Bros & Shows - Bethany x Raquel Interview pt. 3 with Zack peter from #NoFilter w/ Zack Peter!

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

What's up Bro's? We joined forces with our favorite platinum blonde, Zack Peter, to break down the third part of Bethenny's interview. We talk about the alleged abuse from James Kennedy, the dog situation of this whole thing and whether or not Bethenny had Raquel's best interest at heart (she didn't). Raquel continues to lean on the fact that she her whole cast made so much money off of this while her name and her brand were dragged through the mud. While this is true, she seems to forget why her name and brand were dragged through the mud. On the other side of this, Bethenny is not only ill prepared, she does not do Rachel any favors. Instead of diving into therapy and hearing about how Rachel has improved herself and what kind of work she's been doing to become a better person, Bethenny steers her into a victim narrative and an attempt to paint the Bravo network as a horrible toxic place that is at the root of this whole scandal. Bethenny used her platform and Rachel as her sacrificial lamb to push her own narrative instead of showing concern for Rachel and doing her best to help her to move forward. All that and more with our main bro Zack! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to break down part three of Bethany Frankel's interview with Rachel Raquel, Rocky, Rockie. you bang bang levis and steel and shooter from the brabros are here to help me do so so please help me welcome steel and shooter welcome on here welcome on it what's up guys yeah good job good job, Steele. We'll start us off. Okay, so we have part three, which I'll briefly recap for everybody, and then we'll dive into it, because I know, Steele, I know you're fired up. I was getting a flood of text messages with all of, well, Steele, to be frank, got a flood of text messages from me the other day, and then he finally listened to Part 3, and I got a flood of text messages from him. But basically, we open up with Bethany. She talks about how Andy made this, like,

flippant comment that she reads out of context about Rachel being on medication, which, to be clear, Andy made this statement in response to being asked how Rachel could be so common at the reunion. He said she must have been on medication because she was so emotionless. Rachel then goes into talking about how it violates her HIPAA rights, which I don't believe is true. I don't think she understands how HIPAA works. I don't even think she knows how to spell HIPAA. But Bethany says that an employer should never be the one to put that information out there, even though Andy didn't put it out there. He didn't say she was on medication. He didn't. and say she's being medicated for this specific issue.

He's speculated also Andy Cohen is not Rachel's employer. Andy Cohen was contracted to host the Vanderpump Rules reunion. Andy Cohen is not a producer on Vader Pump Rolls. So technically he's not her boss. He's a producer on the Real Housewives franchise and he's a host of Watch What Happens Live. But he does not work for Bravo specifically anymore outside of being a host for Watch What Happens Live. he has no creative control over Vanderpump Rules. So technically he's no less of an employee by Vanderpump Rules than Raquel is by being

contracted to host the reunion. Rachel says her HIPAA laws were violated again when it got leaked that she was in mental treatment. So this bitch doesn't know what a HIPAA violation actually is. I don't believe that's a HIPAA violation either. Someone just gave her a buzzword and she's making big accusations. Again, three parts. Let's go.

She then addresses the rumor that she was not, that she was at a spot and not at a rehab. She says that her cast members fed into that lie in the press, which is also not true because I believe Tom Sandibald did an interview with TMZ where he very clearly came out to defend her. I feel like Bethany would know all of this if she actually did her research. Rachel says that she found out, she found this info out and then told her team to dispute the narrative, which is confusing to me because how does she find this info out if she's in treatment and doesn't have access to her phone, which is also what she said, how are you following the headlines from treatment? Are you supposed to be in treatment? Aren't you supposed to be doing your macaroni art? She said it was more salacious to be at a spa, so Bravo wanted to keep up that narrative.

She has Bravo to pay for her treatment. They declined. Bethany speculates that it probably leans to their culpability, and they would be taking responsibility by paying for it. She said that after the legal letters came out, which were the season desists, or no, not the season desist, the legal letters that they sent out recently telling Bravo, hey, by the way, we might sue you.

Not that we are suing you, but we might sue you. So just heads up, FYI. Bravo then offered security to protect her. I do think that that was a little fishy of the network, if that is true. She gets into Lala making Send It to Daryl merch. I'm sad I didn't wear my Send It to Daryl merch sweater today, but I am in the process of moving, so I don't have that for you. But she's mad that Lala capitalized off of that and she got nothing,

but like, I'm sorry, make your own fucking merch and you're good. Like, I don't understand why she's so upset. Lala capitalized off it the same way. Bethany's capitalized off of everything her entire reality career. Lala didn't use you. you. She leaned into the scandal, made her bag. She says that she didn't have her phone and she didn't follow anything once she was in treatment, yet somehow she was aware of all the headlines that were going on and she was releasing statements to the press. Bethany says, do we need to discuss the

dog? Is this dog thing relevant? Which just proves that Bethany is the ultimate loser and she didn't do her research. We get into the dog. Rachel says that Graham bit her mom. Her mom didn't take care of him. So Rachel was either going to have to leave treatment to come and take care of him also fucked up, but she was going to have to leave treatment to take care of her dog. But she said, I'm going to choose myself. I'm going to choose me. I'm going to focus on my mental treatment to fuck the dog. She also claims that James taught Graham how to be a biter. She claims that James is the one that taught Graham how to be aggressive. She says she has no regret or that she regrets everything that she did and she's sorry that the trust was broken

amongst her friendships. Her silver lining is that she's able to learn about herself. I don't feel like she's learned shit, but whatever. She says that she would never go back to reality TV, even though she was dressed in negotiations and she said that she would have returned if she would have gotten equal pay as Tom and Ariana, which is also stupid because Tom is a season 1 OG and Ariana has been on the show since what season like two or three. So this was Rachel's first full-time season. She got paid $361,000. Like take a seat. Bethany then ends by saying, I don't even know you, but I'm so proud of you. And she's like, you know, basically eating her Gucci. A steel shooter. What are your reactions to the interview?

that was a great breakdown I wish I didn't listen to the interview and just came in here and listened to the recap instead I was laughing because someone made a stupid comment and I didn't laugh at the same time what was the comment I was laughing out of tail what was the comment I don't know

something that were like a dog oh she repeated it did it again we got it soon come on Sue we can read enough oh what did Sue say oh sue said what did she say why can I see her comment oh you were like dogs with bones

Aren't you sick of burying this woman alive? For gosh, sake, stop talking about her. Hopefully she'll go away and start letting him a better of life. Look, I had a lot of comments on TikTok and Instagram that were saying stuff like this. And here's the thing. We wouldn't talk about her if she wouldn't keep doing fucking interviews. This is our job to comment on this shit. We get paid to do so.

So we have to talk about it. If she keeps putting it out there, we're going to fucking talk. It's the number one podcast on the planet. Worldwide. On Earth. Not even on Mars, on Venus. It's the number one planet, or the number one podcast in the universe. So we have to talk about it, Sue.

This is our job. We don't want to talk about it. I hate, Bethany. I'm tired of this narrative. Sue's just mad, yeah, Sue's just mad that she's not getting paid to talk about it. Yeah, Sue. Yeah, this is a great, great way to start the show, guys. All right, let's leave Sue out of this.

Sue, shut up. No one that's here from me anymore. We left the dog, we left the bone alone, and we came for you. Yeah, exactly. That's what you wanted, Sue. so here we are. Sue said, sorry it's getting old, but Sue's here watching the live with us.

