Bros & Shows - Big Daddy (x2) & The Shower Closet (In The City Full Recap S1E6)

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

What's up bros? I think we can finally say it...we're all collectively over the Amanda stuff. There's just no reason to keep doing this to us it's just getting worse and worse for it but alas we endure. It was, however, a very interesting episode for Kenny from his reunion with his estranged dad to his issues with Gavin; there seems to be a lot more to Kenny than originally met the high. On the flipside of that, what in the world is up with Gavin. He has quickly become a thorn in everyone's side and we're pretty perplexed. Oh yeah, Amanda & Kyle talk more or whatever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And Amanda. And then there's Amanda. Oh, God, I will not pick my foot up from her neck, honestly. I can't. I just can't do it. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a...

I don't know. need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by In the Goots. What's up, dude? I just never get used to that one. Last week was In Your Goots. So it's a little That we have to stay away from. Yeah. That one's a lot tougher to digest.

To everybody out there who said this was a six episode season, and I'm talking about all of the people that DM does, left comments, put things in the questions. I want you guys front and center right now. You have to all say sorry. Get up on camera and say, we're sorry. We're sorry. Because here's the other thing.

Then after I'm getting through this, obviously we're going through the episode. I'm like, this just does not feel like a season finale to me. there's not a lot going on here like it's fine it's entertaining it's good entertainment i guess for the most part but then not a season finale and then they get to the end and they say next week on in the city not on the next week's season finale so still wrong uh i'm assuming eight eight not you said nine before we started recording i love that um well nine then two reunion episodes 11.

So never forget. What are we doing here? You know exactly what I'm doing. You know exactly what I'm doing. Oh, my God. Well, yeah, I mean, this was, this episode was fine. There's a lot of, I would call this character development. We're just getting to know people more.

We're seeing the ins and outs of these, these friend groups and the dynamics in them. And like I said, it's just a lot of interesting people. Gavin what I can't put my finger on that guy he might be never hang out much he might be the worst on TV like yeah not well I think it's good for TV but like no I'm talking about like hangability like hanging out would you want to hang with this guy no still not even he doesn't even scratch the bottom in the barrel I don't work because like he does it from the the scope of like I've been a really good friend I just I'm a no bullshit guy I'm a no bullshit guy, I'm going to tell you how I feel about this.

Nobody asked. Like, nope, it's unwarranted weird comments from this guy who's weirdly too comfortable, too. He's too comfortable with everybody. You just met people. You're calling it boring. I'm totally with you. And I think that is probably just personal preference because I know that that type of person probably pisses you off the most.

And irritates me. But to be fair and to be incredibly clear, there are at least three or four people that just popped in my head that are way worse that I don't even want to be near. Gavin, I can tolerate for about 30, 45 minutes. I would just never let him be my friends because I don't want this kind of behavior in my life. But I could at least hang with him for a little while. There's people that I wouldn't even want to go near or be in the same building as when it comes to these shows. So I think it's just really funny too because at least up until this point and even when we get to the scene with Kenny and his dad,

there's more going on there, especially on social media and all the other things. I don't even know if you saw it, but I'll bring it up while we're going. through there. Kenny has been this like the the bull's eye of scrutiny from this show like, oh, this guy's a douchebag. He's an asshole. I don't want to. Gavin's kind of flying under the radar.

Even still, like I thought this episode was the, the coming out party, if you will, of him being an asshole. And no one said a word. Like I didn't see one thing about Gavin. And you and I are sitting here. It's the first thing that we're talking about. I will say it for everybody because here's the thing. Kenny,

what you see is what you get. I don't love him. I think he's a douchebag and I think he's an asshole. But at the same time, he doesn't try to be something else. Like that's his personality. I can appreciate somebody that's just themselves. Gavin, like I said,

does it from the guys of like, I'm just a really good friend. I'm going to tell you how it is. Like, no, no, you're just inserting yourself in situations that don't involve you and saying weird shit for some strange reason

because you have this bromance crush on Kenny and you're so pissed off that it's coming to an end that you're taking it out on his relationship as a 40-year-old man. That's wild work. So if you're not clocked on Gavin yet, take the blinders off, take the Kenny blinders off and look at Gavin

because, like, again, at least Kenny, that's who he is. He isn't pretending to be something else. Like, yes, he's an asshole, but we know he's an asshole. Gavin is something totally different. There is something totally different about Gavin that's standing out like a sore thumb for me. But with Kenny,

I feel like there's, there's a lot of good things that you could look at and be like, well, that's actually kind of cool because we know his background. He's really gone into his family background. That seems to be his storyline.

I don't really care. And we can just talk about it now with the half brother stuff online. I don't know if it's true. I don't care if it's necessarily true because that scene kind of just quelled all of my issues with what I read before the episode even came out. When I'm reading back through it,

I'm like, it sounds like a family problem. Like you guys are kind of mixed up. our listeners so they know what you're talking about. Yeah. So essentially what, and I don't even know if it's substantiated that this is truly his half brother, but what we're supposed to see is his half brother had commented on something where someone was talking about it as a content creator talking about Kenny, talking about him finding his dad and using that as a storyline. And then his brother commented on it and said, look, he had me in the mix for a little while. He kind

of strung me along. And then once this show started filming, then he really geared up towards it, found dad met up with them and kind of cut ties with me like didn't bring me back into the fold he just kind of used it for himself that seems very interpersonal in terms of a family and like i'm it sounds a little murky but i can't really judge it because i don't know the whole picture and i don't know if this guy's telling the truth or if this guy's even who he says he is but when i watched it on the show and when i watched this episode i'm like everything seems genuine like i don't care if he timed it up to give himself a storyline because when they actually meet and when they talk, it's all very emotional and very true and very genuine. So it does kind of quell all of the issues that I could have potentially had with this.

But everything else, I'm like, yeah, with Kenny, there's a lot of interesting things. There's a couple of good things. I'm going to wait for the other shoe to drop with his relationship. I don't really know what I'm going to think about him and Whitney together or how he's going to treat Whitney. I think there's a lot of chaos going on. If he continues to treat her like, all right, you stay away from everybody else. I want to keep you to myself so that you don't get into trouble. but then I don't get into trouble and he does that sort of thing,

then yeah, I'm going to have problems. But I think it's a little too early on to really jump into that. We try not to jump to conclusions right away, especially in like the first season of a show. Yeah, no. And like, I could acknowledge he's an asshole.

Like, I'll give you that. It's his personality is he's douchebag. And like, yeah, okay. But like everything else, he's,

I mean, he's gone into his family background and now he's like self-made, if you want to call it that. I guess I kind of hate that term. But he's done. well enough for himself, given his family background that he's brought us into. So, like, I kind of respect that. If he's a douchebag, he's a douchebag.

If he's going to treat women like shit, that he's going to treat women like shit and we're going to have a problem. But as long as he doesn't do that, I don't really care. I just have to tolerate them. Right. And like with the dad stuff, like you said, you know, sure, it's a little slimy if he waited for TV to go down this path. But I'm with you as far as like the authenticity in the scene.

