Bros & Shows - Bro-Code? More like No-Code (Southern Charm Full Recap, RHONY Finale Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

What's up Bro's?! Sh*t hit the fan in Charleston as the group finds out that Austin and Taylor made out. She is weirdly accepting of Austin's apology but Craig is wary of the whole situation. Austin l...ied to not only his close friends but the entire group for the past 6 months. Meanwhile, instead of allowing Taylor to tell Olivia about the make-out, Austin swore her to secrecy and he ended up spilling the beans to Shep and completely throws Taylor under the bus. They have the most awkward dinner of the year and we're serving pheasant! Shep invites everyone in the group despite the fact that multiple parties are not getting along right now. She rips Austin a new one and rightfully so... Can Olivia make amends with Austin or Taylor? Should she? We sure hope not. Then, RHONY has come to an end and we really enjoyed this first season! Was it perfect? No. Was it entertaining? Yes! And it has a lot of room to grow so we hope that it will continue to get better over the years. In this episode, Jessel stands her ground and stops taking crap from San. It's Brynn's birthday party and it's a masquerade affair. Ubah stands by Jessel throughout this episode calling out that Jessel and Pavits marriage is NOBODY ELSES BUSINESS! Meanwhile Erin can't pick a side as she sides with Sai for the past few weeks but then wants to make nice with Jessel at the same time. It all comes to a head when we hear about Ubah's new man. What was originally a secret came to light when Sai started gossiping about it. She then tries to blame Brynn for the secret coming out but at the end of the day... Sai's the snitch... Time Stamps: Southern Charm (12:55) RHONY (45:55) This episode is sponsored by Manscaped! Keep your confidence high with Manscaped's easy to use body hair trimmer and use code BravBros at checkout to get 20% plus FREE SHIPPING! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:30 As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shoots magoutes what's up shoots same panic different disco no honestly we are in a different panic in a different disco same panic at the disco as they say here we go again one of the bros is sick find out who it's me i'm sick i feel horrible and i'm going to call it the red october flu uh so for those of you that follow us on social media. You might have noticed that I was down in Texas this past weekend visiting my
Starting point is 00:02:32 daughter for five days. It was incredible. We had an absolute blast. I got to watch her cheerleading. She did like a cheer camp. And then on Friday, went to the high school football game. And it's like Troop Texas versus Arp, Texas. And they're like five miles apart from each other. Get this. They're both the tigers. They're both maroon and white. Interesting. Interesting. And they're rivals, right? I imagine that the away team's wearing white, right? I forget. But I wasn't watching. I was watching Poppy. So that's the thing. Like, they came out on the sideline and they cheered for the like the entire first half with like the older girls. It was the cutest thing I've ever seen. I took like a million videos. I was 1,000% standing
Starting point is 00:03:14 in the way of multiple families trying to watch their children play football. But fuck your kids. I'm trying to watch Poppy cheerlead. But it was awesome. But here's how my week went. Okay. So last Wednesday, went to the Phillies game. Yes. Got home late, adrenaline pumping. I don't sleep well when I travel. My flight was at 6.30. So I had to get to the airport about 4.30, right?
Starting point is 00:03:37 Maybe two hours of sleep. Land in Texas. I have to record with you. Drive three hours out to Troop, Texas to go get my daughter. Stay there for the night so I can watch her in the football game the next day. Drive back to Dallas three hours. Stay in Dallas until Monday. All right.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Tuesday morning, I fly back at 6 a.m. had to wake up at three. Land in Philadelphia, had about a three-hour breather, and then down to the Phillies. And then I had to wake up at six o'clock this morning to go train people. So I think I'm running on like collectively five hours of sleep over the past seven days. It is poppy related and Phillies related. So at the end of the day, one thousand percent worth it. I fully get that. That makes a lot of sense to me. Look, I know how the flu goes. I had it a couple of weeks ago. It's not fun. You said before the show that we need to stop kissing. I disagree, actually. I think kissing your boys is back. Kissing your boys is absolutely back. If anybody was
Starting point is 00:04:34 watching last night, Rojas and Castiana shared a little warm embrace. There was a little smooch going on in there. Kissing your boys is back. Some people say it never left. I think it's back fully. So here we are. It's our current event. Right now, though. But yeah, no, I feel that entirely. I had to go to back-to-back games. If we're looking at it like this on an aggregate score, though, the games that we've been to, it is, I think, 26 to 2. It is. The boys are cooking. Boys are cooking.
Starting point is 00:05:02 The overalls are working. We're 3-0 in the overalls. But other than that, let's get into some business, pal. Do you have any current events for us? No, dude, the current events is just Phillies, really. Yeah, you're going to have to check in with us after Red October. It took me four days to recover. I didn't, I still, I just today started feeling fine.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Really? Yeah. like it was it was a full recovery Friday did absolutely nothing I ate ice cream and ate pizza in that order actually on Friday night that's by myself yeah of course of course naturally Saturday I think I went to the mall for about an hour and got really tired and went home you went to the mall yeah I went to the mall to like clear my clear my head a little bit you know you're that guy yeah I get a little sit on the mall benches fuck no you're not that guy no and don't even ask me about the massage chairs um do you sit on those no god no I think there's things are disgusting
Starting point is 00:05:50 I'd never seen one of those things sanitized ever and you just see like tired dads walking around with their daughters and they just want to sit down and they'll zone out and just either fall asleep or just completely... I've seen a guy fall asleep in a massage chair without anybody massaging him. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Starting point is 00:06:06 I got it. Well, since we don't have any current events, I saw somebody asked in the comments if we could do a similar power rankings as last week where we ranked, what show did we rank Roney? Roney. They want us to power rank Southern charm this week.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Oh. I thought that was a good idea. So let's do a guys. We'll do a guys rank, a girls rank, and then a top three. And bottom. Just a bottom one. So guys, girls. Why don't we just put them all together?
Starting point is 00:06:35 You're just making multiple categories that create one big category. In my brain right now, this makes sense to me. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. All right, just rank them then. Okay. I will put, see, this is, it's tough. You're right. I think you are right. I think we're looking at the girls, just because it's really tough to overanalyze things.
Starting point is 00:06:56 But right now, and it's so funny because it's, like, sympathetic, too, because I feel bad for a couple of the cast members. I think I know who you're going to say, and it's just like the whole thing's weirdly enough. No, you know who's number one? Madison. Really? I've got Madison at the top. Interesting. Madison even being at Whitney's house that night when Craig, or when Austin and Shep had to have their little powwow about everything.
Starting point is 00:07:20 her being there was funny it is funny she is just there to be she's the meme of standing over your enemy's grave and feeling like i had to show up to the funeral to make sure you were actually dead i actually do appreciate it yeah yeah it's just funny it's it's really great for tv but it's also just funny in life and austin deserves it and he also didn't care like he came out and she goes so did y'all fuck or what and he looks at her southern accent that was my southern accent yeah she has a way more pronounced southern accent than everybody else in the show uh sometimes i think it's fake but that's you not neither here nor nor her she's not from Charleston, right?
Starting point is 00:07:52 I thought she was from, like, actually, somewhere or more further out west. Somewhere further southern, would you say? With a thicker accent. Charleston accents tend to not be as prominent. There are parts of North and South Carolina that are, like, a thicker accent, but... Yeah, if you go out in the sticks. But Charleston tends to not, you get a little twang, but...
Starting point is 00:08:12 Getting derailed from our power rankings immediately. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't take long. Doesn't take that. Especially in your state, too, because I have the tendency to just kind of go off the rails anyway. I used to rain us in. Yeah, you're indulging me at this point. This is bad.
Starting point is 00:08:24 So I've got Madison at the top. I'm going to put Craig right behind her. And it's really mushy in the middle. I agree with that. I guess I'll put Olivia at three because I feel bad for Olivia. She's just kind of getting railroaded for all of this. And it's just like a mix of Austin, Taylor, Shep. Vanita, who doesn't do a whole lot, but she's getting a little bit more screen time.
Starting point is 00:08:50 on a little bit more from her because I feel like she can bring a different element to the show. And J.T. is at the bottom. In lieu of everything that's going on right now, JT's still at the bottom because he won't shut the fuck up about BroCode. If he says BroCode one more time, I'm going to fly down to Charleston and hate him with a gopola. We're going to change our name. It will no longer be the Bravo. Oh, true.
Starting point is 00:09:10 I didn't even think about that. That's so bad for us. Dude, I know they say no publicity. There are no publicity. It is. I don't want Mommy Milk. boy over there talking about bros mommy milk boy i swear he said mommy milk at one point in time but whatever so yeah that's that's kind of where i am i know it's not a very regimented power
Starting point is 00:09:31 rankings but that's how i feel i respect your feelings here's mine thanks pal number one for me's olivia actually because i think she's handling this thing very well and she's getting put in some bizarre scenarios like just creepy almost i did not care for the dinner scene it made me like gave me the hebi-jeebies legitimately. So I'm going to say Olivia's number one, because I appreciate that she's getting all this shit thrown at her, and she's staying pretty tough. Yep.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Number two, I'm going to go with Craig. I like Craig on Southern Charm. He's a different guy. He's much more well-rounded. He has emotional intelligence on this show. I don't know if you can say at this point that you like Craig on Southern Charm, because I'm thinking back to just this past season of Summerhouse. He was fine, that.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Oh, you're right. I think I'm still stuck on Winterhouse, and I need to move on from it. You do. That's when he was kind of goofy. Yeah, he was really goofy at Winterhouse. He was also very goofy when Austin was terrible on Summerhouse, which is two seasons ago now. I'll give Craig. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:10:33 So, yeah, I think Craig is, I think we're just watching in real time Craig grow up. Craig's cool now. Craig in a real relationship and kind of removing himself from situations with Shep and Austin is helping him grow up. I agree. Okay. So Craig, not just so choke. Craig. Flat out Craig number two. Socho. Southern Charm.
