Bros & Shows - Can You Tell Me How to Get to Sesame Street?- (RHOP s07ep12, RHOM s05ep07, RHOSLC s03ep13)

Episode Date: January 6, 2023

What's up fellow BravBros! On this week's episode we had an extremely disappointing showing from Salt Lake, the Bro's dive into why this season is a flop and why they may not continue on with RHOSLC... Either spill the beans on the black eye or move on! In Miami, Guerdy wants to shake up the group dynamic, Lisa and Lenny's mom have a luncheon date and Adriana is getting ready to film her music video... Finally back in Potomac, the Chris debacle finally comes to a head thanks to some back up from production and Candiace is pushed too far at an evening with the Grande Dame. Time Stamps: RHOSLC (21:46) RHOM(31:29) RHOP(58:59) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brob Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros.

For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shoot scoots-magoots toots. Yeah, that one works. I like that one. I saw somebody on Instagram called us Scooter and Skeeter. So I guess you're a Skeeter now. I would say that Scooter is the closest two shooters, so that makes the most sense to me. Yeah, Skeeter's a cool name, though.

I'll definitely take that for you. I'll take Skeeter. Yeah, Skeeter Valentine. Hey, a little Doug reference. Hell yeah. I fucking love Doug. But we are back. The holidays are officially over.

thank God I'm fucking tired look I love the holidays right I love the moments in the holidays like you get all the family stuff all that good shit but it's so long it is yours was definitely way longer because you had like you were texting me throughout the week I was just checking in doing like you know the normal friend stuff just seeing what's going on you want to play some video games you're like I got another party tonight I'm like it's fucking Tuesday bro and it's also like a week after Christmas and you're like well different families in town I've got this going on that going on so that definitely piles up well So, like, here's the thing.

So, like, I always get Poppy, like, the day after Christmas, right? And so we always plan to have Christmas here. But we have, like, three different families that need to have Christmas with her. So we have legit, like, three Christmases in a row. So my Christmas is the 25th, the 26, the 27th, the 28. And then my brother-in-law got engaged on New Year's Eve. Oh, man. So we had to go.

No, you're supposed to say congratulations. Yeah, I know. But it just piles up. Like, I'm tired after Christmas. And, like, that next week is just a blur. Like, I have no idea what's going on. A lot of people take that week off. And here's a very underrated thing.

Don't take off that week because you do nothing for work. And you can save your PTO days. So everybody else is out of the office. I'm just hanging out at home pretty much doing nothing. If you work with me, disregard that. I did a lot of work that week. I was hustling my butt. I was earning my money.

Wait, does anybody from your office listen to us? I don't think so. And you don't know that for sure. I haven't been stopped yet. And I still like, we talk about this all the time. time like are we going to be noticed like that's how we know when we made it big and it's like a big joke but i have not been noticed in work and i still do think because there are a lot of like our demographic works there and i keep expecting like woman to stop me and be like you're a shooter

from the brav bros and be like yeah can you keep it on the down low i don't want people to know about that let alone my boss because here's what i think about people were like oh wow you've got a successful podcast maybe you're expendable at work we're going to make some cuts let's get rid of that guy but that whole week is just a complete blur and meanwhile you're you still have more parties going yeah i'm like resting and i'm still tired as shit and you're like i've got my third my fourth christmas but it's it's totally i mean obviously it's totally worth it because like it's great to see poppy and like her interact with everybody so like i love it i love the moments right once again the moments are awesome yep but it is it's just long dude it's really long and i got a little

sick towards the end like i had a little tickle in my throat at some point And like a lot of stomach stuff going on, not going to get too far into that one. But, you know, look, I'm just glad it's 2023. We got a new year clean slate. It's 60 degrees out for some reason. Which can't be good. But hey, I'll take it for the day. Definitely not good for my body.

We're talking about the planet. But anyway, it's now time for a little rose and thorn action. But before we get to that, I do want to just give us a quick, you know, plug here. Remember to go to our shop. We got some pretty cool shit on there. Now people kept asking where I got my. cheese steaks, water ice, hoagie's shirt from. And we did a little spin on that. We got the cheese steaks, water ice, hoagies, brav bros. That's what Philly does. So if you want to,

it's not that that's what Philly does part. That's not on there. But if you want to, you know, rep the bros, give us a little support. All the support you guys give us is greatly appreciated. We love the listen. So if you want to rock some of the swag, head to our Etsy shop and get some of it ASAP, Rocky. Nice. Nice. Yeah, I like the people to point it out that we should have out of birds to that. It's like, how many things do you want us to add to this t-shirt? Yeah, no. Like, the t-shirt's just going to be never-ending.