I'm like, well, maybe that was the caveat. he needed to push him to do this. We talk about sometimes reality TV is beneficial for therapeutic reasons. Like it forces couples to talk about things. It forces couples to go to couples therapy. Maybe this was the push he needed to contact his dad. I don't know. I do know, especially when it comes to like family dynamics and shit like this,

we try not to dig too far into like the shadiness of it because at the end of the day, a dad reunited with his son, they both seem to be happy. about it. Do we all really want to pick that apart and like make them feel like shit? Like I don't really want to do that. That doesn't sound fun to me personally. No, but there are, and this is the thing. If that's something that you're interested in, there are content creators out there that will do that. You can go watch that. We're not going to do that. That just that seems even slimyer than anything that he might be doing. So yeah, we're not going to get involved. Yeah, no, and I agree. Like I think it all like the,

the barometer is going to come down to how he treats Whitney, right? Like, If he's a piece of shit to her, you know that we will be the first ones to drag him through the mud. But if he's cool with her and he's just kind of a douchebag with other people, we need that on this. We need that on every show. You have to have this guy on a show. So like, I don't like Kenny personally, but I'm not going to, like, crucify him yet. I don't think he's done enough for that. And like you said, when we get this kind of stuff where it's a lot of speculation, there's a half brother that comes out of the woodworks.

you're like where the fuck did this guy come from who is this guy if that's substantiated then we can discuss it a bit further but at the same time like we don't know i don't know i have no idea what the what the setting was i have no idea what he was telling his half brother i don't know if that's his half brother so let's wait and see what comes out before we decide to pick apart this guy deciding to reunite with his dad because yeah at the heart of it like this is a good thing so let's let's let's focus on the good part and i also know as we're going through this, that there are probably a lot of people to watch that and roll their eyes.

Sure. There's just, that's fine. If there's somebody on TV that you don't like and they do something that, you know, some people are going to find heartwarming and you don't, whatever, I don't care.

But I think it's really funny because the more that I dislike Gavin, the more I actually like Kenny, it's almost like it kind of normalizes Kenny a little bit where I'm like, wait, no, actually everything that everybody was saying about Kenny, you might be able to just copy and paste and multiply by like two. and give it to Gavin.

And it actually makes Kenny look better. So I'm having a really hard time with that because every time that I take a couple points away from Gavin, I'm kind of just giving them back to Kenny. Well, Gavin seems like, I don't know, he seems exhausting to be around. Yeah, and those kind of people, that's like my biggest ick is like people that.

Yeah, and like, you know, jumping into conversations on warranted. And then when you're called out for being weird and being overbearing, then you get like pissy and, defensive and like passive aggressive. It's like, okay. Yeah. Gavin, like shut up.

But let's jump into this episode. Yeah, I know. It's fucking bizarre. He's a strange cat. And it had to be a fucking golf scene too. So I'm just trying to analyze their swings. I just want to see them. All of this pops off.

Yeah. This pops off and I'm like, God damn it guys. Can't you just do this somewhere else? Yeah. We live for athletic scenes on. Or unathletic. Or they are usually.

Most of the time. Yes, 90% of the time on athletic. But we live for those moments. There's so few and far. between. Just let us have that. Damn it. Shut up, Gavin. Gavin ruined that for us. So that's another reason I don't like him. Yeah. But let's jump in. We start out with Amanda, who is officially moving. And it's just funny to me now at this point. Like a lot of the emotion from that whole thing is kind of simmered down. I think for a lot of us, now you're just kind of watching the aftermath.

And now it takes on a different feeling because I'm just over analyzing. And she's walking into this apartment and she's trying to sell us on like you know it's a hard reset to get back where we were and you know it's bittersweet but i'm really happy about it right now like you don't seem torn up you don't seem to really care you seem to be and like the more i got from this episode the more it took on like when we see the scene with the two of them i'm like oh your your whole plan on in the city was to put the nail in his coffin to just paint him as such a piece of shit highlight all of the reasons that you're getting separated and hammer that home to the audience so that you would just secure this glow up at the end of the season.

Once you guys got divorced and Kyle was getting dragged, boom, you rise like a phoenix from the ashes. Because everything you're saying when you're solo does not compute to how you're talking to Kyle. It does not make it so like night and day as far as emotions go that I don't really believe it. I'm not saying that you're not. feeling some type of way. I'm not saying that Kyle and his continued behavior isn't

irritating and annoying, but given the circumstances, the way that she's talking, it's like, well, it's not really the same as when you guys were together and like in the house together. Like, there's a lot happening right now. So I think there's going to be some different feelings and different behaviors that you might not necessarily be able to comment on the way you used to. And I will talk about it more later, but I was just just nitpicking. Yeah, I appreciate the nitpick And I'm going to be totally honest right now I'm going to let you in on a little secret

I so do not care I know about Amanda West anymore It's over like it is dead and buried After that aftermath episode I'm done with it I could not be more done with this topic And it's so funny because now people are starting to come out And they're like wow Amanda's really trying to paint Kyle As a bad guy like I didn't see this company

How did you not see this coming? We picked up on it obviously We've been telling you for months. I've been telling you for months. And I'm not even talking about our listeners. I'm just talking about like going on threads at Twitter. And you see that and it's like, wow, do you think things would have been differently? Do you think we would have caught on to what Amanda was doing if her and West didn't hook up?

It's like we've been asking that question for like six months now. And we came to the answer and yes, we would have eventually come around to it because it is very apparent. And I think between this scene and the last scene, it's incredibly obvious what she's trying to do and how she's trying to do this. and she tries to do that where she does this fucking balancing act of I'm so happy to be free I can spread my wings I don't have a couch yet but boy oh boy I forget if it was a risa rider I think she had a Reese at the time and she's like Reese don't you love this and the dogs walking around with boxes everywhere like it was kind of sad to watch that you're splitting up the dogs is fucking dog's not very upsetting to me like just take a note from Tom and Katie make sure that you keep the dogs together and just share custody back and forth don't separate the dogs the dogs the dogs didn't do anything to each other you guys now don't get to separate the dogs but I think they're They still do, which is very unfortunate, especially for the one that went with Amanda. But at the end of the day, it's like, stop doing this balancing act of like, I'm so, I'm so excited to be, it's not single, not. I'm not excited.

I'm not single, guys. I'm truly not. We're getting to go out. Probably. We're totally getting. This is going to be great for our marriage relationship. I don't know. I need a couch.

Like, that's all I got from this. That's really all I got from this beginning scene. The last scene is just more of the same except now Kyle's there. And it's like, now I can spin it. on him and make him look really bad. And that's kind of what she's drawing up right now. And then she sets it up for later. And it's like, that is so goddamn obvious too.

It's just crazy to me. Yeah. And we'll dig into it much further when we get to that scene. And we're going to see more of it when she's with her dad. Like that's like it's all kind of you're seeing her set up the pins to knock them down once she's with Kyle. It's pretty. Yeah.

Blaringly obvious. Yeah. Big daddy in her phone. Whatever. But Eva. Well, Yvonne and Nick are, they're getting ready to get hitched. As we know, they had that wedding in Mexico, but they didn't officially tie the knot. I still don't really get why.

Like, if you get married in Mexico, do you have to go do the civil court thing? I think so, yeah. Unless you have a little date minister from the U.S.? I think what most couples I know who have gotten married abroad, they usually get their marriage certificate and like go to the courthouse to do that. They don't get dressed up for it. you just get your certificate and then you go abroad and have the ceremony. Okay. All right.

