Bros & Shows - Angelica and Eyebrows Sittin in a Tree (VPR Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

What's up Bros? Kim and Natalie are still at odds. But the focal point of this episode is Jason and Angelica... After a lovely pool day, Jason canoodled with another woman in front of Angelica. And then blamed her for being too clingy? From what we've gathered, he's a loser. Venus ends his friendship with Marcus after too many missteps by Marcus. Natalie wants to move on with Kim but Kim continues to use the time and place excuse to avoid the conversation. Oh yeah, Marcus wants to be a DJ so... thats a thing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'll tell you what was a lot better than that Eagles game we just watched. Eyebrows? Eyebrows. Yeah, eyebrows. Eyebrow watch is growing strong, just as those eyebrows are growing strong. Oh, yeah. Bros and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows.

Bros and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and shows. I'm your co-host, you're Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Van der Goots. What's up, dude? So I had a thought while watching this most recent episode.

I was under the impression for some reason that everybody was watching this, and there's still so many people not watching the show, which is very funny to me. I realized that because I started looking at the Instagram follower accounts and realized some of them are still very, very low. And I was surprised by that. But here's the catch 22. As much as I want people to watch them and enjoy it, I don't want people on the show to think that they're cool and fun and going to get rich. So I don't know what to do.

So what do you? It's too soon. It's too soon to be getting big followings and stuff. They need to struggle. See, here's the thing that happens with new Bravo shows. I don't usually toot our horns. I usually leave the tooting to you. I'll toot our horns here.

Uh, we are good at recognizing when shows are going to be good. Like, I pride ourselves on the fact that when we say to you out in the audience, you should start watching this. This is a good show. 99% of the time we're correct. Real girlfriends in Paris, I stand by it. That was a good show. You guys just didn't watch it, so it got canceled, but whatever.

This is another one of those. This is a good show. This will catch on. People will watch this in the next couple of years. It's going to go the same route of Southern Hospital. which we were screaming at you guys for two years to watch and then season three happens and then everybody out there's like oh i was i've been watching it since to begin no you haven't and we know you haven't this is another one of those this is a good show it's a good cast

they are doing their job we are entertained that being said we do not need too much too quick they need to struggle they need to think that they're going to be canceled they need to think that this is a one and done so that they continue to bring it and if they get too rich or too popular too quickly we run the risk of a vanderpump late season scenario or more recently love island yeah um here's the one thing that i can guarantee you will never change on this show the level of intelligence because boy oh boy i wrote the same thing not those words i wrote down i forgot about vanderpump stupid i swear to god i wrote down i forgot what vanderpump stupid is It got to the point where in the middle of this episode,

I looked at Audrey as if she was a genius, just because she was able to form sentences and assess situations and not go overboard and also play the right way. It seems like everybody else on this cast is dumb as a bag of rocks. Yeah, right here. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Smooch? All of these dudes are VPR dumb. Smooch. Who's smooch? And they wrote smooch, because Chris and Audrey smooched. Oh, okay. But yeah,

all these dudes are VPR dumb. It's a special brand of stupid. The girls, look, the girls, some of them are intelligent. They're not all the brightest. The girls are crash out queens.

And the guys are stupid. They're so, so dumb. But then it made me go back. And I was thinking, I was like, okay, well,

Jack's Tom, Tom, James, they're all fucking stupid. It's just, this is going to sound mean to L.A. people, but I think it's just L.A. people. It's the struggling actors and musicians and all those people out there that live in L.A. for too long. I think it might zap your IQ at some point. Maybe, but the inverse is interesting. If you don't have that

high of an IQ to begin with, it just completely depletes it. Agreed. It's just the inverse is really intriguing because so many artists are so intelligent. Not all of them. Not all of them, but there are like maybe we're figuring out why they're struggling artists and not they're stupid honestly i think there's something there because if you think about some of the greats and you watch some of their interviews like wow they're so intuitive and smart intelligent maybe that's the code maybe only a select few stupid artists make it and the majority i don't know i would love to see like an IQ chart of famous people like where they fall not just i just want reality tv people honestly and it's not just because it's in line with our job and it would be kind of handy to

have that on like a little uh a little index card like oh yeah i forgot this person's actually really stupid um clinically don't i do think that that would go a long way for a lot of people even the people that don't watch reality tv it would be helpful to know like oh this person's actually like pretty close to mental level and this person is actually as stupid as advertised yeah he has an IQ of four. Jason. Chris. Jason might be the toughest person I've ever seen in my life.

Chris is a close second. Chris, Chris thinks he's smart. Chris, yeah, I think that that's part of it, but also he's, in a weird way, Chris is dumb in a charming way. I know that he's, he's golden retriever. Dirties, but he's golden retriever dumb where it's like, okay, I could see maybe how you got there. But you know what?

You're trying, buddy. I appreciate that. Some of the shit that Jason, some of the shit that Jason in the saying this episode. I'm like, God, you are stupid as hell and not in a fun way.

He's infuriating. He is that text message. Him and Marcus constructing that tax message was hilarious. And that was the product? Like, you guys,

you guys mashed your heads together and we're like, here we go. And that's what you did? You didn't spell check. I thought it was a little Bravo editing. Like,

we've seen this a lot. And this episode was a little weird, too, that typical bravo magic editing production with a couple different scenes that one seemed like all right it the text message isn't really that long maybe it did take them that long to write that and then when you see the final product like oh fuck that took them like 20 minutes they were in they were in the front of sir they were in the back of sir they were at the bar they were all over the place constructing this thing they asked peter to to read it over once to make sure to spell

correctly you see peter's new uh business venture oh no what I definitely have the name of this thing wrong but he tried to do a crypto coin which I think was magic coin maybe something like that and now I believe what he's doing is some sort of party service where he's going to show people