You want it to continue on the back and keep going? Well, that might work. If they are, look, if enough people buy these shirts, maybe every month, I'm just going to add a filly word to it. Yeah. And we're just going to extend it down the front and then we'll go down the back. Yep. Oh, I like that.

I like that. But let's get to our rose and thorn. We had a lot of comments this week. So we got some pretty funny ones. I have a unique one. So I'm going to go last. I want you to go first because mine doubles as both. I love the unique ones.

Yeah, they're the best. You know, we did one last week. They're always so much fun. So I'll go off, a little run on the mill. Go off, Queen. But because we didn't really, obviously we had the live show, we had a lot of things going on with the holidays. We posted a video talking about Lenny, and there was a simple comment on there, and it made me feel good. This one comes from Conflict Resolved on Twitter.

and he said the bros are back with clapping emojis and fuck yeah I mean we didn't go anywhere but it's always nice that people are happy that we're back like anytime we post something new they're like hell yeah

you guys are back it's like we're here every week yeah we didn't go anywhere you can listen I mean you know what maybe people do miss us throughout the week and they're like

you know I really wish the brab bros were here like maybe we should do two episodes a week we'll get into that at some point but it's just nice to be wanted it feels good to be wanted yeah so for my I guess I kind of have no I'm just going to go with this one and it's a weird

thorn it's not really pointing at us it's not mean to us or anything like that and I can actually mention the name here okay this one comes from Laviana Hampton I assume I said that right I feel like I've got a touch of the steelitis here but she said he'll end up like shack alone in the mansion no wife no kids alone and that made me really sad because I really like Shaq. I really like Shaq too. Comparing Shaq to Lettie is brutal. Now, maybe I don't know what Shaq did with his wife.

Like maybe he cheated on his wife and I'm just not privy to that information. But Shaq's still on TV and I really like them. So when I saw that comment, I'm like, damn, that's sad. I didn't know there was Shaq drama. I didn't know. I don't know if there's Shaq drama, but apparently he's divorced and his kids don't live there and he just has a huge mansion. But he does have a big house. You know why I know he has a big house?

Because of the MTV Chris. Yeah, because of MTV. He's got the Superman bed. He's got the Superman logo all over his house. Oh, yeah. Remember when he had that semi-truck that was turned into like a personal truck? Did you ever see that? And he pulled up and that had the Superman logo on it too.

That was awesome. Yeah, I would 100% get that truck. For sure. If I was Shaq, the man of steel. Hint, hint. Get it? So mine comes from Twitter and I have a confession to make. So I'm not like Twitter savvy.

I never really did Twitter like throughout my. whole life. All right. Like I dabbled in it briefly like 10 years ago. And because of this, like you run the Twitter. I just like, I legit go on maybe every three or four days because you usually send me the updates. So I don't really need to dive into Twitter. I just found out about quote tweets. Oh. Oh yeah. So I was going down a rabbit hole. I was going to like our beginning videos all the way to now. I'm like, wow, there's a lot more shit on here than I thought. I thought that people were way nicer. Yeah.

But I did find one that I thought was really funny because it kind of mirrors a lot of comments that we get from people that, quote, unquote, don't like us. Yeah. So at Normal Girl vibes, this is like a tweet about people not liking us commenting on Housewife shows because they're straight dudes. I just don't like them because they be recycling what women say on social media

about the show, then act like its original thought that they came up with. It's not their place at all. she then later goes on to comment again and says I mean personally I think she was foul for that story but I don't understand why focus on her being a terrible person like gee didn't abandon his family so this is this one's like tough for me because in the first tweet

she says it's not our place to say anything like we're just recycling shit and then the second tweet she immediately agrees with us yeah so I mean I guess kind of shade but like not really because you're agreeing with what we're saying and also by the way we're really not recycling shit No, honestly, like, we don't, to be honest, like, I'll pay attention to, like, people that we're friends with, like creators that we're friends with and really just like the facts of what's going on. I don't really care what other people are saying. Like, when I'm scrolling through Twitter, I'm not reading other people's tweets because I don't really care that much.

