Bros & Shows - BravBros are BACK: Traitors Preview, RHORI Update, Stranger Things... (News 1/07/26)

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

What is up BROS?! Man it feels good to be back to the BravBros. In this BravBro Down we discuss all the new shows coming to Bravo as qwell as a Traitors preview. We also had to break down Stranger Things and the rumors surrounding a secret episode. All that and more, and just a reminder, we will still be covering shows from ALL NETWORKS. BravBros doesnt mean Bravo only, so dont worry. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We'll take it in because this is our last day of not having anything to watch or talk about. I know usually we get frustrated, but let's take some time. We're going to recap some news and stuff like that, but let's enjoy our last day before the craziness of this docket of shows comes up. What do you say? Yeah, we're going to be a couple of busy brawpros. That's right. God, I feel so much better. Wow, what a reception we got.

That's the best part. We'll save it. Hold on. Cue the intro. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine.

Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. I'm a co-hostile Russell, joined as always by the one and only Brav Guder Bros. shooter. I reversed it, but that's okay. What's up, dude? We're on the upswing right now. I don't know

if you notice this, but it was lighter out when I got done work today. I know. It's a magical, magical thing, even though it's cold out, but I'll get over that. Yeah, December 21st always hits and you forget that, because that day is so dark, so fast. And then we start to slowly get some life back, some light back, all of those good things. But back to what we were talking about in the soft intro, cold intro, cold opening, whatever you want to call it, I figured that people would be stoked that we went back to our original name. It was very nice to read your comments. So thank you for your support. I'm glad you guys are on board. We've legit been talking about this probably 10 days after we did the name change. I think I texted you like, did we do

something stupid? Yeah, I think we both kind of had a feeling even while we were doing the name change. Before it had even gone through, we kind of regretted it, but wheels were already turning. We tried to convince ourselves it was the right move. You can't blame us for trying. Well, I want to nitpick a little bit, though. Some of the comments said, I now can unmute you guys. What the fuck? Because of the name?

No, that was Mr. Williams. That was Tell. So that I'm friends with him. Okay. And that's Mr. Williams pre-K on, you guys have probably seen him on TikTok and Instagram. He's got like a million followers. But that's what I thought. So I messaged him and I was like, thanks for unmuting us, dude.

And he was like, what are he talking about? I was like, you said that you muted us. And he's like, no, no. I was just saying like, oh, my stories are back on. Like, not our actual stories, like stories in the way that you would call a TV show that you're watching. Like, oh, my stories are on tonight. That's what he was saying. I also do think that some people genuinely thought, like, oh, cool, these guys are covering Bravo again.

We can talk about them again. There was a few things there. I think people also, because amidst the craziness of last year, we didn't have a lot of time to make our reels and our TikToks like we normally do. We're getting back on that train this year, especially now that we're the Brof Bros again. But it felt like a lot of people that maybe only follow us on social media and don't listen to the podcast. We're like, oh, great, these guys are back.

Yeah. That would be really funny, though, if we saw a huge spike in our listeners. We release an episode, it's like 15,000 in like a minute. We're like, what the fuck happened here? Brof Bros are back. Power of the bros. I still got to change the logo. I forget that stuff was so annoying to do where you change the album art for YouTube,

Apple Podcasts, obviously, Spotify, like all that shit. So I still have to do all that, which I will do. Normally that would be something that I would say, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. No, I don't. I'm going to do that tonight. So it'll be all braf bros from here on out, bros and shows. If you have any Bros.

And show's merch, you don't because you didn't make any because it's not catchy. I think that was the biggest thing for me. I think that's what bummed me out with the name change, trying to convince ourselves it was the right move, was just we wanted to branch out. And a lot of you guys, to your credit, were like, you don't have to change your name to branch out. Like, yeah, we know, but we don't want to confuse people, whatever.

I think that is what it took for me the most. Well, it's ironic because we actually did confuse people. I know. Who knew? Not us, clearly. I had no idea. But I think I felt like I lost a little part of me when we were no longer the brav bros.

Because I like when we go places and, like, either at a live show or, you know, at a Philly's game, we get recognized a lot. People are like, yo, brav bro, that feels good. And they still did that, but knowing that we weren't brav bros. Yeah. Imposter's identity. Yeah. Yeah, at imposter syndrome. Yeah, that's pretty much where we were.

I also had the recurring nightmare, if you will, that we run into Andy Cohen or something, and he calls us Brab Bros. And we're like, actually. Actually, bros and shows. And then he tells us to go fuck ourselves. You know my biggest issue where it was? like looking back now way too many dudes have podcasts now

and way too many of them are misogynistic just fucking losers that shouldn't have podcast equipment are we doing the gym guy thing again kind of but just a little softer it's more like when bros and shows when people see that I don't ever want to be

associated with the red pill people like I don't want to I a big part of our podcast is trying to break that stigma that bros are all douchebags yeah so it felt like that lumped us in with them like if people don't know it's like bros and shows like why the fuck am i gonna watch two bros you know what it's actually really funny too is i saw a tic talk today where there was a podcast i don't know if you know anything about heated rivalry we need to watch it apparently everyone's telling us from what i've heard the one guy is a phenomenal actor yeah uh dev said that everyone's talking about it it's in our comments and i why not we'll throw it in there i think the finale's this week maybe so maybe we'll just do like a special catch-up episode and just throw it out there i may be leaving for two weeks to go to California so you might be getting some some we're going to get some weird shit going on so that might be one of them that let's just chalk that one in there that's easy

why not there you go very simple one to do um but i saw a podcast of two straight dudes who usually just cover hockey and the hockey news they decided to do that show and people are loving it's great like that's awesome that's what we want to see that we were the foundation they did that because of us yeah we take credit for that we absolutely do and we should that's our that's our thing yeah We're welcome to our space. Yes, we're proud. Yeah. Very.