Starting point is 00:10:54 You don't have to say it. I know what you... Socha. Socha's probably better. Socho doesn't sound as good. Go on. Three. Madison. Four, five, six. Yeah, that's kind of a weird play. I don't know where to put them. Like, I think... Weirdly enough, I put Shep above all of them. I don't. I can't ever. Just because I know who he is. And I think that it's...
Starting point is 00:11:13 He's getting a weird pass this year because of what's going on. And it negates everything that he did. because you can't compare the two and it's impossible right but it doesn't take away for oh funny side note by the way somebody in our comments told me to stop saying right after i make points they're like you make good points you don't have to like convince us that you're correct by saying right at the end of it it's like look that's just how i talk about it's a compliment but it's like so at the same time just stop saying right no i'm going to keep saying it but i just think that he's getting a weird past because you can't compare what he did to what Taylor did, but at the same time, he's still
Starting point is 00:11:52 not a good dude, but he's getting this weird sympathy card from the audience because people feel bad for him. I found myself feeling bad for him until I'm reminded like, wait a minute, you're a dirt bag. I think he's got a tiny bit of self-awareness this year, which is way more than he's ever had. That's a bold statement. I think it's way too early. There's a couple of statements that he's made that sounds like he is at least somewhat self-aware, and it could just be him not being in a relationship. It could just be, obviously, confessionals happen after things happen. So maybe he's getting a little bit of perspective from all of this because he's been railroaded, but... Well, we'll talk about it. We'll get there. And then Vanita is not on my
Starting point is 00:12:30 rankings, only because, like you said, I want to see more out of her. For better or worse, I need to see what she can bring to the table. I feel like she always gets the phone call from somebody. Always Madison. You know what I mean? Phone calls from Madison. Or her boyfriend that we've seen once or twice, but like, that's the extent of her involvement thus far, and I don't know if that's her fault even. So, like, I would like to see her do more, and I'm curious
Starting point is 00:12:53 to see if they're going to give her more of the limelight at some point if she's going to step into the situation in some way, shape, or form. But then last for me is also Jay... Actually, no. You know what? JT's before Shep and Austin. I take that back. Because J.T. is good for
Starting point is 00:13:09 the show, dude. I don't... I know that you hate him. I just don't think he's good for the show. I know what he was there for. He's a plant to get us to talk about how Olivia slept at Austin's house, or that Taylor slept at Austin's house. That's all he was there for. And now he's just talking about it over and over. We're getting to the point now where everybody knows what happened and we've gone deeper than what JT knows. So we have no use for JT anymore. He was a plant by Bravo, by Southern Charm, to go there to say, hey, give us a little bit of insight on Austin and Taylor's relationship.
Starting point is 00:13:40 Well, I heard that she slept at his house. Awesome, JT. Thank you. Well, I also heard that she slept at his house and he violated the bro code brocode bro professional what the professional courtesy it's just he he's done we're done with j t he doesn't a plant what did he do in this episode that makes you think wow he's great for the show this episode no but i i'm just going off of like he's been good for the show up until this episode but if you're saying that he's a plant would you say that he has already wilted yeah i think he's he's a plant that sprouted and then just never flowered. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:16 All right. Well, with that, that's a perfect segue. Let's jump right into Southern Charm. The first thing I want to point out, and I saw this, and you're normally the resident ratings guy, Southern Charm is crushing it this season. And Salt Lake. Both are doing like over a million. I think they're on really good nights, if that makes any sense.
Starting point is 00:14:40 I think that Tuesday through Thursday is the sweet spot. Sunday night. It's tough. Sunday night has to be really tough. Especially in the fall when you got football on. Yeah, it's football. And look, I'm not, you know, who knows what people, if people are even watching football on Sundays, it's also just the end of the weekend.
Starting point is 00:14:56 And maybe you're not tuning into something that's airing at 9 p.m. on a Sunday night. You just kind of like ease back in. I feel like that Tuesday through Wednesday is such a sweet spot. And that's Salt Lakes on Tuesday, Southern Charm on Thursday night. You could sit down on a Thursday night, have a couple of glasses of wine, have a couple of cocktails, have a couple of day chasers. And I think that maybe you're getting a little hydrated, you're not drinking.
Starting point is 00:15:18 That is alcohol. Yes, it is. But I feel like it's in a really good spot, and it's also captivating right now, and it's a little different than what the Housewife shows have shown us so far, so I think people are kind of geared up for it, and I like it. Do we have Beverly Hills on Wednesday coming up?
Starting point is 00:15:33 That's a great lineup. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday is going to be awesome. I'm excited for that, and we might have a little guest coming on to talk about Beverly Hills, hint, hint, we'll see. but let's jump into this episode we start out with the conclusion of the conversation at Whitney's house
Starting point is 00:15:48 and Shep and Austin are sitting there and I have a question for you because at the end of last week's episode you said I don't think that anything happened between Austin and Taylor given the fact that we know that they made out do you think that they did more than that
Starting point is 00:16:07 or do you think they just made out weirdly enough I am taking them for Facebook you think they just yeah i i don't know i just i don't know why i have no idea it's a gut feeling and i don't typically have gut feelings on things like that okay usually i am pessimistic you're usually on the other side yeah i'm usually way on the other side i'm giving this more merit honestly for some reason something feels off about the whole thing all of their interactions the way they talk to each other the way they talk about each other it just something feels really off to me. And I don't think that it
Starting point is 00:16:40 actually, I don't think it transpired further than that. I'm curious if we're going to get more. I still think there's more to it. There's no way, especially if it was a drunk moment and they were at Austin's house. She said, we were at Austin's. You're telling me that they were lit. She slept there. They kissed and that was it. Or did it happen in New York? Not even an OTPHJ? Or did it happen in New York? She said it happened at his house, but I mean at this point. Somebody else said New York.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Somebody said his house. I think that Olivia said New York, and she said his house or was it Austin told Shep that it was at his see that's it gets murky it doesn't we just already getting murky said which it could be murky for two reasons either I'm gonna go tinfoil hat and say that they didn't do anything and this is all for the show or I'm gonna say there's a lot more here and that's why they're not matching up their lies which we've already seen time will tell but the the whole scene to me is weird because Shep all he wants to do is forgive Austin. He's just looking for a reason to be like, yeah, you know what, man, like, it's cool. Like, I don't understand why you did that. And like, but I love women. Like, the
Starting point is 00:17:47 worst thing you could say right there is, I love women. Like, I get it. You just want to bang them all. I want that one. I want that one. I just want all the women all the time. It's like, even in a moment where you're trying to let Austin back into the fold with you, you're still being gross. And this is where I get like reminded. It's like, yeah, you're literally saying, I totally get it, man, this is just the one chick you couldn't step out on. Like, that was the only time. Like, everything else is fine except for her. And I don't, the fact that he has this weird principle around just Taylor, but everything
Starting point is 00:18:21 else is fair game, I don't think that he has the right to demand anything from anybody. And again, I think that we broke it down correctly last week. This is no longer an Austin and Olivia problem. This is a Taylor and Olivia problem and a Shep and a Shep. Austin problem. They need to figure it out separately. They don't need to come together and we'll see that play out later. But I do think for that situation
Starting point is 00:18:44 for what Shep was talking about, one, him saying I love women and I get it, that's him being very true. It is. That is him being true to a fault. And in that moment, he's saying that and I fully believe him. I understand what he's saying. And with that being said,
Starting point is 00:19:01 two things come from this. One, his friends have always been above any relationship that he's ever been in, all of them, except for Craig now with Paige. This is the first time that we're seeing any of the three of them in a relationship where they are putting the girl that they're dating ahead of their friends. They
Starting point is 00:19:17 always have that weird incestual friendship going on that they can never do anything wrong. They're always going to support their boys no matter what happens, even if it means that they're going against their girlfriends, which we have condemned them for in the past. We're seeing this happen now in a much different way. He's ready to forgive Austin
Starting point is 00:19:33 immediately, and he does not want to lose Austin as a friend because where is Shep without a friend. Shep just went on a solo journey to Australia and South Africa and then back he was sad. He came home and he's like, I'm excited to be home. I haven't seen my friends in so long. You see Austin wake up
Starting point is 00:19:49 in the morning and he says, I feel like I haven't seen my friends in so long. Like I've got nothing to do. You're out of town. Shep's over in Africa. I just don't know what to do with myself. Without their friendship, none of them can really do a whole lot so he's afraid to lose Austin as a friend and the best part, he now feels vindicated. But that's
Starting point is 00:20:05 soft. I get that. I'm sorry. It's just It is soft. And I don't understand. Just because you're afraid to be lonely, you're going to just flat out forgive a guy that we see him battle with this throughout the episode. When he's reminded of the fact that they kissed, he's like, God, I really hate thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:20:21 It's like, because you're not over it. Craig highlights it perfectly. He's like, you need to address this because it's going to blow up. And again, emotionally intelligent Craig, thank you, sir. But it's a great point. Like, you can't sidestep it and push it down because you're afraid to be alone. Like, that's fucking soft. That's also going to give Austin
Starting point is 00:20:36 more power, too. I agree. You do not strike down with the power of a thousand sons, then he's going to say, wow, Shep was really cool about that. I wonder if that means
Starting point is 00:20:47 that I can actually have a relationship with Taylor. Right. That's what's going to happen. That's the byproduct. And look, I mean, we've never really seen Shep
Starting point is 00:20:54 just get visibly angry with any of them to the point where I'm not going to be friends with you anymore. Oh, no. It's angry. Even last year. You got angry last year
Starting point is 00:21:02 because Austin outed him for cooking up with a girl in North Carolina when they were visiting somebody in Charlotte. But he's coming back now, and this is a real reason to get angry with one of your friends, and he doesn't take that opportunity. Austin is a dog.
Starting point is 00:21:14 We say this all the time, sometimes in a loving way, sometimes in a mean way. He is a golden retriever. If you do not correct that action, he's just going to go right back and do it again. That's really good. Let's keep moving. This is where we get your boy, JT. And why does he have such, like, you are not involved in this, buddy. You have no room to talk.
