Bros & Shows - A Slightly Better Showing for RHOP (1/19/25)(RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

What's up Bros? We are one week behind on Potomac but we will be all caught up this week. This was a better episode, and you can point to the main reason being the LACK of Mia and her minion for the majority of the episode. We get to check in with Gizelle and her daughters in a lovely little scene. Ashley is getting ready for her Drag King performance as Ashley T.O.P. Kierna gets more involved as she, Gizelle and Wendy sit down at K's salon. She goes through some more Greg drama, and it appears that Greg is still holding on to some old values that Kierna does no align with. She is a strong, independent woman and business owner and wants to be recognized as such. Team Kierna 4 life. In possibly one of the best scenes of the season, Ray and Gordon sit down and Gordon reveals a lot when it comes to the Mia drama this year. We get confirmation that Jeremiah is in fact his son, we also get an explanation from his side of things as to why he took the kids... and it sounds reasonable. He even says he had the kids 25/30 days in the month of June, showing that Mia's custody claims are BS along with the divorce talk. Ray lets slip that Karen warned of potential blue eyes when their child, Rayvin was born... sorta snuck that one in there Ray. TJ attempts to further his relationship with Stacey, and i guess it was a better showing from him? But the whole thing is still super weird. Karen lets Gizelle know about all she found out from Ray and Gordon's lunch, and Karen and Gizelle decide to take it straight to Mia to confront her and her lies... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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somewhat on life support, but I will say this, this was a better episode. I was pleasantly surprised with what we got. It wasn't the greatest episode ever, but it was better. It was definitely better, noticeably better. Now, I mean, that is pretty much just up from being six feet into the grave last week. Sure. So there's a hand sticking out of the grave is what I'll say. And, you know, That hand might be covered in dirt, maybe a couple of worms or something, but it's in a live hand. It is not, we're not watching the coming of the dead or anything like that. The coming of the dead? Yeah, you've never seen that one?

That's not. I think you went to the wrong videos. I got to have me my pros and shows. Brows and shows. Rosen shows. I got to have me my brothers and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. And welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows.

I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only scoots magoots. What's up, dude? Feeling a lot better today, let me tell you. You sound and look better. So that's good. I got about 12 hours of sleep after that. But yeah, I mean, it's cold as hell. But I'm working from home.

I'm hanging out. Watch some Bravo, do a little bit of work. Got a espresso machine coming in. I am living today. Let me tell you. High on life over there. I'll tell you what. going to the gym this morning at A.A.m. when it was six degrees.

Yep. Okay. Sixth. That sucks. I, that's, when we get in single digits, like, this goes back to what we talked about before. Seasons. I miss seasons. Do you? Do you miss seasons? Because, yeah, sure. It was pretty watching the snowfall. And yeah, sure. The snow game was Austin. Nobirds. But six degrees is ludicrous. And I don't like seasons anymore because of that. It's got me thinking about Florida when I live there, which is not good because we know what happened to me in Florida. You know what the funny thing is too? I actually had this weird thought yesterday watching and it's just like a one-off comment that Shep made in Southern Charm where he's talking to Molly and he said, yeah, it's a beautiful day.

And I wondered if you're in a climate controlled area, if you will, do you really appreciate good days or is every day just pretty good? And then sometimes it rains. I don't really get it. So obviously we appreciate the start of summer. start of spring because it starts to get a little warmer maybe in the fall we start to appreciate that crisp weather the problem is we appreciate it for about two weeks yeah and then we hate it and then it gets really bad so we have both ends of the spectrum it could be a hundred degrees here in august and it's going to be six degrees on a tuesday in january so yeah i somewhere in the

middle's probably not too bad but the extremes it's where it gets me like i would say january's the bad month i think february is the worst no February is so short because then you're looking forward to March and you're like, oh, yeah, the sun's going to be setting a little bit later. It's going to be a little warmer in March. January, there is no hope. It is bleak except for the Eagles. Thank God. They're still playing.

Thank God for the Eagles. But we're not here to talk about the weather. That's a different podcast. That's the, uh, the snow bros. We're here to talk about Potomac. Uh, snowbro sounds like a drug show. Yeah. I don't know.

I've been a drug show. Yeah. Uh, we would have a snowbrobiel. What else can you do with it? I think that's it. That's pretty much it, yeah. I just imagine the two of us in like some sexy-ass skiing outfits on a snow brobeel. Oh, dude, I would have like the best 1980s neon purple.

That would be my vibe. Yeah, that should be sick. But like I said, we're here to talk Potomac. So let's talk some Potomac. This was better. This was better. And it's such a simple formula that made it better. Mia and Jacqueline were MIA for the majority of the show,

no pun intended, but we just talked about, it's hard not to because I don't mean to do it and then I say it and I'm like, oof, but all they did was focus on the other ladies and their lives. That was it. And then you get the payoff at the end where they finally go after Mia for all this bullshit

but throughout the episode it was checking in. What are these people up to? What are those people up to? Let's check in with everybody. What's Giselle doing with her daughters? What's Stacy up to with the divorce and T.J. and fucking bugs Bunny. It's not rewriting the wheel. is what I was going to say.

We're not rewriting the wheel over here. Yeah, we're not doing that. It's just simple. Get back to basics. Check in with the housewives. What's everyone doing? Who's hanging out with who? Let's go hang out.

When they were hanging out at Kearna's Salon, I was like, this is nice. This is nice just watching these three chit-chat. It doesn't have to be that much deeper. It's sort of like we just got a bit of a reprieve from all the bullshit that we've been putting up with with Mia. So we needed a little one-off episode. Did a lot happen in this episode?

