Bros & Shows - Ashley Goes Over the Edge, Mia Goes Low and Karen Goes to Court (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

What's up Bros? A lot is happening in Potomac... We start at the end of Wendy's party, TJ keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper, and again we ask... What the hell does Stacey see in this guy? Karen gets ready for her court date and it ends up getting postponed. According to her confessional that wasn't the plan, but according to her lawyer on the day of, it was? Ashley and Stacey are prepping to go to mediation in their divorces. The rest of the ladies are doing their best to advise them both to just make sure they are protecting themselves. We get to see the softer side of Gizelle as she opens up to Grace about the passing of her father and how Angel and Adore really stepped up to help her through it. Karen sits down with her daughter Rayvin in one of the more clearly scripted scenes we have seen in awhile. We also have a confession to make... We may have come on a little too strong with Greg... We see a side of him with Keirna this episode that we didn't love, and lets just say we are on high alert moving forward. Ashley goes 'over the edge' as she rappels down the side of a building. But the real action is on the ground where Mia lets Gizelle know that she doesn't appreciate Gizelle questioning her Instagram post with Inc and Gordon and the kids. Seems like a valid question to us but what do we know? She decides to go low with Gizelle and bring up some 'dirt' about Angel and Adore when they were in the Dominican Republic... They were sneaking boys into the house! Can you believe it?!? Teenage girls were sneaking teenage boys into a house! ITS UNHEARD OF! ITS OUTRAGEOUS! IT is a terrible rebuttal from Mia and she had absolutely no place bringing this up. Who cares. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody.

If whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steel Russell. joined as always by the one and only bros and shows Magos. Ah, you've been thinking about that one. No, I just forced it in there because we have to get used to our new name, which is coming soon to a podcast near you. That's how it goes. Sure. Magos.

No, you don't do it. That's how it me goes. You don't do that. Why not? Don't do that. Because it's not, that's my thing. It sounds weird when you do it. It's like giving yourself a nickname, which is a bad look.

Yeah, that is a really bad look. I'm trying to help you. Help me to help you. Help me help you, Jerry McGuire. But we're not here to talk about Jerry McGuire. No, we're not. We're here to talk about Potomac, a little Rop, and it's a good season. I'm enjoying it.

This was another solid episode. There are parts of there are starting to irritate me, pretty much one person, honestly, and her sidekick as well. Oh. Me and Jacqueline. I thought you were going to talk about what we don't talk about. Oh. No, no, no, no.

Nope. Well, there's more information because they went to mediation to tell us that there was no more information until their lawyers settle it or until they go to court if she files. Yeah. Until they acquiesce. Until they acquiesce. Yeah. When Ashley said that, my ear was perked up.

I'm like, where did she heard that? Yeah. Who said that? When she was in the mediation. Who the fuck said that? But yeah, I've been enjoying it. I like this episode, too. And, like, my issues with it are not big enough for me to not like where the show is going.

I think this is such a great comeback season for them to get them. him. Is it the Glory Days of Potomac? No. Is it a good show? Absolutely. And it's in tune with the rest of the show is on right now, except for one. We have stopped recapping, but I think we're going to start recapping again because some assholes going to Europe. We need episodes. I'm not the asshole. Andy Cohen's the asshole for telling us that he's going to stick with the cast. We got to stake with it too. I couldn't believe it when he said that. I know. I know. I don't know if it was on Radio Andy or if it was an interview. He was at the Fan Fest.

But yeah, he is here, Roney's here to stay, guys. So look, hopefully they figure some things out. They implement some new people. I don't know what the move is. There has to be a move. They cannot allow it to continue the way it's continuing. This is not a Roney recap. No, but we're, God damn it, this show haunts us.

We thought we were rid of it and, you know, it's here to stay. But we're here to talk about Potomac. And let's just jump right into this episode because we start with the father's comment. So we got a cliffhanger with a table. headline from Mia. I want the fathers of my children to get along. So where does our brain go? Ink and Gordon. Yeah. The potential father of Jeremiah being Inc. instead of Gordon. That's where everybody's head goes because all we've talked about this whole season is Ink and Gordon. And somebody left a comment, not on our, I forget where I saw it. Somebody's account. I should have

screenshoted it. So I'd give them credit. If this is you, reach out to us and I'll put it out there that you said this because it's a great point she's acting like the two men that she's corralled are like these gems that we should all be envious of who mea was able to snag nobody gives a shit that you got gordon and ink these are not highly touted men that people like oh my god did you see mea got both gordon and ink aka 35 years ago i don't care what like who the fuck knows but my point is these guys are both losers yeah ink is a huge Dork. So that whole part of it is very funny, the way that she kind of like walks around high and

mighty because she's got ink? Great. Is it, I mean, it's probably cool to be able to carry your boyfriend around and a baby Bjorn. Yeah. That's convenient. It's probably really annoying, though, to have to filter and edit all of your pictures to make it seem like he's not as short as he is.

They do pretty much like the same way they shot Lord of the Rings with the Hobbits. He stands about five feet in front of her. She stands about 10 feet back. Well, they do what Tom Cruise does in all of his movies. what they filmed him in the foreground so he looks tall and just the same as everybody else i didn't know he was that short i didn't know he's a short guy i know he's a short guy six i know there's a lot of short people in hollywood i just know if he was one of them like tom cruz they do that with a lot i just said tom cruise you said tom hanks cruise he said hanks no tom hanks is tall that's what i thought

yeah i hear oh god i'm really tired it's the second episode too it's a second episode i could have sworn i heard hanks i'll roll the tape back i've been wrong about things in the past that thought i heard so i'm going to take your word on this one yeah Tom Cruise, I knew they did that way. They also used soapboxes or apple boxes with him, too, because he cannot look short. No. Because that would be against Scientology. Right?