no but it's not catering it's like I'm going to show you how to do a fun party oh and I think he's going to be there he just wants friends that's getting he wants me you and i got into an argument before because it was like it was me saying i guarantee you peter really wants to be on this show but they won't let him be on the show and you're like you feel bad for pete yeah i don't i think there's there's a semblance of like i just feel bad

i know yeah i think i've gone well past there i don't there's just something sad about a dude that's like and sorry pete but like you know he's been the same position at sir for 20 years now like no upward mobility no no bar of it the tom's even got their own bar and they're fucking stupid they they burned it to the ground in one year

but they got a chance to your psyche right you got these guys all around you that are just succeeding and yet they're very dumb and you never get a chance to do any of that but you're the best worker I think maybe he kind of missed the boat on that one just be a shit worker and be fun and you'll get more chances at this show

there's probably more to it LVP probably cucked him into like submission. You think so? I don't even know if he's at that level. I think that, yeah, I think that she convinced him like you need to be here and just like fucked with his head and was like,

no, no, you're Peter and you're Peter. And they're doing their thing. You're Peter. You're here. Is Demi on the same path? Yeah.

And you can tell. Yeah, I get that time too. She's working. She's working. Everybody else is having girls night. Correct. Yes. I think that's the trap of the manager of sir.

you are there for life the only way out of sir is in a box if you're a manager a box of goat cheese balls should we start do they have to die what is that yeah yes yeah that's what I was saying the only way out's in a box you got to die okay I'm just making sure okay yeah anyway let's jump in and we start out with Natalie and she's doing music stuff with her friend Ryan who comes over and off scene for old me this was a really tough scene for me Yeah, I figured. I figured, but she's actually good at it. I don't know.

I look, it's fine. She didn't do a whole lot, but I'm just repeating what she said. Yeah, dude, this, I don't, like, one, you're not doing anything. Like, this is the microphone, like this, again, very funny. This is the microphone that artists actually use. I believe that. I do believe that you probably spent your entire paycheck on a microphone that you then plugged into a USB cord that you had to find under your couch

into your MacBook that you've had for about seven to eight years that has beer and wine all over it. So yeah, good for you. I mean, if that's what you got to do, that's what you got to do. Venus, you don't have to rap. You don't ever have to wrap for us again. I never want to hear that.

I can't, I can't slight him yet. There was no beat. It was Acapella. I, look, I... Acapella is the worst thing I've ever heard, too. I love Venus. okay and i cannot have an issue with him yet because he's already going through it and i want to give so i am not sitting here defending the rap i want to clarify that is he going food or is he

putting himself through it though well that depends who you ask because in your mind in your eyes i know you you're like stay out of it in mine it's different because marcus was his close friend i felt really bad for venus this episode as far as the rap goes then we'll move on i'm with you it was cringy it was cringy as shit not good didn't like it i like venus too much to condemn his rapping the first time i will give him one more chance and if it's like it was so you're allowed to sit here and you will give him a pass because you like him and you want to like him and you don't want anything to taint his image correct i'm just going to say it how it is that was the worst thing i've ever heard and i never want to hear it again and i broke my fucking tv out of anger

Now, anyway, they are talking about the pool party a little bit and recapping that whole thing, primarily Marcus and Venus and that whole thing. I felt really bad for him because obviously he's talked a little bit about his journey, finding himself coming out, all of those things. But to Marcus or to Venus, Marcus was a big friend because it's his first male straight friend that he finally felt acceptance from. it's something that he says he's been treated like shit his entire life by those dudes so he finally found a guy that's straight that he could be himself with he had a real friend in marcus and then he saw that go away like that because he decided to text everybody in the bar what venus was saying about them so i think it's deeper than i understand your stance of just stay out of it like you're putting yourself in the shitty position but at the same time adding that little nugget in there

does change the dynamic of this whole thing Yeah, I think we just did these mental gymnastics earlier when we were talking about Salt Lake with Brittany, not putting herself in those positions. Right. Venus, I think that what would have happened and what would have transpired is if he had stayed out of it, if he didn't do anything, he didn't go to either of them to see how they were. He just said, look, guys, this is too toxic for me. It's too much. I'm still going to be there as your friends, but I don't want to talk about your relationship anymore. I guarantee you, like, I'm 99.8% sure.

both Marcus and Kim would have torn into Venus for not helping them. Oh, yeah. Because that's kind of where we are. And that goes into what I was saying last week or, you know, seven weeks ago, eight weeks ago, whenever the fuck the last time is that we did a VPR episode. I do think that he now, I mean, obviously we don't really have the benefit of hindsight because we're jumping into this pretty middle of, you know, I imagine Marcus and Kim are going to break up by the end of the season and be done.

But fingers crossed. But I imagine Venus has put himself in this position. time and time and time again to the point that he is the person that both of them will go to and he's sometimes loves it sometimes hates it and now it's gotten to a point where it's completely boiled over but I do think no matter what he does at this juncture he's going to be fucked like they're still going to take it out on him other people are still going to go after him because he's not there for them right now so no matter what he does at this point he's screwed I guess yeah he's going to stand up for himself now which is probably the best

course of action. Yeah, and I'll get into it more when they talk about it again later. I don't want to do it all right now. But I do have some thoughts on the whole thing. Because I do, I'm with you as far as like, you know, this is somewhat of a self-inflicted wound. Like, I'm not lost on that. But we'll talk about a little bit more, a little bit later. Let's get to service, which is my new favorite thing to do and write. Natalie and Chris, there's vibes there. Did you see that? I saw that. Yeah, I, I think, Natalie's so wrapped up in her own bullshit that she won't see that. I think she likes to flirt.

I think that's kind of where we are. Look, they all like the flirt. They all like to flirt no matter who they're talking to. But I did see it. I just don't think what we're going to get from Natalie this year, this season in general, is going to be some sort of awakening where she's going to be like, oh, maybe I'll date this guy. Maybe I'll date this guy.

