Bros & Shows - Angel Gets Evicted?!? (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

What's up Bros? Potomac is having a solid season despite some of the newbies underperforming. In this episode, we head to the polo grounds. Angel is called out once again for her lack of interaction with the rest of the ladies. Gizelle plans a cowboy potomac party for the kids of the group. Angel gets some confusing news that she and Bobby need to move out of their rental in just a few days. While the group speculates, we find it hard to believe that the Massie family is broke. Stacey brings Theimo to the party and it feels like we may be finally moving on from the Stacey pile on. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's a lot of shenanigans afoot in Potomac right now. A lot of shenanigants, shooter. Do you enjoy the shenanigans or do you not enjoy the shenanigans? I'm enjoying the shenanigans, but shenanigans are afoot. Let me tell you. They definitely are. And I didn't expect to go to polo grounds and yet here we are. I got to have me my pros and shows.

Brows and shows. Rosen shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by the one and only shenan gooder what's up dude huh it's just living the dream over here we are finally caught up and boy oh boy doesn't feel good well in about 50 minutes to an hour will be fully caught up true that's that's a really good point but i am so happy that we're ending

with this because this is one of my favorite shows on tv right now agreed they are in a great spot right now, even with some of the newbies underperforming. It doesn't matter because the rest of the cast is picking up the slack. I love it. I have really no real notes. You can't expect every franchise to fire on all cylinders all the time. But the fact that they've been able to give us consistent episodes, consistent drama, consistent fun, consistent good moments. It's like they're, they are finding ways to continue to entertain us every single week. Bravo, ladies of Potomac, please keep doing what you're doing because damn it, we love it. I will say Potomac does this probably better than any other franchise.

If you go through the list individually, there are quite a few housewives on this show that I just don't care about. And yet they're very central to some storylines and it's very funny. Like, I don't really care about Ashley, but when Ashley does Ashleyisms, I laugh. because of just how much I dislike it. But Angel, who's having a terrible, terrible season personally, is now involved in one of the funniest things that I've ever seen. And I can tell that the ladies are really enjoying how funny it is just because it's so out there.

Yeah, the alleged eviction from the home is very funny to watch. It's bizarre. There's a lot of question marks for sure, and we'll get into that when we get to that point. But, yeah, that's a really good way to put it, because I don't like Ashley either. but can acknowledge that she's pivotal to the show. Like you can't have Potomac without Ashley Darby,

whether you like her or not. Jazeel is having a weird year, right? She's not doing what she did last year, but she's doing her thing and it's working. So yeah, we gripe about certain things here and there, but overall it's a very good product. And I'm impressed,

especially given where we came from three years ago, or two years ago, I guess, because last year was decent. This year is a step up from last year, which is, that's what you want to see, gradual growth and progression. again bravo ladies of potomay let's get into it this week we start out with tia and her family i love tia's family and we're going to a polo event have you ever been to apollo grounds i have not i think

i've been to i don't even know what the hell to call it but there was some equestrian activities going on and that was down in florida somewhere i've been there but never to a polo grounds i don't know if i would want to go to a polo grounds it's a little yeah i went one once in Lakewood Ranch, Florida, during spring training, a bunch of us just got a bunch of beer and went to the polo game. The fixing of the divvits is a real thing. You actually do go out there and there's a lot of shit on the field, but that's legit. And it's wildly boring.

It's very boring. Like it's probably the, even the people involved with it because you think it's cool when they ride right past you because it kind of shakes the ground. That's kind of cool. Yeah. But if you're watching them from like, the other side of the field they don't move very fast they're very nonchalantly swinging these balance about and just kind of it's very so sorry if you are a polo player i am not disparaging

you and your passion it's just such a rich people thing it's like croquet you're just like yeah i was going to take it a step further and just say that is way too pasty weight for me that i yeah which is like by the way why it is incredible that they sung the black national anthem for this because that is what a fucking setting and i know actually didn't know that there was a black national anthem which was kind of funny but doing this in that setting is the best and getting all the reaction shots i was living for it i was eating it all up jazelle commenting like these people have ever seen black folks before i was like that's fucking funny yeah actually that would be funny if it weren't true because they are everyone's like staring they're turning their heads

the ladies handled themselves incredibly as they always do and And I just, that's, yeah, it's the most pasty white shit ever. And like, even when you talk to the people that are there and they do have the hats and everything, it's like, oh, yes, like Barthotomew was in Porto at four. Not fun, but it would not be Potomac if there wasn't a Stacey line thrown in there. So, of course, Jazzy arrives. And as they're on their way to the polo event, she, and I've been waiting for somebody to say this, like desperately. Like, okay, time out with the liar stuff. Like, do we have any proof that she's a lot?

liar because you guys heard i would like to see some proof before it's like yeah she wasn't going to your wedding until we said we were going but did she say that no she didn't really say that like she said she had the launch of shio on the same day yeah she said that she said that to jazzy she said it to the group but she said it to jazzy and it was also an innocuous statement of i'm trying to move a couple of things around but i don't know if i'm going to be able to make it and then yeah again we talked about this weeks ago once it's not just you going to the wedding you feel a little bit more of a sense of responsibility and a little bit more of a, okay, yeah,

I'm really going to try to move things around. But it was, I don't know where the wedding was. I know they had to fly out. I don't remember exactly where they had to go. But it was a destination. It was away from the D.C. area. You still had to go and travel somewhere. So if you have a lot going on, yeah, it helps if there's other people

that you know going to be there. Otherwise, you're just flying out. You're going to see the wedding, hang out for a little bit, and then fly back. That's not fun for anyone. So, of course, other people going is going to impact your decision. This is such a non-issue, and that's the whole thing about Stacey. They want to paint her as this liar, but they're using the stupidest shit ever to say she's lying.

