Bros & Shows - An Elevated Episode- (RHOBH update, Southern Charm S08E09+10)

Episode Date: August 27, 2022

The ladies of RHOBH took a week off but the BravBros certainly didn’t. In this weeks episode we discuss the appalling comments on Jax’s Instagram. Then we check in with the Vanderpump crew to talk about a potential new relationship brewing… Our “piece de resistance” this week (as Whitney would so smugly say) is catching up on the last two episodes of Southern Charm. Naomi shocks the world and we dive into a wide variety of drama amongst the cast members of Charleston. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. for whoever wants to listen.

I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Shooter Magouter. Shoots, how are you today? I'm feeling great, you know, I feel like a changed man. I know a lot of the listeners may wonder, why do we get postponed for a couple days? Yeah, where have we been? Yeah, we usually record on Wednesday night, but as we know, we have a stigma for vacations on this podcast. Yeah, we've actually, we've had that we're anti-vacation here. And yet we keep going on these vacations.

Well, I will argue that this might be one of the best reasons to go on vacation and postpone the podcast. And I will let you announce to our listeners, why are we delayed? Why do we have to push a day? Yeah, so we got delayed because I am officially a fiancé. Wow. I proposed to my girlfriend. I've been dating her for three and a half years, almost four years now. Has it been that long?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, COVID makes the water's a little murky. Interesting. But yeah, three and a half years in and, yeah, proposed to my girlfriend. And so we needed an extra day or two to kind of, you know, get situated before I get back into my fun job sitting here and talking to you. Well, let me be the first to say on air, congratulations. I'm fucking psyched for you. I knew it was happening this week. So I tried to leave you alone while you were down the shore as much as I possibly could. But we had a ton of shit pop off in the Bron Bros world in a positive way. Um, big shout out to the Bravo Chicks on Instagram, um, reposted one of our things and gave

us like, I think we gained like 1,200 followers in a day. Hell yeah. Yeah. So big shout out to them. They're great. Um, they cover everything. Give us a lot of our info as well. So, um, thank you to the Bravo Chicks.

And on top of that, um, we have a lot of big announcements coming up in the near future. I can't share them yet. But let's just say things are happening for the brav bros. Yeah, things are getting pretty exciting. And, you know, one more thing on my engagement. This just means I'm locked into Bravo for the rest of my life. That's true. You married Bravo as well.

I married into Bravo and couldn't be happier about it, you know? Fuck yeah. Yeah, we're here. Bravo Bros. But life. And you may notice I got dressed up for this episode. And I would argue that I may have gotten dressed up regardless, even if I didn't have something to do after this

just because I felt out shown last week every time I cut a clip together I was like fuck I'm like I look like a bum and you're like decked out It's funny because I really didn't think it was going to be like a thing And then I looked at the comments and they're like wow Shoots really got decked out for this Not only did they call me shoots

Which is funny because a lot of people call me that like in our circle You didn't know that commenter No who was that? Oh I don't know Oh no I had no idea I thought they were like a friend of yours Well you know what it is like on TikTok a lot of times people don't really make a TikTok like a whole profile

if they're not going to post anything they just want to look at videos so it was like user seven ones whatever said that and I was like nice I really hope they don't know you and just organically called you shoots because we all call shoot

shoots all the time yeah see I almost did it there yeah oh interesting if that person hears this send us a DM and let us know if you actually know shooter because I want to know yeah but yeah I mean I I've been up since 7.30, you know, I packed a whole house, cleaned the whole house,

and came all the way back here, unpacked. But I'm ready to roll. Are you ready? You locked in? Not only that, I watched, and people may frown upon this. Well, my girlfriend was with me, but fiancé was with me. Yeah, you got to get used to saying that. And we watched two episodes of Southern Charm on the way back. That's commitment. Just to, you know. And unsafe. Yeah. I wasn't really watching. It was mostly like listening and glancing down. We were in a lot of traffic. So there was a lot of standstill going on there. know if you will. Yeah. So no better way to spend my ride home than, especially stuck in traffic, than watch a little Southern charm. With your fiance. With my fiance. Yeah. Keep saying it. Get used to it.

I know. We do. We do have to get used to that. Well, let's dive right in. We got, you know, the Beverly Hills Housewives took a week off. I don't know if that is because of all the shit that was happening. I think it was because of my engagement. I would like to think that's the reason as well. I don't respect for you. Yeah, because when I saw that there was no episode, I was like, some sort of godsend going on here, you know, a week. Yeah, very timely off week for them because it allowed us to kind of push this without really messing up our schedules. But let's talk about it. So on Garcell's son's Instagram page, there was countless just awful, awful comments to a 14-year-old kid.

They were racial in nature. They were degrading. They were, I mean, profanity-laced. Like, they were just disgusting. I mean, they really were. It was genuinely tough to read some of them. Like, and the fact that, what's rule number three? What's the Bravo rule number three?

Leave the kids out of it. Leave the kids out of it. I haven't saw that exact motto or, I guess, phrase verbatim by Bravo on Twitter, on Instagram, leave the kids out of it. And I mean, we've been saying, forever. I don't understand where it comes from. And when Garcell posted, you know, this is from Jacks. And it was, you know, a very well written just like addressing the whole thing. And in there, he said, these middle-aged women coming after me. And like, that's honestly what I thought, too.

I was like, who gets this worked up about anything? It's really like sports fans that come after people's kids and they come after people's wives. And it's like, just enough. Just enjoy it or don't. don't do this and bring yourself to another level. And that's, I mean, that's why the internet gets to be such a scary place. Yeah, it's a shit show. And, like, I appreciated that multiple housewives came out from all across the franchises. And they commented on the fact, like, this is a television program. We are paid to entertain you on TV, period.

Yep. They even addressed, like, yeah, it gets outrageous. Yeah, we go over the top. Sure. But that is for your entertainment for an hour on television. you start to, you know, toe that line of reality TV and real life, and you feel the need to get involved in their real lives to the point that you're degrading their child.

Like, this is a 14-year-old who is about to start high school as a freshman, and this is how he's going to remember his freshman year. Yep. Like, freshman year is tough enough. Let's be real. Like, a 14-year-old, especially today, I can't imagine growing up with fucking social media the way it is. Like, you have to be worried about getting shit on by,

people in your class on social media. Now you have to worry about people all over the country saying hurtful, racist things on your Instagram account. Like, that's fucking insane to me that anybody, I cannot imagine watching a television show, any TV show. And then going on that person's account, their real actual account, finding their family members, and then proceeding to shit on them. Like that, it just, in my head does not make sense.

Who the fuck would do that? It's a different level of crazy that. I, for one, I'm happy that I can't even put my mind into that kind of state because if I can do that, then that means I'm a lot closer to that, then I really would like to be. And I can't. So, like, I mean, that makes me more steps away from that craziness that shouldn't really exist. And honestly, when things like this happen, I'm going to, it's going to be a little playful, but I start to think, you know, maybe Thanos was right. Like, just half of the people. there's so many people out there that just don't really like they shouldn't be around like they shouldn't

have access to the internet they shouldn't have access to really anything it's just like come on like think about it what the fuck are you doing yeah if you can take the time i your day to go after a 14 year old kid who's done nothing wrong and he's already been berated on national television by Erica yeah and i didn't and here's the thing i mean i'll i'll kind of pull back on it a little bit but yeah, Erica had that moment. But when Erica then puts out a statement and people are like, well, Erica, like just a couple of weeks ago, I watched you say, you know, get the fuck out of here to her. That's a little different.

That's, whoa, whoa. Let me, yeah, that's way different. But the people that then, like, liken those two things together, that's not fair to Erica. I agree. She did dig herself a hole a little bit later, but that's not really fair to her. Like, she was drunk and this, and I'm not making an excuse for her behavior. It was bad behavior. No, but you could argue that.

That's not what this was. This was terrible, disgusting behavior on the fucking internet where you can just kind of like, you know, put a mask on and nobody knows who you are. Exactly. And I, to your point, like, Erica, you could argue, was attempting to be playful and it came off the wrong way. Yeah. Like, there's different ways to look at that, like, depending on what your perspective is. Whereas the comments on Jackson's Instagram, you can take them one way and one way only, and that is horrible. And it leads to the question, people are now claiming that these are bots.

