Bros & Shows - Ariana Goes Off at The Water Tasting (Vanderpump Rules Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

Whats up Bros? It is VPR night and Ariana finally goes off on Sandoval this episode. Katie and Schwartz have a conversation about her hooking up with Max, but weirdly this seems to have brought the two closer. Some could argue they were flirting... The gang has a water tasting party at James and Ally's and Ariana goes off on Sandoval. It seems as though a lot of pent up anger towards him finally spills out and rightfully so. However we disagree slightly with the attempted dog murdering thing seeing as Ariana is the one that left the trash out. The beach day that takes place later goes exactly the same and its becoming clear that the line in the sand is much more definitive. Ariana and Sandoval cannot be around one another. She goes off once again and calls out the group for attempting to force these situations and to force some kind of peace between her and Tom... It will not happen but it appears that a lot of members of the group are getting somewhat tired of Ariana refusing to move on (its only been 6 months). It seems as though there may be some strain on the group as a whole. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I just thought of it. Yeah, you could say that again. Look, you tried to say in the last episode, the weather's been nice. First of all, it has not. We had like one break on Sunday. Well, you don't have to do this again. It's just depressing, bro. It's like, it's rained all day. It's going to rain all day tomorrow. I'm sad because VPR kind of pisses me off, and it's just annoying.

I think it was all-encompassing for me this evening. Plus, I did my taxes today. Oh, yeah. Turbo tax. That's not a plug for a turbo tax, but Jesus Christ. You want to talk about something that it's almost like driving in Philly and you're like totally unaware and you hit one of those motherfucker potholes, you know what I'm talking about? And it's just instant rage.

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No, but poor Dev, like, I was just, I had a short fuse. Not that I was like raging around the house. I was just like short. I don't know. I don't like being grumpy. And I was, like, people think I'm grumpy. I'm not actually that grumpy.

Today I was Oscar. I was a little old Oscar the Grouch today. Is that more like being a, curmudgeon comes into play like curmudgins enjoy being grumpy oh it's an interesting premise like you just said you don't enjoy being grumpy but if you did you'd be a curugin yeah maybe you're just like accepting your disposition as you're just grumpy all the time yeah i don't like being like that but today i was and uh the good news is the taxes are finished and at some point it's going to stop raining but i'm going to italy on sunday so at nothing nothing should be

making me sad god forbid it rains in italy i don't care i'll be in italy i don't have to do anything Like, I don't care. It can rain in Italy. And I'll go a lot of time. It's not going to. I know, I know. The forecast is 80 degrees and sunny. How about that?

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How's your dick not hang out of those things, you know? I think about that? No. I don't know, you see a lot of guys wearing those, like, short-ass trunks are like, where's your dick, man? You get the moose knuckle a lot. Yeah, but, you know. Which is also, like, I don't get the look. I get, like, you know, the European vibe.

That's what they wear. It's fine. No judgment here. Maybe they wear a tape, and they kind of, like, tape it down. Like, dick tape. Pull it around. This is what people want to hear. This is the important conversation.

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obviously I know it's the elf in the room everybody wants to talk about it and we're finally getting to the point where Ariana and Santaval are actually talking to each other if you want to say talking more like shouting more like you cannot classify this as talk maybe change the prepositional phrase and say at each other instead of to each other so yeah but it's not that enjoyable for me it's just not fun and honestly the really the only thing that stood out to me this entire episode that I enjoyed was Martin No, was Schwartz and Katie talking. Me too.

That was funny and that's enjoyable and whatever and that's great. Everything else just kind of sucked. Yeah, it was a bummer of an episode to the point where we had a watch party tonight and a commercial for the Valley came on. I was like, I would much rather be watching this right now. What a turn. I know. I know. And look, it wasn't necessarily a bad episode.

It's just getting difficult to watch because it's like I know what's about to happen. Nothing's getting resolved. and I'm not saying it needs to be resolved because obviously we understand what happened but at the same time it's like you have to film a show and if these two cannot be in the same place come up with a way to not have them in the same place

because this is not fun it's not like oh they're going at it again it's like oh this is kind of we shouldn't be watching this yeah I feel like it's a weird mix of obviously they have to film together they have to be at the same place for certain events and the rest of the cast trying to force them to talk to each other

or trying to get them to, you know, kind of, I guess, go after each other. And that's really what we're seeing is you've got a lot of people here that are worried about their paycheck. Like, how can we, I've got nothing to show you right now. If you're James, you're like, yeah, you're not going to show me go to a concert or you're not going to show me to do this. I'm going to go just throw a grenade out there and just see what happens. Or Brock stepping in randomly and starting shit after he just had a discussion with Sheena, you know, an hour before the beach. Those types of things are, that's really what's kind of propelling everybody forward. And obviously, you know, the scene with the pizza party, with the, I refuse to call it what it was.

So I'm going to call it a pizza party. It was a water sommelier event. I refuse to call it that. I will refer to it. Whereas the Pizza Hut party, which is very clear that it was Pizza Hut because they blurred out the rest of the box, but not the Pizza Hut thing. That really drove me crazy. But aside from that, everybody else is like, okay, we've got nothing going on here. Everybody wants to see this.

Everybody wants to see Ariana and Tom discuss things and yell at each other. So let's just do that. And I don't really want to see that. It's weird because it's framed as we want you guys to figure out a way to, like, be cordial, which I do believe that that's the goal for the group, but the way they go about it in the moment is not helping anybody. But, like, how did we get, if you're thinking logically, how did we get from somebody like, somebody like James at the reunion screaming at Sandoval,

and everybody else screaming at Sandoval, Lala included, to, you know, we'd like it a lot more if you guys could get along. within like four months. Look, I think that what we're seeing, and I think that what people need to understand is in reality TV, I feel like timelines need to be expedited because they are living in a world where they're on to the next thing, onto the next thing, onto the next thing, for the show's sake, for their career's sake, for their paycheck's sake.