When in reality, yeah, Stacey can clean up some of the lies because she doesn't need to lie about a lot of things. It seems like Timo is probably the only thing that she's really lying about. But again, you don't really have to lie about that. Just be honest, especially Wendy. But when it comes to this stuff, who cares? Stacey doesn't even care. You guys are just trying to paint her as this villain. It's so stupid.

we're acting like she's making the boldest claims ever that she's standing on this mountain of insane lies that i have a billion dollars and 16 private jets no you can't see them my boyfriend lives in canada like shit like that it's not it's just a non factor but they keep trying to force it on us like we're gonna flip sides and i think even people that aren't stacey fans like are you are you liking the third degree like are you enjoying Every episode, we're trying to dig at Stacey again with this shit. If you have new evidence, by all means, bring it up, but you don't. It's just the same shit over and over. You have no new evidence. And I don't really care for the fact, again, that the whole cast is going on this trip. And it's not really a trip, but going to this event, just invite Stacey. I know that she just kicked you out of the party.

I think that's such a long way if you could just turn around and be like, look, everybody else is coming. You can come. If you want to talk about what happens, we can talk about what happened. If you don't, we don't have to talk. Fine. That would be fine. I don't really see an issue with that. I just hate when one person gets left out. If you leave a couple of people left. Well, Keanu wasn't there either. I thought, no, Kay was she? I didn't see her. Oh, you didn't see her. Okay. She got a polka dot dress on. I stand corrected. Kearno was there. I think I agree 100%. Like, we're on the same page. I think given the recent boot from the Shio event, like, I can give this a pass. I agree with you. I think it says, a lot more, and I'm sure, you know, you give Tia a couple of years, she may handle it differently

because her first season. But yeah, I would because then you also have a leg up on her because you extend the olive brand. So now you're in a position of power, which is a good place to be, especially in Potomac, because you are going to get whacked a little bit here and there. But anyway. Yeah. Now, I do understand where Tia is coming from. She's the only person in this group that I can tell actually had an issue with Stacey.

She had an issue where she was thrown into the middle of the. Timo stuff with Wendy, with Eddie, had to hear about all of that. And she was just stuck in the middle of it. Like, yes, of course, she's going to go to Wendy and say, well, I don't really know there are some inconsistencies about when he's going out, what's going on. That's something that Stacey needs to address. And Tia was in the middle of it. Then it resulted in them getting into a fight. That's the only person on this cast that I can actually look at and say, okay, yeah, you've got an axe to grind. You've got a grape with her. Go ahead. Clear the air, figure things out. You want to just stay away from her for a little bit. I'm okay with that. You have a couple of

comments to make about her behavior cool she had bad behavior towards you the other night go right ahead everyone else can just fuck off i agree and like i hate the fact that ashley gets jazzy one-on-one and just can dig her teeth like you're not going to believe it that scene could have gone so much worse though it really could have the fact that it actually ended with uh like i'll pray for you like i hope i hope you don't find out that she's a liar i was like oh okay that's better than i thought we were going to get yeah but it's just frustrating stacey's not there to defend herself All these people are throwing these allegations out. Again, if it's Tia, makes sense.

If it's Ashley, doesn't. Giselle doesn't. But they have free reign to say what they want because Stacey's not there to defend. So that's annoying. But at lunch, you know, again, Angel, not feeling included, as she likes to say a lot. Wendy makes a great point. And Dr. Wendy tends to make good points. And she says, it would have been a good chance to spend more time with us.

No, at a polo event. There's no drama going on, and you've been sitting in your chair under that little-ass umbrella the entire time. And Angel, she takes an issue with that. It's like, oh, here we go. I'm not going to beg with my hat in my hand. It's like, no, but you're new to the group. They've made this a point that this is not working, that you're not doing enough to get to know them. They've told this to you, right?

If initially that they're, go ahead. No, no, I do understand. And it's just that enough time has passed where we've talked about this so much and she could have made every opportunity under the sun to figure something out to at least talk to one person, two people and then you're going to feel a little bit more comfortable. But she's not making that effort. So I don't really feel bad. Initially, yes, it was a little early.

You and I identified it right away. They're just going to throw some jabs out there. They just want to see how you handle certain things. The catfish thing, little out of line, but they want to see how you handle it when you go on your first cast trip you haven't been how do you respond what are you going to do when your feet are held to the fire because everybody wants to know that and i actually think that that's a sign of respect on a show like this they could ignore you and if they were ignoring you yeah you've got some issue over here but again you're playing it all wrong by not just talking to wendy not going over and talking to tia

he is also a newbie she doesn't know anybody you can create an alliance there's so many different valleys that she can like i don't i just don't understand what she's doing and then she just comes back with the same thing and it just keeps bringing me back to the fact she's sleeping on it every single time and it's getting worse and she hasn't moved on from the first issue. So again, you're not doing yourself any favors

and when you keep talking about it, we've now gotten to the point where everybody's just rolling their eyes at you when you open your mouth. And that's your own doing. We were well past the point where you can hold other people accountable for their things. Yep.

And it's going to get a lot worse because now you have a lot to answer for because 18 hours later, doom, they're packing up the house. And obviously everyone's seen this already. They've been running this trailer for like two weeks now of Angel packing up the home

and the eviction clip from Wendy later. But they're going back to Colorado. Now, there's two ways that this is going down, right? One, short-term lease. We're going to look for a home. We didn't think we'd be here that long. do I think Bobby Massey is broke? No, I don't. I think he has plenty of money. So to me, this sounds like either it was an oversight by somebody. They got the dates wrong,

which is a wild thing to assume, but maybe I don't really know what happened. Maybe they ran out of time. Maybe that's why it's so confusing because it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't know when you're supposed to be out of your house. That doesn't make sense to me. And had you not later on been like, you know, I really don't know what happened. Now I'm going. back to be like, okay, wait, timeout. What do you mean? You don't know what happened. Like, it could just be as simple as what Giselle was saying, which is you don't know

when they're going to stop filming and you thought you had more than enough time. And you didn't. And you got double booked. And now you're out and you have to go back to Colorado and figure it out. But the more that we talk about it and the more that we ask Angel these questions and then everybody else is talking about it, we don't really know what the hell is going on. I have zero idea. And I keep going back to a couple episodes ago where she was touting the first.

facts that she lived by the river. I've got a house by the river. Where the fuck do you live in the Potomac area? Oh, not by the river? Well, don't come to me. Now, everything that Wendy's saying later in the episode, everything that all the other women are saying later in the episode makes a lot of sense. This is all fake.

It's all bullshit. Why would you do that? And look, it's not unknown to the housewives world that someone might be renting a house in the area so that they can film. It's easier to film. Maybe it's not your main house. That's okay. Talk to Meredith in Salt Lake.