Starting point is 00:21:35 This is what I said. he was not great this episode and I don't understand it's like hey scorned a little boy she doesn't like you just because you continue to try to be her night and shining armor like are we really going to just let this go if they choose to yeah j t because it's none of your fucking business and the fact that you now want to get mad at austin for lying to you you're not part of the crew craig can be mad at austin shep can be mad at austin for the lie j t he doesn't owe you anything pal you're not involved in this scenario so like go sip on your bottle go sit in the corner and take a few plays off this is where i got frustrated with it because again and i agree as soon as you started talking about
Starting point is 00:22:16 brocode again i'm like you don't know brocode and if you have to keep saying brocode it just shows that you're not down so you need to shut up stop getting involved in this and i can even hear craig's tone it's almost like craig's just like yeah yeah yeah like listening to what jt s like just kind of humoring i'm like yeah i know it's kind of fucked up but like it's really none of your business this at the end of the day. You're not part of this. So that I agree was, that was a tough scene. Also, isn't it against BroCode to invite a bro's ex-girlfriends to Europe so that you can potentially hook up with her? You're plotting on Taylor. You're the biggest issue with the BroCode. He is anti-BroCode by going to, the only reason that he didn't violate BroCode
Starting point is 00:22:56 is because Taylor hooked up with his friend. Like, get over it. You're not, you're out. You're fucking out, buddy. But this is where we get Leva and Olivia at the brunch and this scene was tough to watch because it's like foreshadowing it's like they're talking about you know if you found out that anything did happen what would that do and Olivia's like I would be done at that point like I'd be done we already know that more happened at this point so we're just kind of listening to these two go back and forth and this is why I like Olivia because in this moment she has every reason in the world to be like you know what Taylor you lied to me about what
Starting point is 00:23:35 whatever relationship you two had, her and Austin, you weren't forthcoming about it. Like, Olivia has every right to be angry just at that alone, kiss aside. But she's still trying to find a way to work it out and not in a Shep way where it's like, I just want everyone to get along. It's more so like, I really care about Taylor and I thought to be at a connection. I want to figure out a way to move past this. However, I'm really hurt and I don't know if I can. And if one more thing comes out, I'm fucking done.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, that's a reasonable response. And that's why I like Olivia. She's got her shit together. And like clockwork, the next scene is Austin at Taylor's apartment. And I couldn't help but just that setting alone. And I know it's a show. And I know they probably were like, oh, you can go over here today. But don't, you shouldn't be there.
Starting point is 00:24:22 He shouldn't be in that house. No, just logically speaking, it makes no sense for the very next morning after this happens for you to go over there. Does she deserve a phone call as a heads up? Sure. We know that they tried to coordinate a lie and Austin completely just threw her under the bus. Oh, he fucking... Yes. He absolutely saw the bus
Starting point is 00:24:41 coming, tripped her, and then shoved her into the middle of the bus path. Him going over there makes zero sense. Well, I brought you a six pack of trot pop. Taylor, having a beer in the morning, wild. Not sure what's going on there. What do you mean? I know exactly what's going on. She's spiraling.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Even Austin's surprised. I know. He's like, whoa, whoa, what? Oh, you're going to have one. It's so funny, but he has to go over there. Like, she deserves a phone call. We should have a FaceTime coordination going on here. Let her know what you told Shepp last night because you know how this friend group works. Everybody's going to know what happens.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Obviously, you then told Madison and you told Craig, everybody now knows what happened within a couple of hours. So I actually looked back and thinking, somebody probably told Leva what happened to. So when she's sitting there with Olivia, she made the business decision. This is not my place to tell you what happened. I think she knew that. Watching her reaction to everything that Olivia was. was saying the way that she was probing with her questions, it seemed like Leva was not letting on as much as she actually knew. And that's just who Leva is. And we've seen that in the past, too,
Starting point is 00:25:41 and I respect her for it. But Austin going over to Taylor's was wild. And it was like, I got flashbacks of Sandoval going over to Raquel's, where the dog comes over and starts sniffing him. He's like, hey, buddy, it's like, oh, he knows you. He knows that dog. Same thing with Taylor's dog. Taylor's dog starts running over to Austin. Like, how often are you at her house? Frequently. And, like, I know that we've been discussing how close you guys have gotten as friends and everything, but to the point where I think you're probably there multiple times a week and she's probably at your house
Starting point is 00:26:10 multiple times a week. It's weird. You guys are now caught and you're still repeating the same behavior. It's going to blow up in their faces in one way or another. Well, they deserve it to blow their face. Even more than it has. It's just, and Olivia says this later to Austin. She's like, I don't know how she hasn't seen you for who you are.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Look, is Austin good for Bravo TV? Yeah. Does he push the drama? Is he entertaining? Is he fun to watch in, like, a happy way sometimes? Yeah, like when he's with the boys or when he's in his element and not being an asshole. Yes, he's all of those things. He's also just a dirtbag, man, and he's so selfish.
Starting point is 00:26:46 But Taylor has seen him in his element. I agree. She's seeing it in a real time closer than anybody else has seen it. She's looking through it. She's naive. We've seen her in the past with, with She was super naive, the entire relationship. She let a lot of transgressions go. She let a lot of things go without, like, looking.
Starting point is 00:27:02 deeper into them or having any sort of discussion with Shepp, and we used to rip her apart for doing that because you're not asking any questions. You're afraid to know the answers to. You're letting Austin play this exactly how he wants. And Austin, look, for what he is, he doesn't really have much of a plan. He got pressed, and in that situation, he did not lie to Shep, which, you know, kudos-ish, I guess. No, not kudos because of how he set it up with, because Taylor, the only reason, I believe this firmly, the only reason Taylor didn't come clean. to Olivia is because Austin was in her ear like, no, no, no, you can't say anything.
Starting point is 00:27:36 They said, she said that. No, I know, but I'm saying like... She even used the word script. I agree. It's crazy. I know. It's not a reality TV show. I know. I thought the same thing. But Austin has no issue breaking that code. And like, he literally after telling her,
Starting point is 00:27:53 yeah, I did that. I totally threw you under the bus. The next thing he says is, but I've never felt more liberated. Good for you, dude. She's up Shits Creek without a paddle, but you feel fine because Shep doesn't give a ship because Shep's weird. So you get a get out of jail
Starting point is 00:28:08 free card because Shep is an asshole. Meanwhile, Olivia, who has a good head in her shoulders, is never going to come back around to Taylor because you ruined that chance. Had Taylor in the beginning said, you know what, we were drunk, we kissed. As soon as it happened, I knew it was a mistake. It never happened again.
Starting point is 00:28:24 There's a chance for reconnecting there. But now that she's doubled down and lied to her face twice, I don't know if you can reconnect there. And that is solely because of Austin. He's the only reason that that didn't happen. And Olivia and Taylor being friends was just convenience. I don't think that they make a whole lot of sense as actual friends
Starting point is 00:28:42 for the reasons that you just laid out where Olivia actually has a good head on her shoulders. Taylor just kind of does what she says or just kind of does what somebody else says. And that's where she is. And right now we're just stuck in a vicious cycle of everyone's afraid to lose their friend or someone that they're close to in this situation. So they're not doing anything worse. They're not getting mad at each other. just kind of taking it. And even in that moment, like you just said, where Austin says out
Starting point is 00:29:07 loud, I feel liberated right now, which is crazy to say to the person that you just admitted that you threw under the bus. She didn't get mad about it. She did point out, well, I'm glad you're liberated, but I don't. Now I feel like I'm in a terrible spot. And I don't know what to do because I just lied to my best friend right to her face. It's not going to work out. You can't keep all of your friends. And that's pretty much, I feel like that entire episode was just about everybody trying to smooth things over instead of just facing the real facts. I agree. And the next scene, we're at Whitney and Patricia's house.
Starting point is 00:29:38 And this is where we get a weird drop in from Whitney, or I guess Patricia is the one that brings the light, about a nudie pick from Taylor to Whitney. A la Ken Vanderpom. Yeah, exactly. That's pretty much a Ken moment right there. But I'm so confused about the premise of this, and it looks like they're going to get into it more next week. But, like, he says it was a joke, and it says, come one, come all, is the caption.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Who else said that explicitly, no less than five minutes later? Oh. Shep said it to Craig on the bench. He said, I'm way more of a come one, come all type of person. Do you think she sent it to him to? Maybe. But I don't know, because the timeline is obviously going to be skewed. We don't know how long ago she sent the nudie to Whitney.
Starting point is 00:30:22 It sounds like she sent it to a lot of guys, probably on Snapchat, which, you know, do what you're going to do. You want to do that? It's kind of a very weird caption. to put on a new picture of yourself. We don't have to get into that. No. But for her to say in the caption, come one, come all,
Starting point is 00:30:38 and then as soon as Craig's talking to Shep about his pheasant party, I'm way more of like a come one, come all kind of guy. I don't really want anything to get any troubles. It was crazy. It blew my mind when he said that. And it was the very next scene. Well, I'm sick, so I'm not picky.
Starting point is 00:30:53 I'm not nearly as. No, it's okay. I got you. Appreciate it. But we get this scene with Craig and Shep and they're getting drinks. And this is where, you know, we hear from Shep's side. You don't want to talk more about mother and son sharing nudes?
Starting point is 00:31:06 Oh, wait. Yeah, no, great calls. You got them sick. You got to pull me, you got to reel me in. Yeah, wait. What the fuck? What a weird, bizarre thing to say? Like, in what world?
Starting point is 00:31:15 And by the way, it's actually not all that surprising because of, like, creepy aristocrat, like, NEPO baby, like, mommy, look at this picture that this person. I don't think he showed her the picture. I think he mentioned Taylor sent me in. nude and she had this at the bottom. No, she saw the picture. You think she saw the picture? A thousand percent she saw the picture.