Correct. Yeah. All hair. You know, who's a Scientologist? Brittany. No, fuck. God damn it. No.

It's fucking, what's her nuts? Minkoff. Rebecca Minkoff. Becky. Becky. Remember the first episode where we were like, oh, Becky, that's going to be easier to remember. We don't have to talk about her. She's never on.

Oh, shut up. We're not doing this. God damn, we're stuck in Roney. The Potomac episode. We're talking about the fathers, okay? But it's not Inc. And Gordon, as we had previously thought, she, this is what's so annoying with Mia. And more and more so, like, everything is so overproduced with her, I think, and it's starting to become more and more apparent.

She knew how this would land. And then she goes, well, I was married before. My oldest is with another dad. No one cares. Yeah. Nobody cares about this. this third potential father because he's not part of the storyline.

And all you did was like bait, hook line and synchros with this shit because now we're sitting for a week going, oh my God, is you going to say that ink is confirmed the dad? No. Me is like a producer's wet dream. Yeah. Oh, she said that. I know that she just said that. Let's cut the episode there.

Cliffanger. Perfect. Yeah, it sucks. She knows what she's doing. They know what they're doing and I hate it. And that's, that was my main gripe with me in the first season that we watched together was everything that she thought she was doing was iconic. And she kind of pulled back a little bit on that. She's starting to do that. She still has that personality and it drives me crazy here and there.

I can still see why she's really good for the show. There's certain moments that she does that are like, okay, that's fucking insane. But this is a show. It works. Jacqueline, we'll get to her and Jacqueline seeing a little bit later. But this was one of them. She doesn't have the little slip. If she does something, it's very, very apparent as to what she's doing.

It shows it in your face. And it's still, at the end of the day, for whatever reason, gets over on me. Yeah, like in the moment, I thought the exact same thing that everybody else thought, and I shouldn't. Why wouldn't you think that? I know. But her sidekick is already pissing me off because she's like, can I speak? No. Because I was there. Thank you. No one gives the fuck, man. You psycho? A lot of Lee said no when she said, can I speak.

Why wouldn't you? Like, no, Jacqueline, nobody needs to hear from you. We get it. You hang out with Mia. Guess who thinks Mia's cool? Nobody. nobody. Nobody's vying for her attention other than you, so take it and run with it. Don't be like, I was there. Thank you. Nobody gives a fuck. But she uses that to kind of throw me under the bus to say, yeah, Gordon's cool for a little bit, and then he's not for the majority of it, which we all kind of thought, okay, that makes sense. Cordial for the kids for a minute, I don't want to hang out with you and the guy you cheated on me with.

Very understandable. Mia keeps trying to force cuck him. Well, and just like the old force cuck, it gets you every time. And just like Mia did that, where she intentionally said the two fathers, she's also intentionally putting things on Instagram to make it seem like everybody's cool so that she can get it over on everybody else. Yep. But Jacqueline betraying her was not in the cards.

That's the first good thing that Jacqueline's done, and I don't think she meant to do it. Unintentionally did it. Yeah. These two are exhausting. Exhausting, but Giselle calls out this weird double standard for this. but Giselle calls bullshit which I'm glad because she points out

Mia we sat down with you we had a heart to heart you shared probably too much information with us it seemed like you were going through it so we sat and listened to you you told us that ink was going to take a step back until you guys got your shit sorted out

which we all agreed with what Mia responds with I'm like well what did you think went down because this makes no fucking sense He's like, I'll listen to your guy's advice. It doesn't mean I'm going to take it. It's like, you told them he was taking a step back, and they agreed that was a good idea. They didn't tell you to tell him to take a step back.

You said step back. Two days later, pool scene with Gordon and Ink where you film the five minutes that it was cordial and not the 30 minutes where it was probably a fucking disaster, which once again, you're putting your kids in a very strange scenario because they're at the pool and you want to force this scene on Instagram. and then they have to watch Gordon and Inc. not be cool, which I hope those two were able to do it behind closed doors

or away from the kids. Yeah. I just don't know. Everything that happens with me is obviously fake. We've pointed that out before. She wants to create this illusion that everybody's getting along and she wants to create the illusion

that she's in control of what's going on. And she thinks for some reason that's going to make everybody else envious of her life. I just don't understand where she's getting all of these thoughts from. Again, for the show, it's fucking insane.

and more and more I know in the beginning of the season we're like we shouldn't be privy to these things I don't really want to anymore I'm just like we have to show just show everything

and I want to see everything I don't want to see the five minutes that you're filming on Instagram I want to see the other 20 minutes of Gordon throwing a fit so do I yeah so do I but it's hysterical

that Jacqueline's falling around like a hurt lost puppy dog and she's like fuck you Jacqueline and she's like oh my God why she's like you threw me out of the you never back me up you always throw me into the bus and Jacqueline

is literally chasing after Mia. I don't know how Jacqueline watches this show and is not mortified. I would be so embarrassed if I acted like this at all, even more so if I know people are watching it, even more so watching it back yourself. Watching myself do it. Oh, my God. Hopefully not.

I can't be good for mental health unless she is a lunatic. Well, all signs point to lunatic. but anywho Wendy gets a citation from the governor I don't know what that means I thought it was a ticket that's what I think of when I think

citations Oh okay I didn't know That's what I thought what was going on You guys got a citation for noise ordinance It didn't even seem like that cool of a party Yeah Burn

I assumed it was something good that I didn't understand Which is what turned out to be It's like a thank you for all of your services To the community and whatever Is she going to going to try to spin this into saying that she now has a fifth degree.