So I think that the rest of the group understands, like, look, this is our reality now. And I also think that the more you're around somebody, regardless of how bad they fucked up you're going to start to find or try to find a way forward because you don't want to hold on to all the negative shit whether that's forgiving him or not I think what you're seeing with a lot of them is you know from la la standpoint I think it's framed by jealousy that's where most of that's coming from I think sheena as well but with the dudes I think they're just like you know what like he fucked up yeah he fucked up really bad but we can't just sit here and say mean shit all the time like it's getting kind of

kind of tired. You don't need to be saying mean shit, though. It's the crossover to, oh, Ariana should be the one to talk to him. Why are the dudes doing that? Like, who gives a shit? You would actually be, if you're a normal person, you don't want Ariana to talk to him because she's just going to scream at him and then the entire mood of the party is going to go way down. So why wouldn't you just leave it at that and just talk to Tom on the side if you want to? You've gotten to a point now where Ariana understands that he has somehow wedged his way back in with the group and people are actually talking to him again. It doesn't mean that. Ariana needs to talk to him. So why are we then

rushing it to bring her into it instead of just letting it happen organically? Because look, she's pissed off that he's back in the group. She's pissed off that people are accepting him back. Eventually, she's going to blow up, but forcing the issue is going to make it that much worse and produce what we saw tonight, which was

Ariana not making a ton of sense when she was screaming in the first time. The second time, you know, we'll get into that a little bit later, but I just don't like the route that they've taken at least at this point. I feel like there's more time. You can let it develop and let it happen organically instead of just forcing the issue i agree but again your problem there is you're using too much logics or yeah and i don't even think it's a reality tv thing i think these people just do that

and they're nuts yeah but that's why we watch the show it's yeah so without further ado let's jump right in we start out with a workout with la la ali and katie and kate and i was actually frustrated at this scene because we find out that lala invited sandoval to the water sommelier event the water tasting and that was it. We cut away. And I was like, well, I want to see the reactions here. Like, we can't just cut away immediately. Katie was about to say something, but whatever.

We jumped to Ariana with Ann, and we find out that Ann is interviewing, I guess it's like a soft interview, like a first interview of many interviews in this process, because she sits down with Ariana. She wants to be her assistant because she's tired of picking up Sandival's boxers and socks and all of that nonsense, which makes sense. But Ariana says, like, maybe down the road, it's not the right time. And meanwhile, Sandoval is eavesdropping at the top of the stairs. Yeah, I don't really understand this move by Ariana at all because the damage is already done. Right. You are interviewing his current assistant in his house while he's in the house. Right. None of that really makes

sense if your turn is to say, well, you know what, maybe down the line when I'm out of the house, then you can be my assistant. You're already doing this. Like, don't soften it a little bit more and say, well, the timing's not right. You know, I don't want him to be petty and freak out. He's already going to be petty and freak out because he knows what's going on and he can hear the interview. He's going to go and take it out on Ann, which apparently he did, and he's going to take it out on you in some way because he feels like you're stealing his assistant. I agree with that, but I also think that this is not cool of Ariana to put Anne in this position. Like, if you're going to have this interview...

I think Anne volunteered last week, though. She did. I'm not saying that this conversation can't happen. Yeah. I'm saying if you're going to do this for Anne's sake, go to a coffee shop. Get out of the house and like, yeah, Tom shouldn't have been eavesdropping like a creep above the stairs. But at the same time, like they're both in the same house. You're having this conversation about poaching his assistant.

Whether she's happy or not, it is his assistant. It's going to put her in a shitty spot. Like, go conduct the interview elsewhere, especially if the end game here is, we'll discuss this down the road. And also, while Tom's up there working out, maybe go back upstairs and clean out some shit from your room. For the love of God, just go up there and get all the food and weird shit that you have up there and throw it out. Oh, boy, we're going to get into that in a little bit. But moving on from there, we get Tom and Shina and Brock at Shina and Brock's awesome, awesome house. And Tom has another plant.

He walked in with another plant. You did. I love it. And I'm back to loving it. You are? Yeah. You're on his roller. I know.

You heard me laughing when I saw it. So I'm back to loving it. So in this scene, the only thing that we need to talk about is Schwartz's biological clock is ticking. It sure is. You think he knows what that means? Nope. He has no idea. No.

I had a buddy in college when I was working in Pocono that came in one day and he just said, man, I think I'm just going to get my tubes tied. That's how that works. Dead serious. Anatomy 101, baby. But moving on, we get Ariana and Katie, and they're kind of recapping. the end thing, I didn't realize that she would been crying after this. I guess Sandoval asked her to take her Yeah, where are the cameras off? I don't know. I don't know. It's a reality

TV show. That would be a pretty pivotal moment. The way this episode started off, kind of pissed me off. We go from them working out, not getting Katie's actual reaction, not getting the rest of the crew's reaction to Sandoval going to the pizza party. And now we've got this. Like, why, you were just in the room, the cameras were filming. Don't you want to see if maybe Tom says something? You know he was eavesdropping upstairs. Don't you want to see what he says to Ann afterwards?

Yeah, but then that would make him look like a bad guy. And that doesn't fit the art of the season. That's exactly what I was thinking. That's exactly what it is. It's not on the agenda for the season to make Tom look bad. This is his redemption time. Yep, that's exactly what happened. It's such bullshit. I know it is.

If you watch him make that girl cry, everybody's going to be like, oh, fuck Tom. You're going to, yeah, you're going to remember that he's a piece of shit. And I think that that's what's the most important thing to remember, especially as we recap this episode. This is not Ariane's best showing, all right? And we're going to discuss it. We're going to be honest about it. But none of this excuses Tom Sandoval. Like, he is still a big piece of shit.

We need to remember that. And again, had he not gone on this press tour after the season, he would be in much better shape right now. But he's an idiot. Can't control himself and came out here way too hot. And he's just burning every bridge he began to rebuild. But regardless, that's the first thing I thought when I heard that she was crying and we didn't see it on camera.