It's not like the live is entitled, too. Like, if you don't care, then don't click on it. Anyway, too. I love how this one started off. I actually had to call Steele because I was driving home from the shore. When Bethany said, and she's talking about the Zadax and everything on set during the reunion, she goes,

I think, like, even strip clubs have codes of conduct, right? Where the fuck is Bethany talking about? like I that was one of those moments that I had to stop and say like what is actually going on why is she doing this does she know anything about anything probably not between that and her and Rachel talking about how I guess James Kennedy has a full blown like dog biting fetish like what the fuck is that I had no idea there was so many what the fuck moments from this and like that could also be entirely true I could absolutely see that and that's the weirdest thing from this interview the rest of it was just ridiculous all I get from the dog biting thing was that when dogs nip, you know, when they're puppies and they like to gnaw a little bit, I imagine he would just stick his, I've seen people do that a thousand times. I don't promote the behavior either because it does lead to a potential biter. But I don't think that's James encouraging biting the way that she frames it. It's like he was getting Graham ready for like a dog fighting ring. Like yeah, I used to like shove his hand in his mouth because it turned him on

and that led to biting. No. Okay. So I just learned this today because I have two six year old puppy or sorry, six month old puppies. I have two of them now. I got a new one on Friday. Um, so, and I just learned this because I have a friend that lives here in downtown that also has a six month old puppy and his dog grew up with my dog and now both of my dogs because they just, um, they're, they're all friends now. But so he was teaching me that like when the dogs do bite, you put your hand in their mouth and you kind of like, that's how you, like, uh, intercept the behavior and teach them not to bite. I don't fully understand it. He was trying to explain to me, but I wasn't really paying attention. But so I don't, like, I need more detail. as to what that means that James taught him how to bite, and James wanted him to bite harder. Like, to me, there's something about that that's like fishy and off. Yeah, no, I didn't like any of that. That was the weirdest part of the entire podcast, I thought, for me.

But I think it was just clearly evident throughout this part more than even the first two parts that Bethany has absolutely no idea what she's talking about. And she has no background information. When she was talking about the Xanax thing, she's talking about how somebody threw a bottle around and it was just like everybody was medicated like she has no idea what she's talking about she shouldn't be doing this interview to begin with but here she is yeah because the xanax thing it was schwartz right and Raquel wasn't even on set on at that moment right wasn't he was sitting on the state yeah he was sitting

on the state he was I don't know she was not no it was like part two and he like made a joke about it and he's like does anybody need Xanax and like he took half of Xanax and that was the extent of that joke that he rachel wasn't even on set like she wasn't even there like it was just it was bizarre and then they're like that's a hippa violate like the hippa thing was so weird to me because they're not medical professionals exactly like hipa okay yeah let's be clear as to what hippa is hipa is when medical professionals have to keep your medical information confidential that's medical like nurses and doctors cannot share your medical information that would be a violation of your HIPAA rights, right? Andy's speculating. Andy, who's really just an employee speculating.

I mean, Bethany did the same thing at what the season two reunion on Scary Island when she was talking about how Kelly Ben-Simon is mentally unwell. That's technically, if we're going by the same standards, that's technically a HIPAA violation because Bethany would technically be outing Kelly Ben-Simon's mental health issues, right? Yeah. And he's speculating on like, Look, I could say, hypothetically, to all of you right now, like, Shooters got the clap. That would be... You were down Wildwood for, like, three days. That's the point.

But that's the thing. Like, that's not violating HIPAA. Is it being an asshole? Sure. Are you supposed to divulge her medical information? No, but at the same time, I also, I think the funniest response from that was Andy speculates that she's medicated. and her first response to Bethany is I was medicated.

So it's like, okay, well, then he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong, Rachel. Like, he called it out and you were. Like, what's the fuck are we doing? And we already went through all of this. It's supposed to, even the girl who she suspects left the Meadows treatment and went and told the press that Raquel was there. Even her.

That's not a violation. Yeah, no, it's not a, no. Just because you're an idiot and you walked in and actually, I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation, by the way, if it happened, she could have made the entire thing up. But if she actually walked into this treatment facility and spoke to another girl there that recognized her and told her everything because this girl was in treatment during the whole thing, I would have loved to have seen that because that's probably the only time that we'll actually get the full true like Raquel side of the story. Because whatever she's doing

now is just manufacturing different things that aren't working. That's a really good point. None of it makes it. Like the interview is so bad. And it's like if you're going to interview her, then like you want to be able to ask her like you want to be able to give a little pushback because I mean other this is what was so wrong about the Howie Mandel interview is it's like he just let Tom talk and believed whatever Tom said and that's what's happening with Bethany and Rachel it's like you don't know any of the details so you're just taking their word at face value and we forget that they were lying to the entire world for seven months everybody wants to keep saying they made a mistake everybody everybody makes mistakes everybody gets that way and I'm just like no it's not a

mistake when you deliberately make the same choice over and over and over and over and over for seven months and lie to people and don't bring it up on camera you're keeping it from the cameras while also taunting ariana and taunting katy you're taunting other people in their relationships while you're doing this shady shit what was crazy to me like throughout this entire third part of the episode and you can kind of hear it as these episodes play on and in the beginning she's kind and neutral that she starts to lean towards playing the victim role a little bit. Yeah. But you can feel Bethany pushing her further and further towards it.

She's, she's hinting at certain things like, oh, even when they reference Tom and Ariana's relationship, Bethany leans into it. Oh, there was no romance left. And oh, it wasn't like she's trying to belittle what actually happened. As the episodes progress, you can hear Raquel buying more and more into the fact that, oh, yeah, these people were doing wrong by me to the point where in episode three, she's complaining about everybody making a bag off of this whole thing

and the whole scandal of all thing she brings up, send it to Daryl which free promo for Lala you idiot but as she's talking about all this she's like my brand is trashed they're dragging my name through the mud it's like do you forget why do you forget why we're here right now

you're the one that fucked your friend's boyfriend that's why we're here let's not forget the reasons and this is the problem with going on this kind of platform and going up against somebody like Bethany who doesn't do her research is we were all kind of, I think this was starting to smooth over a little bit and had she come out and said, look, I made a lot of mistakes. I spent a long time in therapy. I was away

for 30, 60, 90 days, whatever, looking inward and I see the error in my ways. I'm doing my best every day to get better. We would have a much different outlook and a much different conversation right now, but because she went on Bethany's platform, who doesn't know what she's talking about, it was pushing the victim narrative towards her. Now Rachel comes out looking even worse. And we were all ready to kind of be like, all right, look, Sandoval's back on the show. He's mixing up with the cast.

They seem to at least be amicable with him. Maybe it's time that we kind of move forward from this. Lo and behold, Rachel shoots herself in the foot once again and then starts pointing fingers and completely disregards the fact that you are the one that fucked Tom. Exactly. And my thing is it's like you spent 90 days in a treatment center. You went to go get help, and then you come out talking about the same shit that you went to go get help for.

Like, why are you back in this mix? Why? And then maybe like, well, she has, and she deserves the right to tell her story. Then she should have come back on the show. That's a good point. She should have came back on the show. She could have solved her whole I'm broke problem right then and there because you're going to get paid a little bit more. You want Tom and Ariana money.

You're not going to get that, but you're going to get paid more than you got last year. They're going to give you some sort of compensation. But she definitely has somebody, whether it's her family or. or somebody that she's close to or even fucking Bethany, in her ear talking about how last season was all because of you. These numbers that happened, it's all because of you. And she doesn't really understand the negativity of it. She's just looking at it from a, it's a show standpoint.

And you can tell that she just can't quite wrap her head around it when she's talking about the Vegas trip and how she says that lady, or she says that Lala and Christina Kelly came into a room the next day and said, wow, that was gold for Kel. That was so good last night. And then they were mean to her later when the, when the camera showed up. She just doesn't quite understand what this is. She can't really separate the reality TV, the ratings and everything from real life.