Starting point is 00:31:34 I think she said in the scene that she didn't see the actual picture. Bullshit. He showed her that picture. Yeah, because look, I love those two for what they are now. It took me a long time to get there. But if you don't think some weird shit happens behind those doors, you are stoned. All right. Like any, I just assume that about like old money families across the world.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Like, just there's weird shit. There's definitely some weird chick going on there. You know what I mean? Illuminati. Diamond. Right? Is that what it is? The diamond? Or the temple? I think it's the temple. I. The eye of the eye. Yeah. There you go.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Don't come after us. We don't have that much money. But Shep and Craig are getting drinks. And Craig's upset with Austin. Rightfully so. And Shep's like, well, man, like it's not that big of a deal. Like, he apologized and he manned up and he told the truth. It's like he manned up and told the truth because you backed him into a corner. That was not a righteous move. Second, he has lied about this for months. half of a year to Craig's face, to your face, Shep, to everybody in the group's face. There's no reprieve from that, and that's what bugs me about these people is because you don't get a pass because you're emotional about it in the moment.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Austin's really good at turning it on when he wants to, but that's not genuine, and that doesn't give you a freebie to be a douchebag for six months, act like it's the most emotionally traumatizing thing in the world that you fucked your friends over, and then you have this break down in front of them. You're like, I can't live my life without you. I can't. You just throw out these massive words and massive claims that you can't possibly go on without these people. Meanwhile, in the moment when you can make a choice to not fuck yourself over and not fuck your friends over, you do the wrong thing every single time. And thank God, Craig's like, no, we see this. This is a pattern with him. Austin finds out that he fucked up. He gets mad at people
Starting point is 00:33:23 because he wants a medal for coming clean about it after he gets caught. And he gets away with it time and time again. And it's getting so frustrating to watch. And that's where I go back and forth on Austin. Again, good for TV? Yes, undeniable. But the fact that he gets passes over and over and over again, I'm ready for somebody to actually check this motherfucker,
Starting point is 00:33:45 to actually grab him by the scruff of his shirt and be like, if you do this again, I'm going to punch you in the teeth. because you need to stop stepping on people's toes stop involving yourself in other relationships and stop being a dog. The fact that we can call them a dog three years in a row, dude. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Three years in a row. Like, fucking grow up. Well's head. Thank you. Way to go. I don't know how that came. He's a lot of sick energy there. Don't miss Swight,
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Starting point is 00:35:44 when I see certain things, they're definitely sponsored by Jeep. Do you see Waggoners pull up? Boom. Boom, boom, boom. Because Craig pulls up in a wagon air, and I was like, ooh, that's a really nice car. Then Austin pulls up in a wagon here, and he gets out of the back. I'm like, oh, they're just sponsored by Jeep.
Starting point is 00:35:58 So they're sponsored by Jeep and Buick? I think, are they the same umbrella company? No. Are you sure they're not both GM or something? Buick is. Jeep is not? Jeep is Chrysler. You can't tell me that they all pull up in Waggoners separately.
Starting point is 00:36:12 They do, but in the first episode, you made it a point. Shep pulled up in that Buick and they zoomed in. You think Shep personally is sponsored? sponsored by Buick. Oh, I'd love to know that. They have individual car sponsorship. I don't think that it crosses over to production, but I don't know. Pick a line and figure out what car you want to have sponsors.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I like the wagonneers better. Bagoners are way better. Yeah, they're really pretty. I don't like Jeep people. Jeeple. But the whole premise of this dinner is crazy. It's bizarre. And this is what I was saying about, like, weird things that happen in these kinds of families.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Yep. Like, in no world should you be inviting all of these people to your friend's house, by the way. You're not even going to, like, I guess it's a neutral sight. That's the least you could say about it. But why are you going to these people's house for this pheasant dinner? Just because this man can cook, have him at your house or have him at Craig's house. Have him at anybody else's house. Don't go bring this drama into Caleb and whatever that lady's name is.
Starting point is 00:37:09 And they were weird to. I don't know. They gave me the heby-G. The whole situation- Why do they give you the he-be-cheeps? Honestly, bro, it looked like a scene. from get out like just that the those that family like just hanging out and everything and it was bizarre i do agree that it doesn't make any sense why you would allow or why you would welcome that craziness into your house it's weird but who knows they want to be on tv and then it's just
Starting point is 00:37:34 probably the tv thing but it's also seems like maybe they were childhood friends and caleb's not on the show and i don't know there's some shit going on there well regardless we get to see taylor get there and little Craig's like all over and like Shep's crying and this is where I'm reminded I'm like you don't get to cry and act like oh I just miss her boy you cheated on her to your point credit where credits do in his confession he's like I don't miss being in a relationship I miss being close to Taylor and Craig yes so all right at least he's self-aware in that regard where he's not like I just miss us and he just missed I think it was a fake cry too by the way probably he was just wiping his eyes yeah probably only I only know that because page was looking at him
Starting point is 00:38:14 he was doing it and Paige had a slight smirk on. By the way, how fucking happy is Paige that she's here during all of this? Oh my God, dude, she's a kid in a candy shop. Exactly. She's so excited to be there. She's talking to Austin. She gets to look over and see what Taylor's doing. She gets a spy on Taylor and Olivia's conversation.
Starting point is 00:38:31 She is loving it. And she also knows, like, I'm happy for her. She can't get drug into this in any way she's completely clean and absolved of all of these things. Which is so funny because in the first episode, there was a possibility where the women were going to go after Paige because they think that she didn't like them. Right.
Starting point is 00:38:47 And we have nothing from that because this has overshadowed everything. She sidestepped it completely. Maybe it'll come back at the end of the season because I do want that to be a good focal point towards the end because it'll help us and also maybe even help Paige and Craig. Focus on their relationship and where you want to be. And are you going to be part of this group or now? I think it's important to get her involved in this group for Craig's sake. Yeah. Because even when they're talking about the drama at Craig's house before the party,
Starting point is 00:39:13 she just seems disinterested. So I'm glad when she gets there, she's like, ooh, this is pretty juicy. And she starts to, then we get more out of page. Look, right now, Southern Charm is way better than Summer House. Oh, absolutely. Although maybe next year might be, oh, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:26 This next season's going to be a little dicey. We got a lot of irons in the fire. Yeah. Took a second, but we got there. The conversation with Shep and Taylor doesn't need to happen. It really does not. And I think that that kind of shows you that this is not an issue
Starting point is 00:39:43 between the two of them because Shep tries to say that he has a problem with it and like he really mean to tell me in this day and age like all you did was kiss she's like you told me all you did was kiss the girls out in Texas or whatever he's like good point good point like and they like that Taylor didn't back down I feel like that conversation for us needed to happen because it needs to put Shep
Starting point is 00:40:01 in his place because like I said earlier he feels like he's in a position of power right now he feels like he's vindicated Taylor did something that's way worse than what he did during the relationship even though he cheated on her with multiple women and lies or face the entire time. I don't think it's way worse.
Starting point is 00:40:16 You don't think it's... I think his is way worse. His is way worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His is way worse because he betrayed the trust of the relationship to someone who he was crying about seeing his dog again, whatever.
Starting point is 00:40:26 But I think that the conversation does need to happen because you get to see Shep's true intentions. He is coming from a position of power in his own head right now. He now has an in back to Taylor. He can nag her a little bit, say that she did something wrong because he was never able to do that
Starting point is 00:40:41 during the relationship. Yeah. Because he was always the one who was doing something wrong. He feels like he can do this. And maybe in a sick, twisted way, it'll bring him and Taylor closer together where they'll be friends. And he can watch her play with his dog at some point in time. Instead, she shuts that shit down right away and says,
Starting point is 00:40:55 no, you did this to me and said that you only kissed other women. You didn't. We know you didn't. So get it out of my face with this shit. But she was still receptive to a lot of things. And I even saw a hand on the back as he walked away. So the weird part at the end of it, she's like, this isn't like a pass for you to go sleep with whoever.
Starting point is 00:41:11 It's like, well, whoa, that made no sense to me. You don't get to say that. He can go out and see whoever he wants. You have no say it to matter. You can't say it. It still upsets me. It's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter regardless of the Austin situation,
Starting point is 00:41:24 but now that you have made out with his best friend, like you really have no say. Yes. He's allowed to do with whomever he wants to. But, except maybe your mom. But Olivia arrives, and I felt so bad for her. when she walked in that door. One, yeah, doesn't know what she's walking into.
Starting point is 00:41:46 Two, why, Shep, why is this a good idea? Like, I just, this is where I legitimately started to feel like creepy and gross. And I didn't get the premise of it all. And the conversation between Olivia and Taylor happens in the middle of the living room. Take her somewhere else, man. That was, I think that's more on Taylor, because she knows what the content of the conversation. It's definitely on Taylor.
Starting point is 00:42:13 I'm just saying, like, I don't blame Shep for that. Yeah, it's really, everybody else knows except for Olivia, which always sucks. Especially walking into a room. Taylor did try to talk about it, and wanted to do it in person,
Starting point is 00:42:24 and Olivia wasn't receptive to it. But again, Olivia does not understand what's going to happen. She probably thinks it's just going to be more smoothing it over, smoothing it over. There's no new information. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:42:33 You are putting her in this corner. Taylor stops and says, let's try to get this conversation over with right away. I want to have it face to face. and instead of saying, let's go outside. We're in another room. They go five feet away from everybody else. Like, you need to understand what's going on here
Starting point is 00:42:47 and what you're going to say and prepare for a reaction that might be fucking outlandish. Rightfully so. Instead, you do it five feet away so that everybody can ease in, everybody can hear everything that's going on. And I think that's fully on Taylor.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I don't know what Shep's supposed to do in that situation, but we'll get to the Shep at the end of the dinner, of course. I'll tell you what Shep should not do. He should not walk into the room when they're having the conversation to say,
Starting point is 00:43:10 everybody's okay, dinner's ready. It would be better if everybody sat down with their dinner and maybe Olivia or Taylor looked over and saw everybody sitting down and made a decision, let's table it and go back to dinner, or we can take this somewhere else away from the dinner, and then we'll come down and eat later. Yeah, exactly. I agree. Shep should not have stepped in there.