Yeah, you could argue that. I would like to petition to replace every Mia a Jacqueline scene with just Ray and G because that was great dude that was great right that was incredible and look we both have feelings about about G he's probably not a great dude all the time but it was nice to watch the two of them interact because it's just two seemingly sweet old men just talking about their wives talking about their lives eating cornbread eating pudding they were just having a time that was incredible to watch and we got tea from that so here's a productive conversation between two people who are not housewives and we never try to push for more husbands

on these shows but i would replace g and or i would throw g and g g g and g and rye in with any scene that has me and jackland just get rid of them i'm so done i know i know they're they're brutal and they show that again later when they come up on camera but let's jump in because we start with ray and karen and they're pulling up to go golfing and either ray can't park or karen was driving that car. Are we speculating on that one? I'm assuming Ray was driving now, obviously, it was probably a keyless entry and keyless ignition, but when he starts the car because he's leaning on the button and he holds

in the lock button for too long, that tells me that he was driving, but there's a driving issues going on in that family, yeah. I was making a DUI joke because she refuses to take accountability for it. So now she was driving that somebody saw her park and then she switched places with Ray. Oh, yeah, probably. But then I started thinking, oh, no, are they doing the thing where because it's a nice car, they double park because I hate those people. So all in all, very quick scene, didn't care for it, but whatever. We had to Ashley, and she's getting ready for her drag king show.

We've heard about this. Ash, T-O-P, aka Ashtons of Pussy, is getting geared up. Genuinely, did not know that was a woman in drag. The bearded drag king was very believable. one hell of my king phenomenal phenomenal job did we get a name I rewounded to look for like the caption

I couldn't find it I vaguely remember seeing a name but I don't remember what it said shoot yeah I want to know their name because that phenomenal there was one later that was Drew Sidora Drew Sidora I wrote it down

D R you E A UX yeah I was wow shout out Drew Sidora Who'd have thought that one that's fucking incredible But yeah she's getting ready for this you know drag king event that she's hosting and they're going through a little bit of masculinity training

which was my favorite bar. You just hop up on the bar like that. I was like, yeah, actually dudes do that. That was actually pretty funny. The jacket, putting the jacket on. I was like, yeah, it's so nice. All right. This is fun. We're having a good time. We're paying attention to the little details. That's what makes all the difference. That makes all the difference in the world. But we get the

Kearna and Dezelle at Kearnas Salon. And I'm glad she's getting more involved. And this is all I've wanted. It's all I've wanted the season was to see her like in these scenes we can get to know her a little bit see if she's up for the task which it seems to me that she is she starts talking about Greg and you know we've obviously had our issues with Greg yeah we've had a very rocky relationship with Greg and we've been trying to I don't know hold judgment until we get more information we obviously jumped off the bandwagon pretty quick and we're still off the bandwagon now it's just trying to figure out

is he a total asshole yeah or is he just a little if you want to I hate this to old school, because I don't think that's an excuse. No. But as they're talking through some stuff, it just, again, seems like he's having an issue with the fact that this is an independent woman. She has her own business. She's doing her own thing. Just because you're moving in together doesn't mean that she is then going to suddenly

become a housewife, despite what the show is called. Correct. Now, I will go back to what you said about Kiarna. I feel like a lot of people online and a lot of people that watch Housewives, they have a bit of a syndrome right now with new people where they are very quick to write people off. And I get it. I mean, when we talk about it, if we don't see enough from new people, we do start to question what their role in the show is.

Kiarna's been getting a lot of weird hate online just for not doing anything. And I don't understand where, like, when you watch as many of the shows as we do as most people do online, you kind of understand, like, there's not a lot of room for new people online. this show right now stacy's being authentically herself and she has an interesting storyline going on with tj which we'll talk about in a bit but kearnah she's just trying to find some room to grow and some room to operate in there and it's really tough when you have people like mea talking about all this bullshit and she's taking pretty much every scene away from everybody else and you have the mainstays like karen and jazelle and karen's going through the DUI like

there's not a lot of of space for kearna right now so when we do get these scenes you can see the glimpses of okay she can bring it there is enough there's not a lot of lot going on in her life. Yes, she's moving in with her boyfriend, hoping to become a fiance, talking about the hyphenations of names and things like that. There's enough there, but she's doing more than what she has, if that makes any sense. Like, she doesn't have a lot of content to go off of, but she's still a pretty good presence. So I'm still hopeful for her, and I think that she's going to be fine in the future. I don't like the idea of just getting rid of people if they don't pan out after one season. Like, that's not what these shows are supposed to be about.

Now, obviously, if Potomac sucks at the end of the year and Kearn is part of it, then yeah, you know, rewrite everybody. I don't care. But right now, I just don't get the unwanted hate from her. Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense, especially let's talk production again, because we talked about that a lot. What is on the cutting room floor that we're not seeing because they decided that the Mia and Jacqueline and Gordon and Inc. storyline was more entertaining. You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't know what we've missed out on. Does she have a lot to go on? No, but you're not relying on a newbie to be center stage anyway. We've just had a weird year where Bronwyn came in hot, took the center stage for a little while, then she

fizzled out. You had Stacy come in in this show and do a great job out of the gate so people resonated with her. You've had, you got bows coming in to Beverly Hills making some noise. So like, yeah, in retrospect, and when you compare the newcomers, yeah, she's not bringing it as much as the other ones, but at the same time, what opportunities has she had to do that? You know what I mean? So if we got bogged down by Mia and Jacqueline all season, especially the second half of the season, and she's doing enough, I don't need her to be the focal point. I just need to know that she can hang and I think she can. So yeah, I don't want to keep doing this every year with multiple shows where it's like, newcomer, buy, newcomer, bye. Yeah, and some of them grow. I agree with that.

And here's an easy fix. And look, this is not, I think the majority of people are very over Mia, but if you do get rid of Mia, this is a practical approach. You get rid of Mia, you get rid of Jacqueline, that creates so much space for everybody else to operate. You're still going to have Giselle. You're still going to have Karen, even though people are putting out false reports that She's not coming back next year. She hasn't said anything. She's just going to rehab for a little bit. She's not going to be at the reunion.

We all know that. But she didn't talk about not coming back next year. So everybody back off of that, we're going to have the mainstays. Just get rid of Mia and Jacqueline because it's bullshit. And she's lying about stuff. Like if you don't go to a reunion, you don't get ass back. That's how it works. But Karen's a different circumstance.