No, it's, but we have our own opinions. And with that, it's like, no, that's just pretty straightforward. It's a fucked up situation. So, like, we just said that. We didn't recycle anything. It's just, this is fucked up. So we said it is. I also just think that that confirms that no matter what we say, even when they fully agree with us, they're not going to like us because of who we are, because we're just straight men dissecting housewives and they're like, you don't belong here.

Although you did make a good point, but also you don't belong here. So I'm going to bash you. It's like, you know what? I'm going to take that part where you said that we were correct. And I'm going to ignore the other one. Yeah. I'm ignoring the other part because I'm compartmentalizing. Yeah.

But my full-blown rose, I do have one more because this one just made me laugh because I don't know what this is. know what the difference is maybe you can enlighten me okay this is from linsagrams on tic-tok and she commented i hope lennie gets night diarrhea every night until he shits himself to death wow what the fuck is why do you think that i would enlighten you on that do i think that i look like a guy who has night diarrhea i don't want to answer that question i'm just what is what's the difference i think it's when you sleep it's sleeping right okay that's what i thought yeah i guess so that's what i figured night diary is a better name than sleep diarrhea i It pulls off the tongue a little bit better.

I'm going to use that. I got a case of the night diarrhea. I had you sleep last night. I didn't really. Night diarrhea. Got me again. Ah, you know that damn night diarrhea. Welcome to the bra.

See, the bros are back. But that takes us into the Bravo news. We've got some, one's kind of heavy. And they just announced this week that Martina Navratilova actually has, two forms of cancer. I believe one's throat and one is lung. Is that correct? Something like that. Yeah. And apparently she had, I think, throat cancer before and went in the permission. And now it's back. So that sucks. We obviously, you know, like you said, we just got in Miami. It doesn't really change a whole lot. You know, obviously we wish her the best. It just sucks. It really sucks.

You know, she's like the queen of Wimbledon. I looked it up after we watched the first one. I know she has like a ton of grand slams. I know she was like. I think she's like 18. grand slants like she's like second or third to serrated yeah like she is one of the greatest of all time in tennis and the good thing about that you know she's strong as shit right like she is a tremendous athlete so hopefully she kicks the shit out of this we are thinking about you thoughts and prayers fees and peas tees and peas martina i hope we get better soon but moving on to the next one i'm sure everybody that is listening has seen this on social media we had a little Lisa and Lenny showdown in the nightclub.

Lisa was out at a club and actually saw Lenny there with his mistress. And when she confronted her, this was the worst part to me. So she confronted her about this whole thing and I called her a homewreck her, blah, blah, blah. The chick looks at her and like licks her lips. Like she's like relishing in the fact that she wrecked her home. Yeah. And so I saw the video and this was, I think, maybe the day or two before the episode aired. Now, I thought that this was like new.

new video and everything here obviously we saw it unfold on the show when lisa was sitting down with her mother-in-law ex-mother-in-law whatever you want to call it and she was talking about that interaction so this happened back like the week after they broke up oh wow i just put that together yeah and this is kind of what happens every once in a while where like bravo will kind of hold on to things say you can't release that let's wait till the show so like it gets a little bit more of a drop blah blah blah whatever i guess i Yes, it makes sense, but at the same time, it's just like, this woman is a homewrecker, and she's ruining your life. And obviously, Lenny's ruining your life. Drop it whenever the fuck you want. Like, Bravo shouldn't be able to tell someone, hey, why don't you wait until the show airs? It'll get, like, more publicity. Like, no, it's like six months later. Like, do it right then and there while your feelings are still hot.

It might make you feel a little bit better and make other people realize because they talk about it on the show that Lenny is doing this because people will call him out in public. Like, he's whatever. I don't know what the fuck. we're talking about, but they said he's a public figure, I guess. This is why I fucking hate Miami. He's a plastic surgeon in Miami. So he's a public figure. Like, fuck off. It's just stupid shit like that that bothers me. I've got, I've got a lot to unpack here because you just light bulb a lot of things. My brain is running at like a snail's pace right now. So things are going to come out slowly. This might be a jumbled episode where I throw shit out randomly.

But it will make sense. So give me a sec. With the Lenny thing. All right. And with her holding off on posting this video. That actually does sort of make sense to me. All right. And a lot of people commented this and mentioned this. So if she's going through a divorce, right? And Lenny is the main breadwinner of the family. I don't know what Lisa brings in.

