Bros & Shows - Amster-Damn Those Outfits are Tough (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOC takes Amsterdam for what can only be called a filler episode. Emily is trying to do the most to stir the pot and its just not landing. Gretchen and Shannon see no way forward with Tamra. Heather is in her feels reminiscing about her dad who lived in Amsterdam. Jenn is getting ready for her wedding, although we still don't have a date for it. The gang has some space cakes and a blunt rotation you couldnt pay us to be a part of. The season drags on for now as we wait and see if the reunion will bring anything good. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Did you really? No way. I was miserable. I think because it was just nonsense and didn't matter. And also, I was just in Amsterdam in December, so I was doing a lot of sightseeing. Oh, that's different. You're watching through a different lens. I was able to take my mind off of the episode.

I don't think anything happened to this episode. I'm your co-and-shows. Bros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Brose and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Amster Goots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. Good evening. sun's still out. Yeah, it's fall. It's different.

It is different. It sucks. You can feel it like we're creeping up to daylight savings time ending. It's Sunday. It's this week. I thought it's next week. Oh, boy. I don't know for sure.

No, it's the first weekend of, it's after Halloween. Okay. Yeah, I had to look it up to. But you can feel it. It's like there's some weird feeling deep in your body that knows that we're about to just get darkness. And not the Ethan Hawkins. kind of darkness because at least that's cool with vampires yeah that's true there's no vampires here it's not cool it's just cold and depressing i just don't understand daylight savings time anymore

i don't know why we do it unless it's to simply keep the general population miserable because the whole point of it was to conserve energy for farmers yeah now because that is not our main industry because we have a lot more things going on it actually takes more energy and higher costs to run businesses during daylight savings rather than just scrapping it. Yeah. There's definitely something afoot here. Something's going on, right? They're just keeping us depressed.

That's what I think. I think this is all a plan to keep us miserable. Actually, here's my question. Do people in like Miami and L.A. feel this way? Like we feel this way because it also brings the cold and dreariness and all that. Do people who live in Miami feel like that? Are they happy that they get a little extra time at night because the Miami Nights are so fun?

L.A. I don't know. I lived in Florida for a long time and I still hated daylight savings. Okay. All right, cool. So, you know, I wasn't in Miami. I was in Sarasota, though. It was nice. Answers my question at least. But yeah, just sadness coming soon. Anyway.

Sadness for you, actually, with O.C. I don't know what you saw. Talk through it. Talk through it with me. The whole episode. episode? Well, yes. What made you sad about this episode? It didn't make me sad. I didn't say sad. Okay. Did I say sad? I just, I'm getting sad. I don't need a therapy session. You're sitting like a therapist, too, and I don't appreciate it. A sweater on too. You got your new chair and you think you're hot shit. Yeah, I mean, who you think you are, I am. That's the funny thing is every time that I watch, like, a therapy session or something, I feel like I'd rather be on the couch, like, laying down. I know. They don't do that anymore. Yeah. At least I haven't seen that. Like, I'd like, be the therapist but also laying down you know i see what you're saying like hey look cool i'm why this

episode made me sad i just i i thought it was hot garbage nothing happened i hate i just hate the way that things are being done on this show i hate the desperate attempts to cause more drama they're just shoehorned in everywhere the they're just a bunch of losers and i'm not enjoying watching them i thought this episode was trash what did you like um so i do think that this was a filler episode i think yeah and which is kind of funny and doesn't really make a ton of sense because it's the first day of a trip and it was a filler episode i don't know why that didn't piss me off i think i'm just checked out i think i'm so far gone with oc and the people who are on this show and i know nothing's going to happen that i'm somehow i don't know like i'm on the other side of a rainbow bridge or something

you got to join me i wish i could greener pastures because we like Like, I think if you just accept that it sucks and it's never going to be good again, you might be okay. No, because I have to take notes, so I have to watch. Like, I literally have to watch. I can't zone out for a sec. I have to be, I don't think I was zoning out necessarily. I think, I don't know. I was able to look at this as a filler episode where they were having fun so then I was okay.

I don't know. I think it's the Amsterdam of it all. I think because you were just there, it made it more fun for you. It might be, but I can tell you. definitively, I had way less fun in the beginning of the season talking about bloggers. Oh, I agree with that. That pissed me off and I didn't want to deal with it. This was just, it was a filler episode, like, whatever.

Yeah, we'll talk through it and see how you feel at the end. And we start out with a luncheon for Jen. She's getting married someday. We still don't know the exact date that's been moved around due to Dawson deploying or going to boot camp. So we're not sure what the date is yet. But Shannon decided to throw a little shindig. and the big recurring talking point

that's happening this episode and I think it leaked in last episode as well is that Gretchen is acting like Tamara that continues to come up I think Shannon sat her down and actually told her to her face like as your friend just to let you know like it's coming off very Tamara-esque

my question to you before we go into the other stuff do you agree yeah I think Gretchen agrees to be honest because she even says it later saying I have to fight fire with fire I think deep down what she's just trying to do is match Tamara's energy with very Tamara mannerisms and very Tamara screaming. And that's kind of what she's getting after. But the problem is, and we know this from the outside looking in, it's never perceived that way.

