Bros & Shows - Before I Deflect Some More, Which Brother Are We Talking About? (RHOA Full Recap S17E14)

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

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I feel like she's doing the absolute most. I think Shemia doing the most actually fits in right now because everybody else is showing up. And this is when we needed it. I think this season had an opportunity to take a turn for the worst, and instead it just started going on an upswing. Scotland is the great timing that we needed for a trip like this. And everybody else is really doing what they have to do.

And then Shmiya is just doing more of the same. But it actually works now because everybody else is there. Good point. As there is a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. It will be a whole lot. And so that'll make it a. I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine.

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What's up, dude? We got a little trader's trip going here. We, I'm sure there's going to be people in the comments right where I like, oh, I thought you guys were giving up on the season because you didn't cover one episode. We, uh, we talked about that. We were all over the place. We did, uh, skeleton crew. for that week. But these

Scottlet episodes are great. I mean, we were wondering what we had in the cast and when we kind of individualized everything, we realized good, good crew member, good crew member, good crew member, a lot of question marks. All the question marks are pretty much gone. Even like for me, Shamia's question mark is gone because

she's finally addressing the elephant in the room. She's finally talking to Portia. If she was still doing the roundabout bullshit by doing her thing through K-Michel, through Kelly, if Kelly was still doing Kelly things, I think it would be irritating. It would be way more of the same. And then obviously you'd have people like Angela just trying to force Shemia to talk to

Portia, which I think, you know, obviously we'll talk a little bit about it at the end. But it's all kind of coming together in a great way. And it's forcing Shemia to at least address Porsche, which if that didn't happen, the whole season for Shemia, it would have been a loss for me. Yeah, I think my thing with her, and I agree as far as like the cold intro and things like that like the show is great like they are on a really good path right now everybody is showing up i would argue that shamiah is technically showing up still it's just now that you have a cohesive cast now that you have the group kind of coming together it is highlighting to a much bigger degree

how much shimia is trying to overproduce things and how many issues she is making for herself and then trying to hold the rest of the group accountable. And it's like, dude, we've been able to kind of squash things periodically throughout this season, which has been fun, right? We've had a lot of shit kind of go up, down, up down. We got to Scotland. We had that big kumbaya moment in the bedroom of the castle. Kelly and Porsche has squashed their beef.

We're moving forward. Angela, who is the queen of moving forward, like she's been doing it all season. She has beef with somebody. They talk. It's over, which we love about Angela. Shemia keeps going back. I mean, we are literally going back to last season to find issues with people. And she gets pissed off because Portia forgives Kelly.

It's like, dude, that door would be open for you, but you complain about all this shit that you are causing. You talk shit. You get messy. You talk to one person and you put something in their ear. You talk to your friends, Kay Michelle, who's right, she is ride or die for you all season. and you have the nerve to say to her, nobody wants me to be friends with you, but I am.

And you don't expect that to come back and bite you in the ass. And Kay Michelle's still trying to be nice to you. But if you look at all of the problems that Shemija is facing, they are all self-inflicted with zero self-awareness. And that's why you're not moving forward with anyone. Then you go to the van and cry at the end. Oh, she came after my family. She came after my mom.

You started it. Yeah. You brought up the moms. And now you're crying about her talking about your mom. But that's what makes it funny. I love the lack of realization, the lack of self-awareness from Shemia when everybody else is kind of clocked in on it. When everybody else is doing their own thing or they're ignoring Shemia and Shemia is doing this, that's when it gets really irritating. If she's going to do this and everybody else is going to clock her behavior and we even have K Michelle at the end of the episode going through the last six months, like, yeah, she kind of inserted herself here.

She inserted herself there. It's very rewarding for us because we talk about it the whole season. and you could you would be lost to find an episode where we didn't talk about Shemia bringing up shit from last season, the season prior, things that didn't happen, things that happened to the offseason supposedly, just to try to make a storyline for herself. Now it is a storyline for her, but not in the ways that she wants because other people are realizing what she's been doing and now holding her accountable for those things. Will she take that accountability?

Absolutely not. There's no chance at hell, especially because they already filmed the reunion and it looks like Kay Michelle unfollowed, which Kay Michelle, you can just follow her Twitter behavior. you can follow her Instagram behavior, you'll be able to figure out where she lays with everybody. And she is not with anybody in this group right now. It seems like so that's kind of funny. But I'm not really worried about Kay Michelle.

She's just the non-factor right now. But even her. I mean, it was kind of fun to watch her in the Scotland trip. So that's the motif. That's the symbolism that we've got going on right now for Scotland is everybody's clocking in on Chimea's behavior. And it's about goddamn time. Yeah.

And like, don't get it twisted. I am enjoying the, storylines. I'm enjoying the shit that's being talked. All of it's good. It's just funny to kind of watch Shemia still in this place. And I think it all goes back to what we talked about from last year to this year. Because we center peached her last year and tried to do that whole thing, all this season feels like is her trying to reclaim that throne of like, this is my show. And it's like, it's not. And it's quite clearly not. And it's not working. Meanwhile, you have the rest of, of the cast really hitting their stride, even Kelly's showing up.

Like the fact that Kelly's showing up and Shamiya's still not is objectively funny. So, and I guess you could say Shemma is showing up in her own way. Like I'm not knocking her because she's enjoyable to watch, but she's not enjoyable to watch for the reasons that she thinks she is. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. She thinks she has this error about her where she feels like she's speaking for a large group

of women. Yes. She's really showing up for them. But in reality, no one cares. I mean, we don't see any Shemia defenders anywhere. I don't know where she thinks they are. They're probably just thoughts online. But yeah, Kelly, I feel like was the last domino to fall.