We're pioneers. We are Neil Armstrong. We are Neil Armstrong. Yeah. We're sure we're not Buzz Aldrin. I guess they're Buzz Aldrin. They're number two. Although, did Neil Armstrong actually go to the moon?

Don't do this. Don't please do. Did he? Yes, he did. It's ludicrous that people think, no, don't. You're on a moon rock? You're like, where this come from? Brother, I don't want to do this.

I get frustrated by the fact that so many people now are scientists. We could actually talk for two to three hours probably just about the Stranger Things conspiracy theories. Let's talk about it a little bit. I'm going to do some Bravo news and stuff too. This is more just like... There is no problem. That's my biggest problem is I texted you at like four and I'm like, yeah, there's nothing going on. Nobody's doing anything. It's the holidays.

We covered the holidays last week because we needed to fill an episode. usually what we do is we drop a news episode and then all the news starts to come out we dropped the news episode and then it was just crickets there's just nothing going on all the shows are coming back

people are getting invested back into the shows that's great but there's no news so we decided let's just do a little free form and just fucking talk we're just gonna chit chat and I feel like it's a good way to ring in the new year like this

it's also a chance for us to talk about the brav bro switch and fuck it stranger things because if you're not watching it I don't know what you're doing that dev shots fired uh but she did ask me today she was like can you like give me a quick recap because she saw she saw the scene uh that's been going around on socials of them doing

the final table read when will the thrill gets to get powers and all that and you know i'm not to spoil it i don't know is there a way to not spoil what's going on there's a table read if you haven't seen it, where a big part of the show, a very big event in the show takes place. And it was the mid-season, not trailer, mid-season finale. And it was a very emotional scene. It's been building for five seasons, arguably, and you get this big reveal. I won't reveal what it is. I don't want to spoil the show for you. But it was, like, I teared up at home. I was like, fuck, yeah, this is awesome. And it's a great cherry on top to his character arc. But she saw that. She's like, can you just like, give me a quick run.

through of why that was so emotional. I was like, I don't have time. Yeah. There's so much lore. There's so much to talk about. That's wrong to begin with anybody because you're not the person to ask to do that. I feel like it's impossible for you because you're so invested in Stranger Things. To give a quick synopsis. Yeah. You would never be able to do that for something that you really enjoy. But also, there's just too much going on. There's so much lore. There's so many things. But if you're not caught up to speed with what's currently going on, which may not even happen. And the funny thing is, by the time this even comes out, we might have confirmation or we might not have confirmation, who the fuck knows. But supposedly there could be a secret

episode, alluding to the fact that the last episode, the finale, was all fake, it was all a dream, there's a conspiracy that there's a secret episode coming out. And there's all these hidden things in the TikToks that are being posted, all the social media stuff that's being posted. Now people are going back and rewatching the entire season to see if they can catch things. And they are catching things, and there's a lot of weird coincidences, and one of the big things about this show is, I don't believe in coincidences. And if they're really trying to hammer that home, it could be really cool. And I said this before, if they were able to just kind of fly under the radar and actually have a secret episode, just in the grand scheme of things, that's impressive

as it. Extremely. That Netflix didn't immediately jump in and say, well, we have to market this. Or leak it. Yeah, like nobody was able to leak it. So if they were able to get through even just the week in between the finale and tomorrow, and release anything. It could be dumpster fire after dumpster fire of bullshit. It would still be impressive. I agree. And I, if you have watched this show for a while, and just to paint a picture for you guys of my obsession with this show, I have watched from season one through season four six times.

And I am on my third run through of season five. and I'm going to continue to. It's my go-to, like, feel-good show, but I actually pay attention because there's so much you can dig into. And that's where I'm putting a lot of faith in the Duffer Brothers, who are the creators of this show.

This would be a very Duffer Brother move to have a secret episode. They love Easter eggs. Usually, if there's something in the show, there's more meaning to it. If you see a little thing in the background, that's the great thing about Stranger Things, is if you're watching it,

you have to watch twice because you have to watch the background half the time because you can pick up on little clues. and little notes and little hints. So, funny enough, actually, Mr. Williams, the dude that commented muted stories or whatever, he made a post today comparing Swift's and all the Easter eggs that Taylor Swift does

to that of Stranger Things. He's like, guys, I hate to break it to you, but you're taking too deep. I commented on there. I said, don't take this away from me. You can't take this away. Let us live in this delusion for at least 24 more hours because what if we're right?

What if this is real? And then they drop, why are you dropping? Yeah, that's the thing. That's on the ninth, I think. They're dropping that. The documentary is the rumored episode number nine. Yeah, which is, I mean, it's going to be cool. It's like a fun thing to watch, but like you don't have to watch it a bunch of times.

