Bros & Shows - All Aboard the Michols Rollercoaster (Southern Hospitality Full Recap S4E12)

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

What's up bros? You know what they say; you can't be riding high for too long without a little demotion..or so I say. While Michols is living good right now celebrating the release of his So.Gay cover photos and navigating his relationship with his mom, it seems bad news is looming to take the wind out of his sails. Speaking of navigating relationships, Grace Lily is ready to show back up in everyone's lives and Joey is once again reinvigorated. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are reaching the end of our Southern hospitality season. It's been a good season other than the Emmy stuff. Emmy was not in this episode much, which automatically makes it a better episode than usual. So I don't have to start out by saying this. I'm going to say it just to remind everybody that Emmy's racist. And this was a good episode because she wasn't in it that much. Yeah.

Yeah, you can always tell on a show like this when they're starting to dial it back a little bit. They're starting to get the things set in place for the finale. I have no idea when the finale is for this. I'm just living week to week and just hoping, you know, just keep going. I don't even need to stop. God damn it. Why did you do that?

I thought you heard it. They said it in the end of the episode in the season finale of Southern Hospital, so it's 13 Epps, which is better than we got last year, I think. Isn't it? Unlucky number. I mean the same. No, it's, that's my lucky number. But you're unlucky.

Yeah, you're unlucky. Yeah, buddy. Wow. How about that? Fuck you. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos it will be a Oh man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to the episode of Brav Bros.

Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm because Steele Russell joined, as always, by the one and only. So Goots. What's up, dude? get it i i get it it actually works on two different levels too for soho and uh and so gay um i mean the afternoon is my favorite part of the day i am a huge fan of the afternoon uh so thank i went evening afternoon you know it's important to me to get the time of day right i don't know why

it's a thing for my favorite things it truly is we are it's really funny too because now after we had the discussion last week of how long we've been doing this because we got like an Instagram memory. Like, oh, yeah, four years ago. How about that? Now I also know how many episodes we have. This is like our 714th episode. Really?

Yeah, that's a big number. That is a very big number. We're going to have to do something for our 1,000, which... You have to, right? It probably won't come until 2027. Maybe it's time to return to the stage. Maybe we'll do like a happy thousand episode live. Yeah, a thousandth episode live.

Or you remember when we had that Christmas special? That was fine. my god, that was the first one we did. That shit was hilarious. We had like 150 people. That was like the first like two months in. I was shocked that that many people came out.

Yeah. Just us in fucking pajamas. Yeah. Wait, we had a drop in from Sutton, I believe. We had a drop in from Crystal. We had segments.

We were like, that's more official than anything we've done since. That's the funniest thing is I think we were so prepared. Like I remember vividly, writing down like we had a shared note i had like a spreadsheet going on with times of everything we had everything broken down to like the minute we didn't really follow it but like we really tried to follow it the more that we've been doing this the more like the less regimented we've been getting like we just don't puck it like we know we have no idea even the half the time

when we're like all right we've got three episodes to cover today let's just do like if we do like 40 minutes on this one 45 on this one every time we say that it goes to like an hour and 20 like i remember the valley last week we were so upset set we didn't we said we didn't have anything to talk about and i went back and looked i'm like how the hell were we there for an hour because we talk for like 30 minutes just about what we're pissed off about and then we have to recap but i feel like that's just our friendship like we have to vent and then we can do our job yeah no that's that's fair we don't do that for this we never do that for soho we always enjoy soho even when it gets a little too heavy and dark because of one person on

the show who is in fact a racist There you go. Can't let that go unsaid. But that person is barely in this episode. So that makes me happy, very happy. Now, there's a lot of things to talk about in this episode. Actually, no, there's not. There's not a lot of things to talk about. But we're going to have a great time.

Yeah, because that's the thing. When it's a good show and you get an episode like this, and it is very indicative of like our winding down. We're getting to the end of storylines. We're going to shake it up a little bit clearly with the Michael stuff, which we'll talk about later. But, I mean, it's just a fun episode. So I love this cast.

I like seeing what they're doing with their day-to-day lives. And I feel like we have a special connection to this one because we started with the first season. Like they premiered pretty close to when we started doing this like a year in at least. So it's like we've watched these people grow and they've all grown into very good reality TV stars, which we called by the way. We told you guys. Now everybody's on the train acting like they've been watching since season one. We told you two, but only they can't be you did.

I'm okay with the people that are doing that, but also in the same breath saying, you need to watch this because it's really good and it's not. I feel like the people that align with us for the most part are the people that hate Beverly Hills and hate OC and stop watching and just listen to us. And then they go to Soho and they're like, yeah, jumped in. This is like one of the best shows on Bravo.

You guys really need to lock in so that we can get good ratings and we can bring it back. I always love when people do the knee jerk reactions, but Bravo has like, these are the shows that we've renewed. and they have like the most random shows and then you'll have comments afterwards like wait no soho it's like they're not they didn't renew it yet it'll it'll come don't worry about that also beverly hills wasn't in that list and we know that fucking piece of shit's coming back so yeah uh i was also reminded again i reminded myself that OC's coming back soon so let's let's just enjoy these next couple of weeks we've got love island starting and then when

oc comes back i mean you guys might not have to worry about me anymore because i won't be here I might just go off the defense somewhere. Oh, no, I'll have to do it by myself. You can't do that. You'll just see like check-ins for me and you'll look around. Like I'll have one of those green screens. The green screen will go down and it'll just be like a beach behind me. Like I just moved somewhere weird.

Hey, I'm down for that. You deserve it, pal. But let's jump into this episode. We start out at Republic. I love the nod, the beginning. Maybe this is what got Michael's demoted because he's talking about a employee like this. I don't know. But he's like Emmie's out of town.

So sad. Put him. Love that. That's fun. But it's the white party in Charleston, which is like a super big deal. But the big storyline this episode is the so gay party. And Michaels is having a little event for himself for the unveiling. That's the funny thing.

Like, this is the equivalent of Dorit's thing. But this one makes more sense than Dorit's thing. Like, this is what you should do for a cover release. Yeah. I mean, this is just a standard. cover release party. Like this is what it exactly should be. The book, like if the book's not out yet, what are you having a party for if not just for

the show? So you have an event to host. I guess that's all Derreet was doing. But this one makes total sense. Now, I do love while we're going through the white party and we're explaining it. And obviously no one knows what the hell's going on, which I was very confused to. You do the white party at the end of summer because it's the last time. You don't wear white after late.

Yeah. Does Michael Rubin do the same thing? His like famous white party is that? at the end of the summer. I think it is Labor Day weekends. Yeah. So, all right.

So it's a pretty standard thing. I've cooked for people that left the dinner to go to the white party. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What were they up to? Yeah. Don't ask questions. That party can keep my head down.

That party. The party skeeps me out. Yeah. But this is, this is not a skeevy white party unless you're the picture that they show from like the first, it was like the first or second year that they did it. I don't know if you caught this. But when Levin is talking about it and she's like,

yeah, this is the last official time that you can wear white in the summer you know no one buys into that whatever but we've been doing this for a long time it's a big thing at republic we do it every year blah blah blah we've been doing this for so long they show a picture and it's craig austin chef and a blurred out face that blurred out face was t-rap so we can't show terap on rofo anymore i guess i don't know why i mean there's a fucking bridge named after his family we can show that goddamn bridge all the time they should blur out the bridge that's what we should probably threatened legal action honestly i'm sure i'm sure he posed

He popped up on like threads or Twitter or something recently. He was that he's like, just had a fabulous lunch at this place of Vegas. Like yeah, Vegas likely place for you to be, buddy. He's such a pile of shit. That guy's so gross.

I fucking hate DRAV. I hate that he has a bridge. I hate, I hate the Ravenouts altogether. I don't know them all, but they all seem like dickheads. But anyway, Maddie has lined up DJ Meredith Marks for this event.