Correct. You have ties to the area. It's not really that big of a question. You're looking for a house. It's not that big of a question. You want to live there permanently. We understand all of that. If you just came right out and said,

look, we thought that we'd find a house by now. We didn't. I fucked up on the dates. Bobby fucked up on the dates. I don't care where you throw the blame around. And now we have to figure this out. Why are you not just renting another house like right next door? If you have all this money and you don't want people to ask about your money,

why wouldn't you just be renting a house down the street? There's no shortage of rentals in the area that you could be going to and set it up so that you're there for another three, four months so you can find a house. The idea that you're going all the way back to Colorado makes zero sense of it. Why? Because your furniture's there? That doesn't mean.

Where are you moving your furniture to? You don't have a house to move it into. That doesn't track. Man, this stuff doesn't make sense. And that's what you're doing. as the more questions we have. And that's really the theme of the entire episode. That's the theme of angel.

Just have a three-minute period where you stand up in front of everybody and explain. Because I don't think the explanation is that hard to figure out. And again, we're not sitting here wondering if you're broke. I doubt that Bobby Massey is broke. He just got out of the league like three years ago maybe. It's not that big of a deal. Explain it in the best way that you can. If the women still have questions, you can get mad of them.

How dare they be shady? Of course, we're not broke. Why would we be doing all of this? But there's so many, and we use this for Stacey, there's so many inconsistencies and there's so many things that you're not addressing. Of course they're going to keep talking about it. Have you not figured out that this is how this group works? No, she hasn't figured out how the group functions yet.

That's why she constantly finds herself out on an island. And in this regard, this is the easiest thing to explain a way. But it doesn't make sense. Like you said, it doesn't make sense that you're not. either renting storage units to put your clothes in like well none of those furniture is ours so what you're going to fly all of your clothes and all of your belongings back to colorado to bring them back here that's illogical that makes no sense especially if you do have all this money pay a moving company say stick this in your fucking warehouse till we get back by this doesn't track for the level

of wealth that you're claiming to have again i think we looked it up bobby massey accrued like 50 to 60 million in the league was it more like no he made a shitload of of money probably after taxes all that he's probably sitting on anywhere from like 20 plus mill investments whatever and i believe bobby when he says we want to get a seven million dollar house 100 i don't have any questions i have zero questions about that i have questions about the fact that you have kids and you're just going to go back to colorado but you're going to come back here anyway that doesn't make any sense i mean just nothing is tracking and the worst part of all and this might just be something that i'm holding on to you invite the women over while

you're packing, hire some packers if you don't really have that much shit. Hire a couple of people. That's what I was saying. Where's the moving company? Yeah. Like do something that shows that you have wealth because that's what we want to see. I don't want to watch you putting tape on boxes so that you can bring your clothes back to Colorado.

That doesn't make any sense to me. It does not track. We don't get it. But Tia leaves. Giselle calls Tia, she has a very kind heart. She's trying to just take this. I like, yeah, okay. Makes total sense to me, Angel.

you'll figure it out anyway i'm going to get out of here and jazelle calls her to invite her to her potomac party uh cowboy potomac party on july fourth and she lets slip what's going on she's like so i guess angel's moving out because her lease is up joselle fourth wall break instantly oh so she moved here for the show got it yep thousand percent this is what happens angel when you leave the door open especially if you're going up against the likes of josell Because for better or worse, and we've seen both sides with her, she's going to latch on to something. And she will not let this go until you answer. You're going to have to answer with something sufficient for Giselle to move on because she won't.

And if she, like one of two things will happen, she'll be able to move on or she'll be like, okay, that's who you are, Angel. And you are going to hear this shit for the rest of your time on the show until you can't put up with it anymore and you leave the show. so that's the position she's put herself in now and jazelle's got all the ammo okay now you're going to add wendy into the mix later with her rumor bang you're up against an even bigger hill than you were before with all of your weird no one's talking to me shit so now you're in like the biggest hole ever because you simply can't explain why you're getting kicked out of your house right now and it could it could be what you're saying but then you fucking trail off and go i don't really know

what do you mean you don't know you're displacing your family you should know why. Yeah, and the questions later, which, you know, obviously it's going to hit a little close to home, questioning your motherhood by saying, as a mom, that doesn't make any sense to me. How do you not know where your kids are going to live? Yes, it's a little brutal. Yes, it's a little crazy. But at the same time, you're putting yourself in this position by not just simply saying,

I fucked up. And I do think, again, blame Bobby. Blame Bobby. He doesn't give a shit. He's actually getting more pissed off because you're not answering. I got that vibe from him during that whole scene in the house walking around he's sitting outside with the kids he's exhausted he doesn't want to do this anymore

and look we've seen our fair share of husbands that simply don't understand housewives they don't want to deal with it there's a lot of drama that comes with it entirely fine I don't think it's you don't have to accredit that to them being a bad person which happens later which makes no sense but at the same time he doesn't want to deal with this anymore

and I got the vibe that he looked at her and said why are you not answering this like why are you not just addressing what this is you're making us look bad i'm leaving i'm just going to make me look broke yeah like at the end of the day you're making us look broke you're making people question our wealth and i don't want to do that i worked really hard in the NFL i got a lot of issues i risk cTE to pay for this fucking house it hurts when i get out of bed every morning and now you can't even tell people that we're not broke i don't want to deal with that i'm going to sit outside you pack the shit oh boy well let's get

it to Wendy and Eddie and they're at Cameron's gymnastics, karate, some workout. I don't really know what this was. I think it was gymnastics and karate together because they did say that their son did karate a few years prior. Jim Cata? Jim Cata. Yeah. Wait a minute.

