Bros & Shows - Attack on the Gamers and The Secret Traitor REVEALED! (w/ BranFlakez)(Traitors ep2+3 Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

What's up Bros? We are all caught up on The Traitors and we brought in our friend Bran Flakez to help us break it down. In episode 2 and 3, two faithfuls are murdered and one is voted out... The secret traitor is also revealed but only the traitors know. Candiace continues to play a risky game by speaking up more while Rob and Rinna are doing their best to stay under the radar. Some of the faithfuls are starting to form factions and we are seeing a clear attack on the gamers. Who will be left standing?? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, the only way to really get into traders in a new season is to bring our resident Traders expert himself. So we got our boy, Bran Flakes, to join us today. Brand, how are you doing? Welcome back to Brof Bros. I am doing fantastic. I am so happy to be here. So glad we're back on Traders' track. So excited to chat.

You got some big shoes to fill there. Steel just called you an expert. I mean, that's some pretty high praise coming from Steel. You know, I appreciate it. And I don't disagree. I feel like I'm pretty. on the loop here. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be...

Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite show from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the on the shooter Magouter or what's up, dude? Well, I feel like I have to do brand the service of letting him know that we are going full scorched earth on the gamer community. And anybody who's a big brother fan that decides that they hate housewives, we're giving

a big middle finger, a big fuck you to those people because we got in trouble last year. And the game is just so much better now that we don't have gamers in the fucking turret. You know, I can't say I disagree with you guys. I mean, I'm sure we'll get more in depth with it. but I was very pleased that there was not that predictability of having a survivor and big brother person in it. I was kind of relieved when I saw the traders. I was like, this is going to be fun. I agree.

And I think that that's something that last year, you know, we talked about it a little bit in our premiere episode, but the gamers in the tower and they tried to overthink things way too early. I think that it got too complicated too early and they started looking at each other. And then we had infighting with the traders from episode one on. And it got pretty old, pretty quick, but not nearly as old as the Big Brother fans in our comments and DMs. Because you would think that we were calling their mom a bitch or something the way that they were coming after us because we didn't like the gamers. So I agree. I'm stoked that we have.

It seems like just a more fun tower right now. You know, we got three people that are really vibing. You got Candice, you got Rob R. and you got Renna, how stoked are you to have Renna back on our screens? I was really glad that she was a traitor. She's cracking me up. And I feel like they're doing like a good job so far.

They are. I feel like what we're seeing right now is pretty much what we anticipated. The gamers, the big brothers, the survivor people, they're all underestimating the Housewives. Like we know in the Housewife community, if we didn't know, which they did with the Secret Trader,

which, you know, flop or not, it was still kind of fun while it lasted. When it comes down to it, we watching Housewives know that Rina is a traitor. I would be going after her first. Like, look, this is what she's going to do. This is right in her wheelhouse. I would not be surprised if she was a traitor. And yet she's on no one's radar.

No one has dropped her name. Candice has only gotten some speculation because she's a little bit more outspoken. And Rob is very quiet. So no one's going after him. But Rina would be number one on my list. And that's just from watching Housewives. The gamers don't realize that. And yet the Housewives are talking about how they're underestimated,

that people think that we're ditty housewives and we're just not we know what we're doing here and we're going to get the gamers out first and that's the best way to do it and i know all the gaming community they're all a little pissed off because their people are going left and right you had to endure that you had this you had the spotlight for a couple of seasons we had to endure the fact that our housewives were out so it's just a little flip there's there's a lot of parody in this league if you want to put it that way yeah people are up in arms and like the forums that i'm reading and i was just like, I don't necessarily agree. I thought it was like a really fun, good three episodes.

And I made it because I wasn't like super attached to any of the gamers that came on this season. I love Rob Cestrinino. I love him. But I don't know. I just feel like it was a good strategy. I felt like the kills so far have been great. We'll get into it. But I'm not that upset with the way things are going.

And that's coming from someone that really only watches Survivor and Big Brum. brother. And is anybody on from the challenge this season? I don't think so. No, there's no challenge representative. Yeah. But those are the shows I watch and I'm not, I'm not upset at all. I think you look at it from a gameplay standpoint. If I'm a trader, if I'm on this show, I'm going after the people that play these games for a living. The difference is reality TV stars in the Bravo sphere and things of that nature, your job's to entertain. If you're on Survivor, Big Brother, and if you're a champion of one of those, your job is to manipulate and eliminate people.

So yeah, sorry, I'm going to have to try to get you out. I think that that puts more of a target on their back, which was why last year was interesting with the gamers in the tower, because you kind of had a flip-flop of that. Then they started taking each other out early on. But it gives us a different approach to the season. Now, before we dive in, I do have a question. Do you think that this season was mapped out the way it was with the Secret Trader

and with the Bravo Lebs in the tower, because last year went the way it went, do you think this is an intentional adjustment to the format to prevent some of the things that we saw last season? Yeah, I definitely think they needed to shake up who the traders were, because if I had come on in this season,

I would have been like, all right, we've got a housewife, we've got a gamer, you know, I think it was becoming too much of a formula. So I do think they really had to switch it up. and I think it's for the best. I was pleasantly surprised, like I said earlier, when I saw who they picked. And yeah, I do think last season, you know, it's a different game. It really is, you know?

There's no, like, just because you're a legend and survivor and Big Brother, it does not mean it's going to translate. It's completely different. I agree. It definitely is. And I think one of the funnier things that you can kind of keep an eye on, when they the gamers start dropping like flies, the gamers left in the group aren't even looking at the reality TV stars. They're not looking at the housewives and saying, you guys are getting rid of us. They're looking at the other gamers. They think there's more infighting because that's what we've seen.

And now everybody knows, especially last year with Boston Rob, Danielle, going back to back and trying to get each other out. They are now looking inside each other. They're like, oh, my God, this is a survivor guy. This has to be Jam Jam. Jam. Jam's doing this. Tiffany's doing this, like whoever it might be. And that's really funny to watch too, because yeah well Donna was very funny Donna was just she was out on an island by herself because she didn't make any any sort of connection she wasn't talking any game which I'm surprised at how quickly people caught on to that I thought it was a completely like a false flag operation hey she's not making any connections she's not talking game derinda put it best I thought in this episode in episode two she's 74 years old she doesn't know anyone any of us she's not in these circles she's never met any of us before so maybe she's just kind of floating around like trying to make friends here and there, but she doesn't know what she's doing. She's just a mom. And I thought at the time, Trinda, that that's a really good point. Let's just leave her alone. It's more fun when she's just kind of floating around and we're seeing

her make more connections after she gets called out. But to think that maybe she was the secret traitor, I was like, no, absolutely not. Let's just leave her alone for now. Everybody thought that it must be this masterminds behind this. Like, who's doing all of these things. It's got to be jam jam. It's got to be some sort of gamer who's been in this. And it's like, no, I don't think is. I thought it was too obvious to do Donna Kelsey. I was like, of course, it was actually getting frustrating to me that everybody's chit-chatting about her, like, well, she would just be such a great traitor. And in my head, I'm like, the producers would know that going in. Like, everyone's going to assume because it's this sweet, quote-unquote, mother of America that she

is going to, you would make such a great traitor because you're so unassume it. I was getting really tired of that until episode three. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. I'll try to. I'm trying to. I'm to spoil it this early, guys. Yeah, as if that didn't already spoil it. But yeah, why don't we just jump into episode two the best we can? Because as you know, we're going to be saying things that happened in episode three during our episode two recap. But we merge these together.

So who the hell are you guys to tell us? That's how we protect ourselves. Just jam everything together. And you guys can't yell at us for spoiling shit. So let's start out this episode. Episode two starts out in the turret. And we have everyone talking our short list from our secret. was Rob Rauch, Ian, Mark Ballas, and Eric.

So that's who's up for elimination. Again, when I look at those four originally, I'm thinking, Ian, big hitter, big player, you got to get rid of him. And that's what they end up doing because we get to breakfast. We're looking through and everybody's doing their little thing. Here's my big question for you guys. Did Durinda deserve a standing ovation? That was my last question.

Yeah, should we start there? How do we feel about Durinda's return to the breakfast room? No way. That was bizarre. She was crying. I know that it meant so much to you and you cried at the reunion last year too. And then you begged to be coming back and you finally got back. Just accept the fact that you're back and play the game. This isn't something. And of course, of course, it's Dorinda. And of course she expects that. And everybody gave it to her. It was very funny to look around the room to see the unassuming people like, what are we doing what's going on here? You can tell how many people didn't watch last year and don't understand the impact that her walking into the breakfast room after the first. night does to everybody else. But it was really funny. And of course, only Derinda would do that. I loved it. I was scared when this season started that they were going to do the ultimate troll and

get rid of her again first. I wanted that. That happened on Survivor where this girl was voted off first and they brought her back for another season. Then they voted her off first again. Perfect. I love that. I was like, are they going to do this to Gerinda?

But it cracked me up. They should have because she's walking in there as though she is, I don't mean the traitor as in like an actual trader. I mean, the trader as in the name of the show. Like she is walking in as the traitor. She's walking in going, this show's about me this season, guys.