This was very funny to me, because I do think that, you know, it's partly Maddie, like, hey, come on out. I do think it's partly Bravo being like, oh, this will be a fun collab. I do mostly think that she probably got paid like 25 grand to go through this. I do think that that's probably true. When you say multiple times in a segment about Meredith, that there's no way that she would come all the way out to Charleston, unless it was for a party like this, unless she was DJing, unless it was to promote something that's so dot gay, something along those lines.

Like of course she's going to be there. It's like yeah. All of those things. Yes. You're missing one thing. You haven't said dollar signs yet, which is totally fine. I actually, I remember, I forget where I was. I had to go away for something and I missed the Meredith Marks party that was here in Philadelphia.

Oh, yeah. You were, where did you go? I remember that. I remember. I was going to go. It was random. You had like a random. Oh, was it your family golf trip?

Yeah, maybe it was the golf trip. Yeah, that definitely checks out. But either way, I haven't seen Meredith DJ. so I was really excited to watch her DJ and it was exactly what I thought. It was absolutely exactly what I thought. Literally exactly what I thought. Somewhat awkward,

rhythm questionable, but getting the people going. That's what I thought was going to happen. And that's what Meredith is there for. And caviar. I knew there'd be caviar. She did have this point. That was so funny.

They were doing caviar bumps. I was like, fuck. Any chance you have to plug it? You know what's funny? You know what's funny is I think that Meredith's caviar was like the last line of defense before everybody's,

started doing it. Like now every time like I'm looking at a restaurant in Philly or New York or wherever, they've always got the weirdest thing paired up with caviar. And then we saw Kyle and in the city last episode getting a mozzarella stick with caviar. That's weird. The Pringle is normal. I've had Pringle caviar for a long time. Totally fine. Yeah. But we saw we saw the pigs in a blanket with caviar up in Rhode Island. Just ridiculous. No necessary. Fried mozzarella with caviar. I saw a hot dog with caviar somewhere down in Philly. Enough. Enough of the stuff. trying to make caviar happen i don't know like there's better pairings with it like i don't mind being a little adventurous with caviar but it falls under the same category to me is like

that place in conch we get the gold-crusted burger like the gold cheese steak like i don't want to fucking pay a hundred dollars to eat gold and it doesn't taste it if i'm going to pay a hundred bucks for a an item on a menu i don't care if there's gold i want it to taste like a hundred dollars don't fucking flash gold it maybe like it's a gold you're gonna shit sprinkles i was just gonna say that sprinkles yeah sparkles we're called they call them jimmies here by the way i know um but yeah i mean i was just gonna say that like i don't know what the threshold is for how much i would pay just like look in the toilet and be like cool gold probably nox yeah i i don't think there is actually a threshold there i don't really want that that sounds hazardous

it sounds alarming it's like when i played baseball the cafeteria would always give us uh red velvet cookies. Yeah. If you have too many of them, you can have a very alarming, uh, B.M the following day where you think something's wrong and then you have to remember, oh, wait, no, I had four red velvet cookies. That's why it's red. God. All right. Well, welcome to the BM bros. At least I didn't say shit till now. Well, you did know. Uh, anyway, let's let's just move on the episode. Let's let's get out of this hellhole that we're in. Well, let's go to me and TJ. And we're just recap in the night prior. You know, we got some lettuce buns. and we're talking about Troy and he showed up to Republic the night prior and they were smooching

and stuff like that. So it seems like they're rekindling something. The one thing I get from those two, and obviously we're not like super invested in her love life just because she's been kind of flipping about it. Like we check in sometimes and then she's hanging with Justin sometimes. But it seems like they are in love. They just don't know how to make this thing work because Troy doesn't want to move to Charleston

and she's not going to move to whoever Troy's from. So we're just kind of like back and forth. They're still hooking up, but like not seriously hooking up. Yeah. It's kind of confusing. Yeah, it is. And when Mia goes into it, she talks about which I'm happy that we kind of tied a bow on the missing package when FedEx left it outside and it got stolen.

Troy gave her eight grand to try to make her whole again. That's cool. But then they go into, well, yeah, we know that like we're hooking up with other people. And I mean, I told him that I had sex. He's like, oh, confirmation. You did have sex with Justin. So we can kind of move on from all of that, which I don't care. I mean, I assumes that the whole time.

But I think it's very funny that we spent a little bit of time on that. And obviously the Jordan situation coming to play with late. And then it was so nonchalantly like, yeah, we did. Yeah, yeah, we totally had sex. Like, that's totally fun. And also he was up in Canada and he sucked on some boobs and got a hand job. Like, what the hell is going on. Didn't that sound worse than her just say I had sex?

Yeah, absolutely. I like what Brad said, where, he's like, yeah, that's way too ultra-specific for, like, they definitely had sex. I agree with you. Just say you had sex. Like, yeah, that's kind of weird. It's kind of gross, actually, when you put it like that. That's what I thought.

Like, the explanation or the description was not fun to hear. Like, when Mia says we had sex, I'm like, oh, that's fine. He's like, I sucked a boob. I got a hand job, an old-fashioned. I'm like, I don't like that. I don't like that at all, actually. Absolutely not. Let's not say it that way anymore.

But they're talking about the so-gay event. And the Molly of it all because obviously Molly is now aware that Michaels did have something to do with her firing. I had the question mark last week of just believing Emmy so quickly, but Brad co-signing and being like if anybody knows like Emmy would know, it does look like Michaels did have a hand in what had gone on. So Molly's stance, at least currently, is more so like if he doesn't take accountability, then we're over. So she's giving him the chance. My big question mark, given how this episode ends, is that going to go well? Because he's reeling from being demoted.

And then that's going to come up. And then we see scenes from next week where he's yelling again. I think it's going to be kind of the perfect storm for Michaels in the finale. And we're going to see him really kind of blow his lid. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I think he's already there. I think this is one of those situations where you get your highest of highs with the not gay party and then the lowest of lows with getting demoted and then Molly coming for you.

I don't think, and this is going to be a thing where people are looking at Molly like, oh, you're really going to go after him now. Like he just got demoted. Don't do that. But Molly has to do it. For Molly's sake for on the show, you have to do something like I in the real world appreciate the fact that she's giving him an out. But in the show, there's no reason to give him an out.

I mean, the season started off with him yelling in your face, telling you that you were going to get banned. Then you come back, have a. to sit down with him and you say it at that park bench. Yeah, I don't, I don't really believe him, but like, whatever. Let's let bygones be bygones. Emmy comes back with some information, which is the best thing that Emmy has done all season for the show, the rest of her shit, you just throw it out the window and get rid of her. She comes back and tells Molly and I'm like, all right, Molly, like, this is your chance,

stand on business. Like, he told you flat out. He had nothing to do with it. You find out that he was very instrumental in all of that. You need to hold him accountable. This is not a, you know, if he takes accountability, I'll let him go. I'm like, yeah, in the real world, I'm completely fine with that and a group of friends. Like, I don't want to deal with it.

But for the show, you need to hold his ass accountable. He's just lied to you. I think she will. Like, I think she'll step up to the plate. She doesn't strike me as someone that backs down from stuff like that. I think she's quick to smooth things over. But we saw her with Lake in the beginning of the season. Like, she's not afraid of conflict.

So I think that we're going to see her. I just, I don't know if she knows what she's walking into just because of what we know about Michael's demotion. Like, I think that she's going to go into. it, but she's battling something entirely different. You know what I mean? Yeah. People are going to think that she's just adding to the shit pile and instead is like, no, no, no, no, I was going to do this regardless.