They are not real people. Somebody paid. Now, I'm not, and I might be dating myself here, I'm not 100% sure what a bot is. I'm assuming it's a, like, a computer-generated comment. Yeah, it's a computer-generated account, and then it'll comment whatever you want on it, and you can just kind of spam these comments out there. So bots usually refer to if you click on any popular page, whether it's, you know, from Barstall to ESPN to Bravo TV, even, you'll see, like, the first 15 are like,

come check out my only fans. Yeah, no, no. I know, that's a bot. Yeah, but so are those comments written by real people and then spammed out? Pretty much. Yeah, it's like an AI type of thing where you can put out. This is the phrase that I'm looking for. They'll twist it around a little bit and just, and spam the hell out of it.

I don't understand who the hell has a vendetta this strong against Garcel to do something like this. It's kind of disgusting. And the guy who pointed out the bot was a guy that we talked about who I'm not sure if he's real, but we talked about him a couple of weeks ago during the Rina Kathy Hilton thing. His name's Patrick Summers, we think. And he's the guy who started the rumor about Kathy and Rina having a falling out,

which we'll see play out in the next couple of weeks from Aspen. But he's the guy who was kind of the face of that whole fallout and rumored situation. And now he's back with this saying it could just be all bots. Nobody said that it was bots except for this guy. And then the internet ran with it. Garcel never said it. Everybody's just addressing it. Like, it's real people out there doing this.

And it probably is. I 100% believe this is real people. And I think that if it is bot driven, then somebody within the group started this shit. Like, whether it be Diana, some people are pointing fingers at Erica. I don't think it was Erica. I do think that it was Diana. I think Diana's behind this whole fucking thing. And I will say that proudly on the air.

Wow. Yeah. You heard it here first. You heard it here first. I don't think I feel that strongly about it. I'm not going to make a statement like that, but I support you. just, look, I'll do it. I just, I think that her reaction to the whole thing has been deplorable. Like, she tried to defend herself via an article that she wrote like 12 years ago.

Yep. And her whole fallback is like, I've been a humanitarian forever. Like, I care about people, blah, blah, blah. It's like, that's like, that's not the fucking point. Like, we've already seen a controversial comment from her where she talked about somebody running a black humor page where she said, you know, a negative comment that she claims was not racist. in nature, but it seems to anybody reading it that it was. And now on top of that, you have all this shit coming out, and the fingers are being pointed in that direction, and your defense is an old article from 12 fucking years ago? That's supposed to vindicate you from all of this shit? No, and I think, I mean, I'll say this loud and proud. I think Diana is a piece of shit, and I think that she uses all of these charities and

fundraises that she does as a sort of guise for, well, I do all of this stuff. I can do the deplorable things that I probably do behind those doors and feel better about myself, or at least to have people think that I'm in a better image. And I don't know, I don't know if she's behind this specifically. You may be on to something, and if it does come out like that, then we're the Nostradamai again. We have to change the name of the podcast. The Nostradamai. We keep calling these things out, and then a couple weeks later, boom.

It comes out to be true. And it's funny because kind of moving into like the next direction. And we can talk about this with Rina addressing all of the fans. My fiancé thinks that Rina heard what we said on last week's episode where I specifically called her crybaby and said that she's using her grief as a crutch. She said, I'm not being a cry baby and I am not using my grief as a crutch. She said it almost verbatim. Did she really? I didn't see that.

And when she was addressing people, giving her shit for like the way that she acted towards Sutton, which was, again, again, bad, and nobody wanted to see it. I think she saw that, and she got a little offended, and I wouldn't put it past Lisa Rinn as we're watching. Now, I don't think that we're, you know, the biggest podcast, but we're growing, and there's some stirring going on here, and, you know, we might be popping off a little bit. I wouldn't put it past her to find someone with, like,

you know, a little bit lower down on the totem pole on the podcast chain, watch us and then take offense to it and talk about it. Look, you might be on to something, and I'll back that up with the little evidence. like Craig actually gave us a shout out on the Netschicks podcast. He didn't call us out by name, but he said there's two guys, there's two married dudes that are like trying to recap Bravo and like now they're avid watchers.

And it's really awesome. And they're, the Netshicks are like, oh my God, that's hysterical. Like who are these guys? So some Bravo people, Bravo Lebs, if you will, have taken notice. They have seen our shit a little bit. So is it out of the realm of possibility? Absolutely not. Do I think that she saw our thing?

No, I don't. But I would like to think so. I would like to think that we are the reason that she said what she said. Yeah. I don't know if we're there yet, but. I just wouldn't put a past Rina to know everything that's going on. No, I wouldn't either. Anyone who might be talking shit in every corner of the world.

I wouldn't be shocked if she had a team of people that just like scour the internet for mean things so that she can reply on Instagram. And she even came out and said like, you know, I've been meaner in the past and blah, blah, blah. And maybe so, maybe some of her actions in the past have been meaner than they are now. But the premise was different. Like her angle was different. It seems like she's just trying to be very mean, period. Like it's mean-spirited and not in a fun way versus in the past. It seemed pettier and just kind of like, oh, that's kind of funny that you would get up in arms about that.

I think that she honestly, like she's an actor first and foremost, and I think that she views Beverly Hills as her greatest performance. I think you hit it right on the head. I don't think you can say it any better than that. No. And I think it's showing through more this year. It's more obvious. And it's really not helping her. Like, she's floundering.

Ramona Singer is allegedly out at Roney. We're also getting a Roney legacy cast, which consists of a lot of heavy hitters from back in the day. And Roney itself is getting an all-new cast. We're getting like two New York Housewives shows. How do we feel about that? I don't know. Hesitant.

That's a good way to put it. I think the legacy thing could be interesting. Now, did they announce the cast for that? Yes, they did. Okay. So that could be interesting because, like, some of the women that they had on there, or at least on the list for potential, which I'll wait until you have the actual list.

Yeah, I'm pulling it up. They probably haven't been on screen for a little while, also, as we saw with Ultimate Girls Trip, the girls who haven't been on screen for a while, it takes them a little while to shake off the dust, figure it out. They're trying to create storyline, so that might be a little annoying at first.

Now, the thing with Roney, a whole new cast is dangerous, I would say. But New York is a good spot, and I've always felt like that it's a good city. It should be a good show. Yeah, it should be one of the top ones for sure. So I hope that we get a good mix. Now it's going to depend on the relationships and everything.

I guess, yeah, I'm excited about the new cast for New York because I want it to do well. The legacy thing, I'm a little hesitant towards. So here's the lineup. We got adding lead off to Rinda Medley. Second, we got Jill Zarin, hitting third. We got Tinsley Mortimer. Cleanup is Sonia Morgan. Number five, Luann, Dela Seps.

And rounding it off, we got Kelly Ben-Simon. Yeah, I'm out on that, I think. It's going to be a tough sell, I think. There's a lot of really big personalities. There's a lot of unnecessary, not fun drama that can get started. I mean, we are bringing back. That means two of our ultimate girls have been brought back. Dorenda and Jill Zaire.

I can't believe Jill got invited back. In kind of a fake way, though. Not really. It's not a real housewife franchise. It literally has real housewife in the name. Yeah, but it's like a B team. It's like, all right, we're not. You're not on the market.

You're not on the flagship New York show anymore. No, but like... Here's a secondary, like, show that we'll give you... I want to see what the time slot for this thing is. Yeah, that'll play. But at the same time, like, you've got to argue, I would love to compare numbers when these two shows air on how Roney does against Roney Legacy.

I think that in the beginning, and it may round out, but I think in the beginning, Legacy's going to get more views because they know the ladies, period. I think they're going to see how episode one goes. Then I think the new Roney's, when he might take a little bit more time to like garner traction it might i hope it does like i really hope it does i think that legacy's got two episodes to make a name for itself and then it fizzles out

if it doesn't do it i think legacies the first like the first two episodes are just going to be more of the same and the people that stopped watching rooney in the first place either they're not going to watch that or they're going to get tired of the first episode and just cut back off i'm really curious to see because i think that it also is going to paint a picture of just what the future of Real Housewives looks like. For the new Bernie cast, you mean. Yeah. I think that's going to tell you, like, once our OG casts kind of start to fizzle out,

are these shows reproducible? Can you do it again with new ladies being presented entirely organically? And I don't know if that formula can be redone. We talked about it before where things stop being genuine and generic. It starts to become scripted. And more than I understand, like, yeah, these shows are scripted to a certain extent. and yeah, they obviously play themselves up. But with the newer ones,

we're seeing some very obvious moments where it's like, I'm going to try to make an iconic line right here. I'm going to try to be remembered for this one. And I think that we run the risk of that. So between that and Girlfriends of Paris, those two are really going to paint a picture of what the future of Bravo looks like. And for our sake, like, we need Bravo to keep doing well.