It's not going to add to the lore. It could just be maybe, maybe it's just the play, but in like, production format. No. Because no one was able to see the fucking play, but that's actually crucial. That whole thing drove me in saying. That one, that's the only, like, whiff that they had was that the play plays into the entire storyline, but you don't get to see the play. Yeah. That's really frustrating.

I would imagine they'll Hamilton that one at some point and put it on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, I think that makes the most sense. But either way, whatever they're doing, it's working, I hope that they're not just leaning into it just to drive people crazy because they see all the conspiracies online. That's what I was about to bring up the post that you, I haven't seen the post, but Mr. Clark and 107 behind. Tim what that's it's just hard because they would do that too they would see this going on and like fuck it let's lean into it yeah and they're but for no reason right just to drive us crazy yes yeah so that would be really frustrating but we don't know I don't know at the end of the day we have no idea I just want one more yeah just one more just one more and to those

people out there like this season suck you suck all right it's a lot to tie together I think David Brown ruined it for everybody I do too I really did because that That was actually bad. Just objectively, that was stupid. They ran through that very quickly. Everybody knows why. But I think that because it became popular to be like, this sucks, and it was a great show, and now it sucks.

And it's kind of funny that it sucks. And now we can all hate on it together. Everybody does that for every show ever. Every time that a show is about to end, it's like, well, this sucks. I think the Sopranos actually started that. Sopranos probably did, yeah. Because that was the first one. That in Seinfeld were the two big ones where it's like,

what the fuck is this in the finale? and then Game of Thrones, objectively, is the worst finale ever. Yeah, that was just bad. But this is not the same thing. And, like, you got to give a little grace. It's, like, a lot of storylines, a lot of shit to wrap up, and they did it in eight episodes, and they did it justice. That's all I'm looking for. Do it justice.

Yeah. Keep the tone the same. To be honest, in the grand, like, the way that shows play out anyway, the last season is never going to be the best season. No. It's never going to be the best season. The first or somewhere in the middle is always going to be the best season of a show. You're not supposed to expect the best thing. ever for the end because no one can end

to anything well anymore. They can to some people. That's the thing. We all have these predispositions of what we want to happen in the finale and then we find people online that share those same thoughts and then we get all hyped up about this thing that, oh,

it's going to do this, it's going to do that, it's going to do this. It doesn't. And you're like, oh, it fell flat. It didn't fall flat. It's just, it's the last season of a show that you've loved. So you're also expecting it to be like season one or season four, which was phenomenal. it's not going to hit the same you just got to take it for like a last trip down nostalgia lane especially in this show because there's so many callbacks there was the warriors callback when they're all dressed up in the in their gear at the end which i fucking love like they're the miami vice shit with hopper like there's there's so many good unacknowledged references and that's part of why the show is so great because you can watch it and it feels like you're watching eight shows from 1980 to 1990 yeah or movies so give me just give me one more just one more just one more is all we ask if bravo drama pop culture chaos and honest

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This is Mick Unplug, the voice and face of modern leadership entrepreneur and self-improvement. Let's get started. But we'll move on, yeah, from... I don't even know what to call it from... We'll just move into the reality realm. Okay. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we have to talk about this.

Let's just talk about what shows we're actually excited to watch. There's a lot going on. Like we said before, there are a lot of shows coming out, and we're going to cover a lot of them. We're not excited about all of them. We don't really know. There's a couple of question marks out there. There's new shows. I'm pretty excited for most of them.

I will say that. I can tell you right now, I'm very excited for traders again. That's what I'm doing right now. a stellar cast. That's going to be incredible. We've got three episodes dropping on Thursday on Peacock. I'm personally pissed off and offended that we didn't get the screeners. We got them two years in a row.

One year we didn't even do traders yet. We had the screeners. And then last year we got the screeners. And now this year, when we're fully invested, we get nothing. All that tells me is Durinda got sent home in the first episode again, and they want to keep that a secret. That would be really fucking funny. Which I think is really fucking funny if that were to happen. So, yeah, Traders comes back.

this week, that's going to be incredible. But there's so many other Bravo shows. There's, you know, different reality shows that are going to be coming out. You know, Love is Blind is going to get slated again. That was a very fun show to cover. They're not quite at the Philadelphia part yet, but I think they're filming the Philadelphia one or they already filmed it. There's no way they already filmed it because we would have heard about that, I would think. I don't know, though, because we did hear about the casting back in August.

Where do you think the one? And then they were supposed to start, I think, in October. Where do you think they're going to put the main love is blind setup? The set. KOP? Yeah. Isn't that where the Netflix house is? Oh.

I feel like that was kind of... I thought they would lean more into downtown. They're fucking 45 minutes outside of the city. I know Netflix has a ton of money, but the idea that they can rent a whole block of rooms and then apartments afterwards seems like a lot for downtown. I don't think they did that for Denver either. Give me out.