But also, let's be clear. Everybody, like a lot of people like to say that, like, this, the show would have been canceled and Raquel saved it. If Raquel fucked any other random dude, we wouldn't give a shit. It's the fact that Tom and Ariana have been together for nine years and we followed their relationship from the very beginning on Vanderpump Rules for so many seasons. that's why it was such a big scandal is because of the fact that we were invested in their relationship not just because Rachel came in

to screw things up with their relationship people are giving her a little too much credit in this case it takes three to tango Tom Ariana and Rachel and had the three of them not been a part of this this formula would not have popped off the way that it has yep that's really well said and I think that

that kind of plays into since this whole thing is starting to turn, sorry, towards monetization. And we talked about it a lot in our episode the other day. But Bethany keeps preaching to Rachel in this interview about the fact that she didn't get paid like they did. She didn't make this kind of money off of her. Again, you're the one that did this.

You're the villain, so you're not going to get the payout for it. You cause the problems. The fact that Bethany can sit there and talk about monetizing and talk about exploitation, and talk about all this bullshit when she's going to make over six figures from this one episode easy, if not more. It's going to be an astronomical number that she's putting away. Shooter and I discussed it.

Shooter was saying, why does Raquel deserve to be paid? I'm not saying she does. I'm saying in this Pacific, Jesus, in this specific instance, because she's on this platform, Bethany, of all reality stars deserve to be paid, then you need to pay Rachel for this.

She deserves to get a big cut of whatever you're about to. make because of your stupid platform that you're dying on plus residuals plus residuals plus all of that because that's the platform she's dying on right now and i can't stand the fact that we have to sit there and listen to her just be a hypocrite over and over again with no kind of reprimand and now she's got the number one podcast in the world which sucks the galaxy like here we are it's just it's stupid like bethany knows what she's doing and anybody that's falling for this like i'm sorry you're a moron like this is literally like it's not about rachel telling her side of the story because if we gave a fuck about rachel we would pay her because we're complaining that she

didn't get paid by bravo and she was exploited by bravo and that's not what bethany's doing bethany's literally using her and and squeezing every ounce of juice out of this orange because she wants to make sure that she can one stay relevant and two continue to collect money she has this insatiable quench for relevance you know she can have all the money money in the world and she still wants more and now it's just like it's unsavory my biggest issue with this whole entire interview is that like bethany is just i get it she doesn't give a she and she's like i'm the number one podcast but it's like we're listening to her podcast we're helping her become number one but we don't like her so when the podcast is done we're not going to listen to

next week's episode when she's recapping real housewives the salt lake city with jerry springer like nobody gives a fuck about that oh sorry well yeah yeah all right knowing Knowing Bethany, she would bring him back to life just to interview her podcast so that she could say that she could do that. I actually, it was a throwaway comment last week, but I really do feel like Bethany could lean into this type of crap. We said that maybe she would even have Luke from below deck on next week to tell his side of the sexual harassment story. That is what she's going to do. She's going to lean towards that stuff that's only going to give her publicity. And she won't have any homework done.

She will have no background information. She will literally read what happens on the show on her phone in the middle of an interview. She doesn't care. She just wants clicks. I know. Yeah, I know. That's what I was alluded to.

Yes. But that's what she wants. She just wants the clicks. She does not care about anything else. Yes. But, and I will say this because like my podcast makes the press all the time, right? We always get picked up.

And I will say as great at that. At first, I loved it. I was like the ego validation like they're mentioned by this and this and this, whatever. It doesn't do anything. It was other than the ego validation of knowing your name or whatever was mentioned in the press. It doesn't drive clicks. It doesn't drive clicks. It doesn't.

drive traffic like it gives you mention in some sense of relevance for that moment but like for the most part it doesn't drive what i think people think that it drives so my thing is it's like bethany's doing all this and maybe you're right shooter maybe she will lean into this but the biggest issue is that and as a business woman i'm really surprised that she isn't looking at it from this lens is it's like she's alienating herself from her own customers from her own you know fans like me i would buy her books. I would, if I were to see Skinny Girl out at CBS, I would buy myself a bottle with Skinny Girl and I would enjoy it. Listen, it's only 11 bucks. That, like, I actually would invest in Bethany. I enjoyed watching her. I would, I watched the big shot with Bethany. Like,

I enjoyed Bethany. And now I'm like, I never want to see a Skinny Girl bottle ever again. I never want to buy another one of her products ever again. It's just we're so fatigued with her at this point that like, to me, you've completely cut off your own leg. When you lose your customers, It's like, why did people buy Bethany's products to begin with? Not because it was the most amazing thing. It was a fucking margarita. But people invested in her because they connected with her. They watched her on the show.

They saw her struggle and they were rooting for her. Nobody is rooting for Bethany. Cool that you have the number one podcast in the galaxy. Nobody gives a fuck about you. That's the funny thing is that we haven't watched those seasons with Bethany in them. But we've had a lot of people reach out and say, oh, my God, Bethany was my favorite. I posted, or we posted a video the other day.

of in response to Bethany eating the crab legs and we were just saying simply that we don't want to watch any human being eat crab legs in front of a screen that close like we don't want to watch it it's gross and we got so much backlash and this was two weeks before the episode dropped and everybody was going to bat for saying we love Bethany like how dare you go after her you're trying to silence a woman blah blah blah like no we're not we just don't want to watch people eat crab legs because it's yucky fast forward two weeks and after this we've gotten so many comments and messages of people saying she was my favorite housewife like i was right or die for bethany i cannot stand her i'm over it i'm done with her she's lost her mind she's lost my interest

like every single negative thing you can say about her is being said about her and that's the thing i feel like she saw this opportunity and she sold her soul and not in a way that's going to continue to monetize i don't see her next step here unless it is to start interviewing people like Luke from below deck and start just playing the weird villain like villain I can't villain villain villain in the podcasting realm which she might and like look as content creators and somebody over here keeps commenting trying to like knock us down a peg saying aren't you going for clicks yeah we all go yes Linda we all go for clicks and I understand that technically yeah we are discussing Bethany to get clicks and to get more listens however the difference

here is we are coming from a place of commenting on what she produced this nonsense, this bullshit podcast in which you're trying to defend that she's saying that she was going to advocate for Raquel, that she was trying to support Raquel, that she was trying to get her voice out there. I said to shoot her in our podcast the other day. I believe that Rachel has the right to speak out on what her side of the story is. Absolutely. Anybody has the right to talk about their side of things, especially something as public as this. She had every right to come forward. She has every right to voice how she feels, what she went through. I'm sure. sure it was a really difficult time and a lot of people could have learned a lot from this and been

like wow she went away for 90 days and she seems like she's doing a little bit better i'm happy for it was awful what she did but let's move forward instead she went this route in which she's trying to play some kind of victim card and it's like look dude we watched what you did for a whole fucking season it was really really awful and it wasn't just you banging him it was you getting buddy buddy with Ariana. It was you betraying Sheena, your best friend. And then when you have the chance to talk about what Sheena did for you, you go ahead and say that it was fake, that you had to pay rent, and that you were watching her cat, and that it wasn't really that she was this motherly figure that she's trying to pretend to be. It's like, why are you trying to throw everybody that

actually supported you under the bus? You did this. And Tom did this. And that's the other thing I want to talk about. Tom deserves just as much shit. And he deserves more shit. He's the biggest villain here and he's not getting as much shit which sucks but i'm sick of people saying that are taking the stance of she's allowed to tell her story and bethany's trying to help her do that because bethany buried her bethany fucked her completely and she's not going to come back from this now because of bethany yeah and because of the stupid podcast if she gave if bethany was trying to help her tell her story bethany would have got like helped us get to know her we would have gotten into the adoption story we would we would have realized that this was a real person and a real key

human being, Bethany would have humanized her. Bethany didn't give a shit about humanized her. Bethany didn't give a shit about letting her tell her story. Bethany gave a shit about exploiting her the same way Bethany is accusing Bravo of exploiting her. Bethany didn't talk about her treatment or what she learned from treatment. We got what, maybe two minutes of this entire two-hour interview that Bethany sliced up into three different parts. Like, come on. Bethany doesn't give a shit about Rachel.

