Bros & Shows - "AfterBATH? No Thanks I Only Take Fake Showies" (Summer House: Aftermath Full Recap)

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

What's up bros? Well we're now finally done with all of this and after getting absolutely nothing at the reunion out of the two in question, we thought maybe, just maybe we'd get something of substance out of these two but nope. Billing this up to be some all time special sit down where we'd finally get them to open up about everything was an absolute sham. They just spouted the same sad victim stories without any regard for any one else's feelings and we're still here wondering if we'll ever get anything useful or remorseful out of them. But whatever, stretch it into another episode guys! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Okay. I cooked for seven hours today. Okay. We recorded two episodes earlier. I had to wash my trash can out because it was covered in maggots. Ah, yeah. And then immediately after that to watch whatever the fuck that was. And now we are recording our third episode.

That's my day. And it's because of these two idiots from Summerhouse. And now I have to sit here and dissect. whatever the fuck that was. And it was a bunch of shenanigans and a bunch of nonsense giving these two dumbasses a platform so they can try and tell their side of things. Guess what? I don't give a shit.

And now I'm grumpy. Guess what? We already did that three times and you guys didn't do dick. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man. It's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight.

I shine. Just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. And welcome back to our last installment of this summer house disaster. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only for the last time.

At least I hope for the last time. Sherlock Magoutz. What's up, dude? No, we're definitely going to have the season 10 fiasco of like Southern hospitality or something. Oh, yeah, we'll get sure luck. But that'll be exciting to bring you back that. It'll be like a five-year hiatus and be like, oh my God, he's back.

Sure luck, Goots. That'd be great. If that happens, I'll definitely dress up in costume, as long as it's not as hot as it's been. Quick question. Yeah. Did we need that? No.

At all? No. Yeah. This isn't just, you know, three episodes talking. This is, I want to have a deeper conversation about was this all going to set up the way that it was? Did they already have this planned out?

Did they want to do some weird and formal thing to try to drag this out for ratings as much as possible? Did they kind of see that and concoct this plan during the reunion when they realized that West and Amanda were so drugged up to the gills that they weren't going to say anything? They don't remember the fucking reunion. Yeah, yeah, because when people yell at me, I forget things.

When I take drugs, I forget things, allegedly. It's so much better. Like, I still would have been like, all right, like, whatever. But yeah, when people yell at me, I just tend to forget things. I just shelter in place. It's like, okay. Yeah, I don't know. In my brain, no one can tell me otherwise.

I don't care. Just like no one can tell me otherwise that the Jennifer Lawrence thing is also a sham. I don't care. It was a fun little story. There's no fucking chance that Jennifer Lawrence figured out that someone. poor production person who heard Amanda talking, who recorded it, who was probably put up to it by whatever. This was concocted halfway through the reunion. We're not getting anything out of them. Let's have a sit down. Let's do something informal. Miha, she's on FaceTime. Let's give her a little bit of

face time. Maybe she'll be on Summerhouse next year. It's sort of like a tutorial. Let's see if she can hang and she can get some camera presence. That part of it was fine. I actually liked watching Sierra meha kind of like chop it up because at least they were like meho would be fine next season if they bring her totally cool with that totally cool with that and obviously the news the official news that west wilson will not be on we know yeah yeah no shit kind of figured that one out the people article was very funny if you uh if you have any questions on that one go watch ryan bally he breaks it down very very funnily because it's really just what we already knew and then also there's a weird rumor that West is trying, was trying to turn everybody against Kyle, Carl, and Lindsay to get

them off the show so that he can bring his friends on, which tracks, by the way. It is super, but it absolutely tracked. I would be surprised if he actually just came up with that notion and said it to a couple of people and then they kind of ran with that. But either way, I mean, you can't convince me that this wasn't part of the plan at some point during the reunion or even before the reunion. Let's drag this thing out as long as possible. Well, we didn't get anything from this necessarily.

Like Amanda showed her emotions. She just didn't take her beta blockers today. That's all we got. All it was, and this is why it drove me up a fucking wall, all it was, was an opportunity for both of them, Amanda and West, to garner some kind of supporters. Because you know there's people out there dumb enough to watch Amanda and go, you know what? She was going through a lot. And you know what? It probably did feel nice to be wanted and feel wanted for the first time after that terrible marriage.

Lindsay enabled the path of her to just be a fucking victim. That drove me crazy. All of the emphasis was placed on West. He's manipulating you. He's the reason you did this. He took advantage of poor weak little Amanda. Absolutely not, dude. Fuck that.