Have you ever seen Jim Cata? No. Oh my God. It's a Ninja Warrior shit. No, it is a all-timer. How did this get made episode? is jim kata and it's this ridiculous movie and it's like gymnastics karate it's fucking nuts but if you if you find yourself forward one day that's a good one to

dive into it's just the jean claude van dan movie he might actually be in it but if he's not i can't remember but if he's not it's yes it's like a very jvd uh jvd vibe jim kada 1985, like, yeah, if you look at the cover, it looks like... Kurt Thomas. Yeah, Kurt Thomas, but it looks like a JVD movie, J-C-B-D, excuse me. Yeah, so that's Jim Cata. It's a highly recommend, horrible movie, but in the best way possible. Anyway, back to Wendy and Eddie, and I got to, I got to say, or I got to think that production's being a little dirty here because there's,

talking about the renovations and she's like no we didn't stay on budget no not at all honestly i haven't even added things up yeah because that tells me that when you did add it up you went fuck we need some more money and uh where we're going to get that oh i don't think that i think i think that you could do that in court people could do that i don't think they did anything wrong and i still every time that we do this i still laugh when we get comments like insurance fraud hurts us to no doesn't subsidies from major corporations hurt us. Wendy and Eddie insurance fraud on their luggage does not raise my taxes. I'm okay. So fuck the insurance companies. Yeah, it simply doesn't. But I mean, I don't blame production for doing this. Those are the answers that a lot of people

want. They want all of those little hints and tricks along the way to show this is what they're going through. Maybe this has something to do with it. Maybe it doesn't. You guys decide. We're going to show you everything. I think a lot of this stuff when it comes to Wendy, when it comes to finances, probably would have just been either cut or obviously looked over because we don't really care and we never really questioned their money before. Now it's just very polarizing. Now it's just very in your face. Oh, yeah.

Okay. That makes a lot more. Don't say that. I bet you want to take that back so bad right now, but it's okay. It's going to be fine. You're going to watch this clip in court probably. That sucks. No, they didn't do anything.

They're going to beat it. I have all the faith in the world. But she goes back into the dad's stuff that she's dealing with. As we know, she hasn't seen her dad in 20-something years. Last time they talked was a while ago on the phone. And it was when her entire family went to Nigeria for like a month. Her dad was sick for a month.

They must have long COVID or something. So he couldn't make it. And she's trying to navigate, you know, what does she do next? Do I call them? Do I not call him? At this point in her life, she just wants to do something so that you can move on from this whole thing, one way or another, good or bad. then Eddie's reuniting with his family and her being able to bridge that gap

because Eddie's family didn't like Wendy is giving her some hope that maybe there's a way forward with dad, maybe there's not. But at the end of the day, time that I made that phone call. So I think we got scenes for next week and she does call them at some point in the near future. So she will. Yeah. I do think that Eddie gives very sound advice, obviously coming on the heels of him reuniting with his family.

He just tells her very plain and simple. I have siblings. We talk every month. We're not the best of friends. We don't talk all the time. We just get together and just do a little check it. That's really all we do. There's nothing really more to it. We don't have this big like coming together moment where we're all just going to be in each other's lives. So I do think that with Wendy, she's putting all this added pressure on her because it's like once my dad is back in my life. Correct. Once my dad's back in my life, then what happens? Is he going to be here for holidays? Is he going to come to America all the time? I don't know if I'm ready for that. And I do think that what Eddie's doing is just setting those expectations a little lower, try to take some of the pressure off of it, and you'll be okay.

And I do think that she needs to talk to her other family members. Maybe, you know, we did already have that sit down with, I think it was her mom and her sister when they were talking about the whole thing. You just got to have to bite the bullet at some point. And at least it's going to make you feel better because if you have that conversation and it doesn't go well, you tried. It's okay. Nothing is really going to change. No, it's not. And you have a wonderful support system.

We love your family. We love Eddie. we love you. Please don't be guilty. Please. Come on. Please. Please don't. You need to be on this show. Let's keep dragging to Stacey and Kiarna. And they meet up for a lunch to try to clear the air. Stacey took a little shy oak gummy before she arrived. I don't know if that's true or if that's just a little plug right there for a company. I don't hate it either way. Now, my issue with Kiana's been consistent. It's making a mountain out of a molehill. right it's these these visceral reactions to mediocre jabs yep that you thought the barata was a jab or no no that was that's my point bizarre fucking insane hey do you want some barata no i don't like her reaction is like i don't eat cheese i the fuck would she know that what what are you doing look her reaction to that i thought was fine i don't need cheese okay cool that she said it with the with a little

She did have a little umph to it But at the same time It doesn't mean that Stacy's not also gonna order barata Thank you She just said Hey are we gonna get barata for the table No you don't want any because you don't like cheese I didn't know that about you

Isn't that crazy that we've known each other this long And I didn't know that you didn't have Or you couldn't eat cheese Okay by the way I'm getting a barata You would have thought I could eat cheese You would have thought that Stacey just ignored all of that Didn't give a shit

Was questioning her allergy to cheese in the first place. No, she's ordering her own thing. She asked if you wanted her for the table. It looked really good. She wanted a barata. I don't blame her. Barada always looks good to me. So go ahead. I agree. I was flummoxed. I was like, how the fuck are you going

to get that upset about her getting her own barata to the point that you're then going to make passive aggressive comments to the waitress and be like, I'm going to say this one more time. I don't eat cheese. So everybody can hear me. We got it. But other people aren't allergic to cheese.

So fucking let them eat cheese. You cut that barata open. It's just going to be the spores are going to enter the air. That's the problem. Like, I don't know. I will say, I think barata is the most overrated cheese on the planet.

I think it's purely aesthetic. I think people love the cut and the ooze. It's not, it's fine. It's good. It's not any, I people take all the videos and stuff like, oh,

barata. Sometimes I will say if I see and I don't know what I want and I'm looking around the room and I see somebody cut it open and I'm really hungry, I will go go get that. It does look good at all times, but I agree with you. I agree with you. It's not this huge, like, top of the tiers. I will say, if you make like a blush red sauce or even a regular red sauce with like

spaghetti or a bouqueton or something and you rip off barata and put it in there as you're finished getting the sauce, highly recommend that. Yeah, because it's pretty good. Oh, yeah. I'm hungry. Oh, yeah. Anyway, yeah, so she's still pissed about. up Barada, but we start talking about the journey of Kiana and Stacey, which started back

in Lake Norman. We all remember that. And then it kind of deteriorated from there. And if we go through the timeline, that's where it gets a little tougher for Kiana to stand on business because she's trying to say that Stacey's the route, right? You did this. Well, if we go back in time, there's that clip of the Bloomball. And you walked up to Stacey and put your hand in her face.

and waved at her like this. Yes, she was ignoring you, but then you made that to her. Understand that your last interaction with her was at Giselle's. And you were very mean to Stacey. It was the first scene of the season. You were the one who actually said the worst things to Stacey,

when in reality we didn't think that you guys were in a bad place. So even then when we're going back in time and looking at this, it still doesn't really make a ton of sense. It's not like you guys had this. huge falling out at the reunion and then we start back up and you're first in line to get your licks in because all of a sudden all this information comes out about TJ and the uncertainty about whether she paid them or not and you want to really just get after her. That would have made sense to me. There was no falling out. So I agree with Stacy. Go in chronological order.