We got a five-in-a-monologue. Yeah, we spent more time on the dog than we did on Rachel's actual treatment it just it didn't make any sense and you can tell bethany just seemed like somebody who was out of touch that just one of the gossip at this point she didn't care about who rachel was she said multiple times like it's nice to know you i and then at the end of the interview she said i don't know you at all but i feel bad for you like it just didn't make any sense nothing she was doing if she had just promoted and i know somebody in the comments had just said something about uh raquel doing her own podcast i do wonder if rickle had done this and who the fuck knows if

she's going to do a podcast she makes it seem like it's really hard to do it we know you just buy some equipment and just like fire up a video camera or an iPad or something and just get after that's what you do but if she had done this on her own without Bethany if she's just posted hey I'm going to start a podcast guys and I'm really going to go in depth with this I actually think that would be worse because she's going to make that last multiple episodes and we're going to have to listen for all the little details and this and that and whatever this is just kind of who Rachel is I don't see her going to treatment and coming out and being remorseful as we would have pushed her to do but also bethany just saw her opportunity she was licking at her

licking the chops she said she flew out to ari to go see her because she was a flight she was afraid she was going to be a flight risk she wasn't going to show up that's how much bethany needed her on the show to promote her own business and that's exactly what it is in a nutshell but if you break that last part down when she says i flew out to you she is trying to sound like a savior like a she's trying to see like a motherly person yeah and it's crazy it's like you don't give a fuck about this person you don't even know who this person is you didn't even know who this person is You didn't even take the time to watch the season, and that's what sucks about it. She has no context for what she's talking about, as we've referenced already.

But that's where the most diabolical part of this whole thing lies is watching her interact with everybody, knowing that behind the scenes, she's having sex with Tom. And you don't even know that. You're so focused on the fact that everybody on this show cheats. Yes, they do. Absolutely. Do they deserve to get dragged? Yes, they do. Absolutely.

But that's not what we watched. What we watched was somebody slither in between all of these friends and continue to have this narrative of I'm finding myself. I'm finding myself this year. This is the year of Raquel, baby. And all we watched was her be a snake. And then she comes out and says, I'm still finding myself. It's like, well, who the fuck are you?

Because every version I've seen of you so far sucks. I mean, the fact, like, I just, the fact that she, like, befriended, like, continued to befriend Ariana and go on what was it the Betches podcast like a week before the scandal even broke and talk about like how Sheen and Ariana were her good friends and they took her in and then now she's just like we were never

really friends and like I wouldn't have actually done this if I would have thought that there was longevity in their relationship it's like my mind was just literally fucking blown listening to the words that came out of her mouth and Bethany just kind of kept giving her room to hang herself

rather than like as an interviewer and you guys know this you guys have had your podcast and interviewed people on your podcast and you you understand that like your job is to not make the audience hate your subject not make the audience hate your guests like if anything it's the exact opposite you want people to get to know them because as you guys know we get to know them so differently we're with them in person or even on zoom sometimes like we're with them and we can see a different side of them and like we get to know them in a different way that it's like you want the audience to also see them in that way. And the fact that Bethany didn't do that, she didn't set Raquel up for success. And if

anything, it was the opposite. She set her up to fail. It was, you know, wild to me. I just don't think that Raquel is smart at all. And I just wonder who is feeding her this information because there's no way that she came into this interview with the agenda that I'm going to completely downplay my friendship with Ariana. I'm going to lean into the fact that that relationship was completely fake and it was just for a brand so that people feel better for me, I guess, or they can kind of understand where I'm coming from. I just don't know who fed her that idea.

And then she just started running with it. I know Bethany did, obviously, like you said, she gave her a couple of words here and there to hang herself, essentially. And she took the bait at every opportunity. But she had an agenda to try to knock down this friendship that she had. And it's the weirdest stance ever. Nobody has her best interest in mind. Whoever is telling her to do this just wants to see her fail

or thinks that they're better than everybody else. It doesn't make any sense. If she had just come in and just was remorseful, we've seen it from Lala, we've seen it from Ariana even. Yeah, we were a little hard on her, but it was three weeks after it happened. Of course we were. We're not going to be friends with her ever again. But if you're remorseful now, people might start feeling sorry for you. People might feel worse for you.

You start talking about your treatment. Bethany didn't give her any of the tools to get that done. She wanted a revenge thing. She wanted to say, no, no, no, you're absolutely right. Whatever you did was entirely fine. Everybody cheats on that show. You're good. Bethany has no idea what's going on, but she also knows what she's doing at the end of the day,

and it completely screws over Raquel. She tries to also paint this picture, and you hear how she's wording things about Andy and about on the reunion. He asked you to come back. He kept saying, come back. It's like, yeah, if you watched and really paid attention to why he was saying, come back, it was actually with a little bit of sympathy. Like, hey, hold on. Let's like calm this down before you leave. It was not, hey, come back and take your beating. Yeah. She's trying so hard to paint the narrative of this poisonous Bravo world that she's pushing it on poor Raquel in this moment. And I will say poor Raquel in that regard because she's using her to push both of her agendas, one, her podcast

and two, this weird platform of strike for the Bravo world. And Raquel is her sacrificial lamb. And that's not fair for somebody that's been through as much as she has with all of this. I know she made her own bed and I was to lie in it. But this was a chance for her to have some kind of, I don't want to say redemption, but at least a little bit of a reprieve from all the shit and all the hate. I don't think that anybody deserves to read in comments for four, six, eight months that you're subhuman, that you don't belong in this plague. No one deserves to hear that. I agree with that. You're not doing yourself any favors. And to the Ariana thing, when she was talking about her being acquaintances and says what Ariana did for her, she says,

she looked out for me, she had my back, she defended me. She was there when James left, or when I broke up with James. It's like, what do you? That's an acquaintance. That's a friend, dude. That's what a friend does for you. And you said that in the interview, but you guys aren't, aren't close. So I get really frustrated listening to this whole thing, trying to navigate what Bethany's trying to do versus what she's doing to Raquel versus what Rachel's role in all this is. Because she obviously plays a part as well, and she deserves shit for it. It's just, I feel like this was somebody who was extremely vulnerable. You came to this platform because, her mom is a bethany fan that's very important because her mom the pageant mother is pushing her to

do things right the mom likes bethany the mom says bethany's a force to be reckoned with that's not rachel's words that's her mom's words and because of that she goes on this platform she's ill prepared bethany's ill prepared and now rachel loses bethany's going to make a million dollars from this and she doesn't give a fuck she's already got 50 mil again it just sucks the whole thing sucks and it could have been handled so much better i think what bethany did was 10 times worse than what Bravo did because at least Bravo gave Raquel a contract that she signed and agreed to and they paid her and when Andy was asking Raquel to come back on set it wasn't to take her beating it was to tell her like he's like okay this is your opportunity to talk to tell your side and one thing that they've done that they've never really done before except for I think when Kim Richards and Luann went to or when Luan divorced Tom and when Kim went to um rehab they don't give you an opportunity. to have your own one-on-one, to have your side of the story told. And they gave her a second one-on-one interview where she got to then really mention it all

in the last few minutes of the reunion. So I feel like they gave her more of an opportunity to tell her side of the story than Bethany ever did. Bethany completely used her, completely took advantage of her. And I think Bethany is at this point just a sick woman that, you know, is so ego-driven that she doesn't even realize how much. she's actually hurting this girl more than she's helping her, you know? No, and how nice would it have been if we actually got like a legitimate interview with her about how it goes?

