Bros & Shows - At Hometowns Juliana Makes Strides, Dina's Family Hides (The Bachelor Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

What's up Brose? It's hometowns week on the Bachelor. Juliana introduces Grant to the whole family, extended included up in Boston. He makes a solid impression on the whole crew and it's clear that he and Juliana have definitely firmed up their connection during this date. Zoe brings Grant to New York to meet her "chosen family" but he does not get to meet her adopted parents due to a strained relationship. But meeting the aunt and uncle and sister goes well. While it appears they do not have the deepest connection, something about Zoe has Grant enamored. We just would like to see her open up just a lillllllll bit more but her and Grant have certainly come a long way. Litia and her big Mormon family are more than welcoming to Grant. Hopefully settling any nerves he had as far as how they would accept him given he is not Mormon. We both agree that as of now, Litia is the frontrunner, but that may change at fantasy suites due to her religion. How will Grant's potential nights with the other ladies effect their relationship? Poor Dina is left out to dry by her family. As a Pastor and a Deacon, her father refuses to have the family meet Grant because they can't get on board for the dynamic of this show. While this is easily the most realistic response, for the show and for Dina's journey, this was not a favorable outcome. Who will get the roses and head towards the final? Next week is our favorite episode, the Tell All and we cannot wait. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's got a motorcycle Get after him or have you shot You mean blow up the building From this moment on None of you are safe New episodes every Wednesday Wherever you get your podcasts I was not expecting to be as emotional as I was watching this episode, alone by myself.

Yeah, I have to remind you, this is supposed to be our happy, silly show that we just have fun with. It caught me off guard. It happened three times. Three? Three times I cried this episode. You know you're allowed to, like, keep things to yourself, right? You don't have to tell everybody. I think that it's important for men to be able to talk about these things. Most of the time, not for The Bachelor, though.

It was, it was touching, it was sweet. It was genuine and that happened thrice. In three separate moments, not just the, I'll tell that. We'll talk about it. I'm your co-s and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows. Bros and shows.

I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And shows, I'm your co-host, St. Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter McBatchler. What's up, dude? Are you okay? I'm fine now.

All right. It's nice to have a good cry. It wasn't like ugly crying. I have done that on shows that we've watched. I didn't ugly cry. I did get choked up and shed a tear, like one single tear, just like, poop. I guess we'll take that. Well, look, we're in hometowns this week.

Big week. I have a lot of thoughts. I do, too. A lot of thoughts about Grant's choices thus far. Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting. Okay, I'm excited to get it.

I will say this. I think we missed out on some great hometowns that he didn't select these people for. would agree with that i like these women i like that i just think that they're like seemed to be good choices for a relationship yes for the show i see what you're saying yeah but i will say this this has been my favorite episode of the season interesting okay yeah i've really enjoyed i happen to like the uh the drama a little bit more with carolina that's fair the stuff that went on with rose and a couple of those episodes i liked those a little bit more let's say that they have done a better job towards the end of this season i think a lot of the earlier

episodes were really slow. I think between the Carolina drama, I like the hometowns, obviously, but I think they did a better job towards the end. And I wonder if it's because Grant seems like such a genuinely nice dude that you don't get like those weird interactions. Like I feel like in other seasons, I've seen clips of dudes that are like fucking weird or they get into drama. You have to like, this is the thing I feel like for casting for these shows.

You have to have a couple of just weirdos out there. I think so. And there's, there really haven't been as many weirdos. And really the only one that I can think of right now is Parisa, who did the PowerPoint. And even that wasn't that weird. She was still sweet. And like, yeah, she just likes rocks. Like, what are you going to do?

I feel like we needed more Carolinas. Yeah, we needed more Carolinas to like butt heads. We needed some real weirdos out there that were like crying half the time. Or like in the first like two episodes like I love them. Yeah. No, we needed that. We need an early I love you. And I feel like we've been waiting for it.

And it's every, all these I love you's and I'm falling for you's, they're happening at an appropriate time reasonable it's very level headed of pissing me off a lot of very level headed contestants yeah i don't care for it i want people to say that they love him right away yeah i love you i watch you shooting that basketball wow i love you yeah they just shot that basketball into my heart yeah i want to know what our kids look like yeah i love your face all of those things we didn't get that he like that's why it's too reasonable and maybe it's too real and look grant maybe grant should have just stuck around i'm not saying he's a bad Bad Bachelor, because I think he's genuine.

I think that's a problem, though. But I think that's a big problem for the show. I think we need a little, I don't know, where it's... We need some kookiness. A little bit. He seems so genuine. Dev watched this episode with me, and she was like, does he always say the right thing? I was like, always.

He always hits it. It's always on the spot, and he always knows what to say. It does seem genuine. He does seem like he's actually here. There's a few, like, oversights that he's hit throughout the season, you know, last week with Carolina going over to talk to her instead of the rest of the women. but other than that he's been an absolute gentleman exactly and i think that's actually who he is and i think i'll tell you one thing right now he is not if whatever marriage doesn't work out for him

he is not going to go to bachelor in paradise oh no he is not nearly crazy enough he's not and that's the thing it's like i know how these shows tend to work out they don't tend to end up together he's got me convinced like if you pick the right woman here you're going to be with her forever yeah i think that there's some clear-cut choices right now and what get into that as we get into the episode, but I, yeah, I just wanted to mention. Did we lay out the teams? Because the teams are very easy to figure out. There's four people left. Steel has three. I've got one. Yep.

You've got Latia. Yep. I've got everybody else. I've got everybody else. I will say still, I do believe you're the front runner. But I got the Numbies on my side and I saw some some very good progression. Oh, I thought you said... No, no.

Some very good progression from my team on this episode that I really needed. I needed that from these ladies. I needed them to step up. This is the big week they have to make an impression they did i'm proud of them did a good job so i will not spoil yet because we get yelled at for that real shame though if i ended up winning somehow you look i've told you for weeks now because you've had one contestant for two weeks in a row but even before that you were dwindling and i said to you i do believe you have the frontrunner in let's i've been honest i've been honest which is funny because at the time when i drafted her i did

not feel that way i know but i thought she was a little weird i think that everyone Every time I see them together, I'm like, this seems the most genuine to me. But let's get into it because the other person that really rose up the ranks this week was Juliana. I was proud of her. This is the hometown we start out in, and it's in Bastian. It's in Boston. Just out, Newton. Newton.

Newton. Is it Newtown or Newton? Newton. Newton. They have to say Newton, right? Newton. So they're in Newton mass, and I think I like this one more probably because it was the most relatable. I felt like I've been at a party like this before.

Well, I mean, I'm sure the Italian music in the background helped. It did. Like, the entire time that we were there. It reminded me, honestly, of, like, going over to Dev's parents' house. I mean, this was, I feel like, the most down-the-earth of the four that we saw. It was the most realistic, I think. Yeah. And it's like, you know, you get a good amount of the family coming through.

We're just outside of Boston. She's excited to meet or to have Grant meet her family, her friends. There's pizzas. There's a town. Italian music in the background the entire time. There's a lot of, you know, the typical quips that might be coming from an Italian father. So I thought this was the most normal. This seemed the most realistic to me, I thought.

Actually, no, I take that back. This is not the most realistic. No? I will get to the most realistic. Okay. This is actually not the most realistic for me. I know what you're going to say. And you're right.

But at the same time. That is by far the most realistic thing that's ever happened on The Bachelor. Without a doubt. But at the same time, like soul-crushing at what it happened. We'll get there. We'll get there. But like you said, we start out with the pizza. We go to Celio's.

Hey, Celio, what's up, dude? He's like, oh, it's the guy. There's the guy. Come on in here, pal. And I don't know. I just, I loved the vibe of this town. And he sucks at making pizza, but that's okay. He's so bad at baking pizza.

