Bros & Shows - Blood & Cheese: House of The Dragon Premier Full Recap (Season 2 Episode 1)

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Good Morrow Bros! It is a triumphant return to Westeros for season 2 of House of The Dragon and we are so excited to be recapping it with youse. We've been wanting to branch out into some other content (while obviously still covering our Bravo shows) but this is our first foray into something different! In episode 1 it is the aftermath of Aemond killing Luceryus and it seems as though war is inevitable. Rhaenyra is mourning and has yet to return to Dragonstone. In King's Landing, Aegon is settling in as King and attempting to bring his son Jahearys into the fold to learn how to be King... But not before Helena tells him that she is afraid of the rats... On team Hightower, it seems like there is some tension. Between Aegon being incapable, Aemond being unpredictable, Otto and Alicent attempt to get on the same page. Lord Larys continues to slink about the castle and dig up the dirt as well as 'rid the castle' of any of those still loyal to Rhaenyra. Upon finding the wing of Luceryus' dragon as well as his cloak, Rhaenyra gets closure and returns to Dragonstone to utter one sentence, 'I want Aemond Targaryen'. Daemon takes it upon himself to avenge the family and goes to King's Landing and employs Blood and Cheese, a knight of the city watch and a rat catcher. Although they were sent to kill Aemond, it seems as though another target falls in their sites. One with a lot more repercussions. At this point between Team Green and Team Black it seems as though war is inevitable and this may be the final straw. BUT WHAT A GREAT PREMIER THIS SHOW IS INCREDIBLE! IF YOURE NOT WATCHING WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?! Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Time Stamps: Intro: (0-4:20) Death Pool Odds: (7:00) HOTD Recap: (12:30) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... Bravo Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back. to another episode of brav bros, your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Sir Steele, joined as always by the one and only, Sir Goots. What's up, dude? We are a couple of happy boys over here.

Look, this is what's going to happen. We're starting to branch out, and Steele and I are really pumped. Let's talk a little House of the Dragon with everybody. Rar. We've been practicing our rars. How, the over-under for rars in this episode. I would imagine every time that we talk about one of the dragons, we're probably going to let out a little rar.

I mean, you think you have to, but as shooters said... Vagrar. Vagra. Ah, I love that. That's fun. But for those of you that are, you know, looking for Bravo, don't worry. We're still covering all of our Bravo shows. We just decided that it was time for us to branch out a little bit.

We have a lot of interests. Spread our wings? Spread our wings. We're going to make a lot of puns. So just buckle up and get ready. Or should I say saddle up because we're riding dragons. there you go now we're talking yeah fire in all cylinders fire god damn well this is we're just gonna do but but as shooters said we wanted to branch out we have a lot of interest we want to share those

with you guys so this is one of the things we love we have been thrones guys since day one house the dragon guys since day one we talk about this show endlessly even though it hasn't been on in years we still discuss it frequently so we wanted to share our enthusiasm with you and on top of that. This is a good time to tell them? Should we tell everybody? I think it's a good time to tell everybody, yeah. Yeah, since we've decided to start branching out, and as you know, with our Brov Bros members program, for those of you that are unacquainted or not part of the membership program, we are starting our exclusive episodes with rom-coms, and that is another area in which

you're branching out, and that is almost like a test run for our faithful, our Brov Bros. members, those that want to get more exclusive access. We're doing our bromance episode, which as rom-com recaps to see how they're received, to see how you guys like them. If that goes well, those will also be branched out into our main feed. So in keeping with us starting to spread our wings, we are thinking of a possible name change. We are. And I think that you want to let people know what we're thinking. It is very off the cuff.

Very off the cuff. Honestly, you're not going to see this one coming. No, you're not. We're thinking about going with the bros. That's it. Just the bros. Now, look, I mean, before Justin Timberlake breaks through the door, like the Kool-Aid man and tells us to drop the the, oh, right.

Go to bros. That's a social network reference. Yeah, it's a possibility. Look, I mean, it just sounds good. It rolls off the tongue really well. And you already know us as the bros. So there it is. It's nice and shortened for you.

Yeah. And what that does for us, again, it just, it allows us to expand our reach a little bit as far as what we're covering. So don't worry. We are not getting away from Bravo. We love Bravo TV. We will always love Bravo TV. We will always cover Bravo TV. But this allows us to just do a little bit more, allows you guys to give more input.

Hey, we've been watching this show. We love it. Would you guys cover that? And now we can. So not this week, but within the next couple of weeks, don't be surprised if we go by the bros instead of the brav bros. Don't be super confused for those of you that subscribe. And if you don't subscribe, make sure you click that subscribe button. Oh, nice.

The first time I've done that. For those of you that do subscribe, don't be very confused when the episodes start to change and they look a lot different when it just says, the bros. No bros. Not bros. Yeah, I know. Like I said, it's very off the cuff, very different. But now, you guys know us as the bros.

We will continue to be your bros. We are always and forever your bros. So that's all. And without further ado, it is House of the Dragon season in the Stutie Bro. It is. And we got the red lights up if you're watching on YouTube. Pumped. Yep.

I got my Wrexom shirt on because I got a big old dragon on here. I did not watch the after show. You shared with me that it's Renera's, the act that plays Renera. Yeah, it's Emmett Darcy sitting down and talking. Now, I'm actually not even sure if it was the after show. I think the after show for this episode was Helena's character and maybe Agon's character. I'm not exactly positive, but I've been watching so many fucking TikToks and Twitter. And, like, I forgot how incredible social.

media is on a Game of Thrones house of the dragon night the memes are flying everywhere people have takes about the book versus the show it's incredible it just brings you right back to where you were with Game of Thrones and when it was coming to an end i was all in on game of thrones yeah and that was a show that like transcend it was one of the first shows for me to like transcended tv where i was like fully enveloped in the social media aspect of it it's just so enthralling with every different dynamic. There's so many characters, so many storylines, so many pre-stories that you don't know about

unless you dive into the lore of it because George R.R. Martin has written a billion things. I know he's got more books to write for these shows if he plans on doing that. I don't think he's going to because they weren't super well-received. But the whole point is this is like it's an actual universe that we get to dive into.

And I think that watching these shows because there's such a grand scale that it's something that I, I'm so excited we get to talk about it. Yeah, no, so am I. This is one of those shows, and it really takes you back to, with Thrones, I would re-watch episodes during the week

while waiting for the next one to come out. And I love it. And look, you and I talk all the time about your preference for shows is typically, let me wait for a few episodes to come out before I jump in so that I have enough content to really get into. This is not one of those shows.

This is one of those. Now, again, we just talked about how there is material out there that you can read if you'd like to. You can read Dance of the Dragons and find out what happens if you want the spoilers. We're not going to do that on the show. We're not going to tell you what we already know. I know a few things that happen in the future. A few key deaths, things like that, but I'm not going to let anything on. This is just to recap the shows and just talk about what we see. No spoilers here. Obviously, if you haven't seen the episode, it's a spoiler, but that's on

you. That's not on us. Yeah, you can't blame us if you want to spoil it for yourself. You know what you're getting into by listening to this episode. This is episode one. of House of the Dragon, before we get into it, we've got some fun things planned for this season. We do. The first thing we're going to do it right now. We're going to set up our odds so that everyone knows what's going on. We're going to have to listen back so I can write down the odds.

Or maybe I should just write it down now as we go. That's actually probably a much point. I already wrote down the odds of... Oh, you got the odds? Oh, yes. So we have a death pool. We do. And that is, what character do you think is going to die first?

And we will start checking people off the list. We're going to give odds so you can, You can send us in messages what your picks are. If we want to make this a little bit more interesting, we got a whole box of T-shirts in this room right now that we can start sending out if people hit it on the head. So, Deathpool, what that means, your character, when they're going to die,

like as far as chronologically, the next man up, next woman up, and what the odds are for that death. Shooter, give me the odds. All right, so, and these are a little biased based off of who I want to see die, for sure. It's our odds. This is one of those shows. So, and the way that this is going to break down, this is standard. I know a lot of people out there listening, they don't gamble, so they don't understand it.

So I'm going to explain how this works. Great. If you were to put, we'll use nice big round numbers. If I say something like plus 100, that means you bet $100, you get $100. If I say something like minus $400, you bet $100, you only get $25 in return. It comes in increments. So I'll keep that in mind as we go through. It's not that big of a deal.

It's not like you're betting with us. Shout out. Gaming commissions, we're not betting here. No, we're not. We're just putting this stuff out there, right? Can you explain the plus versus the minus if you're voting for an underdog or not? Yes. So if there's a plus before it, unless it's plus 100, which is even, if there's a plus

before it, it means that it's unlikely to happen versus the other people that I'm going to name. If it's a minus, it means it's likely to happen. So there's a few on here that are minuses just based off of how the story's been going, what's been happening, who I personally want to die. You feel about it. And then there's a few on here. Look, I do it with my heart, but I also have my mind in there. So, of course, there's going to be some surprises along the way.