Part of the new out of that. Nobody is Alan. Okay, let's just get that straight right now. What a gem of a human being. I love that guy. But Dorinda, I actually like this false confidence that she has coming in

because the way she's approaching everything is as though she's an expert. everyone there, if they survived one day, has now been there as long as you have. Like, that's the best part. But she's walking around like she won the season last year. So I love this that we're getting out of her. I've actually read a lot of people that are irritated with it. I'm not.

I think we should lead into it more. Yeah, 100%. Now, as we look around this room, we find out that Ian is the one that got murdered. Are we looking at anybody's reactions right now? Who's playing this well? Do you think that Candace is doing too much in the toasts and the things like that by taking charge? I don't know if she took charge this episode or next episode, but she has been speaking up a lot overall.

Is she running the risk of doing too much? Not in this moment. I don't think so. Because I think we're still so early in the game that people don't realize you need to watch reactions. It took until like episode seven or eight last year for people to realize, oh shit, we should be looking at their facial reactions when people walk in the door. Are they surprised or are they putting on an act? So I don't think anybody's really looking around right now.

I'm personally looking for the secret trader. That's kind of what the traders are doing right now. They're sort of enveloped into like, I need to try to suss this one out because I need to figure out if they're going to be on our team or if they're playing us against each other. Do they know who we are, is vice versa, back and forth? So there's a lot of that going on. But I don't think anybody's really paying attention to the reactions when somebody doesn't

walk into that room. I think the person who made themselves the biggest target in this area was Tiffany. I agree. He gave her toast to Ian. And I think there's like probably some backstory there because Ian was on Big Brother All-Stars a few years ago. And he talked about kind of his background and being on the spectrum. And I feel like she wanted to kind of take a chance to like honor that. And maybe just say like, hey, guys, like, you know, this is how Ian is and this is whatever.

But it wasn't a good thing for her. I felt like that was a major oversight because I think it did make it look odd. That's funny. You said that I have been locked on to Tiffany these two episodes, two and three. And I feel like her, not obsession. That's the wrong word. She's right to be wary of Rappaport because he's just a big pile of shit. But I think that it's starting to play against her a little bit.

I think that by being so suspicious of Rappaport and speaking up a little bit too much about him, I think she's actually drawing a lot more attention to herself. And she wasn't that first episode, the second episode, not as much, but it's starting to build. By episode three, she's speaking up a lot. And I think that she's bringing a lot of unnecessary attention on herself in trying to out Michael as a potential traitor. So I've got my eye on her. I actually after this episode was locked it on her as the secret trader until obviously we get to episode three.

But let's keep trucking because now we got some deliberations after breakfast. And I love Porsche. I love Porsche. She's great on her show. I don't think that she's geared up for this game. We have a lot of missteps out of her. A lot of me. Yeah.

Well, here's the thing is, and people forget this because Porsche has been on House. for so long. Somebody put this on Twitter. It takes this show will take you back to your base function. Porsche has always been pretty dumb. She's always misspoke. She's always said dumb shit. So this kind of brings you back to that. All we've been focused on when she's on Atlanta is what's your storyline?

Are you going to get involved in other people's stuff? Are you doing this or that? Like, what are you going to share from your life? And she doesn't misspeak that much because she's around people that she understands. We haven't seen her like this in a long time. This is what she used to do on Atlanta years ago was say, really off the wall stupid shit that doesn't make any sense

or somehow involves herself in something that has nothing to do with her and then people are going after her. So she hasn't done this in a while but we forgot about that. And I love that we're getting not only that, but we're getting Rina and we're getting Rina at her best too because we were so tired of Rina but for whatever reason you get on this show

it's the Tom Sandoval effect. You have a different light around you. You are actually really enjoyable even though we didn't like you while you were on the Bravo show. So it's very funny to watch that. Portia miss speaking. I didn't, did you even think for a second that she was the secret trader while she's talking everybody and using I when she said I killed Ian or when we killed Ian last thing?

No, I didn't think that at all. It just was very clearly her miss speaking. But again, it's so obvious. And this early in the game, this is the only evidence that people have to go off of. So of course they're going to start talking about it. And I think that was, go ahead, Brian. Yeah, no, I mean, I didn't watch Housewives, but when I was watching, her mystique i was like she just doesn't know the game i was like she's just saying thing she she's just

there to be there um but to your point shooter i was like but they have nothing to go on in the beginning so they're going to pounce on it and i think i would too you know but i don't think i would have pounced on it or i hope i always speak about this show like i would definitely not do that i would say i would hope that i wouldn't lock on to that because it did seem like she just misspoke it didn't seem like that big give a deal but you have somebody in the room like Ron and I was talking about this last episode. Ron is a very smart dude and Ron is a quiet dude and that's how he's playing this game. And I figured that him witnessing that he was going to put that in his back pocket, but not double down on it.

I thought he was going to be like, oh, that's interesting. The problem is he hears her misspeak again in about five or 10 minutes. And that's kind of the nail in the coffin. Yeah. She she doubled down pretty quickly. and the only other person in that room that was there to hear it was Donna, which is funny because we haven't seen Donna really interact with anybody. So while we're on the way to the mission shortly after this,

that's when the two of them gets to talk. And now they're bringing other people into the fold. Like, yes, I did hear Portia say that. But it wasn't such a like an accusatory sentence. It wasn't, all right, we need to go after Portia. Like all of a sudden it flips. And it's like, okay, round table, we have to do this. It's more of a, let's just keep our eye on her.

And of course she's going to misspeak again, do the same thing a couple of hours later after the mission, which was very funny. But it was enough to at least open some eyes here and there, which is probably the best way to do it again early in the game. You don't have anything to go off of. But when it comes to Ron, his idea of, look, I've got evidence. I'm just going to bring it to the round table. He's now in that sweet spot where the traders don't need to kill him because everybody

out the round table is going to look at him. And it's either sloppy gameplay or it's a misdirection. So no matter what you do, you can keep him alive as we see all the way through episode two and three, there's no reason to kill Ron because he's a great scapegoat. People are still going to keep their eye on him. And we see this. And it happened a couple of times last year where the people at the roundtable, the people while they're discussing who might be a traitor and who's not, they're doing the right thing

this year at least where they're saying, look, we're all kind of locked in on one person. We have to get rid of this person. Otherwise, we're just going to do this every single time. And we're never really going to be able to move forward. We have to do this for the faithfuls. And I think being a bad faithful is a great theme for this season, which I I think they picked up on very quickly. Completely agree.

I think we have a few bad faithfuls. And I think it's interesting that we have, as you already pointed out, like we have people locking in on that. That's something that we didn't get last year because it was so chaotic that people were just going after people that came after them. I loved the the herd mentality of I don't even think it is you, but we got to get you out of here because we're going to keep hammering this stupid shit home and we got to move on everybody.

Initially, I was getting frustrated because people started. voting for people that they didn't even bring up previously. I was like, why are you doing that? And then, thanks to Dorinda of all people, saying, and this is later in episode three, but she gave me my light bulb moment. She's like, sorry, Donna, like, we just got to do this because we need to be able to move on. I was like, oh, Faithful's outsmarted me.

That was actually a really good call, everybody. I know I'm jumping the gun here, but let's get to the mission. Mission departure. Donna is starting to find herself somewhat of a crew. I was a little hesitant only because she's partnering up with people that have a similar disposition as her. Like when you team up with a Ron, you're both kind of quiet and you're playing everything close to the chest. So I would prefer like a team up with somebody maybe a little bit louder, a little bit more boisterous and out there. There's a lot of people to pick from.

The fact that I get why because Ron did a commercial or something with Travis or filled with Travis. That's all it was. Yeah. I think it was also just one of those situations where it's like the first person that talks to me is going to be my best friend. The first person that brings me into whatever their theory is, I'm just going to run with them the whole time. And it didn't really work out. I would have loved to have seen Donna team up with like a Candace, like you said, somebody more outspoken. Because again, if you do something like that, you can pull the strings in a way.

You can kind of like posit your theories here and there with that person. But they're going to take all the breath. They're going to get to the round table and they're going to talk for you. and you don't have to do too much. But again, this target's already on Donna's back. We've seen it time and time again. We saw it at the first discussion with Jam Jam and Monet sitting down talking about Donna right away. And it's like she's so unassuming.

She's such a sweet mom. Nobody would think that she's a traitor, which means she's a traitor. So no one's going to move off of that because it's just, again, so early that it's the only theory that they had to go off of. Yeah. And she's such a big name too. I feel like she, everyone's like, holy crap. Like I would have been thinking immediately, like there's no way the producers are just throwing her in here as like a faithful. Like they've got to be doing something to her.

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Have you applied yet? I hope this year. I hope this year. Which one I don't know, because they've now got the one on NBC with just like Normies. But we'll see if I can get on either one of them because I really will. do want to play. I'm going to lobby for it. I think you'd be great.

I'm going to apply for the normie version. We're both applying for the normies. Yeah, I'm hoping I can fill in for the normie version because the worst that could happen, obviously, I mean, you could just get a denial. But if they tell me, hey, you're too famous. I'll be like, oh, me? All right. I can't do this.