If you're lying openly about storylines and lying to the other castmates and getting caught into it and then not talking about it, all of the things that Mia has been doing for years now, get rid of her and when you get rid of her it creates this weird like black cloud that's been over potomac is going to go away and you're going to have people like kearna step in you're going to have people like stacey step in stacey's done a great job this year she's very likable but kiarna is a bit of overshadowed by the bullshit that comes with mea get rid of her let these people see what they can do and you know what if it doesn't pan out it doesn't pan out but you have to give them a chance and right now mea is not really giving anybody a chance and the producers are definitely not

giving people a chance because we're just watching all the Mia storylines that we're tired of. Yeah. No, I agree with you 100%. I just lost her. She's going to rehab for a little bit. Just a casual stint. She'll be out soon. Yeah, she's going to relax. She's fine. She is not sobriety, as she claimed. So yeah, just a quick in and out. She'll be out in no time. But speaking of Karen, they start discussing her, being concerned about her. You know, Giselle's been concerned about her weight. Wendy shows up with a flat tire. She's also concerned about her weight. Should be concerned about your rim because you drove on the highway with a flat for god knows how long i don't want to think about that it makes my head hurt she's like yeah i just heard like dun to do do do to do it's

the radio up it's like oh god you're lucky the tire's still on the car and she got the tire pressure signal too tire pressure low oh all right i'll just keep driving on the highway who cares but all three of them were like you should have gotten like a warning it's like i don't know how these new fans like they drive rangerovers so it's a different i would imagine that a ranger would be like yo your tires flat, just like that. Yo, tires flat. PSI, really low. Yeah, PSI, super low, PSI non-existent.

I, in my experience, the cars, it just tells you low tire pressure, but I don't fucking know. Regardless, at least she made it there. She got AAA on the way, I believe, or somebody's on the way to fix her car, but they're all sitting there talking about Karen. And the fact that she obviously looks stressed out, clearly isn't sleeping well, not eating enough, she's losing a lot of weight. Giselle expressed his concern, Wendy expresses concern, and Kianna's like, yeah,

she's on ozempic and i thought it was like a ha ha and then she's like yeah no she's pre-diabetic she's she's on ozemic and i was like oh fuck that no look it probably is a bit of a storm of all of those things like if she's going through and we find out later she's on semi gluteide which is basically is umpic to begin with no that is ozempic that is yeah i know yeah it's just a different name but she's on that so she's doing that and she is stressed out i mean we have the scene what was it that now they're saying it was like six weeks ago which is crazy how My God, it's been that long. Well, it was six weeks ago in real time.

I don't know if it was six episodes ago. Probably, though, somewhere around there. She was sitting down with, I believe it was, Giselle and Ashley talking about her trial and how stressed out she was and all of those things. So she is going through, you know, starting semi-glutide, also going through a trial and being stressed out, not sleeping, not eating.

So it is a pretty crazy series of events for her body to go through. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit of everything. Yeah, no, I'm sure that there is some weight loss due to stress. I also know for a fact, O Zempic, not because I've taken it because I'm in the industry. O Zemphic or not, she's going through a lot, yes, but I have no sympathy for her at all because of how she's handled the whole thing. So let's just move on. It's going to move on from this one.

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And I'm waiting for the wives to come in. I'm waiting for me to walk in. I'm like, where is everybody? Yep. No. It's just a bro down. A bro down at the Creole kitchen, which I fuck with so hard. He orders the Creole Spice Lamb.

I'm like, I want to be here. This sounds awesome. But they're chatting and they seem to have a good rapport with one another. And again, from what we know about Ray, we like Ray. Gordon, yes, we've gotten some conflicting stories. I don't really know what to make of it because the stories we have gotten come from Mia. We've obviously seen some things from him that haven't been awesome. He's also manic and dealing with bipolar disorder.

So there's a whole lot to throw in here. So let's just keep it to this scene. Yeah, because this was a great scene between these two. They talk about Karen a little bit. then G gets into all of his shit, but their chemistry's undeniable. Oh, it's always been undeniable. Anytime that there was a party back when things were good with me and G, and they had a big party, it was always G and Ray sitting together,

crack at a couple of jokes, maybe being a bit of some dirty old men. You know how it goes. Yeah. You know how it goes, talking about mermaids and stuff as we saw. Yeah. Ray was Lovett if G was, no, well, T. TJ just kind of took G spot, I believe, but T. would love to sit down with these two.

You just said this is a nice thing. You wanted to be there. TJ definitely wanted to be there when he watched this. So, yeah, I mean, who knew? The most enlightening scene of the season was going to come with G and Ray sitting down at the Creole kitchen talking about what happened with Karen, which I thought Ray did a great job. He didn't really speculate on anything.

He didn't add to anything. He just said, Karen's okay. You wouldn't even know that she was in an accident. Well, I don't know about that. Maybe mentally. But also, she didn't hurt anybody. hoping that this whole thing passes. That's not what he said. That's not what he said.

It's kind of what he said. No, it's not because he said she thinks she'll be exonerated from it all. She's already bought another car. This is fucking stupid. That's fucking stupid. Especially after we see the body cam footage. That's fucking stupid.

I like that she bought another car, but she doesn't have a license because that license was revoked immediately. And we'll continue to be revoked. Yeah. She should, you get two DUIs you're denying the second despite body cam footage taken away forever but gordon starts talking about the kids and it's a different conversation than we've heard from

mea obviously and we take everything mea says with a grain of salt even when it comes to gordon like i haven't taken her word for gospel at all this season i've actually been curious if we were going to get a scene with gordon in it to kind of explain his side of things and i think it's important to note as well bipolar disorder doesn't mean you doesn't mean you're like a non functioning adult and the way that she paints him and bipolar disorder as a whole in any kind of manic episodes is so defaming for people that actually deal with it like it is manageable you can live a normal life with medication and the proper steps so it was this scene that made me realize i'm like oh she's really kind of fucking him over with all

this shit because we haven't heard from him all we hear from her all the time is that he just has episode after episode. And our first time watching Gordon through like a full scene where he's not being pressed by ink, he's very normal, very lucid. So that made me kind of snap in and be like, oh,

dude, that is kind of fucked how she's painting him because she's making him out to be like some kind of psycho that could barely figure out where he is. And meanwhile, like he'll have episodes, sure. But he's also addressing it. And this scene he talks about him.