I didn't realize, what do you want me to do? The timing suck, but there's never good timing for this. Exactly. So I think that's what we're going to see. But we get this scene that we've been waiting for for a long time. It's Michael's and Elise, his mother. And an interesting scene because I don't want to shit on anybody here. and like the important thing is if michael's got what he needed out of this conversation like

that's what matters it did seem very PR from mom's standpoint and like we've had a couple of those moments where like you know she's seemingly trying to say the right things but then she slips up and says some weirder shit places a lot of blame on him which i thought was kind of interesting but yeah did you get the PR swing or was it just awkward it was definitely a PR swing it was absolutely a PR swing. Now, I don't know because I'm a little conflicted in all of it because obviously Michael's last year talked about her a lot. She didn't really come on camera. I think she was on very briefly. She's been FaceTiming and very briefly in the last couple seasons, but she hasn't come on camera and he was talking about her a lot. So if you are that person and what

I'll say is if you don't want this kind of backlash, don't be a bad mom. And like I don't think she's overall a terrible mom. We've definitely seen way worse moms. But she's obviously not supportive of his lifestyle. And I get to a certain extent the, well, I'm coming to grips with you being, I don't get that part of it, but I'm coming to grips with like you being on camera doing things and talking about me and doing things that like maybe I don't want to watch. Like, I get that from a mom standpoint. But all of the things that Michael's been saying is you haven't been supporting me. You don't really want to be around me. It seems like you don't like me. Every time that I try to get some sort of support out of you, you don't give it to me. So what I'll say to her is don't be a bad mom and you

won't be, nobody's going to be talking shit on you. Nobody's going to be coming for you. So I guess she's in that like rock and a hard play spot where I think it would have been better if she just stayed off camera and just squashed this and talk to him. But it sucks for Michaels because it's almost like he has to use the cameras as a tool like a means to an end to get his mom to sit down with him and talk through this, which sucks. I mean, that's brutal for him. So I get it in all of that realm.

It's just like a very, very complicated situation. Yeah, to your point, you know, I'm sure there's people out there. that are going to say like, oh, like he's using the cameras. I think the way I look at it at least is more so, first and foremost, what you said, if you're not a bad mom and you're supportive out of the gate, this doesn't happen, period. We don't have to have this conversation on camera. But being in Michael's shoes, like, he may have felt that the only way to push this forward was by using the cameras.

You know, I have this tool at my disposal to kind of push this to the forefront one way or the other. Like, this could send your bob packing or this could force a conversation. that we see here. So I don't have an issue with that. I think the best point you made is the fact that if she wasn't shitty to begin with, this wouldn't be happening. But as we're talking through everything, the PR part of it really started to come through because of certain things she said, like first and foremost, and it seemed like a one off, but why did you go to the church? Do you have an issue with him going to the church because he's gay? Like, that's the vibe I got. Like, why are you going to the house of God? You know it's a sin to be gay. That's where I thought she was leaning, which I thought was kind of strange. And then the more we go through everything, you know, the church stuff aside, she's like, you know, I've always been supportive of you. He's like, well, that, no, like this, I'm telling you how I feel. She's like, well, you're wrong. You're lying. It's like, okay, this is, this sucks. That's where you lose me. Yeah. Entirely. And it's like, you know, we, we've talked about that

in other shows and it's also kind of prevalent in just our society now, like with this generation, looking back at like how some people were raised and questioning some of the things your parents may have done and quote unquote the generational trauma all that stuff is is being discussed a lot more now you really get to watch it like in real time she's like don't put that evil on me like I didn't yeah I didn't make you gay like pretty much that's what I was saying yeah you know like and that's not fair because all he's trying to say to you is is I felt unsupported I called you after the coolest moment of my career thus far I'm on the cover of a matter of a matter of magazine, you hung up on me.

Well, I was at the doctor. You didn't say that then. He just hung up the phone. Then you called me back to try to save face and said, oh, sorry, I was at the doctor. We've watched too many conversations via the phone where you've checked out instantly. Or you found out you were on camera. You're like, I'm not doing this. It's like, okay, well, then we're going to have preconceived notions.

And then when you finally have this conversation, we're going to be very skeptical. And then when you say things like, why did you go to the church? You're lying. Why are you crying? stop crying. It's like you're invalidating pretty much everything he's saying to you. And then you wrap it up at the end with a very generic, I'm sorry if I made you feel that way.

I support you no matter what. And you know that. That you know that bothers me. You should know that. If he knew that, he wouldn't be sitting here crying, mom. Yeah.

And then you wouldn't have to be sitting there calling him a cry baby apparently. Like the whole thing just took such a bad term because I think the main, the main situation here is if Michael, is able to move on and he can get a better relationship with his mom and his mom can respect him and his lifestyle and all of the things that come along with it that maybe she doesn't agree with

but she can be proud of him, then that's where we have to leave it. Like yeah, you can still have your reservations after watching scenes of his mom and just say, yeah, I'm happy she's not my mom is probably what most people should be saying. But this is Michael's his life. So if he moves forward with her,

we should leave her alone and that's okay. But this was a make or break conversation. This was a situation where them sitting down, she could have taken control of the narrative. Everything up until now was very much what Michaels was saying, all of the things from his childhood thereafter, all of those things. She wasn't really on camera. She hasn't really shown her hand on all of this.

So if she came in, hat in hand, sat down with him, heard him out, said that she loved him, supported him no matter what, and they're going to be there for each other moving forward. That's all you have to do. That's literally all you have to do. You can leave all of the things that he said about you in season two. Like he was hurt. He probably didn't mean a lot, but he was telling you. us about his experience.

That's all it is. So if he does that and then you sit down with him in this season after we already kind of have this predisposed opinion of you and you can squash all of that and put that to bed, I don't understand why you wouldn't jump at that opportunity because it's very prevalent in your mind that he's talking about you on camera. He's talking about you on TV. You could squash it. That should have been it.

That should have been your whole situation. But instead, once he starts opening up and showing his emotions, that's when you see her take that turn where it's like, oh, fuck. this is what you've been doing his whole life. Every time that he shows his emotions, every time that he feels something, you tell him to feel something opposite. You tell him not to feel it.

That's fucked up. So I think she showed her hand. I think she showed what kind of person she is, which sucks for Michaels. And I hope he gets to a better place. I hope that she has learning experiences and she can get through all of this and have a good relationship with her son.

But after all of that, it's like, damn, I don't even think Michaels has told us the half of it. I think she was probably worse. Yeah. And like you said, the important thing here is if they move, forward and he's good with how it went down and they're able to build off of that,

I'll shut the fuck up. I don't, it's not my business at that point. I want them to all figure it out, obviously. But to your point, it seems like she was more concerned about cleaning up her reputation over the past two seasons than cleaning up their relationship. And the ironic thing is, had you not addressed all the stuff prior and tried to defend it and simply said, I'm sorry, I love you, I accept you. we would be like, okay, cool.

They're good. Yeah. This is nice. It's a nice moment. At least she learned and she's moving forward, but instead now we sit here and go, how much of that was real, how much of that was for the camera?

But at the end of the day, it's about them. If Michaels is cool, I'm cool. Yeah. Honestly, if you ask me right now, all of that at the end was fake to me.

Oh, yeah, I'm proud of you and I don't care what you are. I love you. Like, all opinions aside, like watching that, you just wanted the conversation end.

That's all it was. and you knew your way out, you still wanted to get your opinion across. You still wanted to come across as, you know, whatever your feelings are or thoughts on the matter where, whatever your beliefs are. She wants vindication for something she's not going to get. We're on team. We're team Michaels here.

Yeah. Well, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I, I'm really withholding a lot. But I am too out of respect for Michael's.

Yeah. But it's literally just out of respect for Michaels. But yeah, watching his mom talk made me feel icky. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But for his sake, we will not go scorched earth. It's not, I don't want to rock the boat with him because we love Michael's. But let's get to our boy, Joey Bottles, it's reinvigorated again.

We have phases, phases of reinvigoration. He had a good time at Emo night. It went well. He did give away half the tickets for free, but we're not going to talk about that. He's trying to figure out. how to come up with a business proposal to present it to Leva and Lamar to hopefully push something through. That being said, I don't know how much he had to do with on air. I don't know, and that's the place he's currently working with to promote and book bands and stuff like that.