I think she's so absolutely wrapped up in Shane motherfucking Davis, which can you blame her? Come on. I. It's Shane Davis. I, yeah, us too. But I think she's so wrapped up and not only that, but also the Marcus and Kim stuff that, yeah, I don't really see anything happening there. Also, Chris and Audrey seem okay for now.

So we'll leave them there. I didn't even mean it like that. I'm more meant it's exciting to see other people flirting because you remember, even if these two are hooking up, they could easily fuck things up and bang somebody else that same night. That's what's so good about Sir and Vanderpump rules. That's what I got excited about. We have only fans models, but it's not girls, it's guys. It's two dudes. That's fucking hilarious to me.

That do it together. Yeah. Yeah. What a world. What a time. What a time to be alive, guys. They were on that, that weird, uh, well, I guess. Data than related or whatever.

Data never. Yeah, but that was Chris and his twin. So I don't think Jason comes into play there. Maybe Jason's a little, little butt hurt that he wasn't invited to the dated and related. Maybe. He's always like, hey, let's do our own date and related on my only fans. Yeah, with each other. And no third party.

Hell yeah, brother. They'd probably make a lot of money weirdly. Like I just said, you live in a weird time. By the way, just incredible for us, though, that it's two dudes doing only fans. Because if it's two girls doing only fans, like, I would immediately just be like, I don't really care. Go ahead, get your money. Who the fuck gives a shit? But two dudes doing it, we can make fun of them until the end of the world.

And there's nothing anybody can say to us. no you can't call us names and act like we're problematic because we are going to but you know whatever yeah lay it on me i don't give a fuck i'm gonna yeah hiber are we tiber bullies no because i also don't really care neither do you like go make your money guys it's just objectively funny to watch you take pictures of each other in snake skin thongs with your bulge hanging out that's a funny scene so buckle up where yeah i'm with you on that one little alabama but you know That is the first one. Sorry, Alabama.

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Start with any episode that grabs you. I'll be there waiting. But Angelica and Jason recap, let's talk about that. Because when Angelica is asked, she says, I don't want to talk about it or I'm going to throw up. Oh boy, what happened? because you guys were really hitting it off by the pool when Jason informed you that you're both hot and therefore should hang out together.

That set the tone, by the way. As long as your ex-boyfriend that you live with, which I've actually done a 180 on the boyfriend thing after seeing her when Kim came over to her apartment a little bit later. It's not as big a deal as it was presented. I think that she kind of fumbled over her own words for a little bit. It's really not that. It's like less than a month.

You guys are figuring shit out. Your lease isn't up yet. You're trying to move out. you're sleeping in separate bedrooms to the most part. I think the way that's where it's a little weird. It's like sometimes you're sitting together. I think the murkiness comes in that she's already talking to Jason and trying to date

Jason. And that's what we get from this scene where it's like, okay, I'm with you in the sense of like it's a weird situation. But like once you get out of there and you get your own place or you move in with a friend, go after Jason. Go ahead. Right now, timing seems very weird. Yeah, but from what I saw of that day.

So here's what I've gathered in watching the whole episode. I do think that she comes on strong. Yeah. That being said, Jason's defense is awful. It's not a defense because this situation, they were at the pool all day. He was the one pursuing her all day, putting in a lot of effort, making her seem like he was genuinely interested. They go to another bar, Barney's afterwards. they walk in and across the bar is another girl that Jason has either been involved with or

his friends with he never really clarified he just said friends but who the fuck knows he goes over to talk to her leaving angelica alone goes over angelica looks over his way and this girl's all over him flirting kissing on him as he says of course she fucking left of course she was like, I'm out of here. And his, him saying, she should have came over and said like, hey, he's mine and kissed me. Yeah, that's mommy. Dude, what one, what kind of weird fucked up issues do you have?

And two, who, what woman, what self-respecting woman is going to walk over there and get that from the situation to go, I could tell you just wanted me to fight for you on the first day we're hanging out. No, you're wrong, Jason. Even if she's coming on strong and is clingy, which she means. might be. I don't really know. Could I see that being possible? Absolutely. Have I seen enough evidence? Not really, but, you know, signs are

pointing towards. But regardless of that, that day is now her day because you put in all the time at the pool. You asked her to go to Barney's afterwards. That is a date in my eyes. I know fucking labels and shit, but whatever. Of course, she left.

And then for him to say, it's pretty fucking weird. His explanation to her, after all of this, is so much funnier, but this was just a great way to introduce what kind of person, Jason is. Yes. This makes literally no sense. Just none whatsoever. I'm proud of Angelica for leaving.

I could have seen that situation changing a million different ways. Her leaving is not in the top percentile at all. I expected her to get involved, get someone else involved, maybe have a big train wreck moment where she's crying outside. I don't know. But she didn't do any of those things. She just got up and left. A reasonable situation to get up and leave from. Now, when that happens, I do think you come back in and say, well, that's done.

I'm not going to hang out with that guy because that's how he treats me. She's not quite there yet, but, you know, I don't know. Maybe she's got a little foggy brain because of the whole X thing. Who knows what the hell's going on there? She's still not in the wrong. Him saying that's mommy was worse than Venus continuing to. rap with no beat for another 27 minutes. Like, that's, that's where we are.

That's, that's the line. And I have no words for what that made me feel. It was the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but also the cringiest thing I've ever heard. So congratulations on that. You take the cake for both. I threw up in my mouth and we don't kink shame here, but that was fucking bizarre. That's not a kink. That was weird.

And then for him to go a step further and unfollow her. Like, what a weird move. And here's what I've gathered of Jason, okay? One, he thinks he is way hotter than he actually is. My dude, and we don't like to do this here usually, but for you, go fuck yourself. You're five foot two, and your eyebrows are massive. No shot to anybody out there with thick eyebrows, that's your lot in life. When you act like a Jason, I will come after your eyebrows and your height.