But we'll go through this the best that we can. And if you have any interjections, feel free to jump in. But this is what I have. Otto High Tower, minus 400. That's my favorite to die next. Yeah. First, rather. Well, I mean, you know, Jeharis, and we'll get into all of that.

But, yeah, first one to die in my mind, Otto. I don't hate that. I don't hate that. I don't hate that. Carry on. I've got Sir, Kristen Cole, minus 250. Yeah, I like that. Oh, no, actually. I disagree with that, but these are your odds.

They will be fluid. These are the only ones that are a little out of order just because they're minuses, so they're a little over. I've got Agon the second, King Agon, if you will, if that's the team that you support, minus 300. Okay. So he's a little closer to Otto. Yeah.

I've got Amon and Damon tied at minus 250. Ooh. Yeah. That way you can't choose. You need to figure out which is which. You got to pick one. Mm-hmm. Because I think that they're probably going to both go down maybe at the same.

same time maybe like just after each other so it's going to be really tough there oh see i got damon i got damon go in the long run all right there you go um i have renees the princess that never was or rather the queen that never was at minus 150 yeah i like that i have rinera and corliss the sea snake even yeah definitely i don't think that rainer is going to die that soon but i wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the season we're like what the fuck just happened about ned stark for a season of game of thrones uh here's here's Yeah, sorry, guys. This one I threw in for fun.

Thailand, Lanister, plus 150. I think he's going down. He's an easy one. Probably the happiest man in the kingdoms right now, though, because his bully died. Yeah, that's a better. Oh, Jesus. No worry, I got a few more of those lined up. Well, they're fictional characters, so you can say whatever.

Exactly. I've got Jace or Joceris, plus 150 as well. His brother just died, so I don't think they're going to kill him off that quickly. He's got good, yep. I have club foot, Laris, plus 250. Oh, see, I got him in the minus, but okay. Really? I think he's going to linger around.

He's going to do the little finger aspect. He's the new little finger. That's what he is. Well, it's always the master. Well, I guess he's sort of, he's way more little finger than he is Varus. I just don't under, yeah, because Veris is a little more forthcoming, whereas Little Finger was behind the scenes, snakey, like, shit like that. I don't know how they cast these people to get.

It's so on the nose. Laris, like, literally, if you. asked me to depict or explain what that character would look like, that's him. Absolutely. It's incredible. Yeah. I mean, he's a guy that's obsessed with feet. We know that from the first season, so here we go. Let's

move on here a little bit. I also have Allison Hightower, plus 250. I think she's going to linger around for a bit. I have Helena plus 350. Yep. Her child just died. Spoilers ahead, but I don't think they're going to kill her off right away unless she might kill herself. Exactly. I might, yeah.

I think that, ooh. But that's really the end of it. I've got the white worm in there, too. I don't think she's as important as the other ones that I listed. She's up there at, like, plus 450. Yeah, I like those odds for the most part. There's a couple of discrepancies, but, hey, I don't make the books. You do.

So it is what it is. You got some chances to make some good money there, I think. So if you have a pick, go ahead and send us a DM. I will pick from three people. And if you win, if your bet hits, you will get a T-shirt. And if you have better odds, I'll throw something else in there. and we will keep teaching you how to beat degenerate gamblers along the way.

So you get a little win here. But let's dive into this episode because there's a lot to talk about. There was a longer episode. I don't know if everyone's going to be that long or if that was just the premiere. I think the average runtime that I read before, the average runtime is a little over an hour.

Love that. Yeah. I love that. With a couple of them, I imagine towards the end, they're going to be an hour, 15, hour, 20. I would imagine they start to get towards the end. They're like little movies.

but let's jump in and we start out with a familiar place which I loved and that was Winterfell and we get to a little dive back into the north which is a lot of fun I'm confused and I hope maybe you can help help explain this to me a little bit and this is going to happen a lot but they have the wall the wall's been there for centuries yep from what I've gathered from season one the the warning of the winter the long winter is a secret. So why does the North know what's going on beyond the wall? Like, they're waiting for that to happen.

They're protecting that. Yeah, so I thought it was really funny just because from what we know about the Starks, and this is the first time that we're really seeing the Starks. I know that we saw the Starks in season one when they were bending the knee to Reneera as the air, but that was just one Stark. And I believe that was another Tauran Stark. That was Taryn Stark. This is Craig and Stark.

Yeah, so this is Craig. Reagan Stark. This is his son who ended up being the Lord of Winterfell, but he also essentially got drafted to go to the wall. So that sucks. Um, so anyway, this was really funny to me because we see the Stark's throughout Game of Thrones, just talk about winter is coming. They know everything. They know that death is beyond the wall. They know how the wall was built and all of these things. It's really funny to see 300 years before Game of Thrones and they're still doing that chip. Yeah. They are so consistent. That's what I mean. Just talking about winter. The entire time talking about death is on the march and they look i'm sure it's just based off of a couple

of raiders that went out there or a couple of riders that went out there and came back and reported some stories awesome white walkers they just take everything so seriously out there it's just so funny to see i actually appreciate how stark they are when it comes to their demeanor and the fact that we got a note because we're going to build teams as we go the starks are on ronera's team they have they have listened or what is it obeisance obisance obeisance. They never forget their oaths. Yeah, they don't forget their oath. So they are still on Team Minera. They are bending the need to the real queen. So that is good to know. The Starks have always been honorable people.

They continue to be honorable to. I guess this is like 200 years prior, right? It's about 250, I think. 250 right now? Almost 300. Yeah. And look, I mean, from this scene, what I got, you have to look through a lot of things because, you know, obviously there's books out there, but they try to do their best with looks and things and dialogue. It seems like Jace has been up there for a little while and he's made friends with Craig and his hair's longer his hair's longer so you got to note those things because that's how these shows episode to episode tend to jump long time frames at least season one did it did slow down towards once they got all the adult actors in there that started to slow

the timeline a little bit but pay attention to features such as hair demeanor different things will tell you okay we've jumped the head a little bit that's the first thing i noticed i'm like all right his hair's longer he's been there for a minute so he's gotten to know the starks a little bit at least long enough for the raven to arrive, letting him know that Luceris, a.k. Luke, has been eaten by a dragon. Yep. Still one of the best endings to a season ever

when Vagar comes out of the fucking clouds and just boom. Old grandma dragon. Dude, when that happened last year, I think I jumped out of my seal. I was like, no! What? They're so good at ending on such a fucking banger. So that is important to note, though. The Stark's Team Renera.

Yes. All right. So we move on from there and we get a check-in with Damon and Rayneese and these two together first of all was there sexual tension because I got a little sexual tension no no no this is Raynees is again

she was the queen that never was she doesn't take shit from anybody she's a badass I'm not saying that and this is Damon coming out saying you're going to do this I love that little line that she threw in there would you be the king yeah exactly you're not the fucking king you can't tell me what to do and look essentially what's going on

is Raynees is riding her dragon all up and down the coast because there's an embargo. There's a whole string of ships that are just blocking everything. Well, Corliss has the blockade in order to keep things coming into King's Landing to keep them.

And essentially there's probably some war breaking out over there, a little sea war. Well, you see his ship come in later and it's like, and I know that's a glimpse from last season as well, but that's a continuation. There's still, I'm sure they're not posted up in the middle of the sea and not having some reprimand from the other side of things.

So that makes a lot of sense to me. But these two are formidable. And I wonder if we're going to get to a point where they do team up because I think they could fuck some stuff up. They definitely could. I just don't really see Rainey's teaming up with Damon. I don't think she likes Damon at all. It would be on her terms.

It would definitely be on her terms. And I think that's what Damon wants. I think Damon wants both of their dragons. We'll take them both to King's Landing and we'll go rip them out from the route. If they go try to take on Vagar, they're going to lose. I'm just going to say that right now. They could. I think they would maybe yeah that's my bold prediction that's that's your bold prediction

well that's a not that but i think i think the biggest thing here is to note that one like you said renees is not going to follow anyone even when she leaves and comes to ronera's side at the end of last season it's not as though she's like i know she offered her support and everything but it's she has a different air about her where it's more so like i'm helping you to help me versus the other people like oh i'm loyal to the crown she's just like i got fucked I'm not getting fucked by these people, so I'm going to help you fuck them back. I think honestly what it comes down to for her

is that the sea snake valled to Reneer. Yes. And she goes by her oaths, and she was unsure as to what she was going to do. The back and forth here is incredible. One, first off, the little driveway for the dragons. Sick. Fucking love that.