At this point, yeah, why not? Just do it. Yeah, why not? Just keep tacking on degrees and citations. Just list them all off. I'm here for it now because I like this new Wendy. I like the Wendy that we've been seeing all seven. So if you want to have more degrees, have more degrees.

I'd rather see that than T.J. and Ray talking. TJ can go fuck himself. What a dweeb. But Karen, Ashley, Giselle, and Stacey come together for a mediation station. They're talking because it's interesting the timing of it. Stacey's about to go through mediation, and Ashley seemingly the same day went through mediation, at least their first run through.

Sure. But Karen and Giselle have been through it, so they want to offer some advice to Stacey, which I'm glad they did when we find out later how the mediation went. At the time, I was very conflicted about it. I wasn't. Like, you know what? Like, it's not always the same.

You know what I think it was, though? It wasn't Karen and Giselle, because I do think that they actually can give good advice. It was the fact that Ashley was leading the charge. You shouldn't tell anybody how to get divorced. No, but at the same time, she was doing it from a standpoint of these two helped me. Right. I want you to hear what they have to say because I needed to hear it as well.

I do believe Ashley probably needed to hear it more because Michael is a fucking snake, scumbag, bald creep. Yeah. But I do think, obviously, it pays off for Stacey later because she's under the same impression that Kyle Richards is. it's amicable it's different we're going to do this on the up and up he's not going to burn me i'm not going to burn him jazelle great point and i think that this is something i glossed over with kyle and mo because i thought they'd be fine getting through this but it's a great point

the person you knew or were with they're no longer that person yeah a lot of them still are like it's a lot of that person still there but you're not together anymore so things change at the end of the day let's protect ourselves yeah just in case once stacey said he's a very successful man and he comes from a very prestigious family in germany i got a little way he's going to be protected yeah he's going to be way more protected than you he's going to be much more ready for you and prepared for this question why the fuck is tj talking about signing bonuses who cares i think he was talking about stacy's signing bonus for being a new host of a show being like they got 56 000 that's what he was talking about that's what

he said host i didn't know what the fuck was going on i assume I don't think Ray knew what the hell was going on. He doesn't know what's going on ever. No. That's irrelevant. He'd rather be golfing. Yeah, he'd rather be golfing right now. But my point is, she was the host of a QVC show.

So if he's eluding to a host, he's saying, did you know new host get $56,000? Why are you discussing that? I just assumed they were still talking about Ray's, like, 1970s computer. No, the, I don't know what's called anymore. Yeah, it doesn't fucking matter. The Equinox 45. I just thought they were still talking about completely irrelevant shit. And I'm like, why are we seeing this?

But that makes way more sense. I think he's talking about Stacey's signing bonus. You have no call on that, sir. No. You won't even touch her, pal. Nope. And you ignore her at the dinner table. He also work in the same.

Yeah, he may have been talking about himself. I don't think he was. I think, didn't they meet at work? There's no way that guy's on QV. I would actively. Maybe not QVC, but whatever she does now because she moved. I don't. KVC was in Philly.

I know that. I don't know. I don't know what he does. I think maybe he was involved with them. I could see him as a really overreasing. as a really overzealous weatherman. I could see him as the guy they have on every couple of months to talk about, like, food and fitness.

And he's way too energetic and pisses people off. Like, oh, TJ's in a studio today. Up until recently, I would say I could see him stuck. They stick him whenever, like, a hurricane's coming up the coast. That's where he belongs. Yeah, TJ, go stand out there. Then they put Anderson Cooper out there, and I felt bad for it. Can you get hit by a sign or something?

I don't think he got hit by a sign. Somebody got hit by something recently. Somebody definitely got smoked by a sign, yeah. Anyway, let's keep going. We get a nice scene with Wendy and Eddie and the siblings. As we know, things have been contentious to say the least. And by contentious, I mean, they have not had contact, really, for years and years and years. They are still not tight with Eddie's parents.

But this was nice. This was nice to see. They're all hugging. Wendy makes a point to say this is the most important part of the evening. It looks like we found a way forward with everybody. Everyone's happy, crying, yay. Love to see it. But we get to Giselle next day.

They're having so... This is a good idea. Boozy ice cream? Uh, no. What do you mean? Keep alcohol away from my sweets. Is that because you'd consume too much and get too drunk, or you think it tastes bad? I think it would taste terrible.

Oh, no. And I love ice cream, so don't fuck with that. Right? You need to... No. No, I got mad about when I saw it. I'm saying you're getting mad at me right now? I'm not mad at you.

Not you're projecting. Not mad of you. You're projecting. I am mad about booze and ice cream. I don't think it should exist. Nah. No. I disagree.

They're not real ice cream people. Give me a rap. If you're going to put booze and ice cream, you're not real ice cream people. You're a real ice cream person. You're a fucking fauna. You're a phony. This guy's a phony. Look, everybody.

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protein without all the work, at participating restaurants in Canada. But we talk about Giselle's home situation a little bit. Grace just got done her freshman year at school, or is still currently in her freshman year at school. The twins, as we know, they had their cap and gown ceremony. They're out the door next year.

We got an empty nester. It's going to be a different story for Giselle next season. Yep. We've said it all year. Giselle's had a solid year. I like this Giselle. Giselle Sands Robin, great for TV. Very good.

Thoroughly enjoying it. I like learning more about her home life. I love that we're getting this out of her because we have not gotten this ever. She opens up. She talks about the passing of her father. She talks about how difficult it was for her. She went to book a flight. Couldn't even type onto the computer.