I'm sure she does bring a decent amount in for herself. But I would imagine that this housewives check is probably a big portion of that now. And if producers are saying to her, hey, wait, because this is going to get more of a buzz if we drop it during the season, that might actually deter her from posting it. in the moment because she's like, oh, now I've got to really think about my job because I need to make money because I'm going to be a single mom, right? So that makes sense. However, on the Lenny side of things, and first, before I even get to that, let me clear

something up that we both need to clear up, or at least I'm not going to speak for you. But in this whole scenario, all right, we don't really know what Lisa is like as a wife, okay? We've never claimed to. We don't know how the marriage was. I'm not saying that she was a saint. I'm not saying that the marriage wasn't maybe falling apart, but regardless of that, the way that Lenny is handling it, unforgivable, like absolutely unforgivable, because you have kids involved, all right, like you're creating this whole scene and you're throwing everything away

and whether it was there to save or not, if you want to be with somebody else, do it the right way, get a divorce, and then be with them. Don't get with this woman. And then brag on social media on one hand you're trying to say like oh i'm the victim like you don't know the real lease and on the other hand you're posting oh it's really hard to have a girlfriend and a wife so who do you want to fucking be buddy you're a scumbag you're a dirt bag we all see it it doesn't matter if the marriage was shitty how you're handling the situation makes you a piece of shit forever so go fuck yourself lenny well he actually posted something i don't know if it was it was within the last week because obviously now he's doing if you want to call it damage control you

can but he posted last week pretty much explaining that whole scenario that you just brought up you don't know who lisa is behind closed doors she used to belittle me she used to tell me even when i did something right that i was doing it wrong and it just sounds like gripes of a sad piece of shit honestly he's having a midlife crisis yeah i mean you have kids you obviously have a pretty stressful job i think you're not exactly like a brain surgeon you know you're doing this whatever i'll leave that one to the side but your gripes about this just sounds like maybe some fixable things that you can deal with and instead you just tuck your tail between your legs and run the other way and kick your wife

the mother of your children out of the fucking house nothing you're doing is correct so i don't really understand the people we had a couple of comments that were like you don't understand what lisa is like behind closed doors like you said it's irrelevant it's irrelevant because even what lenny said isn't even close to what he's doing to her that's my yeah exactly just facts. That's not like, we're not blowing anybody's mind with this. We're not, this isn't contentious. We're not Lisa Stans, by the way. We just got into the show. I don't even know. Well, I think I might be a Lisa stand at this point. I mean, after all this shit, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I said it last week. Like, I wanted to keep watching because I felt bad for

Lisa. So he's just a piece of shit. So, like, I don't care. And any of those people that are saying, you don't know what Lisa is like behind closed doors. They're supporting Lenny. So by proxy, that makes you a piece of shit. So congratulations. Welcome to the Piece of Shit Club. host Lenny the POSC yeah but yeah it's I just don't get it and you know what I don't care well I don't want to see him anymore so I'll make you feel better I'll make you feel better okay so this was the other part of it that I wanted unpack we had somebody reach out and I won't name any names but uh somebody reached out and Lenny has multiple lawsuits against him I guess people of filed suits for bad surgeries,

boss surgeries, whatever. That's what they said. You know, you know, listen to me. This person got surgery from Lenny. And it was so bad that they had to get it fixed by a different surgeon.

They had nothing but horrible things to say about it. You know what? He was probably out of the club until like one o'clock in the morning and then had to go in at 7 a.m. to fix whatever the hell he had to fix. He probably did a rail off of a fake boob in the office.

They was about to implant in a woman. We're not, we're not holding anything back who the fuck knows what's going on he sucks and he's a shitty surgeon on top of all of that i say all of these lawsuits on top of whatever leases bringing him for some sort of lawsuit i'm sure if not multiple bankrupt to the guy because fuck him that's why yeah and the last couple things we need to touch on are salt lake related which is perfect because then we're going to roll right into our extremely brief recap of salt lake so brief but the first one is um our good friend zach brought it to our attention via the Bravo docket,

which is another great podcast that covers all the legal side of the Bravo stuff. They dive into it. They're actually attorneys. So all those people that tell us that, hey, you're not lawyers, no shit. These people actually are. I'm sure they have a lot of work, too, because there is a lot of legal shit that happened. A ton of legal shit.