I mean, we kind of saw Kay Michelle going that way when she brought up the conversation about it. Again, this is the other part of it since we're talking about the mothers. We're talking about Portia's mom. Kay Michelle, when she goes back to that conversation, she's like, yeah, it was really weird. I had to talk to Shemia and her mom. Why is your mom with you? Why is your mom with you all the time? It's just weird behavior.

I don't understand that. I'm fine with the conversation at the end because at least it's hit for tat and we're talking about both moms. But why is your mom doing things? Why is your mom getting involved in talking to the other women on the cast and talking about how she feels like things are being portrayed? Enough. You're a grown woman enough talking about your mom. I don't want to deal with that anymore. But Kelly was that last dominole to fall and she fell.

She literally fell in this episode. She's having a great time. I'm giving her props now because that hat at the end, the fit that she had. Dude, that was McDonald's. McDonald's. McDonald's or McDonald's. or McDowell's Macdowell's.

Yeah, from coming to America. It was literally like that was the logo because McDonald's has the golden arches. McDallels has the golden arcs. Uh-huh. Correct. So, she has won me over entirely.

I mean, she started to win me over a little bit with the conversation that was just very frank about her financials. She's won me over now. And that's all you have to do. All you have to do, and I feel like that kind of goes with this group too. All you have to do is have fun.

If you're having a good time, they're going to accept you. You're going to be okay. And that kind of goes to show you. Shimea, I do think a lot of the people in this group would be fine if you would just have fun and stop forcing weird issues. Like that's, it's just unnecessary. That's the common denominator. When you look at it, it's like, okay, who have we had problems with this season?

Kay Michelle, Pinky ever so briefly. It was like a two episode thing. And even then we still liked her. She really came into her own, too. She's awesome. And Kelly, like those were the big three. That's the three that were in the B squad over in the three. the pool house in the beginning of the season centered around who shamiya now that you have k-mishel

you have kelly you have them doing their own things and being able to hang out with the group now it takes on a totally different air and you're like okay well there seems to be somebody in this whole mixture that is causing a lot of these problems and that's all shemia and it's shemia you go to watch her talking to these people. And it's like, oh, well, everything you say you have a problem with. You have a problem with everybody in the cast. And I get it. If you feel like you've been ganged up on a lot, you're going to get defensive.

You're going to start pointing the finger everywhere. But the inability to just kind of look in the mirror and be like, okay, are these problems real? Am I causing the problem? Maybe I should stop talking shit sometimes. But it's just funny to watch Kelly kind of come into her own, which was such a far cry from what I thought was going to happen given the season she had. I'm really enjoying her now. That's all I needed.

Okay, Michelle, very rough start. She's kind of hit her stride now. She's a supporting member of this cast. She's fine. Keep her around. No problem. Pinky. Star.

All of them have branched out and moved away from Shamiya and now they're doing better. So that just seems like math to me. Yeah. And to get ahead of it before anybody starts to claim that there would be nothing here without Shemia, because I imagine there's going to be one or two comments. comments there takes me out of it. There's still going to be good drama. They're still going to be fun.

I mean, look at Angela. Angela will start shit because she knows it's a TV show where you're supposed to start shit. The second things go a little sideways. She's like, eh, yeah, not worth it. This isn't going to really work out. She has the eye for those things. She is the producer's darling.

If she wants to do something and she feels like the tides are shifting a little bit as we saw at the end of the last episode, she's like, this is going the wrong way. I don't have enough proof. Let's just fucking dead it. Let's move on. She'll cop to it. She'd be like, I don't know.

I thought so, like, I just said it because I was talking shit. Correct. She will cop to it. And then again, for the rest of the group, like, yes, do we want to watch a show where everybody's just Kuma on, everybody's happy? No, absolutely not. But this group will hold people accountable. This group will make shit up out of thin air.

This group will take a rumor and run with it or be Fabricatea and fabricate a rumor and then run with it. Whatever it might be, it's always going to work out with this group. It's just the Shamiya stuff that gets very irritating when she's forcing things. That's when it gets really annoying. And then now we actually have a whole group that's just ready to clock her for what she's doing. Good. That's what we need it.

Agreed. But let's jump in. And not a whole lot happened this episode. It was very entertaining. Like this has been a great trip. The last two episodes have been really good. It's a lot of activities and just kind of watching the group hang out. But again, we love to see it when the group is viving.

Even if people don't like each other, but they're able to do events and like laugh, to have a good time. That's all we want. And then we want some drama sprinkled in. So we're in a really good place right now. But we do breakfast and we talk about some, you know, tasty black porn and what you're allowed to and not allowed to watch in Scotland, which I was unaware of. So little learning. Yeah.

I've never been in Scotland. The rundown from Portia was kind of funny. You just got to screen record that shit. Like, yeah, that's kind of weird. Yeah, it's a little strange. 30, 45 minutes of porn. Just, you know, bringing it over with you? I don't know.

I don't know the duration. It's going to take up a lot of memory. No more. Yeah, I don't need to know more, but I also think it's kind of interesting. It was an interesting breakdown, but we can end it there. We don't need any more information. We don't think it's just, it's a little, little bit of a taste for, do you see that, tasty porn. It's a little bit of a taste for how.

It's a tasty porn. What was it? Isn't it tasty black? Black tasty? What did they say? I think it was tasty black, yeah. I mean, a lot wrong. You said tasty porn.

Oh, boy. Yeah, clip that. But yeah, I think it just shows you where everybody is. Like, they can sit around this beautiful Scottish breakfast. I think that Portia and Fager were probably very excited because it wasn't just like the weird traitors breakfast that they have every morning. People are just downing deviled eggs. But for this in particular, I mean, you can show like they're all having a great time. We go outside.