I'm like, wow, they're really trying to drive this. home especially for this episode because we get such a volatile Ariana on the flip side you're seeing Tom like tuck his tail between his legs and we don't see a scene where he made an assistant cry like very very different things that were being shown intentionally and like people have said in the comments like what do you mean like there's no redemption arcas like if you can't see what they're trying to do here man like it's fucking annoying but regardless ariana and katie start talking about sheena tracking max and we've discussed this a little bit how bizarre it is that she how many 52 just 56 locations like yeah katie should feel a type of way

about it yeah you fucked schwartz's best friend but at the same time sheena's a psycho you can't have 56 nobody knows that this happened if sheena isn't a psycho right right and then she blames brock and you know sheena would have spilled the beans like that was she was just putting that in her back pocket she's not mad that brock says something she's not refreshing her locations every hour or every 10 minutes at night and then the next morning if she's not going to tell somebody eventually. Thank you.

And she like says that the reason behind it was, I just wanted to make sure he got home safe. No, you didn't. Not after you saw that he wasn't home. She wasn't doing that anyway. She saw Katie and Max vibing and she's like, ooh, I wonder if they went home together. Yeah, that's true.

I forgot about that part. Yeah. And then check the next morning. And then she tells the group, like, I just want to make sure he got home safe. Like, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. No, you didn't.

Also, why? Why does he have to get home safe? I don't know. I don't know. Whatever. It's fucking weird. But Katie, talking about Max, says she doesn't feel bad. And I said this last week.

Like, is it a fucked up move? Sure. It is. But at the same time, no. She really shouldn't feel bad because of what we see later when she's going over Schwartz's infidelities. Like, he was unfaithful throughout their marriage. He may not a point.

He says that he's just a makeout slot. We don't know we weren't there. But at the same time, you were unfaithful consistently. So if she wants to, like, get back at you a little bit, especially after hearing that she made out with Sheena and lied about it for 10 years. And she bangs your best friend, who, by the way, if Max is a party to this, he's not your best friend. Yeah, it's way more on Max than it is like, Katie. I agree on that.

Yeah, 100%. But we find out that Sandoval is getting invited to this water tasting, this Somalié event, this very high society water tasting. It's a party. It's a Somali. Uh-huh. And Ariana does make a comment where she's like, you know, Lala's on this weird journey where she's trying. to heal and understand Sandoval. And I actually thought that her response here was pretty good because she goes,

you know what, Lala's my friend. I'm going to go support her, one, and two, I've never been to a water tasting. I'm curious. I want to go try this out. So she was not geared up for a fight. She was actually fairly understanding to the whole situation and just kind of accepted, like, yeah, I can go to this. It'll be fine.

It was not fine. But I thought she handled herself well before the whole thing. And now we've got sober curious and water curious. I wonder how many more curiosities we're going to see. Did someone say water curious? Oh, I guess. She's curious about water. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Fair. I don't know. I guess we'll start keeping track of that. Yeah. Curiosities.

All the curiosity. All the reality. Curiality. Nope. Nope. Nope. Don't do it. You don't have to.

What the fuck was that? I was going to say something. I got stuck and I sounded like Scooby-Doo. Oh, boy. This is what happens when we record late. Oh. But we get to James and Allie's house. They're hosting the water event, and we get to meet Martin.

Martin's a treat. And I guess Martin has been on TV for this. He's fairly well known for being the water guy. Sure. And he's got a great accent. And I was so pumped to hear it because it reminded me of Simon, who I'm getting excited to see on Martha's Vineyard, which this is what we need to do.

And I keep forgetting. I need to plug that show on other shows. If you're not watching Summer House Martha's Vineyard, do yourself a favor because it's a great show. No, they don't pay us to say that. We just really love it. go check it out but back to vpr everybody gets there brock apologizes to katie and she actually takes it pretty well she says you know if this is payback for me talking shit about brock and his

kids in australia which we still don't have an answer for and i'm still not comfortable with that and i feel like i forget about it and that gets brought up and i'm like what happened because for all intents and purposes he seems like a good dad when you see the scenes with him and his daughter, right? And I follow him on Instagram, and he was, he does stuff with summer all that, like, they seem, he seems to be a good dad. So then I'm like, what the fuck, dude, you have two kids in Australia? Have we talked to them? Can we get an update? Please. I know, I don't think we were doing the podcast by this point. Were we in 2021? I do. No, probably not, right? I have no idea. May will be, may will be two years. So no, 2020 is only stuff. Yeah, so we missed out

on that, but I think you and I talked about that. We did. Just on our own, you know, pretty, a little pre-podcast action. This, we actually watched Bravo before the podcast, everybody. Yeah, everybody. Stop calling us out for that. Oh, they do, I guess. Yeah, they guys don't even watch it. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did.

But I remember us talking about that saying, well, look, if you don't want to be on the show and you don't want people to know your dirty business, then sure, all right, whatever. But now he's so much on this show, you got to bring that back up. Somebody needs to bring it back up, especially if you catch him yelling at Sheena in public. Which he does. I know. Almost every episode. So seriously, there's a lot of opportunities to show that Brock is actually a piece of shit and make sure that we know, hey, this is what happened back in Australia, bud.

We just need to figure it out. Like, I need to know. Something. Some kind of progress has he, we got something last year, the year prior where he said he's in the process of figuring out how to see them again or talking to them again. We need to know. And it is not too personal because you're on the reality show and you're a mainstay now, apparently. So, like, let's get some info here, people. But we get a quick cut of a plane flying over.

Thank God. So we need to know that they live by the Burbank Airport. So the plane flies over and Martin goes into a spiel and they're drinking dinosaur piss, which is pretty cool. It's pretty cool. If you had a chance to drink dinosaur pee, would you? We're breathing the same air that dinosaurs breathed. Isn't that enough?

We're all made of stardust, too. Yeah, isn't that enough? What the fuck did you just call me? I thought that was a Sean moment. God. It feels weird coming out. Every time I say it, and I only say it, like, once a month, but every time I say it... He's got butterflies in my stomach.