So anyway, it came out that there's more evidence being presented against Jen Shaw or the FBI wants to present this. They're applying to the judge to have it admitted in court. but something came out from Nevada that's a restraining order and a police report against Jen Shaw I guess she was swinging with another couple or something

and she got physical with the dude and to the point where they had to call the police filed a police report and got a restraining order from her so the big thing that was kind of I guess you could say in her favor and that's using that term very loosely was that she had a lot of character witnesses

like her family and friends are saying no she's a saint she's a saint yeah yeah Oh, but this, so this, once again, we see more and more evidence coming out. Like, no, Jen Shaw truly is just not a good person. Like, she is just rotten to her core. So, like, I'm excited for Friday. I can't wait for Friday.

So they put an end to this thing. Seriously, though. And I did see something that TMZ reported after, I guess, whenever that information dropped or was leaked from, whenever that information was dropped or leaked from whatever source. TMZ then reported that supposedly what happened was Jen Shaw was hooking up with another woman's husband. They didn't confirm or deny that the other woman was involved, but the other woman wanted to, or took screenshots rather, and sent them to Coach Shaw. So Coach Shaw, now there's no, again, no confirmation that he knows, but you kind of see it

tonight, and like you said, this does lead into our recap, which is going to be very brief, you kind to see it tonight that her gen in front of coach shaw is a completely different person i know doesn't start shit she keeps her cool and she acts like everything's okay like lisa came over and she's like do you like me tonight and she's like yes of course i like you i always love you no that's definitely not true we can see it on the footage that it's absolutely not true but when coach is there all the sudden she's a nice person so i do hope because i do kind of like coach shot and like when he is on when he is on the screen I like his moments

I feel like he's an inspirational dude he's a good football coach and all that I really want him to be out of this but it's just so tough dude no did you see there was a text yeah there was a text chain with him

or he wasn't involved but he was he's referenced he was referenced a bunch of times about like coach shah will take care of this you know we got to ask him about the phrasing things like that so if I mean he's helping her perjure

in court, I think that kind of makes him guilty. And then he's probably, he's not going to face time, but that's probably like fines and stuff and he'll probably lose his job. We don't know. We don't know what's going to happen. We're not lawyers again. But we can speculate all day. We're good speculators.

Yeah, we're absolutely good speculators. That's what makes us good at our job. But that leads us directly into one of the worst housewives episodes I think I've ever seen. And I think it's probably because. I was going into it with such low hopes and expectations. And not only did it not meet those low hopes and expectations, it underperformed. Isn't that the worst? Dude.

It's like, yeah, it's like when you go to a movie and you have absolutely no expectations and it slightly does better than that. And you're like, you know what? That wasn't so bad. Like I did that actually with the Rocks movie, Black Adam, the other day. I got a new TV and I wanted to watch it. And I was like, this has really good effects. It's in ultra HD 4K.

We just got a new 4K TV. So I'm like, let's just try this bad way out. Yeah. Well, you know, I moved. We have more rooms than we're used to. We have to buy TVs for everything. That's how it goes. Reasonable adult money expenditures.

Me and Colleen may have, you know, gone overboard. Things happen. Reasonable TVs in every room. That's what every adult has. Adult money, baby. But I was watching that and I had no expectations for it. I came away and I'm like, you know what? This actually really wasn't that bad of a watch.

That is not what happened with this show. I went in the same way. Like, if this sucks, I think I tweeted it out right before. If this sucks and we hear nothing and we get no comment. confirmation on this stupid black eye we're the we're out we're going to replace it with soho or something i'm not fucking around though and that like that's exactly what had and i knew about five minutes in that's when i knew it about because they were still in san diego for what three minutes like is that necessary i guess because what dana did but like stupid but that so here's

my biggest issue with the whole entire episode okay you have two major major plot points right There's two things that would actually be captivating and interesting to hear about. One, allow the cast to dig into Jen and pull some shit out of her. Allow them to keep setting her off to the point where she either snaps or like spills the beans or whatever. But the fact that they have to tiptoe around this woman constantly, and they're constantly pointing the camera towards Heather to talk about her black eye. And then that doesn't get talked about. So the two sitting next to each other, the one with the black eye and the one that is about to go to prison,

we're not talking about them. Yeah. Instead, we're talking about Lisa's fucking SEC filing, which is so not news at all. And we're like dragging ass to this whole episode. And what the producers don't seem to get is if you present us with these two major points that we want answers to,

I'm not going to give two shits about anything else that's happening. I'm not going to care because it's not the main plot line. You've given us these two giant teasers that you're dangling in front of us for fucking the whole season so far. with no answers at all. So I'm fucking done. I'm so fed up. It was so boring.