Starting point is 00:43:30 No, and then you have to forcibly watch these people sit down and eat. Taylor is sitting next to Olivia at the table, which is so funny. Next to Olivia and Shep. And Shep, I know, which is crazy. But the dinner, again, we see Austin's true colors. Austin is the victim now. I don't understand how you can talk to everybody else, but you can't talk to me. She doesn't owe you a fucking thing, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:53 She doesn't have to talk to you. You dated for three months. I'm so tired of this shit. I know. One, you dated for three months. Two, you're the one that fucked this up. If she wants to sit at the end of the table and act like you don't exist, that's her prerogative.
Starting point is 00:44:05 She doesn't have to give you the time of day. You're gross. She is not. And I'm so glad that when they went outside together and Austin tries to do his stupid puppy dog thing where he backpedals and says, I can't possibly live without you. I need you as a friend. Where was this energy for the past few months? I'm glad she pointed that out. If her friendship was so important to you, why were you not trying to pursue that friendship before to smooth it over?
Starting point is 00:44:28 Now that you got caught with your pants down, now it's a priority for you to make things okay. But in the past, it didn't matter. All he's trying to do is smooth it over, exonerate himself so they're. can move forward and he doesn't feel guilty. That's narcissistic behavior. It is so concerned about himself that he can't see, oh, this is probably done, done because I'm gross. I fucked her over 16 different ways.
Starting point is 00:44:52 And the cherry on top, as Olivia points out, is the makeout with Taylor and then the lies for six months. I'll just never understand the energy to date a girl for a couple of months, be an asshole to her, completely play with her feelings at the end of everything, and then say a couple months later, I just really need you. I feel like we were meant to be friends. What a fucking weird sentence? That's a bizarre.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Could you ever imagine feeling that about somebody that you knew for a couple of months? Like, you went on a fucking cruise or something, and you met a guy there and he was a really cool dude, and you guys had like a bunch of great nights, kissed a little bit, got him sick. You know how it goes. Oh, me? Yeah, you. And then at the end of it all, you text them and say, I feel like we're really meant to be friends.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Like, it's fucking weird behavior. It's bizarre. It's bizarre behavior. It's bizarre to do it anybody. It's weird behavior of people of like the same. sex, let alone another girl when you're a straight guy that you dated. It makes no sense. I really liked
Starting point is 00:45:45 what I got to know through those three months that we were dating, and I feel like we'd just be better as friends, but like really good friends that like, you know what, maybe sometimes we're drunk and like we hook up, like, I just don't understand any of it. It's just, when he said that, I audibly laughed.
Starting point is 00:46:01 I didn't do. It's just goofy. It's a weird behavior. It's fucking crazy. It makes no sense to me. I hope he gets exposed this season. I hope that, like, none of this shit works. The only person I don't want coming after him is J.T. I don't need to hear it. And, again, I think he's good for the show,
Starting point is 00:46:20 but I think he needs to pick a different lane. You better be careful with that good for the show thing. You had an opportunity to just kind of get out of it. Now you're talking about it again. It's a dangerous game. I'll play it. I'll play this game. I think he will.
Starting point is 00:46:31 That's the other thing. I think J.T. will try to insert himself now. Now that his role is done, he did what he had to do. He's still on the show. weirdly. He's talking to Craig. He's going to make this about him. We're going to get some Angie K moments. Right in the middle. Yes, Angie K moments, indeed.
Starting point is 00:46:48 We're bops in out of nowhere. What? I think we're overdue for a Southern Charm fight. I think we need an actual brawl, not the fucking Craig and Austin thing that we were supposed to get last year where it looked like they were fighting. And then they were just wrestling because they were really drunk. And Craig wasn't that drunk, but, well, no, Craig was actually way drunker. That's kind of what they build it up. We're overdue for a good old-fashioned,
Starting point is 00:47:09 Southern five. A little scuffle, some fisticuffs. Yeah, little fisticuffs. Yeah, nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. I'm not wishing death on anybody. Nobody gets hurt. No hospitals.
Starting point is 00:47:17 Maybe like a Shiner. Yeah, a couple shiners. That's it. It's good. By the way, for bros, we're going to talk bro code and stuff, sometimes it's all you need is a little scuffle, a couple of black eyes, and you move on. Maybe that's what the show needs. And now I'm going to talk to you guys a little bit about Manscaped.
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Starting point is 00:49:03 So I feel like it's been somewhat of a roller coaster. I will say, I thoroughly enjoyed the season. I think that it started off great. I think it lulled a little in the middle. I think there's a lot of things, a lot of positive things to grow from. And I think it's a great first season. I feel like people are still, still holding on to the bringing the OGs back. You stopped watching them.
Starting point is 00:49:29 All right. I'm sick of this argument. I'm so done with it. I saw it today because someone, like, posted, how do you feel now that the season's wrapped, Sony who had bring back the out, you stopped watching them. Get over it. They weren't working. Maybe they were one of the
Starting point is 00:49:43 five that were still watching. Well, I don't know, because it was like 15 comments. You stopped watching Derinda. You stopped watching Sony. You stopped watching your favorites show shut up about it. Seriously, move the fuck on. That is not what the show is. It's just annoying. It's such a baseless
Starting point is 00:49:59 argument. It's just frustrating. It's just a bunch of people that have no time or sorry, all the time on their hands. the time, yeah. And they're just throwing this crap out there. It's like, give the show a shot. Stop watching it from the lens of comparing. Just don't watch it.
Starting point is 00:50:12 You know what? If you feel that weird about it, that you need the OGs back and you don't want to watch it, don't spread your stupid hate all over the internet. Nobody cares what you have to say. It's just annoying. I care what we have to say. Stop it. Influeners.
Starting point is 00:50:26 I don't have the energy to fight you. Back again, baby. I will say I did feel like this, what? That was like an intro. I liked that. Oh, yeah. No, I will say that I do feel like this episode in particular, completely forgot it was the season finale. Yeah. There was no substance to this episode.
Starting point is 00:50:43 It wasn't like a major like banger at the end. Like usually they come in hot or they, or they smooth it, right? Like you get one of the two. It's either kind of smoothed and then it ended on a hot note and then it wasn't a hot note and it's kind of sad actually with Britain. But anyway, let's just get into the episode. Once you start us off over there, Chief. All right. Taking your intro energy.
Starting point is 00:51:01 I like it. I need that kind of support tonight. Uba and Aaron are doing bumper cars and it's weird and this is kind of Aaron's MO like she says she feels bad about Pavit but then she starts poking holes in Pavett's response and this goes back to when they were at swingers and they were saying you know why do you love your spouse or what's your favorite thing about your spouse and she is stuck on the fact that Pavett said I can do whatever I want that's not what he said and we've seen a clip of it over and over again I get that they won't see that until the show airs and I hope they bring it up with the reunion because that's
Starting point is 00:51:32 not what he said. And I'm so glad that, and this is where Uba takes all of the steps back. Like, I know she had a couple of episodes where I was like, so-so. Yeah, it was just the Anguia stuff. That's all. Anguilla, dude. No. That's actually what it's called. Don't care. Okay. But she's back in my good graces by far because she just makes sense. She's like, it's nobody's business to talk about this. Like, I don't understand why you need to poke holes in it. And also, that's the most loving thing you can say. I love this person because they let me be me. And I was like, fuck yeah, Uber.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Not only did she do that, she also compared it to herself and made it like a personal thing, saying that that's exactly what she would like to find. And even in her confessional, she didn't understand. And this is something that we were talking about for weeks. Luser energy is when you have to poke holes in metal in other people's relationships. Leave them alone.
Starting point is 00:52:20 Nobody cares. Stop bringing it up. But we do find out that Uber did not appreciate David's line of questioning about her, you know, needing a man or her, why are you not married, why you're not in a relationship, whatever. That's where we get the little clip of her leaking the sigh. Like, hey, I do have a man. He lives in Connecticut.
Starting point is 00:52:37 I'm keeping it on the down low. I don't want anybody to blow up my spot. Which will come back and blow up her spot in about 30 minutes. But moving on from there, we get Jessel and Bryn, who are also out in Central Park, and they are going to get a tree for Mimi. And I just like pointing out these scenes because I think they're sweet. And I think that it's interesting that. that Sye can connect with Bryn, and we do see a softer side.
Starting point is 00:53:02 I can see that. It's not, like, soft and squishy and, like, sweet, but it is softer than we're used to. Like, you can tell that she doesn't like to open up, but I'm glad that at least in this moment, and I'm not giving Sye any passes, I think, that she still is brutal, but it's there. Like, if she can explore that a little bit more, I think she would have done herself so many favors this season, and it might be too little too late, honestly, if they don't bring her back, I'm fine with it. I'm fully fine with that. My thought during this
Starting point is 00:53:31 pretty much alluding to exactly what you just talked about, I kind of feel like I understand Jessel a little bit more. Maybe Jessel understands that Sai treats people that she can relate to a little bit better than the people that she can't relate to. Oh, so she makes an effort
Starting point is 00:53:47 to relate. Yes, so she's making an effort to try to relate to Sai, and I might be completely off on this. I think that has. During that, you can see that Sai actually cared what Britain was talking about. She even brought something up about the ducks that I completely forgot about when she was talking about me before. She brought up the ducks and right
Starting point is 00:54:02 immediately, Brin goes, I really appreciate that. Thank you for pointing out the ducks. Sye can be considerate, but she has this weird like speed bump to get into that point of her life, I guess, to be considerate that you have to relate with her on a different level. And she said as much in the
Starting point is 00:54:19 confessional. I feel like Brin and I have gone through a lot of similar things. We've had a similar path and I can relate to her a little bit more. So I do feel when she talks about those things, you can feel for everybody. You do not have to relate to people on a core level to understand how they feel. It's called being empathetic. She's not really empathetic.