Fuck that. She was just as much a party to this as West was. She burned everything to the fucking ground just like West did. Lindsay barely brought up Sierra. How are we not going to focus on that part? We literally let her sit there and cry. She got to cry and play the victim card. That was the whole entire thing.

And there are people stupid enough. And they're going to be in our comments saying, you know what? You leave her alone. She needed to be able to voice her side of it. Fuck you. She had her chance at the reunion. And we just gave both.

of them the opportunity to sit there and wiggle their way out of it. We gave West 20 minutes to do what he does and he does it so well. You saw it on display. He stammers, he stutters, and he even fucking confirmed. I've been saying for weeks, he lives in ambiguity. He literally said, I play the ambiguous thing. I fucking told you. And we allowed him to. We allowed him to because Kyle's a nice guy. Kyle's a nice guy. So he allowed him to sit there and do all of that he didn't press him either the whole point of this was to dig further into a reunion that we didn't get answers that we didn't get responses that we didn't get instead what we got was a pity party once again for the pity party queen amanda and we got west doing what west does and laying up

every single lie and doing it in a way where some people are going to fucking believe them that's fucking stupid this was fucking stupid and i told you when we recorded Atlanta earlier. If this is dumb, I'm going to be really fucking mad. And you said, that'll be good. We'll get angry steel. Well, here you fucking go. I just immediately started thinking after the episode when we get absolutely nothing.

How could they have done it better? I probably would have done Lindsay and West left Kyle out of it. Kyle's just, I don't know. He said it a couple of times. He's like, I don't know if I want to punch you in the face or pretty much. He got really close to say, give you a hug or kiss you. I don't fucking know, man. But I think that Lindsay and West should have been to sit down because Lindsay's all over threads,

just talking about West and dragging him through the dirt and talking about how he wanted people to watch. And hopefully the Knicks didn't win on Saturday night. So there would be another game on Tuesday. And people would watch that instead of the show because he doesn't want to see it. And then he comes in and sits down with Kyle. And he's like, well, I mean, I guess I could just say it. Like, you know, this is going to be my last time on TV. So I might as well just be honest.

It's like, you still weren't fucking honest, but whatever. I think that, yeah, you have Lindsay and West sit down and then you probably put like Mia with Amanda. Like put it with somebody that's going to press her. Like Lindsay was way too fucking nice, which is probably the first time I've ever said that in my entire life, which is a problem. That is a huge problem. You have somebody like Lindsay Hubbard and I'm walking away saying you were way too nice to her. Just absolutely way too nice to her. And I know she showed way more emotion.

But when we're talking timeline, we still didn't get anything different. There's no other weird little wrinkles. they teased all this bullshit leading up to it with last week at the end of the part three saying that like put them in certain places like fuck you ridiculous man like i honestly would have if there if there was some journalistic integrity going on over bravo they should have watched that and said fuck this if anything we post like sierra and miha sitting down and just kind of like shooting the shit for an hour and put it on peacock you don't have to waste our time with this on bravo you don't have to take time out of our day make us watch this make steel and i stay up late

to do this we're not even i there was a time where i think either one of us could have been like you know what fuck it let's just do it tomorrow we're doing it now so we can be done with it that is the whole reason we're not doing this to get this out early we're not doing this so that you guys you guys really need to hear the breakdown there's no breakdown it's more of the same just with a little bit more emotion and a little bit more somewhat thought out answers that are really just to throw you off the set. That's all it is. I mean, at the end of the day, Amanda's talking about how West is this guy and she doesn't

want to break up and ruin her life and she might be alone forever. She's still in Italy with him. She's still spitting in his mouth. West on the other end, I don't know, you know, we talk about things. I'm not sure if I love her. I haven't said that to myself yet. I haven't said it to her. There's still in Italy.

He's getting spit in his mouth. So who cares? Like none of this does anything. That was the funniest part as they're sitting there doing this whole song and dance. And Amanda's crying her, her white lady tears as Lindsay doesn't press her. All I'm sitting there thinking is none of this means anything because you're going to Italy and you're going to spit in his mouth.

So why are you spitting in my face and telling me it's raining? He asked for it. We didn't ask for it. Yeah. No. I'm just going to keep shifting that phrase as we go along. But no, dude, that was the hardest part for me in the beginning of this. I was like, all right, well, at the very least, Amanda is going to get a bit of a lashing from, from Lindsay, which is well deserved.