All right. Wait, you're shooter, Magouter? No, you can't be on this. Okay. What's our strategy for this kind of game? If you're going to go in and you know that there's shields at each stop, When do you find the shield? Are you playing it like Colton? Are you playing at like Stanberry, who somehow weaseled her way into that chair the entire time? What's your approach to the

Chariot Mission? Yeah, well, they're not putting my fat ass up there first. That's for sure. So that gives me a chance to get a shield towards the end. But I don't know. I feel like when there's so many people left, like it's hard to say what I would do, but I feel like almost going for the shield makes you seem more selfish. And I probably, would have just chilled on this mission. Like, all right, there's only three people getting a shield. I'm probably just going to like push this chariot and mind my business. But who knows if I would actually do that when I get boots on the ground.

But I thought some of the people were a little aggressive in this mission. Yeah, it didn't make a ton of sense, did it? Like I saw, you know, Stephen Coletti actually passed his shield twice. He found them back to back in the first and second stop. But this was a little bit, it was sort of like that it wasn't the chariots. It was the boats last year where they had to stop and drop off at an island and a couple people had to drop off. You put yourself at a position if you're passing off the shield. But for this in particular, if you find a shield and you're a dude and you're a bigger dude, you're going to pass it off in the first two simply because you don't want people to be exhausted.

We have to go uphill, downhill, all this shit through the woods. I don't want to be on there because I don't want to feel bad. I don't want people looking at me like, fuck you. I'm actually going to vote you off because I had to carry your fat ass from the first to the second stop. Like I wouldn't want to put myself in that position. So it kind of didn't really matter. And I thought it was going to matter a lot more. I thought there was going to be a lot more discussion.

Don't call me Rappaport, but I thought there was going to be more discussion on who's getting the shield, at least early on, because it doesn't seem to matter in those first two stops. Obviously, Caroline Stamberry proves that wrong. But it really shouldn't matter because whoever finds those last two are going to get on immediately, no matter what, because that's when the eyes are on you the most, which is why I think it's so funny that Rappaport was going to be.

going after somebody on the last stop. Like I thought we were going to have a discussion about who gets, fuck no. Like, yeah, sure. You want to have a discussion in the first two stops. Go for it. If you're lucky enough after the third stop, somebody's not going to boot your ass out of there.

But no, we're not having a discussion, you dumbass. We're going to take the shield. I'm going to protect myself. If I were to pass it to you, everyone's going to look at me and say, why is this guy not afraid? Why is she not afraid to get on the chariot? I don't really understand this.

Maybe she's a traitor. Maybe he's a traitor. Then they have to go to the round table and discuss that later. I'll put the target on my back, so Rappaport can go sit in the chair, fuck off. Yeah. Rappaport, he thinks that, and we talk about this a lot.

Like, he thinks that he is the foremost expert on this show. He thinks that he knows exactly how to do every single thing, even though he's never been on it before and has already made so many missteps along the way, but he still proclaims like he's the king of the show. He has brought so much unnecessary attention on himself. I'm so shocked that he hasn't been killed just to get him the hell out of there. And I know that we have to work with the short list. So obviously that plays into it.

But yeah, I agree. I don't know why we're wasting so much time on the last. If you want to argue stop one or two maybe, like, hey, to start the conversation of, whoa, whoa, maybe we should be a little bit more strategic with this, like who's feeling vulnerable? That's one thing. When you get the stop number three and everyone's gunning for a shield because they know if they get the shield now, it's immunity, no Jam Jam's not going to get off the chariot for you. Like, what are you talking about?

And why would he? You guys aren't buddy, buddy, buddy. He approaches this show as though it's get Michael to the finish. Jam Jam doesn't give a shit if you make it or not. By the way, most of us want you off the show. So no, he's not going to give it up. I would be remiss not to mention the Darin from Mara. Yeah.

I'm getting off of her chariot. I love that. But yeah, the bringing it up in the third one and then bringing it up again so many times after the fact. As evidence for why Jam Jam, as a traitor. Like, that didn't make any sense. And again, it's so bizarre to me, too, because he even said, and I don't remember if it was confessional or if he was talking to someone, that he'd watched this before,

that he'd watched it a lot and he's an expert on this. And he understands how the gameplay works in this. And yet every turn, it seems like you're a fucking idiot. The only person who calls him out on that is Dona Kelsey, who's like, I think you know this game a lot better. And then everyone's like, oh, yeah, maybe he does. Maybe that's why he's being so boisterous. But again, I don't think he does.

Like, I really don't. I think he probably thinks he does. he thinks he's smarter than he actually is and i think i agree with you he does look at this like i should be up here i should be the one that people are protecting and again why that doesn't make any sense why would anybody want to protect you yeah i can't stand michael if i was in there i would just vote him off like i hope they have the same conclusion that they have you know with the others so far just be like we got to get rid of you because you're going to distract us so bad yeah he does whether he's trying to be beneficial to the group or not just the way

way he comes about is so aggressive and he just like immediately. And he blames that. I'm so sick of his New York City stick. We get it. We fucking get it, bro. You're from New York. You're tough. You're different.

This is how I am. Like, go fuck you. No. Well, did you see he's getting, he's getting a ton of hate on Twitter too? I clicked on his Twitter just to see all of his fucking replies. One of his replies, he's like, I'm not going to listen to any of those day thems because there are no day thems. It's like, oh, we're doing this now, Michael, are we?

This is great, buddy. Yeah, and then his next tweet was like, these are the kicks I'm going to wear when I'm the mayor in New York. I'm like, dude, if you're ever the mayor in New York, I think everybody will actually move out. I know people claim that they would when Mom Donnie won. They weren't going to fucking move out. They were going to be fine. If you win, I would move out of New York if I live there. Absolutely.

You're going to run that shit to the ground. He's insufferable. He really is. And I do think I'm keeping an eye on how people are approaching him. And I think the only person that I'm really looking at right now, who I think is a good dark horse. is Natalie. I mean, she's flying under the radar, but you can tell she's very smart. She's very capable. Me and Steele commented on this last episode. She's fucking jacked. I mean, she grabbed the coffin out of the water and just like whipped it around and throw it to the back.

Like that was fucking great. But she even said at the round table a little bit later, I don't know if you're a traitor, but I can tell you right now, you're a bad fucking faithful. And then immediately afterwards, everyone's like, yeah, that's a really good point. That doesn't put a target on her back that says that she's playing the game the right way and she's a good faithful. So I really like her approach and at least puts that in people's heads because this isn't like, and we talked about Tom Sandoval a lot last year, he was very enjoyable. He was a terrible faithful because he was always pulling misdirection just so he could get some sort of revenge on Dolores for saying his name, mostly because people turned on him because he said that women are better cheaters than men. So there were a lot of things that went into it. But again, he was not that insufferable. He was just a goofball and he had a couple of great moments, but he was an absolute moron in a terrible faithful. Rappaport is just like, we can't stand watching him.

I can't imagine being in that castle with him. He's awful. Yeah, I said last episode, he's the, he looks like the embodiment of the clap. Yeah. Something along those lines. He's down in St. Barth. He's got that weird strain down in St. Barth that, uh, Bethany Brankle's spreading. Yeah, there you go.

Well, we're deliberating before we get to the round table. And it looks like the traders are trying to lean into the Porsche thing, which I think is the smartest move. Whether you want to get rid of another housewife or not, it's just too easy because you've got, you've got this domino effect set up at the moment because of Porsche. And then from Porsche, you can go to Iran and so on and so forth because the people have been making claims. So it, it's kind of a no-brainer. So I get why the housewives are leaning into it. I think Derinda's the one that defends Porsche weirdly. I think she sticks up for at one point. But it doesn't really matter. The two main focuses are Donna, that's being led by Colton. He's trying to push that one

really hard. And then on the other side, you've got Portia. And as things start to break down, I think, unfortunately, what she said is just simply too damning, whether you really think she is or not. I think you have to get her out of there because that's also looking at bad, faithful behavior. If she's going to say stuff like that, she's going to throw people off for the rest of the game. Yeah, agreed. agreed. I got to say, though, like, I don't know what, I can't stand Colton either. He's like, oh, yeah, we can't either. He's coming in right behind Rapoport for me. Like, I just don't, so I saw someone today post that he's, like, trying to give Pilot Pete. And, like, I kind of agree

with that, but yeah, he's just pissing me off, too. Like, who, like, nominated you as, like, captain and, like, gave you all this, like, he's, he's, I can't stand him. I hope they kill him soon. Yeah, I can't wait for them to kill him. He's driving me up a wall. And again, we talked about it before. He's not a good dude. I mean, he was stalking his ex. He had all this shit going on. He put like an air tag in her car without her knowing while they weren't dating. He's bizarre. And then he came out and everyone's like, oh, well, you know, good for him. Maybe that explains it's no, that doesn't fucking explain it. No, he's a terrible guy. And I think he's trying to give like late season Dylan Ephron from last year where it's like, no, Dylan actually went

through a whole process. He got tagged along by Boston Robb, which worked out in his favor and Boston Rob's favor. But by the end of the season, he was putting things together. And then he kind of took charge. He was almost the guy that they nominated at that point because everyone was in such disarray. They had to turn to Dylan because it seemed like he was on the set of a couple of people. And he put himself out there once, pulled himself back in. Colton's not going to do that. Colton's like trying to do this practical magic bullshit where he's like, yeah, I just, I'm going to be kick of myself if I don't vote for Donna. It's like, why?