I don't know if that's a result of this business proposal. I don't know if that was already scheduled. I'm assuming Lamar and Leva since they own King Street were probably going forward with this place regardless. and Joe kind of fit the mold. But I don't know. I'm curious to see if this business proposal comes up with anything. My favorite part is that mom trying to get a word in and he's just like firing off ideas.

Then we can do this. Then we can do weddings. We can have bachelor party. We can do comedians. What other form of entertainment is there? We can do all. Magic shows. Yeah, you can have Germain with his Tiki magic show.

But yeah, it's so funny to me. I love Joe so much. And I love the fact that. that he's still talking about emo-dite. He's still talking about being 30 and his back hurting. Even Maddie talks about that with her mom. I love every second of it. And the worst part is because of everybody,

like everybody's thoughts on Joe and like his motivation to go work, the fact alone that he's 30 years old and called his mom, I have no problem with it, like zero problem with it because I do think he's got a great relationship with his mom. His mom's probably a good business woman. She has a good head on her shoulder. She knows what to do. And she knows him very well.

So she can kind of quill. some of his expectations. But at the same time, there's going to be a lot of people online like, uh, Joey bottles calling his mommy. He's got to figure it out with her. Like,

I think that's unfair because I do think that he probably just has that relationship with his mom. And he just wanted to bounce some ideas off of her. I imagine that that's what he does. Like when I think about Joe and going through all of these like business proposals and things like that and like what he could do, it's him and Maddie like laying in bed while she's drinking coffee. And he's just out there just chirping.

Just sounding off about all. these things. And half the time, Maddie's like, yeah, yeah, that sounds great. She's probably got a headphone in like she's working on a song or whatever it might be. And Joe's like, yeah, then we can do this. We've got weddings. And maybe we could have our wedding there someday. Huh? Yeah, yeah, we can have an Airbnb upstairs and a bar and, uh, Jake is he still in Bali. Is he? Can he buy back into an Airbnb? He is by the way. Yeah, dude, that fucking guy. Good. Stay over there. Um, but yeah, I just, these scenes are always very funny to me. He's he's such like a, you know what you're getting with Joe. And I do think with the with the on air because we know that on air is a thing. And I think we're going to have to endure another scene where Leva's like, you need to figure it out and get your shit. I think Leva's doing it for show. I think she'll be fine. I think it's like it gets amplified like all the stuff about him not being there. I guarantee you he is there. He's probably yeah, a little distracted and not selling tables and stuff. I think I well,

I mean, he wasn't there when Maddie was on tour. We know that. But he was vindicated because Maddie was suffering from anxiety before her show. And we saw that and he calmed her down and got her to play a great set. And it looks like she's going to be the breadwinner. So like perfectly fine. And I think he's okay with that too. I mean, he's got his dream girl.

Let's all back off of Joey Bottles. Let's leave Malone. But I think that Leva and a scene that we're going to get next week, she plays it up for the cameras. She's like, you guys are going to move forward with Joe. He's Joey Bottles. He's the face of Republic, whether you like it or not. he genuinely is like yeah you think of joey bottles we think of republic and we know that he is booking gigs for this on air so we know it works out in some capacity i agree i think that levis taking

the lvp method she's drumming up more drama where where she thinks we need it i think that we're good on those like unless we see some blatant irresponsibility from joe in this next episode i don't i don't see the need for it but you know what at the same time it's like kind of tradition now. So we probably should end the season with that scene just to like, you know, tie a bow on it. Well,

I do think there is something to say, his motivation does come from. I mean, the emo night thing aside, typically when he says he's feeling motivated and reinvigorated, it's after Leva gives him shit for not being there. So maybe that's what he needs. But he just needs that kind of tough love motivation.

That's what gets him in the right mindset. So maybe she just keeps doing that. It's just funny because like all I want is hilarious. All I want. And I know you're the same. I just. want him to be successful. I want him to be happy and successful and like have his dreams come true. He just needs to get out of his own way, which you know what? He's 30. He's growing up.

His back hurts. Maybe he's there. Maybe on airs the kick in the ass he needed. Time will tell for sure. Did he get an MRI for his back or anything? No, he's just, he's just complaining about back pain because he's 30. That's all he's doing. That's his personality for right now. Leave him alone. Yeah. Yeah, you leave Joey bottles alone. But let's get to the so gay event. And as T. T. could not be gay. We got drag queens. We got Michaels. We got T.J.

We got Lake. Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay. So we're at the so gay party. Mom's not coming. Michael Stott, you know, we made a lot of progress at lunch, but like, I don't think she's ready for the big gay explosion. I think that was a good call. Yeah.

It's probably a good call, you know, baby steps. Emmy arrives. I just the self-awareness factor just will always in forever drive me up a fucking wall. I can be a good person. That's what friends do. They're loyal. Who are you? All you do is talk shit behind their back.

Like, that's every scene that you're in where you're not with the group is you talking to somebody else about somebody in the group that you're quote unquote loyal to because they checked you for being racist. Yeah. What the fuck. And like, this is something that everybody on this show can get away with. If you have beef with somebody, but they have an event, you show up anyway. You have beef with Brad and you show up to his run club thing. and he appreciates it and then goes to his confessionally.

He's like, yeah, we're not in the best place right now, but it's cool that they showed up. You, Emmy doesn't get that grace. No, fucking drives me crazy.

You don't get the same look that everybody else gets when you show up to an event because you've got beef with somebody. Usually it's innocuous shit. Usually it's, oh yeah,

he was spreading a rumor about me. Like, we do have to have a conversation, but it does mean something that they showed up. It's like, that's normal. That is cool.

Emmy, you show up and you expect that same grace. Michael's, I love how he starts off. He's like, yeah, you know, I appreciate you being here. Like, that's great. And then tries to, like, move on and she just goes off. Like, this is the other thing.

If you have beef with somebody, you show up, you say hi, you say congratulations, and then you fuck off. Like, that's for everybody. Not just for Emmy. That's for everybody. If you have beef with them and you know you have to sit down and talk to them, you show up, you make sure you show face. Everybody sees you. Cool. Fuck off.

Go sit in the corner. Go sit down with people who actually like you, who can actually tolerate you talking at a thousand miles a minute. All of those people, go ahead, sit in the corner and do that the entire time. You showed up, you said hi, go away.

That's what you do. Instead, Emmy sits there and she just goes through all of it. God damn, dude, like, you've come such a long way. I mean,

I'm so proud of you and everything that you do. Like, this is such a great event. And I can't believe that I'm here right now. And, and you know, my fiance's back home and he, and he's talking about this.

And it's like, Jesus, shut up, lady. Like, we don't want to hear from you. I can't stand it. I can't.

And I agree. And like, that's what's bothered me about the season as a whole. And, you know, that's where Leva's response to the whole thing was so disappointing. It's like, she should not be given the same grace as other people that make mistakes.

Because it's not the same level of mistake. No. But I don't know if it's from a show standpoint or if people are just very forgiving in this group. But like, no, she should be held to a higher standard. She could have fucked up Brad's whole life, his career,

all of it. with her fucking white lady tears and all the shit she's been saying. So no. When she shows up to an event, it's not like, oh, thanks. No, like bare minimum she should be there.

And then she says to him, like you just said, by the way, and she doesn't understand this. Like when she does things that she thinks she's getting back even remotely into the good graces, she goes right back to like friend mode. To say something to him at this big of a deal.

Like this is a big deal for me. Michael's biggest move of his career. He's very excited for this. This picture looks like you just fucked someone and the foods arrive. You need to go grab it. What? What you're talking about? Like you also, you're minimizing the photo. You're sexualizing it. Like, this is a big deal. Like it's a big thing. And you're making it fucking weird and you're doing your thing that you do where you're trying to be friends again because he said, thank you for coming. You're like, we're good. We're good now. So I'm going to make a joke. Oh, that didn't land. Well, this is so awesome. eat shit.

Here's the thing to put it into perspective. If she didn't do any of that racist shit and she cheated on Will and fuck Troy, I would have the utmost respect for her comparatively to where she is now. I'd be like, you know what? I was pretty fucked up of you. I can't believe you did that. That's going to cause a lot of shit.