And I kind of want to see that. But I also know that nothing she says will have any substance to it because I know that they're about to go to Italy. So like it doesn't really fucking matter what they say, but it was so much worse than that. Like they're at no point was Sierra the point of conversation with Lindsay. And I hope that she watches it back and feels like she fucked that up because you should have stepped up. You should have defended Sierra. Instead, you turn it into a West is a manipulative piece of shit, which yeah, sure he is. But the way that it was framed, it allows a man.

to lean into the victim card, which is what she does anyway. So you just gave her like more ammo to be like, you're right. I do feel this way. The only thing that Lindsay did well, I thought, was a couple times bring it back and be like, yeah. But even so, like, you should have stopped it there and you shouldn't have done this and you shouldn't have done that. But then it goes back to just West.

It's like, no, this is a 50-50 thing here. And you can't convince me otherwise because they both did this. They both made these decisions. Amanda, I don't care if she's going to keep using the marriage as her out. Again, we talked about this during the season. These are two separate issues. Your marriage sucked. Kyle, not a great husband.

We know that. That does not exonerate you from fucking over your best friend. There are millions, literally millions of men in New York City. You could have picked any one of them. And by the way, her acting like dudes wouldn't fawn over her if she went out to a bar, is so dumb. That's so stupid. Like, not. I don't know. I'm just not going to sit here and listen to that.

Because like, I will buy that you felt a certain way after that marriage. Fine. I can believe that. You know, you got out of that. You're lost. You're trying to find yourself. You don't know who you are anymore. I believe that too. I don't believe you when you say you found that in West and you just had to explore it because things got so crazy. Everything, my emotions were so wild. You guys had enough conversations. clearly about what the future of this thing was and like where this is going to potentially go.

If you had those conversations as many times as you claim to have had them, that means that you acknowledged the risk factor of what you were doing, which means you understood the gravity of what you were doing, which means everything you're saying right now through your tears means jack shit. And I'm staying up to watch this and talk about it. And I hate you. I fucking hear you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it absolutely sucked, to be honest. I guess like segmenting it off, just talking about just Lindsay and Amanda's conversation. Again, I hate it when I know you've had multiple weeks, multiple months to think about things and try to figure it out. You're also further along in your quote unquote, a relationship with West.

So maybe you have a better gauge of how you feel about them. All you were saying is pretty much what you should have said at the reunion. We still would have been like, all right, enough. Like we don't want to hear this shit. of course you're going to go down this road of acting like, you know, I was in a loveless marriage for so long. I didn't know what it felt like Kyle basically said the same thing to West when he was explaining Amanda and himself.

But that's the road that you were going to go down. And that's what you were going to talk about the whole time. You should have just done that at the reunion and saved us a lot of time. Instead, you just kept quiet the whole time. But all it tells me with Lindsay's line of questioning, with Lindsay's soft approach, if you will, is that Amanda up until that point, maybe not anymore, but up until that, until that point, she still probably could have gotten out of this. Now, she's not going to be friends with Sierra anymore, but she could have easily gotten

out of it. If you have Lindsay Hubbard throwing you softballs here, blaming West the whole time, and she's sitting there saying she doesn't know what to do, the backlash is too much. I can't go online. Too many people have too many opinions. They have all these questions about what's going on with the summer house and where we were. And if West and I were hooking up and it just gives me so much anxiety, Lindsay was just trying to walk her through that.

All you have to do is just break up with them. That's all you had to do. When we start talking about Italy and he's going over to Italy and you don't know where you guys stand, you could have broken up with them. And you still would have been okay because Kyle's still in your corner weirdly. Lindsay is now weirdly also in your corner. You would have been fine. People would have been like, all right, yeah, you made a mistake.

Within a year, I guarantee you people are kind of over it. Sierra moves on to whatever Sierra is going to do. But everybody else is like, all right, I don't really care that much about Amanda. Now, me personally, I don't want Amanda on any of the shows just because she's boring. That's my takeaway. I don't really care about all this. I just don't want her on the show because she brings nothing to the show. She's got a very boring personality.

But that's okay. You could have still gotten away from the backlash and enough people would have looked at you and said, you know what? I kind of get it. As much as I really want to go against you and saying that you had a really tough time with Kyle in your relationship and in your marriage, but then you moved on and you felt love for the first time, but it wasn't really love. Enough people would have said that that you would have felt better.

And we probably all would have moved on as a society. And then we would have looked at West and be like, oh, God, that's ridiculous. Look at Raquel. Like, yeah, there's jokes about her doing sound baths down in whatever New Mexico shithole she's in. But other than that, no one really talks about Raquel anymore. No one's bashing Raquel. No one's bashing Raquel. They're only looking, now we're looking at Santa Ball and we're like, oh, yeah, maybe we bring them back to the screen.