Who do you think you are, sir? You are no Shane Davis. You're not even remotely close. You can't even see to Shane Davis's shoulders at your height. What are you doing? No one talks this way. And then it brought in my other theory because there's two types of ugly duckling syndrome. And I talked to Dev about this earlier.

Ugly Dougling syndrome, one is a positive experience. It's somebody that becomes attractive later in life. Therefore, having gone through life as a non-attractive person, have learned to be nice, kind, take care of people. You know, they don't act like a, like a beautiful asshole. The second type of ugly duckling syndrome, I can't say that word. The second type of ugly duckling syndrome is somebody that becomes more attractive later in life. I'm using that term loosely. I still think he looks like a hobbit, but that's neither here nor there.

They get hot and then they act how they think hot people act. That's who Jason is. And they say the things that they think hot people say. Yes. Like saying to Angelica, you're hot, I'm hot. Let's be hot together. People don't talk that way. So that's what I've gathered. Jason thinks he's up here somewhere when literally and figuratively he's right about here somewhere. And Angelica's way out of his league. And the fact that she's giving him another chance, there points the red flag back to her. So they're just trading red flags at this point, you know, for different reasons. As far as the night goes, the night number one, totally team Angelica, not even remote. close to Jason's side at all but how this thing plays out from here now it's anybody's game once again because she decides

to dip a toe back into the Jason pool no pun intended after he unfollowed you ditched you for another girl blamed you he blamed you for the whole thing because you didn't act maternal to him

what I would I really wanted to introduce you to her that tells me threesome potentially, but I don't think even his dumb brain got there. Like, I don't even think he got there. I think he was still stuck on the, oh, how am I going to get out of this one? Well, she'll show me a lot if she comes over and steals me away, then I'll know that I should be with her today.

Like, no. And then to try to spin it even further and say, well, it is kind of weird that you're going to act that way when you're supposed to be going back to your apartment with your ex-boyfriend and you're going to sleep with him, I'm going back to my apartment all alone. And the only comfort I get is Chris getting up to flush the toilet at 2 a.m. But weird that you threw that last part in there. Does not shake the allegations that I just made earlier in the episode. But very weird and also wrong.

I have to get up and shake it for Chris. Yeah. Sometimes he wants me to film it and I don't really know what to do with it. So I just keep it on my camera roll and I look at it later just to see if it was a good pick. I just hear it for the bathroom. This thing, I go to shake itself. And I know it's my turn. no he's just a fucking loser like he's just a loser as of right now like opinions change

especially oh with with these people they don't really have personalities they are going to be all over the map oh yeah yeah but he is firmly cemented in the bottom tier at this current moment because what a terrible episode he he comes back a little bit later because he's just he's baffling he's baffling but whatever anyway Shane davis arrives you can tell because you here i'm coming his i love this guy i do his reasoning for why he goes to sir yep as as somebody in recovery is my favorite reason ever there's an a meeting two doors down there's one across the street one right across the street and i can piss off madeline yeah every single time he just shows up with another girl he's on another date let me just

have her come in oh uh you know what i'll take uh oh yeah let me get that uh not alcohol Oh, like Mojito. Yeah. That's what I want. He keeps saying it as if it's the first time he's ever ordered a mojito. And I love it. I take it enough of this guy. Neither can Natalie.

As we see from scenes from next week, they're smooching. So look, love him or hate him. No one hates him. If you hate him, you're lying to yourself. You're fucking lying to yourself. But I'm digging the Chris and Audrey vibe. They're my two favorites probably as of right now. Like Chris, as we talked about, gives that golden retriever energy.

Audrey's carrying, Audrey's carrying a lot. She is. Chris hasn't done anything wrong yet. Audrey, I, she's the closest to Shane Davis, I think.

Yeah, she's the female Shane Davis. I would agree with that. She's cool. And she's, she's definitely doing a lot of the heavy lifting for this cast at the moment. She's the one that's giving us the rundown of what's going on.

She's the one that's holding her shit together in these moments that everyone else is losing their mind. So she is climbing the ladder very, very steadily. So nice. job, Audrey. Now, this man claims to be smart. I'm not saying you need to know like how to do feng shui or anything like that. Fake it. Yeah. Oh, cool. That'll work. But then I also appreciate that he's not doing that. Like he gold retriever. I don't know what that means.

Yeah. It sounds like some dirty sex thing. It's a bit of an enigma. I was kind of tossing around this idea in my own head. I don't know, because obviously he agrees to help her move, which this all worked out. This is actually what I want to hear from somebody in like their early 20s. All of your leases, you, your friend, your other friend, everybody's lease was up at the same time. We're all going to move in together. Love that. That's absolutely perfect.

It seems like Mary Faith at least is going to be somewhat of a mainstay on this show. Mary Faith. Thank you. I forgot her name. Yeah, we don't know anything about her. I'm gathering that she's rich because her mom has a horse. somewhere out in malibu so that's yeah and she doesn't work it sir yeah i'm getting rich vibes from her so she i would imagine will come into play at some point but either way if you're chris and you're

what is he 32 32 years old i get you know you're dating a younger girl and you want to help her out with moving and stuff and you want to show off that you're a big strong man the years of me helping anybody move are long long since gone and if i was in a situation like Chris is not that I would be I don't think I would help even then I might be like hey you know what I'll like arrange some sort of moving company to do this I'm not fucking doing this I'm not for a moving company in LA yes he can he's got only fans money and he's got that Netflix money too he's he's got cash his dad told me to go buy clubs you know that go buy things that are going to make your hobbies more interesting don't worry about that get surfboards golf clubs get pre- pretty girls moving companies yeah whatever you gotta do i who knows who cares what you're doing to do that's kind of what i was thinking but you know at the same time i don't know he's kind of playing into the he knows he's 32 but i think he's acting like he's like 25 and i think we're gonna see a lot of that while they're dating that that i will do an l a thing too i do feel like age out there kind of blurs

i feel like you know you go here's what i think genuinely i think that all of the people trying to make it are quote unquote in their 20s, regardless of their actual age. And then if you make it, that's when you then become a quote unquote loosely quoting adult where you see like the BPR OG cast where it's like, now we're supposed to be grownups. And then we get to watch them on the valley try to be grownups. And you're like, wow, you guys still can't do this, but at least you have money, I guess. So that's what I think in LA. It's like you're young, regardless of age while you're pursuing your passion. And then when you either give it up or make it, you are the.