Talks about how Angel and the door stepped up and really walked her through. this whole thing. She says that they held her hand through this, which is, we love the family scenes. Oh, yeah. We've said that for even when we didn't like Giselle over the past few seasons. She's clearly a good mom just because of the way her kids treat her. Yeah.

Like, it's clear that she does her job well. So to know that Angel and a door stepped up and took care of her is awesome. But overall, just a Giselle that opens up a little bit is delightful. It's fantastic. Wonderful. She gets the hint.

She does. She's, look, without Robin, she has, this is the best Giselle has ever performed, in my opinion, I think. She's main cherry blossom. Is that what they hold? That is, I don't, I've always been confused about this. Yes, it is a cherry blossom. But are they holding a pedal? Just one pedal?

Well, they're not. It's got to be a whole flower. Well, they're not. That's my point. Yeah. They're kind of like, wow, we're going to sound dumb. Let's just move on. Are there individual flowers?

Are they just all petal? I think it's an individual flower. I don't know. Fuck. God, we sound stupid. I'm going to cut this. I'm not going to cut this. Let's get to Ashley and her kids.

We'll touch on this super fast because we said we wouldn't talk about it. I will give her props as well. She seems to be crushing it as a mom. Her kids are cute. They seem to love her. She has gone a long way from living with Michael in that God-forsaken concrete, concrete, monstrosity bachelor pad where he was probably banging God knows who. For a way too long.

Juan Dixon. She, yeah, let's be real. But, uh, this is confusing. Just want to touch on it. She gets the kids seven days a week. Michael gets them for the weekend. I was fucking hoping that you weren't going to bring this up. That really bothered me.

Seven, I, here's what I took. Okay, go ahead. Here's what I took. She's got the kids all month. Michael gets... A weekend. One weekend a month. I don't know, dude.

Seven days a week. I paused it and looked at the calendar. I couldn't figure it out. Leapier. I don't know. It's leapier. Does she do maybe Thursday to Thursday? And then he gets the kids for that weekend.

Wow, you really thought about it. I was really hoping you weren't going to bring it up. But then it doesn't recycle. That's the problem. But it's also seven days a week. And then we can use the context clues of what we find out later where it's 10 days a month. But that's different than the current set up. And seven days a week implies it's a one week period, which would be a Monday through Sunday or Sunday through Saturday, depending on if you're one of those weird people that counts Sunday as the beginning of the week.

Calendors do it. So I get it. But at the same time, like that's not a thing. Have you seen February 2025 on a calendar? Do I want to? Perfect. Oh, really? That's nice.

Oh, that sounds good. February 1st is a Sunday. February 28th is also a Sunday. This conversation is like causing me to have a panic attack. So maybe I need to look at that calendar and like settle down. Yeah, you'll, yeah, let me. Thursday to Thursday, leap year weekend. That's the schedule.

We've been talking about this for five minutes. I'm so sorry, everybody. But she's headed to mediation. Great. Here's what I was concerned about. It wasn't the worst. But I see it turning, especially given next week, we get another conversation. We've been lobbying hard for a guy, Greg.

There's some red flags for me as Kearnah goes to the office. Now, granted, she admittedly doesn't take this job seriously. She says that. I think it's cute that he thinks he's my boss. It appears that she does take it lightly. It appears that she, I don't really know what she does. No idea. She needs to go to schools, so it's open arms is the name of it.

It's to help. Outreach. Youth Outreach program from what I've gathered. Maybe she goes and canvases the schools to see who would need help. That's a horrible way to say it. Canvass the school? Yeah. That sounds creepy.

Oh, well, yeah. If you put it that way, it sounds like. No one says that. Do they say that? Let's canvas some new schools? Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I don't like that. You go out and do some market research? Yeah, that sounds better. Yeah. Do some market research on. breach program sounds better. Canvassing school sounds bad. You got to see how many of these kids need help. Yeah. Okay.

Market research. Fine. All right. We'll go with that. I'm just sad. I think maybe that's what she does. Regardless. He wants her to get more involved or take it more seriously, I guess. But the conversation that they have, because someone makes a joke like, oh, it sounds like she's a digs. And I guess that's Greg's last name. He's like, she can be a digs when she starts acting right. get to the office and this is why I wasn't like

up in arms about it because one she can handle herself like she's clearly not taking any shit out from them which I appreciate but she asked him flat out like oh I don't act right and he's like well at times and you should work on that I don't love that is it frustration

because she's not taking the job seriously but then she goes on to say like he's kind of an old school guy which to me points to okay like I'm the man so I'm worried about Greg Yeah, maybe we came on a little too strong on Greg. I think we came on too strong because he seemed like an unassuming nice guy. People were giving him shit and he didn't belong there.

He didn't say anything really. Yeah. He hadn't talked up until the point. We were big Greg guys. We didn't deserve the shit that he was getting. Right. We may have come on too strong. I think we jumped the gun here.

I think we need to take a step back and reevaluate. I think we need to break up with Greg. I think we need to canvas his company. Let's canvas Greg. Yeah. You start painting him and I'll finish a canvas. The pause after finish is perfect. He does ask her about the lawsuit.