Like, ask her the tougher questions. Ask her about how after the reunion, you're going to talk about how bad it was and how ridiculous it was that people were yelling at you and saying really mean things to you. What did you do two minutes after you walked off stage? You and Sandoval were in your own dressing room, cackling, laughing as loud as you possibly could. You did not care. You didn't give a shit. talk about that. I don't want to hear about your treatment.

I don't want to hear about you doing this and that. Clearly nothing worked. I don't want to hear about your stupid dog. Who cares about the goddamn dog at this point? Hopefully the dog's doing okay, but, you know, whatever. I don't care. I want to know how you actually manage to do this, how you feel now, what happens, and how you're going to make it right or you're not going to make it right.

Whatever you got to do. I don't really care what it is. But that's not the way to go about it. I do want to talk about the dog and I want to talk about James and the accusations that she's made because Kristen has come out. and, you know, is also chiming in on this. But before we dive into that, I do want to say that I do love being a good party host. And part of being a good party host is having everyone's favorite drink candy.

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And a good host has Drizley. So download the Drizley app or go to Dr.I-Z-L-1.com. that's d r i z ly dot com now okay i want to talk about james and the accusations that rquel made against him because christin has chimed in and she has made it clear that she hasn't listened to the full interview but that she has list she's seen clips of it on tic talk she's claiming that bravo did not pay her off by giving her the spin-off that was never any hush money but she does say she does seem to agree that james was abusive towards christian now rickle has never said that she she's a, that James has been abusive towards Raquel, but Raquel said that Kristen, that James

was abusive towards Kristen. What are your thoughts on the accusations of abuse that Raquel has made against James? Are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game, meticulously breaking down and explaining exactly why a film does or does not work? Well, good luck with the search. Because we're having fun here on Adam does movies. Each and every week, I hit the big blockbusters. I cover the streamers. And I even toss in some. movie news for fun. Check out the show on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, on YouTube, and hopefully we can do movies together. Hot. So we actually interviewed Kristen a few months ago. She alluded to something similar, actually, in that interview briefly, I think, but didn't confirm anything.

It was no, I think we had all heard the rumors at that point. I think we brought it up. She didn't confirm anything but um look by her speaking out on that and all of us on the side of the content and the content creators we've all heard this we've heard this rumor we've heard inklings about it i think at this point because it's been brought to our attention because rachel said something and rachel her evidence was i've seen him be violent before i believe is what she said or something along those lines yeah and then when you have christin confirming it i think that we as an audience, we as listeners, we as viewers, there needs to be more discussion on this. I think that it's important. I think that it's a dangerous thing to let domestic abuse

try to get brushed under the rug because we have a more captivating story in Scandival. And I think that at this point, there's been enough red flags raised, enough hints here and there that we as content creators, Bravo as a network, needs to do more investigating. We need to get to the bottom of this, especially before the next season comes out, because if any of this is confirmed even remotely true, I don't want to watch James Kennedy on TV. I also think we need to be careful with the word abuse, because I feel like there are so many different types of abuse that people want to talk about. There's physical abuse. There's mental abuse. There's emotional abuse. There's sexual abuse. And we need to be clear because Rachel nor Christian have been clear

about what type of abuse. And we do know that Kristen and James had a very toxic relationship. We saw Kristen punch James on camera in what, that was at what Sheena's wedding. That was season four when they, three or four when they first started dating. So there was clearly physical abuse and their relationship was so toxic and so unhealthy. So I, like we need more details about this. We can't make these vague accusations or kind of just dance. around the topic without actually addressing it.

I agree with you. If there was any, like, I don't think there's ever an instance where a man should ever put his hands on a woman. And if James Kennedy was physically abusive towards Kristen, that's unacceptable. That's, there's no way that that would should be, that should fly and that James should still, you know, the network should still co-sign that. So, and co-signing it being keeping him employed. So I feel like.

I would imagine that Bravo has to be looking into it, especially with what, what happened with below deck last week. and there's just other things that are popping out. There's no way that they're not looking into it, but I think Steele's right in the sense that Scandival was so big that everything else just kind of gets swept away in it. And even during the reunion, when Tom's yelling at James Kennedy and says,

hey, what you did in Atlantic City was crazy. You were harassing a waitress going back and forth. You got kicked out of here. Like you were after, you slept her on the ass. Like, and we've heard multiple stories like that before. Now, we don't know if any of this is confirmed. It didn't see. He didn't deny it at the moment.

Like, he didn't. say a word he just smiled and like let it go and just went right back at tom so there's got to be something there when you hear this many stories there's got to be something there yeah we do have to be careful about it obviously we kind of have to dance around a little bit but we owe it to the audience we owe it to the audience to make sure that we kind of tread lightly with it and if there's ever any confirmation then they have to make an action you can't let him on the screen anymore there's cheating on your you know nine year girlfriend if you want to do that but you can't do that there's different lines to this and that's not that's not good for tv that's not good for life it has to stop anyway. Bad for life. And I want to clarify, I want to clarify because people are chiming in. They're saying that, you know, he was verbally abusive towards, uh, towards Rachel. Um, I want to clarify that I wasn't trying to diminish that I was just saying, I think people are running with the narrative that he was physically abusive towards Kristen.

And we haven't confirmed that. Yes, we have seen him be abusive verbally, mentally, emotionally, emotionally. Yes, those instances we have seen play out. but I think it's the fact that people are running with the narrative that he was physically abusive towards her. And we, that has not been clarified because there are different types of abuse. And that doesn't mean that one's more, you know, one's worse than the other abuse is abused. It doesn't mean anything's worse than the other, but it means that you cannot throw out allegations of domestic violence without confirmation. And I think Rachel threw it out very flippantly without realize, because that's also not Rachel's place to even out Kristen's abuse.

That's Kristen's place to out that when she wants you, how she wants to. That's her own, you know, that's her journey to go on and share that publicly. Should she decide to do that? That wasn't Rachel's job. And I feel like Rachel was using that as a way to just kind of, you know, add more gas to the fire to make her cast members look worse to make herself look better rather than that truly coming from a place of concern for Kristen. But that goes to show you that she was just ill prepared for this entire thing because that's not. the only time that she threw something out there like that when the the video comes up that was recorded without a consent and let's clarify oh let's talk about that please go for yeah let's clarify

this right now right out of the gate that's fucking disgusting on sandoval's part yeah i'm getting feedback all right that's fucking disgusting on sandoval's part that is reprehensible he deserves to have legal action taken against him if it was distributed if it was showing it to other people it's fucking disgusting he's disgusting he's disgusting he deserves legal action. I hope he gets it. I hope that it's confirmed that he was sending it around and that he gets hit with the law. That being said, for her to then in turn say, Ariana is sending this video to other people. That's a felony in a lot of states. To send that video without her consent to other people and distribute it is a felony charge in many states. Yes. It's an actual law, which is one. Yeah, no,

I agree. I know. Sorry. And for her to throw out allegations like that, once again, there are legal ramifications for what you're saying we as podcasters know we can't come on here and say whatever the fuck we want because we know people are listening and if we say something that's not true that has a lot of ramifications to it we can get in a lot of trouble the same goes for her you can't go out there and say i think she's sending it to people when you don't know because it might seem ho-hum and helping your defense because oh this woman is sending a video of me masturbating to other people it's so disgusting isn't that isn't that gross guys yeah it's horrible if it's true but if you don't have proof that it's true,

you're now accusing Ariane of a felony with no proof. Again, you're shooting yourself in the foot. You're trying to do yourself a favor and you're not, instead of going about it that way, maybe say, hey, Sandoval is fucking disgusting for doing this.