Embarrassingly so. It's not that hard to make it. But he's starting to fall in love. She's starting to fall in love. There's real feelings here. There's a lot of connection here. And I thought the hometown for Juliana was the most important because I feel like she had the most ground to make up. I feel like, yeah, it's so weird, too, because the other hometowns, when you look at them, like, he's had an established feeling towards the other women.

Yeah. But then you get to, like, Zoe, who I feel like. She's the most closed off, but he says he's the most vulnerable with her. That's what I thought. I was like, that makes sense. We'll save that for when we get to Zoe's. But yeah, whatever. Yeah, I thought the same exact thing.

But we get to the canolies. They do the whole lady in the tramp thing. super cute and uh she gives him a heads up like look we have to uh have a real conversation here because my last boyfriend took me to a very low place i don't want to get back to my that place my family's extremely protect jesus i can't talk can't speak you're already crying i you know what like i said we're we're on a serious note now see i already feel better i'm already locked in oh yeah ready to go now and her last boyfriend did her dirty she was in a dark place for a long time. The family's extremely protective because of that. And it's important.

I thought that this line was big for her. It's important you understand that I don't take this lightly and I wouldn't put myself in this position. I actually believed her when she said. I believe her too. And she says, look, we're going to be meeting and you know damn well I wrote them all down. Pause to do it. We're meeting mom, dad, sis, friends, Mercedes, Paige and Ali, Uncle Paul, Auntie Cheryl, Cousin Andre and Marco, Auntie Candy, Uncle Tony, Nicole, Auntie Lynn, Uncle Liam, Cousins, Marissa, Alana, Danny P, second cousin, Vinny,

Dana, and all the people that make me me. Wow. What a good breakdown that you had there. I took the time. I'm going to stay away from the Italian tropes because they're right there. Oh, yeah. Uncle Tony. Uncle Tony. Come on.

Come on. That's all I'm going to do. I'm not going to make any more jokes. I probably will. Yeah, probably. It's just, but there's something comforting about it. Again, maybe that's because we're from Philly and like this feels so familiar to me. Yeah. It just feels nice. So I was excited to go meet everybody. And the thing that matches up here is Grant wants the big family. Grant comes from a fucked up family, a fucked up situation. He's obviously

close to his mom. He's getting closer with his dad again. We've heard about that all season. So for him, he wants this big, happy family, wants kids, all that. So I think that that was really good for Juliana as far as this journey goes, especially when we get to the house because we get there. And Grant carried the food in. Good move. Very good move. Very good move. Yep. And it's definitely overwhelming. It's a lot of pressure. But as soon as the toast hit, I was, I was calm because I was nervous going in.

Not going to lie. And as soon as I heard a yo from the dad, I was like, ah, psh, this is going to be a piece of cake. Oh, yeah. He's going to fit. Well, I feel like it could have gone a different way, though. He could have been over, over protective. Could have. And asked him a lot of questions in front of the entire family. Could have. But he didn't do that. No, no. He went with his.

joke, which I appreciate because Grant gives Juliana a smooch. He's like, hey, you just kissed my daughter? Uh-huh. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's a Boston accent. Fuck yeah, Carl. I'm so excited. But you get a side-by-side scene, a little juxtaposed scene. I haven't had one of those in a while. And one side is Juliana and her sister Dominique, and the other side is Donna, the mom, and Grant.

So Juliana and Dominique, I got a sense here that Juliana really, really loves this guy. Yeah. Yeah, I think that she's actually into him. This isn't just like for the cameras. Do you know how worried that makes me if she does get picked? Yeah, it always makes me worried when you see something like this. And pretty much the entire overview of this whole thing is, wow, it would really suck if somebody broke your heart. Yes.

And we're like watching, well, he's got three other choices. So like, please don't fuck this girl over. Everybody understand how the game works? I mean the show? I mean, love. Can we help break her heart? Please. She seems so very sweet.

It appears that she's just gotten over whatever she went through. I don't want her to go back. I mean, maybe the bright spot is that you went on The Bachelor and you were able to go through all this and you learn that you could love again. So even if you don't get picked, it won't hurt that much? I don't fucking know.

That was deep. That was nice. Yeah, sure. That's a nice sentiment. But on the other side, you get Donna and Grant. I thought this was not his, he's usually pretty on. And I saw what he was trying to do, but the way that it came out, because he says to her,

shows her the tattoo about the lone wolf thing and talks about how they resonated with each other because they both felt alone and I'm like you're at this giant event with all of these people in her life and you're telling her mom that she's felt alone. I get what he's referring to.

It's like aftermath of her last relationship. At the same time, I thought it was like, ah, maybe she's going to take this the wrong way because look at all these people around her? Yeah. That's just, look, I'm nitpicking for sure, but. Yeah.

Yeah, and it's interesting, too, because the whole lone wolf thing came up a couple different times, too. Yeah, he's brought it up a few times. And when he brings it up to Juliana, and obviously she says that, it's like, well, you know, was she just trying to, like, relate to him on a different level? No, I think she was talking about just the time that she was dealing with all of her shit. She, like, shut down and shelled up. Could it shut down and shelled up? Yeah, Bo. Wow.

Yeah, he liked that. Okay. I don't know why. The only thing I can think of is a Pokemon, but whatever. Shell up. Yeah. It's thinking of a cloister. But, yeah, I think it's a sweet sentiment.

I think that he meant well. And I know what you mean. Like, yeah, it could be taken wrong by a mom finding out that her daughter is telling everybody else that, you know, she's felt alone her whole life. That's my point. I don't know if it's as much of a misstep, but he probably, Grant has such a good head on his shoulders that I feel like he notices it right away. He's like, ah, he does pick up him. I shouldn't, you know. But you know what?

I do feel like I'm falling for. And that's what every mom wants to hear. It's a good rap. That is what every mom wants to hear. will clean up any other misdoings that you had before that. Yep. And then he gets to sit down with Carl. And I was very curious how this is going to go.

Carl seems protected. I was too. Because I like Carl. At the very least, I hope that she gets through further so we see more Carl. But he sits down with Grant. Then he's like, you know, I got a problem. Got a problem. She's really into you.

Like, this is an issue. And obviously he's concerned because he knows that there's three other women in this game. He's concerned that he's watched his daughter go through something in the doesn't want to watch that happen again he was spot on with Carl he said all the right things he was talking about the only thing I thought

was a little weird he's like what I'm attracted to I was like ooh say what you like about her what I'm attracted to is her character I'm like nice good save good save I'm attracted to her character her loyalty and I'm falling for her and I think we can help each other grow that was a big one the team aspect

so lean into that a little bit and that he wants a partner And I think that hit Carl And he's like, you know, I love that I need my girl to be introspective And he brings up the family He's like, I respect the fact that you've kept your family together This big family, this is what I want

I respect that from you and you know You being my father-in-law, I want to learn from men Who provide and take care of their family And like, I'm like dude, that's You could not have done better with the dad Yeah, he just said everything that you wanted to hear And more than anything on a show like this Or for a moment like this

what we want to see is that the family's buying into it. Right. You want to see the whole family show up. They're not going to be complete hard asses. Like, obviously, you know, you're going to have some tough questions here and there because that's how it works. But you want to see that they're at least there and they're going to play the part. They were the warmest to him. Yeah, they were definitely the warmest.

They were the most welcoming for the most part. Zoe's the most, you know, not the most skeptical. There's one of their family that's most skeptical. It's always was. No one doesn't really count. It's fucking crazy to me. that we can't spoil an episode that we're recapping for the episode. I know, it's all right, though.