No. Tamara can do that and get away with it whenever she wants. But Tamara, even to the viewer, brings a lot more to the show than just that. If that was Tamara's shtick and that's all she was able to bring, she would suck. She'd be insufferable. We give her praise because she's able to do. do a lot more behind the scenes in front of people, try to be a little

bit more conniving. Gretchen can't. Gretchen just can't. So if she's trying to match Tammar's energy especially using Slade to match Tammar's energy, you already lost. The battle's already done. And if you've got Shannon sitting you down, Shannon's not scared of you. Shannon would just completely wash her hands and walk away if she didn't

actually care. I think she actually cares about Gretchen, but I think more than anything, she cares about not having another Tammar in the group. I think that's the big push for her to try to get a handle on it is to not have a handle on it now and i agree with shannon honestly because if this is what gretchen's going to do she's going to be even worse to watch than she has been all season i think the producers agree with that i think if this is where we're going to go there's no reason to have

gretchen on the show i agree and i think that she proves the point immediately when she's in a confessional and pulls out a list listing why she's not like tamra the list itself makes you like tamra correct the confessional every confessional you've had for the last 12 to 13 episodes probably, if you just copied and pasted Tamara's face on you or AIed it but used what you were saying, I would believe it was Tamara talking. I would believe it was Tamara talking and I'd say, wow, what an off year for Tamara. Yeah. Because she's doing the same shit, but it's just not hitting. It doesn't hit anywhere close to what Tamara does. But they sit down to this nice little luncheon and Jen is getting marriage advice for everybody. And I thought that it was actually

kind of nice. I thought this was going to take a turn. So did I. Yeah, I didn't. But I also think it's interesting that the group is giving Ryan some props. Gina's like, you know what? He's a nice guy. He over-sexualizes her, fact, but he's a really nice guy. He seems to really like her. I'm like, wow, Ryan has... Ryan's good dude.

Whoa. Whoa. I love Ryan. I know you do. I have no problems with him anymore. I don't have any issues with him either. I think, I mean, we talked about that a couple of weeks ago where it was like he has taken such a drastic shift and seems to actually be a decent dude when it comes to

being a significant other, taking care of the kids. I like that he stepped in with the Will stuff. He's gotten back to the point in when we talk about the Will stuff in a little bit, he's gotten back into the good graces so much that he's able to talk about those things. I know. I feel like if this had happened at the end of last season when we were still like, oh, what the fuck's going on here and all the show Hey, Otani News broke. We would look at this scene way different.

Don't talk about Will. That's kind of weird. But he's ingratiated himself so much by proving he's there for the family, by listening to the kids, by seeing scenes where it's just Jen and the kids talking about how great Ryan is and how they support him. Now it's gotten back to the point where it's like, fuck yeah, dude. Like, those are your kids. Agreed up for him. That's great.

Usually we don't like to see that, but right now it looks like he's earned it. Wow. If you told me this two years ago, I would have said you're high. You are high as a kite. To be fair, I could have said that two years ago. There's a chance I did say that two years ago, but I was absolutely joking. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

You know, to be able to say that not ingest it. It's actually pretty impressive for him. But the advice is, one, the second wedding's always better, in fact. Two, don't be mean is Tamara's, which is really funny, especially given the scene that we watch with her and Eddie later, which was... Well, that's the thing with Eddie. Like, we don't see them argue. We just see Eddie look like a battered wife afterwards, like with the blanket and everything.

Like, his house just burned down when Tamara goes off and does all of those things, which we'll talk about it a little bit, too. We don't see them actually argue, so she's not lying necessarily. There's other things that she needs to clean up, clearly. But when it comes to that, yeah, sure, all right, I believe you. Whatever. Shannon says, communicate.

Let's see, what else? Oh, I like. Emily's was stupid. What was Emily's? Find your person. All I'm going to say is find your person. What do you mean? Like, it's a little late, Emily.

Like, what are you talking about? I'm sorry. Find your person. I don't believe anything when it comes to Emily and Shane. And she's like, you know, my first husband, he was great. I had no complaints. Great guy. Got divorced, but sure, whatever.

I just, the problem is that I just don't believe anything when it comes to shame because she sits there and says, yeah, my first husband was great. He was awesome. I had no complaints. Like, you got fucking divorced. Something happened. Something happened somewhere in there. And then when it comes to Shane, she's like, Shane's my person.

He's my best friend. And I'm like, I don't see that. I've never seen that. And there are scenes that I feel like you could maybe look into and, say, okay, yeah, clearly you guys do have a good level of friendship that I understand. When? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I'm just saying... You're just trying to be nice. To be fair, I do think that when it comes to the two of them being in a scene together, I do tend to suppress that information. So I can't tell you. I can't. It could have happened. No. All right. I seem like... I gotta make room for other shit in my brain. I get rid of all

those things. They seem like roommates that are cordial. Yeah. Yeah. That's her person, though. That's a... Find your person also after they're getting married within the next few months. What if Ryan's not her person? It's almost like a make sure that he's your person type of situation. It's like that's not advice. None of that was advice and it wasn't very good advice.

I mean, it's good advice when she's single. Go find your person. She's about to get married. Yeah, if she was going through a divorce and then she asked for divorce advice, go find your person. That works. That makes sense to me. Go find your lawyer. Yeah, I really did think this whole seem.

is going to take a turn. But I think what we need to say is that Jen just wants to be good with everybody. Yeah, clearly. So even if something Shady was said, which it wasn't, which is weird, she probably wouldn't speak up. She probably wouldn't ask them to explain a little bit more. She would try to rationalize it and make it seem like it was actually advice, even if Tamara said something bad.