I wasn't sure. But that's just setting us up for later when we're going to see that whole thing happened. But the big news this episode was obviously Kenny. And Kenny calls his dad. And again, we get a heartwarming scene here. And this is where it's like, all right, you know, did he drum it up for the cameras? Maybe like that that's very plausible.

I'm not putting it fast. Whatever. But at the same time, like, I don't know. I want to see this. I like stuff like this. This warms my heart. you see this emotional scene you know dad was talking about how he was searching for me apologizes to him for not being able to connect sooner kenny's crying and he's realizing in this

moment and this also could have been a product of that too like that's how i see it where let's say he did do this for the camera right but he gets to this moment he's talking to his dad and maybe he thought in the back of his head oh this is a great storyline like this can be great for tv then as he's talking to his dad he's like oh fuck wait i needed this guy like i didn't know how much i didn't know how much you did this guy like this is all hitting me at once and that might have added to the emotions that he felt but you're watching a guy like be vulnerable you're watching a moment and again i don't like kenny i think he's a dick but in this moment you're kind of seeing him come to terms with like i thought i was good he talks about how he thought he was fine but you think you're fine until you

address it and then he realized how much he needed this connection with his father especially after his mother passing so if you want to hold on to the he planned this whole thing like like that's dirty. That's your prerogative, Gary. But I personally watched a scene where the emotions hit. He did not expect this to happen the way it did. And it was kind of a cool thing to see, honestly. Yeah, I thought it was extremely cool.

I'm not going to lie. I also, I think when I was going into it, I was looking for two things. One, authenticity, see how real it was, because obviously I'm skeptical because of all of the things we already talked about and just who Kenny is. And it's reality TV. So you never really know if something's just for a. story or whatever, but it seemed incredibly authentic to me. My bullshit meter didn't really go off.

The other thing that I was looking at was how he talked about Whitney. He was saying all very nice things about Whitney. If he didn't, and I'm still waiting for this. I don't really know where I'm going to land. But I'm still kind of keying in on how he treats Whitney, how he talks about Whitney, how he talks about Whitney to important people in his life. He's talking to his dad for the first time, what, 19 years, 18 years, whatever is. 25 years.

25 years. So, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. He was 18 or 17 years old. I saw him. But he's talking about Whitney and he's like, oh, she's great. Like you have to meet her. I can't wait to get you up to New York. Like you can meet everybody in my life and all these things and we can really talk about

everything. It seemed very authentic. He brought Whitney into it. He gave her credit for finding Debbie online on Facebook. Didn't have to do any of those things. Could have just kept it between them. Wouldn't have blamed them honestly if it's the first time he's talking to his dad. But he made sure to talk about his girlfriend.

Like, I want those things. I want to see if he actually loves his girlfriend or if he doesn't have that spark. Like that's what I'm still waiting on. So if he's talking about his girlfriend who is this strange father who's now crying on the phone and he's crying on the phone, I think that's nice. So we might be moving in the right direction here. Maybe it was just a little chaotic at first. There's a lot of unfortunate circumstances that came about from the group. There's some uncertainty on his ends because she moved across the country.

Maybe at the end of the day, and this is what I kind of hope for their sake, for her sake, is that they just can move on. It was just a weird time and we can move on and then work on that. Yeah, especially for her sake more than anything, right? Like I hope that we can get to a better place where Kenny's not saying stupid shit, not being weird about this move, and actually being like, oh, Whitney's a human being too with feelings. And maybe I should be attentive to those feelings instead of making stupid jokes and being dismissive.

I don't know. That'd be a good start, Kenny. But again, to my doubtful audience out there, the ones that the naysayers, let's say once again that this was fabricated. But what if it leads to them actually having a relationship? Are you still going to be like, oh, that's gross. Like he did this for the wrong reason? No, you're not.

You're going to forget about it in a season. Yes. So let's, let's keep the main thing, the main thing. Here's the telltale sign. If it's the end of season two and all Kenny is really talking about is dealing with the new relationship with his father and he used. uses that as his storyline all next year and does nothing else,

then you might be able to tell me, all right, he just wants to lean on that the whole time. Then that's okay. I'm not going to go back and revisit this and be like, that was total bullshit because I don't think it was bullshit. I think both of us, at least one of us would have picked up on something and been like,

eh, I would hope neither of us have done that. So we're moving on from that. But yeah, if he's still talking about it next year and it seems a little fishy, then sure, you might be able to. We can revisit.

As of now, yeah, exactly. But we get to Danielle and her mom. And they're talking about, about Owen and apparently mom loves Owen the first time they met. Mom was in tears because Owen was so great. It's the perfect fit for her daughter, Danielle, and it's a mutual thing.

Owen's also in love with the mom and all of that stuff. But the one thing I will say, and this was interesting because I didn't expect her to say this, she's now wondering, do I care what people are saying? Or, because that's the route she's gone up to this point. Everyone's in my ear about this being like, oh, kind of shady and, you know, was there overlap and blah, blah, blah, which, I think there might have been a little overlap, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah, whatever.

Yeah. You know, you think there was overlap? I think there was overlap. I think there was overlap. But like, oh, it's not going to say. I'm like, yeah, I'm almost positive. There was overlap. Yeah, I'm very confident there was overlap.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Danielle, Danielle could never do anything to convince me otherwise. I'm kind of just waiting. on what Owen says and he hasn't done anything to dissuade me. So yeah, there's probably some overlap there. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway.

Yeah. It's really fine. I will say that, you know, her acknowledging like the fact that it might not be people in her ear, maybe she does have an issue with how things are going. Maybe she does have an issue with the fact that he's in the middle of a divorce and it's not going as fast as she would like. And she's starting to question all of the, the ongoings, if you will, of this divorce. That's kind of interesting.

That I wasn't expecting. And that could lead to some very uncomfortable conversations that I would like to see on TV. Yeah, that was one of those situations where I expected Daniel to know a little bit more. But the fact that she's like, well, you know, when he informs me about what's going on when he needs to. He gives me some of the information. It's like, oh, yeah, I don't think you're very happy with all of this, especially now that Amanda is perpetuating that you were a mistress. That's probably not going to help the cause.

We're going to have to have a conversation at one point, aren't we? I'm probably going to expect it either in the next episode when we're at that dinner after Owen or Owen, after Avon and Nick's wedding or maybe at the season finale. But at some point, we're going to have that conversation now. We do know that they then obviously have gotten, or Danielle's got pregnant. She gave birth. So clearly things got better and they kind of worked their way through it. But I expect to see that conversation.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that conversation actually. But Lindsay, Yvonne and Nick are headed to the courthouse. Lindsay is their witness and they get married, but that's not the main thing here. The main thing is apparently Lindsay went on a double date with Frank and Andrea and Lexi. Now, I know. And that, that's my question. I don't like that they call him that. I can't.

I don't either. I don't want us to say it, but like they keep saying it. So we have to say it once at least. I just please stop. Yeah. It just reminds me of O'Shea and I don't like thinking about him at all. But no my question for you, did we want to see that double date? I think I'm good not seeing Frank on TV.