You did? You like hearing that? They're not a little bit, yeah. It's one of my biggest, biggest successes in life is that you are known by way more people, like significantly more people in this world as Shooter McGuder than you are as Sean Morrison. Yeah, I know. I don't even think they know your last name. I just outed your last name for the first time ever.

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Welcome to Night Vale is available wherever you get your podcasts. They break out the $1,000 bottle of water, and I can't imagine spending $1,000 on a bottle of water. This is after the cum water. Yeah. Because we need to... What was going on with that one? I guess this really...

It really wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. You were more entertained than you thought you were going to be. Cumb water really got me going. Well, I mean, he shook it up and it just turned white and it just tasted like cum. Somebody said it tasted like seawater. He said it was on a show, and he's like, they pointed out pretty quickly. This tastes like, beep. Yeah.

He said cum. Yeah, that's absolutely what he said. But, yeah, breaking out the $1,000 bottle of water, why anybody would ever do that? I don't know. How many are there in the world? Who knows? Martin should know that. Martin should know that.

That's a big one. If you know that there's only one currently in the United States, which could be bullshit because he opens it right away and he's like, look at me. He seemed very gung-ho about a $1,000 bottle. Yeah, I mean, you shot the cork all the way across the yard. You could have gotten that, too, if you're going to have that bottle when you want the cork to, I don't know. That was going through my mind.

But, yeah, you shoot that thing out, and then you start dumping it out. taste like water definitely not tap that's what every yeah that's the funniest line because you can tell she is trying to be nice she's like mm this not tap yeah you're correct i was i was very much katy during that entire thing like this is really stupid can we go inside and drink yeah well i enjoyed it you enjoyed it too so it was a funny scene but but that's when the pizza arrives for this pizza party as you want to call it and they forgot the ranch so sandoval and you can tell what he's doing and ariana was right like he is doing the most intentionally where he's like He walks in that room intentionally.

He walks across the room intentionally. Then he's like, oh, I'll be the hero and run after it because I'm a good guy now. And he runs out of the house. He's extra loud about it. Hey, man, that is exactly what he's doing. He's not trying to be the good guy. He is trying to do the most. But he walks back in, and Arian is talking shit openly about him.

Calling him out for what he's doing, that's fully in line. Yeah. Because we all know what he's doing. If you want to call him out for what he's doing, you can do it loud enough so that he can hear it so that you know. and he knows what you're talking about. That's entirely fine. I didn't have any issues with that. And when he comes back in, he's like,

no, I just have to deal with, like, walking past her while her and all of her friends are just talking about me. He's like, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. You're a piece of shit. Of course you do. You shouldn't be there. You should be hiding outside with your tail between your legs

and just happy that nobody's yelling at you in this moment. And I think that's the biggest thing to take away from what Sandoval should be doing is, yeah, just be in the background. And also, it doesn't really matter because Bravo can do whatever the hell they want. want with all these edits in the production of making him look like a victim. Yeah, that's true. He's going to shoot himself in the foot eventually.

But I'm waiting for it. And, I mean, yeah, it's going to happen. Maybe not on the show, but off the show in real time. He already has a million times. And they're still going through with this. So it's just stupid. It's bizarre. But after they find out Anne was sent home, they start asking, well, like, when she's not

there, who's going to mediate this whole thing? Who's talking to who? And we get a quick cut to Katie and Schwartz. And I want to talk about this because these two still love each other. And it's such a bummer that he's such a shitty partner because when they're... What do you think about his shirt? Did I... It's not the worst thing I've ever seen.

You know what he looked like? Oh, man. Yeah. Green shirt, white collar. Fuck. Yeah. Oh, no. I can...

Seasonal. Oh, no. it's on the tip of my tongue what buddy the elf damn it that's exactly what he looked like yep that was an elf shirt that was an elf shirt but it's not the worst thing I've ever seen I thought but it's it's it's fun well it's L.A. bro but like yeah or are the socks and slides with that outfit also L.A. bro or is that just

probably no how do you know it's just not nobody it's nobody you are a outspoken L.A. hater and you're not going to accept that that could be an L.A. look Absolutely not. Fashion. He's lazy. F-A. That's a lazy move.

Well, yeah, we know he's lazy. I know. I'm saying the shirt can be L.A., but the slides and socks. No. And they're also like the Jesus sandals, like the Birkenstock. No, they were straight up like Nike slides. Oh, they were slide slides? I didn't notice that.

I thought they were Birkenstocks. That's my bad. Okay. All right. Bergenstocks with socks also, if you're listening. Horrible. Don't fucking do that. Please don't care where the hell you're from.

Don't do that. L.A., Colorado. New Hampshire, doesn't matter. but they seem to have a weird good moment based on the max thing like they go back and forth a little bit because you know schwartz does feel scorn because it was his best friend katie claps back because she has every right to because of everything that tom put her through but they seem to reach some kind of peace here more so than we've seen because we've seen them be okay with each other but it's still slightly contentious yep this is the first time where they're both kind of

smiling through it they're just like yeah this is where we are now and like hey you can can tell there's still love there. And I think Katie would even admit that they're still love there. But because Schwartz is incapable of giving her what she needs, it's just a lost cause. Yeah, it's definitely a lost cause. But yeah, this was the first time that Schwart, you could tell, Schwartz was cracking a really corny, dumb joke. Katie almost laughed at it. There's still a lot there. Yeah. I think they should get back together. I do too. Just do it. It would make me happy. Come on. No, no. She should. His biological clock is tick. It is. But she should. It is. But She doesn't need to put up with his shit anymore because he hasn't changed.

No, he hasn't changed because he does this whole, um, wo is me thing. And then you remember when he's able to do math in his head like that on at the beach, like he's a smart guy, dude. Like this whole thing is pretty dumb shit. They were both dumb looking outfits together. You know what I'm saying.