Let's pull up my dragon hop off and I get to walk into the castle. Awesome. Love that. Great setup. But the back and forth is really important. Again, we already talked about the strain between the two of them.

Damon wants her to do something. Rainis is absolutely not going to say it. But an important nod, I feel like maybe to the audience because of last year and last season, rather, when we were talking about how Rainis pulls up on her drag, and she could have ended it all right there. I know. And I wish she did. Well, obviously not for the show purposes, but she could have.

She easily could have. Just either flame him or eat. Aegon just anyone. Honestly, just knock the entire stage off. Who cares? But Damon knows that. And Damon says that to her and says, well, if you just did what you should have done last year we wouldn't be in this situation

and Reneer wouldn't have lost a son. So think about that. So he does have the upper hand at the end of this argument, I feel like. But is that again a nod to Rannis and her honor of following the code where she's not going to kill off? That's a good point. That could be the dichotomy between the two characters. Interst Damon's going to do whatever the fuck he wants.

Damon is unhinged. I love Damon. He's fucking Uncle Daddy Damon. Matt Smith is the actor's name. He is remarkable at that character. He embodies everything. And I think the most intriguing part for me about that character is he is a sociopath with empathy at weird times.

Yeah. And it's the most bizarre. Like at certain points, all of a sudden he has feelings. And then immediately after we'll do something deplorable. He's a very intriguing character. So I'm curious to see where this, I think that these two are going to team up in some fashion and are going to do something amazing. I don't know what it is yet.

But I do think that this duo, I think. we're getting introduced to this duo the way that we did early to prep us for, okay, here they go, they're going to go do their thing now. So I'm excited to see if that comes to fruition. But a quick in-between scene, and this is important to note with Renera, because we haven't seen her yet. She has been out mourning the death of her son, and she's just standing on a cliff. And it's important to note, because we get a couple of these scenes throughout. Doesn't say a word. You just get a quick glimpse, and then we move on. And the next scene is with Corliss, who is getting back from the battle.

And I'm not going to lie to you because he's walking with a cane. And then Alan, which, by the way, love that a guy's name is just Alan. Well, it's A-L-L-Y-N, at least. Oh, I know. I know it's spelled funny, but it's like, thank you, Alan. It's like, you've got these crazy names and then fucking Alan down by the docks. And when he pulls out that dagger, I shit you not. I was like, oh, my God, we're going to have a pirate storyline, and that's a peg leg.

It wasn't a peg leg But this is important for Corlis Because obviously he was hurt last year They didn't think that he was going to make it They thought he was going to die What was going to happen? Luceris was next up Yep

And the sea snake pulled through Luceris gets eaten by a dragon Yeah So big swing of events there For the sea smoke Seas Smoke Well that's the fucking dragon Jesus Christ

A big swing of events there For Drift Mark But it's really touching I feel like to see that that dagger was commissioned for Luceras by Corlis. So even though we all know, it's a bastard son, it's a bastard son, Corliss still felt for him and he still wanted him to be the heir to drift mark, and he made this dagger for him, and he finds that and says, fuck, he's dead. Yep.

So that was a good little scene, I feel like one, we get a little check-in on the sea snake, just make sure he's okay, limping around a little bit, but he's an important character, so we love to see that. Alan, I hope there's more Alan. There's got to be more Alan. We've got to be able to remember, Alan. That's an easy name to remember. Well, the other part of that is he's not going to give a nod to the fact that Alan saved him and pulled him out of the water. If Alan doesn't come back later, Alan's going to be Team C-Snake in some capacity.

I don't know if he's going to work his way up as a confidant. I'm not sure what his role is. I swear to God, Alan, if you're a traitor. Remember the name Alan. All of you out there. Alan will be important in some way, shape, or form. But we move on from there and get back to King's Landing for the first. time and I immediately wrote this down because I thought it was important. You get Agon in the

room with his kids and his wife, the queen, and he's looking for Jaharis to take him into the council meeting. Yep. When he says, or she says, I'm afraid and he says, well, we got vagar, blah, blah, blah, she said she's afraid of the rats. I immediately wrote that down because I do know this show. They're going to leave little hints all over the place. So the minute that she said, I'm afraid of the rats, I was like, okay, that's important. I just wrote down the rats. So that's Helena. Helena is, we saw her last year. She seems to have some sort of, I don't want to call it like a brand-like power, but she has some sort of dreaming power. Yeah. She sees visions of things going on, but they're not clear. Very clearly, they are not clear to her. And I think what's going on here is she's having a hard time deciphering between what's real and what's whatever she's dreaming about or whatever she's thinking about. And she's very quirky and awkward. But she does this in the middle of a conversation, Agon, clearly has no fucking idea what's going on with her.

He's probably a little weirded out by her and just moves on really quickly. But she is staring over at the cribs when she says, the rats. It's like, ugh, maybe listen to her. And a slight note that I noticed later, and thank God, again, I can't shout out social media enough

after a Thrones night or House of the Dragon Night. Do you know what she's quilting there? Oh, shit, no. It's legitimately the veil or whatever they use for Jaharis's She has no idea what the hell's going on. Look, see, I need to get, this is what happens early on.

I'm not locked in yet. You're not locked in. I'm better than that. That's a great nod. Wow. Yeah, so she's all over the place and she doesn't know what's real and what's not, and she's just kind of doing things. But she even says to Agon, when Agon's like, yeah, I want to bring Jayharris to the

small council meeting, he's got to be able to learn these things. She says, what if he doesn't want to become king? Because he's not going to. I don't think that As funny as it is And as the point out of what she's like stitching over there I don't think she's thinking that No I don't either

I think she's just thinking for the well-being of her son Like everybody's going to die This is a huge war that's going on And there's going to be a huge dance of the dragons I don't want to Harris to be part of that Maybe if we don't make him kick Maybe keep Jerry out of it Yeah let's just keep Jerry out of it

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The way he carries himself. There's something about him initially. shilly last season. I was like, I don't love this dude. I'm not sure why, but I don't love this guy. You didn't love him? No. Oh. No, I got a weird vibe from him last year. I know, like, hindsight, obviously. But I was like, I'm not sold on this dude yet. The name Kristen Cole sounds like a medieval porn star. Yeah. So there's just something about this dude. I was not sold on. But he breaks this oath very willy-nilly. And I don't know if that's because of, you know, the fact that the women that he is. courting, if you will, are women of power. I'm not sure, but he is very quick to break this white cloth oath that he then he puts the cloth back on. That was definitely a moment where after they get done and, you know, you get the, I love

that this trope transcends centuries and different and fiction. She's like, this can never happen again. I'm like, you guys are going to bang tonight, shut up. But after this whole thing, it's almost like because she is who she is and puts that like cloak back on him it's like in his mind he's somewhat absolved like this is a guy and he's a very conflicted character which is interesting he is an interesting character because he tries to live this life of duty and servitude and honor and all these things he's taken oaths just and that but he's also very quick to break these oaths but seemingly in his own mind is justifying it

and i think that it's because it's quote unquote for the crown that it's okay but i think that's a big nod to who this character is. Like, he will break and mold, depending on what the situation calls for. That's not somebody you can trust at the end of the day. Yeah, he's an unbelievable hypocrite at the end of the day. Last season, he and Reneira, obviously, they had a bit of a fling, and he wanted to run away with Reneera. You can leave the crown behind.

You don't have to become queen. We can go. I think he said, like, we can go sell cinnamon or something and just like traitors. We can go to, like, Esos or the free cities and... Just live a normal lady. He says, I've seen the ships packed with oranges and cinnamon. Okay, all right, so whatever the hell he said, Reneer's response was, well, we could continue doing this,

but I would be here, and obviously I'm going to get married to a suitable person that could be the king, so on and so forth. His response to that was, I don't want to be your whore. You want me to be your whole. What is he now? He's Allison's whore. Yeah, the Queen region. You're just...

You know what, Chris? Yours is a little hoe. He's a little hoe. So he, for whatever reason, held on to this grudge with Rainer because she didn't want to run away from him. You're just a fucking knight. She was going to be queen. Of course, she's not going to run away with him around.

Yeah, like, shut up, dude. So now he's all pissed off and he's just moving on. And look, both of them, it's a really interesting situation and dynamic between the two of them. Because Allison still has love for Renira. And obviously, she's fearful because of what could happen in the future. But she still has love for Renira. an era, Kristen Cole might, but he's not acting on it anymore. He's acting opposite of that.

He is the man scorned, is what we're saying. That's what's happening. He definitely still has love for her. You can tell by the vernacular in which he speaks about her. It's definitely that, like, he wants to hate her. He says that she's terrible, this and that. But you can tell it's just because she broke his heart, which again, looking back at the situation, like, come on.