I'm working on managing it becoming a better person. But when they get into it, the first thing that stuck out, and I believe this to be true, he's like, yeah, we're co-parenting's going great. I had the kids 25 out of 30 days in June. Uh-huh. That's the month of June. You had the kids.

Yep. Yep, that's a lot of time that Mia was saying that she is only watching the kids. Yes. So I believe G. Let's just be honest. Let's just rip the bandaid off. I believe G. And also, let's go through it.

He has bipolar disorder. He has bipolar disorder. And what is he gone through in the last two years? He's gone through his wife cheating on him, being separated, potentially getting divorced. Now he has a paternity issue where the guy that she cheated with is claiming that his son is actually ink's son. And he has to hang out with him by the pool. And you want him to just be normal through all of this. And every time that he does something that Mia doesn't like or Mia doesn't support or it goes against the grain,

g's having a manic episode that's what she does that is what she does so i know we haven't really seen a whole lot of g we again agree you know there's some issues there he doesn't you know control his emotions that well we've seen it in the past but we are now hearing it from him directly he's in a comfortable setting yes there's cameras there but he's been on camera before he's in a comfortable setting with a comfortable person talking about what's going on that's a good way to describe ray just comfortable he's he's definitely a comfortable dude just sitting here going through all of the pressing questions that we have about what's been going on because we're tired of listening to Mia. And when our ears perk up, when G starts talking about it,

I believe every word that he said. Of course I do. Because Mia is a liar. Mia has lied since day one on this show. Why would I believe her? Now I'm sitting here with G who his, his reputation's been tarnished through Mia. I'm still believing him. It doesn't matter. That just shows you how much we distrust mea yeah i believed every word out of his mouth because he also talked through it when mea makes claims it just goes immediately to he's having an episode it's like that's not you're not walking us through the situation and when you do there's plot holes missing you change the story the next time you tell it gordon's very straightforward he's like yeah he's very straightforward because he talks about taking the kids to virginia which was obviously such a huge issue when they were down in panama

Were they in Panama? Yeah, they're in Panama. Okay. Yep, Panama. So after finding out about the 25 out of 30 days, we then find out that there is no divorce proceedings happening, not moving towards that, which means there is no custody,

which also means if he had to go to Atlanta to get his kids from the guy that you were hooking up with that you cheated on him with, and then he has concerns when you go away again, you drop them with Jacqueline and Jacqueline's babysitter. Obviously, Jacqueline's going to be Team Ink and Mia. He's concerned that Inc. is going to show up there. So as a dad who's had his kids the entire month, he made a decision to go get his children and take them to family members in Virginia to make sure they were cared for.

That's a totally different scene than what we heard about in Panama. And as he's talking through it, I'm like, this all makes total sense to me. If I was in a similar position, I would 100% go get my kids and take them somewhere where I trust the people there. Not fucking Jacqueline. So in one scene, he clears up. Everything. Every single thing that we had a question about, including who's Jeremiah's dad.

By the way, it's Gordon because he got a fucking paternity test, and Mia knows about it and has been lying for months probably. It's just unbelievable, too, because she is not as, let's say, prone to manipulating a narrative like Mia is. So I don't see him sitting down and rehearsing some whole story to talk to Ray about or anything like that. it was clear cut and dry everything that we've been talking about this whole season and that's the other thing that really makes me question things me has been talking about all of these things the whole season i don't think that me and g are having discussions about what she's doing on the show so that means that this is just a burning question in g's minds that he wants the audience he wants ray he wants everybody else in the group because he knows ray is going to go back and talk to karen

ray tells karen everything so of course this is going to get back to the rest of the group he knows what Mia is out there doing. He's been married to Mia. He knows what kind of spinning of a narrative that she's doing, trying to paint him out to be the villain, the guy with all the problems. He's painting him out to be a psycho. Yeah, she needs to get her kids out of there because she needs to go live with this five foot

two year, or five foot two radio, uh, radio, DJ. Yeah, radio DJ. The whole thing is crazy and it just gives us this like sense of clarity. Like, oh, yeah, no, that makes sense. Like everything you're saying, every time that you finish a sentence, I'm like, oh,

Yeah, why didn't I think of that? Why, why was I, I wasn't I, I wasn't I just assuming it was the opposite of what Mia was saying? I should have been doing that the whole time. I don't know why I wasn't. Me neither, dude. As soon as he started talking, I was like, God damn it, we're stupid. Shooter at our fucking stupid because we didn't look at it from this angle. Is Mia blowing it out of proportion?

Is she lying? Is she fabricating? Is she trying to paint out? I think we're so pissed off about Mia that a lot of times it wasn't worth the brain energy to really think about it. I like that. makes me feel better about our decisions, because I don't feel great after watching this scene. But I mean, there's two other things that happen. The first, because I want to save the other one for last, is it makes it more believable when he gets to the end of this whole

spiel. And he's like, you know what, but some great things have come out of this because I'm learning how to manage my bipolar disorder. I'm on medication, but there's other things that can help improve my mental health. And I'm going to focus on those things. Like, he's taking a very positive approach to this and I'm like wow I fucked up the whole season because I was kind of listening to me and I didn't even think about this and I'm sorry I'm sorry but we also

get a fucking bombshell that I think gets brushed over because I haven't heard people talking about a lot confirmation about the blue I'd met because Ray's he finds out about the paternity test and I think he believes Karen I don't know what this was

I don't know if he was acknowledging it or just laughing it off but he's like yeah when Karen was pregnant with Raven, she would say to me, I sometimes have blue and gray eyes in my family. And he's like, ha, ha, no, you don't. And I'm like, ah, Ray, Ray, she just told you that she cheated on you. Yeah. The blue eyed man. Yeah.

Yeah, that was, I feel like that was brushed over. I don't know why. Anytime we talk about the blue eyed man anymore, people just don't talk about it. Like, I think, whatever, maybe it's what Giselle said later. It's like, we all know. We all know about this. It's not news. It's not exciting.