I know they were just, they would be together. If Schwartz wasn't so shitty at being a boyfriend, husband, partner. Yeah. She does not need him anymore. I think like five years down the road, if they're still both single, there's a chance. I'm okay with that.

So you're saying there's a chance. I want there to be a chance, but he needs to be better. And he's not. I don't think he's there yet. He'll just get a little older, you know. Time will tell. Vanderpump, season 30. We'll check in with everybody.

But that's when they're on the Valley, actually. The Valley's the top of Bravo show. Oh, my God. The Valley's number one, reigns supreme across all networks. and you get Katie and Schwartz moving into a big buy the house they sold there we go and get back together and then they branch off to when they're all like grandparents and now you've got what do you call it then i don't know the valley retirement home there we go there we go jacks wears a crown in every episode because he's the king of bravo yeah this is just it's all

coming together yeah we figured it out but this is where shit hits the fan it really gets heated because Arian is talking about the dog situation. And she refers to Sandoval as an attempted dog murderer. And she goes on and on about how he left the locked her in the room and she ate all of these nasty things that were in her takeout container. And she's putting all of the blame on him and saying that he is so neglectful and locked her in there that he was attempting to kill the dog.

I think we can both agree here. Should Sandoval have been in her room? Nope. Shouldn't have been in there. Should you have shut the door with a dog in there? Probably not. If you are a dog owner and you know your dog still gets into shit, throw your fucking trash away, especially if it is sitting on your bedside table.

Yeah, especially if you're living in your bedroom with all those boxes already. It's just a really bad look. And I will say about this conversation, if you want to call it that, this was really just, ariana is furious about that whole thing. Yep. And never actually got to take it out on him directly. That's a good point. So this wasn't one of those, like he was just passing by and she's just randomly talking shit.

She wanted to get under his skin. She wanted him to react so that she could react this way. And she starts yelling and she's saying, you have no respect for the house, you're callous, and you left the door open and you have no regard for the animals. Everything. Everything. And then he tries to clap back a little bit or defend himself or whatever. the fuck he was doing and she i mean jesus christ like 2 11 she turns that bitch past 10 she goes to

11 and starts screaming get the fuck away from me never look me in the i'm calling 9-1-1 yeah what are you gonna say that's what you lost me my ex is in the house with all of our other friends and he's talking and you're not going to find a lot of booze here but you're going to find a lot of water there's a lot of water here one of them tastes like come yeah so come try some water and then arrest my ex ex-boyfriend. It's this fine line where I'm not telling her how to feel or act because that's nobody's business and she got fucked over in this whole thing. But she's also very, very, very, very intelligent.

She's a very smart woman. So in this moment, it surprised me, I guess, more than anything, that she didn't keep her cool more and that it escalated to the point it did. But maybe that's because there has been no communication. Not only that, and now that I'm just thinking about it, they have Ann running buffer. Yeah. So they don't even see each other. Right.

So this is really the first time that one in the same room. Well, no, last week they were in the same bar. Yeah, bar is a little different. Now this is everybody who knows what's going on and has been there the entire time. So it is a little different. And again, like, even in your own house, like, yes, you can say you live cordially amongst each other, but you don't ever see each other because you've got Ann running in saying, all right, he's in the workout room.

You can come downstairs. You have to go back upstairs now. He's coming back down. So you never actually see each other. Now you're seeing him and you've got. people around you that you think are going to defend you and help you and protect you so she just goes off and i think once she opened that floodgate it just all started coming out and look i understand it to a certain extent but the call nine one one what do you do it's too much

it's way too much it shouldn't even be and then she keeps hammering down like the attempted dog you tried to murder my dog it's like bro even lala goes to a confession i know lala's her own agenda that there that's my problem with lala is she tries to be so shady and she throws out the that you have a trash bag commercial and she's going to do this and that and whatever do it there do it there do it there if you're going to do this behind her back you need to be able to do it on camera i know what you're doing you're doing it for the show you want to drive at home you want to take sand of all side because you want it to be a little more dramatic whatever you know what would really help is if you set it there because then everybody gets involved

if you speak up then schwartz is going to come in and speak up and then katie's going to speak up and then it comes all the way back around and everybody's yelling at each other that would be fun because then everybody can get it off their chest. Yeah, but everybody in the group, everybody in the group is so afraid that she's going to cut them out that they don't say anything. We can't do this

every week. One, people aren't going to watch it. I told you at the end of this episode. I'm like, I'm over this. It's too much now. Like, we get it. These two can't be in the same room together. Scandavall happened. We understand that the group's reeling from it. We need to have some kind of movement forward. And if that means that

these two don't film scenes together anymore, fine. That's fine. I think at this point we know that Ariana is probably not coming back next year. No, there's no way. There's just no way. It fits into the circle. So whatever, just abandon ship. Who cares anymore?

Yeah, it's not pushing the needle anymore. It's no longer fun. But I need to ask you this. Do you think that a lot of the attempted dog murder narrative and the fact that she says it 15 times, is that a guilty conscience? And she's trying to absolve herself by putting all the blame? on Tom? Or does she actually believe that she has no wrong here? Like, I'm not saying that Tom's not in the wrong for locking the dog in the room, but like, she left the shit on

the table. Yeah, no, I think that she's blaming Tom 100%. You don't think she has any remorse for this at all. I don't think that's bullshit. Yeah. You know what? Like, I don't think that's okay. You left the shit out. Yep. Your dog ate skewers and some fucked up chicken because you let it out. The way that she phrased it to, it sounded like it was just trash, like it was just the box with the skewers in there. But the dog's not going to just eat a stick. No. Well, it's got the sauce on it. Yeah, maybe lick the stick or something. I don't know.

That's not true. My dog, not Louis, but my old dog Riggs used to eat the dumbest shit, bro. I pulled out. I'm not kidding. I pulled out. I picked up his shit one day. There was just the bottom part of a light bulb. You know, the metal part, the rest was gone.