I think they did it. outside of Denver. Conchie has a lot of apartments. Well, Conchie, you know, KOP, those places, sure. I'm saying, could it be Conchie? Oh, it could be Conchie for sure. That would make sense. Limit meeting, places like that, uneventful places. Because it's not really about what you're doing. It's more about, you know, the fact that you're together, I guess. Kensington. Kensington, yeah, right next to our billboard. Well, I want to talk traders. Just for a brief moment, I want to talk about who you think's going to show up this season. Because we know we got Michael Rappaport,

in, which I am not thrilled about. Candice Dillard Bassett's making her return to reality TV. She'll be great. Stanberry's coming back. Mama Kelsey, obviously. Derinda gets a redo from last season. Ren is coming back. Who are you most excited to see? And who do you think is, who's like your big, your big traitor? Johnny Weir. Johnny Weir? Yeah. I think Johnny Weir is going to be. Oh, the figure skater. Yeah. I don't know why he popped into my brain, but I think he's going to be a great trader. Interesting. Who do you think the traders are going to be? I can see Candace potentially being one or Stanberry.

Toss up between those two. I'm kind of leaning towards Candice over Stanberry. I do think Stanberry would be a great trader. Yeah, especially with the accent. Yeah, with the accent that definitely helps. Definitely not Mama Kelsey, definitely not Dorinda, because that would be too easy to know. See, I think they're going to do Dorinda to make sure the same thing doesn't happen that happened last she could be the first traitor out though she could be but that at least gets her an extra episode now she's on for two instead of one that would be really funny um no i i don't really know i just hope that they leave uh rabaport out to cold like just out in the cold he looks like he's been left out in the cold for like yeah 40 years yeah he's disgusting i hate that fucking guy yeah that guy sucks

there's people we shouldn't have made famous he's one of them yeah what a garbage bag even looks like a garbage bag so i hope that even ruins like a really good movie too i know No, he pops up. I'm like, fuck, why is he in this? Well, no, no, I was thinking of a specific movie. Oh, specific? Yeah. Hold on.

Let me do it. Celtic pride. I think it's what it's called. I haven't seen that one all the thing. Were they kidnapped Marlon Wayans? Celtic pride or Celtic pride? Celtic, because they play for the Celtics. Oh, interesting.

They kidnap the basketball player because they don't want them to have a good game and they want the Celtics to lose for gambling reasons. Oh, I haven't seen that one. You haven't seen that one? It's really good. I'll check that one out. Really good. But yeah, so I don't really know specifically because there's...

Fallout. Sorry. He ruined that whole scene in fallout for me. Was he in fallout? He's in fallout. He is the, he's in the brotherhood. Oh, yeah, he is. Yeah.

And the apprentice is who, like, the guy that's now. Maximus, yeah, who I love. Luckily, Rappaport gets mauled by a bear and dies. Yeah, which is what it should happen. Yeah, that's absolutely what should happen in real life. Is that Yuguay, I believe, is what they're called? Uh-huh. Fux him up.

Hell yeah. That second season is pretty good, too. I'm not watching it until there's five episodes out. drive me up a wall with this shit because there are so many shows that I know you watch and I watch and I don't have anybody to talk to about it and I'll find one or two people in my circle that may have watched it and I'll just like talk to them about it. We have the same taste in shows. Correct. So I'll reach out to you and you'll be like, yeah, yeah, I don't know how many, five episodes out yet. No, I'm not going to watch it. Or this one, this one really fucking pisses me off.

If a show, much like Stranger Things, even though you watch this, if it's like a two-hour finale for a season, you'll save 40 minutes at the end or an hour at the end. And you're like, I'm going to save him and watch it because the next installment's coming out in a couple of weeks and I just want to like bide my time. I don't know how you do it. That also drives me crazy. But also, I want to talk to you about it. And you're like, don't talk to me about it.

You get mad at me because I'm quote unquote spoiling when I'm just trying to just trying to share some friendship. I get that part of it. But, you know, there's times that it's kind of nuts. but I will save. Shrinking. That was the one. Oh, shrinking was phenomenal.

That one fucking drew. That in Severance drove me up a wall. Severn's took me a while to get to the end. It was like five weeks later and you're like, yeah, I finished it. I had a fucking newborn. That's not why you didn't watch it. I know. It's all lame, Scotty. But like, I will genuinely, if I really, really love a show, I will stop 30 minutes before it ends of the season finale.

And I will wait a year. a year until the next season's out so that I can watch the finale and go right into the next season. You've, like, somehow created a new disorder. Yeah. Like, they need to write books about you. It's good, though, because then, like, I'm constantly like, ooh, I wonder what happened. And I try to avoid spoilers for fucking 10 months. It's hard.

It's like, massacism, though, too, because then you're avoiding spoilers and you're like, what happens? Oh, yeah. I don't know. It's just what I... Like, doing weird shit in public. Like, am I going to get caught? I don't know.

It's my fetish. Spoiler averted. We usually don't kinkshame, but I'm going to kink shame this one. Hey, look, what do you want me to do? It's how I watch shows. The good thing is, at least for the shows that I know we're covering, you have to watch them. So even if it's a really good show, because I could see you really getting into Love Island. And if we weren't covering it, you'd be like, I could just kind of skip through and just watch this and that.

And like, I really want to see what happens with these two. But I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait until Saturday to watch it. And I'll be on there on, like, Wednesday night, like, all right, I'm all caught up. Let's go see what. Steele thinks about this and you're like, I am five episodes behind because I'm saving it for the weekend. That one I wouldn't do, even if it was a different scenario, only because if you get two or

three behind, it is a one episode behind your phone. Yeah, it's a slog through to get back on track. That happened to us last year. I think one of us had a trip or something and it was like, the recovery was. Oh, we were both down the shore at the same time. And we're like, do we record? Like, I don't know. I'm going to the beach with my family.