We're going to do hammer tosses. We get to make dick jokes for about 35 minutes. We get to hang out with these big, brutish, Scottish men and learn how to do all these things and have fun. fun. And that's about it. That's what we want to see on trips. There should be a healthy dose of having a good time and then a good dose of, hey, let's figure out some of the drama that's happened this season. But once we start doing that, like we said in the beginning, it all just kind of shifts towards Shamiya. Because I think everybody is realizing and it doesn't take long for us to realize, obviously with things are edited, with the interviews and all the things that happen in there. We know what's going on and what the shift is and what needs to happen. But when it actually happens, it is very sad. to watch everybody in this moment having fun and realizing like, wow, we can all have fun together. Why don't we have fun together? Oh, yeah, one person. Exactly.

And you really watch it happen in real time because we do hot toddies and haggis. Great combo. Everybody knows it. I don't think vegan haggis counts because that completely defeats the purpose of haggis, which I don't know how you make vegan haggis. But that like that falls under the category of, you know, I have. no issue with vegan food. I just don't understand why it's named. Yeah, you don't have to make like fake haggis for no, just like call it just do something else. Right. Yeah. I don't know why we do that. But I don't think you get credit for vegan haggis because the whole point of eating haggis is like,

yeah, it's it's lamb brain and intestine. And I believe it's cooked inside of the stomach lining. Yeah. I think that's part of this whole thing. I don't know. I've never had it. I would try it. But Yeah, vegan haggis is an interesting concept. Now, Porsche is checking it on Kelly while we're sitting around the table and vibes are high. Like the whole group is vibing. And that's like what we want to see, especially after the start that we have with this season, especially after last season, we're finally headed in a good direction as a group. And obviously, you're going to have outliers here and there.

But when you go to Shamiya's room, and once again, she's FaceTiming her mom, and she's crying. And she's like, oh, okay, Portia can forgive other people, but she, she can't forgive me. That's, that's crazy. And then she's talking to her mom and you just kind of see her making issues out of everything. She's like, I feel attacked by this entire group. It started with Angela and she was talking about me sleeping with George and she's talking about Porsche and she's talking about this, that, the other. Fair, fine. Yes, you have a lot of shit with people right now.

I'll give you that. But any time she discusses other people's beef with her. She omits herself. Of course. Okay, well, let's figure out why this is happening. No, I don't think you're the cause of all of the bullshit, but you're the cause of a lot of the bullshit. And a lot of people are matching your energy. But then when it comes to confessionals or one-on-ones with your mom, you're the victim.

100% you're the victim. And at no point, and I think somebody clocks it later, it's like, all right, well, if you have issues with every single person in the group, I think Cynthia might have said it. If you have issues with everyone in the group. Is that them picking on you or are you the problem? And in this case, Shemia, you are the problem. Yeah, I also think it's completely unnecessary to omit yourself when you're talking to your mom. Because from what I understand about your mom, I don't think she's going to care if you're involved or what level you're involved in.

She just likes to talk shit on other people. Apparently, yeah. Sort of, you can probably throw a Porsche's mom in that camp. I'm not going to spend a ton of time talking about their moms because they're not on. the screen, you know, Portia's mom was on the screen. That was the funniest thing about all that shit is like, I don't care that your mom's I really don't. And I might be, you might be able to lure me in a little bit if we get a mom off.

Like if we have Porsche's mom and Shamiya's mom really getting into it and then Porsche and Shemir somewhat involved, I could be pretty interested in that. I don't know. I remember in Potomac we had Wendy's mom versus Nekka's mom and that was not fun. The witch doctor off. Yeah. I don't know I was interested in that one. That one was too scary.

I'm scared of witches. But yeah, I think that Shamiya's mom and Porsche's mom having it out for like five minutes would really like I think it would be, I think it would be satiating enough where we could move on with it. And then we have to just, I'll wait for the Shemia talking about and breaking the fourth wall about like contracts and all that bullshit. it. But I don't know. I do think that Shamiya's mom wants to be somewhat involved. So I think that you could probably just tell her exactly what it is. And she's just going to talk shit on other people. She's not going to talk shit on you. It just makes no sense because as she's talking to her mom, you get Pinky and Kay Michelle talking about Shemia. And these are her closest friends. And you got Kelly into that mix as well. But they're talking about being worried about Shemia. Still, it's like, all right,

She does seem like she's carrying a lot. And I'll give her that. Like it does seem pretty heavy. She does seem like she's changed a little bit. All of that is true. But again, two of your closest friends on the show, one of them, Kay Michelle, is feeling slighted by you because you keep saying to everybody, like everyone's telling me not to be friends with her.

That's a weird thing to say about one of your friends. And on top of that, while you're sitting there the night before, Kay Michelle is, again, ride or die for Shumia all season. but then Shemia gets upset and all I have is Kelly. The only person I have in this entire group is Kelly. Pinky and Kay Michelle have had your back since the pool house. Yeah. But this is what you do.

Because she plays the victim so hard, she singles out people that are close to her and lumps them in with people she's actually up against. And then she wonders why she's out on an island. Like, it's you. You're the problem. I just can't really understand her thinking. It really does come down to what we've seen anyway is the rest of the group trying to be open arms for Kay Michelle because I do think that at some point there was a weird turning point.

Maybe it was after that Dallas trip where people did realize like, ah, Camichel really doesn't feel accepted by us. She doesn't feel like she's on a friend's level with us and we want that. And I know, yeah, there were a couple of comments made by Drew maybe at some point, although I think they were misconstrued at some point too where Kay Michelle wasn't really accepted into the group. But then Kay Michelle kind of threw that back at Drew, which didn't make any sense. So I do think that they gave her a fresh start, which is good. I mean, it's her first season.