Maybe we bring him back to the belly. We're asking for more Sandibol. Yeah, like that's the thing that could have happened. I don't think it would have happened with West. But with Amanda, I think people would eventually leave her alone, but she keeps doing this. And she's going down that road. It's like, whatever. What are you going to do?

Yeah, and I think the part that that drove me the craziest in this first segment, the tone immediately, when Amanda walks in, I was like, why are we joking? Like, why are we just? And I'm not saying that you have to, like, walk in the door and, like, knock her down immediately. But it was a little too lighthearted. I was like, all right, that's interesting. Maybe it's just kind of set the stage so that she actually talks. Like, all right, whatever. But then throughout, there's little jokes being made.

Like, oh, with his little pee-pee, he-he, and they both laugh. And she's like, oh, I get it. I was like, no, wait, what's going on? Like, I get if you don't want to go too hard because you're afraid you're not going to get responses. But you're, you guys are making jokes. You're laughing. You're having a good time through this. And also, you didn't ask anything, like, important.

And it drove me nuts because both West. and Amanda were able to do this thing where they're like everybody's they're belittling the timeline. Like it's not a big deal. Amanda does it initially and she's like, you know, everyone's so concerned about that, but like nothing happened until this date. And they both don't know what date it actually happened. They're saying two different months. And they get to West and he's like, everyone's so focused on this, but it's like that's not really that important. It's like, don't you guys tell us what's important. What's important? We are the ones that have to sit through this shit and sift through it and try to deduce what's going on.

By the way, West, the more that comes out about you and your history and your relationships and how you talk to people and how you set these things up, I don't believe you. I will never believe a word that comes out of your mouth. And for you to sit there and do what you did, and this is what he does. He says he b-rabbits it. He eight miles it. He says everything you're going to say so that you have no ammo to say anything. And that's what he did with Kyle.

He said every single thing that Kyle is going to say that he's been reading online for weeks in preparation. And he gets ahead of it. And he also knows that Kyle is in such a tizzy. He doesn't know what to do because this is so confusing that because of the voice notes Kyle sent him, he knew how this was going to go. And he came in prepared. That's all it is. This guy's like,

I'm not one of the people that's going to throw the word narcissist and sociopath around. feel like it's thrown around left and right all the time these days he is like the dude's got narcissistic sociopathic tendencies and he knows how to manipulate and play people and that's all we saw in that second i know we're still in the first segment here but there's nothing there's nothing there like that was it it just drove me nuts and it's like jokes jokes jokes no hard line of questioning it's west's fault you fell for it no yeah and kyle kyle doing the same thing and we saw that watch wrappers live where he was all with lindsay saying i think i'm sitting down with west to talk tomorrow. Again, I'm still annoyed that Andy acted like he didn't know what was going on.

It's like, okay. Now we know it was three weeks later after we already filmed the sit down of Amanda and Lindsay. So you knew you were doing this. But when they're sitting down talking about it, I'm like, okay, Kyle's going to come in with some harder questions. Kyle's going to come in with some emotion, with some pissed off attitude because of what's been going on. And we have to also remember, after the reunion, they started doing more things and they started showing up together. and they were doing that sneaky thing where they were showing up bars and Amanda had a wig on.

There was so many different things that were going on after. That wasn't her. Are we sure that wasn't her? Yeah, there was somebody. The woman it actually was came out. I was like, oh, no, that's me and that's my hair. A real shame for that woman.

Yeah, it's pretty funny. Well, you still can't convince me it wasn't Amanda. It was definitely a man in disguise. But yeah, she's paid somebody off to act like it was that. Either way, I figured again, much like I figured with Lindsay in the first part, I thought Kyle was going to have a different attitude. He was just giving him an out.

And like you said, West was prepared for all of it because of the voice notes, which is a very good point by you. He hears the voice notes. He already knows where Kyle is. So it kind of just helps him a little bit. He's not that fucking anxious about going into it. But that's the other piece of it. If he is, if West is who everybody says he is, he's trying to figure out how to do damage control on his own, which is bizarre. Doesn't have his own PR people.

He's trying to figure out how to get back in the good graces, at least get back to a point where he can run on that circuit. it and do the house of villains and he could do all those other shows. At least he can still show face. I thought when he starts off saying, well, I mean, it's not like this is the last time that I'm going to be on TV, so I might as well be honest. I thought he was at least going to be somewhat honest. I don't know why. And he just did the same thing.