What do we do? Can we even watch this? I remember I actually turned an episode of Love Island on at my beach house with my parents around and had to immediately turn off. Yeah. It was like when I was in the airplane. They weren't supposed to be there. They came back.

They were like, yeah, yeah, the beach. It's way too windy today. We came home. So you get caught watching porn. Pretty much got caught watching soft porn on their TV. And it's like, well, what the hell happened here? Why are they eating whipped cream off of each other in a pool? It's an event.

It's like trying to watch it on a plane. That's what I was doing. Yeah. And that was the, that was when they were doing the lumberjack one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was, like, asses everywhere and whipped cream and then the makeout booth at the end. Like both hands over your phone.

I went, I had it, which probably made it worse. It's like I stuck it in between my legs. Like Todd. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, toning it on the plane. Yeah, exactly. It was a bad look. And I apologize to whoever was sitting near me, but we have to watch these shows for you guys.

As funny as it is, it is at least an easy one to explain away. Like, if somebody did catch you watching it on a plane. It's like, I have to. It's my job. Oh, yeah. that would work. It could work. Because if people then recognize you, they're like, no, that actually is his job.

That's what Todd said. This is my job. Yeah, that's my job. It's my job. Was he running rings in New York? Yeah. God. Oh, boy.

Oh, boy. I don't know. Allegedly. Yeah. Who the hell does with that one? But yeah, so Traders is going to be awesome. The only other real show that I think I'm like genuinely excited for is Southern hospitality. So I'm very excited for.

I think that's going to be really good. I'm curious about Rhode Island. Oh, right. I'm not like, I would actually, no, I think I am excited for it because it has the pieces to be good. You know, like, I like the area that they're in. It's obviously a very wealthy area that they're in. I like that we have the Dolores lead-in to it. I don't know if I like that, though.

I just got to like it. You have to, yeah. You got to like it because we need it to go well. They need to hit a home run with a new housewife show. They really do, sorely. We haven't had a good one. since Salt Lake premiered, honestly. Like, when's the last time we've had in it?

Because New York was the one. Dubai got good, and then they canceled it. Because nobody was watching still. Well, people started, that was the other thing. People started it. Bravo also drives me crazy with this. They can see, and we can see that the ratings are getting better. More people are talking about it on social media.

And then they can it. I guess Dubai might be a little different, though, because it may have been too much red tape for filming and then also really expensive for production costs. I would imagine that's not easy to fill in there. Simply that, and it's probably easier. Like, Dubai's not extraordinarily expensive. I just mean travel. Yeah.

Unless they're finding, maybe they had a hard time finding a production company that they can consistently go to over there rather than sending their production company over there because that would be a nightmare too. So there could be more there. I don't know if that's a good example, but you're right. I mean, Salt Lake City was the last one that premiered and stuck. Yeah. And they need to be able to show the audience that they can still make a relevant housewife's

product. because the current shows that we're watching, the current franchises were watching, a lot of them have had a lot of speed bumps along the way. They've done a decent job at trying some new things on how to revamp these shows, such as OC, which I appreciate that they're trying to do new things, such as revamping OC with new people that we already know coming back,

didn't really work. I still think that show's trash. But they're trying shit. And I can appreciate that part of it. It's just, you know, with Atlanta. And I don't know if that would have. worked if Kenya didn't do what Kenya did, but we have yet to see a new product in the housewife sphere that has worked, that people are jazzed up to watch because Dubai was the last

real attempt and New York was the last real attempt to reboot that didn't work. So I think a lot hinges for the housewives as a whole on the success or failure of Rhode Island. Yeah, and I think they have enough other products that they're kind of throwing out there and they're doing well with the other products that aren't housewife-centric, where they can afford, and I don't even know if they realize this, but they can afford to put other franchises on pause. They're never going to put OC or Beverly Hills on pause.

They're just cash cows. People watch them regardless, even though they don't like the product, a lot of people out there still like it for whatever reason, and they're still going to tune in, and the ratings are going to be sky high no matter what. So you can never pause anything like that. But if Atlanta got bad, I could see them pausing that.

If Potomac went to the wayside, they could pause that. If Salt Lake eventually gets to a bad place because these women just kind of grow apart or whatever might happen, they could pause that. The little, I don't want to call them little franchises, but the smaller ones that are in the shadow of those big franchises,

they're going to have to pause them if that goes wayward. But they, I think right now, they're stuck with Jersey and New York where they don't know what to do and they're completely screwed. And those are two massive franchises that they know they could turn the back on,

and people will watch. They fuck themselves with New York. They should have probably just took a couple pieces out of the OG crew and left enough familiar faces there where it still kind of worked because you'd still have a huge contingency of people that are going to watch for Derinda. You get Bethany back somehow.

People are going to watch for Bethany. Same with Jersey. If you keep Teresa or Melissa, you're still going to have a good amount of people that are going to watch it. But for whatever reason, they just decided fuck it. Let's just pause it and figure it out. So they're taking a risk there.