This is the lawsuit again, Sesame Street, aka Deborah. She's filing a personal injury claim, which I would imagine she wins with flying colors. I would assume they just settle. There's footage, there's pictures after, like the aftermath. I would imagine there's a big settlement coming her way from Debra. I'm curious. I hope they talk about that more. I was actually surprised. We haven't heard much about it. No. Like obviously the scar comment early on. Yeah. And it seems like

Kiarna is just kind of shutting down a lot of that talk, but not in the normal. I can't talk about it because it's an ongoing lawsuit type of way. It's more of a, I don't want to fucking talk about it. Which makes sense. It was awful, and I don't want to deal with it. And I'm going through legal action right now. So hopefully we do get a little bit more. the good thing is in lieu of a character testimony towards Deborah we can just show her lying a bunch of last season that's the best part when lawsuits happen to Bravo people it's like just roll the tape you want a character witness

she fucking sucks yeah watch she accused this guy this guy who's getting dragged for sexual harassment which was not true and Deborah decided to jump in and add herself to the storyline watch there you go that's all you need to know and guilty boop I don't know if that's that kind of case yeah it's probably one of those cases well it's a personal injury claim are you guilty or you just held liable still a gavel sure i want a gal we should get a gavel in here that would be cool

no we'd overuse it we'd definitely overuse it then forget that it existed and then overuse it again when we found it would be excited like oh yeah remember the gavel yeah that's a good point let's get to karen and jazelle and wendy and ashley and stacey and they got a chartchutery cray i thought is charchutery. I thought it was charchutery. I had to listen to it a couple times. I said char churitry, so I'm not much better. No.

Be honest with it. Char, oh, God. You can't actually say it? Fuck me up now. No, I can. Not now. Charcutor. No.

Look. I'm not going to say it, dude. I'm going to let you go through this. Wait. You have to understand everybody. Okay. I'm really sleepy. Uh-huh.

Okay. This is episode number two. bear with me charcutory charkootery charcutory charkootery brachute mordatel gabagool

we're back baby charchutory glad you worked through that thanks bud but uh stacy arrives and I do want to hear about stacy's charreuse charre what

isn't that a color chartreuse oh that does sound like a thing it is a color yeah I think it's a what's the matter with you I'm trying to I'm hanging on for dear life here

you're talking about Chartreuse it's just by I said magenta. Isn't it like a magenta color? Fucking no. Should we look it up? I got to look it up. Chartreuse.

Do you think I can spell it? Yeah. You got this. I'm actually pretty good at spelling. Yeah. Let me see. Oh, I was off by one letter. Is it U-E-S-E?

It is U-E. No, it's E-U-S-E. I did E-U... All right, so it's C-H-A-R-T-R-R-E-U-C. I did C-H-R-T-R-R-E-C-E. Oh. That's still pretty good. Chartreuse.

Shartreuse is a... You're going to have to explain it to me because I don't know. You dickhead, chartreuse is a liquor. Does it go in ice cream? What an idiot. What does it taste like an ice cream? Yeah, it says dresses. Oh, maybe it is a color.

These are all the same green. It's like a green. Oh, I was off on the color. Yeah, it's just kind of a green. Like, uh, those different shades of green here. I think it seems to be up for debate. Okay. Welcome back to talking tints with the...

What the fuck were we? Charkootery, Stacey, divorce, mediation. Let's lock in. Yeah. So, she admittedly did not know a lot. Now, we were just... We knew that he was from, like, an affluent background. Did we know that he was from, like, a wealthy family in Germany, like,

has all this money, blah, blah, blah. Did we just find that out this episode? We had an idea. She explained it to us on like the first or second episode when Ashley had come over, but not to this degree. Yes. In the beginning of the episode was the most that we've gotten. So look, it's like a wealth, it's family money,

which means if they have like family like generational fucking money, yeah, there's a lot of loopholes. And I'm sure, as she said, she's like, I found out that my name was on certain things and I didn't know about this account. I didn't know about that account, blah, blah, blah, blah. but I'm glad that she gives the lady's credit. She's like, I probably wouldn't know this stuff if they didn't press me to ask more questions. So she actually ends up thanking them and kind of acknowledges like, you guys are right.

I wasn't fully ready for what was there. Ashley's still in mediation. We don't need to talk about that. Okay. She's still in mediation. The only thing. The only reason. Another non-disparagement agreement.

That's pretty, yeah. That's where we're at again. She asked, she was asked to sign one for Michael. but I agree with her I do agree with her I don't think that you should sign that shit Not with him No

No I know what he's probably Trying to cover up Some creepy gross shit That he's done in hotel rooms With again God knows who And I'm assuming that he's Thinking once this is all said And done

And the divorce is final They're gonna have a free for all on them But the problem is We've tuned it out We don't care Going on for five goddamn years Yeah I really don't care Over it

What Michael Darby is or was up to I'm over it I just don't need to see that creepy, he looks like a scab, honestly. That's a good way to put it. Like a raw scab. Just fuck off, Michael, but I hated this scene. I hated this scene.

It was clearly scripted. This was clearly discussed beforehand. They clearly practiced their lines. I hated it top to bottom. Karen Hugar continues to take giant steps backwards for me. I'm curious to get your take on it, but we get her and her daughter Raven. in a restaurant. Now, not one soul is in this restaurant.

They have a private tasting menu that they seemingly just get dropped on. Oh, the chef has prepared special things for you. Sure, yeah. Interesting. Wow, surprising. And the conversation that they proceed to have is horrible. Like, it's clearly Karen wanting people to see this loving side of her, this loving mother. How is your love life, honey?

Tell me about that. And her daughter, we don't like to talk shit about the kids. That being said, she's 22 years old. I don't feel as bad. But the way that she's talking like, why you seem so overly prepared for these answers. You seem like you know what you're saying in advance. She talks about her love life and Karen, just the word she's saying, the most powerful moment post-accident that I had was I was not taking care of myself.