So for content purposes, let's hope and pray that these two actually do well. I hope all three do. I hope legacy, I hope all the women that are on that have had the time to look back on why they were put on pause, why they were fired, and like address those. Like, I think that's one thing we'll get out of the ultimate girls trip that you don't care about is that Dorinda had to have seen a lot of the backlash that came from it and what people didn't like to see and maybe she's worked on that.

And I think that all the other housewives might have done the same thing. That's assuming that they have any level of self-awareness. Right, which is a very big ass. I can see Luann probably having. I think Luan does because... Dorinda, Jill, I just, Sonia, I just don't see it. Well, Jill doesn't need to do anything different. She just needs to do something.

Yeah. I just don't see them having any self-awareness to be like, all right, I need to change this and this. No, this is what I've been doing for years. This is going to work. Like, no, it doesn't work anymore. This audience doesn't want to see it. Perfect way to put it because they're going to have to come on screen and just be who

they are now. Stop trying to call back to when people liked you or when people thought you are popular. You have to be the person that you are now for people to connect to you in a new way because they're out on that shit from before. It's not fun. You can't live off of a one-liner from 10 fucking years ago. I think a lot weighs on these new franchises.

I'm excited and like you said, very well, I'm hesitant. Now, I will say, like I said, I'm excited for the new New York cast because they need the new blood. and I'm actually, I think I've talked myself into getting excited for girlfriends in Paris because Paris is kind of cool. It's a new concept. I think that's the first time in the history of Paris that someone has described it. Yeah, Paris is kind of cool. Kind of cool.

I'll do it this way. It's kind of cool in all the ways that Dubai is not that cool. I think I actually understand what you're saying. So it has, you know, it has history. and you're allowed to do shit there. We're going to see some public outbursts. Yeah, like Dubai, it's like, I don't know, we've got to put this on a wrap really quickly. Unless we're in somebody's private residence.

Like, we knew that Dubai was going to lose its luster after a couple episodes. And it did. I don't think that Paris is because I think much like New York, much like L.A., like it's kind of cool to see them go to these different places and they can still have the drama. So I actually think I talked myself into girlfriends of Paris and I don't really even know what it's going to be about. I don't really either. I think it's going to be about girlfriends in Paris. I don't know what that means.

Are there boyfriends? Are there other girlfriends? See, this is why I think that that show's got a better chance than the other shows because I think it's going to relate more with this generation of viewer. And that's what we're going to see Bravo start to shift towards like younger generations of viewers because they need to get new blood in here. That's what we're here for. I know.

It's perfect for us. They hired us to do this. But no, seriously. like it's bringing it to a level where people our age and younger are going to be able to relate to it because they're probably going to be on fucking Tinder, they're going to be on all that stuff, like the online dating trying to find dates and to see them out and about in the Paris dating scene and at these cool Paris cafes, you could go to a good restaurant in Paris every episode and I won't give a fuck if the episode's good or not because I'll be so entranced by the food that's coming out.

Well, unless they're stacking pounds of caviar on a baked potato. Well, that's, I'm talking specifically in Paris and French cooking. I said they do. There's no way that that happens elsewhere other than Kathy Hilton's house. But, yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic. Yeah, I like that. I'm there. Then the last thing I wanted to touch on before we go down to Charleston together, virtually.

Before we get charmed. Before we get charmed. Tommy Schwa or Tom Shua, or Tom Shoe, Schwartz of Vanderpump allegedly hooked up with Raquel at Sheener's wedding. I don't know how big of a Vanderpump guy you are. I know like I wasn't a big Southern Charm guy until this year. So do you have, what's your knowledge of Vanderpump? Are you deep in it?

Do you see like with me, I know who everybody is, but I think that you know the inner workings of the backstories and everybody's kind of relationship from here. So I'll let you, I'll ask. you this question. Do you like that? For the potential dating between the two, would you support that? Do you like that? Would you like to see that on TV and let that play out? And obviously with the associated drama that could come around with it. Do you want to see that? Or are you just kind of happy that this happened and you don't necessarily want to see that? All right. So I have a lot of thoughts because Vanderpump is my OG first love of Bravo. First and foremost, it makes complete

sense to me. These two are very likened in nature. They have similar personalities. They're kind of go with the flow. They're not going to rock the boat. Tom's a little shadier than Raquel is. Like, she's pretty upfront about most things. And

she's socially awkward a little bit, but she's really intelligent. Like, you can tell on her, like, behind the scenes and stuff, where she's not in front of the group. Like, she's a smart girl, and I really like Raquel. Tom is just, like, lovable in nature. Like, even when he does stupid shit, like, everyone forgives him because he's Tom.

And, like, he just has this, like, puppy dog thing about him or it's hard to stay pissed at him. So, them together, it's, like, two very gentle souls that, like, makes sense. From a show standpoint, like, fuck yeah, give me all of this because it's going to cause a lot of strain in the group. Like, Kate and Schwartz just got divorced. And now at Sheena's wedding, they're hooking up. you also have to bring James Kennedy into the mix and like James does not have a good temper and he is very very reactive

so is he still sober I believe so I think he's Cali sober I'm excited to see all of that fallout and like the behind the scene stuff with that only because it's going to make me feel like we're back in the early days of Vanderpump because this group used to be very incestuous

if you want to for lack of a better term You got Kristen Doty who hooked up with Jacks while he was dating Stasi and like all these people have kind of been intertwined in some way, shape, or form, and we've kind of gotten away from that because everyone's getting older and like they're settling down, they're having kids. So this might kind of like ignite some of that freshness back into it, like the reasons that we all fell in love with Vanderpump to see everyone's reactions, to see the fallout, to see how this kind of grows. And as a Vanderpump fan for life, like, yeah, I'm fucking so. stoked to see this. And honestly, if they dated, dated, like, feelings aside of the rest of the group, like, yeah, it totally makes sense to me. And I could definitely see them kind of like going the whole way. But I'm fucking so pumped to watch it. Like, well, I assume that the show will have at least some of the wedding on it, right? Oh, it has to have to. They're going to have to. Yeah, without a

I saw a clip of some dude standing knee deep in a pool with a camera. It's commitment. I like that. it is the camera crew for bravo doesn't fuck around like he was knee deep in a swimming pool just so he could get like an upward shot of sheena and her child and i think that was like either pre or post wedding like within the same two or three days so it's funny when you say that i think of like when uh discovery channel did like planet earth and it was i had my camera out for two weeks just trying to get this perfect shot or i was a scuba diver and i was down there for an hour and a half pushing the limits just trying to get this whale that would come by once You think this guy was just standing in the pool, although I'm waiting for it to walk by.

I think those National Geographic cameramen, maybe they retire to Bravo. They have these good shots, and it's just the way of life. I would love if that's true. I can't imagine it is. But that takes us into Southern Charm and for the lack of Rob Ha this week, we're just going to bang out two Southern Charm episodes. And they're going to kind of mesh into one. So if we don't, you know, firmly. say when we're in episode two.

Just, you know, you know what you're doing. You know what we're doing. All right. Don't cause a ruckus. But this, these past two weeks of Southern Charm, I thoroughly enjoyed for one very specific reason. And I want to ask you if you feel similar. So for all of our listeners, me and Shooter went to high school together and we have a big group of friends and we are all still in touch.

We all still hang out. We all still go on trips together constantly. We haven't been in a while. I actually think I've been talking to Georgie about a little point of woods trip for my birthday. So stay tuned there. But while I was watching this trip unfold, I could not help but think like, that's us. That's, there's a lot of things happening here. The thought definitely crossed my mind.

And as I said, I watched this while driving back from the shore. And, yeah, when I think it was when Craig, Austin, Shep are all talking, none of them are agreeing. And then you have somebody else chiming. I think it was Whitney was chiming. which should never chime in no god i don't know where he was but then the girls were all kind of sticking up for each other and then also like kind of like quarreling over here about the guy it's yeah i i i would say that the thought crossed my mind like this is our group of friends this makes sense dev text to me it was like have you seen this week's episode of southern charm she texted

me last week i was like no not yet i'm about to watch it in like the next day or two he's like it's us it's like it's our friends it's us and all of our friends and it's fucking hysterical And I was like, that's, you know, there's been some drama-filled trips, and, you know, I love them all to death. But let's get into it. We're going to Alderbras, right? Albrass. Albrass. Albrass.

Al-B-R-A-S-S. And it's a, I just want to say a Francis Lloyd-Weber house, but it's just... What is it? Frank Lloyd Wright. Frank Lloyd Wright House, as if anybody there gives a shit. Francis Scott Key. Are we just going to name three named people? with F in the front.