Yeah. That's kind of where Jen is right now, which as we know right now, and, you know, in the last couple of weeks when she's had her Instagram meltdowns, she's in a much different place. If we were just watching this with no outside knowledge, we would just assume, all right, Jen's just going to kind of like coast into the ends. We're going to get a Jen and Ryan wedding. She's not going to have a whole lot to answer for at the reunion unless it's like Katie-centric. But even then, she'll probably be able to get out of it.

Now it's like, what the fuck happened? I don't know. I mean, we're going to see more, obviously, and figure out what's going on because she's not doing great via social media at the moment. But at time, I'm sure it's probably reunion-centric. The reunion hadn't filmed yet. That's a good point. That just filmed like last week or two weeks ago.

I mean, I don't know. I have no idea, honestly. I do think that Katie coming back and then the fact that Tamara's the one who brought her back, started talking to other people, you started to see people defect, defect, defect, Jen probably questioned that I still think Emily and Gina are probably on the outside looking in, so they're going to actually take the brunt of these things. Yeah, more than likely. I know Jen caught a lot of shit early for the chaos.

Yeah, I think that Jen and Gretchen are going to be in the same boat, and that's not going to bode well for her. No, that's tough. And Gretchen's advice clearly doesn't have anything to say. She's like, ah, what they all said? And God. And make sure you have room for faith. Faith.

Every opportunity that you get to talk about it, you do it. Shoving it down our throats. I don't believe it any more than the first time you brought it up. No, and the more you say it, the less I believe it. Yeah. We get the setup for Amsterdam, so we know that we're headed there. I didn't realize we'd be going the same episode, but it is what it is. So now we just get everybody getting ready for Amsterdam.

We get to check in with Harry and Tether. Harry and Tether are chatting it up about their house. We get a little update on the house. As we know, the house already sold. Not at this point, obviously, but it sold for 16-5. Didn't they lose like $2 million or something? They ended up losing, I thought it was $4 million. Was it $4?

Yeah. Might have been $4. But maybe they were trying to get it up to $20. I think they sold it for less than they bought it, though. No, I think it sold for $14.5. They paid 16.5. They wanted to get it to 25. Yeah, yeah.

That's right. Yeah, and talking to their real estate agent, he's like, you know, Josh Flagg. It's certainly not overpriced. You think? Every one of Josh's cameos, he's always just like somewhat relaxed in like a fucking robe. Well, he was staying at the hotel in Beverly Hills

because Heather's putting him up there. He's like, I'll just stay here for a few weeks. Mooch? Yeah. Sell the house, dude. But after that, Mom, calls Heather, and they're talking about Heather's dad who passed away a few years ago, and she found the ashes, I guess, in like a little velvet sack in a, I don't know if she found

them or would they scent? It's like a, like a Nordstrom shopping bag. Yeah, and then there was like a nice velvety thing in that sack, because dad never had his ashes spread is what we get from this. And I guess, which I had no idea, Heather's family lived in Amsterdam. She lived there growing up. She'd go back and forth. her dad worked I guess the headquarters of their company were over there so she's excited for

Amsterdam but I was a little shocked when she talked about her relationship with her dad yeah because she's like you know my relationship with my dad now is pretty much what it was before I was like oh oh god do we laugh is mers in the purse is mers in the purse I don't know what to say about it it's it's weird that we're getting another ashes spreading type of storyline here on a trip I don't know if that's a new housewives trope We're just going to start doing that for everybody I'm down with that trope

Because it's so specific Yeah it was a little bizarre to hear her talking about this I appreciate the honesty honestly The thing is And I'll just do it right now Before we even get to Amsterdam They were doing like casual tourist shit Where's the luxury?

I don't know Like Heather was running Well I guess Heather wasn't necessarily running the trip But like she went to Amsterdam She lived in Amsterdam her parents lived in Amsterdam for 15 years, you would think maybe there would be something a little bit more swanky.

But, I mean, the way they were dressed, don't even fucking get me started on it. I only don't want to talk about us. Outrageous. They looked like idiots. They didn't do anything. Like, they did stuff that I could do, which was annoying. Here's a thing. Okay, for everyone else in the group,

I agree. But, because of who Heather is, I actually appreciate when she does things that we do. No, the weed, the cafe that they went to. I mean, all of the touristy shit. Yeah, I don't know. I just wanted like a little bit more elegance in class.

Like, Beverly Hills sucks, but imagine the Beverly Hills women going over there. They would do so much more. They would end up in a speakeasy that overlooks the entire city. And it would be incredible. And we've seen Amsterdam trips before and they usually have a meltdown attached to them. But they've always been very classy and very interesting and very fun. And then they have the meltdown. This was like, yeah, let's just go to some tourist places and do a couple of peanuts.

sculptures and walk around the city and go to the red light district. I figured they were, this is probably the most over-sexualized group of women. Oh yeah, I think so. It, by far, as far as housewives go. Ah, Miami's close. But Miami, it's smoother when they talk about it. Miami's just a lot of dick jokes.

Yeah. This is like, they're, they're just constantly talking about it, which, you know, whatever, I don't really care. But yeah, that was my kind of, my overlook of the entire, my overview, rather, of the entire trip was, I could do all these things. I don't really want to watch them do it. That's fair.