then quote unquote a grown up. I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah. Cool. Moving on from there, we get Venus and Marcus. And they go outside to have their conversation. And this is where I really felt for Venus because of the things that he was saying as far as

most men treated me like shit. And you're the first straight guy friend that I had. I held you in really high regard. And I know you're going through some shit. And I've tried to give you a pass. And here's what I was saving for later. Here's what I think happened. I think that Venus has turned a blind eye to all of this shit for a while.

I do, he strikes me as the kind of person that doesn't want his friends to be douchebags, but has grinned and bared it for Marcus because it's a unique situation. So my first straight friend, you know, we have a really close bond. This is something I haven't had before. I'm willing to look the other way for a while. Now, to your point, he does get involved in the relationship, probably more than he should. And probably because, like you said, when he is. the go-to guy he probably feels kind of good until shit blows up now they are going to put him

in that scenario regardless so i think that no matter what had happened whether he stayed out of it like you said got involved at some point i do think marcus was going to do something where venus was like i can't defend this anymore even if it wasn't with kim i think that this was a long time coming it just so happened to be this specific instance yeah i think you're right too i have a bit of a different take on this but it's more for like the end of their conversation i just feel like what happened is now starting to sway a little bit where marcus is now taking the angle of you through the first punch you didn't have our back you blew up and then you sent me a text now i think venus could do himself a little good not

that it would really go that far with somebody like marcus especially not somebody like kim but maybe don't just say well i was just blowing up because marcus can just return the favor and then all of a sudden you guys are in the same spot anyway so it doesn't help that situation at all i just think at this point if you're going to take the stance of then our friendship is over then just go scorched earth i mean marcus already did that that's what we want to see go after everybody else start telling everybody else what's going on marcus is drinking at work again i don't care if you snitch on him show him what can happen as he showed you last week that he can tell everybody like Gabby what's going on and all the things that he's been saying about those people

do the same thing to Marcus just get down on the dirt with him because that's the only thing that's really going to play with somebody like him i think he does i think he i don't think it's about integrity i think he still wants to be marcus's friend i think he's doing this right now because he feels like it's the only option for him right now and he's trying to save some sort of level of respect for himself and he's hoping maybe this conversation will go differently if he stands up for himself. Maybe Marcus will have a little bit of a change of heart, I guess, which isn't going to happen because I'm going to tell you right now what Marcus is doing by going to LVP later, talking about all the things that he's doing with his trauma counseling, acting like everything so much

better. You know, I've been having such a great couple of days now. Me and Kim are in a better position. That's what's going on. He's now convincing himself that all the things he's doing right now are right. And one of those things is burying Venus. So now Marcus is all. high and mighty he made the right call here it doesn't matter that he went and then told people like gabby what venus was saying about him because everything's working out in his favor he's starting to feel better so he thinks that he's doing the right thing so there's nothing venus can say in this moment that's actually going to throw him off that's a really good point i agree and i think they will eventually reconnect i mean we've watched dpr for years and pretty much any bravo show

like eventually they will repair this friendship but I agree I think that the root of venus not going scorched earth I do think he has more integrity than somebody like marcus but I also think that he wants to leave the door slightly ajar for a relationship in the future of some sort so just to be able to at least be cordial but I guarantee Marcus is going to do some more stupid shit that's what's funny when you say that he's in this like pink cloud right now if everything's going my way, everything's coming up, Marcus, he hasn't changed. And he's going to come crashing down. He's actually got worse. He's actually done worse because now he feels like what he's doing

is good for him. So he's going to continue to do those things until he crashes and burns. And then where he's going to go reach a hand up, that's where I think, one, if Venus did really mean this, he would swap the hand away and say, fuck you. But he doesn't really mean it. He's going to come back in and say, I've got you, buddy. I've always been here. And that's how we're going to come back together, but it's also not going to be a whole lot. Which, you know, again, like you said, we see a lot of these relationships on Bravo for a lot of friendships, usually a lot of dude friendships. This is how it works out. You come back in when they need you.

You feel all high and mighty. Once again, it sort of just flips over to Venus now where Venus is like, well, you really needed me. Now I've got the upper hands, but it doesn't work for that long. And then you guys come crashing and burning again. The end of this conversation, though, where neither of them move. Oh, the standoff. The sexual tension is palpable. Oh, really interesting.

I thought they were going to kiss. I thought that's what you wrote smooching your book for. No. Yeah. Interesting. Do you think Marcus would have smooched him? I think so. Yeah.

Oh, that's a new angle. Okay. I could definitely feel a little bit of tension there. I will say this, Venus, if you need some straight friends, we got you. You're awesome. I'll be your friends. Just don't wrap around us. You can wrap around me.

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It's definitely not over. And I do. I think we're both on the same page. Shit's going to pop off. Marcus is going to plummet back to Earth. And he's going to go to Venus immediately and apologize, hat and hand. Venus is a nice enough person to not bury him in his time of need. And he's going to pick up the pieces.

And they'll be friends again until Marcus feels emboldened again, fucks over Venus. And we'll be right back here. here in about seven episodes or next season. Somewhere in that range. But Kim goes over to Angelicus House and they're just chit-chatting about the Jason scenario. And as you said, I was hoping we would hear, yeah, fuck that guy. He sucks.