F. Scott Fitzgerald. Hey, nice. I wonder if I can do another one. Hmm. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. I was going to say Jennifer Love Hewitt, but there you go. No, I'm talking, his F names. Yeah, I was just going completely off the beaten.

Yeah. Maybe we'll make this a constant bit. But anyway, yeah. So we sort of have the aftermath of the dog wedding, which is really funny because everybody's hung over. Oh, my God. Naomi couldn't get off the couch to the door. And it's just, my fiance even said every time that they go to Patricia's house for a party, they just all get wasted. And they wake up the next day and they're super hungover.

And a dog wedding is no exception to that. So, yeah, they all wake up hungover. Naomi can't even answer the door. But to your point, or to Naomi's point, actually, Leva's ringing the doorbell and ringing the doorbell. And the door is only about like 20 feet away. And she yells just come in. She doesn't come in. do you think that's a respect thing like no it's your house I'm respecting your house or do you think

it's a southern hospitality thing it could be that honestly that kind of grinds my gears because it drives me nuts when I'm on my couch and like someone comes over and they're knocking on the door first of all because louis loses his fucking mind he's barking like crazy and then I'm like come in come in and they I would say the majority of the time people don't come in like I have to go to the door like obviously you come in but it's like an open door policy here yeah I sneak in the back door Yeah. But, yeah, I felt forward there, especially, like, if you're in the throes of a really bad hangover and you're like, you found that spot on the couch where you're like, I'm staying right here

and you have to get up just to open the door. Like, oh, brutal. No, thank you. But they start chit-chatting. And obviously, I'd heard about it before the episode. But she says one thing that I never thought I'd ever hear in my whole life. that she hooked up with Whitney. Well, not only that, it was funny because Austin was calling Leva,

and Leva put Austin on speakerphone, let him know, Naomi's right here, so obviously, you know, don't talk shit. And the whole time you hear Austin in the background, I keep forgetting that because he's not really there, he's on the phone. So Naomi tells Leva, I, you know, I hoped up with Whitney last night. Like, did he spend, he spent the night at her house, I think, right? Oh, is that what happened? I don't know.

Yeah, I think he spent the night at her house. But they, like, cuddled and shit? Yeah, and the whole time, like, you hear all this in the background just cackling, like, laughing. And then you go to his confessional, and he's talking about how he imagines Whitney saying baby, like, after everything in, like, a very weird way. And I could see it, too. Like, it's just so funny and so awkward to imagine. I love that. Whitney in that situation.

I thank you for pointing that out, because I forgot about that. That is 100%. like Austin nailed it. He fucking nailed it because with like the baby, like you know that he was saying weird shit like that and probably like stroking the hair behind her ear but not in like a cute way, but in like a creepy way.

And like I, I don't know. Like first it gave me like the heave-jeeves because he creeps me the fuck out. And then second, I was just flummoxed. I was on the floor. I don't get it.

I cannot for the, is this like her way, the ultimate fuck you to Craig? I think what it was is after Craig and they only me had that one-on-one and he said your life doesn't affect me nothing you do affects me in my life anymore oh it's a challenge she went yeah she literally it is a challenge like what can i do that would just throw him completely off i'm gonna hook up with whitney that's there's no attraction there i guess right like there cannot be said like did you think he was hot like what like tell me

about it and she didn't really answer any of the questions no venita even says like you're creme de la creme i mean she is like name was gorgeous yeah and like whitney is a scrub. The dude sucks. Yeah. He looks like he doesn't shower. If I had to hear him say elevated one more time. Oh my God.

Everything that they were doing, like, I figured we could do something a little more elevated. Like, maybe not like throw eggs. We can go play tennis. Like, fuck you, Whitney. Just because you're born into money does not mean you have class or elegance or that you're an elevated human being. I would argue that he is like the least elevated in the group. He doesn't dress well.

He doesn't take care of himself. He always looks sloppy. Like, it's not. There are some people that are like uber wealthy that can get away with like the kind of shoddy look where they're, you know, they look a little rough, but it's like almost captivating in a way because you're like, oh, like it's just like a vibe. He's not that guy. He just looks like a sloppy human being. And for him to say that I can't have an egg toss because it's not elevated. Like, why aren't we on the tennis courts?

Like then go play tennis. Go hit the ball against the wall, you douchebag. Like, leave us alone. Who's too cool for a fucking egg toss? I don't get it. Here's the thing is, it wasn't even his house. It's not like his compound or his farm or whatever the fuck he wants to call it. He was his friends.

His buddy bought it and like refurbished it and saved it from getting demolished. Yeah, it was gorgeous and awesome. And they have like staff to help you with everything. Yeah. And that's great. And like, and again, it's good for the show. Sure, like let's have everybody out there. Like, do you mind and the guy didn't care?

But to then, and I looked at Colleen and I was like, he, I can't imagine him being a host for anything. he would be the worst host possible because he's going to judge you on the things that you want to do and his plan would be just terrible and all of his comments suck and he did that and he had this air about him like I'm going to step into these conversations because I'm the host I'm the host like you have no place sir and I do feel like again we're jumping around a little bit but whatever when he is eavesdropping on Austin and Craig talking about Naomi hooking up with him he was I mean he was mad, rightfully so.

I mean, I guess I would probably get mad too. I would be mad if I heard people talking shit about me. But he said I was sitting out here.

He's like, you guys are fucking idiots. I've been out here for 15 minutes. I know. Who's got the patience? I don't.

As soon as I had two drinks, he brought out some beers for them and he decided like, let me listen to this. The editing obviously goes into effect, but it didn't look like they were talking for 15 minutes.

If I heard my name, I would wait to hear that sentence and I would kick the door out. Yeah. And be like, what did you say? I'm here right now. let's talk about you want to figure this out because he wanted he did eventually talk about it and

I mean his thoughts were he didn't give a shit like I get that Craig just said your life doesn't or you don't affect me anymore but they dated for five years like Craig even said it like yeah the bro code gets a little weird and like nuanced but we dated for like five years Charleston's small so like I know that these things are going to happen but like not with Whitney no not with Whitney and like does he feel a little scorned yeah clearly like he clearly cares a little bit and like sure i would understand it rubbing in the wrong way yeah does he handle it exceptionally well no does he like oh you think he handled it really bad yeah oh i fucking oh we're going to disagree here uh oh man um well let's dive right into i mean in between that like

all we see is them kind of like fucking around at all brass like the only thing i need to comment on there is he's got like he's putting people in the same cabin and like the same rooms together. I thought it was pretty well laid out. It was. Obviously the Naomi thing. That's what I'm talking about. But I thought that the groupings were. No, the groupings were fine. He really thought it through and I thought that was good. They made sense and like there's no issues there. The funny thing is he's sticking people together when there's like three empty bedrooms that he reserved for Naomi to choose. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're doing too much, buddy. Back off. It gets creepy. Yeah. He even did like the piece de resistance, but like he did it in the most annoying French accent.

Ah, he always does that. I'm like, ah, you suck. He does suck, but they're at dinner. Everyone's a little tuned up. You can tell everyone's a little tipsy or a lot of tipsy. And Shep begins this whole altercation with a comment that leads with, if you don't agree or if you don't like this, you can tell me to shut the fuck up, which nothing good ever comes after that sentence. So he says to Craig, like, I think that it bugs you that we know who you were eight years ago.

And I think that you prefer to be around people. don't know the old Craig. And it leads into this whole conversation about how Craig has distanced himself intentionally to better his life to pull himself away from the negativity. And then we get the reactions of the group, which I thought were insane. I thought that everything Craig said was correct. I thought that it was incredible self-awareness to kind of pull yourself away from a group that you're very close with to be like, look, you're not good for me right?

now like I need to get my shit together and you guys don't help because you constantly drag me down and chef brings up the whole like I know it's always bugged you like status in charleston and like that's always been on your mind and then Whitney chimes in out of fucking nowhere and like Whitney back the fuck up yeah well I will say if this happened and then the whole Whitney and Naomi thing didn't happen I don't I don't really think that this conversation would have taken place necessarily like maybe it would have I think tensions were high Tensions were definitely high. I think that everybody felt it.