And did he say anything different than he said at the reunion? Not really. He just felt Kyle's energy start to shift and he felt like he was getting in there, which is exactly what Lindsay was talking about when she was talking about him at the reunion, just like I almost fell for it again. Kyle did fall for it. Like, this was actually worse than the reunion because Kyle fell for that charm. Kyle fell for that stupid attitude that allowed him to just open up.

And then they started cracking jokes about it. Like, was it any different the line of questioning? No. Like, he asked him what he's going to do. I still care for Amanda. What are you going to do further down the line? Like when she wants a future, when she wants to do all these things. Do you love her?

It's like, oh, God, this is really what we're doing. Like, I just let him fucking have it, man. Like, seriously, just let him absolutely have it. Call him a dip shit. Like to his face, you're in his apartment. And it was weird enough to watch him interact with the dogs and see Kyle interact that too. But if that's any other dude, that's going to piss them off beyond belief.

And then they're going to go after him. Instead, Kyle's like pretty sad about the fact that these dogs know you. I'm like, oh, God, dude. We're going to be, we're going to be sad together. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And like, you know, I can't imagine what that's like to go through that. So I don't want to like say mean things about. Kyle, but at the same time, if I'm in this situation and for some reason I have to sit down with somebody that was a close friend that hooked up with my wife and he walked into my home and Louis ran up to him and knew him and was excited that I'd punch him in the fucking face. I would go to jail for assault because I'd be like, oh, nope, I can't do this. I'm going to punch you in the face. The fact that he was. It was just me with a wig on, by the way. Yeah.

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If it's the same thing but softer, like if we all thought, all right, we didn't get shit at the reunion, we'll get something here. All we got was Amanda crying and it was just softer attitude all around. And again,

I'm leaving the third part out of this because I thought that that was actually enjoyable. The first two parts, this is where we really get into the nitty gritty and we thought we'd get different emotions and actually watch like two dudes sit down one on one and have it out. Nope,

not going to see that. We thought we were going to get tough love from Lindsay. She even said that. She's like, look, I'm happy that you're, sitting down with me because I feel like I can give you those tough answers. Did you? Like, I feel bad. Not necessarily, but like what I think about Lindsay, I think about somebody completely different. So when I'm sitting here talking about this, it's just so out there. It's so bewildering

to me that she didn't have that attitude. I'm like, what the fuck is the point in any of this? If we're just running it back from the reunion. No. And I think that was the most surprising part for me is that she didn't have the ammo for Amanda. And I think part of it is she hates West so much that she was focused on West, which fine, okay. But as an audience, like here's the thing.

If you guys are going to set this whole thing up, you're going to act like it was spur of the moment. You're going to bring cameras in. You're going to hype it up. You owe the audience. Everybody watching this show. that's been invested, that's been talking about it, that's been clicking and liking and sharing and all of that stuff,

if you set it up like this, and I fucking knew it, I told you, I called this, that really pisses me off that I was right. But you owe it to the audience, like at least have a, you can even be soft like you were,

but still ask the right questions. Still get in there and try to figure out like what's what. Figure out the timeline. If they're trying to brush off the timeline, just stick on it. Like sit there and keep harping on it. and make them uncomfortable enough to say something. And you saw Wes start to get a little bit more animated at one point in the middle of his

conversation with Kyle. He's actually frazzled right now. He doesn't really know how to respond. Get him. Like, go get him now. I ask a really hard question right now while he's trying to spin this web of lies because he got stuck. He got snagged for like two seconds.

And then he kept flowing after that. That's what I wanted. I wanted just anything, honestly. just something to make it worth the fact that we watched it for an hour, by the way, there's an hour of that. And now we're sitting here talking about it. And now you guys are listening to us talk about it. That's a lot of time and energy invested for them to phone it in at the aftermath.

Yeah. That's the other thing is sitting in the editing room and you're watching this. You're like, all right, we're going to press said on this one. Like, I would have redone the whole thing. You could have just aired that there's no rules to this. You can air this in a couple of weeks. You could make this 30 minutes. I don't care what you do.

Just do something different than whatever this is. And again, when you're watching it, you're like, all right, maybe we didn't have the lineup correctly. Let's send West over to Lindsay's instead. And they filmed that weeks before they should have seen that. Like, all right, Lindsay's got a lot of energy for West. Maybe it's better to have her sit down with him. Okay.