She's a notable enough person where you do kind of want to get to know her. She is very interesting. I don't think she did herself any good services throughout this season. But I think they did hit a point with like, all right, let's see what she's about. Let's at least like bring her into the fold. Pinky is just very charismatic. I think she just needed to figure out what was going on, find her footing. It didn't take her super long.

I think we were a little critical of her maybe in like the fourth or fifth episode, mostly because we saw her kind of joining up with Shimea, which was the wrong. really all it was. And it wasn't necessarily the wrong move because we didn't want teams to start. And we didn't want Pinky to go to the wrong team because we don't like Shemia. I hand up, I don't like Shemia. I never have.

Whatever. I think what I wanted for Pinky was to be that center force because she has that really good character. She has that great personality. And everybody really likes her. And we've got Cynthia in the middle there. And then you kind of have the team on the other side. Pinky could be that floater.

And she always could be. And she has been recently. She's been great. Yeah. So that's more so what we wanted. But I think Shimea identifies that as, oh, yeah, you're not a true ride or die. You need to be a ride or die for me. And that's that complex that comes out where she wants to be center peach.

And again, you can't convince me that Bravo and NBC didn't tell Shemia, like, all right, it's your time to shine. This is your show. And she just took that and around with it. She's still center fucking peach on the show. So this is all really annoying to me. And I think for Shia, she's looking at Kay Michelle being open arm accepted by everybody else.

Like, all right, she's not my friend anymore. Pinky going and having conversations and sitting down with other people. She's not my friend anymore. Like that's what it is. It's that weird complex. Kelly is also having conversations with other people. She's just also flocking back to Shimea, but she's not doing it as bad anymore where she's fighting her battles.

She's just kind of being a shoulder to cry on, which that's the last ditch effort. I mean, we're not going to really see much of that. I think after Scotland. No, and I think that that's where you can see the difference in how Shamiya moves versus how Shamiya's friends move. Kelly, K. Michelle, and Pinky want to have relationships outside of Shemia. Shemia doesn't think that they should because they're being friends with Portia who's up against Shemia. They're being friends with Angela who's up against Shemia.

And she thinks that it's one or the other. And on a show like this, it's not. We do need to find some middle ground eventually. And I think we've reached that point. But it's impossible because you have Shemia who's like, you know, I just keep letting things go. It's like, or just hear me out. or you keep starting shit. And then I love later on,

and production did Shimea pretty dirty, but it kind of was called for the montage of her starting shit. Like little comments here. And I don't even know if she knows she does it. And that's another part of this because, like she'll make a little comment here and there while other people are talking. Two people are talking and she chimes in something.

And to the point where people are like, oh, come on, she mean, she's like, I'm just saying. So no, you don't keep letting. things go because you let things go in a strategic way. You'll drop something for the time being to build your case and bring it up later as we see at dinner with Pilar. That was dirty. You don't, you don't do that.

And you could be right. Like, I do think what Porsche said and we'll get there was kind of fucked up. And there's a way to go about that. The way that you did it, as everybody at the table pointed out, this was not. not the time nor the place. That was a bad move on your part. So now she's scrambling, which is kind of fun to see when a housewife gets to that point where they really just start throwing shit against the wall. That's where Shemia is.

Normally that would be cause for concern. But when you have the rest of the cast showing up and doing their job, that can be kind of fun. So I've actually enjoyed that. It's almost galvanized the rest of the group, which is really interesting. Yeah. I mean, look, it's a necessary. evil. That's kind of where we're going into because it is bringing the rest of the

group back. And again, if she gets clocked and she actually has to take accountability or actually gets shown accountability, good by me. Completely fine by me. I just think Shemia has a hard time with for me, it's more, especially in this group because you have a lot of people in this group that

will just throw rumors out there in the middle of an argument. Shamiya's not doing that. She's doing it like under her breath on the other side of the table, doing something that like Angela might say, like talking about like Shimea fucking George or fucking the entire Atlanta Hawks, but she'll say it under her breath,

whereas Angela will do it in the middle of an argument just to see what happens, just to see your reaction and then see everybody else's reaction. Then again, if it doesn't stick or there's not enough there, she'll move on. It's fine. But with Shemia,

she's like, yeah, let me just do it under my breath over here at the other end of the table. Then one person will hear it, be like, Shemia, come on.

Enough of that. Like, just stop talking about that. And I don't think she understands what the difference is. I think she sees it as, oh, you guys let Angela do whatever the hell she

wants and say whatever she wants, but I can't say anything. It's like, no, you say weird things under your breath that Angela would say very loud in an argument doesn't really make the same case. And then when you actually do get into an argument, you go incredibly low. You try to go as low as possible. And then you try to make your case by saying, well, I'm not allowed to do it, but everybody else is. It just doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't add up. So for me, it's just to me, it doesn't really recognize the difference in those two. I agree. That's a good way to put it. Right now we're going to take a quick little ad break and we'll get right back to the rest of Atlanta.

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call, and she's talking to angel and it's you know financial problems things like that you know 20,000 dollars gone in an hour whatever it was. I think Angela pointed out something that I hadn't really thought about but I don't think she's wrong because she says that Pinky ties her money to her identity. And initially I thought it was her being shady. It was not. I actually agree. I feel like Pinky feels the need. to justify what's going on in her business life. And at least from my perspective, like I look at her as an incredibly impressive woman. She's built a business.

She's built a brand. Yes, she's on hard times right now as far as the bankruptcy and things go. But I don't look down on her for any of that. I just see this very impressive woman, but I feel like she feels the need to justify to the audience. And I don't think she has to. I think that, you know, a lot of people ride for pinky. and I think they will regardless. I think that she offers so much aside from money.