And everybody knew within 24 hours that Whitney and Naomi had looked up. Nobody can even kind of keep a secret. Austin's like, yeah, I kept it a secret. Well, I did tell you. 24-hour policy. Well, 12-hour policy because I told Taylor and Shep. And I do think that it is kind of funny to look back at the episode and have Craig just so like nicely, like not nicely, but like so easily just like cut it. off and say Naomi doesn't affect me anymore and then to see Naomi affect him because it did happen

and he was on edge if this if this conversation had taken place and the Naomi Whitney thing didn't happen I think Craig would have been like what the fuck like why are we why are we doing this right now like no not at all but he was on edge so he was like getting back into a corner rather easily whereas if this Whitney Naomi thing didn't happen I think he would have stood his ground a little bit better and he was like looking to Austin to defend him and Austin was like no dude like the things that you're saying right now like I don't really support all but yeah do I think that like Shep should be the one calling Craig out at this point at all ever no I don't think so I don't think Shep has anything going on in his life that he's in a position to call Craig out for anything

I think he's it's probably from a place of jealousy that's the only thing that I can think of like why else would he point out to Craig like unless he's feeling a little scorned and maybe like like offended that Craig is spending so much time with page and like going up to New York and back and like not really spending a whole lot of time with the boys. But when this season started, Craig was like, fuck you, Shep, like you don't support my business. You never come over to the store. You never ask me how anything is going.

So for Craig to turn or for Shep to turn around now and tell Craig that this is how he feels makes no sense at all because it's not like he tried to support him. It's not like he tried to be a good friend. Austin, on the other hand, you know, like maybe stay out of it. But I think Austin was kind of on edge because he knows that Craig's on edge. And he also was waiting to hear how Olivia is going to react to this. Yes. So everybody's kind of on edge for their reasons.

Tensions are definitely high, which is why Vinita and Leva ended up leaving. I thought that was such a shitty move. Well, yes, I know. They were only staying for the next day and then they were leaving anyway. Yeah, but still, like, Leva, I get. She's got kids at home. Yeah, she's got kids at home. She misses her kids.

Vanita, like, just tough it out. This is part of the show. Do you want to sit there and listen to them argue? No. Especially when you were... That's actually a really good point because Vanita was missing an action from her Olivia's party. And yeah, she went to the dog wedding. But like you already just lost a little bit of screen time.

You're taking yourself out of it. Yeah, like get involved. If you want to stay on the show, get involved and stay. I agree. You can't bounce because it's uncomfortable. And that takes me back to the dinner. I want to talk more about everything that Craig said I thought was 100% true. And I feel like the table got uncomfortable, like Austin and Shep got defensive because I think they were realizing, like, when he called him out, like, yeah, you guys fucked it up.

Like, you guys are the reason. And they're like, no, it's bullshit. Like, all we do is support you. Like, and you get a little clip of the night before where it's either Olivia or Taylor, someone's talking to Shep. And they're like, you made fun of the pillows and the sewing forever. And you haven't once said, like, all you have to do, all you have to do. and we'll talk about it more in episode two is say, I'm sorry.

Yeah, Taylor was saying that. Yeah, like, that's not hard to do. Just swallow your pride, which you shouldn't have any anyway, if you are, Shepp. No, she actually, Taylor put it in the best way possible. She said, put your ego aside and don't let this affect that. Just say you're sorry because that has a very powerful meaning. And I was surprised that chef sat there and took that from Taylor

and then actually went out and apologized. to Craig later, but, I mean, Taylor is exactly correct. Like, how is this, how is your ego getting in the way of this? I've just apologizing to make him feel better. And, like, all that happened after Craig said how he was feeling and, like, you know, Craig's an emotional guy. And as an emotional guy myself, I can understand, like, he's just telling him how he's feeling.

This is what this did to me. This is why I pulled back. This is why I distanced myself because you were a fucking asshole. Yep. and then that's when the eight-year comment comes out, like they didn't know you eight years ago, and Whitney comes up, that's what Whitney did, he comes up, he goes, honestly, you're more of an asshole now.

It's like, no, he just stands up for himself now. All that's different now is that Craig knows that, like, you guys are pieces of shit and, like, fucked him up for a while. Like, Whitney says, like, we can't help ourselves to make fun of you. That's not okay. That's not a cool thing to do to constantly put somebody down, especially when they're hearing it from their significant other at the time, the same shit.

And now it's getting reinforced by your, friends? Yep. Like, on what planet do you think this guy would want to stick around and be boys with you? And then he brings it up because you're just jealous. Like, this is a jealousy thing. You're envious, whatever. And Shep falls off of his, you're jealous of Craig.

Jealous of Craig, there's a concept. It's like, motherfucker, you are because you've got nothing going on. You're a asshole, and that comes out in episode two. You're not self-aware. You can't even fucking apologize for being a dick all the time because you're pride and ego is in the way. again, the fact that you have an ego is baffling to me because you have nothing going for you. Yep.

Oh, that felt good. It is, I'm sure that it did feel good. That felt good because it came out perfect. And it's so funny because like the way that we do this and like we, you and I know how we feel about each character. And I can't help but think like when I'm watching those moments that Shep is just making a complete ass out of himself, even more so in the second episode. I'm sitting there like, oh my God, Steele's going to have a fucking field day. And rightfully so. I'm stomping around my fucking living room like this fucking guy.

Are you fucking kidding me? And I agree. How do you have the balls to say this shit? And I fully agree. Like, and let me go back to talking about Craig. I think that the way that Craig handled the Naomi Whitney thing wasn't great. No, I agree with that. The way that he handled himself during this, he was in the right, the whole fucking guy.

Oh, okay. Then yeah, we agree. The whole time. We do agree. I agree that the Naomi thing was handled poorly because he had knocked on their door later. He got rattled pretty quickly. He got knocking on the door later with the antique sword was a little. Well, he was knocking on Whitney thing.

his door, but he knew that she was in there. He had to have known. But again, Naomi went back for seconds? I know. You're fucking kidding me? No. Or thirds? Like, who knows?

I can't believe it. Is this going to be a thing that we have to deal with? Like, I just can't see the two of them together. And like, Patricia obviously will be ecstatic and will push for it to happen. But I just can't see her being attracted to a guy like with me. Patricia is going to write out a contract and be like, I will pay you millions. Get him out of his house. Millions.

No, actually, come live with us. No, no, it's definitely come with us. And I will pay for everything in your life. You marry my son. Because if it's not you, it's going to be nobody. But I will say Naomi thought, she did say, I think she said it to Benita or Leva, you know, it would be different. Like, I would have never imagined, never would have thought to even go for Shep or Austin. Like, that just wouldn't fucking happen.

No, and I understand that. And Whitney, I mean, they're not like really. I mean, Whitney's just kind of fucking there. He gets invited to everything, obviously. Like, he's in the show. But, like, him and Craig aren't really friends. And for Whitney to sit there and say, like, oh, Craig don't play the fucking victim. Like, what are you talking about?

He is a victim. He just sat down. And, like, yes, did this, was this a little untimely for the Naomi Whitney thing? Sure. But to sit down and just have Shep be like, I think this is what's going on with you. And to even turn around and be like, look, I. can see why you would think that. So I do agree that that's like a, like a thought.

I'm not going to be a complete asshole until you shut the fuck up. But you are wrong. Yeah, you are wrong. And that's not really what's going on here. If you preface it with tell me to shut the fuck up and sit there and listen when he tells you like, yeah, this is the reason why. Exactly. And like, obviously he's going to want to hang out with people that didn't know him back

then only because you guys don't seem to know the new Craig. Like you refuse to accept that he is. made these changes that he is a different guy and by all intents and purposes like he is like he has changed he has success in his business that he's worked hard on yeah he's in a loving relationship that these guys made fun of for years years he's in a successful and happy relationship the number one relationship on bravo still and obviously it's a week-to-week thing but power rankings are out again number one number one and they just can't support him and that's what he wants from austin more than Shep, honestly, because, like, I think we all kind of recognize Shep for what

Shep is. So his support doesn't really mean a whole lot, but it would still be nice to have the support from somebody who you're friends with. You know what? All it does, again, like you just said, it's not that it carries a lot of weight. It just shows you that one, Shep can make an adjustment to better your friendship. Like, he's willing to do that for you. And two, it shows that Shep, it shows himself, like, oh, this is much easier than, like, putting my foot in the and telling everyone they're fucking wrong and I'm right instead of just moving on even if you don't mean it and like this can take us directly into the next episode but like even if you don't mean the apology you can save a lot of time and headaches if you just bite the bullet and

fucking say sorry like get over yourself but we get the aftermath of that night and everyone wakes up and they're headed to breakfast and I thought that Shep's breakfast choice explained everything to me. He got, I thought he had an omelet. No, he had, the spread there was immaculate. Oh,

I'm sure. They had bacon. They had like little pastries. They had like bacon wrapped egg muffin things. Like just an incredible spread. Shepkett's scrambled eggs with just a squirt of ketchup on the top. Now, I have no issue with eggs and ketchup.