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out of the ordinary. But let's get to my favorite scene with Gina and Travis. Why was this your favorite scene? I'm kidding. I wrote down immediately uninterested in my book. Yeah. And it's not even her fault. I just don't care.

I just genuinely do not care what Gina and Travis are up to. That's it. And it's, you know, it's nice. It was kind of interesting. He volunteers now at the school and the gym class to see his son. and that it's kind of interesting too. His son moved back in to their house, which is good because his son was living with his mom.

Like, that's all nice stuff. And, like, Travis seems like a great guy to figure out a way to get more time with his son. And then that eventually led to his son moving back into the house. So, like, all of this is nice. It's great. It's great. And then, I'm sorry, but, like, ruins the entire scene.

We just, like, talk about my balls or something. Can you make a ball joke? I was like, no, no. You need, like, 15 of these scenes for, us to forget about all that and then maybe we'll start to be invested well because the problem is gina i mean yes we don't really care what she's doing that but on top of that every scene you guys are in there's a ball joke yeah so like give us a reprieve from the balls please for the love of god we can't breathe like nothing happens in this moment like yeah it's emotional it's sweet it's

nice great that's it that was it it was also this is going to be mean but it was just like a very casual, like, weird. I almost got, like, dive bar vibes. Like, they probably have great wings there. No, it was probably, like, one of those chain restaurants that's supposed to look like a dive bar. Oh, God. They probably had, like, a Ruby Tuesdays.

I haven't been to a Ruby Tuesdays in a long time. But the funny thing was, this was not a very classy establishment, and it seemed like they go there all the time. Yeah. Because the waitress comes over. She's like, I got your booth all ready for you. What a drab? You know each other.

I know what's going on here. You guys come here all the time. And, of course, it's Gina that does this because we always mock about it. Again, you know, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's a housewife show. I don't care about being a middle class. No, I thrive in dive bars. We're not shitting on those places. It's fun watching really rich people go to a dive bar.

But when Gina walks into the dive bar, I'm like, you belong here. Yeah, you're just doing your Tuesday routine. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. So let's get to Jen and Ryan. And Ryan is just trying to ask some questions about the trip. Are you getting along with everyone? I was thinking with Tamara.

Like, what's going on? She's getting dressed in everything. Right? Yeah. Not a sex, no sex joke. Yeah. And they're talking about sex shows. She brings up a sex show.

She's like, oh, last time I was there, we went to this, da-da-da. He doesn't make a sex joke. Yep. That's crazy. So Terry and Heather went to a live sex show and he was like, well, that's kind of interesting. Like live porn, but that's kind of uncomfortable, right? And I'm like, who is this guy? Who are you?

What the hell's going? He did save himself at the end with the trench code joke. Yeah. Which is fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's cool. You guys are in love. You guys love each other.

You enjoy having sex. Great. But he didn't overdo it. I know. It's shocking. He's like helping her two. Look, I have to point out. He just got knee surgery a couple of weeks ago at this point.

Oh, that's right. He's going up and down the stairs with luggage and stuff. He's just a great guy. I'm still holding that. That's fine. One of us can do it. Well, she's concerned. concerned about this wedding because of how the last wedding went or the last marriage went.

So she's like really concerned that she's going to jing something and she's just and maybe this leads to what's going on on social media now where she's just like panicky or a little stressed about the whole thing. I don't know. I think they got married. They did get married. Yeah. Okay. So think. So then I don't know what's going. Again, this is, they said October. This is probably not, we, over now. Yeah, it's October now. Wow. I don't know why I thought that was funny. And this might not be what you want to hear from, you know, Bravo podcasters, but I am not that keyed into Jen's life.

I don't know if they got married. I don't know if they got married. I don't know if they got married. I didn't know if they were talking about October. Yeah, well, I mean, they threw a lot of dates around there. I wouldn't be surprised if they had like a weird, it's not really a shotgun wedding because they've been planning it for so long. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were like, oh, we've got this weekend open.

Let's just go do it. That would make sense to me just with. just with Dawson's schedule. Yeah. Let's just fact check real quick. Yeah, we're going to fact. Why not? What else are we doing here?

Anybody? Talking about nonsense. No marriage picks. All right, so there's no way it happened. Guess they did not get married yet. So, yeah, maybe something happens. Yeah, I don't know. I can't imagine it was Ryan's fault, though.

I don't, I'm not saying something happened between them. I'm saying if she's leading up to the wedding and is this stressed out about the wedding, maybe it's wedding centric, not implying that the wedding's not going to happen. Could be, yeah. Just she's a little bit more stressed than usual. But Will comes up again due to the missing payments, adding stress to everything because finances come up a lot. In regards to Will, as we know, he hasn't paid any of his child support, although he signed

a loan with his son to send his other son to college. Yeah. Okay, cool. But I thought Ryan, diving into it here, it wasn't overly aggressive. Mm-hmm. He brought up good points. And I do feel like we're at a point where these are his kids as well. So he's allowed, maybe that's what it is.

I feel like he's now allowed to comment on it. Yeah, he's done the work. Right. We've seen the work. And we've seen the results of said work. Yeah. Between the kids talking about him and everything else. And it's, but it's also the things that he's been saying and doing on the show.