Like, yes, we get it. She's, she's fooling around on right. Ray knows. Like, Ray Cleary knows. He's like, yeah, you know, the blue-eyed guy, allegedly. But, yeah, that was such a, like, a little one-off. And it was definitely, like, when Raven was born, and he didn't see blue eyes or gray eyes. He's like, well, no paternity test.

I don't need to know. Good enough for me. Don't want to know. Thank God. He didn't come out blue eyes. Or she, sorry. But anyway, we get to Stacy's scene with an attorney. And look, she knows her husband better than we do.

Okay. I think that she wants it to be as amicable as possible. She's holding on to hope for everything. But she's walking through this scene. First of all, she tells this attorney, yeah, I found a mediator. And she's like, that's great. I had no idea that she showed up to mediation attorneyless. That's wild.

Okay. I don't care how amicable the breakup is or the divorces. Like, you need to have representation. And that's all this attorney's trying to tell her is like, you know, I see your waving child support. Why is that? She's like, oh, well, he takes care of everything under the sun for Arabella. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I don't imagine it is. From everything we've heard about this, man, he seems like a stand-up guy. So I'm not here to bash the husband. I'm just saying, Stacey, protect yourself just in case. Like, have some guidelines set. So if it gets weird, you do get the child support. So you're not relying on calling him and saying, hey, man, need some cash for Arabella. Like, that's going to get weird.

but she also she does want alimony so the attorney sums it up just saying look this is just a safeguard the same reason you want alimony is the same reason that you should have child support lockdown just in case but the seal for me was when she's like and that's what's so fascinating about the situation with stacey i think she's just such a good person wants to believe in the wellness of other people because she's not stupid she's not dumb and she even walks through the whole thing herself and she's like i know what people are saying. I know this. I know that. But they don't know them like I do. And when she asked the attorney, how many women have sat here and done this same thing and then came back again? She's like, if I had $5 for every time that they did, I wouldn't have to work anymore. It's like, Stacy, come on, man. It just really hasn't changed since the beginning of the season when she sat with the rest of the women who have gone through divorces saying, you need to protect yourself. You are being very trusting right now. And I don't, uh, I don't care how amicable you think it's going to be it's not going to be because once money gets

involved everything changes and it looks like she has a little bit more information now a lot of this came from uh the mediator group meeting if what you want to call it that where she found out that he has a lot more and he's a lot more financially stable than she thought he was which is that what it was that it was more tied up in her name and his name like there was that but i think she led on in this scene that there was a lot more money than she thought and now she's kind of like carrying that around but again we're still in the same spot like you didn't learn like if you if you found out that he's got a lot more money now wouldn't you think all right you know he kind of lied about that uh maybe he's not and i do like that the attorney goes into if he finds another wife

and has another kid don't you think he's going to be making sure a lot of his resources go to the new kid and maybe he puts you guys on the back burner wouldn't it be nice to just have something in writing if it's as amicable as you say it is, he should agree to that. Correct. It's a win-win. It's a win-win. It's just protecting you.

Every time that Stacey goes through this, it's like, oh, poor sweet Stacy, you have no idea. Yeah, bro. You're just a lost little lamb. It's like, do you think that he's over there with his attorney saying like, nah, don't put any rules in there.

We'll just give her what she wants. He's got a plan. Just make a plan just to protect, listen to Giselle. Listen to Karen. Listen to everybody. They're trying to help you. They've been through this.

And maybe like you just said, maybe it will be as amicable as you want it. And then you can chalk it up. He'll be like, yeah, no problem. Boom. But she's going the root of alimony, which this is what I didn't really understand. She's already planning on going the root of alimony.

Yeah. But she's not also doing child support. So wouldn't the two of those just go hand at hand? Unless she's thinking, well, he's going to continue to take care of Ira Bella regardless. And I have alimony. So like that'll be a nice. But if he stops, then all that alimony's just going to Arabella and you're paying out of pocket. So there's a lot more involved here that I just don't think that she's thinking of.

Probably because she doesn't have an attorney. So, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that she just wants it to be as on the up and up as she thinks it's going to be. She doesn't want to believe that this dude that she's loved for 16 years, the father of her daughter would try to fuck her over in court, which I get that. Sure. Yeah, totally. And it doesn't sound like he is that guy.

Like we're not sitting here bashing this dude It's just, just in case You know, just in case But it's sort of the same thing as a pre-up Like yeah, you think that you guys are going to be together forever and that's great But a pre-up would just in case Okay, just in case Yeah, if you have like

generational wealth, maybe protect it just in case J-I-C J-I-C guys, you know But Giselle's college shopping with the girls And I mean, her daughters are just delightful every time I see them on screen. They just seem like such nice young ladies.

And she's just a good mom. She did a great job raising them. She did. And I think that this side of Giselle that we've seen this season is a more well-rounded Giselle. And that makes these scenes even better because we used to just look at these scenes like, oh, finally like one good scene with Giselle because she's not being mean to everybody with Robin.

Now it's like all encompassing. She's had a good season regardless of the me and Jacqueline shit. But let's get to Bugs Bunny and Stacey. What do you say? Because they go to lunch and I was so goddamn confused this whole scene because he's like, we don't really do anything. And I'm like, okay, all right. And she's like, yeah, no, we don't because the divorce isn't final is the reason they don't.

I was under the impression for the majority of this season that the hang up was partly due to her not being divorced, but a bigger part of it was he just wanted to be friends. this scene flipped that on his head i was like wait what now what's been going on like what did you make of this because i'm fucking lost i was pretty lost um look i don't i just still don't really know how to feel about tj he rubs me the wrong way for sure but seen i was in a pretzel my brain was in a bristle at the end especially i think he really does love her and i think his christian values are holding him from being more in at least this is what i always thought that he didn't want to be more intimate because of the Christian values and because she's still actually married.