We're going to have to talk about this for a while. You're going to have to get back in people's good graces. There would be a path. It would be a very narrow path, but there would be a path. And that's regardless of how I. feel about will what you've done there is no path back especially because you've been given every opportunity to try to write your wrongs and i would argue that they are giving you way too many opportunities to write your wrongs they're still giving you opportunities to write your wrongs

we've been done with you since last year you already started down that road and that road was blocked off and there is no path to get back you should have just fucked off instead these people are much nicer and obviously they have history with you of being a friend and all of those things so they are going to give you another chance, but they're giving you so many opportunities, and you still fail to recognize it. You still just talk about yourself, and you still say things like,

if my fiancee was here, nobody would say anything to me because they're afraid of him. No one's afraid of will. Like it's just, she irritates me beyond. And I just can't believe that we're still sitting here talking about Emmy of this show. I agree.

And I'm so curious what Bravo's going to do in the interim. Like when we end this season, like it should be, There's only one. She has to. Like, it's cut and dry. There's no wiggle room here. Her behavior should be intolerable.

We should not put up with that at all. The fact that she's still given these little cut scenes during this season, her and Lake cutting limes. I'm like, why are you giving her this little like, ha ha ha moment of like, let's try to cut the, and even that's like awkward and uncomfortable. But like, why is she given that? She should not be.

I feel like they're not grasping the gravity of what happened. should we go back to the Southern charm of it all with all of that shit and Catherine? Like that was a much bigger deal. This seems to be like, you know, she said some things, but like she's part of the cast. No, that's how Leva treated it online. It's like we're dealing with it internally. It's like this is not an internal problem. This is a public problem that we've watched.

We've sat here and watched it transpire. There needs to be action. So if they don't get rid of her, I'm going to fucking pick it out. outside of NBC. I'm going to get a ticket and I'm going to go out there. I'm going to walk around and it's going to say, Emmy's racist. Get her the fuck out of here.

I do kind of hope that there's some sort of word before the fan fest that's going to happen down in Charleston in October. Like, give us an update before that for the love of God that she's not there. Because if she's still there, I don't know what's going to happen. We might run into a mill. Yeah.

Oh, good. Good. That would be fine. Why are you looking at her stories? Stop looking at her. fucking yeah you're always first he's always like within the first 30 people is will fucking colp i don't know why it's very strange to me and i will always remind everybody everyone for all time he bitched out of an interview with us okay we had it lined up we said come on he

he messaged us to come on our podcast and we said okay but we're going to ask real questions ghosted us, went on vile files, and then got back to us and said, oh, sorry, guys, we got really busy because we're engaged. Fuck you, dude, you pussy. We were ready and you don't have the balls. And I will always remind people of that. And then you're going to look at our stories as soon as we post them. We didn't even have to write down, we didn't even have to write down questions for that interview.

No, we were geared up. We were ready to roll. But, I mean, part of me is actually kind of happy that he didn't. I didn't really want to talk to him anyway. I didn't either, but it would have been fun. because vile files, they just lov up softballs and enable whoever's on that show. I don't, I will never understand. In your own words, tell us what happened after that reunion.

Oh, man, that must have been hard for you. What? Yeah. They're just brutal. I, and again, like, when I say this, I'm never referencing like, oh, we should be that podcast. I don't know why he is that podcast. I don't know why the big moments go to vial files.

It's very frustrated. Go to Danny. They kind of dial back now. They don't do it anymore. I hope not. They don't need. There's so many better people in this space to go do that with that would ask good questions that actually give a fuck about their jobs, that don't phone it in, like pick any of them. Fucking Danny should have been one. Ryan Bailey would be a great one. You could go on Bravo Doc, it's a great one. That would be an interesting angle. I don't know,

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Anyways, this is where we get the Troy and Mia, where, you know, Mia told him he poinked, she boinked someone and he made out with a French girl and that was the part too. The French part is a very interesting detail. Like, obviously, the sucking boobs and hand job is like stands out. Well, it's exotic. It's exotic and for whatever reason, like, shouldn't be said out loud. Yeah. The French part, I'm like, why, that's a very specific detail of this story. That's not what happened.

It sounds, yeah, I don't get it either. It sounds to me like either what Brad said where it was just way too hyper specific to actually be true. It's definitely a lie. Or it was a get back where, like, he wasn't really going to tell Mia that he hooked up with anybody. He was just kind of kind of let it go. but Mia was so forthcoming with the fact that she had sex with somebody. He's like, oh, yeah, well, I stuck boobs.

And they were French boobs. I think that's it. I think you panic. And you know what the best part about French boobs is? It's wine. It tastes like wine. Beautiful French southern wine. What fuck are he talking about?

I think that was it. I think he panicked. It was like, oh, yeah, I got a hand job. Shit. I mean, yeah. And a boo. It was hot. It was in the.

back of an Uber and uh yeah and then yeah are you sure you didn't do that with Danielle what who she's yeah shut up anyway I love you I'm going ring shopping I forgot to mention that apparently shopping rings or she did she shopping rings or was he shopping rings I think he was shopping rings but then yeah I'm pretty sure they said that he was shopping for rings I thought she said then because she says like his eyes went like this is like oh so yeah shopping rings I don't know what's going on there, man. They're not together, I don't believe. They do seem to really love each other.

They do. They have a lot of chemistry. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. But Molly arrives. And Mia, again, her co-signing it. I'm like, all right, Michael's clearly new. She's like, you need to go have a combo with Michaels.

Emmy needs to be there. She doesn't need to be anywhere, but okay, fine. No, no. Michaels gives a speech. We get a rod siding, which is a, always fun. Not his penis. We get Rod from Southern. There's a lot of people there, yeah. Yeah.

I thought that was funny. I guess not. But, you know, this is hopefully the beginning of a successful career in modeling. He's getting lots of props from people, but you get a one liner from Molly in the confessional, like this is going to inflate his ego balloon. It's going to fly away.

And then, gee, lily arrives. This made me sad, genuinely, because there's two sides of this whole thing. I feel for her that she's feeling excluded from the group, that she feels like she lost her chosen family, if you will. The flip side of it is she does still have a lot of work to do. Now, the one thing that I didn't love, and you can't really falter for it, but it's because it's so personal, I think she said it, where Maddie's like, you know, it took me

two and a half years to get clean. So I don't believe that she, it's not fair to use your experience to try to dictate whether or not she's actually clean. I get the skepticism, then you're allowed to be skeptical, but to draw the comparison, it's like, well, you're not the same person. You know, some people go to rehab 10 times before they get it right. Some people go once. It's all about individuals. So didn't love that we put that label on it, but I do get there's a lot of emotion behind it

between these two. At the end of the day, I want her to be ingratiated back in this group for the show, for her, personal life. I think she's getting there. I think this is an important episode because when you realize that you're losing things, you're losing your friendship with Maddie. You don't want to lose that. She starts crying over that. You're losing your connection with Brad, with Joe, with everybody in the group. Maybe, just maybe the fear of losing those things will be enough to get her to do the work. That's what I'm hoping. Fingers crossed. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. And honestly, I agree with you. I don't really fault Maddie for doing it because I think if you go back through all the comments that

you've made about Grace Lilly, whether it was on camera or off camera, there's very high emotions there. It was a very big friendship. It's a very deep friendship. So if you were to go back, I would imagine that Maddie would be like, yeah, I wish I didn't say it like that or I didn't mean it like that. That's totally fine. So I don't think anybody's really going to hold her accountable for that. And I know, I'm not like, I think, what the hell? It's just like, no, no, no, it was a little off. Yeah, yeah. I just, you know how people are online. Um, yeah. I, I, I just think that, that for Grace Lily, I think that when she's on, she's on. When she's good for the show, she's great for the show. It's one of those things. So I think for her, if she's in a good headspace

and she's able to do it and we talked about it when she had to sit down with Leva, you know, being in the nightlife is kind of hard because it's conducive to going back to that sort of lifestyle that you're trying to get away from. So until you're really comfortable, much like Maddie is now when Maddie says, yeah, it took me two and a half years to get sober, she was able to get back into that lifestyle and be a DJ and do all of these things that she probably wasn't able to do right away. So it just, you have to be careful with when you come back into it. But I do want her back and I want her in a good headspace. I want her sober. I want her off of the things that are very big vices in her life that cause a downward trends. Like all of those things that she's been

kind of labeling all season, while it's been, you know, interesting to watch her open up. I think it's also good in a way, this is the good that reality TV can do because it'll hold you accountable. I mean, yeah, you're always going to have those opportunities. But if you're, if you're sitting in a confessional and you're going to see a life coach and you're talking to Leva, you're talking to more important people and you're talking about a friendship. You're going to watch Maddie talk about your friendship in a way that's like, yeah, she's been using me for a while or she always holds me accountable for bullshit that goes on in her life.