I'm totally fine, not seeing Frank. I don't think anything happened in that double date. We watched Nick and Yvonne on a double date with Owen and Danielle and not a lot got accomplished there. So I don't think anything got accomplished there. on the other ads. I'm good. I don't need any more of the milkman. I don't need the milkman either.

And Lindsay's skeptical of him anyway. She's not really sure. He's moving kind of funny. So I'm sure we'll get more. We get a little bit more about Frank later. But I don't know. I'm kind of over Frank. I was over Frank when he came on.

I said he, I think he smells weird. I just have a feeling that he has a stench. I just really like the, the chaired snooper. I thought it said chaired shopper, but it said shared snooper. Yeah, snooping around.

Just kind of listening to the conversation. Yeah, maybe he's a fan on there. Could be a fan. Maybe he knows Lindsey. That's Du Bois. That guy is Dumas. Yeah. Yeah.

That checks out. Let's get to Amanda and Big Daddy. Now they're talking in there. And, you know, dad's talking and he's asking like, you, uh, you told us this is more like a mutual decision. And now we get to watch the run around here, which I was very much looking forward to her. She's like, well, no, I mean, you know,

like he wants to do what I think is going to work, but like, you know, I was the driving for, he didn't want to do this at all. No part of him wanted to get separated. Like, not even like an iota. He was literally in tears at the end of Summerhouse, not wanting to do this because he thinks, rightfully so, this is the end,

especially when you go get a one year lease on an apartment and then still try to take the defensive here. All this scene really did for me was It told me, and look, I don't give a shit what Amanda tells her parents, but clearly what she told her parents does not line up with what she told Kyle and does not line up with what she actually ended up doing. That's all I was looking for was the inconsistencies. And I know when you're sitting there with your dad, you're not going to fill them in on every little thing. But even here she starts dragging Kyle, even here she starts painting him like it's all his problem. And she doesn't take any accountability.

She doesn't take any responsibility for herself. She even goes as far as to show him the patio and he's like, well, at least you're not a. smoker and then thankfully Bravo's like oh is she not a smoker okay the bigger problem is when we're walking around her apartment she's got that one fucking chair she's got like all of her shit in the shower like what what is going on i have no idea and when we see kyle when like bouncing back over to his apartment and he's cleaning things up and he's got people in there to help him like organize the closets and everything he's looking at all of amanda stuff and then amanda's telling her dad like yeah i think kyle's a little upset with me right now because he wanted me to take more

things. It's like, shut up. Like enough. Please, enough. Like, either be truthful to your dad and say, look, I was looking for apartments. I ended up finding the one of your lease. So I think Kyle's a little upset with me right now. But she's not going to say that because she knows that that's bad. And that's the problem. It sounds bad. If she says the truth, she knows that it sounds bad.

And she can't even say it to her own dad when he comes over to see the apartment. She has to hide and cower and act like everything is Kyle's fault. And that's a problem. Yeah. And she tries to do the, the marathon. thing being the biggest issue. She's like, you know, the big issues to drinking and like he brought two strangers home on Sunday night. Like I'm sleeping. I'm moving the next day. It's like, all right, I'm going to talk a lot more about that when we're with Kyle. But the fact that she says, she blames slash credits Kyle for the fact that she's going to go out more. I'm going to

keep my apartment clean and tidy. Okay. Yeah, sure. Me going out more was a priority for Kyle. So I guess I, I guess I have to go out more. I was like, who?

Why do you? No, don't spit in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Like that you want to go out now. And like that's where the hypocrisy starts to come in. Because where did this come from? Who is this person? I'm not saying that,

you know, let's take the West part out of it. Like after a rough marriage and now you're back single and you want to go live your life. go out totally. I can totally get that. That's fine. To credit Kyle with it. It's like, wait, you're going out because of

Kyle. That doesn't make any sense. She should start with, I need to rebuild my life and find friends. Like, seriously. That's what she should be saying. I need to find friends. I need to go out with Katie more. Maybe focus on my friendship with Sierra. I don't know. There's a crazy fucking idea. They're still

friends at this point. Go out with her. Go out with Mia. I need to go have fun. I need to enjoy myself. And even when her dad interjects and he's like yeah i mean i think that you can work on maybe getting out a little bit more kyle can work on maybe you know calling it a night a little earlier you guys can both come to that mutual decision and she immediately cuss them off and she's like well i'm not going to be with him it's like what is going on like the inconsistency is drive for fucking wild and if i'm her dad and i'm sure that he's heard a lot of bullshit out of her mouth over the years he's like i don't know what

you want for me like i'm going to support you no matter what do you're going to do you're an adult, but at the end of the day, don't spit in my mouth and tell me it's rating. Exactly. But Kyle in this scene is having the same kind of conversation with his mom at his apartment. And again, he's going around. There's piles of shit everywhere. He's trying to get the clutter out of there. And that's his big, like, that's what he's probably happiest about is like I can

kind of get my life back together, at least like my homestead. I can make it look presentable. I've been living in clutter for 10 years. So it's kind of nice that I'm not going to. But the one part that Amanda's not registering is he has to walk around his apartment, the place he lived with you, and see all of your stuff all the time, knowing that you're in a one year lease somewhere else in the city. That kind of sucks. That can't be fun for him who doesn't really want this. And he was also questioning like your motives because you laid around it didn't do shit.

And then out of nowhere, it's like, then there was like the lack of packing. And then in the morning, she was packing, smiling, like having a great time. But it's just like the up and down. And we know that like that whole weekend, she was smoking weed on the couch and like not doing a whole lot. And then she wants to get mad at Kyle about not being there the last night, which again, I have a lot to say about that when we get to the scene with the two of them. But for me, I'm focused on what you're talking about. The inconsistencies from what Amanda's saying to then watching,

Kyle and seeing the scenes play out. Like, for better or worse, like, what Kyle's saying seems more authentic to me because I don't think he's in a place where he can put on our front right now. He seems distraught and just try to figure what the fuck out to do. So when I look at the two juxtaposed, I'm like, I don't buy what you're saying, Amanda.

There's too much up and doubt. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Kyle seems like a more, I don't know, grounded approach to like what's actually. actually happening right now, like the actual like effects of this on him. Yeah. And there's so much uncertainty because it's Amanda. Like Amanda's dictating all of the terms of everything that's going on.

You can go back to the scene of the two of them sitting down for lunch or happy hour or whatever the hell it is. And they're hashing out how it's going to work and what it's going to look like moving forward. It's essentially everything Amanda says goes, everything Kyle says gets thrown out the window, which, look, has Kyle done a lot over their marriage or relationship to garner any sort of support in his ideas? maybe not. But I do think that there are some ground rules that maybe Kyle could bring up that

are mutual and it works out. And if you're Kyle walking around, I mean, it's a two-parter, like one, the uncertainty is killing you. And when he goes into the specifics of her not packing and then all of a sudden she's packing that morning and she's got movers, clearly she probably planned on having all of her stuff out of there, but she's lazy and didn't get anything done until the last minute and only moved some of her shit. Hence why she didn't order furniture before she moved or anything like that. So it's just ridiculous to me when it comes to that. And also, it's Amanda.

So when he's walking around looking at all the stuff and he brings it up later, he's bringing it up because he's like, hey, I know you meant to take this stuff. Are you ever going to come back and get it? Or are you just going to sit here and be like, I can just leave it there because I don't want you to leave it here. I want to have my own space. Like it doesn't make any sense.