So he acknowledges that sort of, but now he wants her to tell her ex-husband that they're dating, which is that's unfair. You can't do that. Do it on Stacy's timeline. You're not going through a divorce bro. You want to hang out. You want to wait. You can sit and wait. You love her. You take her for her word, which I mean, it's Stacy. Why wouldn't you take her for her word? If she says she's going to stay with you and she loves you, she's telling the truth. And she will get through all of this. It may take a little bit longer than you want, but you have to hang in there if you do love her. So asking her to tell her husband and everybody else that they're dating, sure, she can talk to her friends. Her friends already know it, but she has to go to her husband.

They think you're not dating. I think you have a friend and you're banging out of people in L.A. But like, why would she go to her husband? Like that is entirely unfair. So he won me back a little bit and then immediately he says that and he goes two steps back. So now I'm even further out on him a little bit more. But then he ends the scene. I didn't believe

And that's where I said that to Dev Because Dev and I Watched it together We're sitting there trying To understand this scene Because we went through the same Kind of roller coaster you did

Yeah You know When he got to the point of saying Like I want you to tell him I was like well that's fucked up Like she's not ready to Like that's not fair to put that on her Like you said

At the end of the scene When he realizes like what he's asked of her And he pulls it back He's like look If you need to wait Let's wait If you need time I'll give you time

You're not going to be alone sweet sentiment and yes he cries and that's immediately where my head went was like okay if the tears are real this is sweet because this is their relationship stacey likes that in him that he's emotional like that but then the other side of me he's like he is an actor is he pulling at the heartstrings a little bit extra in this and i don't like to do this because i think i'll do it if you don't want to all said and done and then you can go all set and done on my side it he won me back more than he did lose me this scene how about i'm the i'm not full team tj but i won me back a little bit more than he was previously interesting yeah um i'm not saying

this is the case so you know i'm not even throwing the word allegedly out there oh just hypoth there's a chance that what he's doing is just manipulation and maybe this is just because we talk about manipulative guys all the time on these shows sure there's a chance that he's being very manipulative and pulling at her heartstrings and doing things like, hey, I'm going to test the waters here and see if you'll tell your husbands that you're going through a divorce with, that you're dating me.

But you know what? Actually, I'm going to be a good dude. I'm going to take a step back. It didn't go. And then he just like completely panics and starts crying and saying he's always going to be there for her because he's in this weird little gray area where he doesn't want a loser, but he could be

in L.A. doing weird shit with Bugs Bunny. And he doesn't want to lose that. So he's just kind of floating in this area. He doesn't want to lose bugs. He's not ready to move on from bugs. But he's sitting here kind of throwing her through a loop to make her think, oh, wow, he's going to stay here with me forever until I'm ready.

But really, he's just living his own life in different ways. But he doesn't want to lose me. So I think that could be what he's doing. I would hate if that's what he's doing because that's very mean. But I don't know. I just feel like my brain is kind of tainted for manipulative men on these shows. So, I don't know. I don't like him.

He messes with me. His whole demeanor just throws me off. I don't like it. There's something. Yeah. Something stinks. Maybe if it wasn't like the whole season of like, this is weird, he's weird. I don't get it.

And then now this happens. And then there's just so many question marks. When did you, when did it happen that you wanted to date? Because I thought you were just tight, like you wanted to be friends. What are we missing? What scenes with T. did we not see to get to this point i guess i don't know what i'm and he wants to come to her house to like that's also like too far no too far like her daughter lives there like she's not ready for

you guys haven't even kissed yet i'm not saying that well they kissed at the end of this scene that was an awkward kiss oh they did i was watching them hug and i just wrote down they hugged i must have missed oh they kissed it i mean they they call it a kiss i don't know what fuck it was it was bizarre i don't think that he was expecting the kiss i don't think he puckered up i think she it was i don't know why i'm trying to break this down right now it is a good job i can see it no my head yeah threw me off i didn't like it the whole thing i'll see the same thing i said yesterday going through southern charm if i feel weird i want everybody else to feel weird i feel weird about this scene i want everybody else to feel weird we do now thank you for the uh depiction but good good to karen and get to karen and ray

she's talking about the drag king show and they get into gordon and the lunch thing and ray fills her in He's like, it was nice, you know, but I got some more info about the kids going to Virginia. I also got more into about the custody thing. There is no custody thing because they're not moving forward to divorce. There's no divorce either. The divorce is on pause while they figure things out. And also, Gordon is the father of Jeremiah. So literally, every single thing that Mia has spun this season, this web of lies.

Yep. All across Potomac. Gordon telling Ray debunks all of it and Ray by telling Karen brings it to the forefront because you know Karen's not going to sit on this for very long and she's going to see me at tonight this might have been one of the better handoffs from a husband that we've seen because this is like the same boat as up there with Ken it's up there with Ken it's better than Ken Ken's is the best because of how fucking scripted it was and he forgot his lines halfway through and then remember them that.

That scene will live forever. Ray, I think Ray did a good job delivering this information. Now, I don't know if it was the first time he told Karen because we speculated about those things all the time. But I thought he did a pretty good job. He was succinct. He was to the point. And he just disproves everything that Mia's been telling all the rest of the women.

So it was a good scene. I love these scenes too, because all the scenes with Ray and Karen are so short, but you get so much out of them. Because they're just like, oh, boop, yeah, they're just right to the point. Yep, there's no dilly-dalling, there's no weirdness. They're talking about, like, we talked about earlier in the season where Karen is, you know, trying to give this list to Ray for the things that he can do, and then they can be more intimate. Now she's showing off short skirts for him all the time, talking about that. Love that.

That came full circle for us. You know, we have a short for you, babe. Like, it's a very impactful scene talking about this because now it's like, oh, shit, what is Karen going to do? She's got beef with me, and Mia's been coming after her for her DUI the whole season. Karen's going to go after her. Hey, let's get this scene with Ray and Karen, very important scene, and it lasts about a minute and a half.