That makes sense to me. But that's the, I think that's the biggest part of it that just really drives me down or into a fucking wall rather is, is just how pointless it all is. like you said with west like the one thing the one nugget of information that we got was when kyle somewhat pressed him kyle had more energy for meha by the way than he did for amanda and even for himself or the friend group or anything else he kept talking about her and that was the one thing that i feel like west wasn't really expecting was try to break down this whole relationship with meha try to figure out exactly what's going on and he finally got him to say she thought

that we were exclusive and i let her think that while i was doing other things it's like okay cool now keep going keep pressing when did that stop when's the overlap like we talk about the overlap when we get to sierra mea sitting down where's the overlap here so you're cheating on amanda you're cheating on meha which is what kyle did say but he didn't go any further than that like what did that make you feel how did you feel while doing that what was it like juggling the two did amanda know about it did meha eventually know about it what was it like doing that like we didn't get any new information we just got new i don't even would call them new feelings i would say like new made-up bullshit for the answers. Yeah. And, you know, the Meeha part of it, you know, I feel for Mija,

obviously. And, and yeah, he was doing everything that we thought he was doing. He was making her think that they were dating and then going about his business and doing all of that stuff on screen and doing stuff with Sierra. And then, you know, all you need to know about this guy is the fact that he sat there with a straight face and was like, we kissed twice. but like, you know, the one night I didn't go back to apartment. And like the other time she wanted me to come over, like,

give me her address. Like, I didn't give her my address. Like, so I hope she knows that I try to do the right thing sometimes. Shut the fuck up, dude. It's like,

oh, I only fucked Amanda once. So, like, she shouldn't be that pissed. Like, you're trying to rationalize shitty behavior because you did a good thing once. You weren't the asshole one time.

And you're saying that with a straight face to Kyle. Like, hopefully Sierra sees that. And it's like, you know what? he wasn't all bad no no everything that you've done has been manipulative and gross and slimy and you you're just really good at talking your way out of things we literally watch kyle fall for it here like he genuinely wanted to hug him like i know he said kiss but he genuinely

wanted to hug him in that moment yeah he did yeah he absolutely did and i think the thing that Amanda and West have going for them. One of them or both of them are convincing each other not to watch the show. And that's only going to be able to help West push his agenda of staying with her without her finding out crucial information. Because you can go back and watch not just the reunion. You can go back and watch the last couple episodes. He definitely said some shit in there that Amanda is going to be like, whoa, when did that happen? Whoa, what is that about?

Why are you talking like that? Or even this episode. Like, they're never going to watch this episode. They're just going to tell each other's stories about what they talked about. Amanda's going to say, yeah, I convince Lindsay that I'm just giving this a real shot and I want to make sure that it works. And then West is going to tell Amanda, yeah, I sat down with Kyle. It was a really tough conversation. But I just reassured him that like everything's going to be all right.

And we're exploring and we're figuring things out. Like that's what the takeaway is going to be. Neither will watch the episode. Amanda doesn't have any friends to tell her, hey, you should probably watch this because West said some shit. And West doesn't care. So it's not going to really matter in the long run. What West was trying to do and why he was. so intentional with how he was saying things and what he was talking about as far as his feelings

for Amanda. He was using this as a grand gesture because he knows that she's going to have a lot of questions about Mija and the timeline and all of that stuff and his behavior overall. So he wanted this to be like standing outside of her window with a boombox. Like I went to your ex-husband and I told him how much I love you and how much I care about you on camera, except I can't say I'm in love with you because that's, makes me scared and it gives me the he be jeebe so i can't say that but i proclaimed my feelings for you and how much i care despite the backlash i'm going to get he is thinking about that he knows that is intentional so when he goes and does this it's for brownie points with amanda to try to get ahead

of all of the questions that she's going to have as more things come out that was his grand gesture moment that was intentional it was not truthful but he knows that if she watches it back she's going to have that same feeling where he pulled his chair up next to her at the dinner table it's like oh there he goes again standing up for me he's proclaiming his love for me no fuck i'm so irritated should we just get questions we uh yeah in a minute um i just i love the i love the explanation of the timeline from both of them from Amanda's standpoint like I just look I you could look at my text messages like I he asked me to hang out all the time and you just see Katie's a Luca pop up every time yeah that's

really embarrassing that was funny yeah but but Amanda's like I denied him so many times and then you know January 17th like we were over there watching a game and we were just hanging out and I thought it was weird that we were hanging like why would you think that's weird if you didn't have feelings you didn't think it was yeah you weren't alone a B you didn't have feelings for him. C. Ignore A and B because it's just bullshit. Like you weren't thinking that it was weird at all.

You were just there hanging out. And also now I'm questioning that. When originally I was like, oh, yeah, we even said they're over there watching a football game. That makes total sense to me. But when Sierra checked at 1 a.m., that football game is over.