What are we doing here? You're throwing things out there saying that I did all these things to you leaving out the things that you did to me. I was doing them retaliatory. I was going back after you because you did something to me and you're leaving them out very carelessly. So let's just try to work through this. I thought that this entire conversation was going to devolve into madness and we were going to get a moment towards the end where both of them are like, not right now. Let's just agree to disagree. I'll see you later.

I'm done. We'll pick up the check and we'll just mosey on out of here. I'm happy it didn't end that way, but I do think that what Stacey did was have a good productive conversation. This doesn't go any other way And I think it shows Kiarna can be pushed around In certain situations

She can be shown the light maybe If you want to look positively I think it's more that she doesn't have her backup There's no one else they're ragging on Stacey She's solo It's not like Ashley and Kiarna sat down with Stacy To clear the air We've seen that happen before

It never works Because you guys just feed off of each other And add more things in there That don't make sense It shouldn't be there in the first place But when it's just Kiarna one-on-one she can be a little pliable. You can, like, move her around and at least get her to see something that might be

truthful and might have something where you guys can move forward. And I'm happy to actually evolve in that way. Me too. And she's able to speak on the Chris Samuel stuff a little bit because she brings up the fact that you asked me if Chris and I dated. I said no. And then he went to the group and said that they were dating. Well, I don't know, Stacey.

I've heard some things. and I saw a picture. You see a picture of Stacey sitting next to Chris. Stacey has admitted that she's hung out with Chris in a public setting. Chris is sitting at the table with Stacey quite clearly talking to somebody else at the table. That's not a date. Is it could they have been feeling out the rest of the table? Correct.

And could they have been feeling things out? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, they flirt. Maybe they smooched or so. I don't know. But again, as Monique said, that fucker was out of my life two years ago. I don't care. So why do you?

care, Kiarna, because you're trying to say she's lying, which she's not. They didn't date. Maybe they went on a date. But cookies said, you're, cookies have known liar. Everyone knows cookies a liar. Go ask anybody in Potomac. Oh, cookie? You don't believe anything that cookie says.

Hell no. But it's, yeah, it's just madness to me. It should have just died right then and there. And look, I know Kiarna walked away from the table, so she maybe didn't hear what Monique had to say. As soon as Monique says, I don't care. we move on we just simply move on and if you're going to be like ashley you're going to find other things to nitpick and try to pin to her because you don't have the backup anymore and you

were really hoping that monique would take offense to it she didn't so you got to find a new slant kiana doesn't have a new slant and that's the only problem oh i've got a new ashpiphany oh okay so remember when i was like stoked that she got all that money because i was like ooh now she's just going to be like super wealthy and stop the bullshit and just buy things and be fun. What I didn't take into account is by having that wealth, she no longer has to work, really, to maintain her lifestyle. So she's going to be more Ashley than ever because she doesn't have things distracting her.

That's a really good point. So that's what we're seeing. That's why this year more so than what we've seen recently, especially last year, you're definitely seeing her do more of the shit that's annoying that we didn't get last season. So I think that's why she has too much time on her hands now. She hasn't had a storyline. She hasn't had a storyline since like season five. Michael Darby.

Yeah. So I don't know. Michael Darby and custody of her children have been her only storylines, really. G&A was an attempt at one, but fizzled out after like an episode or two. Never going to be anything. Yeah. So, yeah. And like, but that's, here's the thing with Ashley.

That's okay. she's not a storyline housewife. That's fine. She's doing her best when she's involved in other people's shit. When that shit is real, right? If there's legit things going on and she jumps into it, she tends to hold her own. Whether it's messy or not, she's entertaining.

When it's a problem is when it's a non-factor, it's a non-issue that should be dead. She is that asshole with the paddles, just trying to zap it back to life episode after episode. So that, I figured that out while watching this one. But anyway, we get to G, Wendy, and Ashley, and they're going out for drinks. I write G because I don't like writing out full names because it takes longer. And they're catching up, talking about the cowboy party and things like that.

I was actually very happy with this scene because Stacey comes up about the potato salad. There's a couple of small jabs in there jokes about raisins and grapes, and we don't talk about her anymore. That was great. I was like awesome because I'm like fuck here we go but that's like a normal thing to do you know what I mean like for any castmate who's not there if they say they're bringing a potato salad you're going to make a couple of raisins jokes it doesn't matter who it is and that seems like we're getting somewhere to a normal place with her especially with chiselle and Ashley being in this scene we just anticipate that they're going to have something else to say oh yeah she's bringing potato salad I bet you she comes with something else that's not potato salad because she's a known liar and it's like okay what do you bring you bring in what are you bringing giselle she's probably going to bring that to be like you no we didn't get that so i agree that's that is positive we are moving forward potentially where i like because here's what we need i don't care if a lot of the ladies don't vibe with stacey if they can't get on board with her quirkiness i don't really care i need her to be in be able

to be in the room and not have all eyes turn to her and everyone start going after a stacy issue we need to have her be able to comment on other things happening. What does Stacey think about the angel situation? I don't know because we don't get to talk to her about it. You know, and I could be very, she never gets brought into the group discussions because they don't want to deal with her. And that's the problem.

It is, especially when she is the best housewife on this show right now, whether you like her or not or like it or not. She is the best housewife in Petalmic at this current moment. So get her involved more, please. But they start to talk about Angel and her house in that situation. Giselle immediately jumps to, well, you've been evicted.

And if you want to look at it objectively, I mean, technically speaking, sure. And I think that's the route that Giselle's going is just trying to be shady and be like, well, sounds like an eviction to me. Wendy's got a little more dirt. So apparently, allegedly, a realtor friend of hers came up to her and said, oh, this woman came up to me and said, I am looking for a short-term lease. I wanted to look like a $50,000 house, but I've only got two or three grand, or I'm only going to spend two or three grand. That's an important distinction.