You get to have all of your own space because you decided that you're going to move out. and go do these things. But what? I don't get my own space. I just have like another closet of your shit that you can come and get whenever you want. Like that doesn't seem fair to me. No, it doesn't make any sense.

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And this kind of shit, Kenny's like, or sorry, Gavin, it's like, these are Kenny's pants, Kenny's belt. Look, we're like high school girls. We share everything. Yeah. stole the shirt from Frank but you're a great line well done bravo that was good uh but that's weird this is weird like not not that like you know he wants to be whatever i know like he's trying to show everyone like this is how close we are like this is how buddy buddy we are like we've

known each other for so long we we work our like we share clothes we do this we do that we're so close all the time weird that's weird when you're in your 40s. That's a strange thing to be doing. And Kenny's like, I don't wear anything of Gavin's. It's, it just seems like a one way romantic crush. Yeah.

No, one way for that to crush. Romance. Like, I think, I think Gavin has a crush on Kenny. And he is just doing things to try to ruin his relationship so that they can come back and he just sees that as a friendship and that's good enough for Gavin. But the whole breakdown of the scene is weird. And again, we were just trying to focus on the golf swings. Like, not a lot of good golf.

swings there. Kenny looked pretty good. Nick looked great. I was expecting Nick. Yeah, Nick had a great. Strikes strikes me as a guy who can hit the ball. Everybody else didn't look that great. Andrea has never swung a golf club in his life, but that's okay. He doesn't have to. He's too pretty. He's way too pretty. Uh, if he was a golfer, that would be a problem for the rest of us. Yeah, he could golf too. Like, no, we, yeah, that'd be ridiculous. I would quit. I'd have to quit. But, but, but yeah, I didn't expect this scene to pop off. I thought it was just going to be kind of, yeah, maybe I should have expected to pop off actually, because whatever the guys get together, there's a lot of weird shit talking and somebody gets because of Gavin,

because of Gavin, which now we've realized I actually want to go back to the first episode when they have that shit talk about Kenny and the Spark and Whitney and everything. Or maybe it's the second episode after Kyle talks to Kenny. Is it Gavin? I wouldn't be surprised if Gavin's the one who started that. I wouldn't be surprised if Gavin's the one. Now, we know Kyle told Andrea and Nick and it got a little misconstrued along the way, but Gavin's probably involved in that too.

Like I wouldn't be surprised if he's involved in everything when it comes to the shit talk between Kenny and Whitney. So it's just a problem. problem. And this was part dudes fighting and then they'll get over it. But it was part a lot of underlying issues. There's a lot of underlying issues there. And I think Kenny's becoming pretty smart to everything. He's not he didn't really react the way that I thought he would. Now, obviously he's just like more broie and just telling him to shut the fuck up and like keep his keep his mouth shut and like, you know, keep your words to yourself and all those sorts of things.

But Gavin clearly has an issue. It's not just like, oh, I want to stir some shit up. It's like, no, dude you love chaos that's why you have a problem when you see me and whitney because we just have a normal relationship you call that boring i like that call out and we're doing things that's what you're doing you like to have the chaotic friendship you like to have the chaotic relationship you're never going to find that you're never going to be happy with that but you see everybody else who is happy and you're like oh that's boring a shit that's not for me that is your own problem yeah exactly and that's why kenny says like you can't string a relationship on for longer than three months And I thought that was a good call by Kenny.

I thought Kenny actually did a good job this scene overall. He did. You know, we talk about Owen a little bit. We're going to get into that shortly because Kenny decided to invite him because he doesn't have a lot of friends yet. He wants to ingratiate him into the group. Kyle is thanking everybody for the support during all of this shit. He's, you know, thank you guys for all of the help.

I really appreciate it. And, you know, he brings up that he left the apartment and, you know, he left pissed. because he left and Amanda was pissed because he went out, he wasn't able to help. So she left in tears. So he feels guilty about that, which is exactly what she wanted. They haven't spoke since. But Kenny here, like, I like this line of questioning.

And because he's kind of a douchebag, you get stuff like this because not, this isn't even a duchy question. It's just guys like this aren't afraid to kind of ruffle your feathers. He's like, well, got to ask, like, what is keeping you fighting? And like, what are we doing here? What are you

fighting for at this juncture? and Kyle's response should be kind of a red flag for Kyle if he really listened to it because he's like that's scary to start over. It's like if that's why you're trying to stay, then I think that you want to leave this relationship too. And I think that part of it is that you're embarrassed

to chalk this up as a failure, which is a, that's a Kyle problem because that's what that little quip told me. I was like, oh, interesting. You just don't want it to fail. This has nothing to do with the marriage. He's got a,

it's like a backhanded one foot out the door, which I want to call like a one back foot out the door because I don't even think it's a back foot out the door. Like he's slowly backing out the door is kind of what I'm getting at. He's he's viewing it the right way. Again, like we've been calling it out for a while. Everybody online has been calling it out for a while. Everybody who's watched Summerhouse has called this out for a while.

They shouldn't have gotten married. They're no longer going to be married. They are moving on in the right direction. As far as all of us are concerned, they are moving on in the right direction. even without the West ship. So he's coming to grips with that, but when you say,

I'm scared to start over, that means you're already thinking of starting over. That means you're already there. You just don't want to take the leap of faith at this point. That's what you're scared about, which tells us everything that we need to know. Yeah, had you responded with,

I love her, she's my wife. I want this to work. I want to figure things out. Like, I can't imagine life without Amanda. Those sorts of things tell me that you want to try to make this work.

Saying that you're afraid to start over means you know it's over, but you're afraid to do it. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot of emotion in that sentence. But Owen asks, and I like this, because Owen's got some background, obviously, he's getting divorced.

He's like, well, do you feel sad over this? Like, do you feel sad or is it just suck? Because there is a difference. And, you know, he's like both. But before he came to get that out, and this is why Gavin drives me up a fucking wall. He asks about Owen shit. He's like, well, did you meet Danielle when you were with your wife? Yeah.

And look, we could have gotten there. We certainly could have gotten there. It needs to come out at some point. Yeah. Well, I even think like in this conversation, we could have gotten there. But you don't start off with it. Who sits down and starts a conversation like that? It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, it makes no sense. And he's like, I don't want to ask him any questions. He's like, but I'm not going to answer them anyway. I liked how Owen did this whole thing because when he gets further into it, he's now trying to like talk about why you're getting divorced. Like, what did you actually file? Why do you fucking care? Like, this is such a weird line of questioning.

What is it? Irreconcilable differences? I love the, yeah, sure. Like, Owen doesn't want to talk about it. Owen doesn't know who you are, nor does he care to share this information with you. That was one of the most relatable moments that I've had where it's just like somebody's just, I don't know you. You're asking me personal questions. I'm not answering this.

Why does Gavin know this much about divorces? Like, I didn't even know about any of that. I don't know. Like it's such a weird line of questioning. And that's when Kenny calls him out. You thrive on this toxicity, dude. Oh, that's right. Gavin makes a weird joke here.