I just don't know what they do with the whole franchise of, I guess, the whole franchise of housewives, at this point, if you have enough failing. Yeah, I think that they had some false confidence with the New York thing. I think that was a wake-up call for Bravo because I think in their mind, they're like, you know what, we're going to show this original cast that we don't need them. Yeah. We're going to show them that if they're not going to fall in line, we can get five other people to replace you.

And I think that they were flying high. Like, watch this. We're about to reboot the show. It's going to be great. they tried and it failed miserably and i think that that sent them spiraling because we had that one year when the new york i think new york season two there was a lot of bad bravo yeah a lot of bad shows and it was like i think we were sitting here like fuck this is not looking good for us because we cover these shows they have definitely rebounded i think the non housewife shows are

doing really well they just need to figure out what the formula is to bring housewives into this generation and they've yet to find it. Rhode Island, to me, is a chance to make that connection because it's a younger cast. It's a very rich cast. It's people that we hopefully can relate to at least a little bit

as far as the generational gap goes. And maybe we're going to see some, like, legit wealth again, and that's going to draw people in because that's what the root of this show is. And for some reason, we've gotten away from that. And I know, for a fact, there's a lot of rich, crazy people out there

that will do these shows. shows. Yeah. Well, the other thing is, and I don't know how this even happens, maybe this was the plan from the start, but apparently London was really good, but it was on Hiyu. Yeah, we can't see it. How the fuck did Bravo not get the rights to that? Or, again, was that the plan to put it on Huyu over there, see how it does, see if enough

people in the States are actually getting the subscription to that to go watch it or getting a VPN so that they can go watch it, and then eventually see what the, I guess, response is from the crowd of the people that are going to watch it over here. then they can pick it up on Bravo. Again, that's where it gets into the weird details of, is it worth it for them to, is it cost effective to do that? For something like, yeah, it's very cost effective to throw it on Peacock. Then we can all watch it, and we did that with Miami.

When the Miami reboot came back, and it was still pretty much the same cast, but you had a couple of newbies, they put it on Peacock right away. It was great. And it was awesome. And they could see right away, holy shit, this is great.

The very next season, it got a slot on Wednesday nights. So they can do things like that, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do that with London, just based on what I've seen people talking about London, it was exactly what we want. It's rich people, and they weren't afraid to get down and dirty. That's all you need. I agree.

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But the only question mark there for me is we have ladies of London coming back. Right. So what's the crossover there is that the reason that they got Housewives and we got Ladies of London? Are they going to merge this into a bigger show if they're, both successful. I don't know what their next step is. I don't understand why you would only put Real Housewives of London on Hsu. Yeah. Unless you're, hey, you, or whatever the fuck it's called, unless you are testing it? Because are there other exclusive shows over there like that?

Is that a, I thought it was a rhetorical question. It's kind of both. I don't know if you know. I have no idea. Because like that's where it gets confusing. And I think there is. Like, I mean, obviously London, England, UK, whatever. They have different television programming. I know that. Yeah, no, no. But they also have a lot of very similar reality TV shows. Right.

And they also were the ones who started Love Island. Right. Love Island, UK was the first one. There's also Love Island, France, Spain, Australia, South Africa. So there's a bunch of different ones like that. So they do have shows that are just like it. I think it's more so how is Bravo going to get a hand on that? how are they going to be able to pull that

and then have the TV rights for the United States? It makes the most sense to me that you go Peacock to Bravo and then I don't see why you can't work out a deal with Hey, you, how are you to... Hey, you guys. Hey, you guys. If you could work out a deal where it just airs in both. I mean, there's plenty of shows that are international.

It wouldn't be the craziest thing. No, it wouldn't be. So I think when the hell does look it up? When does Rhode Island even come out? I don't think they know yet. It's like, it's rumored early this year, but... God, that's the other thing that they really need to get together. Tell us the fucking release dates, like, well ahead of time.

I'm so tired of them being like, oh, it comes out in two weeks. Tomorrow. Yeah, they do that with some shows. It'll come out that week. The network has confirmed 2026, but there is no specific day or month released yet. That doesn't bode well. Or they're going to just drop it randomly. I have no idea what they're going to do.

We know for a fact that they have a full slate once, you know, Salt Lake's going to be ending. The finale actually airs tonight. That'll be ending shortly. That'll be back, you know, they'll have to plug something in by February. But we've got Summer House also coming back. We've got Shaws of Sunset coming back. Southern hospitality is going to be coming back. I would imagine in March slash April, that's usually the slate that we're looking at.

It's usually like spring break. Yeah. So there's enough there where, yeah, you're going to have a couple of things to plug them. play. Monday nights are still pretty much reserved for below deck. There's another below deck going to come out after bed's done. So there's a lot going on. I just don't know where they're going to fill in these gaps. I don't know. They always sneak those one-off shows on us, too, that we don't really see coming, like the love hotels, the crappy lakes, which I would love another. I guess it's road trip would be the one that they're going to be doing at some point,

but they're filming that now. But I can't imagine that's a quick turner or not a quick turnaround. around if it's a one-off show. Yeah. But I don't know, because we, like, the ultimate girls trip of lore, the one we haven't even The Girl's Trip is usually a summer thing, though. Yeah, that's true. And that's a good time for that show to come out to. You have usually one housewife show that kind of runs through the majority of the summer.