Sand of all is gross for sending this to anybody. Sand of all is gross for showing this to people. Leave her alone. I don't think he showed it to people. I don't think he sent it to anybody. And she said in the interview that he told her that he recorded that so that she could see how beautiful she looked afterwards, which is disgusting.

I think the worst part about that is if it was on FaceTime, it means the Sandoval was in the corner in that little screen jacking off somewhere. So that's also in the video somewhere. But also, but can we all, like, let's rewind that tape back just a minute because she literally in that interview said, I was in my hotel room for watch what happens live. I turned on the video on demand porn. I was watching porn and I decided.

at a FaceTime Sandoval. Like, we're also, like, disregarding the fact that, like, she deliberately and intentionally FaceTimed him while she's watching porn, knowing that he's in a relationship. And at that point, she'd already known that Ariana was still interested in being with him because she had already had that conversation with her on camera. That is diabolical. I'm sorry. I know Bethany's feelings want to get hurt that Ariana called her diabolic on camera.

That is diabolical. You facetimed him when you put on porn. Also, who's paying for that porn? Bravo. Bravo. Andy Cohen put the bill for the porn. See, and she's like, I didn't make a penny off of, off of Scandival, but she's over here making Bravo pay for her porn.

But to your point, what you just said, Bethany is up in arms about them calling her diabolical. We had people send us clips. It was like a montage of the shit that Bethany said to other people. Are you shitting me? This woman's unhinged. She said some of the worst things I've ever heard, ever. And I've watched Bravo for a long time.

I watched Scandival. And still Bethany top some of that stuff with what she said. So how are you going to take this stance now that she's getting dragged more? You imagine if Bethany was Ariana. She might have murdered Raquel. Oh, yeah, yeah. Raquel might be dead. I want to talk about this stupid comment.

Ariana probably showed people without sending it electronically to avoid the charge. You really think her headspace when she finds out like what a fucking moron. You really think that when she finds out that her man was cheating on her, her first thought is let me not get charged with revenge porn so let me just show people because like what a fucking stupid comment like i just i'm sorry i i usually am i tried to tolerate bullshit but like when the comments are that stupid it's just it's ridiculous to me oh my god but okay so sorry that's that is really going after the comments today i'm i'm i'm channeling my inner bethany Frankl.

But so, like, my thing, too, is, was she really that upset that Sandoval did this? Because we then see afterwards, she filmed the scene with Sandoval where she's laughing with him in the finale. And they're like, oh, my God, this ended up so badly. We now find out through this interview with Bethany that she gave Sandoval a key to her apartment to stay at his, her apartment, so that he didn't have to stay with Ariana. We find out that she was sending him letters from treatment. so how postcards handwritten postcards you know with her little i can see it that's different a postcard's different than a letter because

arionic can read what you wrote yeah exactly so my thing is it's like how upset how violated how much are you angry at sandoval for filming this face time of you when you're continuing to up until recently remember we saw him on the plane with his phone and it had uh rake ral's name on his phone so she was still having communication with him very recently she hasn't cut the right i mean after the reunion we saw them laughing together in the in their room they wanted off-camera time where they can just be the two of them remember when he threw that whole tantrum about how like the two of us need to be got it around the trailer yeah like a fucking six-year-old so how angry is she with him and how violated does she feel by him because the violation is more him than it is ariana circulating this or not absolutely i think

that's the weirdest part to me is the stance that she takes against Ariana instead of Tom. Tom deserves all the heat. Tom deserves all the shit. Tom deserves legal action if this is in fact true. Ariana does not. She is the woman scorned here and I don't know why Rachel's suddenly the woman scored. I agree. It sucks that the video was shown to other people. It sucks that you're but we also don't know that. We haven't confirmed that. We haven't confirmed that anybody. Yes. We have not confirmed that anybody else has seen the video except for Ariana who found it on sand of all this phone. And what was it? Ariana sent it to herself and then sent it to Raquel. So she had it on her phone too. And I think that's kind of what Raquel's getting

caught up in is saying it's on Ariana's phone. Who else knows what she's done? Maybe she said it. Nobody's sharing that. Like that doesn't make any sense. If you're Ariana in that position, you're not going to send that video to Lala to Katie to anybody else and say, look at this. Do you believe this? You're going to be like, I saw this and describe it in great detail. But you're not going to show the video. That's fucking weird. It's disgusting. it to them, right? It's a video of this. Nobody wants to see, yeah, especially, no, you don't want to circulate your mistress's

vagina. Like, nobody wants to send it via Snapchat so that it would disappear. Oh, yeah, because she was thinking about it. Yeah, she wanted to make sure she didn't get to. Yeah, she's smart like that. Renee says iPhone users know when a picture and video is being taken. She knew. Actually, this is not true.

So you get a notification if somebody screenshots it, but you don't get a notification if somebody is screen recording. Yes. Oh, interesting. But also, when you screen record, there's no audio. So he really just had an audio list, a mute video of the two of them just masturbating on FaceTime. I don't know if that's worse or better. I can't.

And also, Bethany's talking about. That's probably better because he's probably singing in it. Ah, Jesus. It's hitting their single. Lightning in a bottle. This is where Bethany's stupid too is because she's just like, how do you feel that this video was played on the show? They discussed this video on the show.

like this was a violation and it was on the show which is not true because if anybody rewatches that finale and even the reunion they cut out any mention of what it was that Ariana found on his phone. We just know she found something on the phone. Never once do we hear the word FaceTime. Never once do we

hear the word masturbation. Like we don't hear any of that stuff because it was all edited out to protect Rachel. I thought it was just a nude. When I heard it, I'm like, oh, there's a nude picture of Ariya, sorry, of Rachel on the phone because we didn't get more info. than that. So I just assumed that she sent him.

He said normally I would have deleted something like that, which I think that kind of stuff with me, which is so funny. Like, how much does he have? There's definitely other women that he has pictures and videos of. Like, he's got a fake app. How often is he FaceTiming and like masturbating with these people? Like, what do you do? Well, that's what Rachel said. They face timed all the time. So he's probably got

like a whole vault in his phone with some fake app with like 16 videos. I don't even think it needs to just going over to her house and having sex. I don't even think it's a fake app. I think it's literally just in his. yeah um but also he did this from schwartz's bathroom like that's so creepy that's the best part yeah you don't remember that he taped this he went to he was at schwartz's apartment face timing rachel while he's mad like i just i couldn't masturbate in my friend's bathroom with my

mistress well shorts was probably on the other side of the door like him's probably handed him a bottle of lotion he was probably like you chafing in there buddy you need a little bit more like stick your hand out like sorry zach i know that he just dyed his hair and he wants to be one of your followers he did people don't seem to like it though oh i'm exhausted from this shit man i can't i can't do it i thought scandivall was over and that's the thing everybody's like why aren't we talking about sandival because sandville didn't do a fucking interview with bethany frankel we dragged him when he did the howie mandel interview the reason we're talking about this now is because it was further perpetuated by Bethany and

Rachel. We did a three-part interview. So guess what? We're going to talk about it three times this week because the interview was three parts long. Which is insane because if you add up the actual runtime of the show it was like two hours. Under an hour. No, it's under an hour and a half.