It was just that. And then there was another time I got home from a road trip when I was playing baseball. Ohio State. Here's a little fun dog, dogster for y'all. I got rigs for $175 outside of Columbus in Quaker City, Ohio. I went with Civic. He came with me. Picked him up from a trailer park in the middle of nowhere for $175.

Great dog. But I came home from a road trip, and my roommate had left him in his kennel for like a few hours. The night before my roommate had given him a T-bone to chew on, which I said was okay. I get back and I look at his kennel. He's not in there. He figured away out of his kennel, and there is shit. everywhere like spray diarrhea and i'm like oh my god like riggs is a great story for a podcast he comes flying down the stairs like a bat out of hell and he's only about yay big you're not watching he's

he's a puppy he comes sprinting down the stairs and at some point he had chewed up my carpet and this is almost tmi but i'm just going to tell the fucking story so he runs by me and there's strands of carpet hanging out of him all right and i'm like oh my god dude what's going on so open the door he runs outside and he's trying to go to the bathroom he can't i get a plastic bag and grab the strands and pull the fucking t-bone got lodged and it literally goes like that and fires out and he walks he gets done his business and he walks by me literally looks up at me walks into the house falls down on the carpet and slept for like nine hours and i've never felt like a worst person in my life oh my god dude yeah okay so dogs do eat stupid shit yeah fair enough

Yeah, I don't think going back to what we're talking about. I just need an excuse to tell that story. That's fair. I don't think that Arianna is taking any blame on this. I think that she thinks it's completely fine that she had that stuff sitting out on her table. I don't really know what else she's really thinking, but she's blaming Tom entirely. I can't stop thinking about that story. Please move on.

Yeah, I know. I told you. But the scene ends with Schwartz walking in. And everyone's, and everyone's. and everyone's cool with Schwartz now. Like, he has taken accountability somewhat, but he's worked his way back into the group. He's not the one that cheated.

I mean, he didn't cheat on Ariana. I guess he didn't cheat on Haryana. I guess he didn't cheat on Katie. But she looks at him, and this is where I get frustrated with it. Because she looks at him, she's like, now I'm mad at you by association. Like, get out of here and cast him out. And it's like, you don't get to dictate the whole group. I get if you want to lay down some guidelines about Sandoval.

Schwartz is not under fire anymore. let's let him go and when you do that like i do feel like she thinks she's the head of the group yeah that move specifically tells me that she does feel like she can dictate whatever anybody else is doing because as soon as someone else starts talking she's just not listening to them schwartz walks in she does that if you were and what we just talked about if you were just so you had so much built up rage against tom sandoval and you've let it out against him then it would still be about him and you would be trying to, you know, rev it down a little bit, but you'd still be just yelling about him. Schwartz comes in and now it's about Schwartz. Now you're just

angry in general. So that's way different than just focusing everything at Sandoval and kicking him out. You're bringing him in. That tells me, yeah, you think that you can just cast anybody away. You can tell people what to think. You can get mad at them and cut them off. And everybody's just going to be like, all right, yeah, she's right because of what's been going on. And I think there is a level of, and I'm not going to La La La's level, but I do think that there is a level of she got so much after that. She got so many promotions or so many promotional deals, whatever. She got the Chicago thing. She got Dancing with the Stars. She's living on this. Love Island. She's the host of out now. But in this moment, all of these things are coming to her because of what she

went through. So I think there is a little bit of I'm better than you. Do you think? I think there has to be. Like a slight air. What normal person would go through all of that and then get everything in their wildest dreams and then come back to this show to the people that were screaming at your boyfriend of, you know, at the reunion and yelling at him, why wouldn't you come back and think that you can dictate everything? Yeah, and I think that there's like a level to it where it's, I don't think that she's wrong for having these feelings. No.

Like you said, I also don't really think she cares that much. I don't think she does either. Yeah. And I think that in that moment, yeah, if this was just. She does care about Katie. but if this was all just the floodgates finally opened and you went way overboard because you've been waiting to say this or you didn't ever want to get to this point and now the dog's loose and you're just fucking screaming okay fine i can not i can move past what happened in that house and chalk it up to she's been going through a lot has not had a chance to like vent at all that's what happened fine but i think what you're seeing she she's outgrown the show she's no longer a part of the show and it's it's better for that like she needs to go on and do her thing because she's doing amazing things and we're all happy for no one's faulting her for having this great success after she got royally royally fucked like we remember scandal no one's taking his side he's a piece of shit we get it i just feel like there's it doesn't work anymore with both of them on the show and she has other opportunities and i think that there is one an air of i'm slightly better than and two i don't need to be here anymore yeah and i don't think that she's ever going to understand where other people are coming from when they say

you guys need to have some sort of conversation about how your house is being run about being back in the group and not talking to each other not aggravating each other because as soon as you start that conversation with her she deems that as oh you're taking tom side yeah and i get it like it's only a couple of months removed so you're still in a fragile state and you're already watching him ingratiate himself back into the group with certain people and people are coming to you talking about Tom. So as soon as somebody starts that conversation, even if their intentions are pure, even if their intentions are for the show so that we can move on or just the friend group that

wants to just live somewhat copesthetically, she's going to identify that as, oh, you're taking Tom's side and you're coming against me. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah. Look, it's very, it's tough to analyze, honestly. It is really tough. Just because I don't fault her for it. But when you watch the scenes, you're like, that's too much.

But then you remember, like, it's only four months away. And in any normal scenario, in real life. Probably like six months now, but whatever. But regardless, like, in real life, you would never be in this situation. Yes. You wouldn't have to hang out with the guys. So, like, it's this weird middle ground that's really difficult to tread both sides of. But whatever, we move on and we get Sheena and Brock at their house.