It's again, so early in the game, you have nothing to go off of at least say something like, and I think somebody at the other end of the table, whether it's Tiffany or whoever, says to Donna, like, I have to vote for you because it's just, it's true. Like you are kind of on the outskirts. You're not making any sort of relationships, no connections. You're not talking game with anybody. You're very quiet. And I get it.

But at the same time, it is a little suspicious. And that's all we have to go off of aside from what Ron just brought for portions. So it makes complete sense that it would be completely split. I liked this. Again, we got very close to a tie. We did have a tie last year at the end, but there was only like four people left or five people left, I think. Is that right?

So I'm looking forward to hopefully. Yeah, but one of them, I don't know, whatever. Yes, you can because somebody could vote for another person, idiot. Come on. Oh, yeah, right. But that being said, I wanted a tie in this format because that's fun. If you have a bunch of people out there and there's 15 people on the board, that's going to be a very fun tiebreaker.

But we don't get that. Eventually it comes down to it. I think it was like, what, nine to eight? There's so many more people at 15. I was way off on that number. I think it was like nine, eight and then four for Michael. So they get Porsche out. Portia stands up there.

I thought she was going to have a better speech than this, but it ends up full faithful. Who didn't see that one coming? Again, she was just miss speaking. It's not that big of a deal. But I like that they're going this route at least. They're not trying to jump to conclusions. they're not dealing with faulty evidence. Ron brought some evidence to the board.

Now she's a faithful. That puts a target on Rob. I'm sorry, but that's the way that it works. Yep. And I think that I like the fact, and we mentioned it earlier, that we have people following suit. Like we don't have a group of faithfuls that are just throwing, last year drove me nuts

that we would have five votes for this person, four votes, one random vote for somebody that didn't like somebody else with no strategic advantage whatsoever. It was just like an emotional. vote. So far we have I'm sure we'll get some of those as we get into this, but so far we have people really trying to play the game. So I really appreciate that. And from this roundtable, we now have new people that have targets. We got Ron is probably number one. Eric is the one that points out, well, Rappaport, regardless of whether you're a faithful or a traitor, like you throw us off every time you open your mouth. And of course, he has to turn into fake hard or tough guy and start yelling at people. Oh yeah. Well, listen up. Listen up. Listen to shut up. I'm so. sick of it already. But we got a little twist at the end of the game. We got a murder in plain sight. We have to go and find the cards hidden in the kitchen, take that card and burn it in the breakfast room, and that's who you're going to kill. So the traders get together. They're going to figure this

whole thing out. I thought, and maybe it's because of how she started the game. And we talked about this episode one. Candice is taking risks by speaking up more, but you do have to have that traitor that's going to be the voice because of things like the conga line. Now, personally, if I hear conglon, I'm going, traitor. But because she kind of set it up, it was a little bit alarming where people are like, huh, but not enough for everyone to be like, that's random as shit, especially when you have Rina, who has been, and this is her biggest attribute is Rina is always here, no matter whether she's a traitor, faithful, housewife doesn't matter. Rina is Rina and always will be Rina.

So her quirkiness, she can just play into him. They're like, oh, you're so crazy. And she's like, no, you're crazy. No, you're, Kanga. And boom, it works. And nobody is any of the wiser except for one dude. And he is a gamer and he's a very good gamer. And Rob C starts to perk up.

He goes, huh, I think we're murdering and playing sight. And I was like, wow, he's really good. Yeah. Yeah. Poor Rob. I know. That was Brand's guy. I mean, again, I thought that this was going to be one of those things where Steele and I talked about this last episode, where they do a little, a camera magic, a little editing magic.

He was on it. I mean, he was right on it. That conga line started. And he's like, don't let them put anything in your drink. He would act like, he acts like a club in the middle of fucking New York City at like 22 years old. He's like, hey, make sure you keep your hand on your drink. I don't want anybody handy anything. Nobody's slipping anything in here.

don't let them touch you in the back. The only thing that I think he would have missed in that scenario is he didn't join the Cogolai. Maybe that would mark you for a potential traitor kill. So he was thinking, I loved that he did that and actually hid in the other room. Who was he with? Was he with Tiffany talking about this? Yeah.

Him and Tiffany were just hiding out. Candice. Candice was in there too. Candice was a little bit later. Yeah, Candice heard that in the kitchen after while the distraction was going on, which like you said, it does kind of put its target. on Candace's back, you would think it would be a lot more than it is, but it's really not. Only one or two people are talking about it.

Rob's the one who goes out, and Rob's biggest thing is he only told two people. He only told Tiffany and then he told Candace a little bit later, hey, I think they're doing a murder and playing site tonight. Just be aware. Don't let anybody come over to you. I don't know exactly what it is. But going back, I think it was the first season of Traders U.S. is that exact same scenario.

You have to hand somebody a drink or you tap them on the shoulder and then they have to tap again or whatever it might be. So there's little things here and there. You can tell he's done his homework. He's looked into the game. He understands how it's going to be played. I didn't expect a murder in plain sight this early. We had one last year, which was very funny, too, where they had to go behind the bookcase,

which Rappaport and Tiffany did in the third episode, which I thought was bizarre, bizarre behavior, getting behind the bookcase in the middle of the day when other people can see you come out and you're being very secretive about it. How are you going to explain that one? You're going to go home. They didn't get caught. But at the same time, that's a lot. big risk to take and so is starting a conga line so it worked out really well rob was able to just

sneak back in there fuck this i'm not getting in that conga line i'll see you guys later grabs the cards flips through it and what a move to go sit down and play chess with brittow it really was but did rob sign his own death warrant when he walked back into that room by trying to avoid everything and by trying to avoid the played site mortar mrs did he walk back walking in there to watch those two play chess was Is that the final straw or were they locked in on Rob C because of who he is out of the gate? Do you remember who he was up against? Who is the short list? I can tell you.

The short list is Tara, Kristen, Rob C, and Monet Exchange. Yeah, I mean, I think he's the obvious choice out of that list of like who's going to be the first out of those people to sniff us out. I think they made the great move. I think that makes sense. Now, do you think, Fran, because Steele and I talked about this yesterday, do you think that the secret trader is the one who's actually making this short list, or do you think the producers are giving the secret trader this list?

And they're signing off on it to then give to them. I would hope the secret traders are the one making the list. Me too. Yeah, I want to say that the secret trader is making the list. At least I think for the first mission for sure, because there was only a handful of people to choose from. And I don't think the producers would have put Rob, are on that list. I mean, who knows?

Yeah. We watch too much Bravo, so we always think that everything's jaded now. You never know. Yeah. As soon as you say Rob Arr, being on the first list, I'm like, ah, it's probably just misdirection so that the secret trader doesn't find out who the traders are. You got to put people on that list. But either way, it's still very funny to watch the way that this all plays out. And this, again, is such a stark contrast to last season, because you have Rina and Rob sitting down playing chess deciding who do you think, think they come on to Rob and they go to the other room without Candace.

Candice is still leading the Congo line. Candice is still walking people around. She's still leading the misdirection. Hey, guys, you've got to go hit that breakfast room. She walks in late. They don't say a word to her after they already make the kill. Candace isn't upset. She's just hoping that they make the right kill.

They're on the same team. They are actually sticking to their guns and supporting each other. And they're so happy and it works out perfectly because they don't even know that Rob C has Candace cornered in the kitchen talking about. the murder in plain sight. So it worked out so super well. They're so happy with each other. And it's just working perfectly. And they're clearly a team, which is all you can ask for. Yeah. I thought that was great that they didn't get into a scrap about that and that we didn't have anyone acting emotional and being like, do we need to consult with everybody? And Candace

wasn't like you guys made the decision without me. It was very just to the book. Okay, John, cold-blooded, we did it. And I think that's going to really help them. Because we've seen in the past, you know, two-on-one traders. And once that starts to, the mistrust or the distrust and the turret starts to happen, that's when the traders start to fall apart. As far as this trio goes, I'm not seeing anywhere where they could fall apart because I think they just complement each other. So I'm going to eat my words.

Eventually, something's going to happen, obviously. Yeah, definitely. I do feel like this is just such a cohesive group at the moment because you have personality. that compliment each other so well. You got Rina, who's just kind of wacky and quirky. You got Candace, who is pragmatic but outspoken.

Then you got Rob, who's the strong silent dude in the corner. That's just they can cover all of their bases at once. And we see that perfectly in this final scene where they're trying to murder in plain sight because they trust each other. That's all we want. We just want cohesive traders for at least a little while

before shit starts to get wacky. But that takes us right into episode three. Show me your faces is what it's called. and we start out with Allen confirming that the traitors have successfully completed a murder in plain sight and that the secret trader situation is coming to a head, meaning if they were able to pull off this murder in plain sight, they would get to meet the secret trader, barring him or her, getting eliminated before they get to that point. Now, we're at breakfast. We find out that Rob C. got murdered.