He unfollowed me. Like, what a weirdo. Nope. No, she still likes him. And then where I got the potential, okay, she might come on strong is the fact that the phrasing of it it's not i'll get him another shot it's about dating him so we went from i was a fun day to i would date him if you know he takes accountability i would date him it's like oh okay we didn't have to go we could have just coffee you know i don't know how you yeah how you like

young folks label you're dating anymore i'm so lost on that whole i would like a coffee date yeah i mean i i think that i probably would have had a different reaction to the scene if she had just said, I'll give him a second chance and see if he can make up for it instead of saying I see a future with him and I want to date him. Yeah, it's a little crazy after the night that you guys just went through, which by the way, when they started recapping that night, I thought we were going to get very different representations of what happened that night. We got the same representation. It was exactly the same story. So that tells me everything I need to know. And the fact that you're now not only giving them a second chance, but you still want to date the guy. Yeah, it's a little

suspect red flag count it's starting to tick up a little bit in angelica's uh i guess disfavor i'd say it's like three to two jason d angelica yeah it's pretty close is still because well it's funny that whatever angelica did out there clearly rattled him because he was literally shaking trying to talk to demi about trying to talk to kim about it didn't know what the fuck was going on so clearly he felt like sort of bad or you know he could have sold that one i would have been on board with that like i just you know i panicked and know what to do so i just i got mad at her and told her that she's weird i i should have listened he says that i'm like oh good yet you should have listened you should have sat and listened and said sorry for making out with somebody else

while i was out with you but then he says one more thing she is really hot that's what it's about you're sitting outside she's yelling at you're like oh my god just like my mom used to yell at me you got a half a chub and you're like i want to boink her so i should have listened to listened and you're hot yeah fuck you you easy it's it's just one of those situations where he knows that he works or he's going to have to see her they're on the same show not that i don't i don't really think that that's really crossed anyone's mind no realize they're on a show together and they're going to have to film a lot they work together and i don't think that he can bear the thought of going to work and seeing her knowing how hot he thinks she is

yeah and then not being able to at least hook up with her once that's pretty much all he wants. That's all it is. That's literally all it is. He threw in the I should have listened thing for like a couple of brownie points. That's all that was. It's soften the blow of I really, really want to bang her. My eyebrows are talking about it all night. Anyway, Audrey's moving and she's moving in with Parker and I wrote down blonde woman who is Mary Faith. Mary Faith is her name. M.F. Hey, that's fun. Um, Think about what people do when they're terrible people, but they want to win back the public.

What do they do? They marry their faith. They marry their faith. Oh, Jesus cloak. We're back on Jesus cloak. I love the Jesus cloak. Jesus Curtain. I like cloak better.

The shroud of Turin. I know some shit. I didn't expect that one. I thought you were going to go like invisibility cloak or something for Harry Potter. Nope, shout a turn. All right, cool. Depending who you ask, they could be the same thing. Anyway, Audrey's movie.

That was good. I'll piss off a couple people with that one. Love you guys. Audrey's moving, and it's almost like a scene from a movie. They're going to lift this big, heavy box, and out of nowhere strolls up Chris in his track suit. What was he wearing? Either way, I thought one of Audrey's friends, the guy that they're moving in with,

I thought that was Chris wearing that overall. Short overalls with the boots. I couldn't pull that off. I know, but he probably still would wear it. If you go on his only fans, he probably got inspired by Parker and was like, oh, that would look great on me and Jason. So I helped stuff a sock into Jason's bulge before we shot.

It was really cool. That's my bro. And then he oiled me up. And then he called his mommy. That's going to live in my head forever. That really fucked me up. There's some things that happen in life where it just like changes you. changed me not in a good way anyway i like that parker takes on the role of you know

protective friend hey man let's talk a little audrey so what's going on with you two and i honestly really like chris's response he's like you know i'm here for a reason like i'm not just a friend like i'm i'm into her i think she's into me his reasoning to his confessional i really liked he didn't just talk about how hot she was or end a sentence with and she's really hot like he actually is taking an interest in audrey and everything i've seen with these two seems to be they seem to be genuinely into each other, if not anything more, I'm rooting for. I like them. They're into each other and they're not overly obsessive.

They're not really weird and clingy. They're not talking about each other constantly. They're only answering questions about each other. I like it. I'm in support of it. I agree. I agree. And we get that cute little,

that cute little kiss. And that was like a real like first sneaky like, I don't want my friends to see, but I can't, I can't not kiss you. I saw you pick up that big, big, big burly bastard. get over here. So it was a nice scene. I'm shipping them. I'm shipping them 100%.

I'm not shipping another Vanderpump DJ. No. No. No. This was just an annoying scene to begin with. And look, if you're going through all of those things and you want to talk to LVP about it,

you want to thank her genuinely for giving you a chance. Absolutely. But the bullshit meter for this conversation was so goddamn high. And usually we don't try to rip too far into these things. this was just pure and utter bullshit. Again, they did film, and I'm going to be a stickler for this one.

There was a camera in there while you were talking about your trauma with this therapist who decided to be on camera for Bravo. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying any of it. And to ask her a favor at the end, but to guise it as, you know what would really help me as I'm working through all of this is getting me a DJ slot. I swear LVP had PTSD, like in that moment. fuck me oh boy i didn't want to do this james i guess james james well you sound different um yeah

absolutely not this this whole conversation was very clearly bullshit yeah and kicked him down the meter a lot i'm fine with having the classic fuck boy moron on on these shows like you need that guy most of these dudes are that marcus is the overconfident one that thinks he's the number one guy in the group, right? So, like, I'm used to that. But when you try to use your parents' death to swing a DJ spot, like, fuck you. That's gross. That's true.