I also love that he doesn't age. Everybody else aged I wrote down under the Corliss scene I literally wrote what is age I don't know Corliss doesn't look any older either He's got a limp now Well the time jump from the end of season one

To season two is not that vast No no no no year or two I'm talking about when they were children Oh yeah Corliss looked the exact same as Corliss does now So does Rainies Any of the adults that were there like Otto Hight Tower

He's got like a little more grain his beard maybe But the majority of the adults They're all still the same Yes Obviously everybody else changed actors and actresses but Sir Kristen Cole was what like 15 or 16 the first time we see him and now he's in his 20s and he looks exactly the same I look maybe they didn't want to recast him I don't know what the hell happened but

they went with a very subtle hair change yeah that was there how he changes his hair again later how do you know that because they have the trailer for the whole season so and then he shortens his hair later oh I don't care for that I did appreciate the locks he needs to keep the locks I think if you're a night you have to have locks yeah dude isn't that that's Jamie Lannister exactly Or Heath Ledger in a Knight's Tale. Now we're just spanning across all fiction. That's a great movie.

Maybe we cover that one at some point. I love a Night's Tale. But in this scene with Allison Kristen, you get the Rat Killer, who we later know as cheese, which is a funny name for him. And if you don't know, his compatriot at the end of the show is named Blood.

So if you hear us refer to Blood and Cheese, which is the name of this episode, Blood and Cheese. No, the name of the episode's a Sun for a Son. No, I know. the name of our episode will be called blood and cheese. Okay, yes. Yeah, keep up.

All right, sorry, my bet. But cheese, the rat killer, is seen walking through at this point, which I also thought was interesting, and if you pay attention to it, most people are not allowed to just roam freely throughout the castle. This guy was just walking uninhibited

by anybody, and he was carrying the dead rats over his shoulder with a stick. Nobody paid him any mind. He was able to move freely throughout the castle. That plays an important role later, obviously, but moving on, we get this council meeting. And Agon brings Jeharis into it, and they're just going over where they stand. Whose is falling in line with who, what allegiances are going to what allegiances, all of that.

They have stormfall. They've sent letters to the north and the veil, which we find out later that the veil and the north have both bent the knee to Renera. So, again, our teams are taking shape. This is different than the factions we see on Bravo. I thought that the veil would have, I mean, I guess Renera's mother was from the veil. but didn't Damon also marry and then scorn his own wife from the veil? So that's the thing. He didn't scorn her.

Remember, she got bucked off the horse, quote, unquote. Oh, right. I forgot about the horse. And then he whacked her in there with a rock. Right. Blamed it all on the horse. No, I mean, you see the scene. He picks up a big rock because she says, I knew you couldn't finish.

And he picks up a big rock. And we know what happens. So technically, I think everybody knows. That's why I was surprised that the veil was able to pledge to Renera. Yeah. Yeah, but they're also not going to fuck with Damon because he's got a dragon. He's got Syrexas. Is that what his name is?

I want to get the names right. Caraxies. Caraxis. Syrexis. That sounds like a... That sounds like a... That sounds like something you would take for like erectileters. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Yeah, Cialis and... Thanks, Syrex. Caraxis. My bad. The dragon names, I will, I will do as well as like, Syrex is Reneiras. Syrax. So it's all close.

I just get the pronunciation wrong. There's always an X in there somewhere. That's not bad for me. Well, not, Vagar's no X, but whatever. That's fair. But regardless, the Vale and the North, as we know, have pledged allegiance to Renera. But this scene, I thought, with Jaharis coming in, this is 100% a nod to, and I think it's important to note, like, the, excuse me, the psyche of Agon. Because if you think back to Agon's childhood, the entire time, while other people were feuding,

about who was going to be the heir to the throne while Vassaris was still alive. Aigon was never really part of that conversation for Vassaris. Vassaris was always steadfast on Rennara being his heir while other people were trying to figure out how to supplant her and the other people being obviously the high towers who are

related to Agon. So, I think that this moment was a nod to Agon feeling like he did not have a relationship with his father, that his father never did any of this shit for him. So, hey, I'm going to do what I never had and bring this annoying kid in here. And at the same time, I have zero capability of reprimanding my child.

I just want to be an asshole, but at the same time, be a loving father. That's the vibe I got. No, that's definitely a good thing to point out. And I think it really shows you the headspace of Agam while he's going through being king. We saw last year he was very timid about it. I mean, he was drunk. He was in like the whorehouses. He was all over the place. He never wanted to be king. He never wanted to be king. He just wanted to be the drunken prince. And if you want to go do that, you can go do that. Now you're king. Have fun.

But he's now in this headspace, I feel like, where you can't really tell back and forth. And a lot of people are going to compare him to Joffrey. He's not nearly as bad as Joffrey. No, he made that mistake earlier. You're like, no, he's not. And I was like, yeah, you're right. Joffrey, Joffrey from day one knew that he was going to be king and acted like, yeah, he wanted to be king just so he could have the power. This is, I don't want to say the opposite.

but Agon, it seems like he tries at some points and then at other points he's completely disinterested. So he'll go back and forth for a little while and then lose interest in the entire concept of it and start laughing at his son messing with Thailand Lannister, which by the way is very funny because all of us obviously from before watching Game of Thrones hated the Lannisters.

You can respect the Lannisters all you want. I think some of the characters from that were incredible. But we hated the Lannisters. Now we get to watch one, get bullied by a five-year-old. It's really funny. And I still, I want to know this, and I asked this last year. I think you and I talked about it, and we didn't talk about it on the podcast, obviously. What the fuck are those little balls in the little rings?

I think that when you become a part of the council, you get your ball. And in order to speak at the table, you must have your ball. Okay. That's what I've gathered from that. We have not gotten an explanation. I'm sure there's a very convoluted one in the lore. I really wanted to look it up. I could find it, but I would rather speculate.

Yeah, it's more fun. I would rather speculate. Okay, let's see. I think maybe they're dragon balls. Is it sort of like, I think this was in Billy Madison. If you get like the talking ball, you get to talk? That wasn't Billy Madison. Was that Billy Madison?

I don't remember now. No, that was Adam Sandler. No, that was Anger Management. Okay. Oh, yeah. It wasn't Adam Sandler movie. But that's what I think. I think that if you are a member of the council where you have a seat at the table, you have a ball.

Yeah. I don't know where the ball comes from. Maybe it's like dragon glass or something like that. Regardless, that that's what I think. I don't think it's that important, but bet me that that becomes, like, a pivotal thing later on. Somebody's probably going to get their head bashed in by one of those things. I would, that would be a good death pool, like, prop bet. I could honestly see at this point, like, Agon just completely losing control and decided to grab one of those and just smash somebody in the head with them.

I could see that. Maybe Otto High Tower. Ooh, I hope so. Minus 400. Otto, I, fuck, he pisses me off, man. The self-righteousness, like, he's not being fucking scummy, but he's being scummy all the time. Great actor. great actor but I think that's what's so good about this show and Game of Thrones shows is the actors do such a great job at portraying their characters that the ones you love you genuinely love them and the ones you hate you genuinely hate these people so that's a nod to the actors being as good as they are but

Amen returns and I didn't know if this was immediately after eating Luceris or if this was like a little bit after I'm not really sure weeks maybe okay so he returns and I think that's just important to note because He clearly is the military mind. He is much more equipped to be doing the role of Agon. The only difference between the two of them, which is weird to say because it doesn't appear that Agon has any sympathy or remorse or any kind of normal feelings until we get to the scene where he's talking to the town, what they need, this and that, you get kind of a different glimpse. Whereas Amund is very much focused on conquering.

killing, but will listen. He will follow orders where Agon will not. I don't know. I get the opposite, actually, from that. I feel like Agon will listen to orders, at least to a certain extent. I see Amon as way more impulsive. Interesting. Yeah.

That is interesting, because I think that, all right, let me do you one better. Let me try to level it out a little bit. I think with a firm hand, Aeman can be controlled and can accomplish way more of whatever their goal is. Probably. I don't think that Amon really wants it, though.

I think he wants to be the military mind. I think he wants to just ride Vagar into battle and just kill a bunch of people and not necessarily be the crown. See, I get a different vibe. That's interesting because I think that when we get that scene with him and Sir Christ and Cole later, when they're both discussing military moves and this and that, he does knock both the queen as mom and Agon saying they're incapable of doing certain things because they are under the guise of Otto. High Tower and Allison.

So that to me tells me that he's at least thought of the idea as far as wanting to have the crown. I don't know. I think for him, it again falls under the idea of power. And Amon seems like he wants power. Wow, I'm going through a lot right now. It'll be really interesting to see because at the end of this episode, obviously, with what happens and what transpires, Amon's is logically the next in line for the throne.