I believe this is the toast moment from Candace. And I was, I had a lot of anxiety when she was doing this because it kept going. You know, she was like, it's like when you go to a wedding and the, you know, groomsman gives a speech and you think he's done and then he keeps going and then he thinks he's done. Then he keeps going. You think he's done is one of those moves. And I saw Rob kind of checking her from the corner of his eye. I was worried that that was going to start some tension amongst them because you're like, what you're doing way too much. But he didn't.

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The melted cheese, melted cheese was later. That was the same fit, I thought. Was it not? And then we had the cape later. Oh, yeah, we did have the cape later. I'm getting my fits mixed up. I got to have like a vision board for Allen's shirt. Yeah.

They're tough to keep track of, but every single one of them slams. So I don't really know. He was Starman. He was David Bowie last episode. It was a coffin in the first episode as well. Yeah, look, he just always looks great. You can never say enough about what Alan. it's going to be wearing him, how he's going to look.

But I did like that they didn't come right out and say there was a murder in plain sight and you guys are all fucking idiots. He said there was a murder last night and it happened right under your noses. And no one figured that out except for Rina who knew that it was happening anyway. So everyone is just playing a couple steps behind, it seems. They're so focused on themselves. They're so focused on figuring out why did Rob C go home. This is when you get, you know, people like Tiffany and Natalie who have played Survivor or Big Brother.

they're starting to think like shit all the gamers are going home what are we supposed to do here jam jam jam's thinking as well and he's still looking at michael which is very funny but at the same time this is a great opportunity to talk about the shields from the day before because i really thought that i was supposed to get a fucking shield i thought we were going to deliberate about this guys not the time not the place this makes no sense the fact that he just doesn't move on he just wants a target on his back i swear this is the only thing he loves the attention and i think he knows and even if he doesn't know this, his subconscious knows it. If he keeps talking and saying stupid shit, people are going to keep talking to him and he's going to get more screen time. And I think that's all he really cares well. It was a fun fight. It was a fun little scrap. It was a fun little scrap, but I think because Jam Jam kept his composure.

Like, if it had devolved into both of them doing what Rapport was doing, I think it would have been annoying. I just get so instantly irritated that he goes from zero to a thousand and then blames it on being from New York City. You can either fight or you can do this or you can talk shit. So I talked a lot of shit and I don't get upset when people talk back, which is wildly untrue. He is extremely sensitive.

Just go on his Twitter. He always claps back and it always goes way too far. That dude is not at all like the tough guy. So I'm glad Jam Jam Jam kept his composure because at the end of that, anytime we get a big altercation in front of people, it draws attention to everybody. But because Jam Jam stayed level-headed and neutral. in that one didn't get too amped up all eyes are on michael right now and don't know because it's so funny i don't really know why but at that moment i actually thought jam jam jam was the secret

traitor um i was like you know this makes sense they do want one gamer two guys two girls he he has been you know kind of doing some stuff and i was like i think he's the secret trader but we'll get to it but i was i was surprised well this is where it gets a little haywire for me. And this is where, again, the benefit of hindsight, looking back, this is where it gets messy. And I don't really care for this kind of gameplay from the producers, from the show, from, you know, Alan, if he has any say in this, why the fuck are we doing an early roundtable when your fucking secret traitor is the person on the hot seat? If we know anything, no, I don't think that's why at all. I think it's a complete oversight.

And this is what I'm going to call out because I think it's bullshit. We've seen this a million times. We've seen this on every episode of fucking traitors. When we go through a roundtable, you get a little bit of time to decompress. Other people have other conversations. Yes, there's still going to be people that suspect the other person who got the second most votes. Like, all right, my eyes still on them. I expected Colton to still say, look, and this was his Dylan Ephron moment, I'm still going to vote because I just have to.

I just have to clear my conscience. Shut up. Nobody cares about what's on your conscience. But at the same time, if we go into a mission, there's a definite possibility that four or five other people, are going to say some dumb shit or make a weird comment that people are going to have their eye on. There's going to be a weird car ride on the way back. We're going to have to see some alliances being formed. Then all of a sudden, Donna's just going to fade into the background.

She's only going to get a couple of votes from the people who still have a little spillover from the night before. But somebody else is going to be on the hot seat. Maybe it's Rapaport. Maybe it's Natalie. Maybe it's Johnny Weir. Who the hell knows what's going to happen in this mission? But when we get back to that round table, your secret traitor isn't going to be on the hot seat

anymore. At least there's a better chance that they're not. why are we doing this if not to just out the secret trader right away? Like it was very bizarre. They could have changed this up in a minute. That's all you have to do. Your big rule change is only going to last two episodes because you guys didn't see that she was probably clearly going to go out because they have to do this.

Like it made no sense to me. Yeah, I also thought it was weird. As a viewer, I liked it because I was like, cool, let's get some more people out. And I think the banishments are like the most entertaining parts of the show. And I remember, I think it was season two, where I was like, damn, they're like dragging this. We're going episodes with nothing. So I liked it as a viewer.

I was like, okay, this is exciting. But to your point, I didn't understand it from the producer's standpoint of like what was going on there. It almost didn't make sense either because then the next mission after that is a partner mission and there's, you know, people left out. I don't know if they thought that that was going to make for drama. If there was like an odd person out, but it was very kosher. There was like no drama around that.

So I don't understand what that choice was about either. I agree with everything you guys said. The biggest takeaway for me here is now I'm really focused on Tiffany. She started to perk up in my head a little bit as the secret trader because of how much she's talking. And this is what I was talking about earlier with the Rappaport stuff, because she's convinced that Rappaport's a traitor. That's what she keeps saying over and over again. And I thought that maybe it was trying to get everyone to look so hard at him that she flew under the radar with it. but I actually thought she was drawing more attention to herself than was really necessary.

And that's when you get them do their little move before we go to the roundtable where they decide that they are going to go sneak into the speakeasy room behind the bar. This was wild this early on. It's a traitor move. Right. Yeah. So again, I'm thinking, oh, Tiffany might be the secret trader. Maybe she's trying to set him up.

And she tried to like, because she goes out first or second of that. that room. She goes out first and then dumbass Rappaport leaves the fucking door open. But yeah, I thought she drew a lot of unnecessary attention to herself this whole episode because of the Rappaport stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was weird too. And just because of last year's murder and plain sight, I had my eye on that door and the door was open the night before. When they're all sitting in there prior to the Congo line, they do have that door open. So clearly they know that it's a door that you can go in and out. Why it was closed at this juncture, I don't understand.

You could have just left the door open. I don't really get why they decided to be so secretive unless, and this might be giving Tiffany too much credit, maybe she was hoping that people would figure it out. Maybe she was hoping that somebody would see them coming out and then turn over and be like, look, Michael invited me over. He really wanted to talk about something and he pulled me into this back room. I don't know. I thought it was a little weird.

And she's already pushing for him potentially being a traitor. So it could have worked in her advantage, but still it's a huge risk for literally no reward. Well, everyone's still deliberating before we enter the roundtable. And this is where that domino effect starts to take place because now you've got Ron. And Ron and Donna were the two that were pushing everything for Portia. I thought there was more eyes and conversations about Porsche than just those two. But everyone's pointing at them as there was only them. So now they've got the targets on their back as we head to the round table. My favorite question that was finally asked, And I think Tiffany is the one that asked it, but I'm not totally sure.

Do we have any evidence? What's the evidence that we have against people? What have we seen going into this? And I honestly think that this is a question because I don't think people want to get rid of Donna. I think that they think they have to. But I thought that this was almost an extension to be like, hey, if you have anything before we go do this, because everyone in their dog knows that they're about to vote Donna out. is there anything more that you can give us?

And Donna, to her credit, has attempted too little too late, but has tried to change her gameplay up. She's trying to talk to people. She's trying to open up a little bit, which I respect. It's just, I think it's too far gone at this point. And that's exactly what happens at the roundtable, because Candace leads us off. What do we think about that move?

Because now she's let us off, I think, both round tables, or all three round tables almost. Maybe not all of them, but I think most of them she starts us off. I think she's being too bold. You think she's being too bold? I feel like this is where you get those mind games that come into play. If you've already shown yourself to be a loud, boisterous person or somebody who's going to take charge, somebody who's going to lead the conversation, the second that you take a back seat,

people start to suspect things. Now, again, it's still so early on. And I haven't really seen many people. Like, they're all over the place. They're kind of doing the thing where they're going after people. people either they don't like or people that they just suspect purely because of who they are and their personality that they know of outside of the castle. But they don't really have anything.

Yeah. And I wonder at what point are we going to look back and say, shit, this early gameplay stuff really lasted a little too long. They have no idea what they're doing because that's what I'm worried about in a very funny way because I do think it's very funny to watch the faithfuls just scramble and have zero idea what's going on. But when it comes to Donna, again, this is what I'm saying. by doing it now, they don't have anything.