I was grimy. I thought the whole scene was bullshit, too. But then my BS meter starts going off. And I'm like, all right, well, we watched Vanderpump Villa, right? We watched all of those production or overly produced scenes where LVP has her therapist moment with the cast member. how much of this was her we need a dj marcus you're getting old and you don't have a lot in life would you want to be a dj your parents just passed away we can we can make this whole thing a nice little

package of i'm going to give you a chance because you're going through something and you can become the new see you next tuesday dj i would hope not purely because i really hope that lbp isn't trying to copy and paste the original bpr me too that's the only thing that i don't want and i would hoping because of Vanderpump Villa, because she's got all these different things going on, you don't have to do anything. You can be very hands off with this group until things get too rowdy.

Then, of course, you have to play bad cop and get in there and suspend someone. But for something like this, if she was behind that and she gave this to Marcus or asked if he had anything and then did this whole production scene, that's absolute bullshit.

And that kind of bums me out. I'm just saying the pieces are all there. And if you want to play this game just quickly, This is the only time I'm going to do this, and only for the dudes. But if you want to play the archetypes now compared to OGVPR, there are some matches, right? Jason and Chris, Tom, Tom, like you can do this, Marcus, Jacks. So, and I know Marcus isn't playing the role of Jacks, he's the DJ, but you can look at this

and see the similarities, right? It is, I'm sorry, just way too on the nose for me to be like, oh, you want to be a DJ? It's like, why? Why do we have to force this? And what we want is we just want LVP to at least have the good sense of, yeah, no, we're not going to do that again. Just stay in your own fucking lane, figure it out. The lanes are going to get blurred regardless. Everybody's going to start crossing over. They're all going to start hooking up with each other. It's going to be an absolute mess. Do not try to overproduce. If she's doing that, I know, you know, there was no real indication, but obviously you

saying that got my feelers going up in the air. I'm thinking kind of the same thing. If that is the case. Don't fucking do that. Just leave it alone. Yeah, I don't know because this could have gone a different route. Like if we'd watched Marcus at home spinning, right? Or talking to his friends about music all the time. Like anything that would have led us to this, but no, it just came out of left field. And it's like, well, we don't have a DJ. Yeah, because your other DJ is a wife beater. But I don't know. I, I, it's a little too on the nose. I will, I will suspend judgment in hopes that she's not copying pasting. I can do that at least, but it does get the radar going a little bit.

Now we got a split evening. We've got Girls Night, minus Demi, poor Demi. And then we've got service with the dudes, all right? Everyone's getting ready for Girls' Night. As we know, the tension will be high because of Kim and Natalie still not getting along. This was an absolute train wreck, but very fun to watch. So we get to the restaurant, right? Are we getting ready?

Getting ready before we go. And as we're getting ready, we're laying the groundwork of why the evening's going to be tense. I'm sorry. And even if she's in the right, Kim is a fucking wet blanket, dude. She is so not entertaining. I was so bummed to see. I know that we saw Angelica and Kim have that moment where Kim goes over to Angelica's. But like, it doesn't mean you have to pick a side.

You're still new. I mean, everyone else has to. in here. The only other person I know is new is Chris, and that's because he still doesn't know how to make a fucking drink. He asked what was in an apparel spritz and couldn't find it, which is also very funny as a bartender. But you're still new here. Everybody else has their ties. They already pick their side. They're either Team Venus slash Natalie. I guess they're two separate sides, but they're the same side in my mind or Team Kim and Marcus. You don't need to start flocking. You can do what Audrey's doing. Audrey realizes what's going to happen and wants to

stay out of it and wants to keep things separate as much as possible. So you guys can have fun and Jalki getting involved in being Kim's yes woman in this scene before you even go anywhere. Why? You have no reason to do that. It was a weird thing to hit your wagon. You know, and I get it. We've seen it before. Newby comes in, you know, nervous and you just want to have, you want to belong. So you pick a side. Yeah. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Kim's side is not the right side to pick just from an entertainment value purpose. like if you want to have longevity on this show don't go to the Kim of the show

you go to the Natalie of the show right Natalie is entertaining fucking loose cannon for sure but you can't deny she's fun to watch on TV so yeah I agree I was like why are we snuggling up so very quickly to Kim who by the way if you've been paying attention while you guys have been out

previously she's not great either like your issues with Natalie Kim has has shown all of those same behaviors as well correct so yeah for then Yeah, it was just very, I'm with you. I didn't like that at all. And as we're on the sprinter van or the party bus, which it was really funny to me that the, did you see the name of it?

No. PBG party bus group. Oh, boy. So on the nose. But they're all vibing, dancing. I don't know who Kim's friends are, but they seem to suck to. She's on her phone. She's sitting there on her phone.

You're on a party bus in your 20s. You have to spin on the pole. That's a rule. I followed that rule every time I went on a party bus. I would still do that on a party bus. No one likes the person in the, yeah, fuck it. You're on a party bus. You're on the PBG party bus for God's sakes.

And you're going to sit in the corner like me. You're probably texting Marcus. And again, do you have a problem with everyone there? No, you don't. You have a problem with Natalie. And maybe you have a problem with Audrey and maybe you have a problem with other people that aren't taking your side actively. but you should be standing up

this tells me everything you need to know about Kim you should be standing up trying to draw some alliances maybe you should be shit talking Natalie in front of her to someone else trying to swing them that way that's at least something a little bit more active while having a good time if you're going to sit down and text the entire time you are a wet blanket you're an absolute bummer

and no one wants to be around you and it's only going to take them a little bit of time to figure it out well yeah and she brought her friends with her right she has this little group of lackeys that are like, you're right. Well, Natalie brought a friend too. It seemed like everybody kind of had a friend because wasn't Mary Faith there too. Yeah, Mary Faith was there.

Everybody was allowed to invite a friend, it seems. Oh, that's a friend. I thought Kim had multiple. So maybe I'm just being- Kim had two or three, but everybody else had at least one friend there. Yeah, maybe I'm being a little too nitpicky. I don't know. She's just really blah, so it's easy to pick on.