He was, I don't want to say unbearable last year, but he was that kind of guy where it's like, all right, every time he's on the screen, he's going to say something. He's going to make a bigger deal out of it. And then he's going to make a sex joke. hasn't done any of that this year. He's just been what we want from a house husband, if you will. We just want you to kind of be there, add a little bit more, allow your wife to talk a little bit more, try to get into it a little bit, maybe from a more emotionally vulnerable standpoint where she feels like she can talk to you about it and she can't talk to the other woman about it. That's all you have to be as a house husband. And I think he's doing that

pretty well. Yeah, let's just hope he doesn't get too comfortable and then he starts going the other way again. Yeah, I don't know. But for now, he's doing fine. And let's get to Eddie and Tamara. These two hate each other. They hate each other. Yeah. Like, it's not even like that quirky. Like, oh, this is how we love.

It's like, you guys just don't like each other. I've got OC reruns from, I don't know. It was Alexis and Gretchen were on there. I want to say it was season nine. It was when her and Eddie first started. Was it anything like this? Yeah. It pretty much always was like this.

I think they've always been like this. Now that I'm thinking about it, like, yeah, there was a little bit more passion, but, and he was on it a lot more, which he hasn't really been on in a whole lot this year. That's fine. Which is fine by me, but it does still have that same feel, that same vibe pretty much from when they started dating. Now they're married, but I just don't know what it is.

Like, he just seems so unhappy. And the way they're talking in this scene in particular, he's pointing out, and this is something we haven't seen before, but pointing out all of the issues, basically holding Tamara's hand and walking her to, you have a. problem with alcohol. Yeah. But he won't say it outright. He'll say for our relationship. You should never drink. Never drink again. Whoa. That is a wild statement. Like just with the band-aid off. Just tell her. Yeah. Yeah. You drinking causes problems. If so facto, you have a drinking problem. And I do think it's interesting. And I do think it's a move. The minute she sits down,

we get soda water with lime, I'm like, that's because of her and because of Eddie pointing out things like that, now I'm overanalyzing where it's like, this is a move. You got this. Well, you know where we've seen that before last season with Shadden. Oh, yeah, that's right. And when she would go and hang out with Tamara, she was always making it a point, just soda water with wine. Yeah, you're right.

See? So this was a move. Yeah, I don't buy any of the shit that she's selling. The funny thing is if she intentionally stole something that Shadden was doing. That would be fun. When she was being accused of drinking too much, she's like, oh, actually worked out pretty well for her. Maybe I should try that one.

Oh, you think that by trying to, like, make fun of Shannon, she's going to become sober? That would actually, oh, man, that would be a mock. She mocks her into sobriety. Something has to give at some point between Tamara and Shannon. It's not working. Shannon is completely turning it off at this point. If she were to go the root of, I'm going to stop drinking and then open a door for potential friendship with Shannon, and Shannon still closes it, she's going to mock her.

And she's going to say, I'm a better person than you are by not drinking. and that's going to open up a whole floodgate of shit with Shannon. I think that might be her line that she needs to actually cross over. That would be really interesting, actually. Hmm. Hmm. We know Tamara likes to plant seeds here and there, so I wouldn't be surprised. That's a good point.

Although I also can't imagine Tamara not drinking. No, and she always talks about her alludes to like not drinking that much or not having a problem. And all we need really is Eddie to get aggravated and spill some tea for us because Tamer's irritated by him chewing and breathing. Mm-hmm. God, quit chewing. God, you're such an asshole. He didn't even, like, clap back for her to call him an asshole.

He was simply chewing his cowboy steak. Of course, Eddie was a cowboy steak. Just rolled on here on my Harley Davidson and my grunt-style t-shirt. Yeah. Now I'm going to eat a steak. Dushbag. Fuck out of here. And you can tell Eddie's kind of reaching a point because he's like, look, this is what

happens. You drink and then you come at me. It's the way you talk to me when you drink. She's like, well, do you think I have a drink? drinking problem. For our marriage, you should never drink again. And she laughs. And then Eddie mocks her laugh. I don't think there's any sign or any bigger sign of I can't fucking stand this person than doing the irritated mock laugh. Yeah. Like, that's the killer. I think this is also the best evidence that we have for Tamara can't turn it off.

She's always activated for the show. And I think that's her personality now. Because he didn't bat an eye when she responded with, do you think I have a drinking problem? That's for the cameras, but I do think when the cameras aren't there, she's going to do the same thing. She just can't turn it off. I agree. Like, that is a bizarre response. It was a bizarre to that. It was a bizarre dinner. But for him to say

that and then her to just jump right into, do you think I have a drinking problem? Let's discuss. No one does that. Clearly on your mind, Tamara. Yeah. One, it's clearly on your mind, so maybe you do. Two, no one talks like that. You have a completely different fight, probably about it. And then you start going into other things, and then maybe you get back

to it at some point. You have a serious conversation. No one is ripping the bandit off that quickly. Do you think I have a drinking problem? What? I just think you hate each other. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Let's get to Amsterdam. And I think I've reached such a point with this show, Shannon's wacky shit falling, not being able to, like, walk. I enjoyed it. I hate it. I thought it was so funny. I hate all of it. I'm so over this shit, dude. Like, she can't even get out of the car without getting hit by a bike. Like, you're an adult.