That's not my problem. My problem is this clearly pays. the picture of a spoiled brat who eats whatever, like only eats what he wants. Well, he did the same thing in the dinner of the night before. Yeah. He was like, I don't want like the mustard on it.

I don't want a little bit of this. Like, can we just make this plain for me? Right. And everybody's like rolling their eyes out. Like you cater to chef because he's been catered to his entire life. And you have a little boy breakfast for a fucking little boy. Well, two things happened. Well, that happened obviously.

I thought that was ridiculous. Because I was looking and I was salivating. I was hungry on the ride. I was starving. I was starving. And like, I'm sure other people maybe didn't notice that. But like my, that's immediately where I like went to. I was like, you got to be kidding me.

This motherfucker is having just eggs with ketchup on top. And I didn't even note, I was driving being a responsible driver. I apologize if you were on, you know, 76 or the AC Expressway, Friday morning or Friday afternoon around noon. You know, I was watching Southern Charm. Fuck off. But I didn't actually see the spread. I just, you know, kind of heard the music and then talking. And my fiancee looked over and she was like, that's, oh, man, look at that spread.

That's delicious. And I looked down and I saw exactly what we were just describing. I was starving. God damn, that's good. Chef's going to get some scrambled eggs. But at the same time, then Whitney walks in and goes, oh, are you just like over here, just getting food already? Yeah, what?

Like, what? Do we need you to fucking get this? Again, this isn't your house. No, you have no more claim. You invited us as a guest of a guest. Yes, you have no more claim to this place than any of us. You too are a guest. We know, and like, I'll give this to Shep.

Like, Shep is wealthy and from like a nice family. He's been to places like this before. And you can see it with Marcy and John. They're just like, oh, yeah, let's get the fuck out of this. Like, what did they? Austin, no, Austin's the one that said it. He was like, this is the perfect decor for Whitney. Oh, yeah.

Seventies porno. Yeah. And nail on the head. And I was like, that's it. Well, he looks like a 70s porno director. Marcy and John said, let's get like the chaos on the creek or something like that. Like, let's get the hell out of here. Like, you never saw them fall over everything.

So, like, Whitney wants people to just fawn over it and then give him all the credit. Yeah. And for him to walk in and be like, oh, you're eating already, like, what do we have to wait for you? Yeah, sorry, sir. To come in, like, you disappeared the night before with Naomi, and we all thought that was weird. We never thought that would happen a second time, but here we are. And you were missing in action last night where we were having fun at this place that you invited us to. Thank you.

What do you want us to do? Sit around and wait for you so we can eat breakfast. I'm hungry. Fuck that. Get the hell out of here. Then, I mean, Austin's in there already. He's having himself a screwdriver. everyone's starting to booze early

and Craig walks in and immediately they're back at it like how the night before went and Austin had called him like a psycho and he was crazy and like he gas lit the shit out of him yeah he did and like I love Marcy's husband

John yeah because he walked in and I think he's one of us because he walked in and goes okay and like turns around and walks out the door and I was like that's me like I'm ready to roll I had five coffees Yeah. What are we doing? Like, let's go. And like, I've resonated more with him, I think, because he's just like an innocent bystander that's looking on and being like, oh, you guys are all nuts.

Like, I'm just going to play nice and I'm going to like save face. But like as soon as we get in the car, I'm shitting on all of you. We start to dive into all the drama that unfolds throughout the day. And we've got a lot to tackle. We got shit between Austin and Olivia. We got Austin and Craig. We got Naomi. We got Naomi. Craig and Whitney and like all this stuff starts coming to light and you think that's going to be the main focus not even close because we go out for as Whitney calls let's go play some pedestrian games like fuck you but they go out for an egg toss which if you're like at this outdoorsy type place and like everyone's you know there's kind of a camp vibe to it yeah and they did like the ATVs and the horseback riding that whole thing which is fine like yes an egg

toss makes total sense. It's like a camp activity. And if you tell me right now, you're ever too old, too cool, too elevated for a fucking egg toss, we will never be friends and I probably will hate you. No, he sat on the bench, the swinging bench. And acted like he was on his phone doing something important. Like, what do you have to do? Yeah. Fucking nothing. What else do you have to answer? And then he goes, I just like, why aren't we on the tennis courts? I just, we should be doing something more elevated. I'm like, I'm not going to play. And Craig's like, come on, dude like just have an egg toss with me because Craig has no other friends at the moment unfortunately because they're all dicks but he's like have an egg toss me he's saying no no

like just like spits on the idea and it was infuriating but we see everyone you know having fun having an egg toss like you can still without a doubt feel the tension amongst the group even as they're laughing and tossing these eggs you're like oh there's still like a lot boiling here again it gets completely negated because Shep drops the egg and then Taylor tries to stomp on it. Like, up, you're out. So little, so benign, not a thing. There's probably plenty of eggs.

Yeah. Like, you have a full kitchen staff, bro. Just say my egg didn't actually break. Yeah. Go get any one. No one's going to bitch. Explain the rules. Oh, shit.

Like, let me grab another egg, but like, that's not how it works. He fucking loses it. He's like, that's not the game. You fucking idiot? Like, she didn't even notice he said it, which is even more upsetting. But Olivia, to the rescue, fucking throws a dime and, like, smokes him. Yeah, like rightfully so.

And then he throws the egg back at her. And it didn't break, so it probably stung a little bit. Yeah, I think Naomi also threw an egg at them too. I mean, everyone should have thrown an egg at him. It's like, dude, you cannot talk to your significant other that way. Absolutely not. This is the saddest part is when Taylor's talking to Naomi, she goes, honestly, I didn't even hear him call me a fucking idiot. didn't hear him say I would have called her something way worse that was the worst part like and she's just

so conditioned to them this is the saddest part she's so conditioned to him treating her that way that she didn't even hear it and like later when like she actually has a crowd around her that heard the deplorable things that he was saying to her she like breaks down and starts crying because she's like I didn't realize like this is what I just go through on a daily basis and like it sucks and people are telling her how to feel like you should. You shouldn't let that happen. Absolutely not. It is and it's hard to watch.

And it's a form of abuse. Yeah. I mean, Naomi points that out and it's like for him in that moment after the shit pops off, like even as a man child to turn around and double down and be like, you're lucky I didn't say something worse is like that's literally the worst possible thing he could have said in that moment other than fuck you, go fuck yourself. Like that it was shocking to me and he storms off. She goes and, like, starts talking to Naomi, and we get everything kind of, like, breaking down.

You start having these groups of people in different spots, trying to, like, talk about it and figure out what the fuck just happened. And of course, the host with the most, Whitney decides to get involved, and he goes in and tries to, like, smooth it over. He's like, you know how he is. Like, that's just chef. It's like, that is no longer an excuse when someone's treating somebody this way in front of your friends. Like, I would be mortified, mortified if I not, like, was involved directly in that, but just, like, saw that. Like, if someone put down their significant other in front of people like that, it's so degrading. Like, I couldn't, I felt awful for Taylor.

Yeah, it really just like, honestly, runs the whole trip, like, whatever this trip was, 24 hours, 36 hours, just completely runs it into the ground. immediately, like, Vanita and Leva looked smart. They look like geniuses at this point. I know that it's a show and, like, you want to be present on the show, but you don't want to be part of this, like, get the hell out of here. Like, I would have lost my mind, like, same as you. And you have all this going on. And then it's just like, all right, like, the issue with Naomi and Whitney kind of takes

a backseat. The issue with Olivia and Austin backseat, Austin and Craig, even though, I mean, we'll get to that and it's so fucking funny. I love that. That takes a backseat. And it's just like, look at this. Like, people are trying to talk to Shep the whole time. Like, dude, like, what are you doing?

And he's just like only answering for himself. He's like, this is how I am. Like, what did he say? She's my competitor. She's my competitor. She's my competitor. She's my competitor. And I'm going to beat her.

