, you know, that's the other way around. Yeah. Listen to the rest of the table. They all just got skewered and had to handle it.

Now it's about you and it's not okay. And again, that's the opposite. Again, it's by far the worst thing that was set at the table because there's and infidelity and like all other wacky shit. I get it. Is it infidelity if you're, I don't know, actually, I guess, yeah. No, I guess not. It's called Mia.

Yeah, ask me a, no, let's not. Let's just not do that. But yeah, whatever, you're just, you're calling into question a lot, right? You're talking about the sex life and their marriage and other people being involved. And it's just a, it's a terrible look. So, yes, that was the worst thing that was said, but that just doubles down what I was saying. Like, if you were able to stay, even if you throw a little jab out there, but stay somewhat composed, it would have done you a lot of favors, get back to your room with Meredith and fucking ream her out,

go to confessional, go to the reunion and then take care of business there. You can just refuse to wipe the sleigh clean. That, like, I don't know. Just at the end, just be like, fuck you, Whitney, no. Yeah, we're not cool. We're not cool. We're not cool. We're not cool.

We're not cool. But instead, you decide to drag Angie and Sean into it. And not in a subtle back me up kind of way. In a, I know we got over this already and we haven't talked about in a while, but I heard Sean does circle jerks. It's like, well, that's fucked up. It seems like it was missing words. It's almost as if she should have said.

It would be as if somebody just. claimed that Sean went to go get circle jerks. Yeah. That's how I feel right now. So can you back me up? Like, you're missing so many words. Instead, you just say, Sean does circle jerks.

It's like, whoa. What the fuck? Like, why are you dragging this guy into it again? He went through the ringer. And she tries to explain it away because Angie stands up and I wrote down stray of the year.

Did Angie just catch the stray of the year? I believe so. And Angie gets up and throws a flower at her. And you know what? I'm not usually want to condone throwing things. Well deserved. Yeah.

You deserve this. flower in your head because that was fucked up and she's like that's what whitney's saying to me angie you don't get what i'm trying to do she said that to me why are you not on my team it's like ship has sailed so far gone dude but she's like why are you bringing me into this she's like it's her fault it's like how i don't know it all falls apart and mary hops up and defends angie she's like why would you bring her into this whole thing and and again lisa takes a weird approach because she's acting, and I will say for the last time, yes, hers is different. That text was different. Yeah. But she's acting like everybody else at the table didn't have something awful said about them. And they took it in stride. They were able to move forward from it. Everybody's upset. This was not an easy task. And Heather's like reiterating like, Lisa, this was the whole point of the exercise. You get to a confession. Lisa, I know I get the exercise. It's like, yeah, I think you did.

If you get it when other people are going through it, but not when you are. Yeah, exactly. So that's why I said earlier on, I get both sides. I understand the reaction. I just think it would have done her a lot of favors to stay chill or at least try to. But this is all Bronwyn has to see because we do know Bronwyn's marriage has been questioned by Lisa, by Meredith, that weird comment on the boat. And Meredith's like, oh, do you think it's because you're too guarded around him? And Lisa's a great question.

Todd's going to be so upset about this. You guys did the same game, just not in text form. So Bronwyn has a right to be upset about it. about it and she says Lisa's repulsive and I think this is a true statement that true colors are shining through right now and who wants to be friends and who wants to be narcissistic because at the table the people that are willing to grin and bear this shit and work through it I do believe them to be relatively nice people yeah okay I don't I love Lisa Barla I don't trust her Meredith is entertaining as shit definitely don't trust her they are both

little conniving and slimy sometimes so like yeah That actually makes a lot of sense. And when Bramon points out that other people's marriages have been brought up, but that's seemingly okay, but we can't talk about Lisa's marriage. That's too much of a problem. Meredith goes, I'm not going to do this, not doing it, and gets up and leaves. Causes a scene, gets up and leaves because she screams the table, nothing's okay with any of this.

You shall not pass, Sean. It gets up and bounces. But again, brings her foam with her. Alludes. Capture. Uh-huh. She does it two years in a row. She used Monica last year to not answer for the DMs,

and she used this... Hopefully, Andy sits her down and says, all right, you have to do yours now. I hope so. You didn't get to do yours. You didn't do it. You have to do it. She caused the scene and she left.

And, I mean, when Heather goes, this is the last way I went to end of the trip. It's like, you had to know that not everybody was going to pass the test. Yep. There was no way we got through this without somebody drawing blood. Yeah.

She's like, we're just going to get our stuff and we're going to go home. And everyone leaves the table. And it caps on. arguably one of the best, if not the best, Housewives finale of C? It was incredible. It's fun.

We don't even need to talk about, like, the little captures that come up on screen. I didn't even read them. I was, I read them. None of them. They were all just, like, little inside jokes from them. I'm sure we've got a lot of questions here. Let's get to some questions. We'll answer a bunch since this was such a good episode.