We got to go to like merit of this fashion show, which is for a great cause. And my man Alex, who's in recovery, I guess, good for him. I'd love to see that. You know that.

But I could have done without all of it. I feel like I wasted 45 minutes of my life, plus 15 minutes for commercials. Yeah. No, that's a really good point. And it did like, it kind of bummed me out a little bit because we did get a little bit.

because we did get a little bit of that where the logic finally won someone over. And it's a new person. And Dana actually rose to the occasion, which is more than I can say for pretty much anybody else on the show. And she just started poking questions at Jen. She brought up her source, which we now know to be true, that there was an informant that's giving them information about Jen's businesses and all of the wrongdoings. And she then asks everybody around, why is no one asking her about this?

Yeah, I appreciate that. it's almost like everybody else got a memo and Whitney actually explained it a little bit. She's like, look, we have to like tiptoe around this because we're either going to get Jen ticked off and she's going to come at us or we're going to listen, we have to like tiptoe around this. Either we're going to tick off Jen by asking questions, but we really want to know what's going on with her. We just don't know how to go about it. And that's pretty much like our relationship with Jen. It sounds fucking terrible. It's like she's holding them hostage as friends and I just don't understand it.

And Dana finally calls them all on their bullshit. They're like, why is no one asking this? Like, why is no one asking her what's going on? She's probably guilty. All of these people are pleading guilty. No one's going to say anything to her about this because you're afraid of her. Like, that's how all of us feel. And Jen, of course, storms off and freaks out right away, which means that she's fucking guilty.

I don't care about the court proceedings. Like the innocent until proven guilty, she pled guilty. So fuck it. Whatever. Who cares? But this whole show, you're right. Like, that's what we want. We want to see the downfall of Jen.

we want to see people call her out for her shit and find out what happened and then we've got the heather's stupid black eye which now i guess we're thinking that jen caused because she's leaving this like weird trail of breadcrumbs let lead back to jen and angie harrington of all people calls her out on it and it's just so dumb like i just don't care anymore we're not getting definite answers we're just seeing jen kind of like move around as if she's still free but she's obviously going to jail it's just stupid and none of the characters are like at least is great Lisa is great. Lease is great, but everybody else sucks. It's stupid. So here's my theory, all right? And then we're moving on from this because I don't want to waste any more time. I'd rather talk about Miami and Potomac. But with the whole Heather thing, all right? And Dev and I talked about it a lot tonight because we were talking the whole episode because it's so fucking boring. But here's my thought. And you can kind of see it with how she's treating Whitney, all right? The first thought I had, I think that she knows that this is not that big of a story. I think that she fucked up. and, like, put her foot in her mouth, and I don't think that this reveal is going to be that, like, awe-inspiring. I don't think we're a big. That's on Bravo's producers. I fully agree. That's them just completely missing it.

I fully agree with that. I fully agree. But the other thing is, so Heather, you saw it briefly, right? Like in the first couple of episodes where you're like, wow, Heather's great. Okay, that's the Heather that we all know from seasons one and two. I think that she thinks she's such hot shit that, like, everybody loves her regardless. She got followed by, like, Rihanna. Like, there's, like, she made a major buzz in her first couple of seasons because she was so

likable. And I think now she's trying to gain that back and she's struggling so bad the season. And she's, like, floundering and trying to figure out how to be cool and fun. And, like, I think she's just, like, stuck in the toxic sludge that is Jen Chow. I agree. And she just doesn't know how to operate anymore. That bathroom scene was bizarre. Yeah.

That was so strange. I was like, I felt, like, cringy. I was like, what are you doing? like Meredith doesn't know what you're talking about at all like no one knows what happened and they're not just not saying it like no one knows what happened and you're standing in the bathroom with Jen and like I got your back you know I got your back I'm loyal and she starts like fake smacking Jen's ass or something yeah she did say one thing that was kind of damming for Jen which was pretty much what you just said everybody knows it but they're just not saying it so why don't

we just tell them Jen and Jen just looks at her like blankly yeah so I think that like Like, Jen caused it just, if you guys were just drunk and, like, wrestling or something, just fucking say it. Just fucking say it. And look, we already have this new information coming out from 2019 that Jen probably has, like, aggravated assault against her for this other man or woman, whoever the hell she hit. And nothing you say is going to do anything wrong. So who the hell cares? Look, it's just stupid. It is.