But that's what I think makes a show or an episode like this the most, is getting a family, getting friends that are really going to buy into it, and actually ask them questions, talk to them about, you know, whether it's the girl or the guide, if it's a bachelor or a bachelor, whatever it might be. You want to see that they're actually invested in this. Yes. Not just like, all right, you know, how's it going? Tell me about the other girls that you're dating.

Like, we didn't really get a lot of that. no it was all about juliana it was all about grant their connection i thought it was really nice and you get this scene between carl and juliana and this was cry number one for me because obviously know the possibility of heartbreak both are afraid of that happening and she talks about he's a solid man and carl said you know he said a lot of important things out there like the effort and the togetherness and he's like i love the guy i fuck i love this guy this guy's fuck you know what lock him down i love this guy what i would say that if he saw his pizza.

I think you'd be disappointed, but hey, you know, you got, there's good and bad. Dude, disappointment hurts more, though, from an Italian dad. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that, it's just like watching him. I'm like, you know, you know Dev's dad. Weat. So, like, that's the funniest part when he's like, I'm very protective.

I'm like, I know he really is because wheat, he was the man, but his nickname is weedy because he was so shredded for his entire life that everyone said he belonged down a Wheaties box. And if you're from Roxburgh, you have a nickname, his nickname. his nickname was Wheatty. Really just docks and your father-in-law. Well, no, I'm talking about how cool my father-in-law is. He's the man.

He's the absolute man. But meeting him for the first time, I was intimidated as shit because I'd heard about this man. So, yeah, I resonated with this scene. I was like, Grant, be strong, be confident. You got this buddy, and, like, Wheat's the sweetest man in the entire world. So it wasn't like that. But Carl was, too. So it's just nice to see.

And maybe that's, I don't know. I connected with this family. Yeah, you did. I really connected with this family. And as he was saying... I'm really curious about cries two and three. We'll get there. But as he was saying to her, like, hey, I love you.

I love you. I'm going to protect you. I was like, I literally thought about Scotty and Poppy. And I was like, I'm going to have to protect them someday from guys. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm trying. Is this cry number two or cry number one? Cry number one. Really concerned right now.

Don't be concerned that I have feelings. I know it's confusing. No, no, it's not about that. I'm just like, what else could have made you cry? I know that one, like, all right, I kind of get that. There's other stuff in that. I don't know what you're going to be. I think the one you'll understand.

The other one in your big, wow, you're a bitch. Yeah, okay. All right, that there's one that I can just point you. There's one, you're a big, wow, dude, you're a total bitch. That's okay. I'll take it. It's fine. I'm comfortable with myself.

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I don't know if she would have gotten through. I fully agree with that. And since you already ripped the Band-Aid off the spoiler, yeah, I think that this is exactly what she needed because she's been kind of like ho-hum, but that's, other than Latia, I felt that way about. out all of them. Like, you could have, you could have mixed up the other three, and I wouldn't have bad to deny. No. I've been like, all right, I guess that kind of makes sense.

Like, a lot of them made sense. And maybe it's because he was actually genuinely trying to find a connection with everybody, and he did find a connection with enough of them and just kind of like weeded them out and just like left to the ones that he, like, thought he could have a connection with. But like, he's, this is a game, I thought. I don't know what this is. Is he the most genuine bachelor of all time?

He might be, at least from what I've seen. I mean, yeah, I've only seen close. Like, I would say so for, like, playing the field-wise, yeah, definitely. Because I'm sure the other ones, like, they had a favorite. They had, like, two or three that they were going to choose from, and the rest were just kind of like cannon fodder. He appears to be giving everyone a fair shake. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy to watch.

Even the ones who he was warned about that were, like, causing a ruckus in the clubhouse, he comes back in and he's like, I'm still going to give her a chance. Yeah, let's have a talk. Make sure she's okay. Yeah, let's talk about this. Why is she causing a ruckus? Is she upset about something? Are you okay? Is it something I did?

It's like, Grant, just fucking boot her, man. You're making every. Man in the world look bad. You're too good. By the time in this last, in the next, which is two weeks away, in the last episode where he actually has to choose, he is genuinely going to be torn. Oh, no, I know. It's going to be difficult to watch. I'm going to cry.

Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Yeah. Give me those tears. But we get to Zoe, and she is in New York City. He didn't grow up there, but she lives there now, and this is a risky move. but I like the move. I don't.

Because it might have been too much. Yeah. But I think it worked out because he did loosen up. They go to a bridal store and she planned a photo shoot. I think for an actual magazine. I think she has connections because she did modeling work. No, I know. She's a model slash tech engineer, which is still super impressive.

The way that she made it sound later was it was like an actual shoot, which I was like, oh, because that would be awkward. It's going to be very awkward if you don't be kind of weird. Like you're in a fucking wedding. dress. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's the guy that broke my heart in Cosmo. But, like, when it comes to Zoe, I can't get a read on Zoe either. It's tough, man. I don't know if it's because she's tough or like she's not fully sold on them or she's not sure, which is like very, very normal, reasonable, the correct reaction. Like, maybe you're not in love with the guy. Like, that would be normal. But I thought that

it was very funny that she started off with this photo shoot. She hasn't had a one-on-one date yet. I know. And that still is something that I think about. It's crazy to me. And he explains it later, and I'm not going to say I'm more confused after he explains it later, but I'm still just as confused. I mean, he did a good job of waylaying the question from the sister. Yeah, and I think that's what he was doing. Yeah, but it still wasn't like a great answer.

I still, genuinely, I feel like he just kind of forgot about her. He liked her, but he's just like, I don't think he forgot about her. I think that she has something over him, not over in like a negative way, but like he is infatuated with her. You can tell because even when he's. says later at the house he's like I'm my most vulnerable with her and I'm like that doesn't she's the least vulnerable

with you maybe it's because everybody else is opening up so much and she's not okay so it's like kind of bothering him in a weird way so he needs he needs to get in there scratch that itch okay all right whatever it is it kept her around long enough and like I like Zoe a lot but that's what I said to dev when we were watching she hasn't watched the season I was like

she you know she hasn't really opened up yet that's what we're waiting for we need her to open up a little bit and we get like champagne afterwards and they're chit-chatting about, you know, getting deeper and things like that. And I did note that Grant's doing a lot of the talking. He's pushing this conversation a little bit more than he probably should be. But she starts to open up finally and talks about how she resonated with him and a story about

his dad and being an addict and having vices. And she's like, you're not going to meet my adopted parents. They have a lot of vices and I've given them a lot of chances and I'm done trying. The door is open if they want to make. the effort but you're not going to meet them you're going to meet the chosen family in my life which is the aunt the uncle the sister and i think there's a couple of friends in there and thanks in there yeah so that's who we go to meet the quote unquote chosen family i'm always skeptical of a quote unquote chosen family agreed uh but they passed the test it's teresa judice's fault though

yeah probably probably she's she's turned me off to that that phrase but we get to the chosen family. And Cherise, the aunt's very skeptical. I like that. We need skepticism in houses. Because this is a ridiculous idea. Right? Like, it's crazy. And you need at least one person there that's like, hold the fuck on. Like, we have a good balance of people buying into it and acting

like this is totally normal. And the people that are like, yeah, this is fucking weird. This is bad shit. What's going on? That's what, that's the perfect mix. We need both sides. And we also need, and somewhere in the middle, we need the people that show up skeptical. And then by the end of it, they're completely sold on it. Yeah. You know what? Now I see what she sees in Grant. And I think this

has a chance to go to the distance. Correct. That's what we need to. I agree. I agree with that. But I thought it was huge. Again, I'm looking for little things. We're about little things.