They're still reiterating conversations that they had the night before. Donna's only hope is that people are just going to turn their attention to Ron because he's the one who brought up the evidence. Now, again, you can have that discussion. He had evidence and other people heard it and other people know that this is what happened. And Rappaport was even the one who was sitting around,

you know, Portia and Ron might be loosely connected. Rappaport's still talking about himself and Jam, Jam, and all this, just throwing people off. And this is, I think this is when Eric is the one, is the time that he calls him out for just completely derailing every conversation that they have. And you're being the person who's jumping up in front of everybody talking about something else that doesn't matter. It's not on anybody else's radar. You're a bad faithful. Like, this is where we are. So I was kind of hoping that he might get enough votes just purely

being a terrible person and a bad game player that he would have to go home. And that would be one of those situations where he gets up says he's faithful. People don't cry. People aren't upset necessarily. They're like, ah, that just kind of had to happen. So I'm worried. that they're going to do that again because that's just such a waste again rapaport has to go instead it was overwhelmingly against donna like just an unbelievable amount and this is one of those votes where you don't want to vote for anybody else because then there's a target on your back why are you voting for jam jam why are you voting for michael it doesn't make any sense everybody's voting for donna agreed i think what was risky with candis speaking up is you have a risk in both if donna had not been a

traitor, then you get the Ron risk of like, oh, you look like you were really out there and now she's not. But now, if I'm playing the game, I'm wondering if it's like a similar situation where Rob from last season was so certain about Bob the drag queen because they were both traitors. I might be thinking after, did Candace just know that Donna was a traitor and she was just going after it? Like, I think it was a risk. I think that it might have paid off.

I mean, it didn't seem like there was many eyes on her after, but I think it could come up in the future. As of these first three episodes, I think Candace has been the most risky trader out of the three for sure. She definitely has. But again, I think you need that one person that's going to ride that line and understand that she may end up doing too much and be sent home, but hopefully they're able to continue their work without her. I thought this was too much. I thought her speaking up, I think she's getting a little false confidence now. And I think that is a lot of the times what we see is the downfall of the traders is they're like,

and we see them in the turret later and they're just like, they have no clue, like we're cooking right now, all that stuff. I think when you ride too high is when some stupid shit happens. And I think Candace is slightly overstepping that line, but she's still, she's still flying under the radar only because you've got Rappaport over there, bitching and moaning and jam, jam, nonstop. anybody with a brain is going to go, okay, well, Jam Jam's probably not a traitor.

You just don't like him. That's what's going on here because the whole shield debacle. I thought Donna did as much as she could. I think when somebody pointed out in the midst of her defense where it's like, okay, well, you just keep apologizing, but you're not really doing much more. There's really not much more for her to say because, you know, the evidence is stacked against her simply because of who she is. Everybody's thinking it.

And everybody went into this thinking, her only chance was to spin it on Ron or like you said, the hatred for Michael is so high that maybe you can convince people to vote him out. It's an overwhelming Donna vote. Even Jam Jam Changes his vote from Michael to Donna just to follow suit with the group, which I thought was a really smart move. Yeah. Rappaport voting for Jam Jam, when you know the whole room is going for Donna, is just at some shit we saw last year.

It's like it's far too early for you to be doing bullshit like this. And I'm really hoping that without the shortlist now, when you have the three traders controlling it, I think now we're going to see him go much. I'm hoping much faster simply to get him out because that's a, that's a win-wins. Nobody's going to suspect anybody if Rappaport goes home because nobody likes Rappaport. Yeah, but I don't know.

It depends because there's still so many players left. the game and there's so many random people left in the game that you can get rid of anyone and keep Rappaport around because all of the attentions on him for better or for worse, it doesn't really matter. And that's honestly the type of player that you want in the game. That's the type of faithful that you want to float around. It might even be the type of faithful that you want to give the nod to to be a secret trader later in the season. If he's still hanging around, then he's just meat.

Then he's just bait. And then if they finally do get him out, they're going to be like, holy shit, he was a traitor this whole time. That's crazy. That would be very funny to watch as well. So I don't really know. And going back to the Candace thing, if the rest of the faithfuls don't have anything to go off of, which right now I'm leaning towards the fact that they don't and won't have anything to go off of

because they're just not really picking up on anything, they will start to turn towards Candace. If there is some sort of misdirection and they do have some sort of evidence here and there for other people, then she'll just kind of skate through as she is. But the further that we get away from that, the less likely it is that they're going to be able to get Candice because she's not going to change her personality. if anything, she's going to get emboldened as people start to dwindle down because she's going to be like, oh, wow, there's so many faithfuls gone. Like, we really need to lock in guys.

And then she can really start calling the shots and pushing people in different directions. That's where the gameplay is really going to come into play. But I don't know right now because if you're not really seeing even the gamers that are still left, they're not really coming up with much, which is a nod to the traders for doing a good job. Yeah. I don't think that was good, though, when Donna kind of clapped back at Candice and was like, well, you could be a good trader for those reasons, too. Like that, like I said, I could just, if I was in there,

I would be like, um, Donna was trying to maybe push it on Candace because at this point she knows she's in a corner. And the only way to get out of that is to maybe expose a fellow trader. I don't know. I don't know. I'm a little, I'm a little suss of Candice right now. I think she's doing too much. It's fair.

It's a good point. I think that's a good point because 99% of the people in that room might not have clock that, but one person may have. I tucked that away to talk to their little crew about. And that's how you start a rumor and it starts to grow. Unfortunately, how I see it, I think Candice is going to end up being a sacrificial lamb for the traders at some point. I think it's going to make sense, you know.

I think she's done a really good job thus far while riding that line. You know, she's she's overstepped a little bit, but I don't hate the gameplay. I think I'm most impressed with Renna because we have a couple moments in this as well where, you know, for example, we're about to get to the cage challenge where we buddy up. I'll just lay out the scene for everybody. We buddy up with a partner you trust with your life. One person goes and searches the marsh or the loch for a bunch of skulls. You've got to stack the 10 skulls to get your person out of the cage.

If not, that person goes on to the short list for murder. Okay. So during this, as everyone's scrambling for, first of all, actually, let's do this. Who would you guys pick out of this cast to be your partner? Rob. You had to be obviously. He lives at a swamp. Rob R lives?

I don't think that's necessarily true, but there's probably a swamp on his Alabama property. I mean, I've seen his, yeah, I've seen his modular home that he shows off like it's MTV Cribs. It's very funny. Yeah, if you can't pick Rob, who is the obvious. choice, which Mara, Mara is a delight. I love Mara from Love Island days and her in this is so funny because her accent's so great. But of course, you get to see the connections that are being made. Michael and Tiffany still don't make a ton of sense.

I don't know what the hell's going on here. This is like, I keep my enemy closer than my friends type of situation for Tiffany. Who would you pick? Michael's just happy to have somebody. Who would I pick? Yeah. Not Johnny Weir. I don't know.

Somewhere, maybe something. I know what I would pick. Stephen Coletti, just because I love One Tree Hill. Mm-hmm. I would have 100% picked Stephen because I think he, one, I think he's a very obvious faithful. And two, I think he showed in the previous mission that he's not interested in, like, for the shields and everything. And he's also a pretty athletic person. So I think that he's like an all-around safe bet.

That's fair. What about you, Steele? Who are you pick him? I got Rob. You guys are cooked. What the fuck does that mean? Since when do you pose a question and you get to answer the question first? That doesn't make any sense.

No, I would, if I don't get to go with Rob, hindsight out the window, I really like Natalie. I think she is a really good game player. I would trust her. And I think that she is also in that same realm as Stephen of you can pretty much trust that she's a faithful just with how she's been playing the game. I would probably go with her. But everyone partners up. And for the most part, we get skulls pretty quickly. Johnny does not.

Johnny is scrambling around this swamp, this poor guy trying to find these. I think the hardest part was the stacking, not just the finding. And as we see, big bad Colton gets the shake so bad that he could barely even put that shit up there. That was wild. He was literally like this. He's played in front of people like thousands of people. He can't put a skull and skull.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't really make a ton of sense there. It seemed once you kind of went through it and lost it like once, you were fine. you understood how to stack it. And for whatever reason, he was just having a terrible time. Watching Caroline in the cage,

laugh at him the entire time was so funny. It gave me so much joy to watch her. I made the wrong choice. I thought that this was a pro athlete. Clearly not. I mean, we know that Caroline's got a history of dating athletes and things like that. So she understands how much.

Her and Serge? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, her and Serge. I think they had a baby, actually. Really? Good for them. Congrats, guys.

Well, during this, my big question is who has drawn too much attention to themselves? And do you really think that by going in the cage, you are drawing too many eyes to you because of the set up? Because there's a few people that start questioning who got into the cage. Is there anybody that is standing out above the rest as, ooh, they're giving traitor? I have a simple answer and it's no. I really don't think that anybody's showing their hand at all. And I just don't think that this is the type of crew for whatever reason. They're still stuck in that.

Like, I don't know. I have no idea who's a traitor. They're waiting for evidence to just like pop them in the face and it's not doing it for them. So they're not going any deeper, which again, you know, you got rid of two very good game players. So maybe that's why you don't have as many people leading the charge in that regard. But no one seems to be looking at things like that. I was even surprised that they started to question who was in the cage because I'm like, thank God, finally. but it amounted to nothing.

They didn't go any deeper on that. Yeah, I guess like maybe, I don't even know if I want to use the word in their defense, but if I'm faithful, I'm feeling like kind of good right now. Like we already got one of the traders out. We've got the gamer strategist going out. Like, I'm not, we have people that you like already can't stand like Rappapur out there.