You're going to see all of those things. And if you can have a positive reaction to that, it can actually accelerate you getting back to where you need to be. So I hope that that's what she's going to do. That's actually a really good point because it's a big learning experience that she may or may not be ready for because she in a perfect world watches that back, watches Maddie's scenes, watches Joe's scenes,

watches people in confessionals talk about her. And she takes that to heart and acknowledges what they're saying. Doesn't get combative, doesn't get defensive, just hears them and goes, okay, if that's how you guys have seen me, then there must be some truth to it.

Yeah. If she's ready for that, because if she's not, we're going to see more of the same, which is where she gets defensive, says they're not being supportive, and that just shows that she's not quite there yet. So I'm hoping that wherever she's at currently watching the show,

watching the season, that she's in a place. And we'll get some semblance of that. I'm sure she'll probably pop into the reunion, probably episode two or something. But I think we'll be able to get a sense of if she took it the way that she should, where it's like this is constructive, this will help you move forward in your recovery journey. It is not a place where you should put your feet down and go,

Nope. That's not what happened. You guys aren't supporting me because that's their experience. And it's very important in sobriety and recovery. Like Maddie said, you have to acknowledge some really heavy shit. And you really have to dig in and go, fuck, I'm really fucked up that I need to get better. But you have to acknowledge that you are, in fact, super fucked up. So I'm hoping that she can do that. We'll see. But Brad lets us know as well that his dad struggled with addiction. I'm not sure if he's mentioned that before. I don't remember it. He may have touched on it briefly. But, you know, him showing support was really nice. Brad, again, just continues to be like the best dude in the crew.

He's the number one guy in this group. Joey Bottles is number one entertainment value. I think Bradley is number one. So the Bradley's are at the top of the heap. But we get a little DJ Meredith Marks. And again, it is like the perfect level of awkward Meredith, but looks like she's having a great time. People are loving it. We get caviar bumps all around.

Hell yeah. I wish Seth was there. That would have just made my name. Yeah. Yeah, me too. I also wish that we got like a drop in confessional for Meredith. That's what I want the most of. But yeah,

it's pretty much exactly what I expected for Meredith DJing up there. Yes. She was happy. She was getting the crowd going and only a way that Meredith Parks can do it. And of course, we've got the M.M.C. Caviar just floating around. MMC.

Maybe there was a collab with Sir Wieners. Like I just mentioned. Oh, was there caviar dogs? I hope so. That would make the most sense. I get it. I understand the pair of salty chip. Pairs of saviar, salty dog,

salty caviar, salty caviar, get it. I hope that we had a little Meredith Marks cross over there. That seems like a missed opportunity. But no, I don't think we did.

Do you know why? Why? If we did, she would have promoted it. She would have made it known that her caviar was on those hot dogs. She doesn't miss a plug. She never misses a plug.

Let's get to the morning. Lake calls her dad and they're starting to repair this relationship. Now, this again falls under a similar category as Michaels where it's like this is their relationship. If she's cool, I'm cool. But at the same time, there is some hesitance there where it's like, all right, it's cool that you guys are rebuilding. It's cool that you guys are repairing.

And this may be one of those situations where Lake just has to meet him where he's at if she wants any kind of relationship with him. But at the same time, it's disheartening to hear. we're moving forward because we're sweeping everything under the run. We're just not discussing it. Yeah. The way that she said it was as long as I don't tell him who I'm sleeping with. And I'm like,

well, I don't think you need to tell him every person that you're sleeping with. But I think that what you're trying to get across is, as long as I don't tell him that I'm sleeping with girls is kind of what I heard. And that's, you know, the unwritten law, I guess,

for where you're going to go moving forward with your dad. I do think that like, I think that people are just like very, very quick to jump on, especially parents in shows like this, where he's talking about like coming down. He's like, yeah, you know, I've got this going on. She's like, well, can you come to my art show on Monday? And then they play the music where it's like sad because he's not supporting her.

And I'm like, well, the art shows on Monday. He's got businesses. He doesn't live around there. I think we're playing heavily into that. You think he should have been there? I think he lived in North Carolina. Isn't it like a two hour drive? I thought it wasn't that big of a deal.

I think it's more given the circumstance. I thought it was a big deal. if they are repairing. And like, I think it makes a big statement if he shows up to her event, especially after she invites him, he might, relationship. So like,

if you shows up big points, I thought it was a bigger deal, yes. So I thought it was differently. I thought it was more like, yeah, I mean, like I might show.

Like, they made it seem like with music and the editing that he was doing it again. He's like leaving. I'm like, I don't, if he shows up, then this whole scene is going to be fucking stupid to me because he's showing up the support.

Like, I don't want to go down. Well, it's just. I look, again, I'm under the guys that he lives like two hours away up in North Carolina, him driving down on a Monday on a workday to go do something at Zach Stacks. It's like, all right, if you can do it, go do it. Absolutely.

And that's kind of what he says. But the way that they're like framing it is like, all right. Like if he's there, this is going to be stupid to me, I think. See, yeah, I guess I just saw it differently. To me, it sounded like there's still hesitation to be in person with her because of what they're yeah yeah that's kind of what i got um next week we'll we'll tell us one way or the other because if he's not there we'll lake will explain it and if she again is like look i get it then cool i get it if she is distraught then it clearly carried more weight but it's it's tough

to navigate because we don't know all we know again yeah like i don't think it's great that we're just not acknowledging we're moving forward but we're just going to not talk about it At the end of the day, if she's cool, again, it's similar to Michaels and his mom. It's their relationship. I'm not going to bash her dad if they're figuring shit out and it works for them. But it does. It gives me reason to pause a little bit. I mean, I don't have him even remotely close to Michael's his mom.

I don't think Michael's his mom for me anyway. I'm like, I don't believe anything you're saying. For him, it's like, I wasn't he on the show last year? Didn't he show on the show? But that was before she, because last season's when she. opened up on screen about everything. On screen, yeah. So he wasn't aware of all that stuff. Yeah, so that's

strained a little bit, but I don't know. That's very much in the house of like, we'll see how it goes. We'll see how Lake responds. Whereas Michael's his mom, it's like, yeah, I'm going to see how you respond, but I've got my feelings about your mom already. So that's... I agree. That's already sealed and delivered.

