Bros & Shows - A SPECTACULAR SoHo Finale (Southern Hospitality Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

What's up Bros? We watched the SoHo finale and it was phenomenal. Overall this entire season has been a great watch and if you haven't started this show yet, we highly recommend it. In this finale, Joe Bradley is at odds with a lot of people in the group. Meanwhile, Emmy and Will are fed up with Joe because he continues to talk smack about their relationship and goes as far as saying they won't make it through Will's law school tenure. Maddy and Trevor are still under the idea that the whole group is out to get them. Sammie is with the crew to explain the infamous phone call that we have heard snippets of. It all culminates in a July 4th/ going away party for Will. Joe attempts to smooth things over with Emmy and Will after acknowledging that he isn't in a great headspace in life overall right now. Then a bomb is dropped by Maddi when we find out that she was the one that orchestrated the phonemail between Trevor and Sammy. It was all some evil plan to try to prove to everyone that Brad was lying? Or something? We don't know but what we do know is the level of depravity of Trevor and Maddi to script and fake scenes for multiple episodes because you think Brad is plotting against you, only to then plot against Brad and go as far as fake cry to Joe Bradley and stage Trevor coming to Miami... is BANANALAND! Like crazy crazy. But god damn if it didn't make for a whirlwind of a finale! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros.

For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Boot and Scootin McGee. What's up, dude? The boys are rundown. Well, I mean, you're a little rundown. I was sick. And whenever I'm sick, I always apply. that to everybody else that's fair i do the same thing when i'm hung over though like if i drive past a bunch

of people and they're all like smiling having a good time like fuck you happy about what's going on here i know because you take it out on me i always know when you're hung over because i'll text you it we usually check it in the morning because there's usually emails and shit so hit up shooter after like on a sunday morning maybe or if he has a monday off that's the worst oh yeah football season two yeah i get a text back and it's so snarky and it's like do you think i read the email before 10 a.m. It's like, what the fuck? I just asked you a question. And I'll reply the same way every time. It's not my fault

that's your hungover. Answer the question. And then he lightens up after that. Nothing to smile about my life, pal. So fuck everything and everybody. But you know what? Nothing can keep us down, because we need to talk about Soho. Soho finale. And we're leading into the reunion. So it's a good way to

tease the reunion a little bit. We got that coming out. Well, this episode will be out in the morning and you get to listen to this and it'll bring you right into the reunion. And that is how we draw it up here. Yeah, that's how we drew up to play. At Bravo's LLC, that's where we are. Yeah, we actually had a really special episode planned,

and Bravo gave us the kibosh until next week. We had some Southern hospitality peeps that wanted to chat with us, so we're looking into doing that hopefully soon. Bravo just wanted it after the reunion, which makes sense. But, you know, it doesn't make sense. It would have been cool if we didn't have to wait. I will never understand that because it's just publicity, right? There are a lot of people that listen to our show that maybe they don't watch Soho or maybe they kind of tune in, tune out, whatever, but they like to listen to us.

If they allowed their people on the show, maybe it would drum up some interest. For a new show, right? Yeah, I think. I don't know. That's that business. That's a good point, though. For a newer show, you'd think they'd want to have as much publicity leading up to their first reunion. This is their first reunion.

They didn't have them last year. so it's a big deal and their finale was fantastic the season overall was great so if you haven't jumped into this show let me walk you through this scenario all right okay not you the listeners no i know i just don't interrupt you're interrupting the listeners now now you're just being rude okay just sit over there and shut up for a second interrupting cow moo oh i got you so anyway i'm always on baby always on here's the scenario i want to walk you through you're going to need to go back and watch season one if you haven't now it will get a little slow in the beginning it takes a little bit to catch on but once it starts going i think it's what like the third or fourth episode you

kind of get the temperature of the show yeah just about that and then about like once you get there it's easy watching easy watching and then once you get to season two they did a fantastic job this year with there wasn't a whole lot of overproduction they just got to film these kids being kids and like that's the best part is you're seeing you know these people in their mid 20s to late 20s And they're in that space that we saw a lot of the Vanderpump cast when they were at Sir starting out. They're trying to figure out what they want to do with their lives. They're having a lot of these crossroads within the friend group, within their personal lives, within their private lives. There's so much going on here that's all genuine.

And it's kind of what made you sink your teeth into like a VPR. This is why we were so captivated by that show. I am not saying that this is early Vanderpump reincarnate, but I'm saying it has a lot of the same vibes. and it is very enjoyable to watch. It's a great cast. We are not paid by Soho. I promise you that. We just jumped into this show early

because we were new to the Bravo game as well. It was good timing. It's great TV. So that's my plug for this show. If you have not given it a try, please give it a try and stick it out to at least episode four, finish episode four season one

before you quit on it because you're going to want to watch season two. I have a feeling the reunion's going to make some headlines. Yeah, you're probably going to hate most of the people on the show in the first couple episodes. It will. I mean, I remember we did. We were very confused by a lot of things, but you warm up to them.

And the biggest thing about this show, I would say, because just the normal, I guess kind of where Bravo is going with all their other shows, you can call out all of the overproduction, all of the forced situations and friendships and whatever, this doesn't really have any of that. It seems organic, and it's one of those shows that's just fun to watch, just leave it on in the background. You can tune in, tune out. Not everything is super heavy.

There's not a ton of conversations that really. make you think about life and all that other thing, all the other bullshit that you don't want to think about when they're watching. Yeah, nobody wants to think about life when they're watching TV. That's the last thing I want to do. It's actually really true. So that's one of those shows where you can just tune in, have a little bit of fun,

tune out, and enjoy it. But we're going to walk you through everything from the finale in just a moment because I have a good thing to talk about. Is it a good thing or is it a good thing or is it? No, it's just a continuing topic that we just bring up probably two or three times a month. Nice. Let's get into it.

Did you see they're making a movie about each individual beetle? What? Yep. Sam Mendez is directing four separate movies. What about John? One about Paul. One about Ringo. And I don't remember who the third one.

Fourth one, I don't know. I can't remember right now. Brain fart. What do you want for me? Ringo. Ringo. John. Paul.

Paul. George Harrison. Yeah. There's going to be four. Now it's really bad. But yeah. So they're going to make four individual movies. Do you think they're going to get into the Illuminati with John?

I was going to ask you, do you think the Illuminati funded this biopic? Is it going to be Illuminati propaganda? Yes. Okay. Well, think of it this way. Discussion over. Think of it this way. Put your hands like this.

You know, the Diamond Tour, Kanye West? Okay, yeah. How many points are there? I guess four on a diamond, yeah. Yeah. Confused. Yeah, how many movies are there? Four?

How many Beatles are there? Four. I'm just saying, guys. I honestly, I think I'm going to skip. I'm going to skip the first three and then watch just Ringo. I hope Ringo is the first one. I think Ringo needs his flowers. It's time.

It's time. Yeah, it's got to be hard being the other beetle. Dude, no, it's definitely not. You don't think? He gets all of the money and, like, some of the fame when he's with the group, but then he gets to go live his life and not get recognized that often. Oh, that's actually a good point. Maybe he made out the best.

Yeah. Well, definitely better than. Well, now let's get to Southern Hospital. But before we get into the Soho of it all, a quick reminder, make sure you get your tickets to our live shows coming up. We got one very soon. I think it's less than two weeks away.

City Winery in Philadelphia, March 6th. It's a Wednesday night, and we made a huge push this last week. We sold a bunch of tickets, so there's not a whole lot left. Make sure you go get those tickets so you don't miss out. Come hang out with us.

It's going to be a great time. It's where it all started. And then where's the next one? The next one will be in D.C. at Union Stage on May 3rd. That's a Friday night. That's a Friday night. We got our first Friday.

First Friday. That is the first Friday in the month, too. Weird. Incidents? Hey now. Beatles. And then our next one is June 14th, and that is in Baston. And that is at the city winery, but that is a smaller venue.

It's only 70 seats. So if you do not have your tickets, make sure you go get them sooner than later. Don't wait on that one so you don't miss out. It's literally 70. There's no more. than that so get your tickets come hang out with the bros if you're going to philly make sure you get them soon or almost sold out but let's move on to some soho but let's get into it because this was a delightful finale we've had some good finale this year and we've had some clunkers

but i'm glad that this one landed i'm glad they were able to bring it home and i think that was in large part due to i think we need to give flowers at the beginning of the episode for bradley because Brad brought his A game this season and he is the driving force behind the Sammy thing and I'm not saying that it was all scripted I'm not saying that he saw his opportunity and took it I did see an opportunity he did see an opportunity at the end

in the finale and he's like I'm bringing Sammy to this hell yeah absolutely great yeah just a great move great season I think we're going to have to do like a list of our MVP rankings at some point during this episode well we could do it during the reunion too we could do that That probably makes more sense. How many parts are there? Just one?