And the big thing to take away from here is Brock is pretty much fully Sandoval, team Sandoval right now. Because he's like, she needs to grow up and be able to have an adult conversation. They're both adults. the fact that she went off like that last night was crazy thank god sheena said it because we all said it at home oh you think that's english yeah still english right crykey i don't think that was english that those last two were not no there you go no that's better i'm back but i'm glad sheena pointed out because i immediately thought it dev who was watching with us said it like brock's saying this like who the fuck are you to say this class

house like you are the most reactionary person we've seen to your wife you fought in a clothing store and yelled at her in front of the people that worked there yes you don't get to do this someone who didn't cheat on you on a grand scale right yeah you don't get to be the one that says they need to grow up and figure out a way through this you should just be the thing is when he has one-on-ones he makes a lot of sense with everybody but sheena right totally he's calm he has good points just do that don't go behind the scenes and point fingers when you yourself are guilty of all the things you're blaming other people for. It's a really shitty look and kind of his MO at this point, but...

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Sheena says something that is also true. She goes, Scandival is the best thing that ever happened to Ariana for a lot of reasons. One, you found out who Tom Sandval really was. Yeah, in a very, very difficult way, but you saw who he really is, so you didn't have to spend the rest of your life with this guy. Two, you have every brand deal out there right now. We watched the show tonight. There was a big commercial that she was in.

Yep. Like, you got everything you wanted. and I think that what they're trying to find their way through here is, wouldn't it be better for you to find some peace and just be able to move past this and, like, enjoy everything that you have in your life? But on the flip side, she wouldn't be in this situation if she wasn't on this show. She would be able to move forward. You wouldn't see these scenes.

This shit wouldn't be happening. She would be onto a better life, which I think she is. That's the, what I take away from it is mentally, she is there. But she is forced to come back to this show. and relive this shit and she is past it and that's why her reactions are so reactionary because she's like fuck why am I back here right now? Why am I going

through this shit again when I have all these other great things happening and now I have to come back here and listen to all these idiots talk about how I should be having a conversation with this guy that fucked me over I have to come back here and pretend to film these scenes with him when I'm fucking miserable and everyone's forcing this shit on me and I don't want to fucking do it anymore

like that's the vibe I get that sums it up for me yeah I think that was that felt really poignant. I like that. It just kind of flowed. Thanks, man. You didn't get mad about it either. Yeah, well, it's not, I'm not mad. Like, that's the thing. Like, I've said multiple times, like, she's allowed to react the way she's reacting.

It's just tough to watch because of the way that's getting framed. And it's intentional on Bravo's part to make her look like the asshole. And then I guarantee you, after this episode comes out, people are in a comment, like, I can't believe you're still sticking up for Ariana. People that cannot separate the two things and understand that it's

only at most half a year. That's not enough. She's threatened to call the cops. on him. Yeah. How dare we? Yeah. Did she overreact? Yes.

Is it understandable? Yes. Yeah. Not fun to watch. No. Bravo knows that. They're doing it on purpose. Regardless.

The last thing we need to talk about, because we get that one scene with Ariana and Lucinda, who's a friend of the show. But they're just inventorying the house to give Sandival a counteroffer, but we just need to get to Beach Day. Yes. Because it's redemption beach day, according to Schwartz. It's not going to go well. I thought it was funny as shit when James draw. the line in the sand. We've seen that scene a hundred times in the previews, but he

literally draws a line in the sand. And this is the part that I hope viewers are like understanding and seeing. Every time Ariana's anywhere near him, he brings up either T, the girl that he was seeing that Ariana tried to warn, or he brings up that he's going to a singles event. He always throws this shit out there intentionally. That's such a weird move. He's taking jabs. He is taking jabs but again the way it's being shown is that he's trying to sit to the side and talk to the guys and he's talking about a singles night and this and that this is where the group fucks up because the group ramps it up by calling it out and saying things louder and now people get involved that shouldn't be involved and the prime example of that is they bring up sheena and

Schwartz and it was kind of light like that was what i was loving about this scene is the banter between katy and Schwartz because they're now taking digs at each other while smiling that's fun Yeah. Because they both fucked up a little bit now. Like, obviously Schwartz is way more in the wrong. But he has a leg to stand on a little bit because she point his best friend. So now they can just joke about it. It's fun.

To a certain extent. And then, of course, Sanival's getting involved. And look, Katie brought him into it. Katie said, did you know? And he said that he didn't know even though Schwartz said that he did know. And that's fine because we can move on from that, right? No. Brock has to throw out there.

Brock, the one that says they need to be more grown up, though. You need to be grown up. No, let me throw out a joke and just see what happens. And again, we must be on the exact same spot of the beach as we were last year when Schwartz brought up the Raquel. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Rachella. Rachella, yeah. When he chose to Raquel.

He brings that up in the same spot in the beach. You got to do this now. Like, no, we don't have to do this right now. You just had a conversation with your wife where you were saying that they need to be adults. So what do you do? You throw in a childish show. You throw in a really dumb childish show. It just doesn't make any sense.

Like, how do you do that? How do you go from that to that in such a short time? Like, that was just before the beach. Yep. What, you're having fun with the boys now? You get to throw some jokes out there. Yep. You know what's going to happen.

That's a live grenade that you're just tossing out there. Sandoval didn't even want to answer it. No. He didn't want to even, like, come close to talk. He says that's the lowest hanging fruit, dude. Let's not do this right now. And it's too late. It's too late because now Ariana.