I didn't think that part was I thought it was funny When she got high Then it was funny It should have been But at that point I was just For you yeah

Yeah I was so irritated that I was just like Can you stop doing the practical Like it's old Yeah But again They get to Amsterdam

And they do all of the same shit That anybody else can do Oh They get on the boat And they ride the canals And you know We just get like a quick little History lesson about

How Amsterdam works And all the canals That's something else there too What's that? Emily finally got a diagnosis. Oh, yeah, I kind of glossed over that. Well, maybe we should have waited for the diagnosis before airing out your shit, your kid's laundry on TV. I don't know. Like that, that moment, I know what that moment was supposed to be. It's like, ah, we did it everybody. It's supposed to be like the

audience and Emily simultaneously being like, ah, and like that didn't happen. It was still like shoehorned in with a weird, oh yeah, I went to build a bear last week and got a bear built and talked into it so that he can hear my voice when I'm away. And we remember going back to New Orleans, she made a whole big thing about how she can't go anywhere and do anything because she feels bad. And it's like you don't feel that bad. You're still at New Orleans.

So I feel like maybe she kind of learned from that. And this was more. And obviously it's a European trip. You're probably gone for longer and you're much further away. You can still say the same thing. And we're going to look at you like, why are you going away if you say that you shouldn't? Right. So instead it's we finally got a diagnosis.

And also I left him a build a bear thing. with my voice in it. So in case he misses me, it's like, what are we doing? I don't know. Yeah. It's just, it's shoehorned in, like you said. I don't know why that's been her focus this entire season to just try to find places to clumsily push this storyline in there.

She, just no need. I'm sorry, but the way that this cast works, you don't have to do dick. Nothing. You have to do absolutely nothing. You can show up to every event. You can have a couple of one-liners and just move on with your life. you're not going to lose your job. No.

These, for whatever reason, these producers will not do anything. They will only bring back people that we think could make Tamara a little uncomfortable, and then they end up not doing it. Right. That's all they do. You and Gina have coasted for years doing fucking nothing. And now you want to try to do stuff. And now you're going to try to do something at the expense of your son?

Yes. Like, why? There's no need. It makes no sense. Like, your presence is still going to piss everybody off because we don't want you on the show anymore. We didn't really want you on the show to begin. with but now you're going to do this it just doesn't make any sense it's not even like a last ditch effort it's just unnecessary no and then she pivots from that to ask tamara or ask shannon if you

thought that tamara's being shady when she asked about your dad yeah it's like okay now you're trying to produce drama at least you're trying to do your job i guess but the way that this goes it this is the moment i think because up until this point i was kind of whatever this was my turning point because for her to sit there and say you know i think she was like being genuine. Shut up. Why? Why? Why do we have to constantly come to Tamra's defense? Why do you have to constantly try to force this? There was a little, there was a piece there where maybe things could have turned. And we saw it a couple of weeks ago. Emily was standing up to Tamara. She was in Tamara's house and Tamara ran away and she was making fun of her. We thought maybe you were

finally going to do something to go against her. Somehow three weeks later, you're now up her ass again. I just don't get how we get from there to there. When people are finally looking at you, you're doing something. And that's all you really have to do is you just have to go toe to toe to with Tamara, and you'll take center stage. Every single season, you can do this. And it would be fine. It wouldn't be very good TV, but at least for you, it would be good. You tried to do that. It worked out really well. You rattled the shit out of her. And then you're in Amsterdam, and all of a sudden, oh, I think that she meant well. Now you're her advocate again. You're just, you're a hypocrite. It drove me up a wall.

I hate the demeanor of the entire group when Shannon responds with no. Yeah. Like, of course not. And everybody watching is like, yeah, duh, why would she? We've watched this happen over and over again. She finally set some boundaries. And now you're trying to force her back into this friendship. Do you not remember last season when she was literally trying to get her to fall off the wagon and drink again?

Yep. So no, like none of this is okay. Not to mention, she's also been steadfast with all the women and in her confessionals about how she doesn't want a friendship with Tamara. Why is this like groundbreaking news? Oh, really? You're still not going to be friends with her? Why would she? Why does she have to be?

I don't get it. Why is this obsession with trying to recreate this friendship? And not even to mention the fact that Shannon brings up, we were talking about the alcohol part of it, that you were trying to shove her down this hole last year. Not even referencing the C word being used at Shannon 19 times. And it's a great example. Well, if I called you the C word 19 times,

times would you want to be friends again she's like oh well are you that right there is why emily she doesn't want to be friends with tamara like you just watched it in real time but you're going to do the thing you always do and be like oh that's just tamra that's just tamara katie can't do half of what tamara did because that's awful but tamara's being tamara again oh i'm so wacky my friends are crazy aren't i entertaining no no and i'm miserable what happened to um growth with Tamara. Wasn't she showing growth? No. Yeah, but didn't the cast think that she was showing growth? No, they tried to force

feed us that they saw that. Like, we've seen none. I don't understand, like, how you can watch that play out on the boat and say that she's showing growth. Even still, I do think that we've seen some semblance of she's at least thinking sometimes before she speaks.