That should not be the most powerful moment after this accident. It should be, oh my God, I need to look in the mirror. I have a fucking problem. I've gotten two DUI. Did you see today that the judge barred? This happened today. No, I didn't see this. Karen tried to get the body camage, body cam footage barred from the case.

And the judge said, no, we need to see the body cam footage. If you need any more evidence, if you're trying to block the body camera footage, there's something on the tape that you don't want people to see. What would be the grounds for that? I don't know. I didn't look good? Yes. It didn't look good for me?

It's bad for my case. Your Honor. It paints me in a really bad light. Object. Oh, my God. No, I thought the same thing. It's hard. I had to rewatch this scene actually twice because I kept tuning it out.

Once she starts going and the way that she interjected, because I had the same feelings that you did, we're sitting in the middle of a restaurant. It's a tasting menu. The chef is coming out to greet you. I get it, your Karen Hugar. Weird. No.

It just stinks. The whole thing stunk immediately. I get it. Your Karen Hugar. You're Karen Hugar. That's my whole point. You know what I brought back to was the first episode where she's sitting down with Giselle and she has the guy come over and say she's never drank here.

Correct. That's what we got to get. We got the exact same thing except this time there's nobody in the restaurant to say, look at those people over there drinking their mimosas. Scumbags. Yeah. I still feel bad for those people. But we haven't, I don't think we've seen Raven in three years.

No. I haven't seen her in forever. We haven't seen her at all. So she pops up now. She flies in to fly out the same day. Yeah. Two episodes after she sits. down with what was that her cousin yeah sits down with her cousin to talk about everything he was

more upset that she was now we've got this whole narrative being spun where you're talking about her love life but then immediately interject and start talking about the post accident that doesn't really tie together but it was very scripted it was just nonsense it was just more more nonsense trying to convince us for whatever reason that whatever we know happens didn't actually happen the way that it was portrayed she's she's fighting against herself yeah i i just i just i just just don't understand it. I don't know why she's going at such great lengths to try to like get this going. I think she's embarrassed that it's her second one. Yeah, that's trying to find a way out. Probably what a way. But all in all, this entire scene is just nonsense. It was brutal. And the way

her daughter talks, she's like, anyone who is not concerned about your overall health and well-being is shameful. I'm going to find out who my real friends are. That's in a nutshell. Exactly. We've already heard that. It's like, by the way, people can care about her and also hold her accountable and say, I'm concerned about you, Karen. I'm concerned about your health and well-being, Karen, because you've now gotten two DUIs and that's a big problem.

Yep. So I'm concerned about your overall health. That's the same thing, Raven. It's no different. That's actually a more concerned friend than somebody who's going to gloss over and be a Jacqueline to the Mia where it's like you're fine.

The deer did it. The tree came out of nowhere. Of course you want to block the body cam footage, you probably didn't look great. You didn't have your makeup done. That's the only reason, not because they would see you inebriated. This whole thing sucks, and this is on the tale of me watching this remarkable scene with Robert Jr. and Mary on Salt Lake, where they're addressing shit like this. And now we're acting like Karen, and people commented on our fucking YouTube.

It's like, you don't know the whole story? It's like, are you fucking serious? Are you shitting me right now? You actually buy anything that's coming out of her mouth? Oh, God. Like, come on, guys. Anyone that thinks that Karen is in the right needs to look in the mirror themselves. This is brutal.

And the scenes that we're getting from her now are overproduced. She's over deflecting. She's not delivering. And the quirky, like, oh, she's making this kind of entertaining is gone for me. I'm done with it after this scene. The only thing it could be that we haven't considered, maybe Ray was also in the car and he was driving. and then they crashed

and then he got out and ran away. Okay. Hold on. Allegedly. Let me do that real quick. And they had to get rid of the deer because the deer was an eyewitness. And the body cam footage could have seen just Ray

because he doesn't move that fast. Just kind of like sauntering away. You just see gray-haired Ray. For whatever reason, he's pantsless and his asses out. I don't know why. He's just hiding behind a tree. Like, Ray, we see you and he's like, ooh. And he like hides behind it again.

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she's like oh you're going to be my sugar mommy I'm like gross this whole relationship's weird and gross and Mia's like if we were alone I would kiss you gross all of this is gross I'm uncomfortable Jacqueline's a psycho Mia's unhinged I think that Mia set her up by the way they were shit outfits I think that she horrible her looking bad thing she walks out I'm like what is that first off Potomac is not known for their outfits no did you see that clip where they asked all the other housewives who the worst franchise is dressing wise it's

Potomac by far and away it's quite Jersey was number two which they're not that great either. No, Jersey is definitely number two. Far in a way. Really terrible. And this is why Mia going in there acting like she is a fashionista. She wears insane outfits that make zero sense and look terrible. The first outfit that Jacqueline came out in was

comical. Fucking hilarious. It was so funny. Who made that dress? They should never make a dress again. Mia stitched together a trash bag and a burlapse act. Like, make her put this on. Make her put it on. The second outfit was just Mia's wardrobe. Yep. She's like, I'm going to steal that. steal that. It's like, no, it's, one, it looks awful.

Two, it's probably in your closet. And I think you're setting her up to look even worse than she already looks. Yeah, it's brutal. They start talking about pee-pee again, and no one cares. I don't care. I do not care about what's going on in Jacqueline's life. And she did this to herself. You did this to yourself with your behavior on this show, because you

are up me as ass. She told you to fuck off two days ago. Literally. And now you're like, oh my God, sugar mommy, woo! It's so creepy. It creeps me the fuck out. I Don't like watching these two together. The dynamic is off-putting. I had to focus so much on just the fashion to get through the scene.