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It sums up what he talked about with Gordon, and it sets Karen in motion. It gets her activated to go drop the hammer, which she does really well. So, yeah, it was seamlessly done by Ray. Bravo, sir. It is up there with Ken. Ken's a different category just because the delivery was so monumental. but yeah good job ray so let's get to the drag king show and the first thing we get is kearna talking about she had a rough day with gregg to the point that she's crying now so gregg continues

to move down in the book and especially when she starts explaining why a big issue is the show yep because she's spending more time with the ladies the cameras are in the house he feels an invasion of privacy and again it goes back to the the roles it sounds like where he's like he wants to be the man of the house and she needs to cook and clean and x and y and z and like that's just not who she is so it's going to be interesting to see if that relationship i don't understand it though like you sign seemingly you signed off on her being on this show you have to sign up to be on the show too yeah did you not understand what it was going to be like you guys are moving in together of course they're going to put cameras in there that's like i never understand

that so you can't use that as a sticking point in an argument you're like yeah I'm uncomfortable. Okay, then leave. Like, you don't have to be on camera. We talked about this. I'm going to be on camera because I'm on the show. I'm a housewife. Of course I'm going to be on the show and there's going to be cameras in our home.

I just don't understand, like, what was he missing? How did you miss that, dude? I don't know, but like, every time you get those cut scenes, like at his business and people are joking, and like, oh, she's got to get right. And then she'll be a digs. It's like, that's weird to say. Yeah. Like, if you're dating her for who she is, like, let her be who she is.

And she has a salon. She's successful. She's independent. and like fucking leave her alone, Greg. Hey, Greg, leave her alone. Hey, fuck off, buddy. Yeah, hey, knock, knock. Who's there?

It's the bros. Fuck off. On the probobile. Yeah. Fuck off, fell. This is when we get to see Drew Sedora. Yep. Drag Drew.

Wasn't expecting it. A huge shout out. Yeah. Huge shout of the name. I had to rewind it and be like, did that say Drew Sedora? And I rewind up. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, wow.

D-R-E-U-X. I believe. Yeah, Drew Sedora. So a little shout out to Drew there. Hopefully Atlanta comes back. Atlanta's got to be back soon, right? Yeah, sometime soon. Yeah, all right.

Anyway, sure. Whatever. Whatever. But when Karen arrives, Giselle brings up the Ozempic thing and just says, I've been worried about you. You could have at least told me you're on Ozempic. She tries to throw the semaglutide out there where it's different. It's like, that's the active.

No, because Kearna's like, well, that's the active ingredient in Ozempic. It's like, yes, it is. Well done. Thank you so much. so you're taking ozempic and if it's for pre-diabetes maybe it's a double uh double double birds with one stone sure you double dipped on the uh somaglutide the birds are uh the birds are uh the birds are uh diabetes and yeah the birds that you killed diabetes with the birds yeah boom i don't what anyway you said it don't say what to me no but my favorite part of any no but my favorite part of any

time Karen's going through a moment by trying to dig herself out of a whole. Stacey is always good for some support. She's like, it's a health issue, guys. It's like, yeah, shut up, Stacey. We know. Obviously, we don't want Karen to get diabetes. And if this is preventative, great. But everyone has been commenting on her stress levels and things of that nature,

asking if she's okay, she could have divulged that, hey, I'm also taking Ozempic or semaglutide for my pre-diabetes. So I've also lost some weight in the process. Just put people's mind at ease. They're not concerned about you eating or not. But yeah, you would think. Yeah, you know, there's somebody alone. Kill two birds with one of Zempec.

There we go. Now we're talking. Now we're talking. But I do like, this is something that Karen does every time. Whenever she gets caught in something like that and she just can't lie your way out, she realizes that you see the look on her face too. It just kind of goes over. Yeah.

She can see the thought going through. She looks up, mouth open looking. up. This is an easy thing to Google. I better just cop to it right now. Yeah, it's basically it was epic. Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. Love that. I'm going to cop to it even more. I really appreciate that you're very, very to the point with those things, Giselle. I really appreciate that. Are you? You probably wanted to hide it. Like, no. Dude. Come on. You're not fooling anybody, but it doesn't matter because she steps up when she needs to because she calls Giselle over to the side and goes, hey, we got to talk. And she fills her in with everything regarding the

of stuff like top to bottom the divorce the custody the virginia shit all of it she lets her know what's going on and joselle's pissed he's like so she's lied about literally everything and i think it's a a double-edged sword because up until this point joselle's tried to be understanding with mea yeah multiple seasons she's tried to be like okay i'll take your word for it or she pushes back a little bit sometimes but overall she's tried to take her at her word or at least like that's just Mia being Mia so now she's like pissed because everything's a lie so she goes immediately over there and calls her out she says you've been lying and Mia's like about what she's like about everything literally everything that you've done this season has been a damn lie and

Mia of course like the the first response and her defense is going to be oh well you're going to believe Gordon's word over mine it's like yeah yeah dude probably he's just just a big a part of this as you are via and you have a history of lying let's not forget the the instagram post about her having cancer thank you none of the girls none of the girls have forgiven you for that because that is not something that you just put out there and then take down and put out there again and try to make it a storyline and it's not like yes is it scary going through that sure could you have gotten sympathy absolutely if you had leaned on them and said i'm really scared about this you don't go make an instagram post about having cancer when you're not confirmed

that you have cancer yet at the johns hopkins cancer center like they just don't like it's just such a track record and it gets to the point where jazelle doesn't even ask karen any follow-up questions she just immediately takes it for bible and of course she would because mea has such a long history of lying so as soon as this pops up we've been trying to give her sympathy jazelle looks like i can't believe i just gave her sympathy again i fell for it once again with mea i've been trying to walk gently around all of this because it's a lot to go through and of course she's lying. Why wouldn't she? She's lying right to our faces. So I get why she's so pissed off. What I don't get is what do you think you're going to get out of Mia? She's going to lie some more and

then she's going to yell and scream and walk away. That is what she does. And her fucking minion is going to step in too. It's the same thing. It's clockwork with this woman. It's so infuriating that she's still on TV that we still have to deal with us. I know, dude, because she goes off on caring about the DUIs and you sleep with any man that opens his dick up to you which just shows you that means flazzled. Yeah, that just shows you that she's rattled.

Like she doesn't have a comeback because she knows she's caught. So she stumbles over words and says that and it's like, all right. What do you think of when opens, opens his dick up to you? I think like go-go-gadget penis. Yeah, sure. I don't even. Cocktimus Prime.