She weeps when she walks in. I'm like, that's big. Yeah. Because that's the first time we've really seen you get emotional. Even when you didn't get picked for the one-on-one date, she was very composed and walked out of the room. This is the first time she's kind of cracked a little bit. So I was like, all right, good start, good start.

And everyone there says that she seems really happy. and, you know, what Grant likes about her, she's so strong and unwavering. And I was like, that's a good way to put it, because she is. And you get Zoe, Cherise, and Dave, the aunt and the uncle. And obviously, Zoe seems very happy. She felt very comfortable very quickly. And her big thing, she needs a strong man for a strong woman. Yep.

Makes sense. So, Cherise sees the connection. This is what we need. But there's still layers to peel back. Of course, there is. It's been three weeks. It'd be crazy if they were ready to calm down. Yeah, let's relax a little bit.

sureise for being level-headed. We appreciate that. But Faith, the sister, goes out and talks to Zoe and she says, I've never seen you in a happy and healthy relationship. I'm like, ooh, it's not a good sign. Not a good sign. And you're on a TV show to try to find you first. Yeah. But she also highlights the way that he looks at you and he lets you shine. Okay. So we, the skepticism is starting to crack. We like that. They're getting through to everybody. And then, And Faith, I thought, was the all-star. Yeah. Because no one-on-one dates.

Why? I was like, we wanted to know this too. Reasonable question. Thank you, Faith. Yeah. We put our faith in you. Also shows you that, like, Zoe getting this far, she's still worried about the one-on-one dates.

As you should be. Talking a faith about it. Because it's weird that you're at hometowns and you never had a one-on-one date. And he says, I felt like I or she was holding back. I was like, that's fair because she was. Yep. You don't want to put it on her. He was.

maybe he was because she I don't know she's just guarded and that's okay she's protecting herself and he says we had this last conversation and it kind of broke that wall down

and I knew that I wanted her to go this far like all right again I think he did a good job of sidestepping a little bit I still don't get it because he should have had

a one-on-one date with her but he did a good job as he usually does of being able to like yeah I think he saved face value for face value You saved face? Saved face.

Yeah, I don't know why I said face value, whatever. He saved face with faith. I think that's probably why I was messed up. Oh, face of faith. Yeah. But for those of us who have been watching the whole season, we're still very confused. Well, you shouldn't be. The best thing that I can come up with is just that he liked her.

He thought she was good. And, like, I can see it from a perspective of, yeah, you know, I always thought that, like, we had a good connection. So I didn't really need to do that because, as we saw with Grant, the whole season, he's giving these women multiple chances and trying to make sure that he exhausts all of his options, making sure that the people who have maybe hung back in the backgrounds that had a good connection, had a chance to sit there with him one-on-one and talk about it.

That's, I guess, what he was doing, and he's like, I'm confident with Zoe. I'm good with Zoe. That's moving forward. I think that's what he was going to go. I think that's what he probably should have said. That's what I thought he was going to say. That's what I thought he was going to say, too. But realistically speaking, I think that he did have a good connection with her, but he got

so hyper-focused on everybody else, and then he was sitting there like, oh, yeah, Zoe's still here. I do like Zoe. I'm going to keep her going. Why not? Maybe. Just keep her going. That, I mean, I think that's probably what it would be.

It definitely could be. But the big question was, you know, you've heard about our adopted parents and you've heard about the shit show, all of that. Are you okay with that? And that's where it plays really well because he's like, I totally get it. And it actually makes me feel closer to her because of my background. So I thought that it went well with faith. They get the day, I love you thing. And he's like, I love that he was honest.

He's like, I like her a lot. But I'm getting closer. And he even does the hands. He's like, this is. love, this is how much I like Zoe, and this is getting me a little bit closer. Yeah. I was like, all right, I do, I appreciate the honesty. Yeah.

It doesn't really instill confidence in me, though. It's not confidence instilling, but at the same time, it is honest, which, again, I don't know what the other seasons look like. Do every bachelor go in there and just love bomb the family? Like, I am crazy about your daughter. I think you have to say it by next week. Love? I guess it's two weeks for now. I think two weeks you have to get to love for else.

Because you're getting married. Yeah. You're engaged. I mean, you could get engaged. If you're still stuck on it, you have no chance. You could fly home immediately after getting engaged and start talking shit and then get back to Houston into your run club and be a total piece of shit and then go back on the reunion and have everybody drag you, Dev. Oddly specific. And fuck, Devin.

Not my wife. Devin from the Bachelorette. Yeah. Let's be very clear. That guy's a douchebag. Yeah. Devin, my wife is not. Love you, Dev.

But anyway, we get the whole thing. You can tell that we broke some barriers here. This is the most... This is what's so weird to me. Because they're sitting outside in the front, and he says, I'm the most vulnerable to Zoe. I've mentioned it multiple times now. And after this, he's more optimistic.

He's more positive. She's more optimistic, more positive. And she's concerned that she opened up too late. I still haven't seen her, like, open up with him. Yeah. She's gotten closer. She's gotten definitely more emotional, but it's still not... Maybe she feels like she's opened up.

like internally. Okay. Now she's like ready to open up to him verbally. I hope so. I guess that might be what she's doing. Maybe this is just like the type of thing that we see when a team's going to go on a run. You want to get hot at the right time.

Okay. You don't want to open up too soon. That late playoff push. Yeah. Maybe that's what she's doing right now. I'm down for that. I'm good for that. That's okay.

That's okay if that's what she's doing. She said something at the end of this episode that like I can't wait to talk about. I don't even know what you're saying. Oh, good. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I don't know what's going on. But we get to Latia in Wyoming.

I thought she was from Utah. But this is where she lives now because home was at Grandma Candy's house. But when she passed away, home is where you make it. Home is where you make it. Don't do it. Joe Dirt. Oh, that's a good movie. But Dev pointed out it just seems like a hallmark movie.

That's this gorgeous plot of land. Yeah. Horses. The fact that he knew how to get on the horse and ride it, huge points. That could have been a big. big stumble there if he struggled to piss me off about this what it was reminding me that we could have had alex in here somewhere we could have seen linda the llama again you you miss linda that much yeah okay that look i thought alex was going to go much for i thought she was too i know that she was

your first round pick wasn't she i wanted the llama again and what did i say i said she got first impression rose there's no way she makes it yeah yep jumped the gun i feel like she should have been like you got in here are you sad no not about my team this has nothing to do with my team The llama only. It's a llama only. Only the llama. Okay, that's fair. That's fine.

But a big positive for Latia, Grant's mom was a country girl. So he's like, my mom would love you. That's big points there. Again, you see the chemistry with these two. It's very, very easy to spot. It's electric. They have something that he doesn't have with anybody else. I thought he, the closest he came to this was with Juliana.

Yeah. Towards the end of that whole thing. I thought he got closer. But there's just something here. that you can't really put your finger on, which is good. This is, I feel like the most worried and, like, most nervous he was going into it. I agree with that. Like, the other ones, I feel like he didn't really know what to expect,

and obviously there's some nerves going all along with that. But I feel like he was pretty much nervous this entire time. But could that be because of the big question mark with her coming from a Mormon family? Could be. Because... I feel like they spent the entire time trying to tell him, like, hey, it's okay. We're Mormon, which doesn't matter to you. But that's good.