I don't know. Probably. I hope there's just one and it's just great. It just needs to be one. And just make it a banger so people can watch it and get into the show. Yep. You don't need to make it longer than that. Draw it out.

Do not. But we start out with a painful intro from Maddie. I think she thinks a lot more people are on her team than they are. I also realize that Bravo probably wrote this and had her read it. So I don't want to give her too much shit for it. But given the season, not just the episode, the full on season, Have we had a good Maddie episode this year? No, not that I can remember now.

I mean, we've been giving her a little bit of grace saying Trevor and the relationship have her in like a toxic state of mind and she's doing things that she wouldn't normally do and we enjoyed her in the first season, those types of things. That's where we stood for the most part. But no, she didn't really do anything that made me think, okay, you know, she's got something going here for the, at least for the entire season. Yeah, no. You can't just live on delusion and saying lines such as, I'm the bitch that runs the bitch. Well, we see no evidence of that. I'm the bitch that always fights.

That, okay. I see evidence of that. For what, though? Like, you can be a fighter and fight for the wrong. Self-image, probably. Really? That's it. That's what she's fighting for, is self-image?

Because she looks like shit when she's fighting. Like, that's making her look way worse than anything else. Maybe not to her. Who's watching that and going to her? Oh, so it's all just like... I don't know, girlfriends that have been cheated on that are like, I get you? I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. It's just like...

And I think the toughest part is watching, you know, it's similar to, like, my feelings of watching Heather Gago from season two to then season three. If we take it to like a Salt Lake comparison where she was so funny and fun season two. And then season three, I don't know. I was like, what the... Who are you? This isn't fun at all. With Maddie, she was like the center of attention last year. She was like... She was really nice to everybody. She had a good time with everybody.

Like, that was really fun to watch. And then you get this other side of her this year. And again, I think that you are correct. I think a lot of this is, actually, no, I'm going to just flat out say all of this is Trevor-centric. Yeah, it definitely is. I think you can still say that. However, in this episode alone, she took it too far. Wait so it went from a, okay, I can feel a little bit sorry for you because we see what you're going through with the whole Trevor thing.

And he's warped your mind. Once you take it to the level that she took it to in this episode, now of a sudden, I don't feel sorry for you anymore. No, I don't need you. You've done things on your own now. You're not being defensive. You're on the offense, which is crazy. It is. And, like, I would get it if you were actually the woman scorned here.

But, like, now you're just being flat out mean to this girl. They got caught up in your nonsense because of your shitty boyfriend. Like, he says on the phone, was that being inappropriate? Yeah, but, like, did we make out? Like, try to force a confession out of her. And that sentence right there, I'm sure, got glossed over by Maddie. All she heard was, you didn't make out. and she didn't even really confirm that.

It was just all bizarre, but let's get into the episode. We're back at Republic and Emmy just got the AGM promotion and it just announced to everybody there and we're still getting the backlash from Joe Bradley and Maddie seems to have actually settled in because her job is still safe. And she's also trying to save face. Like, I didn't want that job.

I just wanted my job and I want Emmy to take my job. But she's at least being much cooler about it and even saying like Joe needs to chill out. Joe's handling this, like, absolute shit. Yeah. Like, it's a tough watch. When your boy, O'Sheen, is telling you, like, you need to be happy for Emmy, like, this is a bad look for you. Twice.

Twice. Twice. And, and in a confessional. And look. Tough start. When they didn't have O'Sheen, like, center of attention, I really don't mind him. I enjoyed him. I really did.

I thought he was fine. I thought that he, even him towards the end where he's just outside in his speedo out there. yelling inside, just complimenting people's dresses and stuff. I think it's just him. He's fine. That's the perfect role for him is he's, there's a layer of glass between us in O'Shinne. Yeah. Like we don't need him on the beach being hammered, yelling at people.

We need him just, you know, in the next room over, saying things over to us. Yeah, that's all we need. It was nice to see him, like, be able to check Joe and be like, no, no, like, this is wrong. Agreed. That was good. So different sides to O'Sheen, nice season. See, we love to see progressions here. Love progression.

Love. hey, we love a good progression here. Okay, let me just sure do hammer that home. You're breaking out the sexy voice. I usually say that for the close talk, Mike. Yeah. No, no.

But anyway, this forces a conversation between Joe and Leva and the GM, and this is where, like, I know last week you said, you know, it's office drama. It's funny. It's this and that. Like, did she deserve the promotion over Joe, blah, blah, blah. And my defense was regardless, it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

That's what this moment is exactly. Because Joe is now talking to Leva, the owner, and the general manager who runs everything, you cannot talk to them this way. I was baffled. Like, honestly baffled. And I was surprised. I was waiting for Leva to rip his head off. I think she was being sympathetic because she understood the situation a little bit. And I also think that everybody's a little worried about Joe, and rightfully so.

But this scene was tough because he's like, well, she's not my boss. I'm not going to let her talk to me like she's my boss. The GM's rolling his eyes like, dude, you need to. shut the fuck up like owner love is the owner you're telling her that she's not running her business well because she didn't promote you that's a big mistake and this is also proving a point it's proving a point and we also didn't know that joe wanted that job to begin with i thought joe was happy with this he said he said 15 times i wouldn't even take that job so who cares i think it's really it's just the issue like it's a principal issue with him he feels like he brought

emmy in and emmy's his little sister and now all of a sudden she's above him and it happened very quickly. It did happen quickly, and that is a whirlwind. You're allowed to be upset. You're allowed to be jealous if you want to, and you're even allowed to bitch to other coworkers. That's okay, because that was still funny last week watching that. It's when you talk to the GM, it's when you talk to Leva,

and you tell them specifically that they're doing their job wrong. That's what it's like, all right, dude, like, sit the fuck down. Everybody else has told you now, relax. You have O'Sheen back there telling you to relax. You're not listening to anybody's input. You're going over to Leva now talking about it. The fact that Levin

didn't sit him down right then and there and say, you need to go home right now because this is bad for business if you're just going to be walking around and complaining to everybody. It's also good for business. She knows it's a finale. She knows it's a finale. And you know what? I guess in the grand scheme of things,

it's not that big of a deal because he was still doing his job. He's just complaining about it. The funniest part to me is when he's in that mode. He's like, I just think it's bullshit that, you know, she got promoted. Hey, well, come on in. Come on in.

Like, he'll stop. He's still making sure that, like, his job duties are covered. And he'll still smile. and put on a face, be like, yeah, just go right in there and they'll turn back around. He knows how many tables they've sold. He knows how many tables are available.

He might not tell Emmy that, but he's, you know, he knows. So there's, he's still working. Like, that's the funny part is usually when people bitch about not getting the promotion, they stop doing their job efficiently. They sit down and they say, why would I even want to do this? I don't need to be working right now because I don't get rewarded for my work. He didn't do any of that. He just wanted to complain.

He's angrily doing his job well, which is so much better. They're translated to TV. so well. But I am going to take it, since it's a finale, I'm getting very analytical because we have a whole season to work with. I'm going to take it to a little bit of a deeper level here and see if you agree with me. I feel like we've watched Joe this season kind of lose his foothold in the group and lose his foothold of kind of who he thought he was in the group. He's watching relationships that he's had for a long time crumble. He's watching rifts being created in the group that he's not used to. And then on top of that, you know, his safe zone has been

Republic and I think he's always seen this path for him where it's all right I talked to level last year I got this one promotion now I'm going to work up to AGM or whatever the next step is I don't think that he foresaw all of these things happening in the span of one summer and I think that his mental state right now is just flat out overwhelmed with everything I think that this was more so not about the promotion I don't think it was that much even about emmy I think it was about one of his friends overlapping him while he is seemingly spiraling And I think that this is confirmation almost, that it's like, wow, shit's not going well at all in any fast in my life. And this is kind of the highlight of that because the one place I have been able to control, which is Republic, because we've seen him, even when he's in deep shit, he shows up for work, he does a good job.