This made no sense that you're going to pivot. First of all, Kenny and Whitney aren't even engaged. So this doesn't even make any sense. He's like, do you know so much about divorce because that's where you're headed? You were the one that said irreconcilable differences, Gavin. And Kenny's just commenting like everybody else. And then you're going to spin it and say like, is exactly. because you're headed to divorce too.

They're not engaged. Kenny or Gavin, like that's not a good one liner. And that's when he calls him out for the toxicity thing. You thrive on toxicity. We don't have that. And Kyle even tries to dumb it down. Hey, man,

he just wants you to be excited for him. He just wants to be excited. And Kenny's like, I know he's excited, but part of him hates it. He hates this whole thing. You called her boring, dude. And then the passive aggressive response,

Kenny's a better man than me. He's like, oh, you know what? You guys are perfect. My bad. I was like, Oh, no, Gavin. No.

All this tells me is like he's just trying to get that rise out of Kenny. And that's why I say that it seems like Kenny is like smartened up a little bit to Gavin's tactic, which they've been friends, they said for like 15 years. So that makes sense that you would know them. But in the heat of the moment when you're doing that with somebody who knows you that well, it is very tough to be like, I know exactly what you're trying to do. And I'm not falling for the bait. You fall for the bait 99 out of 100 times.

It's just going to happen. 100% of the time. Yeah, exactly. Like there's not even the one. The one slipper of hope. Unfortunately, no. But I would say the national average is probably 99 out of 100. So that one time, but Kenny is smartened up to it.

And I'm happy that he has because I know that's what Gavin's trying to do. He's just trying to get that rise out of him to make him look bad. And then he can turn it back on him and say, you're not really mad at me. You're mad about the situation. You're mad about your relationship. You're mad about how people are talking about your relationships. So leave me out of it. Then he can just kind of recuse himself and walk away while Kenny's still mad.

That's what he's trying to do. And Kenny knows that's what he's trying to do. So he doesn't bite, which I'm very happy that he didn't because that could have been a much different scene. And obviously we do get some fuck yous and shut ups from this conversation. But that's just, you know, the course of business. Yeah, exactly. It was just, yeah, such a strange approach from somebody that claims to be your closest friend. Like, what are you doing?

Kevin? Like, it's just weird. He's fucking weird. He's a weird dude. But we get a quick, like, ovulation conversation because we got a lot of people in this group talking babies. We're trying to get pregnant. You got Andre and Lexi trying to get pregnant. We get to talk about Andrea.

Who's too sore for said? Andrea Denver, walking sex himself is getting tired of banging. Never thought I'd see that. I don't know if he's getting tired of bagging. I think he's just too sore. He's just pointing that out. Physically tired,

not emotionally tired of banging, just physically tired of banging. Okay. I know this was just kind of fun and goofy and whatever. I have a problem with these scenes. You're telling me there's a camera crew in there, just like ready to go and film you guys like, oh,

oh, it's time. We got to go. Where's the camera crew go? Oh, God, they just run out of the apartment? Yeah,

they have to. And by the way, the living room. That's even worse. By the way, the first scene was the two of them with Andrea and Lexi laying in bed and Andrea saying that he's too sore. And he's laying around like in his,

which he's usually in his underwear. Anyway, he's basically a underwear model. That's not that crazy. But they were. laying in bed talking about it. So it goes to say, like, maybe they had just had sex a few hours ago. But then they're doing it again where Andrea Pop City is like, oh, are you ready to go?

Why is there a cat? Like, I know it's fun and quirky, but I have a problem with that. So your concern is, are they there pre or post-coitus or during or where they go during the boinking? Yeah. Intercoitus. Inner coitus. Yeah, I don't know.

I like that word. Yeah. That's a good. That's a fun word. Or is an intra-coitus? I always have a problem with inner and- Oh, the inner and intra. Intra is like an intra-squad,

when we used to do that in baseball, was when our team scrimmaged against our own team. Inter-squad is when he's scrimmaged against somebody else. That's a different team. That's inter-squad. So inter would be outside. So it depends if they're in the bedroom. If they're in the bedroom, then they're intra.

If they're outside of the bedroom, it's inter. Inter, okay. Yeah, sure. We got that. Yeah, we got that. I'm sure we got it wrong, but who gets it? Inter, intraurcoitus. Let's get back to Kenny and his dad.

They get to meet up in New York. I'm glad this happened so fast. I figured it happened so quick, yeah. Yeah, and like, if you're on that other side of this, I guess you could say, like, of course he wants to get him there that fast because he made this old thing up for TV. They actually talked weeks ago. Yeah, exactly.

His dad actually lives in New York and doesn't even live in Tampa. Who the fuck is Debbie? There's no Debbie. Debbie's a plant. That would be kind of funny, actually. She's just the in the city producer. Oh, man. We watched too much reality TV.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, I know. I'm just saying like, yeah, I think we watched too much reality TV. But I just take what what I saw from this scene. I don't need to dig that much further into it because what I saw is reuniting after 25 years. There's tears. There's hugs. Glad you're doing great. Mom passed a year ago. If you didn't know, she had advanced cancer, six months after her diagnosis, she lost her.

After that, I realized I didn't have a person. I could just call up. I need to talk to somebody. I didn't have that. That's when I realized I wanted to try and find you. Dad apologizes, which I think is big. He's like, I'm sorry I wasn't there. And I'm sorry I haven't been there. But from here on out, this is unconditional. I'm here for you. Whatever you need, you pick up the phone. you call me. And I think that's like a beautiful thing. Like even if it was because of the show, that's kind of my point.

Let's say the show is the reason. I agree because who cares? They got them back together. Yeah. And I totally agree with you. And I think that both of them, honestly, like on Kenny's end, I think he handled it unbelievably well

because obviously there are some feelings there. But he's still of the mind. And who am I to tell him not to me? But he's still of the mind of like, look, I was 17 years old and I just decided like on my own. I was, I was 14 years old and I just decided on my own like, you know what? I'm done with this. I don't want to do this anymore.

I don't need the relationship with my dad and I never reached out to him. In any other situation, it would be like, no, that's more on the adult. Like your dad should be reaching out to you and trying to mend that relationship, trying to make sure that he's still in your life. But Kenny seems to think that this is fully mutual. So when is dad's going down that path of like, I'm so sorry. Like I didn't know anything. Like I can't believe that I wasn't there for you.

and I'm like really sorry. It's unbelievable. Kenny's like, dude, it's okay. Like it's not your fault, but this happens. Like, Jesus, dude. Like that's maturity. And that shows me more about Kenny than any other conversation with Gavin than any other conversation with Kyle.

So like if this is what he's going to do in a very, very personal and emotional scene, that's really all I need to know about Kenny. The rest of it, we're going to see as we go. And you can make up your mind if you like him or not. But that was enough for me. Yeah, I agree. I think that we got what we needed from this scene. they seem to be in a good place.

If this mended their relationship and he did it because of the show but they're good now, I could give a shit. I don't care. I don't think it matters. But let's get to Kyle and Amanda. Oh boy. This, if you didn't clock her moves

and what she's trying to do in this scene, then you need to take the blinders off because immediately, immediately Kyle sees the dog and he's like, you okay, buddy? Oh, he's so happy here. He's so happy here. Okay.