And the way that she's treating Whitney makes no sense because Whitney decided to take some space from a friendship that wasn't doing. great. Yeah. And be an adult about the situation, like, Whitney's grown up a little bit and like, this is bad for me. I'm stepping back so we can figure this out. This is good for me and for you because we can give our friendship some space and come back together. And also makes a really good point. Like if you and I had a falling out over some bullshit and we're at odds, right? And you had like a real issue. Like if you showed up with like a big shiner or like something was wrong in your life, even if we were still at odds, I'd be like, dude, what's going on? Like, of course I want to know what's going on because like at the end of the day I love you.

Like, I want to help. Yeah. And that is the relationship that they had. So for her to sit there and then, like, gaslight the situation and be like, well, you're not a true friend. And, like, I wouldn't tell you. You didn't even, like, want to know. I didn't think it was that important to you because we were on a friendship break.

And then all she wants to do is ask her about the black eye. And she's like, oh, well, I don't know if I can tell you that. Well, you just said that she didn't think it was important. Then she asks, and you don't think it's important to tell her. So what do you want? We talked about it when we had Crystal on the show a couple of weeks ago. Do they know them being the housewives? Do they understand kind of how the season's going for them?

And what do they think and how do they change things? You got to think that Heather thinks that she's being funny or like, not iconic. This is where I lean into my theory. It's just such bullshit. And again, like obviously Bravo production has a lot to do with it because they're probably feeding it being like, oh, let's keep this black eye thing going because we've got nothing else. No one wants to confront Jen. Nobody's going to do anything with that.

So let's just run with this black eye story. That should keep people captivated. And then you've got Heather being like, okay, I'll be the star of the show with my black eye. Let me just keep this running. And it's like, no, it's just fucking dumb. It's a terrible storyline. We're over it. And you're going to lose viewership because next week, watch it plummet.

Oh, it's going to dive so hard next week. And we're not even really going to cover it next week. No. We weren't lying. And we stand by our words. Yeah. So, but the last thing that like this made me laugh, when Meredith walks into her kitchen and her two kids are sitting there, just because they all sounded exactly the same,

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You'll be fine. Yeah, we're good. But we start out in the bus ride. We touched on it last week a little bit. And the Gertie situation where, you know, Gertie is speaking up about how she feels about Lisa's marriage. And we touched on it really quick. It's kind of touch and go.

I do want to get your opinion now that we know these women a little bit better. Do you feel like Gertie has the right there to speak up and say, hey, this is what I would do? Like, you need to do this for your kids. Like, that's your family. And then for the other women to kind of check her and be like, well, you haven't been divorced. So like, what do you know? Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of with the other women, to be honest. Like, in a situation that's so horrific and life changing, you kind of just have to be supportive.

You kind of just have to be there to listen to what Lisa wants to say. what she's going through, if she asks for advice and says, how would you handle this, then you can give advice. Unsolicited advice in a situation, really any situation sucks, but in a situation like this significant, no one's asking for it. It's just like it's not the right time and nobody really cares. It's sort of like when somebody's telling a story in the entire time, you're just waiting for the time for you to tell a story about yourself, essentially, that you can

relate to. and it's just like, no, she's going through something traumatic. Let her vent, let her tell you everything that's going on, give some reactions, give a lot of support, and then if somebody asks for advice, then you give this advice. So I'm with the other women in this regard. Okay. Counterpoint. Okay.

With everything you just said, I feel like all of the women are offering a lot of very bold unsolicited advice. Oh, they are. Yeah. And we talked about it a couple times. I mean, this is a theme running through the show just because, you know, when these women aren't going through it themselves, they have a lot to say about it and they're really tough about it. They're all so steadfast like, oh, I would do this. I would do that. Like, none of you know.

I mean, there are a couple that have gone through similar scenarios. Those women can speak on it. The other women that are like coming in so hard and being like, well, you need to do this, you need to do that. I'm with you. I think that they all need to take a step back and just give her like a shoulder to cry on. let her get through this shit i don't think she's at the point yet i just think that gertie is is sort of taking center stage and she's doing it the most yeah that's fair so it's and it's a little and like she hasn't gone through it so really her advice isn't great because she hasn't gone through