So I think that now that his safe space has been rocked, that boat's been rocked a little bit, I think this was the final thing to send him down that spiral. I agree wholeheartedly. And I'll even have one more thing to that. one of his best friends is going to law school. He's moving on. He's no longer going to be working there. He's going to go try to achieve his dream and get into a career that can last him for the rest of his life and produce money for his entire family and stability and all of those things. So he's watching that unfold in front of him, which on its own is pretty tough to cope with, throw in everything else that's been going on with Joe this year.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Yeah. That's that's kind of what I was reading on it, but moving on from there. we get Trevor and Maddie and I think like instinctively cringe I'm not a big cringer I don't cringe a lot except when you send me those shitty memes that are from a I haven't sent you any in a couple no you sent me a good one today is a one from American Psycho oh yeah yeah hey Paul oh it's cake that was a patch of Bateman joke if you got that um anyway Trevor and Maddie, and it's hard to watch because you do see that she's caught up in this thing. Like, entirely.

She's completely consumed by it just by the verbiage and how she's talking and explaining, and she's like, you know, it's just so nice to be back in this house and have some clarity and stability. And it's like, well, you can't build stability on a shaky foundation. It makes no sense. And you guys, how can you trust him? Well, you can't, but he's also baiting you to say good things about the relationship. and the house like you wake up and the first thing he says is good to be back are you happy to be

back like do you need that gratification right now i know he does and he also gets gratification which is sick and twisted out of watching mattie bad talk her friends and feud with her friends and feud with her friends he loves that because as we said before and we've said this for the last six episodes at this point it pushes her it pushes maddie closer to trevor and that's exactly what he wants because he wants that manipulation and control and we watch this and it's it's almost like the same scene over and over again, and I don't know, like, Bravo does it in a nice way where they're like, oh, he's, you know, we've got breakfast today and look at them. They're having a fun time and flirting. It's fucking sad. It is. Like, all the, the shades are all drawn shut. It's dark

in there. You're eating some weird, like, mismatch of fucking breakfast foods and watermelon. And you're like, oh, it's because this is kind of like a beach house. Like, no, you fucking live there. Yeah, that's your house. I give a shit where you live. Like, that's your house. You should eat a normal breakfast. This isn't fun. This is weird. But maybe it's just that. That's not, you know what, I don't want to bash those types of breakfast across the board. It's just them. They piss me off so much. I fucking hate these scenes.

Because they like, what am I supposed to do? Sit here and be like, you know what? They are pretty good together. And look, it makes a lot of sense. At the end of this episode, I did say, they're pretty good together. It makes a lot of sad. For a lot of different reasons, though, than it being a healthy relationship. Yeah, no.

I mean, their relationships about as healthy as what the fuck they had for breakfast that moment. Let's just move on. Anyway, we get to Brad and Lucia, TJ, and Sammy. And I'm curious if they're going to bring Sammy on as a friend of or if they're like... I think they should. I think she handled herself well. I think that she provided a massive storyline this season, arguably the biggest storyline this season other than Joe, Will, and Emmy. So yeah, I think she's earned her, oh, what's a Charleston badge?

You know, like, you get... There's fucking houses that are all different colors. You get a diamond. You get a Salt Lake, you get a snowflake. You get a peach in Atlanta. What? Palm. Like a palm frond?

I think that's reserved for Southern Charm. They've been around longer. Fair. What can we do for Soho? A martini. We'll think on that one. Yeah, we'll think about that one. What's like the drink there?

Is there like a special drink, like a rum punch or something down there? Charleston, I would imagine it would be something like, no, it's got to be classier than that. It's a little bit more bougie. I don't know. We'll think of something. Yeah, I don't know. We're going down a road that we don't. Yeah, we'll get stuck under us for too long.

But anyway, we got Brad Lucia, T. And they're talking about T.J. or sorry, Will's going away party. He's headed to law school. So it's also like a Fourth of July party. But we get to learn more about the phone call because we really haven't discussed the actual phone call. We've heard it. We've heard it from Maddie's phone. We haven't heard it from Sammy or anybody else like really analyzing this thing. So as she tells us, you know, we saw a 30 second clip. And it was a 20 minute conversation. And as she's walking through step by step of, of how this conversation went. And this is all like he said, she said, because we didn't get to hear the whole call. We got to hear snippets of it. So we're basing this off of the snippets, what Trevor's saying, and what Sammy's saying.

But since I've seen Trevor enough on this show, and I think I got a pretty good read on him, what she's saying, I believe her 100%. The way that he's framing everything, where he's saying, she says, like, the whole point of this call was he was trying to get me to say, but we didn't make out.

Like, it was very specific. and we've seen him guide Maddie through conversations. We've seen him say certain things, such as, Are You Happy to Be Home, which seems subtle, but that's forcing a positive reaction out of Maddie when it may not have been warranted. It's forcing feelings. We've also seen him try to drive a wedge in the Friends.

When he flies to Miami, that is such a manipulative move right there, but we find out that that was all planned, which is fucking bananas. We'll get there. But he guides conversations. This is how manipulators work is what they do, and that's exactly what he's doing this conversation. Then he takes it another level, and this is emotional manipulation,

and that's when you take it to a blame game where he says, you ruined my life. You ruined my life. He's putting the onus on her. Yeah, you owe it to me to answer these questions because it's been my life for the last couple of weeks with people questioning this. Again, the thing that I keep coming back to,

and even in this conversation, we don't get Sammy specifically saying, we did make out. Like, we still haven't gotten that confirmation, but does it fucking matter? No, that's really. not at all because look he still went out Trevor went out whether it's with his friends or not he ended up at the end of the night with your number texting you after midnight yes the fuck

exactly did you imagine like being in a relationship and coming back and then being like yeah no we didn't make out but like I got her number and I was still texting her that night that's not that big of a deal though right like she's saying that we made out that's what we should focus on right now that's what's trying to drive a wedge between us no dude you still all sides point to you made out with her or at least tried to yeah and like here's the biggest caveat for this whole thing. If there was implicit trust in this relationship, unconditional, where it has not been shaken, the foundation of this relationship has not been tested up until this point, and you want to take him at his word, okay, like, I wouldn't have as

much of an issue with it if that was the case. This is a man with a past. He has a history of doing these things. So, when he tells you initially, when you come back together the first time, And he says, I love you so much. You're my whole world. I'll do anything in the whole world just to make it work. I'll never make you sad again. And that's probably exactly what he sounded like. And then fast forward, I don't think he was crying.

No, but fast forward to this moment right now, he should never put you in another position where you have to question anything, period. Because he fucked up already. I mean, it shouldn't, it should never be a situation where it's called into question regardless if you're in a real relationship and you care about your partner and their feelings, you should never put yourself in that spot regardless. However, if you are under the limelight because you were a dickhead in the past and cheated, you better make sure, make damn sure that you never leave any room for interpretation. That's fucking outrageous.

Like, that's my, why I want to like scream at Maddie and be like, hey, like, wake up. You can't see how this is a fucking issue, this situation regardless of making out. Regardless with his past, plus this, your whole world has imploded. Your friends are gone, your job's a shit show, or at least the show is making it look that way. Do you see the common denominator? This is a problem. And this is why I get so frustrating.

Well, yeah, I mean, it's easy to get frustrated about the whole thing. I still keep going back to, I think he probably could have gotten away with it. Oh, yeah. He made his own bed. He went back and decided to, well, actually, maybe not. I should probably rein that back in a little bit because we find out what we find out at the end of the episode. Yeah.

So maybe it wasn't because I've talked about that before where I thought, you know, Maddie came back to you. And yeah, she's going to bitch and complain about like you fucking talking to other girls. As she should. As she should. And you're going to have to deal with that. But for all intents and purposes, it looks like you were kind of out of the woods there. And it looked weird that you went back to try to prove Sammy wrong or try to get her to say that she didn't hook up with you or that there was a lot more going on or that Brad set the whole thing up. None of that made any sense to me because it looks like you were in the clear.

You probably could have just moved on with your life and then, you know, tried to be a good boyfriend to Maddie, but it didn't work out that way. It didn't work out as we find out. Yeah, and that's why I'm reining in it a little bit because I'm wondering if this was just the plan the entire time. I might have been, I don't know, but he ends the conversation with Sammy saying with a threat, saying you have no idea what Maddie will do to you. So now he has tried to make her feel bad, tried to force a confession, and then threatened her. That's the man that you want to be with.

And the funniest part is we find out. It's not like we're dropping this big bombshell. Maddie was on this call. So she's listening to this, probably smiling. Like, oh, yeah, like, I'll get you. Like, that's fucking weird. Like, this is two. One of us did say a couple of weeks ago that maybe that's what she's into.

Maybe she likes that. She likes the chaos and enjoys that and likes to live in it. But, I mean, I don't think she does in her heart of hearts. I think in this toxic relationship, it probably feels good to, like, meet your partner on the same level of just bizarre actions. I don't know. I think it could have... Maybe that's...