I don't think they're broke. Now, I don't know if this happened. Wendy is a lot of things. A liar, she is not. She tends to be truthful with things, and I tend to believe what she's saying. So I do believe this, but then it gets confusing for a couple of reasons.

One, there is not a rental on earth that would look like a $50,000 a month house that you would spend two or three grand on. That doesn't exist. That's in the same territory as Mia spending $60 grand to renovate her rental. Okay. So that already, I'm like, okay. But the other part, you guys do, you have money. So what's happening? Why are you putting yourself in these precarious positions to have people,

question your wealth in every, every turn. Like, everything's coming up that you guys are broke. And we don't think you're broke. So just do something. And I hope that's what, by the way, she could gain a lot of traction, a lot of traction. If we go to Colorado and it's a fuck you money trip, watch this. You guys think I'm broke, boom. She'll move up a lot.

Yeah, she's going to have to do that. She's going to have to save face at the reunion if she wants a second year. Because right now where she's heading is one and done very easily. the problem here is one actually i'm going to preface it by saying angel puts herself in this position by not answering any questions now you're opening yourself up to all of these rumors gossip whatever two wendy made that the fuck up right then in there because either you're telling me that joselle and her had sat down prior to this maybe the cameras weren't there discussed it and it was like an oh shit moment here's the light bulb nobody works that way it's not like oh my god i just put the pieces

together. It's just information that makes sense and attracts, oh, wait, you're telling me that she's been talking about how great her house is that she's renting and it's on the river. Yeah, let's just say that she wanted a $50,000 house, but she wanted it for $2,000 to $3,000. And I heard this from a realtor friend. It's just weird gossipy information that popped up way too quickly. The timing is very suspicious for me. But I'm okay with that because, again, Angel put herself in this position by not answering any of the questions. You don't open yourself up to this if you immediately say, I fucked up. I thought I was only going to be here for a couple of months. I thought we were going to find a house. We didn't find a house. I thought we were going to be

done filming. That's okay. Again, we've seen this before. It's not the biggest deal. And if you answer that truthfully, which is a big thing in this group, you'll be fine. And then if people have questions about it, you can continue to address it and then knock it down, whatever. But Wendy doing this is funny. It's incredibly funny because now everybody's just having a good laugh at your expense. Again, you did this to yourself. Yeah, and that's what's going to happen. And I agree with you now that you've said it that way probably a rumor probably made up but you open yourself up to these little jabs and attacks because of your lack of response and you don't even have to do it in a scene with bobby yeah tell him what's going on do it in the scene where

how real how real of a scene would that be if bobby and angel sat down and said oh fuck we got to get out of here like what i cried i called the realtor they got double booked. What are we supposed to do here? Like, they need us out. Do we try to find another place down the street? Do we try to find somewhere maybe, you know, a district over, whatever we have to do? That would make sense. Because if we saw all of that, it would have been funny still. We still would have had a couple of jokes. Giselle would have cracked a couple of jokes. There would have been a couple of questions. But at least then the audience gets to see, this was an oh, shit moment. What do we do? And you guys are scrambling. But instead,

you've done all of these things so far. And now this happens. And you're not addressing. it. What do you want everybody to do? Of course they're going to ask questions. Of course they're going to have shade. And how easy is this in that scene? Shit, we got to be out of here in like three days. What are we going to do? You know what? We've been looking for a house for six months.

Striking out. Let's go home. Let's regroup. Take a deep breath in Colorado. Catch our breath. Come back here and we'll find a house. Boom. Done. Are there questions? Yep. There's always going to be. But that's an explanation. Saying nothing, that causes idiots like us to sit here and speculate on what's going on. And you don't want idiots like us speculating on your life. You guys are way better off than we are.

So just answer the questions. And then we're not here doing this, right? And they're not doing it in Potomac. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe I'm nuts. But let's get to the cowboy party. And what a party.

This, where are, what is this? Why are we renting out? I'm with Angel, actually. Why are we renting out half a facility to throw a party with a potluck? Yeah. Is everybody broke? Yeah, I think everybody's broke. I think everybody's actually involved in some sort of insurance scam.

I haven't heard about it yet. Because I don't know what the hell this is. All this really told me is now I'm thinking about all of those Giselle parties. And they show one of them for a reasonably shady party that she had a few seasons ago that looked like an absolute mess. She doesn't know how to throw away. party. She just finds something. Oh, that's a good point. But she also gets so butt hurt when other people are like, wait a minute, I'm throwing this party with you and you did this. We didn't talk about that. Of course we didn't talk about it because you're terrible

at throwing parties. You have no idea what you're doing. So her and Wendy coming together to throw this party, her getting mad that Wendy's making phone calls, which we saw on the scene prior, like, wait, you're making phone calls? What am I supposed to do? Nothing. You've done enough. You booked the space. I'm now trying to put lipstick on a pig to try to make this look elegant. and it's just simply not. But yeah, it struck me as one of those sort of like the offshoot of a trampoline park or something like that.

I know what it is. No, it's an indoor soccer. You're just wondering why they're there. Facility. Yeah, you know how many times I've either worked out or trained or played a sport in one of these places? You have to. Yeah, I know exactly what it is.

But it's like, that was a good jab by Angel later on or she's like, you can't even rent out a whole fucking place. And I get pans over to the two kids kicking the ball around. It's like, yeah, valid point. Good point. Say that in front of them, maybe. I don't think I would play it right now. You know what the thing is now?

So today or yesterday, Beyoncé apparently came out and said that the Cowboy Carter era is over. And now everybody said, Ashley, they said it's Chazelle's fault because Chazelle wanted to throw this party. And the party was so underwhelming that she just decided to move on with her life. No more cowboy carter. Fuck that. I blame Ashley for showing up as Beyonce. Yeah. Actually, actually, you know what? Just blame it on G&A.