There's a little spillover, something might, I guess, premiere at some point in August. O.C. does the entire summer into the fall and a touch of winter. But the other thing now is Peacock is heavily invested in Love Island. so they're going to have Love Island times 10 probably starting in July. I think it's going to be very ramped up this year. Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised that Bravo kind of takes a back seat while Love Island's on,

so that's a six-week period. Are you mentally ready to do that island? That shit is hard to come. I actually, so it's really funny, and I don't remember what the context was, but I was looking at my calendar, kind of like scrolling through, and I was looking for like weird dates.

I have two Love Island centric dates in there. One of them is in April and it's are you ready mentally to vote of violence so we must have been talking about it and I said maybe at some point in April you can ask me again the other one was check to see if I give a shit about Nicolandria that's coming up soon oh yeah I have stopped caring about those two months ago did you see the commercial that Nick did with Sierra yeah it was like a like a fake hallmark movie like quick thing I think they're still together though I think they're still together.

I think maybe that was the original question. Check to see if they're together. But it was, at least how it is in my calendar, is check to see if I'd give a shit. And I can tell you right now, I don't. I don't care about any of those Love Island people. I don't either. The further we've gotten away from it,

the more I realize, like, what a bad cast that was, in my opinion. Enjoyed the shit out of it. Like, it was an enjoyable season. But I'm really hoping that they get back to their roots in this season. We're not going after influencers, macro or micro-influencers, just get some random hot people and stick them together in Bali

or wherever it, Bali? Fiji. Fiji. They're in Fiji. I want random. Maybe I'll do like a little like mental experiment on myself and I'll just tune into like, I don't know, season 12 of Love Island, UK

where I have nothing invested. And I just watch that for a couple of weeks just to see if I really enjoy it. So then I can tell if I'm really going to enjoy it and then it has a lasting effect because I'm not covering it, or if it was really just a bad cast that we had last year for USA. I see what you're saying, but you run the risk of a Love Island burnout before the season even starts.

Yeah, but I won't be covering it, so I can kind of just, I can sit around with my phone. Yeah, it's spring training. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. What else is going on? I mean, what other shows do we have coming out? We named most of them. We did name most of them. Shaw's is the question mark.

Shaws I'm very curious about it. We didn't cover Shaz's a sunset. I watched it. of sunset um yeah i i've i've i've i've got myself in a mental pretzel i don't know what the show is actually called now it's persian style of it's shahs of it's shahs or sorry the valley persian style is correct yes someone had a great comment and i don't know where i read it but they're like they really missed the mark with i think it was in our um spotify comments but it was why would they not call it the valley persian version like that's that's a

It's a really good point. There's so many good names out there, and I think they picked the worst one. Let's see. Let's confirm this. I think what I originally called it, which is probably the stupidest, was Persian Edition. Yes, that was dumb. That was dumb. But that was me. And you're dumb. Here we go. The show is a spinoff featuring Shaws of Sunset, blah, blah, blah. The Valley Persian style is the official spin-off title. So there you go. It's not the best, not the worst. It's better than Persian Edition. It leads me to believe that there's going to be another valley. I think that's what they're trying to do.

Trying to build a franchise. They're trying to see. How do people live in the fucking valley? I think that's the gradual progression from what I've gathered. You go L.A., L.A. to the valley, the valley to fucking, where's those two living? Danny and Nia? Not Calabasas. I don't remember now. I'm out of season.

It's 45 minutes away, though. I know that for sure. Yeah. It's 20-minute drive, according to Danny. But, yeah, the Valley oldies. It's just going to be like the old people from O.C. I'm waiting for the Valley Tom's where it's Tom, Tom, and Tom Sandival's father, who is apparently the same as Tom.

What are if Tom and Jacks still live next to each other? I would imagine Sandivall's in there, too, somewhere. Yeah. Living in the bunkhouse or something. Yeah. He stays on that roof with a cot and makes cameos. His cameos are fucking funny. product of divorced parents between those two.

Sometimes he stays at Jackson's. Sometimes he's, like, never inside. He's an outside cat. Just jumps over the railing back and forth. Yeah, I can see that. But, hey, his cameos are, he's funny. He's a piece of shit, but he's funny. He is, admittedly so.

He is very funny. I don't know. I wouldn't hate it if he was on the Valley. We've already had this conversation. We've done this. Yeah, I'm cool. He's okay. Especially with Jack's being gone.

You need to fill that role of asshole somehow. Well, I saw a picture the other day. of, um, it was Janet with Michelle Lala and someone else and, uh, and somebody commented like, oh, are these the only people that, like, would actually film with you? And she said, yeah, I did spend a lot of my time this season with these guys. I'm like, oh, great, that's going to be so enjoyable. No, it's not. But the one thing I am taking away from BravoCon and what we've seen of Janet thus far,

it sounds like she's leaning into being the villain. Yeah. Which would be a much more enjoyable, Janet. Like, that's all we've been asking for for two. years as we've been roasting her. It's like, look, you're not nice. Stop pretending like you are and just be this version of yourself. Lean into this and we'll probably applaud you. Yeah. A couple of seasons when you and Jason get divorced, we'll applaud that. Yeah, because he took his ring off again. Very simple. Allegedly. Allegedly. I guess he tattooed it on there. He got a tat. Yeah.