This is just the pusification of America going again. Like, dude. He's walking away and he goes, I won. I won. It's like, are you that much of a fucking kid that you have to like declare I won? No one cares. fucking egg toss. Whitney's too good to even play it. Yeah. Like, and then we get a fucking moment where Whitney, Whitney goes up to Shep when they're playing basketball and he's like, you should

really go talk to Taylor. And he's like so against it. He's like, I'm not wrong. I'm not apologizing. I don't apologize. That's not me. Whitney, fucking Whitney, who should never give any advice to anybody ever, especially when it comes to relationships, is telling you to go talk to your girlfriend. Now, if you are above the age of 30, and that's a grace period, like I would say even 25, if this happens with your girlfriend of an extended period of time, you should not have to have anybody, let alone motherfucking Whitney, come up to you and tell you, hey, you need to go handle this and like fix it. Even if you, everyone's saying to them, Naomi and Shep have that conversation where Shep is being awful and, like, putting it all on everybody else. Like,

this is me. If you don't like it, then, like, don't date me pretty much. Like, he's that easy to be like, then go away. I don't need you. And honestly, like, I, we talked about this last week, like, the theory could be that he's doing all of these things because he wants her to break up with him. I think that might be it. And I mean, since we started looking at it in that light, that's all I can see it as. Like, he, the things that he does and how unapologetic he is, it looks more and more like he's just trying everything to get out of it. To get her to, and not only to get out of it, like, because he can easily get out of it, just end it.

Yeah, but he wants. But he doesn't want it to end like that. He wants to be the victim. He wants to be the one that gets broken up with so that he can say, look, like, I love Taylor. And like, Taylor was, he even says it during the apology, you know, she's so great for me because of, you know, she knows who I am and she knows what I need. but she also was like trying to raise me up in the right way and it just didn't work out like she just couldn't do it anymore

so she just broke up with him and like I guess you know I guess I'm just damaged goods and that's how it is I think that's what he wants he would love to be able to explain it off that way I believe 100% agree I just did that right there and you know in the coming weeks when this happens if you hear him say that I don't he didn't even get it from me I just fucking I just said what he's going to say because it's so easy to spot it it's just so easy to spot like what he's going to say at all times because it is what it is like this is who he is and poor taylor like is so emotionally abused by him at this point with all of the shit that he's done and all the things that have happened behind her back that she doesn't even know about and i feel so bad for her but like i'm worried that at some point i'm not really going to feel bad anymore because like just you should have broken up them i agree i mean you should have broke obviously i I feel bad because, and I think I will continue to because I think she's just conditioned at this point.

Like, she falls for the apology. She falls for, like, the loving moments. And I want to get to that. I want to quickly touch on, though, my favorite scene since I think I've watched Southern Charm. And that was the bromance moment between Austin and Craig, where it's like they even, the editors even put like a little, like, sappy song behind it. It was just a melody. It was like a small, like romantic song. Yeah. And Craig's like, are we doing this again?

And Austin's like, I don't want to do this again. And Craig's like, look, man, you know I love you. And like goes on to say like, yeah, we do this. We go back and forth. And like, I just wanted you to have my back because I care about you. And like, it really hurt my feelings because like I thought we were good. And then now my best friend is going against me again. Austin comes back and is very unapologetic.

And like that bugged me a little bit. but at the same time, like, tensions are still really high. He hasn't yet had his conversation, I don't think, with Olivia, but, like, they do reach a common ground with, like, this cycle needs to end. Well, Craig said, wait, was it Craig or Austin who said, you know, I woke up and, like, you weren't there? Craig was like, I woke up and you weren't there. And I hated the idea of you going to breakfast without me.

And I was like, oh, my God. And I, like, I was cracking up, like, dying laughing. Like, I thought it was so funny. then they both said, you know, I love you. And Craig was like, can I, can we, should we just hug? Like, should we hug? And Austin was like covered in eggs. Austin wasn't quick to hug him, but I don't think the egg.

I don't think he was because of the egg. I didn't think it was either. But I think he's a little, you know, it's like in a relationship where there's some back and forth, you get to a point where it's like, this is a cycle. Yeah. This is cyclical. Like, we need to break this. And like, to Craig's credit, like, he did say, like, this cycle needs to end.

And Austin agreed. the most important thing is the boys are back together. They seem to squash it. There is definitely still some tension there, but I think it's the kind of tension that just goes away with trust in time. Not so much something needs to be addressed again. I think it's just now like, hey, let's stop fucking doing this and like the coming weeks will tell. But like, let's knock it off.

But that takes us into, we get the Olivia conversation finally. And like we've known that they've been dating. So we had to see them come together at some point. now Austin he felt some type of way about Olivia bringing a date to the dog wedding while she was just following his lead you know he said do that Sierra was in town the same night so he goes out with Sierra and they definitely hooked up like without a doubt because when she questions him she's he doesn't even address it he talks about how he felt with her bringing a date and he's like you know it made me realize like I want to be with you I want to date you period and he wanted that to be the end of the conversation he dug himself such a little yeah I know like and she says I said, well, what did you do that night? Well, here's the thing with that is he needs to be fucking smart. Like, how quickly did everybody find out that Naomi and Whitney hooked up? Do you think that everybody didn't also find out that you hooked up with Sierra that night?

That was my thing. Like, have some wherewithal. Like, you found it out, and you talked about the 12-hour policy, blah, blah, blah, blah. Gotta know, she probably knows that you did something with Sierra. You can do yourself such a favor right there and just be the one to say it. Be like, look. Because of my past experiences, and I know I need to get beyond them, but because of my past experiences, we used to go tit for tat.

I'm used to retaliation when there is a disagreement. So here, I don't know if I would do that because they already have such an issue with the Madison stuff. With the Madison stuff. Maybe you just don't bring that into it and just say, yeah, I'm not going to lie. Like, it kind of pissed me off that, you know, we went to, you know, a dog wedding, but, like, we went to an event and I was happy to see you and it, like, kind of fucked with me when you showed up with another guy.

Yeah, so I was petty. And I did say, like, you know, I want to move slow. I don't want to tell you not to date other people. Like, if you want to talk to other people, that's fine. Like, we don't want to define this yet. I mean, Craig and Page did the same thing and they had success. So if you want to come at that approach and do that. I think it was different, though, because with each other, I think that they were a little more forward.

Yeah, they were into it. They were just very clear about, like, look, when we're not together, we kind of do our own thing. Right. But the page, or page, the Olivia and Austin thing, like, and we didn't see it the first time, but like we did go back and see that he did tell her, like, go date other people. That doesn't mean bringing the date to an event that I'm going to be at. That means, you know, go have fun.

And if this works out, it works out. That's great. But if we're going to see each other, you know, maybe don't bring a date. I agree. But she was just playing a dangerous game. Yes. And that's where she... Well, Marcy was the engineer.

Right. And she was the one that was kind of putting it all into play because she's like, I'm going to show Austin like what he's missing out on. Which is exactly what happened. And it did. And it worked to perfection. Yep. Austin just had a misstep because he decided to go out with Sierra that night and hook up.

Yeah. I do think that Olivia handled it very well because, look, is that going to sting a little bit? Yeah, for sure. Like, he left there and went out with somebody else. And she gave him the opportunity. to come clean and he should have he really should have but should have also just seen the writing on the wall there i know the way that she was asking yeah he knew like all right but he kept going but he even says like why does you just say it like he wants it to be out there but he doesn't want to be

the one to say it just in case she doesn't know but like she's like how long did you think like i would go without knowing about that and he's like i i i literally stutters for 10 says i bet and she starts talking or he goes and like starts talking again and back to the beginning of this conversation, he would have gotten so many brownie points if he had just come clean instantly. But instead, he takes this other route. Now, she handles it really well because she recognizes that it was fucked up what he did. And I actually agree. I think it was not grounds for like a tumultuous fight after the fact, but I do think that like it was a dumb move on Austin's part. Like he should have known what was happening. Like he should have seen like,

okay I think this is a test I think that was kind of obvious it was definitely a test oh I mean clearly it was but I think you should recognize that now where she falls short is like she's like had you come up to me and told me how you felt like look no dude is going to walk up to you in that scenario and be like I need to talk to you and like tell you in that moment at the party like I want to be with you because that guy's still going to be there after the fact yeah it's not even to like be a dick to that guy like I don't know the guy like he's not involved in this at all this is between you and I, like, why would I bring it up then and cause a scene in front of everybody and this random dude, I don't know, just to, like, tell you how I'm feeling, like, save that

for later. Now, Austin should have done that after the fact. Like, hey, I didn't like that. I want to be with you. I understand what was going on. Like, let's do this instead of going out and bang in Sierra that night. Yeah. Like, that was where he fell short. Now, they clean it up really well because they both talk it out. They both kind of done something wrong-ish. I mean, they weren't dating, but, like, they were both testing the waters, and they both realized, like, yes, let's do this. Let's just be open, honest, and tell each other everything. And we finally see, like, now they're official. We get the Facebook official, Olivia, and Austin.