Starting point is 00:54:37 She is exclusively empathetic. And I feel like that's where she is. And I feel like that's why Jessel was trying to relate to her because she understands maybe a little bit more than what we've seen through Sy the entire season. She gets, I need to be able to relate to her for her to like me. That's what I was trying to do. And it blew up in her face, which sucks. but it's really because Sai is kind of an asshole.
Starting point is 00:54:58 But moving on, Jessel's doing a photo shoot. She's starting an e-commerce company that I believe that they ship ready to wear jewelry and accessories from the Middle East around the world, or at least to the U.S., and they are... Middle East and India. Is that what it was? To around the world, yeah. Okay. And she's doing a photo shoot at Jenna's apartment, which I fucking love Jenna's apartment.
Starting point is 00:55:19 And I don't think Jenna's coming back next year, and that makes me sad. Uber gets there and has to walk up a billion. stairs and heels because the elevator's broken and we get a chat between uba and jessal and they're talking about the brin and jena conversation and that we saw that the other night where they were all at jessels and pavit was there and uba just points out you know aaron's still talking shit about pavit and about like what was said at the dinner at swingers and jessel finds like you know what i'm just over it i'm over it and uba agrees like marriage and relationships are off limits and weak people fight that way.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yep. I think that's perfectly said, because if you compare, like, just looking at the interactions, right, who's more insecure? Jessel and Pavett or Abe and Aaron? You already know the answer to that. Even Aaron, like, leaps and bounds, watching them interact, it's like, who are you trying to convince each other or us? When I watch Jessel and Pavett, I'm like, that's a couple.
Starting point is 00:56:19 That is a married couple. Those are best friends. Absolutely. Yes. They razz each other. Like, did I give? jessel shit in the beginning of the year because I didn't care for her she was talking to pavit I did I stand by that I think it was just pretty I think it was nervous energy now that it might
Starting point is 00:56:32 have been I stand by it she was being too rude to him but what we've seen in recent episodes like yeah that's a real relationship they take a couple of digs here and there but they clearly support each other should pavitt say that size bipolar no should you call her fucking bitch no but at the same time he's defending his girl so you know what don't really care honestly like if you want to say that about someone that's talking nothing but shit about your wife? Yeah, fuck it. I'm not going to throw him against the wall for saying that she's
Starting point is 00:57:01 bipolar or calling her a bitch. She was being a bitch. He's standing up for his wife. Nobody else is. It's just frustrating. It's really frustrating because we have to keep hearing about it from this other crew of Aaron and Sai. And I think, and we talk about this
Starting point is 00:57:17 in the past, where they don't see what's happening until the end of the year. Right. I think that sigh and Aaron think they are fucking killing it? Cy at least has been true to herself, I feel like, this entire season. Aaron has been on a
Starting point is 00:57:33 rollercoaster. Oh, she's up and now left. Right. But if you really think back in the beginning of the season, Aaron was the one who was being trampled on by Sai at every fucking turn. She finally got to a point where Sai is not coming after her anymore because Sai has a new target. Sy's the bully of the group.
Starting point is 00:57:49 I mean, we can all agree to that. She's the bully of the group and people mistake bullies for being cool. Erin is doing that with Sye right now. She's finally in her good graces and look, I think that the parrot comment was funny last week. I think the way they handled at the end of the episode was hilarious.
Starting point is 00:58:05 But in this in between thing Aaron is in denial. You are echoing everything that Sai is saying because you want her fucking gratitude. Literally. Literally everything that Sai has said you then spewed over to Uba. You didn't have those thoughts before you talk to Sai, before Sai voiced her
Starting point is 00:58:21 opinion on what Jusel was doing. You then carried it over to Uba who checked you and you didn't know what to do lo and behold, it's because it wasn't your original thought. You're just carrying a thought over to another person. You got shit for it and you don't know what to do. Agreed.
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Starting point is 01:00:23 But during this scene where they're costume shopping together, that's where the pet parra thing comes up again, like you said. And Aaron brings up to Cy that Uba's not thrilled with David's comment about her needing to date somebody or whatever. And Cy goes on the defense of David, but you can tell this struck a nerve a little bit because she goes on David's defense at first, and she's like, he compliments all of my friends.
Starting point is 01:00:48 And sometimes I'm like, hey, David, like, I'm right here, and I'm like, yeah, because he's saying way too many nice things to Uber in front of you. That's fucking weird. You should have an issue with that, not with Jessel and Pavit, but whatever. But she doesn't like that Uva said that, because the next thing she does is immediately turn into a little snitch, and she rats Uber out and says, well, yeah, she's fine, by the way, she's dating somebody. It's like, yo, you can't do that. That is 100% snitch behavior. And we see a bite on the ass later.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Super funny about that. Jessel's not allowed to defend Pavitt, but you're allowed to defend him? It just makes no sense. It's super hypocritical. And I love that sighs in the middle of this. And we get to see her squirm and try to spin out of it, try to blame other people, and try to get mad at the wrong person. You fucked up, dude. You got to own it.
Starting point is 01:01:35 And she keeps saying, man, as soon as she says it, she knows to. And she's like, but it's a fault. And here we go. We got the Heather Dubrow vault. Yep, we got a vault. It's a fault. And I can't tell you. No, no. You've said enough, man. You've already said it. Like, all you have, it doesn't. Also, to Aaron, somebody who has proven to just immediately turn around and tell somebody else. Oh, yeah. Like, the worst person you could possibly tell is Aaron. And then Aaron takes issue that Uber didn't tell her. It's like, why does everyone get butt hurt about little things like that? Like, it's not, who cares?
Starting point is 01:02:06 Well, I do, from a viewer standpoint, I do have a problem with both Uber and Jenna not sharing their significant others on the show. I agree with that. You signed up for that. You can't hide personal details of your life. If you're dating somebody, and look, I understand that maybe the significant other doesn't want to be on TV, it's early on, whatever might be happening. But you can do it in a way that's nice. You can say, hey, I've been dating a guy, talk to your friends in private, and just kind of disclose a little bit of information on TV. They just try to hide both things, and I have an issue with that. I completely agree there. I'm saying, because Aaron's not upset that Uber didn't share her TV. She's upset that she didn't share it with her personally.
Starting point is 01:02:42 I'm like, two weeks ago, she was going to punch you in the face and took your sunglasses off of your face. because you took her phone. Yes. You think she's going to share personal details with you? Correct. That's right. It was also a really dumb misstep by Uba to even tell Sye in the first place. It was.
Starting point is 01:02:56 That is, I know you just said that Aaron's probably the last person. Sye is by far the last person in this group that I would tell any information. I didn't think Sye was going to rat. And then she did. I wasn't sure she was going to rat, but I figured she would use that against her. So if Uba had issues and she tried to call Sye out for something,
Starting point is 01:03:11 she would immediately turn around and use that against her. That's the funny thing. It's like what Uba said is not that damning. And it came out immediately. So imagine if she had said some actually mean shit. I probably would have told the entire story of who this guy was. But before Bryn's B-Day, we get a quick scene with Jessel and Pavitt. And Jessel's got that raspy voice, which Brin has already commented, like, ooh, that voice is, like, sexy.
Starting point is 01:03:35 You got that sexy raps going on. She asked Pavit. Like, hey, do I sound sexy? He's like, uh, do I have to answer that? It's like, you can humor her sometimes, bud. Yeah, it's funny. But she left. But again, real, right?
Starting point is 01:03:50 Funny. Connection. Love. Yeah, love. Like, love. Friendship. Like all the things. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:03:57 But that just goes to show you exactly what he said at Swingers. Right. She allows me to be my dumb self. I get to go on a trip to fucking Vietnam to go. I keep saying Vietnam. No, I said Thailand last week. It was Vietnam. Damn it.
Starting point is 01:04:08 I get to go on a trip to Vietnam to use Miles and have a fucking sandwich and come home. And she's not going to give me shit for it because she just lets me be myself. That's his. being himself. That's their relationship in a nutshell. Both of us probably have the same reaction to that. Like, come on, dude, just throw her a fucking bone. She'd be like, yeah, yeah, you sound great. Instead, she starts laughing.
Starting point is 01:04:26 I don't understand your relationship. It looks nice. I like it. It's genuine. Let's just keep that going. And you don't have to listen to me. Exactly. But we get to Bryn's birthday, and the first thing that we see is David, like, pulls Uber aside and has this, like,
Starting point is 01:04:42 profound conversation where he knows that he messed up. And I hate when people do this. This is a big pet peeve of mine. She's trying to explain to him like why it was upsetting. He goes, oh, I know. I know. It's like, well, if you knew, then you wouldn't have done it in the first place, David.
Starting point is 01:04:57 So instead of saying, I know, say, I hear you. Or, okay, that makes sense to me. Like, the worst thing you can do when you fuck up is then say, I know. Because that just means, all right, then you disregarded it. Just flat out be rude because you're an asshole. If you knew, then you know that you're being an asshole. Correct. don't, I hate that, but
Starting point is 01:05:16 Uba says it's like a teaching moment. I don't think she fucks with David. I don't think so either. I don't think she wasn't really into it. You see more once that happens and once Uba calls attention to it, and I know that you and I talked about David's weirdness towards Uba last week,
Starting point is 01:05:31 before Uba got upset about it. Did you see the hug? Yeah, the hug was awkward. They zoomed in. Then you start to look at David's interactions with the other women. He's a little creepy. He's a creep.
Starting point is 01:05:42 He did it to everyone. He walked, as soon as somebody walked in, He walked in, saw Brin, gave her a hug. He said, I miss you to Brin. Weird. Weird. I, look, I've got a lot of friends. I've got a lot of friends that have wives.
Starting point is 01:05:53 I've never once looked at my friend's wife and said, I'd miss you. That's inappropriate. I've known your wife for almost 20 years. I've never once told her that I missed her. She'd probably appreciate it, you asshole. She probably would, but who gives a shit? Get over it, death. But, no, that was, that rubbed me the wrong way.