Like if there's a time where, and there's enough people left where you can hopefully blend it and not have the bad luck for the draw that someone will get this episode, I'm not as stressed as I could be in the situation. You know, I'm kind of like, I'm probably feeling good at this point. Like, all right, it's only like two weeks in. We already got a traitor. Like someone's going to come up again.

You know, we've got a good read on this. But no way in hell would I be getting in that cage. I don't know. What is this? Like, this has to be like the most amount of quote unquote shields that maybe we've ever seen. You know, like out of 19 people, you go down to four. who are eligible. That's a pretty, you've got a big pool.

And now out of all of that, now you have a 25% chance of getting killed. Like hindsight is 2020, but I'm not getting in that cage. That's a good point too, because they did go down to four, which in turn is a short list. So even without having the secret trader to give a short list,

you are dealt your own shortlist just by gameplay. So maybe that was their point. Again, I still disagree with everything that they did. But it still kind of works out in the grand scheme of things for the format because Donna was going to meet the rest of the traders anyway in this episode at some point if she was able to escape by on the round table. So it still works out the same way that it would have.

They don't get to just pick from the litter. But again, I'm probably, I don't really care if I'm in the cage or not. And Ron is the best example of that because he's on the hot seat, at least for everybody else. He's not going to get murdered. Like there's no sense in murdering him. And honestly, we've seen some pretty dumb gameplay from traders in the past. I have no doubt in my mind. They're going to pick somebody else tied to the tree.

And obviously they think that Renna's out there in the tree, but she's not. So there's only four people to choose from. Ron's not going to go home. Who else was tied to the tree? I don't remember Caroline. You got Ron, Renna, Kristen, Stanberry, and Eric. Yeah. I think it's going to be, we'll have to see what they're going to do because I don't know

if they're at that point in the game where they're ready to turn on the housewives, where they'll send Caroline home just to throw up. people off the scent. They should, by the way. I think now we're getting to the point where, yeah, I think that some of the gamers are catching onto the gamers going home, but they're still pointing the finger back of themselves. But eventually, they're going to realize, shit, this is a reality TV star and they're going to turn their sights to them. This is the best way to throw people off the scent is get rid of a Caroline Stanberry because then at least one of the housewives is gone. They wouldn't turn on their

own. They're too stupid. That's how the gamers are viewing the housewives. Yeah. It's kind of, well, two things. Number one, one, one, the challenge is over the two people I would look at after would be Colton and Johnny because Colton you would think one for how loud he's been and two for how you know fit he is that he would have been able to get that done to obviously Johnny was just like what the fuck are you doing dude so if I'm the traitors I take advantage of that and kill either Caroline or Eric because then you can kind of point back to oh who are their partners maybe that you know maybe they wanted to get rid of those people, just to throw assent on them.

But my second point is kind of a dream short list for the traders. You've got Ron, who's an easy not kill, and then three people who are pretty random and, to me, obvious faithfuls between Caroline Kristen and, who am I forgetting? Eric. So I think it's a pretty great list for them, like, all right, we're just killing like a middle of the road person who's going to be random and people that no one's suspicious. have anyway, so it's a clean, easy kill. So they're getting lucky here. They really have been. I mean, they've gotten the short list because of Donna's approach to it when

she does get out of it as the secret trader. Her approach was these people are pretty much as unassuming as I am. So that was her list, which has set them up really well because they're able to just kill people that don't really have a faction yet. And that's exactly what you have what these for. Now my question for you guys is who do you kill and why? How do you frame the kill and set it up? I still think that the easiest kill for them right now to get people off their scent, in the sense, not even there yet, but just to be preemptive, get rid of Caroline. Because if you get rid of a housewife, they're not going to start looking at housewives. They might look, I'm still surprised they haven't looked at Rob yet because he's doing the same thing that Donna was.

He's not making a lot of alliances. He don't really see him talking. Yes, he was playing chess with Rina. But other than that, he's not talking to anyone. And those are the same reasons why you got rid of Dona Kelsey. You're not getting rid of Rob probably because he's hot. I mean, the girls of the gays are just loving Rob right now. So maybe that's why. And it's it. He is. Yeah, objectively. But maybe they'll leave him out there for a little longer. But at some point, they are going to turn their sights that way. If you get rid of a housewife and you've got two housewives in the turret, they're not immediately going to look at the housewives. And then it's more of an even playing field. There's no gamers really up for killing right now. You've got Ron,

Kristen and Eric, they're pretty much on assuming, again, you leave Ron out there, he's going to go at a roundtable eventually. They're going to circle back to him if it's not the next roundtable. It's the one after that. Kristen and Eric have nothing. There's just no connection there. So you can get rid of them, and that's kind of what they've been doing, is getting rid of people that have no connections. But I think this is the time where you start playing the game and you get rid of Caroline. Yeah, I agree.

I do think there might be maybe a little risk for Renna. That's where I'm at. Because now, to your point, though, if I'm thinking, kind of how I was thinking earlier, there's got to be at least one gamer. I'm also going to think there's at least one housewife. So you get rid of Caroline. And then you're like, okay, so it's got to be either Candace, Rina, or Dorinda. And unfortunately, for them, two of them are actually traders. So is it too early to get rid of Caroline?

I'm not sure. I think it is. Yeah. I might want to go for Kristen just because I feel like she seems smart. And between the smart and the full-blown faithful, I might want to go for her out of all of those. But then again, for some reason, I feel like they are going to go for Caroline.

I think they are. That's the vibe that I'm getting. I'm not because two of them, two of the housewives are traders. I'm trying to keep my housewife numbers up for as long as I can. And despite the fact, because I think that's going to point directly at Ritter. I think they're going to say, okay, well, they sent a housewife home, but why was it Caroline and not Rina? And then they're going to start to analyze that.

And all it takes is a couple people to get on your scent, and then it starts to build from there. I think that you still have the luxury. This is the last time before you're going to have to start thinking about the gameplay as far as we need to start whittling down the housewives. I think this is the last time you can whack a Kristen or an Eric. It's just a rando. Yeah. Because after that, there's just too many housewives left. Right.

In this moment, I think you keep sticking to the game plan of the randos, the unattached people, because it's low risk, low reward. You're not going to get a lot out of it, but you're also not going to put yourself up. And then I think next week, now you have to go and gun for a housewife and get a Stanberry out of there or a derinda and i think a derinda honestly because because she's louder than a lot of the other one she hasn't really been yet but if we get a good derinda moment which i think that we're going to eventually i think it's easier to point at her stanberry has just been lying around too much so you could definitely get people to think that she's a traitor and get them to vote her out

but you take out a derinda that's that's kind of where my thought process is yeah that kind of makes sense too. I think and just speaking from being funny, if you keep Derinda around until the end and the trader still win, that would be funny, hilarious. Derinda is still there in the final circle and there's a trader there. Whoever it might be, I don't care. But the idea that Derinda is a one and done, one season comes back last the entire season, thinks she's going to win and then loses because there's a trader there and she just trusted somebody. That would be very funny to me. Agreed. I guess that happening too. And I think I would want to take Durinda to the end.

Yeah. I think so too. It's very funny too because she was the one who said the thing that I agreed with the most being Donna's 74 years old. She doesn't know anybody. And I'm like, wow, Dorinda, that was actually really intuitive. Good for you. And then she goes to the roundtable and voted for Donna anyway.

Yeah. Twice. Because you follow the crew. I'm okay with people following in suit. And we're about to get the questions. But the one thing I wanted to come back to because we haven't brought it up or I brought it up and didn't follow through was being so impressed with Rina because of the cage thing. Like she picks up on little nuances of, okay, well, this, you know, puts me in a weird spot when I'm not going

to get voted out. She's picking up on small things in multiple scenes that she highlights of, okay, this is going to alter my gameplay a little bit. We're still in a good spot. I've just been really impressed. And the way that she has been able to maintain her personality and composure amidst everybody while still she's throwing people off the scent in a few scenes where she's trying to get them to kind of listen to her maybe leave the room or whatever. I just, I knew she was going to be fun. I knew it was going to be great to have her back just because she's Lisa, fucking Rina.

But at the same time, I wasn't expecting her to be as crafty as she is with this game, which I'm really thoroughly enjoying. And that's, I think, why, because Rob R makes sense. Candace makes sense. We watched her for a long time on Potomac. this is how she moves and operates anyway. Renna was kind of my wild card in that one. And her meeting the demand of the traders has really been delightful.

This trio, I'm going to be really sad when somebody finally gets outed because I've loved watching them work. They're doing a great job. And it's been really fun. Yeah. Agreed. I love watching Renna so far. Well, why don't we get to some questions? Oh, go ahead.