I agree with you. But we get to Maddie and her mom and they're talking fertility. We talked last week or two weeks ago, Maddie had taken a fertility test, she's gotten blood work done to see, but doesn't want to read it. She doesn't want to get bad news potentially. She's had a lot of health issues over the years, autoimmune disease, her family

struggles with fertility, so it's a lot to handle. But for me, with everything that we've seen, because in the beginning of the season and last year, you know, the proposal shit, Joe coming on so strong, I was always on Maddie's team of like, hey and like I'm not anti-maddy here either it's her life she can do what the fuck she wants but I'm starting to reach a point now where it's like you can't just keep pushing all of your adult shit to the side like at some point you do have to dip a toe because you know where you and joe are headed you don't have to get married now but it is a conversation it seems to me like when we get to these big pivotal conversations she never wants to have them and at some

point you do have to have some of those conversations well all right so i mean they had the conversation while they were down in the dominican which i thought was great because bravo has intended to leave those conversations out because they want us to think that there's trouble in paradise and then we finally see a good scene and we're like oh they're probably talking about this a lot like where we've come from and beginning of the season it was very much what you just said where it's like you have to have these tough conversations you have to be able to get through it joe is talking to his brother about getting engaged. He's talking about having a family, a white pick a fence. And I get it. He's like on a thousand. So I do understand it's like a lot. So it's tough. It's absolutely somewhere in the

middle. They've had these conversations. They've done these things. We saw that in the Dominican where they've clearly had this conversation before. Correct. So when she's talking to her mom, like I think it's actually very funny to me because I think the way you're talking is very much like a dad where you're like you have to be an adult and do these things. Whereas I'm sitting here like, nah, that's totally fucking relatable. Like I totally agree. I don't want to get bad news. either. The way she's talking to her mom, she's like, yeah, you know, if I go to freeze by eggs and they're like, did you not read the test results? Like, it's not entirely possible to do this. Then I'll know that it was bad news. But if I go in and they're like, yeah, absolutely, come on

in, we'll do this. Then I know it was good news. I'm like, that is incredibly relatable. I get that. That's procrastination. That's not wanting to get bad news. But you're like, absolutely, you fucking read those results. I'm like a little lady. You have the power. Knowledge is power. You know, exactly. But you control the situation. I am very much a dad. I am very much not. So I am more on her side with that where I'm like, nah, I get it. That's that's totally relatable. And it's a little funny that you're talking to your mom about this.

And she's like, dude, come on. You have the test results. Just go, nah, I don't know. I don't really want to read them. Joe really wants to read them, but I'm not really sure I want to.

And look, I think that Joe and Maddie are great. I think that they're totally fine. Like I do think there was a little sliver of, is Bravo going to do this and make it look like they're in a bad place? But they've been trying to round it out, which I appreciate. because I know they're in a good place and I know they love each other and they're moving forward in their lives, whatever that might look like.

And they have to have those conversations and they're on reality TV. So unfortunately they have to have those conversations on camera as well. They're going to have them eventually. They'll have them. They'll be few and far between though because I feel like Maddie just doesn't really want to have those conversations to begin with. But they're having them. They're fine. There's nothing really a read into here.

No, I don't think that it's like cause for concern by any means. It's more so just like at some point you got to read the test results. I do appreciate, though, like she gets in the car with Joe and he's not like, come on. Like let's read him. Like what are you talking about? Like that I appreciate. He's not being too pushy with it. And I think that like you said, we get glimpses of this relationship framed as though Joe is just like too much and she's irritated with him.

I think it's much more 50-50 than we think. Yeah, it's not at all the case. Yeah. So I just, I love them together. And I think Joe handles it well. I think Maddie handles Joe very well. I think my takeaway anyway is I think early in their relationship, not only was the rest of the group like really like what the fuck's going on here.

They've bought into them. They understand that they're together. I think that Maddie had been in so many shitty relationships and she's even said this. Like I've been in so many bad relationships where I was worried about a guy cheating on me. Now I'm worried that Joe's not at work. And he's acting like he's at work, but he's just having drinks of Lamar's and talking to other people. That's her biggest fear.

But like, he's networking. Yeah, he was networking. I mean, he got on air. so like who's to deny it um at the same time it's just i think that they've gotten into a much better place like i think that if you can read between the lines and see all the things that are going on and the way that they are around each other this conversation with her mom going to talk to joe right afterwards would have been different a season ago it would have been a lot different it would have been joe being too much her kind of turtling and not wanting to talk about it and then maybe

like a little passive aggressive fight instead it's just very much joe's backing off a little bit letting her do her thing, which is what she's going to do. Joe is trying to concede a little bit, and she's also opening up a little bit more. So I think that they've worked through all of those things. We just haven't seen like the full timeline of them working through it, whether they're doing it off camera or they're editing it so that we don't see those things.

I don't know. But I think that we now have seen in the scenes that we see with the two of them, that they've worked through a lot of that. They're getting very comfortable with each other and they love each other. So that's my big takeaway. I agree. I totally agree. But let's go to Lamar's.

We got a Sir Wiener's event. We got Wiener Towers, which sounds awesome. I would love a tower of hot dogs. Bring back Dollar Dog Night. What a travesty. Did you remember like the forever? And then they got rid of it. But you could get Dollar Dogs every night if he went to the kids corner.

They would sell them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right field. It was always Dollar Dogs. It's like a little cheat code. But now it's Buy Once Bogo Dog Night, which is not the same. And it's a travesty.

And I will say this for the rest of my life. But we got a little potential love interest. for TJ, which I'm curious how this is going to affect the Michaels of it all, because Joe had a friend who recently came out and he introduced TJ and said, what do you think about this guy? And he's like, I'm down. When's the date? So we have a potential new, new boyfriend or new love interest for TJ, which is going to be interesting because I'm still rooting for Michaels and TJ. But I do understand, I get where they're coming from on both sides. I get TJs like, you got to go live your life. You got to go sew your right. So you're wrote, so to speak, you got to experience things before you're ready to settle down. I'm ready to settle down. So they might just miss each other, which would be very sad because I think that they're really cute together. But curious to see if this guy's going to show up for the finale.

I assume he is because they said it up. We saw him. Yeah. We got his first and last name and we also saw his picture. We also got the DMs that TJ got with the blurt out faces. I was like, whoa. That was very funny. Yeah.

I would love to see those guys watch the show. Like, oh, God. Oh, fuck. Yeah. He's like, yeah, they're sitting in my DMs talking to themselves the whole time. I'm like, good for you, TJ. I'm sure you are getting some DMs, but probably from some unsafery people. The TJ and Michael's thing, I think it's one of two things is going to happen.

Either, you know, Michaels is going to shit or get off the pot when he sees the DJ's actually dating somebody else. Either he's going to see that, speed up his timeline, say, you know, I don't really need to sew my oats. I would have be with you for a little while. But that's also coming, the demotion, Molly, and now TJ's going to be with another dude. is going to be within the same night. Yeah, probably all the same night. Yeah, so either that's going to happen or it's going to push or it's going to make Michael's realize like, all right, I got to let him go.

He needs to go live his life. Basically what TJ just said to him in Dominican where it's like, dude, you have to go live your life. I know you're not ready for this. Maybe I am ready for this. Maybe we'll see how it goes. No, no, no, you need to go live your life. If he sees TJ with another duty, he might be like, all right, yeah, let me, I've got

the SODGA thing going on. I'm getting bigger. I'm going to have more opportunities to kind of travel. world, travel the country, see a lot of people, meet a lot of people. Maybe I find the love of my life. Maybe I don't. Who knows? So he'll go force himself to go do that or he'll shitter get a thought. So one of those two things is going to happen. But either way, if the timing doesn't work, I personally am going to hold out hope until one of them gets married. Otherwise, you know, I'm still going to hold out hope. That's a good way to look at it. Very hopeful. But we're at

Republic and it's Lake and Emmy. And again, like the self-awareness factor, I will never be able to get over. It really drives me up a wall. It's actual genuine frustration in these scenes. It's not like, oh, this is an annoying TV show. It's like, oh, my God, I want to rip my fucking hair out because how are you going to sit there and talk to Lake, Lake who enables Emmy, by the way. And it's like, the way Michael's talked to him is not okay.

And I've seen a lot of relationships go down because of lack of respect. Why? It's the why. It's always the why. You don't ever understand the why of things. Like, why do people talk to you the way they do? Why did Julia clap at you like that? Why is Michael's pissed off at you?

You are the culprit. You cause these things. And then they retaliate. And you're like, well, is me. White lady tears, cue them. And everyone's always ganging up on Emmy. Brut, you put yourself in these spots. And you don't get out of them because you're incapable of understanding why you're in

those spots. And I have to sit here and watch you week to week. Not understanding. or pretend to not understand. I don't know if it's real or not. I think it is because you're a fucking psycho, but like it will never not piss me off. It's like how on earth?