Starting point is 01:06:09 And I feel like, I think I still would have noticed it, but it wouldn't have felt as strange. if Uba hadn't pointed out her uncomfortability during that conversation at Swingers. Once she points that out, we hone in on those little things. Oh, yeah, I'm locked in now. Every single woman that walked into that room, David had either a really overbearing compliment or said, I miss you to Britt.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Weird, really weird behavior. Yeah, I don't like him. Which is funny. We've completely 180ed on Abe and David, but that's what we do here. We change opinions. Shitty dudes. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Even dudes everywhere, a bad name. Yeah, they should go hang out with J.T. in Charleston, but Jessel and Pavett arrive, and she walks up to the girls, and I like this move. She walks up, gays a very, like, ho-ha. I'm like, hey, everybody, like, good to see you, and walks away. No hugs were exchanged. She's not bullshitting anymore. And she shouldn't. You put up with a lot of shit from these women. You don't have to play the game every time. Sometimes you can just do that. Nice to see you. I'm going over here with my husband. Kick rocks, everybody. And Aaron immediately has a problem. Aaron, like, walks over and confronts Jessel. And this just,
Starting point is 01:07:13 shows you, and you talked about it earlier, Erin has no identity. Aaron does not know who she wants to be on this show. She does not know who she wants to forge her alliance with. She's back and forth between wanting to be part of the mean girls and the tough girls and the cool kids versus the goofy fun, you know, Jessel side of things, where Jessel seemingly is just trying to be silly and have a good time. Yeah. She keeps getting thrown under the bus.
Starting point is 01:07:37 On the flip time. But that's what Uba said during the bumper cars. This is the Aaron that I love, the one who wants to go out and do funny things and not just cause up drama. This is the errand that I want to hang out with. Then pick a fucking side. She's got a lot of different personalities
Starting point is 01:07:49 and I think she's just trying to figure out which one fits best in this friend group. She's probably just confused because Abe makes her play a character every time they have sex. He doesn't want to have sex with his wife. So he makes her play that. You know they're using those masks.
Starting point is 01:08:00 Oh, without a doubt. They're doing some weird. You go to a mess like that little eyes wide shop party, a little Fidelio? Would I go? I don't know. Not a sex party. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:09 It's like a, you know. I was going to say like, would you wear the mask the whole time and have some fun? If it's a mask party, I feel like, I feel like this is a loaded question. I'm not, nope. Nothing in the chamber. Dev, no, I'm not going to any weird mass sex parties.
Starting point is 01:08:24 I'll let you know how it goes. What? What? Adaboy. Hey-oh. Jessel, and again, I'm glad that she, you know what? While talking about this episode, I've completely changed my opinion on it. I like this episode.
Starting point is 01:08:36 I like that we saw Jessel come into her own in the last episode. That's what this episode was about. It just didn't seem like a season finale today. I agree with that. But the fact that we saw Jessel, who's been shit on by this crew and her try to relate, her try to smooth it over, her try to be the bigger person to see her come out like this, take a stance, say, you know what? I heard you were talking shit, Aaron.
Starting point is 01:08:56 And then she's like, yeah, and I heard that you just don't like me, sigh. And so I was like, it's not that I don't like you. It's just be real. It's like she hasn't been fake. You know, and that we were at the forefront of like, what's her real deal? Like, who is Jessel really? she's not fake she's not smooth she's a little clumsy but she's not fake i feel like that just comes with getting into a new group of friends and trying to figure out your identity in the friend group and it's
Starting point is 01:09:24 got to be tough because this is a forced group of friends right usually you get to pick your own and they did have that fucking dumb throwaway which i can't stand that we hear this every goddamn show your friends or your family that you choose enough enough it's fucking annoying stop saying that you guys aren't really friends. You guys got thrown together because you're good personalities that might work on a TV show. Yeah, we do this for a living.
Starting point is 01:09:47 We know the premise. Yes, we understand how this all works. I do have to ask you, were you offended when Cy looked at Jessel and said, you're the type that writes shit down in the notebook
Starting point is 01:09:57 because you can't remember it. I didn't take it personally, but I did write something down like, that's fucked up. Yeah, I think that they were coming after me? Wow. You know what? If that's the case,
Starting point is 01:10:09 then I'm just honored that they mentioned me. How about that? Good. Let's go better at it for you. This little interaction ends, though, with Jessel finally being like, we're just going to go our separate ways. What I liked about it is Jessel says that and calmly walks away. Yep.
Starting point is 01:10:26 Says, we're cool. And goes and gets her husband. See you later. Yep. Sye, she throws a tantrum. She gets loud. She walks away. She's got a problem with it.
Starting point is 01:10:35 And it's because she's not used to getting, like, faced. You know what I mean? You get that immediate fake confession. professional from Sai. Wow, Jessel finally figured out, if she just ignores me, I'll be happy. Right. Yeah, okay, dude. Sure, who you fooling? Yeah, you didn't win this. As soon as you get ignored for like three minutes, you have to run back over. Yep. This is where Bryn lost me a little bit, this episode in general, because she tries to, everyone's going after. Jessel did great. She stood up for herself in her own way. She didn't cause a scene. Like she was calm, collected, said what she needed to say and moved on. She didn't want to get emotional about it. Yeah. It was great. Brin's like, you need to. stand up for yourself it's like we just watched her she did a very good job of it because she didn't entertain the nonsense she just said what she wanted to say and moved on she actually did a great job of standing up for herself and brin i don't have it i do have issues with a couple
Starting point is 01:11:24 of the things that brin did in this episode that's not one of them i i truly don't even think that she even knew that jessel stood up for herself oh you don't because once she walked in she did give a warm hello and happy birthday to brin brin walked away so brin wasn't really there and it is her birthday party and there were a lot of other people there not just these people. So I did see Brin like kind of mixing it up with other people during this whole thing. So I really don't think that she knows
Starting point is 01:11:47 that Jessel had just stood up for herself. She came back to the conversation a little bit later. But that doesn't give her a pass because she did some other shitty things. Well, in light of that, humor me on this one. Do you think that at a certain point in the night, Bryn looked around and noticed that her party was not all about her
Starting point is 01:12:05 and she brought up the new year, new you, let's air our grievances kind of deal. Yeah. She could take center stage and also drop a fucking bomb out of nowhere. There was no need for this comment to come out in the open. She calls out Pavitt for saying the size bipolar, and then, to her credit, reels it in and says, but he said immediately he rescinded that. He said, I don't mean it like that.
Starting point is 01:12:29 But then he called her a fucking bitch. And the way that she said it was a, that was a harsh F and a harsh B with a solid. I just loved it. Pabbitt didn't back down from it, though. In the confessional? In the confessional, he's like, yeah, did I, I was a little emotional. I was defending my wife. Yeah, I probably did call her a fucking bitch.
Starting point is 01:12:46 You said if I called, he said if I called her a bitch, she was probably being a bitch. That's great, though. And I don't know because I think that Bryn was missing an action for a little bit there. She had COVID, I think. Yeah. So she did get to miss out on a couple little things. And really all she got was sitting at Jessel's apartment. And that was the only like piece of information that she could then spew.
Starting point is 01:13:09 and throw it into the group and just see what happens, just throw a little grenade out there. And she did it twice. So I think that she was just looking for that wow factor, I guess, if you will, which it doesn't really work that often. And I think that's kind of what she was going for. I don't think it was because it wasn't about her. I think this was premeditated.
Starting point is 01:13:27 Okay. All right. So it was because the last few episodes had not been about it. Yes. I would, yes. I like that. Yes. Well, as this is all going on, Jess will take center stage again because
Starting point is 01:13:38 Sye starts saying, well, she just lies. about everything. It's like, what do I lie about? Because I get confused every time as well. I'm like, what has she lied about? Nothing. Did she embellish her backstory a little bit? Maybe. I don't even think she embellished the backstory. I think she was telling the backstory of a different
Starting point is 01:13:53 person. Right. It's still confusing. But like, if you want to get frustrated at the runaround, okay, fine. Sure. But to say that she's lying, she's like, and then she brings up Vietnam again. And it's like, dude, all that she said was he's going to Vietnam in a couple weeks. He booked a
Starting point is 01:14:09 vacation for me. Why are we so stuck on the goddamn date? My man says they're open tickets. They weren't open yet. And I looked it up. Do you know what happened? Whatever that airline is made a mistake and posted these tickets that were supposed to be like $15,000 for like $700. They fucked up and posted it. He got like an alert like there's cheap tickets and he bought three of them. They said in an article, we messed up, but we're honoring the tickets. But because of that, I would imagine, as with all mileage, there are blackout dates. Yep. This all makes sense.
Starting point is 01:14:46 If the timeline's a little skewed, they're not lying about the premise of the trip. No, I just think that Sai can't get her fucking head around the fact that she can't comprehend how it works. You're not as smart as you're letting on. We know this. We watch you sit there and talk the whole time. You open fucking boxes for a living on social media. You're not that intelligent. We try to see you as a smart person, and you are not a smart person.
Starting point is 01:15:08 and you are not a smart person because you clearly can't wrap your fucking little mind around this stupid, dumbass fucking thing that you keep bringing up and it makes no sense that you're holding on to this. If Jessel lied about something, we didn't see it. No.
Starting point is 01:15:23 And everything that we're seeing in Bravo's archives that they keep bringing out every time they bring it up, Jessel didn't lie. Jessel didn't know. No. Pavit didn't know. Pavit's looking and saying, yeah, you know, February 9th, it opens, but, you know, it shut down right away
Starting point is 01:15:37 and I wasn't able to get those. I knew it was going to come in the next couple of weeks and figure it out. I told Jessel, Jessel knew that. They have two kids that run around their fucking apartment all the time. Do you think that they're talking about Pavitt's fucking trip to Vietnam and when he's going to be able to do it and when the dates are every single night so that Jessel is fully well versed in all of this? No. No, just get over it. You're stuck on this dumb thing because you have some weird agenda to go after Jessel because she wronged you in some way.