Jutes. Oh, I was going to say, let's see what the fans say. No, okay. Now, to our point from Zoe Cudla-Pole, Candace is a stuff. talking way too much calling too much attention to herself that was a statement not a question but you're not wrong oh from emily wilson 32b do you think that they were too hard on mama kelsey i i was hoping that the the aspect of having to deal with the swifties afterwards was going to really haunt them but they didn't seem too caught up in that which i was surprised about yeah i

kind of feel like because mama kelsey didn't end up being the secret trader that maybe i'm scared at the swifties too but maybe they didn't quite show how bad donna kelsey was sorry to say that as a traitor like i feel like there's probably a lot more that went on where it was like perhaps very obvious um so maybe thank you for saying this on our platform i appreciate this we get to hear about it now um they're going to come for me the swifties are to come from me, no worry. But, um, Donica, we didn't really talk about this maybe because we're all scared, but like, she didn't really do a good job. I agree. I agree. And I was, I was scared, but you know what, let's rip the band-aid off. Keep going, Brad. Listen, we are from Philly. I love

her sons. I love her. I was hoping she was going to be a faithful in the final four. And I don't necessarily think the producers set her up for the most success. I don't think she was the right pick for a secret trader. I think she would have been better off if they were going to put her as a traitor as one of the OGs, but her choices were not really making the most sense. She kind of, I didn't like her throwoff of, oh, I'm just such a big fan. I'm just such a big fan of everybody. Like, it felt very pick me. I'm just, now I'm just going in for the kill.

Oh, yeah. But it just felt like a bad strategy to kind of be like, oh, I'm quiet because, like, I'm a big fan, but it's like, you loki know you're one of the biggest names here. God bless her. I don't think she did a good job. So were they hard on her? Maybe, but was she probably even worse than what we saw? Or maybe.

All right, I'm done. See, I don't think that they were that hard on her. I think that the Swifty and Mama Kelsey of it all did get people to back off of it because they didn't want to dive into it. I also think that by getting removed as the secret traitor, that's going to alleviate all of the fallout because everyone's going to be like, oh, you know, the Swifties are going to say, well, they caught her. If she was a faithful and got voted out, it would be World War III right now. That's a really good point.

Yeah, that's a really good point. But because she was a secret trader, it diminishes that. Exonerates them. Yeah. He also, like, let's be honest, she survived her first roundtable by skin and her teeth, whatever, and really because Rina took a bold move and voted out, Portia, which was risky. And luckily, that was, he was slept under the rug a little bit after. but otherwise she was one vote away

so she really had to come into that second roundtable honestly was thrown a Hail Mary if I was her I would have started off the round table and I'm like listen I know eyes are on me and you come with a clear target but I really think it's this person and like we said earlier the producers didn't really cut her any favors in that regard because it's like what the fuck dude you're throwing a deliberation here now right after breakfast but

yeah I don't know I don't I don't think they were that hard on her I don't think it was more what we said earlier where it's it almost seemed like they felt bad but like they were just like this is what got to do yeah that's what i got from it yeah that's the vibe i got from it too um and in the realm i got more to say about donna hold on please take it away well you opened the door and i've been having similar thoughts and feelings but i was too much of a coward to speak up but now that you have i firmly agree i think that her gameplay was mediocre at best i'm I think that going the route that she did, once I found out she was a secret trader.

My first reaction was, wow, she didn't do anything to throw people off the scent. You have to know going into it that you're going to be a target because people are going to assume what we all assumed and what everyone in the cast assumed. You would be such a good traitor because you're so nice and unassuming. So I would have done the exact opposite. I would have been talking to everyone. and she outs herself a little bit too much when she drops the Paul McCartney line. When you're sitting there going, I'm a fan girl, I'm a fan girl.

I felt the same way with Paul fucking McCartney. These people haven't met Paul McCartney. You're a level above all of these people. And you know that because you're sitting in a booth with Taylor Swift, who's the queen of the world. So yes, you should have come into this game with a little more of a game plan. Instead, I think she went in assuming that people would assume that she's unassuming. That's not a good way to. play the game and the only reason that we're not hearing about it is because people are afraid of

the swifties and because she in fact was the secret trader that's what i wanted to say yeah i'm going to move on real quick uh from uh and brackman man will they replace the secret trader if so with who i think personally they might push up the uh the additional trader the the the tap a trader in just because I think they're very vulnerable with three. If you only have three left, not that everybody knows what's going on, but if you only have three traders left this early in the game, that's very tough. We saw last year it took them six episodes to even get a trader. And when they finally did, it was because of infighting.

It was because Boston Rob turned. So I don't know. I think they might push it forward or they might have another trick up their sleeve. I don't think it's going to be a secret trader. I don't think they're going to run that back. But they might want to tap somebody in, whether it's, you know, them deciding the traders deciding or if it's producers deciding like hey there is another secret trader out there yeah i hope they don't i kind of like when it's three people i think four gets a little

i don't know messy it's a lot yeah but also like not to complete sidebar but i didn't i wasn't recaping with you guys episode one did you like the secret traitor twist i did yeah actually yeah yeah i thought it was a lot of us to play around yeah yeah i thought it was a lot of us to play around yeah yeah i thought it was fun as if you were to actually not know when someone was banished. Like, it was exciting to hear Donna Kelsey be like, I have a traitor and you like genuinely didn't know for certain. But yeah,

I don't, I don't know. It kind of felt like a weird one that they didn't play all the way out through. Yeah. Steel? Anything, anything to add? No.

Swifted out. Yeah. I took my shots. I'm going home. He's, he's checking his DMs to see if he got to hate. They already already. No, I was just trying to find, let's do like two more.

Okay. Let's do two good ones then in that case. Here's one from Kate Elfdman. When you get cast next season, would you prefer to be a traitor or a faithful? I don't want to put that out there because then you guys will know. Yeah. When I get cast. I'd prefer, this is going to sound crazy.

I'd prefer to be a faithful. There's one really bad thing about being a faithful, is that you have no autonomy over your game. Like you can get murdered at any point, which does make me want to, like, say I'd rather be a traitor. But I just know myself, if I'm put under pressure from day one to basically have to lie the entire game, I'm not going to enjoy playing.

I'm going to be too anxious. Wouldn't you be anxious knowing that you could get killed at any moment, though? I guess, yes, but also I feel like I'd be able to enjoy the experience more because I'm like, I don't have to lie. Like, I'm like genuinely telling the truth. And I'm always like, I love, I would hate to get murdered, but I love when someone has to eat their words. So I would like to get banished and be like, fuck you guys.

I told you I was a faithful, like whatever. I don't know. There's pros and cons in each, obviously. I think just knowing myself, I think I'd be able to relax a little more as a faithful. I feel like as a traitor, you have to be on edge the entire time because you're literally lying the entire time. game. But it would be so fun too.

So I don't know. I'm cool with either. Producers pick me for whatever. I just want to be, I'm just happy to be welcomed. Yes, exactly. About you, shoots, or are you really not answering just in case?

No, I'm just dicking around. It's honestly for all the reasons that Brand said that he wouldn't want to be a faithful, even though he wants to be a faithful, I want to be a traitor. I want to have autonomy over my game. I want to be able to pick and choose different things.

And I want to be able to see if I can prove to myself that I can be an evil person, you know? Totally. Yeah, that's why I would be a trader too. I decided to use my platform for evil rather than good. I think you both, I think shoot, I think you'd be a great trader and steal. I think you'd be a great faithful. I agree with that sentiment, actually.

Yeah. Do we kiss at the end of that? Like if we're still both up there? Yeah, we have to, obviously. Is that just heated rivalry? I don't know what was. Yeah, exactly. I would,

like to be a traitor just because of 100% being in control of my own destiny. I do think I would probably operate better as a faithful. I think I'd be a good faithful. Yeah. I think I'd want to be a traitor. Yeah. One more. And then we'll wrap this up.

This one's funny. In reference to Portia, these are some of her lines from her early days in Atlanta. and this is in regards to her miss speaking. From Destiny Mitchell, are we seeing a resurgence of 265 days a year and underground railroad Porsche coming out? And if you're unfamiliar with those, she was under the impression

when they went on a tour of the Underground Railroad and some of the sites that people were housed and things like that. She asked where the train was and was dead serious and then also thought there was 265 days in a year. So that's a little reference point to the, I killed and we banished. So there you go.

But it's I all in all, I'm thoroughly enjoyed this season. I think it's leaps and bounds better than last year. Um, but the last question from me is how do you want to see it wrap up? Do you want to see these traders pull it off or do you want the faithful to figure it out? Right now, I'm running for the traders. Um, I like them. I think they're a fun group, but I don't think the faithfuls are, playing bad right now.

I don't think, like, you know, they're one and two out of two. They've had two banishments, they got one. So I don't think, and I think they have some strong contenders in there, to your point. I think Natalie's going to be really good. I think we're going to see more of that Lepinski

Johnny's storyline because they put a little tidbit in episode one, that they're friends, but then that hasn't really come through. They called it back in the cages once is the only time. But it hasn't been fully so I'm interested to see where that goes. I hope Colton like bites the bullets soon. Yeah, he's got to go. I can't do it anymore. But yeah, I'm wondering what's going to go on with

them. I think if they pull in a trader, I'm wondering who it's going to be, maybe Jam Jam. But yeah, I like, I think both sides are doing well right now. I think the risk right now is like eventually Candace could expose herself. But it looked like with the previews of next episode, it looks like Tiffany's going to be under some heat. So curious to see where that goes. If she goes, wow, that's like nearly all the gamers. Yeah.

That's an interesting game without a gamer. But time will tell, everybody. Time will tell. Bran, as always, thank you for joining us. You are one of our faves. I love recapping with you. Shoots, you're fine, I guess. Yeah, I'm right.

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