It was brutal. It was the only way I could get through it. The only thing we really get from is that Mia is pissed at Giselle for bringing up Inc. and Gordon at the pool. You can't be mad because you brought this whole scenario up to them with, again, information that you probably didn't need to tell them to get your point across. But because you went so heavy on the info, they're paying attention now. And by the way, Giselle is 100% correct. Absolutely. And the only reason that she is now, if she had said that on her own and said, what are you doing?

Are you just putting things on Instagram that are good to make people think that it's good? Then, okay, yeah, you can be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Why are you stalking my Instagram? Fine. Jacqueline already spilled the beans. She told everybody that that's what you were doing. Giselle's just saying, hey, why do you do that? That's insane.

She's right. 100%. You are in the wrong. You got caught. The best part is the conversation that those two are about to have. because holy shit, but Jacqueline's reasoning of Giselle's just mad because she doesn't have

a man, and you've got three or four. Nobody's jealous of your weird dudes. Not one person on the planet. So, three or four? Who's the third? Who's the other ones? Are we going back to the first baby daddy? No, dude.

I don't know. And it's like... Is she cheating on ink with another guy? Probably. You're going to do this another time next year? It's probably produced. But again, not one person. not one person saw Gordon or Inc. walk on the screen and go, that's a hot dude.

I wish that was my man. No, they saw Gordon act like a psycho to you over the past couple of years. And they saw Inc. cheat with you on Gordon. Not to mention because of Jazzy, we went to a Super Bowl party where there were NFL players. Yes. Hot NFL players. Smoking hot NFL. players.

Not your dudes. That's who people are watching and wanting to bang. Yep. Not Inc. And Gordon. Let's be real here. No one, you have, you don't have highly touted men following you around.

You have Jacqueline up your ass. Yeah. Congratulations. Gross. Oh, God. But Ashley does the rappelling thing. They do this in Philly. It's the same company over the edge.

Bruce does it every year. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And you rappel down the side of an office building and... Does he also think about... I fast forward. I fast forwarded through the repelling part because I knew she was going to say, let me just see if I got, did you watch it?

Okay, I swear to God, I did not watch it. Okay, let me just, let me tell you what I think you said. As she's repelling, she's talking about the growth that she's made in this relationship, in this divorce settlement, in growing as a person. And the more she repels, the more come to Jesus moment she has where she's like, you know, I'm really proud of myself and everything that I've gotten through. and this is kind of a defining moment for me. My kids are here watching me.

I'm a strong mother, and I'm going to win this whole thing. Sort of, yeah. That's pretty much it in a nutshell, except instead of doing just a confessional where Ashley says all of that, they show us clips about her talking about the divorce and the mediation. Oh, no, I missed that. No. Shit that we've already seen. Bummer.

Nothing has changed. She's going down, and at one point it looks like she's having a pretty hard time. time and that's when they bring in the whole like the beginning of the divorce it was awful i knew okay yeah that's exactly what i thought and i also love that during scenes like this this is look over the edge 90% of the time not 90% but a vast majority of the time are people that work in like the buildings downtown yeah so a lot of them are like very successful people yeah this is not a moment where anybody's going to fall no okay nothing's going to go wrong because they will get sued to oblivion.

There are very rich people going on these lines. Her struggling in the middle, like, whoo, it's like, no, this is not difficult. I love the, when they show the text message that she sent out. Oh, yeah. Karen's response was great. Well, oh. Ashley, you don't have to do all that. I'll just donate to the charity.

Yeah, that's funny. It's really funny. But, yeah, I love that when they have these moments in Housewives where it's like a ropes course or like something that they're in a harness and it's very regulated. It's like, do, do, do, do. Like music gets heavy. Like, oh, God, is she going to fall? No, she's not going to fall.

There's no way she falls. It's funny that you knew what over the edge was right away. The only reason I was because of Bruce. I didn't, and I thought that it was another G&A event. No, no, no, no. It's, I swear Bruce does it off of a... What the fuck does this company, too? He does it off.

What is this? Logan 1. Logan's square. That's cool. That's a real thing. But let's finish this bad boy up, all right? Mia arrives. No hug for Giselle.

I hate this, too, or she has to a state. it. Just don't hug her and don't talk. Don't be like, I can't hug you. Well, she did hug her. And then she said, you get a hug now. I thought she said, I'll be nice now, but we have to talk. I must have been writing something down. Okay, whatever. I just liked the exchange that Karen and Giselle have afterwards. I was like, what are you talking about? I've been good.

She's like, yeah, you have been really good this year. It's like, yeah, we know. This is great. We've been watching. She's awesome. We agree. But Mia starts going in. So I shared some personal things at the GNA event. And then at Wendy's, you questioned it because of the social media posts. Giselle, thinking what we're all thinking, thought it was a legitimate question. Is it slightly shady?

I guess? Kind of? Like, I guess it's kind of shady? Nothing that Mia wouldn't do. But it's not really. It's more like, hey, you told us all this crazy shit. We're watching this whole thing transpired in real time. But you're making posts to make it seem like everything's cool.

Days after you told us, Inc. is taking a step back. That's confusing. She's like, oh, is that confusing? because Angel and a door snuck boys in the DR. Fuck off. What? Like, who cares? Who cares?

Coming from Mia, which is, that it's got to be like the richest shit ever. Oh, yeah. Coming from me, of all people. Who cares? It has nothing to do with that. Now you're going to question whether or not Giselle's a good mother because her teenage daughters were trying to talk to boys in Dominican Republic and get them into the house so they can hang out.