And I'm actually, I'm happy about it. I think that they fit well because Austin does do some bullshit. Olivia's not going to be afraid to call them out on that bullshit. And I think that that's probably why they're still together today. Now, do you think this is the question that I had at the end of it, was that then, like, agreeing to start dating? I think so. See, I don't know.

I think it was more... Let's see where this goes. Let's just kind of see how this goes, but in the meantime, let's not like... See other people. Yeah, let's not necessarily see other people, but like, let's be more upfront about our feelings and, like, just talk about it. Because I saw it as also, like, sort of like a friendly thing. Like, let's not play these games behind each other's backs.

Let's not, like, harbor feelings if we're feeling something inside and say, I don't really think that they're officially dating. in this moment. I mean, they are now, obviously, in, you know, current time. But in this episode, I don't think that that was, no, I might be wrong. You're wrong. I'm right. I wouldn't.

Maybe next week. Now, I mean, it is, we're not used to doing this. But, you know, maybe next week, we've got, you know, a whole week to wait and figure this out and see how it goes. Oh, we can be sleuths. Yeah. We are journalists. We'll see how this goes. We are at the end of the day, journalists.

Yeah. We are Bravo journalists. Yeah. But, I mean, overall, I think, you know, everything kind of. It kind of worked out for us. We had two episodes of Southern Charm here. It was easy to kind of put them both together because really it was the same story. It was like a mega episode.

It was a mega pint, if you will. There was one thing that happened in the first episode. I think we've seen the last of Schleb. Oh, you don't think he's coming back? I think he walked out that door and he's gone. Oh, no, he's coming back. You think so? Yeah.

He got to, he's got to come back. I don't know that for sure. They broke up. I know they broke up, but he's still like, he has to be on. some kind of contract regardless as a friend of or something where either they pay him out for the rest of the season he doesn't come back or he comes back and you've got to dive into that more with how he's feeling i would like to see single schleb no i don't really care really yeah i think i want to dive into schleb a little bit more we kind of did a little bit i just

i'm thinking about like because they probably have things filled right and then they do the audience test to see like do people care about caleb do people care about catherine caleb i'd rather single Catherine get out there like I would have loved to have seen her on this trip I missed her there honestly yeah I think she would have brought a different dynamic and probably she would have defended Craig I think she would have defended Craig yeah and I would have like to see her get amped up because Craig when he gets amped up he gets kind of where he backs off and like he's like you know what fuck this I'm out because he doesn't want that kind of negative energy is like where Catherine is going to go fucking head first and be like time out I would have

love to see somebody stand up for Craig in that moment because nobody else was, but everyone was on the same side against Craig, certainly. Like, even when they're talking about it and, like, Whitney says, like, you're just really sensitive. And Levin was like, see what he said there? Like, you're, like, he just, they didn't know you were so sensitive. It's like, well, that puts it on him again. Well, there's also, so there's no love loss between Catherine and Patricia.

So, I guess, by denomination, Whitney as well, and Naomi. Right. So I'd love to see her feelings on that. If she was up there and they were doing that, her little side comments and her stirring some shit and having that like new energy because like she even said it herself, I should have never started back up with Caleb. Like this didn't make any sense.

No, it didn't. I don't trust him. It's not going to work. So I do, I honestly do think that Caleb's done. I don't think we're going to see him again for the season. Oh, interesting take. Interesting take.

That brings us to. shooter's favorite. We got questions and we got a lot of questions because we got a lot of new followers on Instagram. So thank you all for the questions. Let's dive into it. First and foremost, Maggie with like a million Gs is the one that pointed out that Craig gave us the shout out on the net chicks. Oh, thanks Maggie. Thank you, Maggie for that. But moving on from Lunkerer. The handles are hard to say. Lungerrrr. Steel verse Instagram names round four. Lunk for will you guys be recapping Salt Lake City when it airs yes I think so yeah yeah definitely I love Salt Lake I know you're not that deep in a Salt Lake I haven't watched any Salt Lake oh man do yourself a favor Salt Lake and Potomac and Potomac's number one on my list for sure and there's been a lot of people asking for Atlanta and I promise you we were doing Atlanta next season Atlanta's yeah Atlanta season had already started when we started yeah so it didn't make a whole lot of sense no we were going to do two shows and Dubai was premiering and we were hoping for big things for Dubai so we picked that one instead that was our fault we missed the mark because

i guess Atlanta was like lit this season so i still think we should keep an eye on the uh reunion for Dubai yeah we'll we'll check into the reunion for sure but um this is a good way to like kind of preface what what to expect moving forward we're going to be big on petalmic for sure that's going to be one of our main ones um Atlanta next year and yes definitely salt lake city in some capacity because i love salt lake we'll see how shooter feels about it before we fully commit but I hope we go further into that because that's one of my faves. Ooh, from MStrain 717, I like this question. Should Paige and Craig get a spinoff?

Well, that question actually relates back to, we talked about it a couple of weeks ago when we weren't on board with Paige and Craig. There were talks of a spinoff. Right. Now, I'd have to see what that looks like. I'm not in the game for just a spinoff of the two of them in their life. That kind of sounds boring.

What if it was a show that focused on their life during the filming of both franchises? Nah. Back and forth. Really? I like them. I think they're good. And I root for their relationship. But that doesn't sound like there's enough content.

I don't know. Well, just see the dynamics play out. Like, they would literally be the conjoined. Fuck, what's the, I can't think of the word. I think it would just be redundant because we already know what happened on Summerhouse. We already know what happened on Southern Charm to just see their reaction to it. be there's not enough there i don't know i need new content i don't know i think i disagree i think that that might be captivating for me from anthony sosa underscore one do you think brandy should

come back to beverly hills no you don't you're firmly no i'm i'm done with ultimate girls trip too that that's if i i mean i have to say it every week so think of it from not an ultimate girl's standpoint i think no just a firm no i thought i i thought i i i i disagree. I think that she could add some new life just because she is unbiased. I don't think she is going to pull punches with any of the ladies to try and get in their favor. If Diana's back, 1,000% yes. If Diana comes back, then fuck yeah, bring brandy because brandy will go after her without even realizing it. Yeah, that is a good point. I think her schick of, because Sutton kind of does it too, where she does things without realizing it. But the difference is, Sutton is a way

better brandy. But here's the difference is Sutton's going to apologize and Sutton's going back down a little bit, whereas Brandy will double down, triple down, triple down. You might need that person to go up against the Fox Force five. Yeah, that's true. I just don't think that Brandy's smart enough to go against them. We need someone smart. But if you have, okay, but if you have Brandy backed up by Sutton backed up by Garcel. No, I don't think the dynamic works. I think I would in theory I like the idea of Brandy going after them unknowingly and just kind of like causing shit but I think that even though I support that I'd still get annoyed with her because I don't think I'd be able to listen to her talk all right fair enough last question here from that Liz life

going to see Teresa Dolores and Dorinda tonight in Philly what question should I ask what would you ask them so it's Teresa Derinda and who Dolores Well, on our behalf, I want you to ask Teresa Why is she so irritating I want you to ask Dolores if she'll ever get back with Frank And I want you to ask

Dorinda Why she felt the need to be The captain of the ship No, no, no, I got a better question Ask her if Andy told her That she needed to run Ultimate Girl's Trip 2 like she was the star or if that she took it upon herself to command all the women of ultimate girls trip two those are my questions for all three of them i think you ask teresa point blank

why she didn't invite dolores to her wedding and i think you ask dorinda how life on pauses because i think somebody's going to ask that that's a better question yeah that's a better question than my yeah um plus it'll sting a little bit Yeah, that's definitely going to stay here a little bit, yeah. That's all I got. You got anything else? No, I'm all tapped out. One more congratulations for our boy shooter.

He is engaged. You'll have a Mrs. Shooter soon. Thank you. Is she going to assume that name? Mrs. Magouter. Yeah. Oh, that has a nice ring to it. Mr. and Mrs. Shooter Magouter.

If you don't think I'm going to get up at your wedding and say that on the mic at some point, you're wrong. You're assuming you're invited to the wedding. That's actually a valid. point. Now, if I am invited to the wedding, I'm going to say that. But that does it for us. Make sure you follow us on Instagram at brav underscore bros. Follow us on Twitter at brav underscore bros and follow us on TikTok at brav bros. No underscore just at brav bros. Thank you guys again for a fucking great week. We are stoked to bring you the Aspen trip next week or the beginning of the Aspen trip. But until next time, we are out of here.

We'll see you next week. Rob Browser out. Bye. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. You want to tell him? Or you want me to tell him? No, no, no.

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