Maybe that would have been the answer, but watching it spill over to work, watching it spill over to your friendships, that's where it's like, okay, no, maybe you don't want this. And you're questioning things and you're walking away from things crying and you're not being comforted by your boyfriend.

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Joe just ignores her. He just sits on his clipboard and ignores her. The GM rolls his eyes in the core and says, Joe, what do we got? He's like, oh, we have this table, this table, and this table. What do you think the response is going to be to something like this? Like, oh, Joe really told Emmy, you're promoted. Like, what do you want from this?

Yeah, and this was already after, which is so fucking funny. I love this. We poured this out last week. I think it was when Nia was with... What's her boyfriend's name? Clive. Clive, yeah. Me and Clive.

It's not. I don't know what it is. We were laughing about how there's... I don't fucking know, dude. And there's already cameras in the bedroom and you're like, all right, you got to wake up and act. Like, there was a camera in the bedroom

when Joe was late to his meeting. He's a camera man sitting there looking at him. Like, I wonder if he's going to wake up. Oh, shit. I woke up late for the meeting. I don't really care about the meeting. Whatever. The cameraman's probably been there for an hour.

Yeah. He's been set up for a lot. Get back in bed, Joe, and act like your sleep. Rub your eyes a little bit. That was really funny to me. But I did love the one thing that Joe said when we got the little snippet of him and the GM sitting down talking about how Joe missed that meeting. He goes, yeah, I just thought it could have been in the email. Like, Joe, I don't think you've worked in corporate America, so I don't think you can say that.

But that is very true. A lot of meetings should be emails. That's my life. That's how I live. But I still have to go to the goddamn meetings or I get shit for it. Well, I thought that scene, and we already applauded this show for not force. seeing produce scenes. I thought that scene might have been fake. The GM's responses and reactions didn't seem that genuine to me. I don't know. Do you think that there was a conversation

had like that? I don't know if that was the conversation. Maybe they replicated it. I think at some point in time, yeah, because they had already referenced in a couple of the other people who had worked at Republic who had referenced that Joe doesn't go to the meetings anyway. Oh, really? So it doesn't, like this was the one that put them over the edge. They're like, all right, he's really pissed off now because they might have promotion. It probably did. Yeah, but you could tell that it was, because he was wearing the same shirt, it was probably 10 minutes before that meeting. So he's still, he's still not answering Emmy while she's just trying to find out how many tables

are available right after that meeting that he had with the GM. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that. That's really funny to me too. Like, he's just standing by it. Jesus. Well, what are you doing, Joe? The highlight for me was when they're outside, like, how do you feel about the AGM

promotion? I didn't even know what an AGM was. I was like, fuck yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. Don't change. Don't ever change. But this is where we get a glimpse of what we've kind of seen this season and what a lot of people's issue with Joe has been is the two-facedness

because he claims to be so close with Will and Emmy and Will's his brother and Emmys like a sister and all this stuff. But he tells Maddie like, oh, she was gunning for your job all summer. She's been talking shit about you all summer. If we rewind, the things that Emmy were saying were more in response to the friendship initially, but once the friendship was pretty much gone, it wasn't just Emmy. Everyone was talking about the fact that Maddie's not doing her job.

There's also no fucking problem with the fact that Emmy's sitting there looking at Maddie not doing her job and saying, I see an opportunity. There's nothing wrong with that. That's how you get promoted. Yeah, it worked. Guess what? She saw an opportunity and took it.

And I, again, I think that this is the culmination of a shitty summer. And this is like just raw emotion at this point. I don't even know if he knows what he's saying or how he feels about all of this shit. I think it's just coming out and wait. and I do think it's like TJ said later and why I love TJ so much in this show is that he's so one he's not afraid to just say what he's thinking yeah like he'll flat out say it and two he's usually on the nose they usually and a lot of times it's like tough to hear for the person in the room

but he just is like flat out says it and he's like you've been two-faced this entire summer yep very true and this is a moment which you see it because or no he says to him I think that you're going to say whatever the person in front of you wants to hear yeah and And we have watched that every single episode, him go between Maddie and then the other friends in the group. We've seen it in the group text as well. He says he's trying to defend Maddie, but you scroll up a half an inch. And it's him saying that she's like narcissistic or a psycho or something like that. And it kind of spills over into the next scene with Emmy, Will, and Aria.

And that's where we get that Joe was talking shit about their relationship, saying that, you know, the minute that Will goes to law school, like they're not going to make it. And I can hear it. I know exactly how he said it. The way that he tries to frame it later, he's like, oh, I would never want you guys. I'm concerned because long distance is tough. I don't think so because he goes to a confessional and doubles down on it. And we know confessions are later.

And he's like, I just know how Will gets when he gets drunk. And it's like, this to me is a moment, man, where you're not the good guy and you're trying to throw shade elsewhere to, like, put the villain hat on somebody else with Will. And it's not going to play. I don't know. I looked at it a little bit differently with, With Joe and the way that he's been acting, at least for the last two episodes, he is a people pleaser, and he does that all the time.

And T.J. hit the nail right on the head. But this episode, he wasn't. When people were going after him, he wasn't immediately apologizing. He wasn't just saying what they wanted to hear. He was actually speaking his mind, which was interesting. Yeah, but was he speaking his truth or was just like being defensive. Yeah. It was, I think it was anger. I don't even think it was defensive. I think that he is just like what we already broke down earlier. He's had a hell of the summer. It was pretty rough. And in his mind, obviously, everything culminated when Emmy got the promotion. I imagine that he probably said the Will and Emmy are going to break up the night that Emmy got the promotion. That's probably the night that we're referencing when Ari is back there talking about this. So, yeah, in the heat of the moment, he probably said something like that. But then when he sits down and does the confessional, it says to me that him and Will never

squashed anything. So he's still, him and Will are still at odds. As long as they're at odds, he's not going to say, you know what, I put my foot in my mouth. I said something stupid when I was drunk or I said something stupid when I was angry about this and I take all of it back. You know, they're my best friends and I want to see them happy. Which is what he kind of said to Emmy.

He talks a little softer to her. But when it comes to Will, he's not doing any of that. So that says to me that they're still at odds or at least during the filming, they were still at odds. So that's why he doubled down on the confessional. Okay. I can get on board with that. That makes sense to me. But moving on, we get to Will's house with his mom and

he's getting ready to go to law school. He's got all this shit ordered. They're just kind of talking about logistics and things like that and it gets to Joe and you know the issues that he's been having with him and then he starts talking about things he's going to miss about Charleston he names people doesn't name Emmy and his mom's like and Emmy is like well yeah duh and then he says a very interesting line he says I'm not going to let anyone hold me back now this can mean a lot of things before I do my theory on this because mine is a little bit more gentle

because I do think that they love each other and I don't think that he wants out so I want to hear what your take on the scene was I don't think he wants out I think at first I thought that the production kind of fucked him a little bit on that one they might have but he still didn't say to his mom to the point that his mom had to bring it up

it was just odd to see him say I don't want anyone to hold or I don't I'm not going to let anything or anyone hold me back on the anything he said anyone on the tales of forgetting to say emmy like that was sort of my issue with that where it's okay like you have to realize at this point the conversations on the show that you've had about your girlfriend and that they're not great like you're your one-on-one conversations with your parents not super great not not portrayed awesome and you're saying things with confidence very weird to see I still think I'm on your side I still think that you know

they're in love and that's that's fine I think that he's of this mentality right now love and that's fine whatever

yeah that's what you want they're in love that's fine anyway but I think he's of the mentality and maybe

maybe he's just fucking nervous maybe he's nervous to go away because he hadn't really gone anywhere now he's going to law school

he's finally doing what he said that he was going to do for a couple of years now it's finally coming to a point that he's got to leave and he has to be by himself and maybe

he's a little scared about that. So that's probably why he's just, maybe he's just talking himself up a little bit saying, I'm not going to let anyone hold me back while I'm here because I need to go do my shit. That could be it if I'm being nice. So it leads me... You're going to be nice? Look, Will's not the villain of the show, so I'm not going to go after him.

So this leads me into my theory, actually, very well. So well said, here's my theory. Young William is an intelligent guy. I hate the way this start it's a successful guy right he's probably the smartest guy in school he's definitely the smartest guy at republic as he highlights later which is funny but here's what i think genuinely jokes aside i think that he's been in this weird transitional phase for a long time and you know he's kind

of played growing up with with emmy where they're both you know they're working at a bar but now it's starting to get more serious for emmy's got the a gm role and i think that at the place in their life that they were last season at the end where emmy's kind of pushing him to go to law school like it's time for you to start your life this is what you want this is what we want and it's okay if like that's what they both want so i think that in this moment what we're seeing now that's becoming real i think that will is stepping into what he believes is like okay well it's time for me to man up like it's time for me to take my life by the reins and i'm not going to let anything or anyone hold me back i think this is almost bravado where he's like i'm forging my path in the world and i'm not going to let

anything or anybody and i think in this moment he he means emmy as well but But I don't think it was like, I don't need her anymore. I think it's more so like, I wasn't like a leave behind. Right. It's more so like, I'm going to go do what the fuck I have to do. It's time for me to do that. And if our relationship is a casualty of this, like I have to do what's right for me in this moment to start my real life. And I think that that's what that was.