Because of the amount of ads that were on the show and I calculated it. The first episode was 12 minutes of ads, which means one-fourth of the show and Shooter likes the gas laid me on this one. Get over the fucking ads. No, because I don't understand why you still think it's about me having to click through the ads. It has nothing to do with listening to the ads. It has to do with the fact that you get paid per ad and the

fact that Rachel's not getting paid for this. And I can't get away from the platform in which Bethany's chosen to die on. It doesn't make sense to me that somebody that's advocating for fair reality wages is going to take this stance with Rachel when she's going to make a million fucking dollars from this. The hypocrisy makes me lie awake at night and think about it. And I hate that. fucking hate it. Go shut your front door. You're giving people anxiety. Yeah, you're getting people anxiety. She addressed that, though. She addressed it by saying her voice, her choice. That was Bethany's response. Her voice, her choice. I'm like, so

it's okay if you exploit her. If it's her choice to do so, then why isn't it? She signed a contract with Bravo. Her name is on the dotted line. She agreed to take, was it, $361,000 for which she didn't agree to because she got more because you get paid. She got a bonus clearly from the last season like it's just it's insane i don't get it i don't know i'm curious to see what happens next with rachel especially with the podcast that she like that's the other thing and i's never going to follow through on that see i disagree what is her podcast going to be about like she's going to have mental health professionals come on and talk to her about her trauma she's just going to tell a story and then she's going to have a doctor sit there and say well actually

this is how you should have been feeling in that moment and this is why you're feeling that way like nobody wants to listen to that no i think somebody needs to teach her what hipa is i think bethany's going to try to start like bet me bethany signs her to some bullshit network that she creates and then her first podcast is going to be rachel and everyone's going to listen to the first episode because like what's this about and then beth's going to be like i have the number one podcast on my network because i'm a genius crap leg it's so crazy it's literally insane Yeah, I don't know where we go from here. I'm just, I'm ready to, I can't wait for the new shows to come out so that we can start

talking about like Bravo again and not this fucking topic. I'm sick of it. Well, we know Scandabal is going to be another focus of the new season of Vanderpump. But from what I've heard, from what I have heard about it, they are not dragging Rachel. I think if anything, it was the opposite. They've only said nice things about Rachel throughout filming this most recent season. and so I feel like they would have given her because listen at the end of the day

I think they're going to hold sandibal to a higher standard than they would Rachel and I feel like they actually would have welcomed her back and embraced her listen jacks went through it Kristen went through it Stasi went through it they've all had to take the beating and take the heat and eventually you get through it and you end up on the other side

you don't stay the villain forever no no you can do horrible horrible things on Bravo, horrible, reprehensible things that most normal human beings could not come back from. But instead, on this network, not only can you come back, you can have a redemption arc in which you garner more fans after the fact. It's wild. But she completely negated all of that by going on to Bethany's podcast. She has no leg to stand on ever again. If she ever wanted to come back into that space. And the fact that she's trying to enter the space of content where she's going to create a podcast, you're not going to have any support.

just because of these three episodes that you did with bethany frankle you've ruined whatever kind of future you have in this industry by going on her platform yeah she killed i mean i don't i don't know where she goes from here nobody's going to listen to her podcast nobody i mean nobody wants to like i just i don't understand what she hoped to accomplish from doing this podcast interview well that's what upsets me when you listen to the beginning and again i really do think that and shoot her a reference to it multiple times. If you watch Raquel's behavior, always, she will go where people point her.

They'll go where, like, if you give her a little bit, she's going to continue to go in that direction. All you have to do is give her, it's like inception. Plant the seed in her head, and she'll take it from there. If you listen to the first episode, you listen to Bethany steer her. You listen to Bethany, have,

Bethany had an agenda. Rachel did not. Rachel went into this with whatever preconceived notion that maybe she was going to clear her name, maybe there was a chance to tell her side of the story. Like you said, Zach, if she goes in and Bethany's asking about therapy, if she's asking her what she's worked on, if she asked her what you've learned, we come out of episode one very differently. We come out seeing a Rachel that might be healed from some things, might be taking accountability for some things. Instead, we see Bethany point her as the

victim and say, how did you feel when they did that to you? When they did that to you and not referencing the fact, she never once brings up the fact that, like, or really dives into the fact that Rachel was the one that committed the affair. Like, you're the one that partook in having sex. That's not really discussed. The two things you could have talked about that would have helped vindicate her somewhat, you completely sidestepped. And instead, and that tells you exactly what Bethany's plan was, was to use Rachel, get as much volatile material out of this as she possibly could to get all of us talking about it, which had totally worked. And now Rachel's fucked. She's never coming back. Bethany has three great episodes of a podcast. They're

going to be the most listened to episodes ever. And no more after that. And I know she's got 50 mil in the bank. She didn't give a shit. But still, I don't understand what the approach was. It does not make sense to me. Not to mention, like, she's probably going to do a YouTube behind the scenes vlog. Like, she's done. Oh, yeah.

You know, like, all of that. Like, she's going to continue to milk this as much as she possibly can for as long as she possibly can. Like, it's just, it's insane to me, the whole thing. All of it. It's just, it drives my, it makes my head spin because it's like, the people that are still, like, riding for Bethany are crazy. but you know what the good thing is this happens while they're filming VPR

so we get to read with this in a couple of months yes oh my god and and I'm going to see people's reaction I'm going to Sheena's live show next weekend oh perfect oh brock tagged us in a video I don't know oh yeah can we talk about that she did you see the video yeah I love that move by the way to say part four is here and they drop her music video it's that was a good move that was hilarious

It's Is that feedback coming from me or from I don't know where it's coming from I don't know That made it worse You slap your face Who Okay

I loved the song I thought Sheena Shea's new song Apples was so fucking good Yeah it was really good I listened to it while I was driving down the shore Because Steal's wife sent it to us And I started playing it for my of the new bot.

It's called, yeah, it was great. It's called apples. It's nothing like good as gold. Like, good as gold is like a poppy, housewivesy type of song, right? This is like a legitimate hit song that you can hear on the radio and like actually like enjoy it. I was like, damn, Sheena came through. Yeah, but we got tagged. Brock tagged us.

Yeah, he tagged me too. We've never talked to Brock or Sheena before. So I was like, oh, cool. What's up, Brock? The funny thing was, I didn't know what it was. He tagged me. too and I was like what is this I was like he clearly wants me to repost it so then I reposted it and it wasn't until later like later on I think even like the next day that I was

like what did he tag me and then I went to go look at it and I was like oh it's Sheena's new song apples I was like this is actually a bop we didn't know whatever his tactic was it worked it worked really well because we reposted it too the song did you listen to the song I was like what song she's like you posted it I was like no I didn't she's like the Brock post I was like that was I don't know what that was I didn't either do so I was like oh cool and then I clicked on it's just an immediate repose same same because yeah yeah I mean I guess because he didn't specify like what it was but I guess it was like to intentionally leave it vague in the part four and the whole thing you know yeah no it was it was a good move but like I said

we'd never even talk to him so I was like oh cool what's up dude like no I get it apples how you like them apples everyone's leaving apples in the in the live chat is good is good um all right shall we wrap is there anything else you wanted to discuss from the rachel interview from vanderpump land that we didn't cover no no i think we're done with it for a while i mean until this season comes out or until bethany drops a secret part four bonus episode i'm not listening behind a paywall patria let's just all agree not to listen oh you did can i hold on before we leave this one zero one one three sarah can you tell me why yeah what did you gain from the interview that was actually good like what did you yeah for our listeners

that aren't watching this live sarah said i thought the interview was great can you actually i'm not even trying to be an asshole right now can you tell me in three bullet points why you thought the interview was great bullet points i will wait yeah no i don't want i don't want to read paragraphs i just want bullet points are quicker than paragraph you dama sarah sounds like me on friday gaslighting you oh i hate it you should you should listen to our episode because this asshole literally just took the contrarian stands to piss me off, and I ranted for like 45 minutes. I lost like five years of my life.

It's not perfect, but I've gotten a lot of people say, oh, fucking Lose backed you up. We have this like frequent comment or outdoor Lose who we like love, hate. And he commented, this was the most unhinged steel ever. Thanks for your service shoots.