I think that's why she's so good is like their personality, her charisma, her ability to check people but do it in a way that's constructive. And none of that has to do with money. But I do feel like she feels the need to kind of defend it. And it's like, I don't think you have to. I think that, you know,

we've talked about it a lot like bankruptcy's happened and shit like that. You're figuring it out. Yeah. We're all team pinky. We are. We're definitely all team pink. I think what I said for Shameda in the beginning that isn't true for Shemia about speaking for a whole group of women that don't exist is, or maybe it was and maybe it's not anymore. But I think it is somewhat true for Pinky.

I do think that in her mind, she has to carry this air about her. Like, I am a self-made black woman that has done so many good things in the community. And a lot of people look up to me. So when she has moments like this where she's losing, she feels really vulnerable. And she sees that as a lot of people are now watching me struggle. Maybe I'm not the woman that everybody thought I was, which, yes, you're going to get people coming out of the woodwork that are going to criticize you. I mean, that's just really any reality TV. And especially being, you know, as powerful as you are and doing all the good things that you've done and succeeding.

I mean, people hate to watch you succeed, I'm sure. So when that comes down to it, that's kind of what's going through her brain. But I took it the same way as you did. When Angela sits down and she goes to her confessional and she's talking about it, I thought it was shady at first. but it's actually not. The way that Angela talks, it's really not. That was actually kind of endearing. Like, hey, there's so much more to offer than just your money.

But I imagine that's pretty difficult for Pinky to get through. And it might just take her a couple of seasons because when you get to the housewife world, it's different than just writing a book or doing a show about how successful you are and showing all these people, showing young people growing up, maybe that were similar to how you were growing up, that you can get through all of that and be successful. That's kind of the mindset that Pinky's in. but I think after a couple seasons of housewives,

she's going to realize, like, all right, there's a lot more to me. I can bring a lot more to the table and show a lot more people that there is more than just money. There's a lot more things. I think it's funny that she says it was easier when I was broke. I bet you she'll take that back in about a year or two. She'd be thinking, you know what? Maybe it wasn't as easy when I was broke.

But she has to go through the hard times. It sucks that it's your first season. But I think for us and for a good lot of people that are watching the show, it is kind of endearing to watch you go through that. Show us that you're going through that. And it'll be just as sweet when you get through the other side and you start making money again. Yeah, I think there are a lot of credit to her for the fact that she's being open and honest

about the process. Yeah. Because how many housewives have we seen come on to these shows first season? They act like they have all the money. They claim to have dumped $60,000 into a rental property to renovate it, only to find out that they are beyond broke. And then they have to backpedal and try to figure out how to justify it. Instead, we're watching her be honest, but like, yeah,

I'm, this is hard right now. And I'm going to dig out of it, but I'm fucking struggling. So yeah, I credit to her. I just think that, first of all, I hope that she is a mainstay for the next few years. So she gets that big housewives check by season three so she can pay all this shit off. But also, I just want her to recognize. Like, we love you. You're great.

Keep it up. And you offer a lot. So, yeah, I thought Angela was initially being shady. And I was like, you know, it might just be kind of tough love. I actually agree with her. but let's get to the sprinter fan and when Angela made the McDowell's reference, I didn't look at her hat. Then I did.

It literally is the McDowell's hat from coming to America, which is fucking hysterical. You can make as many of those jokes as you want, Angela, because they are all going to hit. I don't need that, but it's just seamlessly fit into her outfit, which I think is very,

I, me personally, I really appreciate that. Like, it wasn't just the hat, the hat, would have given me a lot of entertainment, but fitting it all into the outfit, that's just impressive. Yeah, it was.

It really was. And we just get a little bit more about Kelly and her mystery man, Jarvis and the $70,000 teeth. I'm glad Fadra pointed it out. Again, like, you know, if he's going to offer to pay $70,000, I still don't understand how teeth they're $70,000. But maybe get some crest whitening strips.

And then the remaining $69,975 goes to bills or paying your employees. I just think that it's still, no matter how you shake it out, is a bad look that you got that much money put it in your seat. Yeah, it's a bad look, but it's not as simple as Fager makes it out, as funny as it is. I don't think that Jarvis is going to give her $70,000 to go pay her employees and pay her bills. I guess you're right. He's paying her so that her teeth look nice and he can, you know, get to look at what he paid for. Yeah. I mean, if he gave her $70,000 to get new.

boobs, it would be the similar thing. So it's just, I guess, a little nicer. I just don't get how, like, what cost $70,000 for teeth? I thought that was like 15 max. It's probably, you know, a higher grade porcelain for the teeth plus labor.

I don't know. 50,000 in labor costs. I have no idea. I'm equating it to like a car. Like, you need a new transmission. You know, it's mostly labor. But I imagine. that she's paying more for I don't fucking know man high quality porcelain yeah my my main takeaway is he's not going to give her $70,000 to pay her bills but he will give her

$70,000 to look the way that he wants her to look which yeah read into that as much as you want we don't know the guy we might never know the guy maybe reports will come out I'm assuming nobody is that buttoned up where eventually somebody's not going to catch them in the act so we'll figure out who this guy is and then we can start you know creating our our painting about it yeah but we do get to talk about some Sprinter van Kegels and all that stuff. And then we get to the Scottish Kilton Tartan making. I didn't know this. This was interesting.

The Tartan is the pattern. And that is I did know that different families had a different plaid pattern. I didn't know it was called a Tartan. But this whole thing was just super interesting. I love stuff like this. I was like, oh, cool. And then I really wanted them to go more in depth into like which patterns was which family and why you don't pick that.

that one, why you do pick this one. We didn't get that far into it. Yeah, you wanted that. I did. I loosely wanted that. I imagine the majority of people watching did not give a shit. Yeah, probably. But it's interesting, I thought.