Easy. Like, why, why do you have to throw that one out there right before you're going to get so upset, quote unquote, about everything that transpired? Because Kyle, all he says is, and by the way, pretty normal thing to say, given the circumstances, I assumed you were going to take more stuff. Well, I don't have enough space here. take everything with me. So you just want me to, so you're to live in our home, but your home doesn't include me and my stuff? No, it doesn't. No. You moved outside of one year lease. Had you signed a one

month lease? I, yeah, you could leave some shit. You signed a year lease. Get your shit out of his apartment. Like, I'm sorry. That makes no sense to then try to guilt trip him over leaving a pile of shit in the shower on the bed everywhere. No, for multiple reasons he doesn't want your stuff there. One, he doesn't like the clutter. Two, he doesn't. He doesn't. want this and he has to walk around his apartment daily seeing all of your shit no that's not fun it's not a good time for kyle no it my biggest issue with all this like i'm not even going to say like oh yeah poor kyle or anything it goes back to what big daddy bettola said i thought this was more mutual it wasn't mutual at all like she just made the terms up and did whatever she wanted

but she didn't see anything through she gets mad at kyle that he wasn't around the last day before she left. She was there the whole weekend. He was there the whole weekend. All she did was smoke weed and sit on the couch and they didn't talk about anything. You would think if you're planning on moving out and you've got movers coming, even if you are leaving shit there, if it was truly mutual and you're trying to make it now seem like everything was Kyle's fault because he wasn't there all day from 9 a.m.

until 10 p.m. Oh, God. You'll have a conversation like, hey, I think I can probably only fit about this much stuff. what do you want to do about this? Or do you mind if we just put this in the closet? Like I can clean some of the shit up or you can clean it up if you want to. I don't know. Whatever you want to do, it's your prerogative.

You live here. I'm not going to live here anymore. So I'm going to take all of this stuff. That's a very simple conversation to have. She didn't have that conversation because she didn't pack. She just didn't fucking pack the whole time. Like you can't tell me that she packed one iota of anything until that last morning. And all she did was probably just throw her fall in like early winter clothes into a couple of boxes

and had that move in. Like, that's all she did. So you didn't have the conversation. You didn't bring anything up with Kyle. You didn't talk to Kyle about your move. You didn't talk to him about any of your plans from the one month thing to the one year thing to now all of this. And just something is trivial as what I'm leaving and what I'm bringing with me. All you did was probably say, hey, I'm bringing Reese or Ryder.

I again, forget which dog she brought. But I'm bringing one of the dogs with me. I'm having the movers come in and take all this stuff. Maybe you shouldn't be here for the move. I'll be in touch and we'll figure out everything else. That's probably all you did. you could have had a conversation, just a simple conversation, not even about your relationship because you guys don't talk about your relationship,

just anything about the moving. You didn't. So now it's all Kyle's fault, all because he's like, hey, I don't know, like, are you planning on coming back to get some of this shit?

Or what do you want me to do with it? Oh, now it's a big problem. It's like, nope, nope, we're already starting. And then she just starts gaslighting him more and more.

And as soon as he gets revved up about clothing, she goes into, well, if you were out all day, drinking from 9 a.m. until 10 p.m. Maybe you would have figured like Jesus Christ, Amanda. Dude, it was so frustrating. I mean, before she even tease off on that, she's like, I'll just have the moving company come and like get all my stuff then. Good. Dude, please.

I don't like, all right. And then she's still holding on to this last night thing, like the last night she was in the apartment. Like you weren't there, brought strangers back to our home. I love that Kyle's like, it's like two nice guys. Like they're friends of somebody to do. I was like, that's not the point, Kyle. That's not helping. But. I guess, and maybe I'm in the minority here, I don't expect Kyle to be there to help you move out of your apartment together. Like, I don't expect that. I don't really think it's crazy that his wife is leaving. He's pretty sure that this is the, like, he knows this is the end.

He knows damn while you're not coming back from this. So he went and he tied one on and he stayed out of there and didn't walk around that apartment. That kind of makes sense to me. reasonable and like relatable you know so like could you be perturbed about it yeah I could see where you get frustrated but to not even

kind of see the other side of it is a little confusing to me and also you know talking about the ground rules and stuff because it's so one-sided that to me tells me this was never going to work because if it was really the goal to fix things and

and mutually repair this relationship there would be mutual guidelines. There would be a mutual respect in this thing where it's like, we need to do this stuff better together. Not, Kyle, here's a list of a hundred things that you suck at. I'm going to try not to be messy anymore.

Like that doesn't, it doesn't compute. It's not the same thing. No, it's totally not. And the gaslighting from Amanda's side was just absolutely brutal. Again, this was another one where I think Kyle showed restraint.

Like I expected. I'm glad he went off a little bit. He went off a tiny bit, but like, it was just about her smoking, he did not packing for the most part. He didn't really get into anything else. And he just kind of talks about how he was spiraling. He's like,

what do you want for me? Like I told you I was spiraling all summer. I told you at the last day of Summerhouse that I was spiraling and I didn't know what was going on. Now you're moving out. You want me to be this person that I'm not is essentially what he was saying. And it's like, okay, that makes sense.

Everything that Kyle's saying, all of his frustrations, all of his issues when he's bringing things up to her like it again for kyle it makes sense is he wrong half the time for sure but whatever he's still at least being consistent he's still being himself when amanda does things she's just trying to paint kyle as this worst person ever and i think that again and we talked about it and i actually i already took a peek at the questions i do think and unfortunately we have to say this pretty much every fucking episode i do think without the west of it all people would be like all right amanda come on

You've got to be kidding me with this stuff. Like you're not trying at all. You're just making him look at. Exactly. And I think you get that through, watch how this escalates. Like step by step where we start is irritation about the apartment, right? And you're not being there last night,

bringing strangers home, whatever. Kyle's clapback was about work because he's like, you don't give a fuck about me. You don't care that I was in debt or I am in debt. The call that I was having was for a $5 million check. And I'm stressed with work. You never, ever ask me about it.

And that's what I realized you don't want a future because if you did, you would care. You would ask questions. I don't know how that shifts to, you want me to ask questions when you can't stop drinking and stay out late? It's like, well, that's not that. He's talking about like stress from work, not that stuff. And he's like, I acted out. The leap that we take from apartment stuff. drinking to the cheating thing again.

I was like, whoa. And like, yeah, it's fucked up what he did. I'm not, we'll never defend him. No. But I just, I guess I don't know how we got from, you don't want my stuff in your apartment. That's annoying to me to, were you acting out when you cheated on me?

I was like, Jesus Christ. Like, we're going back to that now. Yeah. I think any opportunity, even the ones that don't really present themselves, that might slightly resemble a conversation or an argument that they've had before, she's going to bring it up. Like, she's just bringing it up at every opportunity.