Starting point is 01:16:05 I don't know that none of us really understands. It just doesn't make any sense. You call somebody a liar on one of these shows. You better know exactly what they lied about and be able to point out exactly what it is. Otherwise, you look like an idiot. We need receipts. If you're going to play that card,
Starting point is 01:16:18 you've got to come with ammo. And we know that. We see it happen time and time again. We see how swives get shut down because they don't bring a receipt. If you're going to make a claim, there has to be some basis or else you end up looking dumb.
Starting point is 01:16:29 Like you just said, we get the clip of Aaron dressing as a pet parrot. It was actually funny. I'll give her props there. And like the whole scene between Jessel and sigh and Aaron, like, squashing everything. Like, oh, it's just a degree to disagree. We love each other.
Starting point is 01:16:42 Bullshit, I didn't believe any of it for a second. I think that was just, like, to save face, they know it's the last episode, whatever. And I'm curious to see, like, at the reunion if that rings true, because I don't think it's going to. No chance. We get the handjob cake cut. I guess that's a hand job.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Everyone puts their hand on the knife at the same time. That's what Brim is calling it. Yeah. And Jessel's confessional was really funny. I think that if Brin gets slapped by a thousand dicks for her birthday she would i was like whoa i was on the airplane i was flying to texas when they said oh i literally went ha ha let me turn this overhead light off that's no did you see that dude literally you can't make it up six o'clock in the morning six 10
Starting point is 01:17:24 flight and this dude is reading some goddamn book the foot and i i don't care i took the shot the picture intentionally so you could see not one of the light on in the plane that's my point the whole point if everybody on the plane is not turn their light on and you want to be the one guy to do that you don't think that's selfish no that's not rhetorical
Starting point is 01:17:49 the same money you did pal oh that's what people the comments are saying get out of here no you're so mad that nobody agrees with you know so many people agree with me I just haven't this is my Rosenthorn for the week I've got seven or eight comments let's your promulgians no dude it's just it's bullshit get a fucking eye mask
Starting point is 01:18:05 if you're going to sleep this is no no I don't trust people yeah I don't like it yeah no that was a real response yeah I'm not cool with that but this is where we get the uba phone call brought to light and brin out of left field just goes uba heard you got a man in connecticut and the whole room like like record scratch and everyone just looks up and sigh is livid because sigh just got outed that's all that happen and she tries to get loud that size move she thinks she can win arguments or disagreements by being louder than other people and she's just doubling down like that's her private information why would you say that i didn't say it on camera it's like yeah you did she did the same thing when
Starting point is 01:18:51 she was calling jessel a liar two minutes ago right exactly and so for you to sit there and take this approach of i didn't spill all the beans it's like no you're at fault here Uba's going to forgive Brin. Yes. Uba's going to forgive Bryn. Uba's going to forgive Aaron because Uba told Sai. Yes. Sai told everybody else.
Starting point is 01:19:11 Sai's the snitch. And her biggest thing was, well, I didn't spill all the beans on camera. Doesn't matter, dude. With wall break, I love a good fourth wall break. You did not specifically do it on camera. You rained yourself in, but then you went out with Aaron and Uba later that day and decided to tell them way more. That's a problem. Stop acting like Brin is the person that did this.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Brin, masterclass. Honestly. Just throw Sye under the bus and create some fucking shit just to see what happens. I do love that right after that happens, everybody gets pissed off in their own way and everyone leaves. And Brin's like, well, I thought we were going to go out and rage after this. You just threw a fucking live grenade in the middle and said, hey, you guys want to go party or what? Yeah, that doesn't work that way. It was a disco grenade, you know what I'm talking about?
Starting point is 01:20:00 From Fortnite. Is that what that's from? I think that actually exists, too, but I don't play Fortnite. I'm not a nerd. I play war zone. Man. Oh, man. I mean, all in all, it's a good season.
Starting point is 01:20:15 It's not the best season. It's a good season. There's a lot to build on, and that's the important thing. I think they need to make a couple of casting decisions. I think they need to figure out somebody to bring in if Jenna's gone. if they go the route of former New York Housewives, I think it flops. I think it flops really quick.
Starting point is 01:20:35 Yeah, I think it does too. And honestly, we have watched a lot of clunkers of seasons in just this like year and a half that we've been doing this almost. This was not one. This was not one. This was something that I never really groaned
Starting point is 01:20:49 or anything when I had to turn it on or wasn't looking forward to something. Like, yeah, there are certain times where I'm watching it that I'm like, all right, yeah, This isn't really super entertaining. But it was never annoying. It was never stuck in the same fucking nonsense over and over and over again to the point that you're just nauseous.
Starting point is 01:21:06 It was good. I felt like the pacing was really good. I felt like we got to know everybody pretty well. And I feel like we get to make some pretty harsh decisions at the end of the year. Notice the only person that we didn't really talk about in that last episode, Jenna. Jenna, because she's just kind of, she got a little checked out. She even said so herself. Keep the drama over there.
Starting point is 01:21:28 I'm going to stay over here. You can't do that too long. Established Housewives can do that. This is your first season. And I don't think she needs Housewives by any way. I think what we saw that last episode and alluding to she was on Watch What Happens Live last week. I don't think she wants to come back. I think that it wasn't what she was expecting.
Starting point is 01:21:48 And I think that it was too much. I don't think she wants to be in the drama. I think the reunion's a little rough too. I saw a couple of clips. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah. I just go after Jenna. saying that she's completely different off camera than she is.
Starting point is 01:22:00 Yeah, which I want to see that. I would have loved to see that. But I feel like she's afraid to show that because she actually still does have like legitimate business in the background that could be impacted by her showing her face on there. She can't show too much softness. If she, if she's in the workplace or I'm sorry, she can't show like how she handles her business on screen. Right.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Because then people she's doing business with are going to be like, oh, well, I know how you work. Yeah. So I don't know. And I will always have a soft spot. for Jenna. I like her. I like her as a person. I think she's cool. I think I... I just don't think she... I'd enjoy talking to her. Here it is. I don't think that she needs the show, and I don't think the show needs her. Yeah, I agree. But that being said, loved watching her this season. Agreed. Cool. Neat. Let's do some questions so I can go
Starting point is 01:22:45 lay down because I don't feel good. From Tall Butt 521. Not a fan of Taylor or Austin. Taylor is very immature, but we're Austin and Olivia a duo. I'll let you take this one. No. I just like don't think so. I keep getting re-angry about this. They had a fling for a couple of months. You were on screen. Maybe that deserves a little bit more because you're filming together all the time, but three months is not long enough to have this many feelings. This is now twice as long as you guys were together. I think they keep saying six months, six months. So it's twice as long as you guys were together that you are no longer together, who the fuck cares?
Starting point is 01:23:27 Move on. Not me. But you know what? Maybe they're meant to be friends. Oh, on the flip side, from Linzal. Even though they are douche canoes, nice, don't Austin and Taylor make a good couple? No. Really?
Starting point is 01:23:43 I don't think that Austin... Look, I mean, I think it makes sense, but I feel like Austin's going to cheat on her. So, no. Okay. It's just, I can't see Taylor. I don't know where she is in her head at this point, but it seems like she's just willing to do anything that anybody wants to do because she just wants some friends
Starting point is 01:24:02 and Austin's showing her a lot of attention. She's showing her some caring moments. She acts like she thinks that she knows that Austin's a better person than everybody else. It's a weird situation. We know. He's not. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:24:15 No. I'm going to say no. Okay. Do you think they are? I think they make sense if Austin wasn't such a dog. But he is. I know. I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:24:23 if he was settling down, again, not going to be that guy. Watching Craig. Right. I could see those two making sense if he was actually working on himself instead of. I think as long as there's one other of the three musketeers that's single and just kind of doing their own thing, the others won't settle down. Yeah, I agree with that. From Pineapple Becks, is Cy catching so much fire because there's nothing else to discuss this season? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:24:48 There's plenty to discuss. Sye is just focused on one thing, and it's coming. off horribly. She's just not doing a good job. She's not playing the game the right way. Yep. Just a rookie mistake. From Bobby J. Gorski, what do we think Pavitt's really doing in Vietnam multiple times for 24 hours? Getting a
Starting point is 01:25:07 fucking sandwich, Bobby. He's getting a sandwich. Getting a sandwich. Don't wink. I don't think he's doing anything shady. Is he going to go out? Maybe, like, go to a bar and get fucking hammered? Like, I don't know. Do I think that he's going out there to cheat on Jessel? No.
Starting point is 01:25:23 I don't say that either. No, I do not. I understand, like, the scenario if I didn't know somebody and watch them on TV and watch the relationship, if you just said, hey, this guy goes to, I wanted to say Thailand again. Yeah, Vietnam. He goes to Vietnam for 24 hours. I would say, what's he doing over there? Actually, you know what? If he was going to Thailand, I would absolutely say, what's he doing over there? Hey. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Bangkok. And last one from...
Starting point is 01:25:51 Oh. Edirinda Headlights. Boom, nailed it. Do you get the sense Aaron and Cy planned this Jessel thing pre-filming, but misjudged how it would land with the viewers? No.
Starting point is 01:26:07 I don't think it was pre-filming. I already said this in the episode. I do think that they think they're crushing it during the season, and when they watch it back, they're going to be like, oh, we come off as assholes. I think Aaron's going to think that. I don't think Cy is apologetic ever. No, and I don't think it's premeditated at all
Starting point is 01:26:22 or else Si would have a better argument for Jessel being a liar than talking about Pavett's potential trip to Vietnam. Yeah. I feel like there would be a little more substance there, a little more thought behind it. I feel like it's all organic, and Aaron's just kind of tagging along so she doesn't get in trouble. And a quick plug.
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Starting point is 01:26:52 LA sparkles shimmering and sparkling. I don't think that's what they call LA. It's something, I don't know. The land where dreams are made. That actually might be. Hollywood. Bollywood. Stop, dude.
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