And I think that it's probably, again, a culmination of a lot of things and conversations he's had with his dad. And I think if you look back at those conversations and frame it that way, the conversation with his, dad where it's like oh that's not great like what you're saying about emmy's not great but if you look it in the frame of like he's been stalling for seven years ever since he graduated college to go to law school so i think that when i watch it in that light i think that that makes sense to me where it's like it's time for me to fucking move on be a man go out in the world do my thing and nothing's going to stop me yeah that's a good point we also aren't sure exactly what the relationship is between will and his dad true he could have also seen

I know that there's dads out there to do this you're don't let you know your girlfriend or your relationship be a weakness you're finally going and doing this so like I'm not going to bring up my girlfriend in this it could be I don't fucking know well I just how I don't know I don't know you're the one you said young William and then you like crossed your legs and got all

like therapist yeah I didn't like that I hated all of that it was a hole in your sock and it's like pointing at me so whatever you can oh my socks are yeah you could call my socks Jesus without holy they are. It's really fucking close to my knee. I'm going to have to move. You didn't hear my joke.

What? I said you could call my socks Jesus without holy they are. It's who's this to you, pal. But we finally get to the party for Will, the Will party slash the Fourth of July bash. We'll call it that. The Fourth Will bash.

For Will? Fourth Will? You're trying. I'm trying. I got to give you some credit. Look, I'll take you. I'll take what I can get. The first thing we have is Joe talking to TJ and Brad,

and this is kind of where you get more of a read on where Joe is mentally, I think, right now. For the first real time, and we've seen hints of it. We haven't had a flat-out conversation where he's like not doing great guys. And I think that this was it because he starts out. He's like, you know, Will laid into me. Like, really let me have it.

And Brad, and this is probably the two best people for him to talk to in this moment. It's Will and him on the outs. Because these guys are going to tell you exactly. happy what they're thinking they're not trying to be dicks they're just trying to let you know like hey you've been slipping you really been slipping lately that's what they both say like brad's like yeah well deserved dude and even tj that's when we get like i feel like you say whatever the person in front he wants to hear so this is all stuff that joe needed to hear and brad finishes it well he's like dude be a man own it and get your shit together and i think that's what we all want we want joe to like

just get your shit together dude you're unraveling right now and you're not going about it the right way like these are the guys you should probably surround yourself with right now tj brad guys are going to tell you like it is not jumping back and forth between people but you know it is what it is and we get to the party and this is when trevor arrives and i just wrote yay in my book and i have a dumb question before we get started oh fun so before the pool party right and it was a pool party i guess it was raining it doesn't it always seem to rain when they have events i yeah it does doesn't that weird how about that not weird and trevor's always there too when it rains well Well, when it rains a porous.

I don't even know if that's true. Here we go. The girls were putting on makeup and stuff, and Will asked Emmy if she was going to go in the pool, and she said, yeah. Yeah. That has makeup work in the pool. I'm 99.9% sure that in this day and age,

they make water-resistant makeup. But like that much water-resistant? Like, water-resistant, you know, you go under. Water, that's different. What do you think they're doing, scuba diving? They're not in the rain. They're in a house. Well, water-resistant to me means, like, it's going to rain a little bit,

but, like, my makeup's going to be cool. Not, I'm going to go in the pool for a long period of time and go underwater. They're probably not... How many pool parties have you been to in your adult life? Genuinely, I'm not... Because you've probably been to a few. Probably more than 10, less than 20. Okay.

Yeah. Great number. How many of those parties were you submerged for more than a minute? What? Have you seen me in a pool? All the time, dude. You throw some rings at the bottom of the pool? I'm fucking swimming.

You're fucking, I forgot about the pool guy. You and Kev. Yeah, dude. The pool boys. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, you're a dumb person to ask. You throw something at the bottom of the pool.

I'm going to get it. Normal human beings that go to pool parties and they're adult, aka losers. Okay, fine. That don't have fun in the pool. Then you lounge in the pool. I don't put makeup ball. You know, oh, splash you guys. Maybe something.

Yeah, that would be water resistant. If you get a little splash from the cannonball, no, if you should water is in the makeup. No, if you wear a watch that is water resistant, can you go underwater? That is not the same thing as makeup. What do you mean? Not the same thing as makeup. What are you defending right now?

Why are you so shit? Water resistant watch can go underwater. Sure. Dude, there's makeup that you can wear underwater. Okay. Prove it. I guarantee dev's got some shit upstairs. I'm about to go put it on and dunk my face.

Be like, she told you. Do it. If enough people respond to this, we'll make a video. Well, people will respond to it. Yeah. And I'll hear them out. Yeah. I don't want to hear you out.

No. If you want to see me put makeup on and dunk my head and prove this idiot wrong. I wouldn't trust you. You'll be there. Yeah. Still. Where were we? You derailed me with this shit. Trevor arrived.

Trevor arrived. With the rain. Yes. And so we get to a quick clip of Chi Lilly. And this is why she's just great for the show. She's, you know, living her best life post Liam. And she's flirting with this dude, one of, I think Joe's friends or somebody's friend is there. And she's flirting with him a little bit.

And she just. She's having an evulsion. An evulsion, which should be a word. That's a good word. We do talk about it. We had one last week that definitely should be a word. Oh, you texted it to me. It was degeneracy.

That is a word. It is. That is a correct. Yeah, that's a proper word. No, we'll be... That's a proper word. We make up... Should I cross my legs when I say proper word?

Yes, it's a proper word. Yeah, no. Evulsion, no, evolution. It's fine. It's good as this. No, it is. I'm just saying we should add another one. Yeah, why not?

Just make up more words. Let's just keep going. I think a dictionary. Dictionary now. Yeat is, yeah. Which is unfortunate. But anyway, we check in. John, though.

That's a great word. I didn't like that. Something just came up. We got a quick check-in with Joe again, and this is where we hear flat out from, he's talking to Maddie, and she's like, are you okay, Joe? And he says, this is the least okay.

I've been in my life, which is alarming. And that's like, I don't know. Is that alarming or is that like, all right, you've lived a pretty good life? Well, look, I'm not speaking from what's happened. I'm speaking from more of like a mental standpoint. Like, who am I to say, like, where his mental state is right now? Because, like, I'm not jealous. Like, we watch this whole show.

If that's the worst that he's ever been in his life, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of positives there. I'm just saying from a mental standpoint, it's hard to really know. That's all. I'm trying to be sympathetic here. but yeah i mean it's a pretty solid you're on yachts and stuff you're like cool houses your friends are a little mad at you you're doing some dumb shit here and there no you'll hopefully you guys get there i saw them like pictures of the reunion they seem to all be vibing somewhat again we'll see i do think that he's going to have a rough reunion i think he's going to be

you have to have a target especially reunion one i think he's going to be patient zero i don't i think mattie should be patient zero i think she'll get her fair heat too but i think joe he gets more than she does that's insane well here's the thing Maddie, I don't see anybody reasoning with her and, like, changing her mind. I think if you go after Joe, you're going to catch him and get him caught up, and he's going to get up. Maddie also broke up with Trevor before the reunion, so. It's going to be an interesting reunion.

I'm excited for it. But this is when Brad makes the move of the season. He definitely gets, like, MVP of this episode for this move. Like, he brings Sammy to the party, which is messy as shit, and we fucking love it. Like, that was such a great call. and I'm trying to read people now and knowing what I know now it's a very different take on the scene

but when they walked in I'm looking at people's body language and all that shit I'm like is Trevor panicking right now like is he doing laps is he trying to like get Maddie out of the room and lo and behold none of that fucking matters because the funniest part is we've been hearing these two talk

as though Brad and the rest of the group is conspiring against Trevor and Maddie they have this elaborate plan to break them up like they care enough to do that again I really want to emphasize that we talked about it last week understand what you're saying right now that's a lot of time and effort to put into breaking up somebody's relationship just because you started a rumor last year like there's a lot of moving parts and that's like a like a B-Lill uh B-roll B-Lill B-L a B-roll like movie plot like oh we're going to come up with this master plan where you like make out and like don't actually make out where to break up this relationship

and Charleston bit of a bit. Yeah. It's really funny when you hear Brad talk about it too because Brad's saying, I thought we were done with all this bullshit. Like once he was vindicated when everybody realized that Maddie just completely made up the whole dumpster story. He's done. He's done.