There's no reason for you to still be there. And for me anyway, I'm like, oh, well, they don't go to the bars. That's why it's not weird. Amanda, they're not going to the bars because they're probably doing drugs

and it's a lot easier to do drugs. when you're not at the new york bars so that makes more sense to me so it just i don't know man that time line just yeah allegedly sorry i said probably probably is close enough but yeah the when they get into the timeline i'm like come on this is what you rehearsed this is what you sat down and talked about but we should at least save like a minute or so to to just say how lovely it was to watch mea and sierra with their friendship blossom a little bit and just kind of uh just kind of try to build a rapport over the fact that they were both duped by the same guy. And look, that's how that conversation should have gone.

I'm happy that one went the right way where they talk about how West completely screwed both of them over. Sierra starts off saying, I'm really sorry you had to watch. The two of us kiss. Obviously, I didn't know that you existed. Mia, obviously, I didn't know that that happened because he didn't tell me that that happened. And I want to know how he was going to spin it when she, when she watched it back eventually, like, oh, wait, what?

I was in your apartment building furniture, but you were making out. Sierra. That's very interesting. Thankfully, we don't have to get to that point, but they have a very good friendship, and I appreciate that. So that's a good buy product. No, it was. And like, I hope she gets a spot on the show. You know, I just, with everything going as crazy as it did, like, bring her on. Who gives a shit?

Like, she got burnt, Sierra got burnt. Like, bring, bring me on the show. But I think as you look through their conversation, you know, again, the biggest thing that I'm trying to get through to anybody that may have felt for West or was like, oh, you know what? Maybe he does because he's really good at talking. The I will, or you win text should tell you everything you need to know. Like he sat on that stage and pretended to care sometimes.

And then left that with the, the implication of like, I just really hope that, you know, like, like, I really hope like, I just, you know, like a lot of people. in the state, like, there's a lot of like good relationships. And like, I just hopefully like one day like we can maybe like get back to it. And I just like care about these people. And then he texts her, you win. So clearly none of that was real. And if none of that was real, why the fuck would this be real?

Like that you win text seems so small and just like petty towards meha. That's all encompassing because he's just pissed. And we've said this from day one. They're not upset. they're upset that they got caught. That's all this is. Amanda's questioning her existence right now. I do believe that,

but that's your own doing. I don't feel bad for you. West knew what he was doing. He, again, is the kind of person that has gotten away with it for his entire life. Even the Sierra shit two years ago.

He got away with it eventually. It took two years, but he did wiggle his way through it. He thinks he's untouchable. And here we go. this shit pops off. He's playing the same exact cards. You're watching him do it with Kyle.

And he thinks he's going to get out of it. And I, God damn it, if you, if anybody out there is rooting for him at any point, you need to check yourself. Stop falling for this guy's bullshit or he's going to keep doing it to people. And then other dudes are going to watch him do it.

And then they're going to go do it. So just knock it off. God damn it. Everybody stopped it off. Stop it off. Stop it. Yeah, knock it off. I wonder.

Yeah, the Miha and Sierra Friendship would be fun to watch on Summer House, I think. I wonder if these questions feel the same way that we do. That'd be so funny if they're the opposite. Oh, my God. I think they might be. No shot. No, it's really just more of the same, honestly. I want to find something in here that shows us that somebody's on our side at least.

Come on now. things I like things I love said West trying to make it seem like Sierra is obsessed with him when he begged her to forgive him yes that's exactly what he's doing that's what he's been trying to do yeah god oh yeah from Stacy Moe Moss seals everything that made West likable funny words clothes now makes him hateable yeah because once you realized that he was using those things for evil. It makes you hate them. Big time. Katie Malulie.

Do you believe anything coming out of Amanda's mouth? No. No. I don't. No, not at all. Kimmy teacher. Amanda never mentioned Sierra's name. Do you think that's her choice or her managers? I don't think

I think it's her choice. We've got over the fact that we both think that Amanda is insanely jealous of Sierra. I don't think that she feels like she owes or anything. I feel like if we were to actually get some truth Sierra metter, she would probably say that Sierra only dated West for like two weeks. Who cares? It's not a big deal. I can do whatever I want. She needs to move on. That's probably how Amanda feels. Yep, that's definitely in her heart of hearts. I believe you. Kimmy teacher, Amanda never mentioned Sierra's name. Oh, that was,

you just read that. That's what I just read. Yeah, I know. It's okay. Uh, Hs gregn. Oh, there you go. B man, man, Graham 0727. Kyle looks really hot since this whole thing. And Mike, no, he's a glow up. A lot of people were saying. Yeah. He finally just gets to go live his life, judgment free. Summer of Kyle. H.S.G. 863. Do you think the Bravo is trying to do a redemption arc for Amanda? Maybe. I think it's just so fucking stupid. And like, look, I disagree a lot of the times with what Bravo does because they are very, they're just very, like, dumb analytical.