Oh, wait, hold on. Did you see the TikTok one? This woman commented and said, Talk about closeted narcissistic behavior, trying to gaslight and push your friend into a reaction. Is that really the kind of friend you want? Wow. Wow. Wait, am I a closeted narcissist?

Is that what that's about to know? I defended you. I said, we've been friends for 16 years. Don't presume to no shooter for our friendship based on a podcast episode. Even when people support you, you get mad at them. Well, I'm not going to let him drag you, dude. I got your back. I appreciate it.

Thanks. Let's just says let's talk about Lala's house Because Rachel accused Lala Of stealing the house that Brock wanted Which was right next door to Sheena Oh what the fuck Which what are we doing Sheena came out and is like

That's not true either And she said she's gonna address it on her podcast This week shenanigans But I'm like Like she was just throwing out Such flipping comments With like no regard for And again

Yeah why I don't understand what the point was To try to drag everybody else It makes no sense to me Brittany said Let's talk about Brock hitting his first wife and not seeing his kids. Then we'll address Rachel. Brittany,

we spent an entire season addressing all of those allegations. Lala dragged him. And if Lala bought his house, I think they're doing well. Like, I think their relationship is okay. Yeah. All of us have discussed that whole entire thing.

We can't keep going. Yeah, we can't keep going back and back. Yeah, I don't think Sarah. Yeah, I don't think Sarah ever told us what. Sarah's like,

I'm out. She's like, you're going to make me talk about, you're going to make me list the real reason I liked it. Peace. accountability. Or she's really typing something up. Yeah, that could be a too.

No, she's thinking really hard. She's using all of those brain cells to really think about what she liked about that interview. I'm going to hit her with a TLDR. Too long. Didn't read. Sorry that happened to you or I'm really happy for you. Yeah. I just, I don't think anybody that actually liked the interview knows why they liked it.

They just want to be on the side of the non-popular opinion. I'll tell you exactly why they liked it. They want to try to lean against like the every woman deserves a right to speak. Bethany's an advocate for this and that. It's right or die Bethany fans. And it's people that refuse to look at the actual content that they're spewing. Yeah. And they say, oh, she has a right to speak out.

Yeah, none of us said she didn't. We said that the way she went about it was horseshit. But they want to spin it into this narrative that we're trying to silence a woman or that we're trying to keep people from speaking out on their own experiences, which is ridiculous. That's kind of what we all advocate for. we do interviews even with people we don't like we'll interview people we absolutely hate you don't go into it with a vendetta against him you go into it with okay we're going to break this down we're going to figure out who you are how you tick and why you did what you did let's hear your side of things we didn't get that at all we got bethany's narrative pushed onto rickle i actually went into

the interview wanting to listen to what rickle had to say and wanting to be like listen let me give her a little bit i dragged the bitch since she first came on our screen many many years ago because I never liked her. There was something about her that I never liked. And my, my intuition proved me right. But I feel like, I was like, you know what? She came out of treatment. She spent 90 days in there. I really want to hear what she has to say. And then within the first five minutes, I was like, what the fuck am I listening to? This is not like her taking accountability. This is not her owning up to her shit. This is literally just deflection and pointing the finger and victimizing herself. And that's, yeah, it's just, yeah, I just, I can. As somebody that spent 30 days in a

treatment center for alcohol as somebody that had to look inward for those 30 days go to therapy figure out my own shit and really dive into my own psyche and like learn a lot about myself i was so curious to hear what she had to say i was so intrigued by what she could come out of that learning and teach so many people about even if you listen to that interview and it went well and you still don't like her afterwards there's a lot that can be learned from somebody that went through something like that and i was so excited to hear it genuinely so i was like wow this perspective is going to be really, really interesting. Instead, we didn't get that. We got her weirdly defending a lot of things. We got her taking the side of the victim. And this was a chance for her to come out as an

actual mental health advocate. And that's what's sad. She really could have started a podcast from this. She really could have helped a lot of people from this. And instead, she was Bethany's puppet. I hope Bethany's happy with herself because she fucking ruined any chances. Yeah, I know she, and that's the thing, too, she is. Because now she's saying number one podcast in the world. Well, why though? Why, though? Why do you have the number one podcast? Anybody that got this interview would have. But do you think that Raquel didn't dig deeper into her therapy because she didn't learn anything from it and she really didn't resonate with it?

Or do you think she didn't dig deeper because Bethany didn't let her? I think it's the former. I think it's the former. I think it's the former. I don't think, yeah, because if she really was evolved, she would have pushed, she would have not leaned into the stuff that Bethany wanted to lean into and she would have focused more on the person that she is today. we didn't get any of that like the thing is and to your point she could have leaned into coming out and saying listen we can all really fuck up and and become better as a result of it but she didn't do that instead she doubled down and leaned in on this like i i was entitled to screw your man because i didn't see longevity and we weren't really friends so why should i give a fuck she minimized the affair within the first five minutes of the episode i was like what

I was like, wow, this is the route we're going. That's because I think I texted shooter in that moment and said, what the fuck am I listening to? That was after they said hi to each other. Yeah, it was very fun. Oh, I did. Yeah, actually. Hi.

The intro tells you everything you need to know about a Bethany Frankel podcast. Hi. Hi. What is that intro? What are we doing? Like, what the fuck? Like, put a little effort into it. Did you guys know that she created the Bethany clause?

Oh, she created it. Bethany created the Bethany class. Because of Bethany, there's a Bethany class. that every reality story now has to abide by i knew there was a bethany clause i didn't think that she created it yeah in her head she she won't shut up about the bethany clause oh she talks about is the bethany clause yeah she brought it well she that was the really interesting part of the interview and see what happens we start talking we keep going she made so many things about herself everything so many things about herself i'm like why are you talking she's i want to hear from rachel i get what you're going through

i planned a wedding on television yeah what what how is that the same what are you talking about what are we doing here why are we fuck it's literally insane um can't but if anybody's wondering what i'm wearing around my neck um no one's wondering they are i won my softball league i'm a champion this is my championship medallion so this is a gold medal in case you're wondering what i've been wearing this whole time plate it does your chain hang low does it wabble to the flow does it how does that sound i haven't listened to that that was it that was Yeah, you got it. You want us to go for you?

Kane, hang, low. There we go. Boom. Sarah, you're a coward. Oh, yeah, Sarah never answered. Sarah never answered. That's right, Sarah. She was like, what you're going to make me think?

I can't justify it. No, Sarah. I love that Zag went off on a commenter that made me feel better. At this point, I just don't have much. patience for it anymore. It's like if you're going to come in, like, then don't listen to my show. Colleen says it's worth a listen. I listen to most of her podcast. She has great guests as well. Bethany? I won't, I won't listen to them. I didn't know that Bethany had a podcast until this episode. She has three podcasts. I knew she had rewives. Shoot, she has three podcasts. She has rewives.

And they probably all suck. She has rewives, bees, rands, and just B. And all the names suck. And I think she, like, sits there and tapes for, like, one hour and then chops it up into three different podcasts and releases it on three different feeds. We should do that. It's so stupid. I'm like, what? You don't have three top podcasts. Like, what? We got brav bros, brav boys, and the bro bros.

Yep. Bravo Bros. We'll just lead into the bravo bros, since everybody calls us that anyway. Bro's hot takes, bro's mild takes, and different. And Stee's like, Steele's Braggs. Steels Braggs. Steels Humble Braggs. Oh, all right.

Well, they don't have three podcasts, but they do have one really good podcast. It may not be number one in the galaxy, but it is at the top of my list. It's called the Brab Bros. Podcast. You can catch Steel and Shooter. How often are you guys releasing right now? Twice a week. Wednesday and Friday, twice a week. Twice a week.

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