He was fine with that. And he knows that he's not close to Maddie. He knows that that friendship is probably never going to come back to him. And that's okay. He's accepted that. He didn't think that this was going to blow back up in his face for no fucking reason. Because dumb and dumber have a phone call. Yeah.

Like, if you, they want, an illegal phone call. An illegal phone call. Why do you think they were so weird about it? But, like, that's the thing. Like, if you want peace, Maddie and Trevor, shut the fuck up, guys. Just shut up.

Stop talking. There's a lot of people on Bravo right now that just need to simply shut the fuck up. These two are one of them. You brought this on yourself because you want vindication for something he probably did. I disagree.

I think they should keep talking because this made for very good TV. I'm saying in light. Keep doing dumb shit. I'm just saying, I'm having a great time. But let's talk about Joe, Emmy, and Will first, and then we'll talk about this elaborate scheme that, you know, these two idiots cooked up, these idiots being Trevor and Maddie.

But Joe and Emmy have a conversation. And Emmy is pragmatic and approachable and trying to talk to her friend. Like, this is her friend who has been a huge dick to her. Like, if you really cared about her, then, yeah, like you said, could you be jealous about the promotion? Sure. Could you talk a little shit to your coworkers the day, of yeah okay fine you're feeling a certain way shit happens the fact that you can't get over

yourself and get out of your own way to support your friend and congratulate her and at the very very least like just be cool with it like be cool with it so she's cool that's a big problem right and the second part of it is you have been challenging their relationship for whatever reason this entire season and i think that that is also reflective of where he is in his life and it goes back to what you were saying, you know, Will's going to law school. Him and Emmy are solid. They have a future. They have a plan. They have all these things, this idea of stability in their future and some certainties, I guess. I mean, obviously, there's still a lot of things that have to happen, but there's a path there. Joe's still

trying to find his way. And I think that that's why he went on the offense and tried to talk shit about these two in their relationship. I think that it made him feel better maybe about where he was. What do you think? I kind of have a question. I kind of want to ask you if you feel the same way. Who is Joe closer to? Will or Emmy? Because he refers to Emmy as his little sister.

I think Will, at least last year, that's what it seemed like. I think he's close with Maddie or sorry, Emmy as a product of his relationship with Bill, but I'm not sure. Something came back up when Joe was talking in his confessional, referring to the night that him, Will, and O'Sheen went out. And Will was in the bathroom with that girl. Yeah. Is it conceivable to think that Joe is pissed off that Will potentially cheated on Emmy in front of his eyes?

And he didn't have the words or actions to kind of bring that situation to light. And so this is his way about it because he wants to defend Emmy and he doesn't know how to do it. So that's why he went after the relationship? Maybe, but I also, I don't know, because that's, I think. That's why I was wondering, because if he's closer to Emmy and he sees her as a little sister and he saw Will do that, it could make sense that he was trying to do that in his own Joe way. Maybe, but again, I think it comes back to whoever's in front of him. He's going to want to say the right thing to them.

I get that, too. And he also went down the path, which didn't really make any sense. And this is what I was referencing earlier, where he wasn't just saying what Emmy wanted to hear. He wasn't just apologizing because Emmy had a very good point and kind of broke everything down very succinctly. He immediately goes on the offensive and says, you've been acting egotistical and arrogant this entire summer, which we didn't really see I mean we saw her have drive and want to

get a job and move up in her career move up in her career which you know fucking sue me if that's what you want to do but yeah I mean I didn't see any of that so that didn't really make any sense to me so if he had kind of broken it down a little bit differently maybe I would have seen it a little

different but him going after Emmy after she just broke that down and the other thing is the way that she posed the conversation with Joe it gave Joe an hour It gave Joe a way to say, okay, yeah, no, I see what you're saying. I've had a really rough summer. I'm sorry.

I didn't really know what I was doing. There's a lot of things going on, but I don't want to lose you guys as friends. That would have been enough because, I mean, even still, after he went through calling her arrogant the whole summer, they still essentially squashed it and gave each other a hug. He apologizes and says, I'm projecting my frustrations. Now, I do love that Emmy ended the conversation with, you've got an uphill battle when it comes to will, though. You've got another thing coming when you go over there. Which is fair.

And that's, I guess, where we're going to lead into right now. Yeah, and that's when we get to Will and Joe. And the one thing about Will is when he's lit, he's a little firecracker. He does not have conversations in contention well when he's drunk. He comes in immediately mad. And look, in this situation, he has every right to come into this conversation, mad. Because, yeah, Joe's been talking shit behind your back for the entire summer, been talking shit about your relationship, telling people that you're going to fail.

Like, yeah, that would piss me off, too. I would enter the conversation the same way. way nothing really gets accomplished here and i think the biggest thing is will is founded in his arguments with all of this like let's take the the cheating rumor aside right like that's out of this equation for now he has every right to be as pissed off as he is and that's why it's difficult with a drunk will in this situation because no matter what joe is going to say i think that he's going to kind of go after him and not that we really didn't see joe able to get a word And again, not that he should have been able to.

Like, I still think that Will's justified in all of his emotions here. It's just this timing to have the conversation, even as they're walking outside, Will's like, oh, yeah, let's talk, Joe. Let's talk, Joe. Like, kind of getting hyped up. So I think the timing of the conversation was shitty. It should have been probably had the next day. But again, he's trying to squash it before Will leaves.

But I definitely think that there's a way through here for these two. And I think that by squashing it with Emmy initially, he's going to have some support in this because I think Emmy knows how close these guys were and how his friendship is to them. So she's going to advocate for them to squash it in some way, shape, or form. It's more so going to come down to can Joe take accountability without going on the defensive?

Ken will trust him to not, you know, and I think this goes for everybody in the group when it comes to what Joe are we going to get next year. Can he figure out a way to prove to this group? And as Emmy says, actions speak louder than words. What are you going to do to prove to everybody that you're not going to go from me and talk shit to them about what I just told you? How do we know that, like, you are back in this

circle of trust, if you will? Well, I mean, you can't really let him back into the circle of trust. It's kind of a catch-22, honestly. There's no way for him to prove that. And there's also no way for them to know without letting him back into the circle. So at some point, they're going to have to let him back in because, look, at the end of the day, food and Bev, they are a close-knit group and they start talking shit on everybody food and beb for rev yeah good shirt that's a good shirt let's add it to the list that's i mean that's it's inevitable you're going to come back next season everybody who's still at republic is going to start talking shit on one or two different people and there's going to be group chats and you're going to go on trips and it's just going to happen eventually

i just hope that joe has learned from this season that you can't play both sides you can't be a people pleaser do what's best for you and maybe while you're at work and obviously it's a lot of fun whatever, keep your head down and work. That's what you want. You want to go get that promotion. You want to do this and that and whatever. Then just do it. Like, it's not, like, don't look at other people as opponents.

Look at them as your friends. Nike. Because at the end of the day, if you do get promoted, they'll be happy for you. And then you're going to feel like shit because when other people got promoted, you were pissed off about it. So that's, you know, that's what's coming for you. But you do have to learn from everything that's going on. I don't know when it comes to having a conversation like this with Will.

You already pointed out when he gets lit, he's he is a little firecracker but at the same time that is a really good time to squash things people are a little lit it can go either way I know it's either the best opportunity because it's either the most emotional

bro talk yeah that's what I was expecting you know the close fist bro hug yeah that's what I wanted I wanted that so bad because those are great moments I think they could have gotten there if Joe didn't walk away nah I think the will is going to keep you think so he and off on him yeah that's wishful which is fair because

it's the other thing it's fair it's fair I think, I don't know. I mean, you kind of have to have that conversation, especially after you have a conversation with Emmy and it ends well. Yeah. You get a little bit of oomph in your step and you're like, all right, I can handle this. I'll go talk to one right now. I'm almost there. I'm almost there.

Halfway there, baby. And then Will just absolutely crushes you. But, yeah, I don't think they were ever going to get there that night. It could have gone either way. And it went the wrong way. It went south. But, yeah, I do look forward to that moment where they come back together. And we get a, there's something to be said about a good bro hug.