That is very good. Because you need to hear that. They needed to do that. that. I agree with that. And they tried to do it, but he was still very nervous. I feel like the entire time. I think it's just a different, you know, he's not, he's not from the country. He's never really spent time in the country. He's now surrounded by a bunch of Mormons, no shade. It's just a very specific religion. We've watched a lot of shows that have to do with the Mormon faith. And we've got tattoos, he curses, he has sex before marriage. The funniest

line that he said unintentionally was, I have tattoos, I have earrings, I like to drink sometimes. I do like to have fun. I was like, hmm, you just, you just implied that Mormons don't like to have fun. Or that you need drinking to have fun. Or both. One of the two. You took a shot in her family, or that you need booze, or both. Yeah. It's okay. It's somewhere in there. It's all right. He can slip up once. All right. He hasn't yet. So that was, that made me laugh a lot. But she does let it, let it be known that he is the first non-Morman man that she's brought home. I will say the one positive thing is probably that she's, says it's never worked out with anybody in the same faith so it's like all right maybe they're

open to the idea of having somebody else from outside of the faith and again he's noticeably nervous but i think understandably so because he's he's wondering do i need to be a Mormon if i want to be with her and my family's religious and my mom was overly religious and overly strict with it and that caused fights and i don't want to raise my family like that i want faith to be a big part of our life, but not to the point that we're causing arguments about religion, which is fair. So there's a lot of question marks. So I understand the nerves. And that's when he walks up, we see, I mean, by the way, their fucking house is just

ridiculous. They have all that land. I think they have a lake. I want to go there. And also I have, like on my bucket list is to go to Wyoming. It's one of the few states I haven't been to. All right. And it's fucking gorgeous there.

Yeah. I would honestly live in Wyoming. So if I end up scooting out there, buddy. It's fine. Technology works. As long as you have Wi-Fi. We get to this huge family and without being disrespectful. This is not me throwing shade.

This is the most Mormon family I have ever seen. They walked out of the house and I was like, oh my, they're all like ear to ear, smiling. It's Jackson and the whole crew. Come on out here. It just made me laugh. And not in a negative way. Like they all kind of like walked in unison too. Like there was nobody like kind of scattering.

Nope. And there were kids there. Oh yeah. But they were walking just straight lines. Yep. Yeah. It was just like us again, we've watched Secret Lives and Mormon wives.

Uh-huh. We watched Real Housewives of Salt Lakes, sold on SLC. We've seen these. We have the wrong interpretation of Mormons based on what we've seen on Bravo. Very, very. Now we're moving to real Mormons. And they seem sweet. They seem very nice.

It just made me laugh because the way they strolled out of the house, like just welcome to, I thought they were going to break out in song. Welcome to our home, Grant. May we grant you one wish, Grant? I didn't think about... Did you write this? No, but now I kind of want to. Grant meets the Mormons is my next endeavor.

But you get Maury, the mom sit down with Grant, and he does say to her, I'm falling for Latia. That's the only... I think he said that actually to Julian's dad, Carl. He did, yeah. So that's big, that's the only two that he said that with. But the first person to say, as long as God is a part of your life, that's cool with us. We don't need you to be Mormon.

There's no expectations here. You're a man of faith. We appreciate that. And I think that having that convoy initially probably lifted a lot of that weight off. Yeah, I'm sure it did. Yeah. And you could tell it was like a point of emphasis that Latia probably went home and said, hey, he's not Mormon.

That's cool with everybody, right? All right, we're going to make sure that he's super comfortable about that. And they're Mormons. I want all of you to start off by saying, hey, it's okay that you're not Mormon. Well, if there's one thing I know about Mormons is they are very nice. Anybody got any examples of somebody dating somebody who's not Mormon? Come up.

Come to the front. No. All only dated Mormons. Okay, that's tough. Well, just be, hey, don't be mean. All right. Don't be mean. All right.

Father's son, Holy Spirit. I don't know what they do with the Mormon faith. That's Catholic. Probably not that. That's Catholic. From the Northeast. But anyway, you get cry number two. Okay.

Grandpa and Lettia. Ah, Grandpa. That one. Now it's starting to make sense. Yeah. Grandpa got me because he was talking about his wife who has passed and just how amazing their love was and they were able to work through everything. It's just so sweet. Grandpa forgot what we were talking about.

Yeah, a little bit. She just started talking about his wife. It's okay. It was beautiful. It made me cry. That made you cry and I started laughing because I'm like, he just forgot what we were doing. Which, by the way is the perfect way to describe you and I. That's the major difference.

You better, like, grab his hand and be like, hey, hey, we're talking about grand hair. Hey, hey, grandpa, lock in, dude. No, but that's... He was a sweet old man, and he was just reminiscing about his wife. Nothing wrong with that. I just thought it was very funny because he's like, wait, what? Yeah, right. This, yeah.

Perfect picture of our emotions right there. Okay, I cry, you laugh. That's how you deal with this shit. But it's, yeah, it's all good. But you get morey with Latia. actually i'd be remiss not to mention that she tells grandpa first i think that i love him and what grandpa says back made me cry a little he goes what you're telling me is you've never felt like this and i was like there's no way he rehearsed that shit no that was beautiful grandpa

you can hear his oxygen machine working and it was just the whole thing got me yep i love you too grandpa but marie and latia sit down and she hasn't told grant that she's falling for him that's the big point of emphasis from her and confessionals, obviously going back to last week after the one-on-one date, she said, I can feel myself falling for him. And the producer pushed it a little bit more. Is like, do you love him? She's like, yes, I do. So everyone else knows. Great producing. Great producing. She should go produce Southern Charm. But this is what we need from her. We need her to be able to say it. She's very nervous to say it. She calls herself a scaredy cat. And as she's talking to Moray, she's like, I knew I loved him after.

the lonely stuff. The lonely stuff really hit with Grant. I guess it did. That's kind of his point of emphasis. A lot of loaders in this group. A lot of lonely, lonely people. Arguably makes sense because they're on a show to find love. It's a good point. I don't want to throw shade at these people. I love them. I'm enjoying them, but that makes sense.

Yeah. There's a lot of lonely peeps on The Bachelor, but her reasoning is very sweet. I want to give this is cry number three because I'm a bitch. Oh my God. I didn't. This one? Yeah, because I think Grandpa got me going. And I finally calm down.

And then she's like... Look, it could be a lot worse. It could have been a lot worse. But this is cry number three. Based on the fourth date. Yeah, no, I didn't cry at that one. I could have because I felt bad. But, you know, her saying, like,

it just felt like the end of a Hallmark movie where it's like, I want to give him a family home. And I'm scared to say it. Mom's like, he needs to know. And she's like, you're right. And I was he does need to know. That's what you cried about? Not during those...

Oh, it was a Christian. I started to get a little bit emotional when it landed on that. I was going to say maybe I could see you crying about, like, her wanting to give him a family saying like when I think about that lonely kid I just want to give him a hug that all of that you going to yeah so that's where I shared another tier I could be way worse I think not gonna point in laugh at you no I appreciate that but like I said I think it was just a buildup from grandpa and then I calmed down and

this happened and it also did seem like a hallmark movie like boy from the city moves out to Wyoming and she just recognized like a city guy going out to like he dressed like the mountains for the first time ever yeah yeah I'm going to get a plaid and some some khaki colored outdoor pants and some boots yep yep that was 100% city boy going out yeah yeah it's all good he tried she nailed it though she got the camo on she got like that was actual country so it's all good he tried but you get grant letia and she says it i'm falling in love with you and he says i'm falling in love with you too i'm glad that she didn't uh mince words here and drop the love i agree falling for you doesn't hit quite as hard as falling in love

Falling in love dropped the L word matters. So she says it. That's a good way to skirt around it too. I think so. The I love you is going to hit the hardest, but you got to save it. It's a late play because we saw that in the Bachelorette. Some people dropped it to the full-on I-love-you didn't pan out for something.

Now, one of the things that came from this, though, when she's talking to her mom and they're talking about the fantasy suites is, oh. She's done, look, this is her religion. That's fine. Maybe it's just also, you know, you've only known. known this guy for a couple of weeks, and he's also talking to other girls. All fair. All very fair in Bachelor play.