It's like when Brad wouldn't talk to you. He's not allowing me to have a conversation. He did. He let you have two conversations and you fuck them both up. Why does he owe you another one? Answer, he doesn't. But you seem to think you're entitled to that

because you're used to getting what you want. Go talk to your. fucking fiancee leave us alone I love how much energy you still have because when Emmys in a scene without anybody else that's really going to move the needle for me I tune it out I'm done with Emmy

we are at the end of the season I am absolutely dumb with her I hope we never see her again after this I couldn't tell you what the fuck happened to this scene with her and Lake I know that she was looking at Lake trying to cut limes and couldn't figure it out and then she had a lot of comments about it

don't give a shit truly do not give a shit what Emmy has to say at this point. Obviously, she's delusional. She's across the board, just a fucking idiot. And she doesn't understand the implications of her actions. And she never will. So I'm not going to waste any breath. I'm not going to waste any thoughts on what she has to do or say.

I just don't care. I wish I could do that. I wish so badly that I was capable of doing that. You know I can. Like, it's, this drives you up a fucking wall. But this is the- Sitting here,

I was like, why do you have so many things to say about this scene? Because it's infuriating. It's so frustrating to see that there's people out there like this where it's like, what do you mean? How? How? Yeah.

Why? Damn it. And we end the episode with the email. Michaels gets the email notifying him of a change of role or transitioning you out of the AGM role. He's blindsided. I will say this. I think it's horseshit that this is how he found out.

Like that's crazy work. Part of me, a very small part now, still thinks that it's a bait. and switch like I thought it was when we saw the clip of him getting the email last week for the scenes from next week I really did think it was like full bait and switch he was actually getting promoted they did it in a weird way it was a weird prank to like get him going and then they were going to just be on the other side of the door like surprise you're the full time manager not the assistant general manager like whatever it made that I really did think that and watching his reaction and getting again we're still not getting the full email I don't know why we're not

getting the full email just show us what because of the bait and switch potentially it might be a bait and switch, but then we see scenes from next week, and it doesn't look like a bait and switch. It looks like he's getting phased out. Like he full on got demoted. And now people are talking about his demotion. I'm like, Jesus Christ, really? This is how we conduct business. This doesn't make any sense to me.

So I don't know. I was kind of flabbergasted that it actually played out the way that I didn't think it was going to play out. I think it's fucked. I think it absolutely is. I think for somebody like Michaels who has done a great job who has rose to the position of assistant GM, who has done a great job. Obviously, he does things for the show.

Obviously, he talks about people. to work there in a not so great way. But he's on this show. You know how reality TV works. I mean, the rest of it is fine. As long as he's doing a good job, him getting demoted makes no sense unless it's what we talked about last week, where he's getting demoted because he's got opportunities elsewhere,

and they want to give him time to go do those things. But still, there should be a conversation. Like, we have sit downs with Joe and Leva talking about Joe not being there. And then also we're going to find out that he gets on air for next season. You've got Michaels who does a great job all. We've never heard a. other than him like getting mad. Yeah, other than him like, hey, you can't be screaming at somebody like Molly outside of

the club when there's people in line that can see what's going on. I think he learned from that. But I don't know. I don't really know what to think of it until we get the full story. But it's very, very confusing thing. I agree. And if it is how that goes down, like, I do not care for how you conduct business. What do you mean an email?

Like you said, you've had eight conversations with Joe about not. showing up like that's important enough to have all of those sit downs which i get he forces most of them but you're going to demote your a gm via email before the shift starts yeah that's stupid stupid for anybody to do like you're going to rattle the whole evening it doesn't make any sense yeah well let's get to some uh some questions uh uh from um robert taylor writer of stuff. Why does Grace Lilly think that she can be an asshole to her friends and then not have consequences to those actions? That said, Brad was so sweet in that moment. Yeah, Brad is always incredible. Like, even if he knows that somebody's going through something and he's not

directly involved, even if he has his, his reservations about somebody, he has his own feelings or opinions about what they're doing, he's still going to be like a good shoulder to lean on and give people good advice, which I mean, that's few and far between on Bravo. Yeah, agreed. And I I think, you know, again, with G-Lill is a, it's a layered situation. Like, she's got a lot to figure out. And she's, she's working on it. It does not look perfect for anybody. And again, like, all you can hope is that she watches this back and starts to understand

it more. But I, I get it. Like, I get where she's coming from. You're correct. Yeah. She's holding people too, too high of a standard and complaining. But I, I know where she's at. So fingers crossed.

Uh, let's see. Oh, Ryan Stomeman 83 is the fame going to Michaels's head. I think a little bit. I think a little bit. We said we said it probably would, but. Not like a holy shit, get this guy out of here away, but I do think he's getting a little cocky. Yeah, a little bit. I don't even think it's from the show.

I think it's from the opportunities that have come along from the show. I agree. I think it's, yeah, I think he's kind of, he's stepping into the next level. And I think that, you know, he's all so young. And this is all happening. He's getting a little excited. But I think in the root of Michael's is he's a good dude. Yeah.

There was a third part to Robert Taylor writer of stuff. He also said, also these are your best recaps right now. You two are on fire. Wow. Hey, thanks, man. Appreciate it. Fire. Fire.

Fire. I wish we had a fire button. What would a fire? Fire ball. Bam, pan, pan, right. All right, fair. Mr. 305. Totally fair.

I can't believe you used to buy Emmy horn this year. It's so sad. Welcome to this from Health Godder, which Bravo led would you hire is a DJ for your party. Meredith Marks. I saw Kyle is going to be at Atlantic City at some point in the summer. Actually, it's soon. I think it's like in a couple of weeks. Maybe I'll try to skirt my way down there.

Probably Meredith though right now. Yeah. It's just funny to pass up. Exactly. I think just show value. And Brackman, man. What could the group do to help G. Lily?

I think they're doing it. Yeah. There's some tough love going on. There's boundaries. being made. And there's people still acknowledging, like, yeah, of course we love you. We always love and support you. We know what you're going through. So it's acknowledgement of her situation with clear boundaries being drawn. The boundaries tell her that she still has work to do, but the softer moments of Brad tells her that it's out of love. So I think that they're handling it

pretty well, actually. Uh, from Rachel Nicholas, thanks for sharing my questions. I know you don't care for them, but still love the pod. We care about all of our questions. I don't know. Always. Always, always. That's funny. Um, we covered a lot of the Michael's and his mom thing, but. Yeah, Amy B. 526. I never want to go after someone's mom, but Michael seen with his mom was tough. We, yeah, that's why we tried to. Yeah. Lately, you know, we didn't want to blast her if they're figuring it out. But yeah. Yeah. I agree. Uh, I'd love that we just get this fucking all the time now. from Madwob.

Muzzy, greater than Michael's mom equals Jo Ellen's bomb, question mark. I love the equation. I'm not great at mass. It's Muzzy. Muzzy is in every one of our fucking recaps now because we're talking about so many parents with all of these shows.

That's the new trope is bad parents. Yeah. Yeah, which I don't really care for. Soundbaths, flapper parties, bad parents. That's where we're at now. That's where we're on now. I don't really have anyone else in here. here, to be honest.

There's a lot of the same. Yep. That's good enough for a Friday. What do you say? Yeah. And sadly, we wrap up Soho next week. Obviously, we have the reunion after that. I'm assuming three parts.

They're in the big boy room this time, finally. Yeah, finally. Well, deserved, about damn time. I'm curious. There's a lot to cover in this reunion. And it's everybody. Everyone's got something going on. It's not like the usual where it's like two things.

we're going to talk about, then the rest of the episode is shit. Like, we actually have things that we can discuss. So I'm excited for the reunion. I think it's going to be interesting to watch them perform reunion for multiple episodes. It's not the clubhouse one that we've gotten in the past. Yeah. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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