And you'll know when you see it. If you're not sure what that is, it's a close. fist and you give him like two or three hard closed fist pats on the back. That's a bro-ho. We are, I assume we're going to get Will back next year because it is the summer. They do film maybe the second half of the season he'll come back or... Yeah, but I think it also opens up an interesting opportunity if they can do it the right way of let's go visit Will at law school, like the last week of his semester or whatever and

then they come back to Charleston. I don't want to spend too much time at law school. I'm just saying... Yeah, it sounds boring. Well, it's going to be part of the show if he's still going to be on the show unless he, like, takes on more of a friend-of-roll, which I don't see that happening because he's a mainstay on the show right now.

Yeah, I don't want to go to law school. And fuck that. No, not me, person. I meant, like, TV-wise. Oh. I don't give a shit. I don't know. You can check in with them and just say, like,

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Let's get to Sammy and Maddie. And the first interaction we saw with this was I don't know how some of these people are so cool, calm and collected in some of these moments because Maddie's tone, as she's leading Sammy out of the house, I would have stopped dead in my tracks and been like, fuck you. Like, I'm not following you anywhere. You're not going to talk to me. At the same time, Sammy probably saw it as an opportunity. Like, the cameras are going to be there. What if she does go crazy? The cameras are right there.

This is a good opportunity for me to just look level-headed. And she did. And like, but my whole point is just like impulse control. Like I'm pretty mellow for the majority of my life until I go on a rant on here, my blood pressure spikes. Yeah. But the tone, the tone that she was talking in, I was like, whoa, that's fucked up. I just thought it was really mean. But she leads her out of the house and shuts the door and we get a phenomenal scene.

I love this. She's talking mad shit through the glass. It's soundproof. You can't hear a goddamn thing. That was the best. Mia goes out to try to consult. Sammy. Be like, what the fuck just happens? She locks him both out. Sammy was calm, cool and collected.

She's like, yeah, she just locked me out. I'm not one in here. It's okay. It's not that big of a deal. No, no, you can come back in. Maddie's screaming through the door and yelling and yelling and you can't hear a thing. Which, by the way, great glass, Jane. Nice job. Shout out Jamie with that house. Thanks for having us there, pal. But great glass, couldn't hear a thing. And Mia's just pointing at her ears. Like, we have no idea what's going on.

Sammy's just smiling. Like, at that point, and that's one of my favorite things, when somebody is very clearly crazy, there's nothing you can do about it. You just kind of smile. You just kind of laugh a little bit. Like, okay, this is what I'm competing with. Like, I don't have to deal with this anymore.

I have no rebuttal. Everybody else, and that's the funny thing. Everybody knows this story. Everybody, even if you believe that Sammy and Brad were sitting there conniving and trying to set this whole thing up and you see Maddie like losing her fucking lid like all of her friends were seeing,

she still looks like the crazy one. Yep. You can't take it to that level. And while I'll agree, leading her out of the house and locking her out is very fucking funny. Very funny. Very funny move. Thereafter is the wrong move. Yes.

You screaming through the door when they can't even hear you and then doing it again when Mia goes outside, stupid. You look fucking nuts. But I was laughing too because she takes her outside and locks the door as if that's going, you're out now. Yeah. It's a fucking house with a yard. I'm sure there's side doors. I'm sure there's a fucking another step and like called an Uber and then led her to the Uber and then sent her away. Call the cops.

If she had had a conversation with her. Tell the cops. She's got drugs on her. That, whoa. All right. I took it too far. Sorry, guys. If there had been a moment where she stopped in, like, the foyer.

Foye. You like that. You can cross your legs that time. No, I didn't. Foyer. And, like, she talked to her for, like, two or three minutes. And then he goes, let's finish this conversation outside. Shuts the door as the Uber pulls up.

That would have been great. That would have been good. That would have been good. Take notes, guys. If you're listening, take notes. That would be. Take her to an animal shelter. her.

I mean, I think when she's in the car, she can probably dictate where she wants to go. She has to get in the car. Why would she even get in that car? We actually have to have this conversation somewhere else. Meet me at the docks.

But I can't stand to sit in it over with you. Yeah. Meet me at the docks at 0600. But this is where we get to find out about the craziest thing I've heard in a very long time. We find out that the majority of the last three episodes,

all of the drama that Maddie has produced has been just that, produced. She was on this phone call with Trevor the whole time, which means she played Joe like a fucking fiddle. I'm glad that Joe didn't bite. I'm glad that he was like, this seems kind of fishy when he heard the phone call the first time. But she's sitting in front of him crying

as though she just found out of it. She's crying. Like that is so fucking manipulative to try to get Joe on your side. Not only that, take it back another step. The entire scene where Trevor and Maddie are sitting at lunch yeah that's fake oh for the camera the conversation already happens think about that they already sat in on the phone conversation so trevor sitting there acting like he called her the other night while they were in miami and got this whole thing going no it probably happens you know

what oh no probably happens the night that he pulled up and picked her up it happened before that it happened before miami or miami that's my point dude she knew he was going to oh yeah all through Miami because grace lily spilled the beans twice um mattie mattie shout out trevor shout out gee lily she's can we call mattie right now to try to figure out i don't know what i'm just sorry gee lily don't ever change you're great but this whole entire thing has been scripted by these two idiots and that is terrifying genuinely and if you think that this is a good relationship if you're willing to go to these lengths to prove a fucking point because your boyfriend at the end of the day was still in a bad spot by his own doing that's what's so crazy that's what gets lost in all of this you are in this

position because of the position that trevor was in whether they made out or not there's a video of her reaching for him and he said oh you grab my dick and laughing yep if that happens and you're in a good relationship and someone does that you say yo what the fuck and turn around and walk the fuck away. Like, the root of the issue here is not the crazy conspiracy that you think Brad has against you. The root of the issue will always and forever be your douchebag boyfriend that puts you in bad spots because he's an idiot. Nah, it's not anymore. She's just bad. I agree. They're meant for each other. I'm actually said they broke up. Because look, there's two crazy people, let them go together and then we'll send them off somewhere. But do you think

they don't have to worry about other people getting involved? Do you think that that is actually Maddie? Because if you go back and watch, and I don't know, because you go back and watch before Trevor entered the picture, like literally go back to the episode that he rides up on a stupid fucking bike taxi, although he can afford whatever house he's living in down there, driving a fucking bike taxi, go back and watch when he enters, okay? She changes night and day from the first four episodes or whatever when Trevor comes back. I know what you're saying, and I understand it, and I appreciate the view. But you can't defend her actions. Fuck, no. Yeah, you're right.

Like, she doesn't deserve for us to have this conversation after what we just watch. No, I mean, it's a little bit of it's scary. It's fucking scary. As funny as it was, and as much as I was cackling at the end of the episode, especially when they showed that graphic, it doesn't matter. Like, they did this for three episodes. They made up an entire story for big scenes, probably longer, yeah. So let's say the entire second half of the season was completely.

fake from Maddie. Why would I figure for that? Yeah, you're right. You can't do fake shit on TV like that. Well, I mean, that's not go too far, but... Can't do that. We see it all the time. It's called the real Southern hospitality.

Nope. No, I don't think so. It's reality TV, okay? Real... Fakeality TV. Real it. Why? TV. Yeah, there you go. But, I don't know.

I mean, you're right. Like, there's a big, big argument to be said for that, that at a certain point, you can't hide behind. to the toxic relationship anymore, especially when you come up. And I guess that is my biggest question. At what point are you watching this back or at the reunion or are you talking to a good, like an actual good friend of yours that knows you and say, yo, you put this whole plan together and you think that you're good?

That's the problem with that. I don't think that she has friends that do that. I don't know who that other girl was, the girl in the blue dress, but she was like rooting for her the entire time. She's fucking annoying. She doesn't need to come back on TV. And G. Lilly's just there. She doesn't know what her role is, really, but, you know, she's happy to be there.

She's not going to say anything mean. She's going to, like, try to keep people light and wave you, baby, but... But she's not going to have that real conversation with it. No, but, you know, who would? It's like, T.J., Brad, Emmy, like, the people that you've lost all the ones that would check you. And they're gone because of this. I think T.J. could probably see through it. I think T.J. because, one, I don't think she vindictively went after Brad.

So, like, Brad shouldn't fucking do it. Fuck that. No, and he shouldn't because of that lie that she should. she created last year but like I guess that's where we get that weird boundary between show in real life where it's like at what point does a friend forego like we're shooting a show and be like yo dude this is kind of fucked up like are you sure you're good because this kind of behavior is pretty crazy you came up with a plan that resulted in Trevor flying to Miami to surprise you in this car all stemming from this phone call that you two illegally recorded yeah to get some kind of evidence that we still really didn't get.