But he is going to be sleeping with some other women. He will definitely sleep. And he's not going to be sleeping with me. Good. Stand in your laurels. Yeah. Stand in your laurels. Stay true to yourself. Definitely. Don't crumble. Will this be? Yeah, exactly. That's my thought. She could get very affected by next week. Again, understandably so.

Because this goes against everything in our religion. And yeah, that's always, we don't call them fantasy suites. We call them conjugal visits. We do. And we are heartless bastards. It could. It could. This could be the downfall of Latia.

And she could go home. Yeah. I could see that happening. It might happen. Just not being able to handle it. And again, I would not falter at all. No. It's a lot to handle.

But that would be the one mishap, not mishap, but just where she doesn't make it all the way to the end could be because of that. I definitely could see that. But flip side, knowing Grant, he's going to make sure she's nice and comfortable. Maybe he won't bang any of... Oh, that sounds bad. That sounds real bad.

Boink! Make love? Do they make love on The Bachelor? Yeah, sure, they do, yeah. They're all in love, so... Maybe they... I feel bad for saying bang now. Maybe there won't be nocturnal activities.

Ew. That was worse. Not worse. On par. Maybe they won't... But do you think the Grant... So maybe Grant won't have sex with these other women? What I'm saying?

I'm respect for Latia. I don't think he'd go that far. If there's ever a bad... bachelor to do that. Unless he's just ready to he wants Latia and he's just going forward with the show. You still have to have two other women with you. I don't think so.

Not based on the connections we've seen. That's going to be the biggest question. It's going to put him in a pickle. He's going to be in quite the... His pickle's going to put him in a pickle. Hey-oh! Had to do it. Need it up. Thank you. But... Oh, hi, buddy.

Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead? Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish.

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weird and wild behind-the-scenes stories. Good morning Night Vale, with new episodes every other Thursday, get it wherever you get your podcasts yes even there let's get to chicago with dina let's get what the funniest part is i'm like oh they're obviously going to put letia last because they worked up this whole mormon thing he's really nervous about it he's got to go in there and he's going to just not know what to do oh okay we're getting to her a third all right we've got dina at the end this will be like pretty nonchalant that's what i thought because they don't really this is the thing with dina i was rooting for her last week just because i feel like whole carolina thing finally came to a head and i'm like good for dina she got her shit together

she figured it out she stood her ground she went and told grant respects that i'm rooting for you now but then i was quickly reminded there is no chemistry here that's what so my big thing i was like i was racking my brain because i hadn't looked at my notes and i forget things almost instantly i was like who's the fourth i was like oh fuck dina there is zero chemistry like i again very interchangeable for a lot of these women for the final four if you will anybody else could jumped in here. I feel like Dina's spot was probably the most compromised. Zoe doesn't really make a whole lot of sense because they didn't have a one-on-one.

Juliana, there is a connection. Latia, obviously, a big connection. Yeah. The bottom, too, I'm like, you could interchange them with anybody, and I wouldn't be surprised. By the end of the date, I was team Dina. Yeah. Because I was like, God, this sucks. I feel bad for you. But this is the most, and we tried our best

not to talk about it. It's the most realistic response. It is by far the most realistic response. No, I'm not coming to meet a guy that you're going to marry after four weeks. That's fucking insane. He met as a family and decided no. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, this is bizarre.

We're not going to be on TV talking to some guy that you met a couple of weeks ago who's dating other women. If that's the reason, fine. I agree. If it's because of religion, I think that's stupid. I think that was a cop-out. I don't know. He's a deke. He's an ordained deacon.

We do know about the Catholic Church around here. So it could very well. Mormons just met him. I agree. So that's my point. If you're blaming religion, that's the reason for not meeting. him because it's against your religion, I think that's fucking done. If it's because

you're being realistic and like this is an insane premise. Full support from me. Full support. Yeah, you did leave your daughter out on an island. No, you totally fucked your daughter. Like, that's, like, I felt so bad for her because she breaks it out like immediately, which I respected. She's like, well, let's sit down.

Like, I need to tell you something. My family's very traditional. Dad's a pastor. Or Dane Deacon. Idea of his daughter dating a dude that's dating 25 women doesn't sit well. I'm like, makes sense to me. Very reasonable. and they're not going to meet you. I'm like, that really sucks

because this is probably going to get you out of the game. I don't see how you can move past this, even if you meet up with your friends, like this is just too much of a red flag. And again, if the reason's because of being realistic, I'm on board. If it's because of religion, I think that's stupid.

Yeah, I think so too. But, yeah, it's just kind of funny to me because I already said, I don't feel like there was much of a connection between Dina and Grant as it was. So I don't think that she was going to go forward. to anyway, if, like, that was my choice. Now it makes it seem like, now she's probably not talking to her family.

Yeah, now she's not talking to her family. But also, if you're a grant, you're like, oh, that kind of fucking sucks. What are we going to do? Are we going to hang out with your friends? Kind of cool. I don't have to worry about, like, awkward situations with your parents. Definitely. Yeah, I'm just going to hang out in Chicago, go to a pumpkin patch.

Cool. That pumpkin patch, Papa, looks. Yeah, that looks great. And the way that he handled it was great. And in Grant fashion, he goes, how are you feel about this? I was like, wow, you're such a good dude. You can, you can. He always says the great thing.

Like, yeah, he just seems like such a good dude. But checks on her, and she says, you know, I'm, uh, it sucks, but I'm okay. And he's like, I respect it. It sucks, but I respect it because it's real. I'm like, all right. And then you go to confessional immediately after he goes, it's concerning. This is concerning. All right.

That's the response. Like, that's also a very fair response, too. Both are reasonable. Because if you are going to choose her, if this was Latia, the frontrunner, you're going to take her and like, none of her family's going to show up. You're like, well, this fucking sucks because I do really like this girl and I want to go the distance with her and I'm thinking about marrying her.

I'm going to have to have the parent conversation afterwards on my own with no cameras. Yes. That sucks. That's tough. That's a lot different. It's a lot different. But we get to the pumpkin patch

and I feel awful for Dina because she goes to confessional. She's like, he can tell that I'm uncomfortable. Like, I feel so awkward with this whole thing. And she's afraid that Grant's going to think that they're not as far along as they are and this is going to be a major setback for them and it probably is and it just is what it is

but we do meet the friends and the friends are all super supportive. Dina gets emotional and you start to see her finally loosen up a little bit which I was happy about and Rita and Lauren are the two big, yeah, they're the top friend. They're going to question Grant.

And the big thing that Grant says is like we're both providers and we're both the rock and I'm not used to that and they're kind of pushing that she's got this really big heart and like once you're in like you're gonna know tough response from him if you're just looking and nitpicking because he's like that's the dina i want to know it's like ah well this is kind of like the last chance to get to know her like that and you're already off to a shaky start by not meeting the family yeah but dana talks to and rita and lauren they're like are you in love

she's like well i'm falling for him and i do feel like this could be the end of the road with him and i didn't know if that meant like end of the road like we're not not going to make it. I think that's what she meant. Like, okay, it is. I think that's what she meant. Damn. Yeah.

Yeah. That's tough. Yeah. I thought she could have meant end of the road. Like, I don't need anybody else after him. No. Yeah, I think it was the other way around. I think this whole date was just her, like, accepting her fate.

That's kind of based on her reaction at the end, which my God, how composed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she was, she was prepared. Yeah. Because, like, I, her family, if we're going gameplay alone, her family shafted her. Yeah.

Like, she got screwed. Yeah. And that sucks. I still like, I still like, I still think it would have come down to, like, her and Zoe, but she may have had a better chance of her family showed up. Well, you never know. There's, like, a big connection with the dad and the vibe.