He is. So I know in the books there's a third, there's a third child and his son. We don't read here. No. No, none of that. I think, man, I don't know. Because the other thing is when Vagar eats Lucera's last season, he does have a moment of no where he's like, shit. And is that because he knows that he just started war?

Does he actually feel bad? Was it a prank that went too far? Because we did see them fuck with each other a lot in the first season. Yeah, I mean, I think that he realizes right there that it's going to start an entire war. I don't think that was like remorse. for killing his cousin. That's, I'm just curious, because I'm trying to, there's a lot of... His nephew, actually, yeah.

There's layers to all these things. You've got to think about all the layers. But moving on from there, we get Allison and Laris. This is the first time we've seen Lord Laris, that sneaky fuck. The Master of Whispers and the Master Confessor. Master confessor. And I guess he had rounded up all of the people in the Red Keep that were spying or snitching or whatever. Pretty much so.

The way that I took that is... the transition period from when Vassaris died to Agon being king, they probably didn't get rid of everybody and there's got to be people in there that are still loyal to Reneira asking questions, maybe feeding information to the people that Damon still holds close in the Kingsguard. So there's a lot going on there. He decided to take it upon himself. Let me round everybody up.

I tortured a bunch of people. I killed a bunch of people. And don't worry about it anymore. I got the rats out of here. There you go. That's what I was going to say is what does that allude to? Once again, Rats, Rats seems to be the theme of this episode. Motief.

It is a little motif coming at you from the bros. New name. How to feel. Yeah, feels good. You know, we've said that a million times. But I think, yeah, it's just important to note that Laris is still being Laris behind the scenes. He even goes as far to let her know. I got dirt on you, too.

I went to your house maiden or whatever, and she said that you were indisposed. He knows what's going on. You were getting... It's a fucking master of whispers. He knows what's going on. He's in the walls like a rat. Hey, now we're reaching. But this next scene's important to know

because once again, no lines for Minero. But she finds the wing of Luceris' dragon. I don't know what the dragon's name is. I don't want to butcher. Erics. Eric's.

Thank you. Wow, you're good. I'm not. So you find the wing of Erics and the cloak of Luceris on the beach. And this scene, all this is is closure. This is her in a moment where she was searching

for something. And that's what Rainis had explained earlier. When she lost her daughter, all she received was a raven. And until she saw her mortal corpse, as she said, she didn't have that closure. So that's all this scene was. This is the closing of a door for Renaris that she can now either enact vengeance or start war, whatever her next move is going to be. We know what her next move is going to be. But this was an important scene because without this, she is still out there wandering, looking for some kind of answer to what happened. Yeah, and something important to note here, look, we love the cinematography of all of these. They do such a great job with all of these scenes.

This is huge because, like Steele just said, Reneira finally gets to grieve, and she is grieving. We talk about, or we haven't talked about this yet, but we know there's a huge bond between Dragon Rider and Dragon. There's another component here where Arix is actually Syrax's son or daughter. Wait, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's her dragon's kin. Whoa.

So that's Syrax's child. We got dragon revenge? So we had two mothers grieving at the same time. That's, wow. That is, I mean, you, you have that moment where the dragon lets out that, like, big bellow, which I thought that she was feeling for Renera. Which it could also be, but, yeah, it's also her kid. That's also her child.

Yep. Wow. Dragon Revenge is sick. We love Dragon Revenge. Fuck, yes. This is, I love this show so much. So great. But moving on, we get Agon the Magnanimus.

He doesn't know what Magnanimus means. but that's neither here nor there. And this was interesting. This is a side of Aegon that we really haven't gotten to see before. This is him actually acting as the king to his subjects. And they are stepping up to ask for things they need. The first one up is asking for his goats to be returned because they stole his goats, one-tenth of his herd, to feed the dragons.

Initial response, psh, no problem. You got it. We'll get to your goats back. Fucking grumpy auto. Actually, your liege, it might be a good idea to not do that as well. We might need the blah, blah, blah, blah, and then he rescinds his offer. Yeah. So.

I actually didn't think it was that bad of an offer. I didn't either. A tenth of your goats go to the drag, sure. Oh, you mean that big of a deal? According to who? According to me. Not to that poor man. It's not like they took it.

They could have taken half the goats. The dragons could have just went over there and ate all the goats. I see what kind of ruler you would be. I'm just saying I agree with Otto in this sense. If you do this now, every fucking sheep and goat herder in the land is going to come to you and say, hey, give me them back. You gave him back to this guy. Well, he gave him no resolve at the end.

And this, for me, it was like an interesting moment because Acon's trying. Like, in this moment, he's trying to be a good king to the best of his ability. It also shows that he doesn't think things through. That's another part of it, I suppose. You just outed yourself for being Team High Tower. Gross, by the way.

But I think that throughout this scene, you see him wrestling with what he thinks it means to be a good king and what it means to be a leader, which are two different things because in his mind being a good king is giving your subjects what they want hand to the king over here is telling you no this is a bigger picture you can't just give in for whatever they need even though some of their offers seem fairly reasonable like the the blacksmith coming up and saying his name is Hugh another great name Hugh and Alan who's going to play an important part moving forward yeah so Hugh and you can tell by the way when like the way that

the camera zooms in and everything slows down when he steps up specifically I that's why I wrote his name down. Hugh, he's probably going to be important. Yep. He goes on to explain, look, all the blacksmiths are broke, we got to make all this shit, irons way too expensive, can you pay us beforehand? Agon says yes, you can tell Otto has something to say about it, but he does put his foot down in that moment, which I think is important to show that he can speak up over Otto, which is going to lead to the scene that we're about to get to, and that is Laris and Agon. Old Clubfoot. Old Clubfoot comes up to talk to Aigon and plant some seeds about Otto.

And this is really important because what we just saw in that room was those two attempting to work together. Otto attempting to impart his will, which is what we saw him do the entire first season. He was planting seeds left and right with his own daughter, trying to get her into the king's keep, which he did. Now he's got the next in line for the throne. Now his grandson is on the throne. So everything he's doing is snaky.

So now Laris is putting it in Agon's head. hey, this man was the hand of the king to your father. I was expecting him to say, your father got rid of him, by the way. Don't forget. He didn't actually say that part. But I do think that this is a very important part because now Agon's going to start to question things. And he also doesn't strike me as somebody that's capable of doing this by himself,

which would lead to a massive downfall or a death, which we love. But I don't know. I thought that this scene is going to be a major factor going forward. Yeah, no, I think it definitely is because it speaks to the psyche of what agon's going through the fact that he's even listening to laris right now knowing you know what laris is the fact that he's the master of whispers is going to be important like it's going to change how you look at how you want to rule the fact that auto is there everything that just went down in the throne room talking to all the subjects you wanted to do good yeah you are the king you can do

good Otto's going to try to change that so now that plant that seed has been planted in his head. So we'll have to keep an eye on that. Now, obviously, things happen at the end, but he'll probably remember that moving forward and say, you know, maybe he starts blaming Otto for everything. Maybe anything that goes wrong, which, look, every king's going to do, every king has done that we've seen in this Game of Thrones universe. They're going to start questioning the hand immediately if something goes wrong. So it's important to see, Laris is sinking his teeth into Aegon, which is smart for Laris, bad for Agon, bad for the throne, too. But he's also got his teeth into Allison as well.

And she thinks that she's using him. Ah, see, I think more so than that. I think that's more. Oh, wait, Otto has his teeth in there or Lars? No, Laris does. I don't think Laris has his teeth into her because I think that Allison knows what Laris is now. I think she knows, but I think that she's playing a dangerous game and doesn't know how

far his reach is as far as digging up shit and manipulating situations. I think that she thinks she has a handle on it. Yeah. I think that he is more conniving than she's giving him credit. I think the scene with her in the bath speaks to how she feels about Laris, though, because immediately after he tells her, I changed out all the handmaids, I got rid of all of those, get out, get the fuck out of here, and then she scrubs herself clean. So I think she feels dirty even being associated with him.

Okay, that's actually a really good point. But we get Otto and Allison, we have the High Towers meeting, and they are trying to make sure they're on the same page. and their end result, yes, question mark, because is the end result for Otto to have his offspring or his relatives be on the throne? Or is the end game for Otto to sit on the throne himself? No, I don't think Otto wants the throne. I think he's completely complacent being the hand,

having his offspring on the throne. I think he wants, like, if he loses being the hand, he could defect. That's how I see it. I can see him going to the other side as soon as Agon. says get the fuck out of you i like that now i mean smart move by agam would be fuck you i'm going to kill you yeah have him be headed right away so that you can't flip to the other side because i don't trust you but if he were to be spurned away from his position i think that he

would immediately run away he wants power over anything but it doesn't mean that he wants to be sitting on the throne okay all right i just i wasn't sure but i mean the the whole conversation between these two is to figure out are we on the same page yes we want the same thing Very convoluted conversation to they have there. Super convoluted. Were they even talking to each other? I don't even know. I don't know.