and they try to think, oh, the Amanda West thing was big. I know West can't come back, but maybe people will still tune in because Amanda's here. Maybe that lasts for a second. But after a while, again,

she brings nothing to the table. Who cares what's going on with Amanda? And also, she's going to do more of the same. I mean, I just watched like a little glimpse of in the city where she's talking about Danielle and the cheating rumors. And she's already doing it to Danielle.

So that's what she's going to bring to shows. So no, there should be no reason for a redemption arc. But the question was, do you think Bravo is going to do it? I think I put the odds at like 60% that they try to do it. I give it 65%. There you go. Honestly. Karina, who.

So the choice to be with West is causing her anxiety and mental health issues, but that's worth it. I think at this juncture, not all of it, but there's definitely a part of it that's like, they genuinely need to get married at this point after all of this. Yeah, they have to. And I think that that's the funny thing, because the only thing we can compare this to is Scandival. The most ridiculous part of this

and just kind of proves that they don't really fucking care is how they carried themselves after it came out, like going to baseball games and acting like this isn't that big of a deal and just spitting on everybody that was in that house and pretty much saying, fuck you to the entire house by going out and doing that. Like, that's not you. showing that like this is a legit

relationship, that's you disregarding everybody's feelings and being like, fuck you, we don't care. I'm going to go to Italy and spit in his mouth. Yeah, yeah. I saw somebody in here saying not production, re-traumatizing us with that. Hopefully, Steele and I have said that Amanda spit in his mouth

enough where you've gone numb to it. Yeah, that's what I hope. From Fetreda Desi, am I alone in thinking this idea of Amanda the victim is so bizarre? She is an adult. She is. She's an adult with adult actions and adult repercussions

and now she's crying and thinks that it's everybody else's fault. Dingo. Yeah, and that's what sucks is there's going to be people, a lot of people that are going to be like, yeah, she is the victim. You know what? Leave her alone.

Unbelievable. Let's do like one or two more here. I don't get this one either from RMLA's. What did the closing last couple seconds mean I don't know they played music they did some whole thing where they kind of

like glossed over the Hudson or whatever I don't I have no idea I thought it was bizarre too just end it like don't make us think that there's anything else to ruin our nights nope let me find one more I mean the amount of questions we have tells you everything you need to know because for the

reunion episodes we probably got 300 questions in two minutes and for this we have some but it's a lot more statements than it is questions. This is a good one actually from Steph Rossler, RD. Seeing West reaction to Kyle's dog tells me everything I need to know about him. It was bizarre. That dude does not, he should not be around dogs.

I hated every second of it. I know he was trying to be like, this feels weird with me being all like cozy with your dog, but at the same time he walked in and just kind of put his hand out to the dog. Very bizarre. Okay, here we go. This is a good one to end on. Jamie Gibbs, who contradicts the other more, West or Amanda? Who's more contradictory and less able to keep their story straight?

Amanda. I think so too. Yeah. West isn't telling much of a story. He's trying to get out of it. Amanda is trying to tell someone of a story. She's not sure which story to tell, but she's having a hard time keeping it straight. Like, how do they not sit down and, like, write this shit out?

This is the day we started. He's on the phone with Nihau for six. hours. Oh, God. Yep. Well, we're done. At least it's over. Yeah, it's done.

Thank God. I'm going to watch in the city. It's going to keep popping up. Just little nuggets here and there. And that's a good show. And it shouldn't be centered around this. It should be centered around that show. That's got a lot going for it.

And I don't want it to get bogged down by this debauchery. But, yeah, I feel better. now that we got to vent about it at least yeah i guess so i'm curious to read the discourse tomorrow on socials that's going to be interesting yeah i will be you know there's going to be people there's going to be a whole squad of amanda sympathizers tomorrow and they're going to be in our comments all right it's over guys everybody can leave her alone yeah let's stop it you leave it alone they're at the other day they're grown-ups like they can make their own decision i can read it No, oh, God.

If you think that, just unfollow us now. Yeah, we'll find them. We'll find them and we'll repost them for you guys. Yep, definitely. That'll be fun, actually. That'll be a fun spin on it. But yeah, let's put this shit to bed, huh? That's all I got.

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