You never know what that could have done. But you get Grant with the friends, and he's asking about the family, because obviously he's a little turned off by the idea. And they're like, look, they're very protective, but once you're in, they're great people, blah, blah, blah, saying all the right things or whatever. Grant, I don't know if he's doing this to save face to make her feel better. He's like, I do feel like we got closer.

So, like, this was a better outcome. Like, today was amazing. And I don't know. I didn't buy it, but perhaps. Perhaps. Maybe. And I don't know. I think everyone felt the same at the end of the day.

Like, eish. Yeah. What are you going to do? You got a lot of room to make up with no time to do it. Yeah. Because next time he seems, Rose ceremony. But before we get to the rose ceremony, we got to check you with Joey, who is a local. He's from, like, Collegeville.

Yeah. Do you know that? I didn't know that. Dev pointed that out. You told me how hot he is. Yeah. Like, oh, he's so hot. I was like, all right, dude.

Yeah, relax. You got that last year when we weren't covering The Bachelor. And I remember, like, telling people what we were doing. And they're like, oh, you cover The Bachelor? Do you talk to that guy that's from around here? I'm like, no. We didn't cover The Bachelor yet. So I was like, no, I know nothing about this.

I don't either. He showed up. I was like, oh, yeah, apparently he's super hot. Sure. So, yeah, good for you, Joey. Back up, bro. Nah, that's fine. But I did like actually seeing the one-on-one conversation between current Bachelor and former Bachelor

because he's like, I didn't expect the feelings. like, I know, dude, right? Like, you didn't know a fucking clue. And it actually, you feel shit. Like, who would have thought? And he's like, this is the week. And it gets super confusing. When you feel something, take a beat, take a sec, let it sink in.

I didn't care about as much of this stuff. I just wanted to hear his take on Dina's parents not showing up. Oh, really? It's like the only thing that I was, like, obviously. You never really get it. It's just going to be like Bachelor talk back and forth. Like, yeah, you know, you got to do this. It's really tough when you meet everybody.

And then you have to make a hard decision. Like, yeah, of course. Duh, we know how this works. Yeah, but I liked it. It's a good sit down. He's not providing any perspective that I didn't already know. He brings up Dina and the family later. Yeah, I know.

That's the only part of it that I really wanted to hear. Okay, he's like, we tackled it together, brought us closer together, all that shit. I thought it was setting up for him to pick Dina. I wanted him. Like, I thought that that was going to be one of those things. It's like, all right, here's a cross in the road here. Like, if it's between, if it's between Dina and Zoe or, you know, I guess throw in Juliana, although that would have been heartbreaking if she went home this episode.

I would have sobbed But if it's between Dina and Zoe It's like, all right, yeah There is still something to be said For not having a one-on-one up until this point Sure And if this truly brought you and Dina closer together Because you got to see her in a vulnerable state

Where her parents didn't show up And she's feeling rejected And you were there for her And she was able to show up And be strong during that moment And it brought you guys together I wouldn't blame me for picking her That would have made sense to me

I thought that's what we were setting up for I really wanted it to happen And like I think that Zoe has a better shot to make it further but like a part of me was i felt so bad for dina that i was like what she said at the end i know i know we're going to get there we're going to get there but we get to the rose ceremony and obviously all we get the ladies all meeting up together again before we get to the rose ceremony because i haven't felt this bad for somebody in forever because they're going through and each person's talking about their time they're like oh i've met my family oh it's amazing all

these kids were there my aunts my uncles my second third third four, fifth, sixth, eighth, eighth, ninth, cousins were there. Like, literally, anybody that has any relation to me at all. You have a huge form of family. Yeah, like, and then fucking Giuliano's like, it was massive. All of my family, my cousins. And then, you know, it's always like, he met the people that mattered to me, my aunt, my uncle who were there for me.

And Dina's just like staring at the floor. And I was like, oh my God, I feel so bad for her. She's like, he didn't meet my family, didn't meet my family. I met my friends, didn't meet my family. And they're like, oh, great. You're good. And I'm sure all of them in their minds were like, fuck, yeah, Dean is out of here.

We made it, girls. Yeah. But let's get to the row ceremony. Dana's obviously sweating the whole thing. I think Zoe finally realized how much he wants this to happen. And Grant arrives. There wasn't a whole lot of preamble. It's just the girls walking on stage, how they're feeling in this current moment.

And we get the rose ceremony. We've already spoiled it, so it's not that deep. But I do think the order matters, because I do think this is the order in which these girls stay i think so too letia number one no shock there i was so fine i did a fist pump when juliana i got second and then zoie gets the third rose condemning dina and i just wrote at the bottom of my page dina no because i was i was sad and it looked like grant was about to cry when he's about to give the last rose and i'm glad that he walked out with her it's just it's a really tough situation because obviously everybody's just going to point to like your family didn't

show up like what do you want them to do don't think that I don't think that's the only reason. I think it plays a part, but I do, again, I just don't think they had a connection. And I feel like Grant going into it was like, I have a very strong connection with these top two. I have a pretty good connection with Zoe, and I think it could get better. I think that's where she is. Dean is not really there, but now everybody's going to look at me and say, well, you didn't pick her because her parents didn't show up. Right.

And, like, that's a tough position to be in for Grant. I agree with you. And I think if you break it down, that's the best way to put it. Letia, obvious connection. Juliana grew the most connection there. and then Zoe, I think it's like, what could this be? Yeah. And that's got him intrigued.

Yeah, I think so, too. From the jump, Dina felt like the odd woman out. Yeah. But after watching her go through that, I was like, just pick her. Yeah. Just pick her. Let her go to Hawaii or wherever they're going. No, they go to the D.R., which is awesome.

Oh, they're going to Dominican. And I, yeah, I wanted Dina to get through because I felt bad. But she was so composed at the end and to the point where I was like, maybe she felt this coming because of what happened. Yeah, again, I think she was accepting her fate the entire time on that. Yeah, that's what it felt like to me. And for her to go in the car and be like, you know, what this taught me is that I'm ready for marriage. I'm ready for all these things to open up.

And I said a prayer before this. And I was like, if he's not for me, I don't want that rose. And I was like, good for you, Dina. Yeah. Fuck, yeah. I became your biggest fan in this episode. So I wish nothing but the best for Dina. Yeah.

I hope she finds love and everything that she wants in this life because I pegged her to be the villain at the beginning of the season. So did I. Lo and behold, I feel like an asshole because she got smoked by her deacon father. Yeah. Like her dick and father, am I right? Hey, you know. Can I say that? You can say whatever you want.

Yeah. By the way, I think we need to bring back Rose and Thorne with comments because we got some really funny fucking comments. Yeah, maybe we should. Can I do one? I want to do one right now. I want to do one right now because it made me laugh. And I hope this person sticks around. All right, here it is.

And it's from YouTube. And I know you don't check the YouTube comments as much as the other stuff. Yeah. This one I loved. And it's from Elaine Rush, 4644. And it's, I don't even know what episode. it's from our summer house recap. And this is an honorary Rosenthorne right here.

It's a rosy thorn, which is perfect. And maybe we'll bring it back with comments because we have had actually an alarming number of people that have asked us to bring it back. Yeah, all right. So we'll do it with comments from here and out. But from Elaine Rush, 4-644, so my first time listening to your show,

and I was really enjoying it. Then you'd take fan questions. And someone asked, if, in quotations, you had to choose between Carl and Lindsay to leave, who would you choose? And your first response was, first and foremost, you can't make us do shit. That was so rude and unnecessary, angry face emoji.

Are you sure you're trying to build your fan base? To which I responded, LOL, you'll get used to our humor. We're glad you're here, hard hands. It's so innocuous. We didn't mean it. We love our audience, and they understand us. And that's why I said we're happier you're here. You'll get used to it.