It's still the same result, but there is a little hesitation there. That's growth for Tamara. There was no hesitation with this one. No. This was just rip it right off. Let's go. after it. I'm going to start dropping the C word left of right, right in Shannon's face. Right after all of this. And that's the

other part of this that really bothers me. We could have a somewhat good storyline if Tamara was really trying to be friends of the Shannon. And she had to do it on her own. She had to really just go after it, grovel, do whatever you have to do if you really want to be Shannon's

friend. Instead, all we're getting is like Emily and Heather and everybody kind of coming together. Like, I can't believe they're still not friends. Let's talk about how they can become friends again. We should be watching Tamara try to be friends with Shannon. Tamara doesn't have to do anything. We have just sits there and much like how whenever Tamara fucks up, everybody has to then immediately look at Tamara and be like,

oh, it's okay, you can come back and be friends with us. Everybody in the group does their dirty work for. Now we're just seeing it play out with becoming Shannon's friend again. Yeah. Like, why? What's the point? I mean, Tamara and Shannon have been on this show for a long time. They were friends for a long time.

Throw in Vicky, Trace Amigas. why is Tamara not making an effort to be friends with Shannon that could be somewhat compelling instead it's emily gina heather you should be friends with tamar again why are you not friends with tamar again we don't want to watch that it's just stupid it's dumb and it the logic is non-existent because we all see why and we all agree with why yeah all of you advocating for this tamara hasn't had to do shit and every time she does step up to the plate to try to do something this happens and she shows that she hasn't grown and yet all of you want to try to force Shannon back into this friendship

despite the fact that this friendship almost caused her to relapse and not relapse because she's not completely sober but while she was trying to figure out her shit with alcohol last year this almost sent her down a really bad path and you guys are trying to force her into that hole again it's it's maddening maddening to watch yeah very bizarre oh boy let's get to space cakes and penis making, as I wrote down here, 10A and 10B, and we get more of the same

of what we just watched, this desperate attempt to try to, one, make Shannon look bad and two, try to understand, why aren't you friends with Tamara? Because Heather brings up the fact that she's still friends with Alexis, or sorry, that Jen is still friends with Alexis, and Shannon's still friends with Jen. Oh, I'll just dumb it down. It's because it's not remotely the same thing. Okay? because, yeah, that's fucked up. I don't agree with it. But at the same time, Jen hasn't done a list of horrible things to Shannon.

That's the difference here. Also, Jen and Shannon discussed it. And Shannon didn't have an issue with her being friends with Alexis just going to the wedding. Yeah. Which Jen said, I'm not going to go to the wedding. I got the saves the date. But I don't want to mess up anything between you and me by going to the wedding. And Shannon even said, thank you.

I really appreciate that. A normal exchange on this show. could have seen that coming. And still that's not enough. Nope. Well, I mean, she's still friends with her. She still talks to her all the time. That's when we get the juxtapost scene. Yeah, I talk to her every once in a while. She sent the saves a date. I told Shannon

that I wasn't going to go to her wedding because I didn't want to best anything. You're going to let Shannon decide who you're friends with? It is wild to me. Crazy. And it's, again, she's not deciding, and even Shannon said it herself in her confessional. I'm not going to play the dangerous game of telling people who they can and can't be friends with.

But yeah, there's going to be repercussions if you're going to hang out with a person that hurt me. Normal. That is so normal. And I feel like the sense of normalcy is so lost on this show for whatever reason, especially when it comes to Shannon,

that it doesn't make sense to anybody else. How can you not be friends with Tamara, but you're going to allow, allow Jen to be friends with Alexis? What? The logic is so dumb. Yeah. So dumb and then immediately...

It's not like Shannon and Jen are best friends doing shit together all the time. They're filming together. And yeah, every once in a while, they have a one-on-one scene, maybe a phone call. That's not best friends. No, and I, yes, she did throw her a bridal luncheon for Emily to go this far down this weird

pass she's taking and go, do you think she did it for you or did she do it for herself? Are you fucking kidding? It was the dumbest shit I've ever heard. At this point, I was a real think piece. Like, what are you talking about? No. Why? She didn't fucking do it for herself.

If she did it, if she hosted the party at that red door place that we went to in the beginning of the season, which seems 10 months ago. I know. If she did it at that red door place and she talked once again about how she's going to get a plaque with her name on it or whatever the hell it was, then okay, yes, maybe Shannon did it for herself. Maybe she just got one more stamp on that little postcard for the red door place, and she's one stamp away from getting that plaque.

Fine, I get that. She didn't do that. No. Just threw it for her. And yeah, Jen goes, I don't really like those things. They make me a little uncomfortable. There's always a fucking, and I'm not saying Shannon's going to be a bridesmaid. But there's always a fucking bridesmaid that makes something a big deal

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Emily, and of course Tamara's going to jump on and be like, of course she did it for herself because she's just trying to get back at me by being friends with Jen and Grant. Or maybe she just wants to be friends with Jen. Or maybe this is just a nice thing. Emily, I get it. You're trying. And this is why you shouldn't, I guess.

Yeah. Like, this was the worst attempt to drum up drama that I've seen on this show. The worst with Emily is when she does try to drum up any drama, she always has this air about her. Like, I got you. Yeah. Oh, I got you on this one. This is going to be huge. And it's never.

It never lands. It never lands. We don't care. We want you to go away. Honestly. Yeah. And then now we're smoking blunts and stuff. And Gretchen says, I just don't think there's any way for Tamara and I to ever mend things.

This entire fucking show. is about other people trying to fix Tamara's friendships and that's why this show is horrible. These are not interesting storylines or plot points. None of us give two shits who Tamara is friends with and this show has gone so far off the rails of just trying to replicate and repeat

the same stupid-ass process season in and season out. Tamara has fallout with person. Other people still like Tamara. They go to Tamara's defense. Tamara turns on them, everything falls apart, reunion, repeat. And this show is so predictable, so boring, and your castmates and cast members have completely lost any ability, any ability whatsoever to come up with an organic, fun, interesting storyline.