But let's go to The Alchemist for dinner. And Kelly is now like all over Portia. Like they seem to be getting along really well, which again, I'm all for mending friendships and moving forward, especially on these shows. And you got Drew talk about a new show. saw it with Ray J. And delusion on delusion makes a hit according to Drew. I didn't totally understand

that. I'm assuming Ray J's delusional. Drew's delusional, so maybe they'll make a hit together. Yeah. But the funniest thing to me before we start talking about, you know, Porsche, Shemia, Pilar, all that bullshit. Pinky hits a note, right? She just sings a little tune. I thought

it sounded good. It cracks me up that any time somebody references music, or singing or does something like that. Drew has to knock it down because she feels as though people are coming at her profession. Because someone's like, oh wow, she carried a note. I don't know what note that was, but she carried that note, whatever it was. I was like, you have to justify that you are a level above everyone else that tries to sing.

Years and years of conditioning. I know where it comes from. I think it's incredibly. Like Drew is in the camp of I think it's really funny. like anytime that we go and do things like I hope the best for Drew because I think she's funny but I do think this is this is years of conditioning because there were certain situations where somebody would hit a note and then either that person would turn to Drew and say isn't that better than you or another person at the table would say Drew is that better than you? What do you think

about that to make fun of her? So now I think it's not even getting ahead of it. I think she's conditioned to immediately do that but we also have another layer to this now because we now go to Kay Michelle for confessional to see how she thought about it. So now it's double layered. It's kind of funny to watch it. I actually like Kay Michelle's commentary on Drew and her career. Just because if anyone can speak on it, it is Kay Michelle. And the fact that she always got to put her in her place is always very funny to me.

But Drew and Dennis are planning a tour. And I'm glad that Porsche didn't make a thing out of it. I'm glad we don't have to rehash that, that bullshit. I just want to be able to move on. But it does open the door, apparently, which doesn't make total sense because this comes out of left field. And again, this is part of the problem for Shemia. What does this have to do with fucking anything? Because out of left field, she's like, you know, it kind of hurt my feelings that you said that you didn't want Pilar around Gerald and I.

Dennis told us that. I thought Porsche's explanation was fine where it's like, look, if I don't fuck him. with you. I'm not going to send my kids over there to hang out with you. Yeah. I do think there's a level to this where it's like the kids shouldn't be punished for the parents not getting along. I agree with that. I also think it's got to be shitty to hear that somebody that was your close friend is now saying things like I don't trust my kids or her around my kids. I think that's a step too far. I'm in agreement with all of that. My problem is this is the moment in which you chose to bring it up. He chose to call her out about her children at a dinner table with everybody else unprompted.

And then you get surprised that there's backlash. And if you need any more confirmation, every confessional you get from every third party at the table is like, ooh, why now? Bad timing. Yeah. This was dumb. Yeah. Really bad timing. But I think this just shows you worship me is.

I mean, we've been watching the spiral happen where she's going to pick out different people. She picked a fight with Angela. she picked a fight with Fager at one point. Like she's just, she's going to continue to pick fights. She's finally picking the fight with Porsche. You would think her ducks might be in a row. Like maybe I've got something to actually pull out.

No, she goes immediately low. And that's what I was talking about earlier. The side comments are one thing. But when she actually gets into an argument, she has to go low. And she feels like she's validated to do so because then she starts bringing up all these other things the Porsche is doing. And we finally get to that point.

It's like, there's no problem with me bringing this up right now because of all the things that you've done. Not true. It's just not how it works. And also in this instance, leave the kids out of it. I mean, if you want to talk about whether or not it's shitty,

the Porsche is doing that, fine. I don't really care what everybody else's opinion is. It's whatever Porsche feels comfortable doing. It's her child. If she doesn't want them going over there, she doesn't want Pilarga go over and hang out. I doubt that Gerald feels any type of way about this.

He seems to not give a shit about anything. So it's really just you who probably sought out to another thirsty person on the show, Dennis to see how they feel about what's going on with Porsche. We watch Dennis and Porsche together. Of course, Dennis has some bullshit to spew. And of course, you've got some bullshit to spew. So the two of you should just keep those conversations behind closed doors.

They shouldn't get back to the show because we know what both of you are and what you guys are going to do and try to perpetuate. So I have no problem with Porsche clapping back in any of this. I thought it was kind of funny that Drew did say, you know, how are you and Dennis doing? You know, Dennis seems a little upset about what's going on with you and Porsche. Not your person. I'm not getting any of that shit. Just mind your fucking business.

Okay. Yep. No, I'm all right with that. We're in a good place right now. I don't want to ruffle any feathers there. But yeah, Shamia,

this is last ditch effort. This is fucking desperate. This is, I'm finally moving on to Portia. In her mind, she probably feels powerful doing this. To everybody else, it just looks like,

oh, wow, you feel like you're losing your friends left and right. You're losing allies in the group. In reality, people are just getting along and you're upset about that. So now you're going to go after Porsche. Bad timing. Bad way to do it.

just doesn't make any sense. And what it does is open the door because, as Cynthia said, Shemia came with one loaded in the chamber, except it was like 15 loaded in the chamber. And once she opened the door with Portia, everything else starts coming out. And we're just going, you know, all over the place.

She's talking about you told a lot of lies last year. And then you told Andy that you always wanted me as a housewife and you this, and you knew that. And look, I honestly, could believe some of the conversations that you and Portia had behind closed doors. I can believe that she said, like, oh, you've got the singing and the acting, like, you don't need to do this. This is my space.

But you can come on as a friend up. All of that is not that hard to believe. And if you did this in the correct way, I think I would be more open to hearing it. But because we're now getting 15 different things at once, it doesn't land the same, especially when you get to the end of this whole thing. and you bring up the parents once again. You bring up the fact that you guys agreed not to talk about parents and then Portia went online and posted about your mom,

but she didn't say anything about her own mom, which why would she, why would she drag her own mother on social media? That makes no sense to me. You should know better than that. But that was all it means to an end to get to this point of saying, well, you didn't tell your mom's side. She tried to sleep with my dad.