And it's just, it's, I know this might be insensitive to say, but it's getting fucking old. I don't care about Kyle cheating on you anymore seven years ago or wherever the fuck it was, nine years ago. It doesn't matter. It truly doesn't matter because we're talking about current events or at least Kyle's talking about current events. You always dip back into the well whenever you feel like you might be losing an argument. And that tells me that you're losing the argument.

it just was a for me like it's just too big of a leap to get to that point and you know that could be indicative of like this is so far gone that it doesn't really matter and that's where it's coming from but i genuinely think like i said at the beginning of the episode her whole plan on in the city was just to nail kyle's coffin shut just paint him as this piece of shit this is why I'm leaving. I could never have had a good relationship with this guy. He's ruined my life. He's ruined the last 10 years of my life. I think that was the goal going in. She didn't expect all this stuff to happen, which you probably should have. If you're going to fuck West, you have to know it's not going to end well, but here we are. But yeah, I don't know, man. Like, you know, she's

holding on to that last night. And I think that is the kind of the centerpiece of all of her argument now. And it's like, I don't really care that he wasn't there. Honestly, I think it's weird to not understand why he wasn't, like why he decided to not return home that day. You're leaving. He knows it's over. He doesn't want to be the one to carry your shit out of your home together. That kind of makes sense to me. So that can't be the crux of everything you're saying, because there's two sides to that one at the very least. We can discuss it. So I don't know. It just seems so black and white to me, like what she's trying to do. And yes, we, we do have the beauty of hindsight right now.

But I don't know, man. I'm fairly confident. Had all of that not gone on, I think we'd still be sitting here having this conversation. We probably would. And I think the funniest part about that is we'd probably be facing scrutiny, which would be getting roasted in the comments. Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt. It's a missed opportunity, unfortunately.

Yeah. Let's get to some questions here. I see a two-parter right up. I love this from Sarah Jai 3. Part 1. Thoughts on the irony of Mandy being mad Kyle won't help her move slash keep her shit when she's the one who signed a year lease in her own apartment. Hello.

Thank you. Gas lighting. Yep. Okay. We're not crazy. No, we're now. No, we're definitely not crazy. I like this username from Last Single Friend.

I hope that's an old username. him. Uh, what do you think Amanda's dad thinks of West? West shared they met and her dad was great. I don't fucking. I don't know, man. Whatever West, I, the broadcast boys, uh, like Soho Brady and them, they did their whiteboard thing, but West was there. And I, I didn't watch it. I, I, I, oh, no, they pressed him pretty hard. Yeah, I just don't care to hear from West anymore. I don't give a shit. No, that's fair. Uh, let's see. Sarah Olivia. Without the scandal, we'd be on Kyle's side about the state of the apartment. Well, if that's all you're asking, yeah, I don't think there's

anything that, yeah, no, that's never acceptable. We're, we're now currently entering the season of apartment watch where we will watch as that apartment gets cleaner and cleaner every time we go to Kyle's. Yep, that'll be spotless the next time we're there. Mm-hmm. Oh, see, I, I viewed this differently. I think you did too from Sokna or sockna.l.08, when Owen said that he wouldn't give answers to the guy's questions red flag i think that that's fine that he didn't answer any those yeah he doesn't know them given the state of affairs with that uh that group of guys i mean we already saw kyle and kenny are close kyle went and ran and said hey he doesn't feel a spark with his relationship we've seen gavin move we've seen the way that everybody else is talking about i i don't

blame him for not answering questions no i don't i thought that was normal uh given the circumstances Had he been on like a one-on-one scene with Kenny after they'd had like, you know, or starting to build a friendship and he was stone cold about it, then I would be like, okay, that's interesting. But in this situation, when you have fucking Gavin pressing you, I would have shut, like I said, I would have snapped. Yeah, absolutely. I love this idea from five foot two blonde.

Oh, is it pod meets world or twirled? Is that a different one? I don't know. I thought you're talking about the one that's the actual cast of Boy Meets World. I'm just going to pretend it's at 5 foot two blonde. Hear me out. The guys from Pod Meets World are covering in the city. Boy Meets World is a Philly show.

They are two guys who don't get Bravo and are new to it. You are two guys who get Bravo crossover. Who's on the Meet's World Pod? It's Sean Topanga sometimes and the main guy. Corey. Yeah. That's pod meets world. She said pod meets twirled, T-W-I-R-L-D.

So I think it's different ones. Okay. If it's the gas of Boy Meets World, fuck yeah. I'll twirl for them. We would love to do a podcast with them. Are you kidding me? I don't think it would ever happen, but God, that would be amazing. We would love to twirl for them is, I think.

Yes. Oh, boy. There's a lot of statements in here, which is kind of funny. Oh, yeah, here you go, Allie Hauser. what would the collective opinion be if Amanda or about Amanda if the Amanda Westup didn't happen. Yeah. I think that's slowly becoming the question that everybody's asking, which I think is very funny. I'm pretty sure.

And I think you guys can vouch for us a little bit here. Like, I think we would be saying the same shit. Like, we, I think we're pretty consistent. And like this would have stuck out, like, especially the scene with both of them in the apartment. I definitely would have been saying, why do you expect him to move your stuff? Yeah. when you're leaving like that doesn't make sense yeah uh cat graham 37 not a question but big daddy as your dad's contact is insane if he put it in there and she didn't change it very weird but

you know what i don't care if she put it in there that would be bizarre mm-hmm no this is funny from rachel michaelis i hope i'm not one of the first tend to see your story will would get jealous those you that don't know that's will colp from southern hospitality who who's a fucking weiner. And he is always one of the first people to view our story. Like every time we post. Yeah. From Amelia K.

506, do we owe Kyle an apology for giving him hell saying Amanda is messy. I'd crash out from the bed. I think that there might be some other additional information somewhere, but it cut off there. Yeah, when he was talking about it on Summerhouse, I do still think him getting drunk and just blurting out random shit

about them not having sex, her smoking weed all the time and being messy as hell was still the wrong move for Kyle. Yeah, absolutely. We're definitely, we don't owe him an apology for doing that. No. It's not like it exonerates him in any way. I mean, it opened our eyes to how messy she is, but yeah, we don't know an apology for it. Mel Mitch 89.

Are we for or against Amanda bringing up Kyle's cheating in the past again? It is, you know, slightly nuanced because, yeah, it's a terrible thing that he did. For me, it was more the timing and the escalation of what we were talking about to then throw that one out there. It just seemed planned. It seemed like I'm going to drop this one in here to really fuck you over. I don't know. Like I can totally get if you're out there saying, look, he did it. And if she wants to bring it up, that's her prerogative.

I get that side of it. But I am also looking at it from like a structure of a scene standpoint. point. It's like I, to get to that from what you guys were talking about seems like a pretty drastic leap. Yeah, I totally agree. We're going to end on this one. I think there was another one too. Oh, there's two here. So I'm going to read both of them. From Sarah Guy 2021. This was a good episode for Kenny. Steele. Did you get teary eyed with all the stuff with his dad and Miranda and 412? How fast did Steele cry during the phone call scene with Kenny? Yes, I got teared up. You guys know me too well.

Like, at least I'm honest about it. Real men cry, shooter. Yeah, no, I'm not arguing that. I just like that our listeners know that. No, no, it is funny to me. Anytime there's anything remotely emotional, they're like, ha ha, Steels being a bitch. Hell yeah.

Steels definitely crying like a little bitch. And you're right, probably 90% of the time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Look, it's a good show. Like, I like this show. I think it's got legs.

I think that we need to work through some of the early shit before it really takes shape. And I think that's mainly due to Kyle and Amanda and all of that going on. But I think I'm very curious to see what this show looks like when we really finally kind of break away from that. And I know we never fully work on it. Yeah, I do too. But we'll see. Time will tell. But that's all I got.

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