I was lost the whole time. That's why I just kept writing things down. I think it's important to note. She's so hung up on Amon's eye from when they were kids. That's when he lost his eye because, by the way, your kids were being shitheads fucking with Reneer's kids and one of them lost an eye. They were about to kill him, by the way. And then...

Well, Amon stole Vagar from Lus Aris. Right. Okay. So, that whole thing, the fact that she keeps bringing up the eye, like she has not yet gotten her retribution for the eye, mind you, Luceris is dead. Yeah. Still not enough. Why is that such a sticking point with her? I have no fucking idea, honestly, because that's an unfair trade.

You want an eye for an eye. That's an eye for a kid. You got an eye for a kid. That means that the other side is now going to turn to violence. That's exactly what's going to happen. I think she's in denial. Is that what it is? I think it's pure denial.

I think that she won't blame her child. Even though she is in so many ways, and Amon speaks to it a little bit later, she is blaming her child for what happens, but she's still not. She's still saying he's right to go seek retribution for that. Oh, is she trying to justify the dragon eating? Or is this more?

I think she's completely out of it. She doesn't know what she's doing anymore. Well, is that also, is she harboring that because it gives her more reason to not like Ranira? and she's just trying to maintain some kind of anger towards that side of me she contradicts herself this entire conversation that's why i was so damn confused when she goes back and forth she's talking about the eye for the eye and then she's saying we need to be able to find a resolution here without turning to violence like no no it's not gonna happen can't like it's already turned to violence because of the actions of your son yeah we have no other choice but to turn to violence and at the end of the conversation they're like yeah neither of us wants the violence right right yeah we don't want it right maybe you ell But Otto wants it. Yeah, it's time. Yeah.

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She says one line. This is her only line, the entire episode. I want Amund Targaryen. Now, question, does she want Amon, or is that go kill somebody? Go fucking kill somebody and bring them back. I think it's Amid. I think it's specifically Aymond, yeah. Because at the end of the day, it is still, look, Reneira is going to turn into a complete horror, probably.

More like, rightfully so. But I think she specifically does want Amon's because of what he did to Luceris. That's not a, hey, Damon, go kill whoever the hell you want. Damon hears, well, yeah, let's go kill whoever the fuck we want. Well, he said, Amon. He said Amid. said Amen. Well, we'll get to that in the minute. But yes, he

heard that that's her only line of the entire episode. And still, Emma Darcy was able to portray an incredible character the entire time without even speaking. One line. One line. The entire time. Unbelievable. So yes, her coming back and look, we talked about it with Rainis,

she's ready for revenge after seeing that. Okay. All right. I wasn't sure. And that makes more, because my other thought process with that was I want Amen Targary. And she's to find out they killed jeharis and she's going to be like what the fuck i didn't tell you to kill a child and then that's going to cause distension in the house that was where i went the other way but then i was also like well maybe she just wanted ahead didn't care who it was no all right okay

then jace returns from winterfell and he checks in with ranera and obviously they're both upset because his brother just died or son just died let's know the veil is in and winterfell is in but i thought that this was a good setup for the following scene because we get alison with the candles which is a call back to last season and And on the juxtapose side of that, it's a weird way to say juxtaposition, we get Renera with fire and they are also doing a similar, what do you want to call it? You help me out here. Essentially, it's a funeral.

It's just all that they can find. Right. And they're burning Luke's stuff. So if you remember last season, we had that moment where after Renera had lost her mother, Allison takes her into that temple with the candles and says this helps me be closer or feel closer to my own. mother who I also lost. So in this scene, I think what you're getting with the fire and both them sitting in front of it, and obviously fire, dragons plays a big role in this whole thing. This is almost a moment of connection between the two. And I think this might be like the last

humane moment that we have between the two of them. Because on one side, you have Renera mourning the loss of her son. It's a funeral. They're burning things and his honor and remembrance, whatever. On the flip side, you have Allison paying tribute to the people that she's lost. the last candle she lights was for Luceris. Now that shows that she still has heart for Renera in some way, shape, or form. She still feels guilty for this whole thing. On the flip side, you have Renera, and she is letting go of her son and mourning it. So I thought for me, this connection between the two of them,

this might be our last moment of they have still some connection, some humanity left in the two of them, and once this is over, it's fucking game on. Yeah. And going back to the scene between, Jace and Reneer again Reneer doesn't talk but you can tell one it's

heartbreaking yeah absolutely heartbreaking scene and Jace comes in and he's ready to report to his queen but you do find out and like how many times have we seen this throughout Game of Thrones throughout even House of the Dragon that it's king first queen first whoever and then mother then father whatever and we see that

scene last year in a couple different scenes actually with Vassaris and Reneira sitting down he's king first always and he tells her I'm still your father, but he's always king first. She doesn't want to do that. She doesn't repeat that. So while he's going through, we've got 2,000 men coming from here.

We've got 5,000 coming down from here. He breaks down. She goes over and gives him a hug. Nice. Very nice. She's not doing that. She's still mother first, especially after losing a son. So that's insane.

But I do fully agree, honestly. I think this is probably the last anywhere, like, remotely close to a human interaction, even though they're not together between Allison and Renera. connection somehow. Yeah, because Reneer is about to go scorched earth and absolutely fuck everybody up. And she might still have like some regrets here and there. But I think that she's just going to go scorched earth. And Allison is worried.

Well, I think Alice is worried. But I also think because Allison's conversation with Otto, she had finally admitted, okay, I know it's time for violence now. I know it's time. So I think that this is the final farewell to humanity and now it's scorched earth on both sides. And now we're going to get because that, I mean, in all regards, Season one was more or less just exposition. It's leading up to what this season's going to be and all the buildup.

I mean, it was a phenomenal season regardless, but you could tell like, oh, fuck, we haven't even gotten into it yet. Like, we're just getting ready for that. So that's what this season is. I think that they got it out of the way episode one, which I appreciate. I also what I love about this show, because especially with Game of Thrones, if you remember, we had to wait so, and I'm sure it was a CGI money thing, we had to wait so fucking long for dragons. Oh, yeah, I know. We had to wait so long for dragons. I love that in House of the Dragons, it is so dragon-centric that we just continue to get them all the time.

Not only is their CGI budget so fucking high, but they're marketing budgets insane. I know. The fact that there were banners all over the place and Steele and I drove up to Boston last week, I was looking at every bridge to see where I could find a banner. Oh, really? We missed that. But apparently, fucking Vagar was on the Empire State Building. Really?

Yeah. At the top of the Empire State Building, they put a huge thing of Vegas. like a huge blowup dragon a blowup dragon i don't know if it was blow up or like whatever the fuck it was but there was an actual when you say blowup dragon all i think of is like a used car lots where they have that inflatable like i guess that's kind of what it was at that point you can't really see it that closely i guess doesn't have to be that yeah yeah so it was at the top of the empire state building we're going to need to google this yeah yeah well look it's going to be like the most watched show in the past five fucking years so was the first season so regardless

I'm excited that they're getting into the shit quickly. It's, it's been, like, I am so used to Game of Thrones where it's such a slow burn sometimes. This show has not been that for the most part. There's a couple last year, but not, or again, last year, fuck, three years ago. Yeah. But it hasn't been like that. So I just, I love the tempo of it's really good.

But we get Amon and Kristen, and they are scheming about the war. This is where I think that, where you think he just wants to be the military mind, which it could, for me, go either way. Maybe he does want to just be the military guy, or maybe he does want to be the king. And that just comes from that one line where he questions Agon's leadership. Right. So they're both scheming about things. My whole question is, and I know he's the commander, but I don't feel like Sir Kristen should have this much leverage or power in this game.

I don't understand why. I saw this scene as Sir Kristen trying to be stepdaddy. Oh. Hey, I'm begging your mom. Let me sit down and have a nice little fatherly. chat with you. If Eamon finds out he's banging his mom, he's going to kill him. Probably.

That would be fun. I'd support that. No, I'm all for that. I'm just saying, interest, so you think he's trying to weasel his way in to be like? Yeah, I think he's bonding with him. Oh. Because the two of them were very jolly going back and forth. Sir Kristen's sitting there drinking a little bit of wine.

Touched him on the arm when he left. When he walked out, he put his hand on his shoulder when Otto walked in. See, I got more in tune as the episode went on. I missed things early. I got better at the end. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot going on.

there, at least from Sir Kristen's side, on Amon's side, he is so singularly focused on how can we crush this, how can we end this? And that's, look, he's a military mind. They even said that during the small council meeting. He walks in, he is our best military mind, but he's a little impulsive. He's kind of a psycho. He's kind of a fucking psycho, and he does have the biggest dragon in the realm. So he could just take, take, uh, Vagar out and just burn villages down and burn castles down. Well, I got a question Allison's parenting. Because your kids suck. Like thereof.