It doesn't matter because now Ariana's in. Aged, Ariana is going to speak up, again, rightfully so. And she says, what we're all thinking. Why do we have, why do I have to be here when all you're going to do is just talk about this and talk about this and talk about this? Can't we just leave it alone? And that's how I, that's exactly how I feel. And that's where I don't understand where you're coming from when you're trying to talk

about, especially with Brock, talking to him at the pizza party saying, hey, you know, you got to sit down and be able to talk to her about this and have a civil conversation so you guys can move on and figure this thing out. And then everyone else is trying to do the same thing. like, oh, yeah, we need, for the better of the group, for the better of the show, we need to be able to have the two of you at least be cordial to each other,

at least be able to be in the same room together. This isn't the way to go about that. Are you idiots? Or are you doing this for the show? That's where I battle with that thing. I go back and forth on it all the time. It just doesn't make any sense. You cannot complain, and I know Lala's not there yet,

and Lala's the one who's complaining immediately, but you cannot complain about Ariana's reaction when you throw something out there like that. No, and it ends. with Brock defending Sandvall saying he is taking it on the chin like he's over here with his tail between his legs he left he is trying to mend

whatever he can with this group and you're constantly forcing him out of the group and again it's this weird middle ground and the show does it intentionally where you're watching it and going man she really can't let this go and she just fucked up the beach day and it's like well she keeps getting put in these shitty spots and then she goes

on this rant about how Tom needs to hear it from the dudes like you guys need to tell him to shut the fuck up And, yeah, like, that's the thing, I guess, that gets glossed over in the first, however many episodes, is you go back to the heart to hearts that he had with the guys. There's never been one where one dude has just fucking went off and said, look, motherfucker, this is everything that you did. Every time that he has these conversations, he plays the victim, he says that people don't understand, and then they let up on the gondola ride. Brock started to go in on him. Then they have a fucking kumbaya at the top of the mountain.

And still with Tom saying, but, or sorry, Brock is like, but I know you got feelings, man. I know you got feelings. Like, no, she's right, but it comes off as brash and annoying because they're setting it up this way. And it's like a lose, lose for everybody involved because there's people that are going to see Sandoval on the beach with his tail between his legs and say, oh, man, she can't give him a fucking break. It's like, no, she really shouldn't have to. But at the same time, she looks like shit because she's repeating the same thing over and over again. stop talking to me, stop talking to me, stop talking to me,

elevating her the voice, getting louder and louder. She looks crazy, even though she's not. It's just a lose lose. And she says, why do you guys keep forcing this shit? Granted, she's the one that texted Katie and said, fuck that asshole like I'm going, but

there's no way through this. There's not a fun way through this. There's not a reconciliation that's going to happen. If I got cheated on like this, I would never talk to my ex. No. I wouldn't look at her. So that's the thing that is the hardest to keep in the back of your mind watching this show, but the most important just to kind of properly analyze what's happening

because it's very difficult at some junctures because of what we're seeing. My head's a pretzel. Pretzel? Yeah, but not a pretzel. It's like a wawa that's like a typical shaped pretzel. No, like a wawa pretzel. The one not in the middle. It's not crazy twisted.

It's just a little twisted. I would argue that those are more twisted. You think? No, because there's only one. Typical ones, because there's like holes and stuff in there. It's got some, like, a good pattern to it. When you get a wah-wad, it just kind of goes up, like, loops up there, and then it's just a bow-tie in the middle. I feel like that's a tighter knot.

Maybe. I don't know. Regardless, regardless, regardless, it's tough. I don't know. know. Like, Ariana's not wrong. It just, she looks like shit because Tom's playing like

the sad puppy dog, but just watch his press tour. If anybody has any sympathy for this man, go back and listen to the vile files. Go back and listen to that podcast he did with Billy Lee. Like, he has not taken any accountability. He hasn't changed at all. So, yeah, the show is trying to push you one way,

but don't forget what's going on here. That's all I can say, really, I guess. That's fair. So we do questions now? Let's do some questions. All right, first up here from Ketura underscore M. What do you guys think of Sheena saying that Sandoval has flirted with her before? I'm sure she probably has. That wasn't like astounding news to me.

Yeah. I mean, they've been friends for a very long time on a show. Like, if you think about the early days of VPR, everybody flirted with everybody. So that wasn't like a bomb being dropped, I didn't think. But the way he said it was that she always. always flirted with him. I guarantee he was flirting with her too, but that, I didn't think, I thought that was a whatever comment.

From Leanna B. 8, what would you have done as men in the beach situation, spoke up or not? A shooter can tell you, I have a problem with keeping my mouth shut in situations to a fault, so I would have said something, but I, yeah, that's a double-edged sword for me. I would have been in the ocean, probably. Yeah, shooter.

Shooter would have been, when things escalate, shooter will say very loudly, this is dumb and walk away and go have fun. And that's where he meets other people. And he brings like five or six people I've never met back. And he's like, hey, he's a guy. We're going to play some spike ball. You guys using this? Yeah.

You brought it. Okay. Yeah, we're going to go play some spike balls. I would probably say something. From Emily Perillo. We're going to get this question a lot. Do you think Ariana is returning if there is another season? season.

No. I don't think she should for her own mental health and well-being, and she has so much more going on that she doesn't, she has outgrown Banderpump. The rest of this cast has not. They need it. She doesn't. Yeah, I agree with that. Where would you put it like percentage-wise? That she comes back.

That she comes back? Yeah. 15. I was going to say 15, yeah. All right, cool. Same page. Last one here from Suez Grigg-Brown, Shooter and Steel. What color nail polish would you paint your fingernails?

light blue or gray gray yeah like a light gray why that's something i would only do one like if i ever did it i would only do like the ring finger or something i wouldn't go full uh on easter i had my niece paint all of my nails and i had to pick five different colors for each finger nice it's fitting you know easter lots of different colors yeah lots of different colors yeah poppy's painting my nails a few times but it's always the gel ones you can peel it off really easily yeah yeah yeah i had that's what i had that and you told me not to eat it what did you know oh no it'll stain your cuticles yeah yeah well that will happen that happened to me i have like the corners of my nails were bright orange for like two weeks it looked like i was sick brush that i just kind of washed and brushed it off you

have a nail brush it's not it's for hair wouldn't surprise me you have hair but here's a little my beard there's a little sneak peek behind the scene shooters very big on self care for a guy that shits on sound baths and meditation when it comes to like physical skincare routines and things like that i don't want to look old this is your guy yeah but uh man i hope next week's more fun that was uh hopefully we got it all out i hope so i don't think i don't know i don't think so either i just just stop putting them in the same room together it's not fair and it's not fun yeah i agree you got anything else uh no i'm good all right cool well Bro's are out of here.

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