We take digs at us. It's a fun back and forth, but we love that you're here listening. We sure do. It just cracks me up that your first time, like, you can't make it do shit. And she's like, oh, my God, these boys are aggressive. These boys are awful. Yeah, so, Elaine, we're thrilled you're here. We hope you stick around.

It's all in good fun. But, yeah, that made me want to bring back Rosenthorn via comments. That's great. It made me smile. But, yeah, dude, next week is the, I forget they don't call it a reunion. It's the tell all. It's the women tell all. Women tell all.

I'm pumped, actually, for Caroline this conference. coming back. I wonder if Beverly gets to come back. Probably. She never even got to do anything. She got sick and they, like, acted like it wasn't a... She'll come back probably and they'll be like, can she explain? I was like, what do you mean?

She got sick and she's off. She's done, poof. There's not as many people, and, like, maybe this is just a matter of, like, we're dudes and we just want to, like, make fun of the guys as much as possible. Like, I felt bad more so for the women than I did for any of the guys. On The Bachelor, it was a free-for-all. It was so, especially those idiots. I'm trying to think of like any, aside from Carolina, like, Rose, that's like kind of it.

Like, Chloe, I want to see again. I definitely, I loved Chloe. I still feel like she should have gotten further. Yeah, there's a couple, I guess. But, you know, it's always so much fun. I love the tell-all. That was my favorite episode last year. That's also where we got that weird.

Isn't that when Devin came on the show? Didn't they do it like after everything happened? Yeah, they did. Because then we saw, because it was that big deal with. Yeah, so this time they're putting it. before the finale. I think they usually do that. I think because of Devin being the biggest piece of shit in the world.

Yeah. That they pushed it. It's like a two-hour thing, yeah. Yeah. And if you don't know what we're talking about, that was a big Jen Tran scandal with Devin, who she selected in The Bachelorette, and he turned out to be a huge fuck boy.

Sure did. But let's get to some questions. Or statements. I feel like a lot of people make statements about the bachelor. A lot of statements going around here. This is a two-part question, but it's two questions, so it doesn't really count. From, oh, it's Angela.

Do you think Dina was out this round, regardless of her family, bailing or not? Yeah, probably. I think, yeah, again. She could have had the chance to work her way in, but I do feel like she was the odd woman now. I think it's actually, it probably gave her a better chance to make it to the next round with her family not coming. With the sympathy factor. Because it's a sympathy factor, and maybe it brought you guys closer together. Yeah, you can say if, you know, her family came and he had a really good rapport with them, it may have helped, but I don't think so.

It doesn't sound like it. It sounds like it would have been fixed to him. But the second part of this question is, I'm going to change the wording on it. Will he boink anyone at the fantasy suites? Did she say fuck? No, bang. Oh. No.

No. Yeah, we say point. We're gentlemen. And do we think Latia will be first and give a soft ultimatum? Oh, wow. If you do, I'm out. Yeah. Oh, it's a risky move.

Yeah. Really risky move. Look, I think that that's valid. if that's something that's really important to her. Crazy, yeah. But I think that's, you're, you can't dictate what he does with other women. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's going to be tough to see, but it's two weeks away.

So we'll worry about it then, I guess. That's so funny that she said, bang. Rachel Mickelis is another statement. I have a similar feeling about Zoe that I had about Devin last season, but I hope I'm wrong. Maybe that's her closed offness. She doesn't really care, and she's just trying to further her career. and she's a tech engineer yeah i know well model it's i don't know i don't know if she i don't get the same vibe no no because he was love bombing and went to he was an asshole the

entire time yeah and he literally went to jen's room and like cried to stay on the show like if you don't love me on me yeah which you know at the time i think we gave him props and i i feel like shit for doing that fuck devon but not my wife not his wife uh and then the last one here from jillian phoenix do you think there's a future for this franchise it seems to be totally dying. I mean, it's been on for so long that I feel like it has a future regardless. So, casting is going to play an important role because I do

think a lot of people find this as a boring season. I think Grant is he was an attractive contestant last year from like a marketing standpoint. He's a handsome fella. I didn't mean like physically attractive. Well, he is, but like I meant they could market him in a good way and everybody

kind of liked him. Yeah, okay. You see how he is and he's too nice. Too nice. And the, I feel like Casting-wise, there's not enough crazies, not enough weirdos. We need that. So we'll have to see how it goes. But, yeah, I think there's still a future. So it's interesting that they brought that up because they are not doing a Bachelorette this year.

And I wonder, because we talked about this last week, if they're going to think about, because I do think they should restructure the show. I think they're going to have to retool, yeah. Because I just think it's too long. There's too much dead air. We all have way too short attention spans. And they already shortened this season as it is. Yeah.

And I think due to TikTok, we all have these. attention spans of like 20 seconds. So I think you need to expedite. There's way too much dead air. Maybe more one on, I don't even know what the, I don't know what they do. More group dates? Maybe. Because I feel like those, you can get more action.

There's more people involved. Maybe combine another show with it where it's like traitors, but the bachelor now like, oh, you're dead. You can't get the rose. Or the thought that we had earlier this season where Grant brought his friends in there. And it's like, now you're dating everybody. Multi-batchsters. Yes.

Like that would be fun. Pick or lose? I feel like, I genuinely feel like trademark, by the way, right now, trademark, is that how you do it? Yep. Okay, trademark, copyright, registered? Yep. All right, sick. Patent.

Okay, any more? Nope. All right, sick. Multi-batchelor makes sense to me because if you get 20 women or 20 men with three women or three men and everyone's making connections and then this bachelor's into this contestant, but that contestant's into that bachelor, which is kind of loving, I guess it's kind of. Like, dude, think about it this way. There's a reveal for the rose ceremonies. So we have three separate rose ceremonies. Okay.

Three separate bachelor, bacheloretts. All right. And there's a, we'll say, there's some sort of. Is it in order? And so there's some not remaining? Yeah, no, it's not, yeah, that's like that could work too. The first guy picks the girl. Obviously, you can edit it however you want.

But if you say, like, I choose Zoe and you have a rose up. Okay. And then they say, show me, Zoe. And Zoe's not standing. ending in line for the right bachelor. She's in line for the other bachelor. She's out. Oh, so now he can't pick Zoe again.

It's a little too sporadic, so they'd have to send a lot of people home very fast. So here's what I think. I think it should be you get the three contestants. So three bachelors are three bachelorettes, right? And they go in order. So the first one goes. It's almost a snake draft. Yep.

So the first one goes without knowing who's still available. Okay. And says, I want Zoe. Zoe's already been picked by bachelor number one. So bachelor number two can't pick Zoe. Right. So now, but every week it reshuffles. So you can steal somebody from a team.

Okay. Right? I think that's the way to go because now you're going to have people that are into two of the bachelors or two of the bachelorets and vice versa. And now there's more drama amidst the cast because they're into multiple people. I think that sounds like a good idea to me. Trademark copyright. Just get a couple of like really sketchy executives in a boardroom together for like a 48-hour bender. Yeah.

They'll come out with some crazy rules. Yeah, with pasta. Yeah. Lots of pasta in there. And just they'll come out like, we got this rule and that rule. and then they're going to go here. Seven whiteboards and it's all scribbled out. Yeah.

That's what we need. Pepe Sylvia, Pepe Sylvia. That's, I like that. Yeah, that works. Yeah, so if we see that on TV, we're going to sue the shit out of you, ABC. All right, and we have, we have the resources to take you on. We certainly do. Yeah, I don't fuck with bros and shows. We don't have the resource.

No, we don't. No, we'll settle. We'll settle. We'll settle. We'll settle. We'll settle. $1,000. Yep.

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