G&A ended the Cowboy Carter era. Once again. You monsters. She was number one on the fucking charts. Look what you did. You took it away from us. But big, big credit to Stacey for showing up with Timo. This is a good move, especially unannounced,

catch everybody off guard. They're not expecting it. I mean, we know that this, it ends and dies with him. He decides on when he's going to show up to these events. If you guys are really giving your marriage a shot, which I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, you're going to have to do this. There's too many questions about you.

Now we're just in the thick of it because of Wendy and Eddie, because of Tia. So come to this. It's a kid's birthday party. It's not going to pop off that bad. Just say face, just shake a few hands, kiss a few babies, and move on with your life. You'll be okay. Now, if we get shade from the other women, what are you supposed to do? What am I supposed to do?

We're dating. We're trying to fix our marriage. What do you want us to do? We're not supposed to hang out at the kid's birthday party and this jimberie? I don't know. Yeah, I did take a shio gummy before I came because kids' birthday parties suck. But I thought it was a great move. And I think that this is another step towards just kind of mellowing everything out,

getting back to neutral, allowing her to just integrate back into the group without bullshit every single time. His showing up, literally just physically being there is going to put to bed a lot of this shit, which is good. but I always go back and I will continue to go back every single time to Wendy and Eddie in regards to this. Wendy is one of the people that was quote unquote

slighted by her because of the dinner thing with Tia and her saying to Tia, I thought it'd be easier to ease you into it. I have an issue with Wendy and Eddie because Timo and Eddie, but whatever. Whatever that claim was, I don't think it's true anyway. But Wendy, who

has a reason to be irritated with her, walks right up to Timo. He's like, Nice to see you, nice to meet you, blah, blah, blah. Eddie's very kind. She's very nice to Stacey. They're getting along just fine. So you guys keep trying to start shit with Stacey on behalf of Wendy. On behalf of Monique, they're cool.

Just be fucking cool. Don't be all uncool. Leave it alone. Please, because it has run its course. And this was a good step. Like I'm not saying that this episode was that. This episode was a step in the right direction. We had some Stacey moments, but we moved on from them.

We had like a few things questioned, which is fine. She does have some questions to answer for, but you have to give her the space to be able to answer with the entire group present. It cannot be one-on-ones with Stacey trying to clear the air with everybody because that's stupid. And she hasn't done anything bad enough to warrant that response. Yep. And look, he doesn't even have to show up to anything for the rest of the season. He came to one big group event.

everybody noticed how uncomfortable he was. It was a weird moment for him. He didn't really want to be there. He has a lot of questions about these women. He doesn't know what's going to happen. It's okay. But he showed up. He saved face and now we can all move on.

And if they don't want to move on, we can continue to just point to this. Just point to this event. What do you mean? He showed up. He said hi to everybody. Why do you still have an issue with this? I don't understand.

Time will tell. I don't know. I think we're one more big blow up with Stacy. away from being done with this. I don't think it's over yet, unfortunately, but I think we're getting close. Yeah, we're going to see one big blowup that we're going to get irritated at. And then after that, hopefully we can either faction it off and have three on four or some share.

I always forget, there's like eight of them. Have four on four, three on five. I don't really care, but we need to find Stacey some supporting cast members. We need more. And that's not because, like, oh, my God, I need Stacey. all the time potomac works best when it's cohesive even when people aren't getting along with each other they need to be together because they play off of each other better than any other cast they're the best that if it doesn't come to i guess if it doesn't come together organically

producers will make that happen because dacey is way too big of a housewife and this is a very good group to step in and say you know how this is going i'm okay if a couple of you want to just stay on the other side. You don't want anything to do with Stacey. You want to question everything she does. Fine. But we can't have her out on an island because it's going to look bad for the show when our best housewife who's getting all of this notoriety is over here filming with no one because we can't have that moving forward. I don't care if you're jealous. Do your job. I'm just waiting for who's going to be the first person to hitch their wagon to Stacey once they realize. And all eyes are on Kearnah right now for me. Oh, that's a good point. I could definitely

see her swinging back and look jazzy is now moving into housewife territory instead of friend up territory simply because she's asking all the questions that we want to ask what's the issue here where do you have proof that shows that she lied that's such a simple question that you would think is a no brainer to ask in that situation and yet we have jazzy doing it who's a friend of who doesn't seem to have any issues with stacey that could be the most important career move that jazzy's made just simply hitching her wagon and saying things things like, where's the proof? But I know why they're ignoring that one.

Their whole thought process with that is like, okay, if we've said this multiple times, you guys keep telling me that there's no proof. Stacey, every single time, like, that's not true. That's not true. Okay, call Chris. That's not true. Okay, we got to stop using facts and proof because we keep getting smoked. So anytime, it's just, we're going to sidestep the evidence and just keep calling her a liar.

Jazzy, stop asking that question. We don't have any. Yeah. But she still stinks. But let's get to some questions. From Fush 78, why is Ashley here except to stir shit? She has no other storyline, right? She is there to stir shit.

We've said this a couple different times. She does it really well, and she usually at least progresses storylines, at least gets more information when she does it the right way. She's going to have a few clunkers. She just needs to get off of the Stacey shit and focus on other people. If she focuses her attention on Angel now and she starts being very shaded Angel, she'll be better than Giselle at that. She'll be better than Wendy at that.

And it'll work out a lot better in her favor. That's really all we need from Ashley. We have abandoned the idea of her having a main storyline for the last like four or five years. I think we're just over it. Yep, agreed. Just to add on to that from Lauren Peggs 01, thoughts on Ashley's Mean Girl act. The shit she's doing when I was tired. It's just it's a tired act that we've seen way too many times.

and unfortunately Ashley has to beat a dead horse before she moves on like she has to run it into the ground until everyone is rolling their eyes and then she will move on we're not quite there yet yeah that's a good point

from T. Gulhar do you think that the potato salad was good and thoughts on the catfish the catfish thing oh I didn't even mention it how dumb it's just stupid right out and the fact that

they really put emphasis on it when they were announcing cat who brought what she trying to get it it's like enough even as somebody who doesn't really care for angel I really don't care what's going on we're so past the catfish thing I just don't give a shit anymore and it's just going to add more fuel to angel's fire that is actually already annoying because we're talking about things for months ago just leave it alone and not for nothing but that's actually kind of fucking mean and she hasn't done anything mean to you guys no yeah she's not talking to and she's being annoying but she hasn't been mean and to bring the catfish thing up which clearly upset her is just fucking mean. That's the perfect example of Ashley beating a dead horse. Not funny, stupid bit. And you wasted money on catfish

to make this joke. Yeah. From Val Alejandro Deeks. I'm usually on the same page as you guys, but Stacey I find is annoying. I'm on Tia point of view. Now, that's fine. I'm okay with that.