What the fuck? I was hoping to get through like an episode without a dick joke. But here we are. here we are you're an idiot no I just you know it's such a frustrating

scene not it was a good scene because I'm glad the people are calling her out just watching Mia and Jacqueline do the same old bullshit Mia's trying to defend herself she has no defense to stand on Jacqueline jumps in but she's not ready to speak about the paternity test oh no but she's ready to draw sympathy

from you guys about it like that doesn't make any sense she's willing to do that and get everybody to huddle around her and say, it's going to be okay, or let's figure this out, but you already know the answer. So that's bullshit. That would,

I would be livid, and I would be even more pissed if Jacqueline jumps in to try to defend it. And again, when Mia is trying to defend herself by throwing Karen under the bus, Giselle speaks for all of us when she's like, yes,

we know she got a DUI, we know she's going to court. We know she's sleeping around on Ray. None of this is breaking news. You're caught. Shut up. Just take the rap. She's never going to.

to never continue to speak out for her but god damn it was good i mean it was a solid episode especially considering where we came from so i'm not it can really only get better if we do see and look like you just said me is not going to take responsibility for any of her actions but if we see her feet get held to the fire for longer than just a scene like yes she is going to walk away she walks away at the end of the scene jacclan's just there to try to fend for mea saying that she just found out what two days ago about the paternity test bullshit. This happened weeks ago.

You knew about it. Mia knew about it. Inc. knows about it. Nobody's talking about it because it doesn't feed into the narrative that Mia wanted for this season.

She wanted to keep it going to keep people, I guess on her side, give sympathy, whatever you want, because that's when she feels like she's in a position of power. She's going to leave.

She's going to walk away. Just don't let up. Keep going after her. You have to. You really need to make sure that she pays for her crimes against humanity. That's what we want.

I agree. If you finish this season on that note, where all of the bullshit that we went through, we now have to see her answer for it. There's a way out of this without it being a total wash. So hopefully they continue to do that. But let's get to some questions. From Kara Miriam Woods,

TJ says he's been extremely patient with Stacey. Are these convos we're not seeing? Maybe. There is a possibility, but I do think that we get the gist of it. So you can make your own assumption based off of what we've seen. I don't think he's been extremely patient. You don't ask somebody to go tell their husbands who they're getting divorced and he moved out of the house a couple days ago.

Hey, could I come over to the house now? No. No. This is my first time alone in the house. No. It's weird. It's weird to ask. From Sergeant Gino, Jr. 80.

What did you think Karen would say, if anything, regarding Ray alluding to Raven possibly not being his child? Nothing. She's going to say that she does have blue eyes in her family. family. It could be a question that we could see at the reunion, but she won't be there. Yeah, and she would just say that. She would simply say, I do have blue eyes in my family and would stick by that forever. This is a good one from Caleb Howell. Why do you believe this season lost steam? Do we get too excited in the beginning? We know why I lost steam. They focused on Jacqueline and Mia too much.

Yeah. Yes, we got, I did. I got too excited because I want this show to be good again so bad that I jumped the gun. And I said that. I said that when I said what I said, that if it went downhill, I would cop to it. And I would say I jumped the gun, my bad. So here I am saying I jumped the gun. Take a responsibility for your own words. I will.

I know. I try to be. But yeah, Caleb, that we did get too excited. And you know what? Maybe they can pull it out of the gutter at the end here. But time will tell from face of the angel is Giselle Kearna and Wendy the trio we didn't know we needed possibly. scene was fun i like that scene yeah it was it was fun i i didn't care for kiarna saying that though saying you know this is the trio that we need he's new she's like yeah finally i found a click

like she finally did it don't need everybody else you've got us three i don't hate her oh boy from rags aren't we done yet no we're not we're not and we'll try to look just be cautiously optimistic they can ended on a better note. Once again, though, for the recap, or for the preview for next week, it did not say season finale. So how much longer do we have? Was there a preview? It said to be continued. We got hit with the TBC.

Oh, I think there was a preview online somewhere. Okay, maybe. I would imagine if next week's 17, it's probably an 18 season episode. Yeah. 18 episodes, 18 season episode. 18 episode season. Let's do one more from Kemper Yoga. we think the truth is between me and Gordon and Karen sharing it all? Question mark? I believe

Gordon. I believe it's a lot closer to Gordon, but I don't think it's fully Gordon. I think there is probably some nuances. Yeah, there's definitely discrepancies that we're not hearing of that neither side is really telling us. There's a lot of people out there just saying that the two of them are actually in cahoots just to give me a storyline this year. I don't think so. I can't see Gordon doing that. So, yeah, I think the truth is much closer to Gordon with, you know, some things mixed in the, you know, don't really matter. It doesn't really paint any, any better of a picture.

She's lying. Yes. I don't know what Gordon's doing, but she's lying. How about that? But yeah, here's the hoping they can finish strong. I don't know. Here's the hoping they don't have a three-part reunion because we do not need one. You need to, Max.

You know, hammer out the Mia. One would be lovely. One is all you really need. Don't even talk about the. and Gordon's shit, honestly. Or just, like, have her come out and be like, what are you doing here? You're fired. You're fired.

See if. Bye. Oh, fire her on stage. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, let her walk out and be like, oh, one of those. That would be interesting if they did that. Like, if Andy just got fed up with somebody, I was like, you know what? I'm going to make a statement right here.

Come on out. Get the fuck out of here. And then bring Alan Cummings out to take her picture off the wall and throw it on the ground. Thank you for that because he could say, you have been murdered. Thanks for TN me up. God, that'd be great. Brof bros are out of here. Bros and shows, that's our show.

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Listen, here's the deal. We have big news. We got monumental news. We got snack-tacular news. After a brief hiatus, my good friend, Michael Ian Black, and I are coming back. My good friend, Tom Kavana and I, are coming back to do what we do best. What we were put on this earth to do. To pick a snack.

To eat a snack. And to rate a snack. Mentifically? Emotionally. Spiritually. Mates is back. Mike and Tom eat snacks. Is back.

A podcast for. Anyone with a mouth. With a mouth. Available wherever you get your podcasts.