What? first of all, indifferent, irrelevant. Who cares? I think it's interesting. I think it's a funny thing to drop. That's why I want that five-minute conversation. I just want the five-minute conversation

between the two moms. Maybe so, actually, because of that. But it's like, sure, that's kind of funny to bring up in random. But as far as implications on your friendship with Portia, that shouldn't fucking matter.

And then Porsche had one in the back pocket and she's like, well, I heard your mom was boiking your uncle. Whoa. Wow. You have gone completely off the rails. Yeah. At least there was like some connection there because that would have been kind of funny to just throw out.

I guess Porsche's mom was dating her uncle, or Shamia's uncle rather. And Shami his uncle cheated on Porsche's mom so that he could bang. Shemi's mom. The whole thing was ludicrous and funny. I'm very happy that we have this. enough that I could believe all of it. I think the best part. The best part is I can believe every last detail of all of this on both sides.

And it's still funny to me. I just simply don't care. It's just so funny how low down it got. Like it just went quick. As soon as Shamiya started, then Porsche had something back. And then eventually you can just call her and her mom a low down dirty snake. Then we get a lot of low down dirty snakes going back and forth.

This was good. This is two people that were friends that have, long history together with their families that have not talked in basically a year at all. And now we're getting into a fight and everything is just coming out. This is great. This is exactly what this should be happening because I do want to see Shamiya have to deal with this shit. Like if you're going to do this and you're going to try to work around the scenes and try

to get after every person that's being nice to Porsche, eventually you're going to have to face Porsche. This is how it's going to go. I mean, you've had a year to prep for this. You have so many things that you could be talking about. And instead of just going after what Porsche is doing, you go after what. what she's doing with her child wrong. And then you're going to go into what she's talking about with her mom.

And then what her mom was doing, who gives a fuck? That's all you have. All these things that you supposedly hate about Portia, all you have is how her mom was moving years ago. Who gives a shit? This is a losing battle for you. Yeah. And what it also does is you check two of the no-no boxes,

which is keep the kids out of it. And don't talk about family. And you did both of those because you're just trying to find, something that's and I actually agree with Portia. All she's trying to do right now is get a rise out of her. She's trying to press that button that gets Porsche to go off. And by doing that, you go too far. You say too much.

And the problem that you're now facing is because you get up and leave the table. Kelly follows you out. You're in the sprinter van. And you're going at it like, oh, Portia did too much. Porsche brought my mom into it. Porsche did X, Y, and Z. It's like, well, let's go back. And this is kind of a microcosm for your entire season and why you get into so much trouble with people.

You brought up the moms. You brought up the kids. You brought up the family. Portia responded. You cried, left, and now are complaining that Portia brought up family. But you were the one that brought up all of that. And this is why you look around the table and you have beef with every single person there. This is when we get the montage of her starting shit.

And it was Cynthia. he says, do you think she's done anything or is everybody picking on Shemia? And Kay Michelle's corroborating, too. This is what we needed. Because, again, we're privy to a lot more and we're privy to all of her really, really annoying confessions, Shamia. It's about damn time. It really is. I mean, it was clear as day to us. When things are clear as day to us, you know that a couple of like the better housewives are going to pick up on it. Angela picked up on it. Did you see Angela say a word during any of this? No, absolutely. not. This is between Portia and Shemia. It's always been between Porsche and Shemia,

but Angela was trying to get after Shemia because Shemia didn't want any smoke with Porsche. She didn't want anything to do with her. Porsche on the other end was doing nothing with Shemia. So that leaves a little bit of an opportunity. But once that opportunity is gone and it's just between these two, Angela didn't say a word. She didn't try to make it her moment, which shows me again, that she's a great housewife. I love Angela. But Cynthia is stepping in and finally just pointing it out like, yeah, I've been seeing this. Okay, Michelle, what do you have to say about this? She said some things, and we've been talking about it on the side as well.

Pinky's noticed a couple of things. You see the entire cast notice. And it starts off a little bit like, yeah, there's a lot of things that she clearly is carrying on her shoulders, which I don't know. I mean, we've seen a lot of like her things. I guess she does have some things that she's been worrying about. But it seems to be only the things in her life. And then it's just all of the Porsche shit. So this is her time to just kind of go off, get it all out there.

And instead of feeling help or instead of feeling. like, all right, I got this all out there. She goes to the sprinter van and cries with Kelly as if she didn't start the whole thing. None of this had to happen, but you wanted to get it off your chest, which is fine, but at least be able to stand there and take it afterwards. Instead, you start something and then you leave the table and walk

away and go cry. Bad look. Terrible look. And you're the one that took it low. And then Porsche responded. Portia would go that low. You don't have to prompt her to do that. Like, she will play in the mud. But in this instance, you're the one that took it to that point. And then you go to the sprinter van and cry and have Kelly back you up.

And your big complaint is she came after my mom, my family, blah, blah, blah. You started it, man. And she clapped back. And I think that again, look around the group. Everybody's saying, like, yeah, we've noticed things. Like, yeah. And two things can be true. like for the the Shamiya friends in the group it's like she does seem like she's carrying a lot

and this could be just kind of a buildup of a couple of things with Portia a couple of things with Angela and it has turned into this monster where it's like everybody's attacking me and I'm just in defense or defensive mode sure and that's okay like you can come out of that and be fine but you got to go about it a little differently because the way that she went about it. Of course, this is what happened. Of course, you get clapped. And then you cry and you leave. Don't throw the first stone if you can't handle the heat.