No, no, no. We also love Tia. No, I know. I'm telling you, I'm telling the questioner to not put us against Tia. Yeah, don't put us against Tia. We're not against Tia. That's okay. You're allowed to have differing opinions. That's why these shows are great.

But you're wrong. A lot of people asking what we would bring to a potluck. I will say Jazzy brought that mac and cheese. I don't think it's her fault, but the mac and cheese did look very dry. It maybe didn't translate on camera. Yeah, didn't translate on camera. Maybe it just didn't transfer that well in the car. That happened sometimes.

cooked it a little too early, you know, I don't know. Yeah, the, the, the, she made a Bay Chamele, maybe it's set too early, you know, looks dry. What would we bring to a potluck? Ribs are good. If I had a smoker, I would bring a bunch of ribs. That depends on the vibe. But another good one is you do like the, like an easy, easy one is any kind of sandwich with Hawaiian, like King's Hawaiian rolls.

Yeah. You can just cut sliders on the whole thing in half and you can lay like buffalo chicken on it, cheese steaks, and then you just bake them and everyone's going to tell you that they're fucking incredible and they're like the easiest shit in the world to make. Yeah, that's a good one. Oh, from E Elizabeth 13, how floored was Giselle when Timo walked into the party? She didn't have anything to say. She was just staring around the room. I can't believe this man exists. Can't believe that he actually just walked in.

Maybe I do have to find a new slant because I can't use that one anymore. but at the same time if I had to if I had to say I think she was probably pissed off she's upset that Stacey actually brought Timo because there goes some ammunition yeah and I that was another thing that bothered me

everyone's like oh it does exist I'm like where's your fucking boyfriend Giselle yeah you don't get to make those jokes Ashley stop you're you're breaking up with Josh on camera like we give a fuck like what do you stop it yeah I got to read this one just because she told us how to say her name it's the same

question from Myra Hellwig, what would you have brought to the potluck? We just told you, but she told us how to pronounce her name in quotes. And I will always read those. Do one more. Trying to find a good one in here. First, before we get to a good one from Kira J98, not me the only one who skips the solo angel Kiarna and Ashley scenes. Probably not.

We can't because we do need to talk about them. But if I had to guess, I would imagine a lot of people skip those solo scenes. I don't think you're alone. We have to watch them. I will tell you this. I have to rewind them sometimes and rewatch them because I go forward and scroll, but I do have to watch them. I will address this now, actually.

This can be our last one from Brie Kenny Hare. Can we talk about Angel's post about this episode? Why did she bother joining the cast? Did you see her posts online? I think it was on threads too, which makes it even more annoying because the fuck actually uses threads. So she, I could do it. little summary for you so you don't have to really look them up she was just talking constantly

last night about how she's going to go after ashley jazelle wendy at the reunion these women have a lot to answer for how dare they question her wealth how dare they question bobby because ashley made that comment about how bobby might just have anger issues which makes zero fucking sense so i am on an angel's team for that one but it seems like she has so much energy now than she did during the show, which gives me no hope for her for the rest of the season that she's now got all this energy

going on while watching. And it's really just like the confessionals and the little things that were made here and there when she wasn't around. You put yourself in this position. I don't know how many times we have to say this. You did yourself no favors with all of these things. We could have excused a lot of the stuff

he did in the beginning of the season, but you're still doing it and we're like, I would imagine two months, three months into filming. You never figured it out. And that's on you. Yeah, I'm reading her She does this after like every episode Apparently

Yeah, she does I'll read this one And then we'll My family's wealth question mark I don't speak out unless I'm asked by producers and confessionals But the fact of the matter is none on this cast can compare Let's be clear week after week

I am aligned lied on by almost each member of this ensemble And y'all expect me to do cartwheels In their presence get the fuck out of here I am me and will continue to be It's not my problem that people have mistaken My column for anything but that no you're on a reality TV show we don't want calm angel like that's not a good response

oh right here let's be clear i am from maryland capital maryland i know where the bones are buried but i kept it classy done this is stupid it's it's a very bad look like you're not and they are filming the potomac reunion this week yeah it's just it don't go don't do that like that's like bad luck that's like going on twitter and responding to the haters like what are you doing i learned my lesson you need to don't do this this you're not doing it in the funny lisa barlow way where you're not responding to people you're just putting like a one sentence out there saying i can't believe what i'm seeing and then no one knows what you're talking about but then you put a rant out there yeah you put a full rant out there and you're actually talking about

the women on the cast it's just never a good look no no because we base it and the audience bases our opinions on what we see on camera. And by the way, if you get a second season, and obviously, again, the reunion's filming this week, you're going to have to answer to those tweets. You're going to have to answer the things that you're talking about. And if it wasn't filming this week and they already did it and you're talking, one, that's really stupid because you filmed the reunion last week and you're clearing the air. It tells me you didn't do shit at the reunion.

Two, you're going to have to answer for it next season if you're lucky enough to get a second season. So you're putting yourself in a bad position no matter what, which is what she's been doing the whole time. So I'm not surprised. Even more so than that. And then we can wrap this up. Like, I love the confidence. I won't knock her there. You can't go stand toe to toe with Jaze at the reunion.

You can't go stand toe to toe to toe with Wendy at the reunion. You can't go stand toe to toe with Ashley at the reunion. Like you, I don't know if you've done your research and watch, watch film, check tape. But like, you're ill equipped to go in there. and defend yourself because we've seen you try in the season and it doesn't work. So for you to like cast this out there before going into the, you're going to get slaughtered. You're going to smoke.

Absolutely. But still a great season, still really enjoying it. Yeah, that's very easy to break down. Oh, boy. Well, we are officially caught up after eight hours in the last two days of podcasting, not complaining just filling you guys in but uh we are back on track so don't worry you get normal episodes and i don't think bravo's doing a weird holiday they might skip like one or two shows but i don't think they're doing a full week off like they did last year so

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