From M. Green, do you think Heather did the wrong thing in instigating the entire scenario? Absolutely not. He deserves a fucking Oscar. Yeah. no that was unbelievable she was what we needed to make this what it was HBC Heather B. Closing

From user 1937-49227281 You're an idiot I knew you're gonna do that Why I just knew you're gonna be like I'm gonna read the whole thing Yeah I am

Did you find Roslick as produced as I did That dinner was so produced I'll do that Who cares I'll do that Just take it for what it was It was fucking entertaining It was so entertaining

User 694 325674 I don't understand understand this either. There's a lot of weird ones in here. From Alda Nama real, do you think Heather will be asked back next season? Yes. Why would she not be? Yeah, absolutely. After that performance? Yeah. I mean, she had a solid season for the most part.

She had that, she's always good for a midseason lull. Heather is always good for midseason lull, but she came back strong. From Drew Blackwell Photo. Are you guys happy that Heather and Whitney made up? Will it last? Sure and no. This is season five? we've seen it five years in a row yes yes they'll make up yes they'll fall out again yep

correct correct correct correct what are you a cat what does the cat say when you got a question right correct uh from simply only now i'm going to have to alter this question but do you think lisa blew up at the end to prevent from revealing her nastiest text she already did i guess the question should be did she blow up at the end to prevent Meredith from having to release her nastiest text Nah, she just lost it, which, again, I mean, I get where she's coming from. So, you know, yeah, that was, that her reaction was genuine. You can say that some of that was produced, and I don't even care. They could have produced all of it.

I would still watch it 10 times more. But no, I thought her reaction was real. From Pat Kearns, which side are you on, Lisa or Angie? Angie. Angie. Yeah, I mean, how can you not be on Angie's side? What? Right.

In what, what? After the Sean thing, or just in general? right now, I guess. Angie. Yeah, still Angie. Yeah. Angie's my favorite on this show. I think that's the best part about this season overall, I think.

She finally got to the point where she's the center snowflake. And we watched the progression because in the beginning, both of us were like, what the fuck? You know how to hold the snowflake. Midway. Midseason, I'm like, hey, I'm starting to see it. The last, kind of goofy. The last quarter of this season, she just started to climb. And then after, I think it was, it was the bot mitzvab.

for me where she started to stand out and then she ties a bow on it with this episode one thousand percent center snowflake a lot of people are calling out the fact that it felt very scripted who cares yeah guys just take it for what it was seriously sometimes it's gonna be yeah was heather's monologue written down in practice probably did it land your goddamn right it did uh from max june will brittany and mary and mary be friends next See, no. Mary will never be friends with Brittany. Brittany will try. Mary, Mary doesn't have the capacity to be friends with Brittany.

She would lose her mind. Yeah. And a lot of these are pretty much the same regarding the script, which I don't care for guys. Guys, just watch it for what it was. It was amazing. From Livetate, did everybody secure their snowflake for next season? I think so. I think so.

I'd bring it all back. Yeah, even Britney's even Britney. Like, bring her back. Yeah, she's wacky, but there's wacky, but there's absolutely. Absolutely no reason to bring anybody new. There's no reason to get rid of anybody. They all did a great job. And I think the most exciting thing for me, looking forward, if they do bring back everybody,

you're going to have Lisa and Meredith versus everyone. And that will be fun to watch. Watching those two team up and get slimy versus the other three. Hopefully Bronwyn has a lot of rest in the offseason kind of gets her game fine-tuned. Look, she needs to figure it out. Here's a thing. Okay. You need to go through it.

And she went through it. She went through it, right? And I think the other thing is, yes, we were. huge on Bronwyn in the beginning because she came on great and she was doing everything really well because of that I do feel like we treated her in our recaps not as a newbie for a while and then we had to be reminded so overall it's not a bad first season I think that because we held her in such high regard we were our fault it's our fault yeah we were more critical yeah we were more critical over than we should be the year we shouldn't have set out no but we never say it again

no we know now not to do that we also said apparently we're just a jinx she said Potomac's back Potomac is certainly not back. Yeah, we got to stop. Yeah, maybe just stop getting excited about stuff. No, we had to stop podcast. Stop being happy. Oh, okay. For the good of the shows.

We just rebranded it and now it's done. You know what? I'm done. You got to stop jinxing shows. Frozen shows are out of here. Now we're just fucking with you. What else will we do? We love this shit.

Yeah. And this show, this show is a great reminder of why we do it because this was so goddamn good. We needed this after Potomac. It was amazing. But, yeah. our week, our very, very, very long week is almost over. Yeah, we got one more tomorrow. Traders tomorrow.

And then we can just relax and watch the Eagles. Yeah. Which is not going to realize. I got a private dinner on Saturday and then I've got the Eagles on Sunday. So I'm not going to get any rest. But maybe next week. No rest for the wicked, buddy. Maybe next week.

Maybe next year. I'll sleep at some point. Next year. I'll sleep at some point. Sure, yeah. Yeah, we'll get it together at some point, guys. There's a reason, right? Frozen show's got to go.

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