But you can tell the party's picking up the vibes. They get to the bar and Audrey pulls Nashick, what the fuck was that? Like, what's going on? This, they're not being fun at all. And it, like, flashes over to Kim and her boring-ass crew and they're just being fucking boring. And now, that being said, and I think before I say that that being said part, I do think there's something to be said about the fact that Natalie has not talked to Marcus since that blow up at the pool. Like, she's listening to what. And I understand.

very much so you know me i don't like things that are unsettled like i'm i'm the person that will force a conversation because i don't want to sit in awkwardness so i get that part of it but there's also another side to it where it's like after a certain point you're doing yourself a disservice kim might be wrong but you're drawing a lot of negative attention to yourself and you're deviating from the evening and people are pointing at you as the problem no i don't think angelica of all people who's eating mac and cheese should chime in just keep eating your mac and she's, but she's not wrong. Like, in that moment, you are the problem.

Yeah, and I'm usually the opposite, too, because I'm usually the Audrey side. Just there's no reason to do it right now. It's going to absolutely ruin the evening. But I do think that being said for Natalie, she went about it the right way. I have no problem with the way that she went about it. She went about it very calmly. She went over. She put her arms around Kim, whispered in, hey, if you have a moment to talk, I'd really

like to talk about this because I want to clear the air and get to a point where this isn't the problem. Then it's Kim's problem. The problem is, and there's a lot of problems here, the big problem is how you carry on after that conversation. If you try and fail and you do it in front of a good, unbiased person like Audrey, who's watching and telling everyone, all right, yeah, let's just stay out of it, leave it alone, and it fails miserably, go on with your night. Go have fun and just steer clear of Kim the whole time. And if Kim has a problem, she'll come back over to you later. We've seen that already happened three times in the first three episodes.

This is now the fourth. So here we go again. There's no reason to then put it all on yourself and start freaking out. And that's exactly what she does, which like you said, draws all the negative energy towards you. You could have just done yourself a world of favors if you just let it go. All right. Kim doesn't want to talk. Maybe she'll never want to talk.

But that's her fucking problem. I went about it the right way. I'm going to go have fun with other people. And then you start having fun with someone like Audrey. You have fun with Mary Faith. you have fun with the friend that you brought. Other people will start to flock to you if you're having fun. That's the whole point of a boys or a girl's night.

Whoever's having the most fun, that's who's going to have the most friends. Kim's not going to be that person. She's going to be over there texting in the corner talking shit, and no one's going to want to hang out with her. And you're going to ruin her evening by having fun with everyone else. And that's all you really have to do. But no one on this cast understands that, I don't think. No, not yet at least.

I don't know. The majority won't. The Audrey's might get it. You know, people with a little more feel of the situation. but again like as you said the way she approached it was good that was good and you would have so much more ammo because once again you've tried to do this a few times and we've seen it time and place you get met with the time and place thing kim says that almost every time we try to talk to her so at this point like you said if you just chalk it up to look every time i try to do this it's the wrong

time or place i'm done you let me know in the right time and places and then walk away and go ride the bowl with your friends and you would have won and everybody there would be looking at Kim miserable texting on her phone not having fun and you having fun and they would be on your side they would say yeah did you see last night Kim was such a wet blanket Natalie was just trying to like talk to her and squash it and she wouldn't even give her the time of day it changes everything but instead now you have Audrey who's on your side go to a confessional and say once hurricane Natalie starts there's no raining her back in and you lost yeah but that uh we we wouldn't have gotten yet another cinematic finish to an episode oh sure because they are doing unbelievable work

with the end of these episodes with the different camera angles and all the different shit going on simultaneously going back to two episodes prior where you've got audrey getting danced on by Chris and Jason and Kim is just spiraling out with Natalie in the background and Marcus is freaking out and both things are happening at the same time. We get another one with Natalie on the phone with God knows who. I was hoping it was Marcus because that would have been really funny, but it's not. It's probably just one of her friends, but sitting on the phone over and over and over again with people in the background having a great time riding the pole is very funny.

It's a very cinematic way to finish the episode. It was and it sucks for Natalie because then you have Kim's last lackeys over there like you gave her so much grace you gave her all the opportunities this is they don't matter though they're like gabby like we're never i know i know i agree it's just it's it's again it's the power struggle right like you lost this battle and it was pretty easy to win these are the growing pains especially on a cast like this a show like this that you're going to see and the funniest part about a show like this the vast majority of them will never get it this will be them for the next 10 seasons

as we see with all of the VPR cast minus maybe three people. Stasi, Doty, most of the time. She still reverts back every once in a while and maybe Schwartz a little bit. Kind of.

Because the rest of them, no, Brittany, Jack's fucking all, yeah, the rest of them are disaster. Still, they're the same people. So I don't know, but it's a good episode. It's a good show. Like this, if you're not, watching i don't understand especially right now where you have a little bit of a lull to catch up like it's a good show i this this what i fear is once again because it's a new cast of a loved

franchise we're shunning it because it's not the o gs and i think that could not be that's a weird way to say it that's a dumb way to do it it's a dumb way to do it but it's also completely different than a return of like rowdy because that's how they just had the wrong cast for that this is exactly what BPR was founded on this is exactly where we started so just dip a toe in come yeah if you're listening to us and you're not watching and we know a lot of you do that because you comment that we're watching shows we hate thanks so much watch the show we like give us a chance let us know yeah give us a chance come on but uh anyway again no questions just because it's uh it's been this is the last

episode i think of yeah yeah we're in that weird limbo phase but uh we are back to normal this week so stoked to get back to business stoked to have some structure in our lives once again and uh that's all i got you got anything else nope well that's our show bro's got to go welcome to mick unplug the number one podcast for self-improvement and modern leadership. I'm Mick Hunt, your host, and I'm here to challenge your why and fuel your because. This is where leaders, entrepreneurs, and go-getters come to level up. Each week, I bring you unfiltered conversations, game-changing strategies, and the kind of motivation that transforms lives and legacies.

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