Instead, they all grab onto Tamara's coattails, regardless of whether they're friends with her or not, and force feed us this. bullshit and act like they're killing it. And I think maybe that's the part that that drives me the craziest is because of what you just said, Emily has this air about her when she's like, did she do it for you or her? Like she just fucking killed it. It's like, wow, this, you think this is your best work. You really genuinely think that.

And that right there is why this show is fucking trash. And that's the funny thing, too. It's not even an indictment on Tamara. It's an indictment on everybody else. Yes. Tamara's not really doing anything wrong. A lot of people still tune into OC because of Tamara because of what she's going to do.

She's an incredibly capable housewife. The supporting cast is awful. Their storylines are so dumb and meaningless. Nothing's going on. The only person who can really carry water is Heather. And Heather's checked out because she wants to go to Beverly Hills. That's all we get. That's what we get season in and season out.

And the rest of it is, let's see if this person can get to the upper middle class and maybe they can do a little bit more. Like, I don't give a shit. I don't care. I don't watch housewives to watch poor people. what do you want me to do i knew i'd get you on my side by the end of this but uh yeah

that is the end of it nothing happens nothing happened this whole episode they go to dinner and then like half of the crew is high and they're goofing around and it was fun to watch shannon goof around and use the glass as a prop and heather was having a good time that was okay but like what i don't know bro wearing the stupid shit the fashion is really the only I think that sheds me off the most. Like, whatever the fuck Gina and Gina. No, Gina actually looked normal.

Whatever the fuck Emily was wearing, whatever she's wearing this entire season, fire. Fire that person. Insert anybody in this Amsterdam trip. Whatever Tamara was wearing. Emily. Tamara's consistent. She dresses the same she dressed like 15 years ago. The outfits were Amsterdam.

We're stupid. We're particularly bad. Yeah. Let's get to questions. Like, this is. This is the never-ending show. This, I feel like we just copied and pasted two years ago. That's what I feel like now.

Remember how long that felt? This might be longer. There's a great starting question. Ryan Stoneman. Oh, boy. Who's madam outfit do you like more? Jen, Emily, or Tamras. They can all go to hell.

They all suck. They need to fire their designers. They need to fire their, whoever the fuck their fashion person is. If it's themselves, fire yourself. I do not. care. I really hope that Ryan doesn't really like their outfits because they all look like idiots.

I think Ryan trolls us now. I think he does too. From Josie T. Bear, can everyone just be high all season would make this show more interesting? That's the thought that I had, honestly. That's the most, I feel like I've liked a lot of people is when they're high. Because they're just goofy and nothing seems to matter. I don't think there would really be any drama, but it would be better than what

else. Yeah, I agree with that. Here's more hypocrisy. From Lindsey Bucks, why could Emily tell Tamer not to talk to Katie but gets pissed when Shannon said Jen couldn't attend John and Alexis's wedding? Because Emily doesn't keep track of her shit. She doesn't know what she's

saying because she's just trying to say anything hoping that something will actually land. She doesn't actually sit there and think, oh, is this contradictory or hypocritical? Maybe I should just shut up. No, she's going to say it. It's not going to land. and then she's going to act like it did,

and I'm going to be at home mad. Yeah. We got a couple of outfit comments from a car millionaire, who dressed them and why? Petravan outfits, question, question, question. It's in, what the fuck were those outfits for Amsterdam? Who was the best dress scooter? None of them.

They all look like idiots. I guess Heather, probably, because I didn't really realize what she was wearing. Gina, because she looked normal. Gina looked normal. Yeah, everybody else, no idea what the hell is going on. that's coming from me. I wear a crop top today.

I wear wacky shit. Like, what the fuck? From B-Man Graham, 0727, is anyone going to call out Emily for stirring the pot? Stop trying to make Gretcher's happen. You're welcome. No, nobody's going to call Emily out for stirring the pot. Oh, I was like, yeah, we did. No, we did.

No one else is going to do it on the show. It's also that time of the season where people are starting to check out. Yeah. And that's kind of hard to even tell with this show because it seems like they're checking to begin with. same level of energy. Yeah. So they are actually checked out at this point.

I wish we could check out. Yeah, wouldn't that be nice? I think that's pretty much it. Yeah, a lot of outfit comments. That sums up the episode pretty well. Yeah, it's all I got. Great. So stoked.

That was great. No. Sorry. We're almost there. I think there's two episodes left. Why? What? I think there's one more Amsterdam.

and then one more back in O.C., and that's probably when Katie's going to come back in to set up the reunion. Is that 19? I don't know, dude. Watch Robin's Live as fucked to be up. Yeah, I know. The numbers are insane.

I don't know. Okay. I can do it. I can do it. You can do it. Power through. Although it's a three-part reunion, I'm assuming.

So five episodes. That's a month and a week. It's five more weeks. It's going to be Christmas, and we're still going to be talking about O.C. Will? No, that's like eight. It'll be, nine weeks away.

It'll be close. It'll be Christmas. Your Christmas tree will be up and we will be talking about OC. Oh, that's depressing. Yeah, right? Well, now we get to talk about Potomac, which I'm loving. So I'm just going to wrap this up. You got anything else?

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