Sounds like a teenager. Tracks to me. Yeah. Sounds like a healthy family teenager. She's like, you told me, and she's like, they didn't like chazelle tries to cover it up shortly and then i think it's about the kids but i think she also realizes like okay whatever she's like oh yeah the ring camera footage like yeah okay we saw a boy getting snuck into the house what are we doing right now this has nothing to do

with your situation and she's like i'm just saying like you want to act like you're this perfect mother you have these perfect kids and you post things on social media but you don't post that should she posts her ring footage of angel the door sneaking boys in the How funny would that be? These two idiots. It's like, I've got footage of your daughters hanging out with teenage boys. Like, what are they supposed to do?

They're being teenagers. And your big complaint is that she shows the good stuff? Yeah, dude. What is a parent going to do? Blast their kid on social media? Like, she even says, she's like, they have their own social media.

They're 18 years old, 17 years old, whatever. If they want to post things they can, I'm not going to post the ring camera footage of them sneaking a boy in through the window. That's not a great look. sandwiched in between two posts about how great they are. Yeah, what the fuck?

This was such a bizarre statement. She's like, I'm just saying, I'm going to talk shit too. If you're going to bring up this shit, then I'm going to talk shit. And everybody that is privy to this conversation are like, what's going on right now? Like, what's going on with you? Because Karen goes, she wrote it down to make sure I got right. She says, juggling pimp village is getting to her. That was such a good.

never else was like like me is spiling something this is bad the situation she's going through and that that's the whole thing if she took a different approach and was like this is pretty crazy really fucking hard for me to get through we would listen yeah like then we would have sympathy but instead you're acting unbothered and putting the onus on other people that it's their fault for not understanding or for questioning when you bring it up to them if you take the stance of i'm going through it right now instead of trying to throw something completely irrelevant to the conversation about Giselle's kids, because now what you've done

and what you don't realize you've done, Giselle's been around the game for a long time. Jazele knows how to play the game, and she says exactly what I'm thinking. She goes, oh, I'm taking it all in. I'm just taking it in, and then I'll react. She's going to take her time, and she's going to do it in a way Mia doesn't expect.

It's going to land much better than whatever the fuck this was. And Mia's not going to be able to retaliate in a successful way where it lands with both the audience and the rest of the cast. It's going to be some off-the-wall shit that makes no sense, and Giselle's is going to be much more damning. Like, you don't wake up that sleeping bear

because she will fuck you up. This is what I've never understood about Mia. She portrays herself as this person who just, like, doesn't care, lets things roll off of her. You make an insult towards her. She's not going to make it a big deal. And that usually plays. That usually works,

because if you can just let that happen, you're not going to find yourself in a bad situation. But if you're going to come back days and days later, and go at her like this, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense and also now you're going to be fighting an uphill battle. Also, you just made an enemy of Jazeel who's having a very good season

who has the cast behind her because everybody's commenting on how good Giselle is. You're fucked. You have nobody to back you up except for Jacqueline. Nobody cares about it. Not only does the whole cast

think she's a joke. Everybody watching thinks she's a joke. So good job, Mia. Great job. It's going to be fun to watch. watch. Oh, yeah, it's going to be good. Questions? From Simplione, do you think Giselle will put Mia in her place later for bringing up the

girls from DR trip? She's going to torture. Yep, I think she is. Yeah. From Holly Tug, I think Mia bringing up Giselle's daughters was a new low, even for her. Thoughts? I don't know if it was necessarily like a low blow. No, because it didn't hit that hard. It was stupid, yeah. It was more like, what are you doing? Yeah. Like, this is a dumb idea because that's exactly why. It can be framed as you're going too low. You went for my kids, I'm going to fuck you up now. Yep.

But what she actually said wasn't a big deal. So it's like you went too low by bringing kids into it. And the ammo that you brought was completely irrelevant. Yeah. I knew this one was going to be coming from Christy Jedlicky. Has your opinion about Greg changed after this episode? Yep. We're not sure.

Yeah, we're, look, we broke up with Greg. Everybody knows it. Yep. All right, we're going to state it again. I'm going to go back and edit all of those episodes. You can't find it. We don't sound like assholes. Look, here's the thing, though.

Okay? And we always do this, and we are very proud of this part of the podcast. We will reel it back. Sure will. If we say something we don't agree with down the road, we will not stand by simply because. Just listen to the beginning of this episode. We completely started off by saying, yeah, maybe we jump to a conclusion there. Yeah.

yeah all right uh last one here this is just a very nice little message for mary had a little how are you bros managing your schedules working full-time new baby new girlfriend also working full-time y'all okay no no i'm losing my fucking mind what are you talking about it's it's tough we live a tough life yeah look we here's the thing here's the double-edged sword and this is funny like And obviously this is not even remotely comparing ourselves to one of the most successful streamers in the world, I show speed, speed, you know? Yeah. Somebody asked him, a lot of streamers and, like, TikTokers were saying, like, my job's

harder than a nine to five. We will not sit here and say that this is a tough job. Nope. Because we love doing this. We're just grateful for the opportunity to do this, and we really enjoy it. Is it straining? Yes. Yes, we're fucking tired.

If we didn't have other jobs, it probably would be a lot easier. But we do have other jobs. And let me tell you, I'm fucking tired. I do have a new baby. I'm so tired. And she sleeps and I'm still tired. And that's the thing. This is what you don't understand.

Okay? She sleeps and I edit. I edit late into the night. And then she wakes up and I feed her at like five in the morning. And then I post episodes in the morning. And I haven't slept like REM cycle in. six months what is rem cycle i don't know never heard of them me neither are you happy now yeah you happy you brought up our trauma

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