The vindication's not there. What she said, she didn't say, Brad and I set this whole thing up. What she said was she felt bad for being part of it. I'd love to see the two of them on that conversation because there's nothing there that says that Trevor was correct. There's nothing there that says that he was telling the truth or that Brad said anything up. We've yet to see any evidence. And Sammy's sitting there saying that she never said any of those things.

We only saw a snippet of the conversation. Maddie's still sitting there saying it was a three-minute conversation and she knows because she was on the phone 20 minutes but sammy says that it was 20 minutes which i believe confessional mattie says it was 30 minutes yeah so i the whole thing is just fucking nuts and it's one thing from the tv standpoint like you were saying if mattie was sitting there laughing about it and it's like okay this was just a play and it's you know she wanted to do this for tv i understand that to an extent and it's like okay this isn't like a mental health thing going on right now this is you were just trying to do some shit for tv i understand that i get that whatever

Don't do it again. No. Because that pisses me off. But I understand it. She was sitting there like maniacally laughing and screaming and she looked unhinged. She grabbed her to try to drive it back to talk to her boyfriend. Oh, you're going to talk to him. It's like, dude, stop.

Why would I talk to him? He filmed me on conversation, like on the phone. Like, no. You both did. You fucking weirdo. Like I'm probably going to bounce now because I feel unsafe because you guys are going to follow me home. Yeah, I just can't see anybody. And that's what's going to be really interesting to see for the reunion.

I can't see anybody coming. to her defense. I don't know. There might be, I mean, Grace Lilly, of course, maybe somebody's going to have like a softer heart and say pretty much what we've said all season where Trevor is completely, yeah. And now that they're broken up,

she's trying to figure out and like fix her friendships or whatever. I think we're going to get a lot of that. I just don't know how anybody can sit there on those couches and defend her. I don't think you can. And I don't think that we're going to see a lot of that. I think, like you said, gee, Lily will jump in from time to time and just be like, no, she's going. good or like lay off of her i think she'll like play that role but i don't think anyone's gonna have a lot

to say in regards to now she was going through a lot like that's inherent we got that we understand that they were trying to be there for you you mistook it for them conniving behind your back to try to break up your relationship and in part maybe they were because they didn't think that this was the best relationship for you so that's fine yeah and like it wasn't the good relationship not like look what it resulted in yeah like this is what it led you to this summer that you've had which was a disaster from start to finish, alienated from your friends, not getting promoted at work.

Again, we're not going to say you weren't doing a good job because production could be framing it that you seemed like you were flaky when you actually weren't. We don't know. We don't have the punch cards. But if this is how you are now living your life as a result of this relationship to where you're coming up with elaborate villain schemes

to get back at your friends, like that's not worth your time. Life is entirely too short to come up with wacky plans and execute it with your douchebag boyfriend. Agreed. But all in all, fucking phenomenal finale. I'm excited for their first reunion ever. I think they're going to bring it. That takes us to the question portion.

And by the amount of questions we have this week compared to the last two weeks, you guys are buying in. And that brings me to another funny point. I was reading comments on the Sandival video I posted yesterday. Yeah. So many people are saying in the comments. Like, has anybody else started watching Soho? It's the new Vanderpump, is this and that, and this and that. Buzz.

We have buzz. We've been in the show since day one. We need buzz. But we like Buzz. We get paid by Soho. Soho pays my mortgage. Not really, but level, what's up? You want to pay my mortgage?

We'll be on your payroll. From up first, Miranda E412. Do you think Maddie is lying and trying to make up her own storyline? Being that she wasn't actually, I actually had this thought that she wasn't actually on the phone call with Trevor. I had this thought immediately. Yeah, and she was just covering for him for whatever fucking reason. But watching Trevor, and this is your biggest thing with the body language, it looked like she was telling the truth.

Honestly, like Trevor was always around, but he was more curious to see what they were going to talk about than anything else. I think she was on the phone. Yeah, I do too, unfortunately. To answer your question, is she trying to make up her own storyline? I don't think that this was even storyline-centric. I don't think that thought crossed her mind. I think this was revenge. I think that's all this was because she felt slighted by her friends.

From Lauren 3D, do you think there should have been more episodes post-reveal of Maddie Puppeteering? No. Nope. This was perfect. Absolutely perfect. That would go in the same. And again,

we're doing the- Pick up the cameras again thing. Yeah, and we're also doing the Salt Lake parallels here too, because, again, it's a great finale and something that we talked about for so long finally came to a head and it was great. Do you want cameras to pick up after Monica gets revealed

as you know what she was doing no i don't it was perfect it's a good ending and then we go right to the reunion yeah sometimes you can just leave it at like uh semi cliffhanger and just applaud it for a fucking great episode from see right fam six interesting is joe bradley the new schwartz and does that make mattie the new stossier doty uh no to mattie but is joe bradley like schwartz No. No, that's so mean. No, no, no. Not in a lot of different regards. I'm more saying where he's the people pleaser and kind of gets caught in the middle and plays, tries to just play both sides. That we do see. But yeah, I guess what you're saying, all encompassing Schwartz? No, not at all.

Yeah, no. The middleman, kind of. Kind of. It's still, I mean, it's still so early. You can't. That's also true, too. I don't know. We're only, we got, that's the funny thing, because we've only got two seasons to work with. We've seen drastically different people from season one to season two in some of these characters. So, like, it's a 50-50 chance that they're one way or the other. We don't know yet.

But from Golden Midge, how on earth does Maddie come back? No credibility attempted to put hands on Sammy. Well, I mean, she's obviously going to come back because she broke up with Trevor. I think if her and Trevor were still together, we might not see Maddie next year because people would force themselves. But, like, I guess if she still works there, you can always bring her back. I'm just thinking about who actually wants to film with her after seeing something like that. She could have her, I guess, redemption arc over the next couple of months and until now, before the season picks back up again. So I think you bring her back regardless.

I think either way you bring her back. I mean, she was good for two. You can't argue about anything this season, honestly. Like, they did a great job. The only question mark who is a character that we really like. on this show is Mia. Just like, where does she fit in now is kind of the... She's going to have to come back and work there.

In some capacity, right? Like, that's what I'm thinking. I just don't see, like, she's great. She really is, but how does she fit with this group now? And if she doesn't, then, again, like, we don't really want to see people who aren't working there. Like, that's the problem. Like, when we see Mia, things great for her, but it doesn't do anything for the show.

Exactly it. It's like, oh, cool, awesome. We're happy for you. But what's the implications on the rest of the group? from oh I like this one a lot from carberry vodka interesting name what happened with mckell and mattie for him to come clean to bradley about blowjob alley i don't know because we didn't get enough mckell we got no mackle we didn't get enough mackle which is unfortunate because we love mackle i will say from seeing his

instagram i think that he's been having i think he's been doing a lot of soul searching this last year and I saw a thing where he wasn't drinking and we saw that on the show and he did like a 30 day retreat for his church like I think he's really trying to get his life centered and on a path that he likes so while we love mckell in our screens I'm happy for him that he's taken care of himself and hopefully that leads to more mckell next year a happier mckell yeah I think at the end of the day we still have a lot of people on the show that are friends with mckell yeah so the door still open yeah so at the very least even if maybe him not being on the show is good for whatever he's trying to do with his life, he could still pop in and

out and do what he was doing. I just want a little more frequency because every time that he's on screen, it's great. He's always saying he always has an opinion about something that we usually agree with, and he always furthers the storyline a little bit more. I like him the most because he can adjust his point of view when presented with new evidence. Like when he learns something new, such as, like, he sees the video of Trevor and that girl reaching for his crotch, he's like, oh, man, and his entire view flipped. So my answer to your question, Carberry Vodka, is I think that they have seen Maddie

push away from the group and be an asshole to a lot of them and shut them off and shut herself off. And I think that whatever loyalty he had in, I need to stand up for my girl, I think that went out the window because he saw Brad getting slighted and now Brad brought it to his attention. I think that it takes a man to step up. And it takes a good friend to step up in that moment with Brad and be like, hey, man, this is why I did it. And I'm sorry. So I think it was more so his friendship with Maddie not being 100% anymore.

And also his friendship with Bradley, he wanted to honor that and just come clean. One more. Last one from Karina D. No question, but just got tickets for the Boston show from me and my husband. Yay. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Is he a Bravo fan?

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or if we need to convert him when he comes to the show because then I have an agenda. Church of the brav-brows. We've got to convert. Oh, man. The father, the son, the grand, Dom.

Stop making it about Potomac. Nobody gives a shit about Potomac. Andy, the Cohen, the Grand, the Don. Um, nobody cares about it. And you do one. It would, it would probably just be a, but it would be forward. Rob Hall, Roslick, Rowan, Rom. There you go.

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