So dumb. Like, again, you let Doty live in your brain rent free enough that you got your body's permanently marked. That's not a reminder that you're married. That's a reminder. that Doty owns you. Nice. Way to go, Janet. She's got a KD tattooed on your finger. Kristen Doty. Wow, that took me a sec.

Ooh. Hey, holidays. Hey, now. Here we go. But yeah, I think we covered whatever is on our minds. Yeah, that's pretty much just a deep dive into our brains. Yeah. Stranger thing, reality TV.

By the way, this is necessary every once in a while. We should just do this because we've got a lot of things rattling around in our brains. We'll just do it. impromptu episode, just throw something out there. What we call it? Just our thoughts. Proff Brodown? Yeah.

Sounds a little heated rivalry. That's fine. I think it's called a Brof Brodown. Yeah. Oh, down, Brof Brodown. I like it. And that's where we just hash things out. And it's a good time for it because we're about to hit a very crazy schedule.

Like we're going to have to record five, possibly six times a week for the foreseeable future. And it's a great time, too, for the Eagles to go on a fucking playoff run where I'm just drained every day. that'll get that'll reignite you though or i don't know what football you've been watching they do not reignite anybody no but if we can just they win and it pisses me off whatever i haven't enjoyed a game in a year and a half yeah on a super bowl so just about a year almost but yeah we got the niner's fuck brock party but yeah i like this this is nice i feel like i feel settled i feel We're ready to attack the upcoming slate of shows. And what better way to do it then as the braf bros again?

Best way to do it. Oh, to answer questions that we got, I think that's from our newer listeners that just see us as bros and shows. We're still covering everything. Yeah. We're not deviating from every show that we cover and branching out. It's just the name, it's a name. And this one, we like this one better.

Yeah. And so do you guys. Yeah, we really like this one. It feels better. I feel better. This is our baby. Yeah, I feel like. myself again. Yeah. I've been faking it. It's like we had a real baby and then somebody was

like, here, take this baby and we'll take your baby. Yeah. And we're like, okay. It's like we're Liam Neeson's. Liam Neeson's though, but we're Liam Neeson and brav bros was his kid in Taken. And then we Liam Neeson and got it back. And then Taken 2 was not great, but Taken 3 was really good and that's the return of Brabros. There you go. Taken 2 didn't happen in our our universe. We're taking one and taking three is where we live. Yeah, Revenge of the Sith. Yeah, exactly.

We're really crossing genres now. I don't know what's going on. But anyway, everyone cross your fingers for episode number nine of Stranger Things Season 5. If it's just a documentary, I'll be crushed. If they, last thing, then we'll sign off here. If they started as a documentary and then some crazy shit happens and it like falls into episode 9.

TV crackles. I would be, that's, that's the perfect cherry. That's the other thing is like, I never really understand this, but when you get a group of people that all watch the show and a lot of people are agreeing and seeing the same things and like the theories start to line up and you're doing this on your own, like personally you're thinking of theories and then you go online and see a ton of them, how do we have writers? Like how do writers exist that don't do anything that the fans are also talking about? Oh, I don't know. That, like, never makes sense to me. It always astounds me. Like, a great example of that is when they do a video game into a movie.

Yeah. And 98% of those movies are fucking trash because the writers think, here's what I really think it is. I think that a lot of writers, especially Hollywood writers, are pretentious as fuck. And they think that they know things better than people do. Yeah. And then they get these big groups of writers together. They pay millions of dollars. to because they do like a test run and they come up with these outlandish storylines that

no real people actually enjoy but they're like this is Hollywood baby this is what they want yeah yeah yeah and they put out all this garbage just follow like read comments yeah like there's AI now tell your AI to collect comments from all platforms and say what do people want the most and then do that how hard is that sounds like AI to a certain degree sounds like leaning into AI, though. Yeah, that's just basically James Vanderbeak in Montreal. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

You started talking about video games going to movies, though, and then I got excited because Zach Krieger's doing a Resident Evil movie. I hope it's good, because the Resident Evil franchise was so dumb. I enjoyed. I watched and enjoyed every single one, but as far as... Hill, Joe, which was so hot and she was awesome, too. Like, the first one was, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I enjoyed all of them.

It's just they get so crazy towards it. Like, they completely deviate from the subject material. That's when I get frustrated. It's like, Resident Evil has a built-in great story from each game. Like, you can jump to any of the games and be fully enveloped in it. Even the Resident, what was it, four when you have to kill all the rednecks? Yep. That was fun.

So, like, just use the material. It's like Tomb Raider. You heard it here first. Yeah. Steel likes to kill the rednecks. Yeah. Someone I'm saying. I mean, in that game, there's a specific, it's like a bunch of weird, like,

crazy, creepy people that live in the mountains, and they're probably in bread and shit. It hills our eyes. It's that, but Resident Evil. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I'm not saying I like to kill Rednecks. No, yeah, nobody was saying that. Anyway, that's our cue.

I think we've talked long enough before this goes off the rails entirely. But there's a lot to look forward to everybody. And as always, entering the new year, thank you for your support. report over the past few years. We are loving this and we're thoroughly enjoying it as well and hoping that we do this forever. So keep listening and we love

you's. That's all I got. You got anything else? No, I just imagined us really old doing this. Like with our old balls. Jax can go fuck himself. Old wrinkly balls. Just like starts falling asleep mid-recording. Well, wake up.

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