Yeah. I mean, Agon and Amon. Like, no, I mean, yeah, you can question her parenting, but is she any different? She was screaming at Renera last year, an eye for an eye. That's a good point. You wanted to fluff an eye out of Luceris's head. I think you saw the mask fall, so to speak. Yeah.

And like the innocence of, I think that's also interesting that you get that juxtaposition last season of them being teenagers or younger and then them as adults. You lose that innocence as they become the adults and they are more likely to, to play the game, if you will. Play the game and honestly just act on whatever their inhibitions are. And she's talking about last year and whatever about dignity and honor and, you know, living by a code. And then this year she's banging Sir Kristen and not caring about any of that. We saw it last year where she was letting Laris just look at her feet.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's all over the fucking place now. Yeah, very hypocritical. Her and Sir Kristen. It's interesting. They deserve each other. They do, honestly. That's actually interesting.

They have very similar mindsets, temperaments. if you will, but we get auto commanding interrupts. And now that you, because this is where I got the, all right, well, Amon can control himself a bit more. If that's actually true or not, this might just be auto trying to play that role of, you know, how your brother is. You're not like that, but you know how your brother is. And I think, now that I think about it, I don't think that Amon can be controlled, but I do

think if you prop him up like that, he's easier to either manipulate or point in a certain direction, whereas Agon is simply too dumb to, like, pick up on certain things. So maybe that's what it is, especially you pit him against Agon, where it's like, look, you're the better brother. We all know that. Yeah. I think if you put them side by side in the way that Otto wants to talk to both of them, he does want it, and he knows that it's very easy to control Agon, at least for right now.

But when you go to Amund, if you talk to him the way that you talk to Agon, he's going to tell you to go fuck yourself and maybe kill you. Right. you walk into Amen and then you talk to him like an adult, a mature person, somebody who understands the military of it all, someone who understands this and that, you can keep him where he is and let him operate in his own space. And yeah, if he goes off and he just burns shit down, try to reprimand him a little bit. Good luck.

He makes him feel bad? Good luck. He doesn't care about the fact. Have you seen him with a sword? I wouldn't fuck with that guy. No, no, definitely wouldn't fuck with that guy. But yeah, I think it's, it's fun to watch the difference in the way that Otto talks to all the different kids. Yeah, it's a good one. Not that he ever actually interacts with Helena, but yeah. That's a good point. But that takes us to the climax of this episode, if you will. And we left out a quick cut earlier because I wanted to just do it all at once.

And that was Damon getting to Kings Landing via boat, and he walks up to the gate. And there is a large gentleman there who works for the King's Guard named Blood. We don't know that unless you have the subtitles on. Or did they even shout out of blood? They didn't even show Blood, no. I felt like they didn't want to tell you because I knew Blood, like, I knew Blood, cheese before I didn't know like what happened but I knew the blood and cheese was going to be a huge part of this and they I feel like the subtitles tried to hide it from you a little bit but once things

got moving you're like oh I know exactly what's about to happen and we're really going to do this the first episode oh yeah yeah game of thrones is back be you should have known as soon as damon throws on that hoodie he's about to commit some war crimes when he puts on the the Sith hoodie as I'll call it a little Star Wars shout out there he's about to fuck some stuff up yeah That's when his, it's not even his alter ego because he's just that guy always. He's always, yeah. Yeah, it's just more or less like once the hood comes down, shit pops off. Yep.

So he pays blood to get in and we meet cheese. Cheese is the rat killer from earlier. And that you do get a subtitle nod to him when Damon slams him up against the wall. It says cheese choking. Yeah. Which, it took me a second to real. I was like, what? Oh, that's, choking on cheese.

Yeah, his name is cheese. Cheese. Cheese. Didn't we lock in a dumpster once? I got out. I hope you know that movie. But he goes to cheese because he knows that he knows the ins and outs of the castle. He's also got ears in the castle.

He is one of the confidants of the white snake, Miseras from Er, Masaria from earlier. So he goes and asks him if he can do his bidding. The bidding being, but he even asked him in that moment, go kill Amon. Yep. He wanted Amon dead. So the way that this scene broke down, he's sitting there and we know what's going on. He wants, he himself, Damon, does not want to have to go in there. He wants to send two assassins to go take out Amos.

But the end of... Assassins use that word very lightly. I would say blood definitely is. Blood is basically the fucking mountain. See how big that dude is? Yeah, but when I think assassin, I think sneaky, not big, like clumsy man. That's fair. Yeah.

Lomping about. But it was important to note, of course, that Damon was Lord Commander of the Knights Guard, or rather the City Watch. so he still has connections in there. There's a lot of people that are still loyal to him. So blood comes right over and says, Commander. So you know right then and there there's a connection. So he will do whatever Damon wants to do.

And he also said, fuck the High Towers. Yep. Very important. That's how all of us feel. So. I don't know. You let it slip earlier, a little bit of an auto stand. They just agreed with Otto once.

Oh, whoa. Gross. Anyway, so sending them in, or rather before sending them in, important conversation to have. Go kill Amund. How are we going to know who it is? Silver hair, white, or one eye, you're not going to have any issues. Okay, very, very normal.

What if we can't find him, though? And then you just see Damon's face. So it's up to us, the watcher, to try to figure out what he says in that moment. You know. Kill somebody. Anyone. Take someone's son. Take somebody of importance and kill them.

And it has to be a son, a son for a son. after all, it is Father's Day. This episode aired on Father's Day. Holy shit. Uh-huh. Wow. That was plans, by the way. That had to be.

That had to be. That is a deep cut. Yeah. My God. I love this show. But they get into Magor's Tunnels, which is, I guess, the tunnels throughout the keep where all these rats are. The Towers have been referenced, actually.

They were referencing Game of Thrones as well when Circe was talking about blowing up the sept. Okay. Magor had a tunnel system running through the entire city. All of King's Landing is essentially tunnels underneath. In the event of war breaking out or a sacking of Kings Landing, he could get out and the rest of the royal family could make out. Got it.

All right. So that's a nod back to that. But they passed through the keep or the, sorry, the throne room. And Agon's in there, like drunk with his buddies. Just shooting the shit. The shit on the throne, man. Just having a time, getting a little drunk, making fun of the Magnetka. Magnanimous word.

Yep, that he didn't know what it meant and wanted to come up with something a little bit better, but he's just sitting around with his boys, his goons, if you will. But I think that that was a good portrayal of what he thinks of his role. He doesn't take this shit seriously at all. No. He just knows he's got a ton of power and wants to abuse it to better him in any way, shape, or form, whether that's having sex or drinking or doing anything not kingly. Yes.

He doesn't give a shit, is what I got from that scene. And again, this isn't a lunatic. to earlier when cheese is able to navigate the castle without anybody blinking. He walks right, like you just walked out of a wall in the throne room and he doesn't even blink with a torch

mind you. It's not like you snuck in there. There's a fucking torch and you just walked in and go straight through. Yep. Don't blink. Walk straight through past the King's Guard. Yes. And everyone's like, okay, cool, it's the rat guys. Aside from one person missing from the King's Guard, who's very important. But yeah, no. Yeah. We'll get to that.

We will get there. But as they go through, they get to, was that the same trapdoor as Renara's room? Was that Renara's room? Because remember last season when... Oh, yeah, it definitely was. So he goes through the same, like, trapped door in there, and they walk in, and he makes it known, like, we're not supposed to be up here. This is where the royals are, whatever. They start jaunting about looking for...

Blood's very important point. Yeah, that's why we're fucking here. We're here to kill a royal. Where do you think the royals are going to be? Probably on this floor. Now, as they're traversing about, I thought that one of them was going to get whacked. I didn't think they were going to make it. But they get to Helena, and that's when we get this big moment of the two kids are asleep, the twins.

One's a boy, one's a girl. She points at the boy, allegedly. Now, do you think, and obviously what there happens afterwards is they kill the boy? Yes. Do you think that was the boy? A thousand percent. You don't think that anyway is the girl. Again, when it comes to Helena, she is in and out of this, whatever dream phase that she has, where she has visions, she doesn't know what reality is, what's going on.