Yeah. Tough to watch. Usually it is for Shmia, but definitely tough to watch. Let's get to some questions. First one up here from Brian Stomeman 83. Do you think Shemina can come back from this one? Look, it depends on what you mean by that. For me, personally, I've been out on Shemia since day one.

I, yes, Bravo is going to continue to force her on the show. They're going to continue to make sure that she's part of the show, that she's a centerpiece of the show. Why, I have no clue. Maybe, you know, you can ask Angela about that. I'm sure she's got some feelings on it. But come back in the sense of getting to a good place at the audience, probably not. I mean, this is who she is.

Yeah, that's going to be tougher. As far as like finding a spot on this show that's, that flows better. Yes, I think that there is. is a place for her. I think that production did not know what they were doing when they made her her center peach. I think that this is a, this is stemming from all of that.

And I think another layer to that is she's extra emboldened by it because I do believe that Portia said that kind of shit where it's like, ah, no, this is my thing. So now that she got it and she sent her peach, I think she feels even more of a responsibility to like shove it in Porsche's face, which I get, like, that's fair. but the problem is it's not coming off that way. It's actually coming off in a detrimental way to Shemia.

And now she has to play defense while she's trying to clean things up and it's not going very well. And that's actually interesting. Chappas 0907. Do you think there's something else going on with Shemia? And that's why she's reactive. Yes. Yeah. I think there's something.

Probably. But I mean, we can't really speculate on it, obviously. It's hard to do that. Yeah. I think it's more. like Andre Drew one asked who's more to blame for the friendship breakdown now Shamir or Porsche it's it's Shemia it's I think that she for all of the reasons that you just labeled out there that's the friendship breakdown right there yeah it's the way that

shimia has handled all of these things she could have handled it with grace she could have just been excited to finally be there and instead of being excited to finally be there she just took her opportunity and acted like she was the center peach I don't know who's to blame for that one necessarily but for the friendship breakdown I do think that Shia they handled so many different things. And instead she just took it and ram with it. And it obviously was detrimental to the whole thing. Yeah.

SDMWVU is Shamiya doing too much and then playing victim. Play with fire. You will get burned. Yes. And that's, that's her biggest miss is that she does not acknowledge her role in any of this. Because I do think there's two sides to every story. It takes two to tango.

Whatever phrase you want to use, like, yeah, she's not the only one throwing shit. shade and talking shit, but because she is not acknowledging that she's part of the problem. She's just the victim calling her mom and crying, going to the sprinter van and crying. Yeah, I think she is doing way too much. And then trying to play the victim card. It is not working. And now it's even more obvious because her supporters in Kelly, K.

Michelle and Pinky are not just falling in line. They're all questioning what she's doing now. And it's making it even worse for Shemia. Yeah. It's gotten worse. They're not even doing the like, you know, I'm just kind of try to make my own friends and do my own thing and not really support you because that's bad for me. They're actually going an extra level and now pointing out that you have been the problem for the majority of the season. But Popo Dilley said after Porsche's hit on candy with Fager, I can't believe anything that Porsche says.

Team Shemia always. Look at that. We've got a team Shemia person. The only one. It's got to be a tough one. It's really got to be a tough podcast for you to watch. Sorry, Popo Daly. Yeah, Emma Gordon is Shemia dragging the mood down seemed enjoyable until she played the victim again. Yeah. Yes. I think that's why I said.

There is a place for her on this show, but she has to get over herself. Yep. I want to end on one, but there's one there specifically for you because I'm not cooking that shit. Where to go? Oh, J. Beda Hut, 713. Would you cook Haggis? Probably not.

you'll cook any. Oh, really? I was going to say you cook anything. Not because I'm like, ew, yucky. I just, I don't know when I would have to or even have the necessary ingredients to do it. I would definitely try it. And if I was in a place where I would try it in Scotland. Yeah. Yeah. And if I was in a place where like, like, if I was in Scotland and there was a cooking class to learn how to make Hagas, yeah, for sure. 100% would try it. But I just don't see myself going to purchase those ingredients in my home and do it. I think it smells while you're like the process. Yeah. I think it has an odor.

I heard that. Yeah. I heard it stinks. Yeah. Ending on this one from Josie T. Bear. Yes, pelvic floor therapy. They put their finger in you to check how stronger pelvic floor is.

So, indication for Drew, I believe. There you go. Yeah, that's answering the questions that everyone's asking. We can end on this one, actually, from Blacksmith, Trev.

Where was last episode's recap? We were on vacation. shooter was and I here's a breakdown of last week's episode uh did you fuck george maybe maybe jerry's still out kind of there was no definitive no and also that does bring up one more point from this week's episode which brother not that's ludicrous my mom would never which brother oh that one yes yeah she did yeah i think but the other one definitely didn't she did yeah Tough, tough look. I don't know.

We'll see where Shamea lands. I do again, I know that you're not team Shemia at all. I think that there is a spot for her on this show. I just think that she, she needs to be humbled a little bit, and that's also not her fault. That to me is producers for sticking her in the center both last season and this season. You're giving her a false sense of confidence, and it is hurting her performance on the show.

correct sure is but anyway we will see how it shakes out i think we're getting close i would imagine like maybe two or three more episodes and then the reunion but we shall see but uh that's all i got you got somebody actually message us and said you guys really need to look up Wikipedia it'll tell you how many episodes are left Wikipedia we've been told our whole lives is not a credible source not a credible source i can confirm that because i have absolutely done exactly what that person said and it's almost never right. So I don't know what you guys want from me. Do you know how much we got told that in high school?

Because that's what Wikipedia was like huge and I came on the scene and every single teacher we had would have to say that. This is an unreputable source. You can't cite Wikipedia. If you use Wikipedia, make sure you double check your your facts with peer reviewed sources. Correct. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. No. No. No, thank you. No, thank you. But anyhow, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope.

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