And I think another thing that's important here, and I don't know if this will ever come up, but this is just something that I thought, the conversation that she had with Agon in the beginning of the episode, what if he doesn't want to be king? Maybe she's saving him from doing that. Now, it's important to point out because I know there's a lot of book readers out there that are going to. going to say, well, it's completely different than the books. The show is completely different from the books. And it's important, again, to note, the books are written by Maesters. That's how they're written. We saw that in Game of Thrones that Sam was writing a song of ice and fire, which is the

whole thing. And he even said that he left out Tyrion. So Tyrion's not even in the entire book, even though he had a huge important role to play the entire time of Game of Thrones. He's not in that book. So when it's written by Maesters, things are exaggerated. There's a lot of things that need to be filled in. You don't know exactly what happened.

but in the books she says take my life before the kids and that's not an option and there's a lot more that goes on there it's a lot darker because it's georgia martin and he makes things a lot darker but helena stays the entire time in the books and watches everything happen yeah and this she obviously takes her daughter probably her daughter and bounces from the room and they killed the boy jehara's a fucking unsettling and that's the other thing all the people online are clamoring for more you are one Want more? No, I heard it. That sound enough was enough. The sawing, like, I'm good. I'm good with that. I mean, look, it's Game of Thrones. I know we're getting into.

I'm not saying, like, what the hell? I just, yeah, I didn't need to see more. No. I thought that was plenty. But, yeah, in my mind, I'm trying to figure out. I think that's interesting you said that, whereas maybe doesn't want to be king, is she saving him from becoming king? I think there might be something there.

Or, if she's having these weird visions where she's unsure if they're reality or in her own head or is it a thing where it's like I've had this vision this is how it plays out there he could be that honestly it could honestly be her on autopilot at that point I already know what's going to happen and I saw this so here like that's that or you know the alternative offer was either you pick or I kill all of you yeah so oh man I don't know but she runs out with her daughter and runs into Allison's room who is currently banging sir Kristen hop it on his high tower yep hop it on the high tower tower as we like to say around but that's the end of the episode did i miss anything no and a lot of

questions remain obviously that we'll get answered next week and that's the one thing about thrones shows and house of the dragon is there's always going to be speculation one way or another and my big question for you as we come to the end of episode one we obviously know what the teams are aligning to be they will shift this is similar to our bravo shows they will shift people will fall on different sides of the street eventually people will get exiled or attempted to be killed and they'll go to the other team but as of right now i'm not going to ask you what team you're on because i think we're both on team rinera but who do you think has the upper hand as of right now as of right now the green team has the upper hand okay as they have the king they have

Kings Landing. By the way, it's green versus black in the teams. Yes. They have Vagar. They have really all of the coin that they need. They have the alliances, at least close by. Now, obviously, there's going to be an all-out war. Anytime rebellion happens, things are going to change.

But right now, I would still say the green team still has the upper hand. It's coming, it will come down to Heron Hall, which is in the Riverlands. Like, that is, they both said the same thing earlier in the episode. Amen says it, and then Damon says it. We need to get our toe hold in the riverlands at Heron Hall.

So it's all going to come down to Heron Hall, which I think and hope and pray. It's a fucking massive dragon fight. And then you get both armies attacking each other to try to capture Heron Hall. But that's what I see happening is a big badass dragon fight. Hopefully Vagar falls. I don't like Beghar. I don't know why. That old bitch.

I like most dragons. Even on bad teams, I don't like Begar. I just love when David said we can take down that old bitch. Yeah, so ho-hum about it. No, and I think, look, there's going to be more dragons introduced because we did get to see last year. Damon was going into the crypts underneath of Dragonstone, singing songs to other dragons, trying to bring them in.

There's another dragon floating out there called the Cannibal Dragon. Love that. It's just a dragon that eats other dragons. So that works really well for going against Vagar. Yeah, but we also saw him going down there and, like, cracking open those ash piles and pulling eggs out as well. So there's a bunch more that are going to be, coming out at some point over this I think it's a long war but again it's it's not that long

of a story when it comes down to it so it doesn't matter because it's like again the time jumps from episode the episode that we're used to right be anywhere from like months to years yeah so I don't think that the length of the story has to matter so much I'm curious how many dragons I want all the fucking dragons oh absolutely I just I just love this show so much and the fact that we get to sit and talk about it too because we get to watch it on a different level and I always did watch Game of Thrones and last year

House of the Dragon or two years ago in the same way I pay attention all the details and stuff but this makes it a lot more fun to the point where I'm even thinking when Rax's wing is found those people are probably petrified a dead dragon means holy shit what the

fuck's going on here they don't know what's going on. Then a dragon comes out of nowhere and a dragon comes out of nowhere and they're like what is actually going on. So it's going to be really interesting to see. They always do such a good job with this. And look, I mean, we can talk about the butchering of the end of the... No, no.

No, we're not going to. We're going to talk about how great this show is. So many more to come here. I think there's eight episodes. Oh, that's it? Yeah. There's 10 in the first season. All right.

There's eight. They better be long as shit. Yeah, they're going to be long. They made us wait for two god. Three, I thought it was three years. Two years. Are you sure? Yeah.

Regardless is too long to wait for this show. I know it was two years because we were talking. about it before we would get into Bravo stuff. Oh, you're right. That's a good point. And look at us now. We get to talk about it. Hell yeah, brother.

Well, we have questions, which is awesome, which means you guys are watching this show too, which if you're not watching this show and listening to this episode, do yourselves. It is worth the max subscription. I promise you that. Free plug for Max, I guess, but. Why not? Let's get some questions. All right.

First up here from Nicky Mano 23, do you think they got the boy or the girl? Like, did Helena lie or tell the truth? We both. I think it's the boy. Yeah, we both think it's the boy. I think, because here's the thing, if it's not Game of Thrones writers and House of Dragons writers, like they tend to be a little more thoughtful than that. Yes.

If they're going to throw a curveball in there, that wouldn't be very clever. But I don't know. I don't know. And there could be something to be said about the fact that she's, like, stared into her eyes and was like, no, she's telling the truth. Maybe that'll come back in some fashion. But no, I think that that would be kind of, that's too easy. It would definitely be too easy. A couple of questions here from Darya, Zoe, and Rachel asking if we've read the books.

We have not, I said at the beginning of the episode, there's some things out there that I have read deeper into and spoiled things for myself. Thanks to me. Yeah. What are you trying to blame that on? I don't know. I just, I get crazy. with this and the whole thing with Game of Thrones was I used to read

fan theories and all the different theories out there week to week to try to get as much content as possible and there is no book to go off of so we didn't know the answers to those things I started doing that again last year or two years ago with House of the Dragon and I ruined a couple of things so I will not I won't do that plus the show's different than the books and I don't want

to spoil anything for myself I like watching just to see what's going to happen I don't want spoilers But something we didn't talk about, which, yes, the answer to this is yes. From this is Rachel Rose, were you more horrified with the kicking of the dog than the child killing? Oh, I wrote down in my book, he's going to die because he kicked a dog. Yeah. Yeah, it's up there.

Honestly, it's up there, which is a... I was pissed off about that, and the child killing, it's Game of Thrones. It's Game of Thrones. That's expected animal abuse was not ready for other than dragon on dragon violence. So yeah, fuck geez. From K. Higgs, 23, how many characters can you each name without notes? I can probably name them all. I could name not as many as you, but I could definitely name them.

I could go into dragons, too, if you want to do this. No, I see the dragons, I will get wrong. I'll get close as we found out, Syrexas. Yeah, no, I've gone deep on this. I actually have, like, family trees of dragons in my head right now. That's fine. I like that. I appreciate the-Shout-K. Higgs, yes, I can.

Yeah, I can name the characters. I would probably fall apart of the dragons. I would get so close that you would know what dragon I was referencing, but I would pronounce it wrong. From Megan Lee Carlson. Is it me or is the death of babies slash children season one and now two a little much? Look, it's Game of Thrones. It's going to be shock and all,

and that's the way to get people talking and freaking out about things. Yeah, we've been seeing astounding things from this. Like every time you think they can't get grosser or more grotesque or something that's going to, like, shock you, they go a step beyond. So nothing surprises me is it... We watched Stannis burn his daughter at the stake. Yeah, like... You know what I mean?

So, no, I don't think anything is off limits, and I think that if you're going to watch this show, you just got to... You got to be ready for some shocking shit. Gotta do it. And one last thing here from Tish Almanza. No question, just so happy you guys are going to recap. Me too, but there was one question from somebody I saw

that we didn't get to that I want you to read it was like what and make sure you give her shout out what housewives franchise would oh i was saving that one uh from erika marty what housewives franchise would alison be in i think beverly hills oh see oh that's not bad oh that's actually not bad i think beverly hills just because there's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff happening that one I think oh you know what fuck that jersey jersey jersey because she's got laris out there that's her content creator oh there you go okay good should call that's my vote all right well that's the it that's it for questions yeah that's it for episode one of hot to and god i'm so glad we get to review this show i love it if you are listening still and are not watching this show

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