that experience now if you know larsa did it like alexia did it whoever whoever's gone through a tough breakup a tough divorce you can kind of give a little bit of information but again it's still unsolicited advice so you have to know when to stop yeah that's that's a good point Lisa's reaction to it because if Lisa wants more, she's going to ask for more, then you can keep going. But you're right. I mean, and we kind of see this in show after show after show. There is a lot of just like unnecessary intermingling. Like the fact that Alexia had that guy's marriage certificate, Tieri's marriage certificate, which again, doesn't really show anything because even Gertie said, I'm pretty sure that gets renewed or restored every three years. And he said it's

almost been three years since we got divorced. Oh, I thought that was like a joke. is it could have been a joke honestly but still she came ready like adriana talked to this guy he said he's not married he's been divorced for a couple of years and we're jumping around but it's whatever and alexie was like well i've got documentation right here i was hoping that you were going to say that and here you go and it's just like stop like some people do have to figure out life for themselves you can't always just insert yourself into that situation give advice or tell people what to do it just doesn't really work and it's kind of annoying and not a good trait no I agree.

And with the Tierra, is it Tieri? Yeah. With the Tieri thing, here's where I have a hard time believing that he's still married. We saw his face in the show. That's what I was thinking. You know what I mean? Then I was like, wait, so like his name's Tierra. Maybe he's from France.

Maybe he's married in France. But Alexia said that she looked through the Miami public record. So he lives in Miami. Or was at least married in Miami. Or was at least married in Miami. Exactly. And maybe he lives there or whatever. But again, like you said, his face was on the show.

His name is on the show. right somebody somewhere is going to be like holy shit that so-and-so's husband yeah oh my god teary i had dinner with him and his wife last week like that's where i didn't add up for me and i just thought okay if he is actually married this doesn't really track and if he's going to take the time the one sketchy thing obviously he's ignored the phone call but i i think that was a production thing it probably wasn't that big of a deal i know that goes through the back of my mind way too off you know what i mean so could that have played maybe but he does go on speakerphone and say, no, I've been divorced for almost three years now.

So I guess we'll find out. I thought that was kind of weird. That whole situation where she was talking to him on the phone and then she said, hold on, I'm going to put him on speaker, but like probably didn't mute him because she probably didn't mute him. No, I doubt that she needed him. Put him on speaker and then like he knows now he's on speaker. So obviously he's going to say that. Oh, interesting.

It's, I don't know. I still think he's probably not married for the reasons that you just brought up. Like he's on the show, his face is there, his name there. somebody's going to point it out and it's going to be really bad for him unless maybe he's in an open marriage but i don't know there's just so much digging you're really getting deep i know but it's just not worth it and i just don't think that alexia should insert herself and be like hey i found out that he actually was married like i have a google guy who has a google i really like this episode honestly because it was like once again you get the tumultuousness right and like you get

the the event happen if you will and we see that in other housewife shows and and that happens, like, right before the credits roll, right? Like, the credits are about to roll. Then the thing happens, and the credits roll. We got to wait until next week. We see them all kind of budding heads somewhat at lunch. I think Gertie was the main proprietor of that because she's kind of just saying, like, there's a hierarchy to this group, and I'm going to break it down.

Like, this will no longer be this way. It's going to be a square rectangle, which actually weirdly works because a rectangle is technically a square. Oh, shit, is a square rectangle? It's a rectangle. Okay. So it does, regardless, technically work. And... Because of that, you know, Alexia goes in to say, and it's funny that you say Alexa needs to butt out as well, because Alexia is the one that's saying like Gertie just needs like keep out of things.

She always inserts herself and she makes these weird faces. I never know if she's thinking, which is true. She'll say one thing and then make a face like she's talking about something totally different. Yeah, that's definitely true. But you just kind of see everybody at odds and there's still tension from the Russian prostitute thing. But we get Fernando, who needs to be the shaman in every show. this is our first successful shaman interaction that we've had where every cast member's involved everybody takes part everybody comes away with like some cathartic experience where they feel like

they've grown from it and then they're all hugging and laughing and loving and i was like fuck yeah fernando you crushed this shit you loved fernando was great i was laughing at him the whole time but like i don't know like the the camera crew rolls up and he's his shirts unbuttoned and he's just like sitting back with his arms back and like the wind's blowing through his hair and he's just like gyrating around and shit like he knew where the cameras were I think that's exactly what he does every single time don't get me wrong oh yeah but it played so well for the camera and I just thought it was so funny and then when they started like actually breaking down and crying and everybody took part and everybody was like there for each other I was like you know

what that is actually a good moment for the housewives you know I struggle with emotions like that But I keep looking back at Fernando and I'm like, how the fuck did this guy, this fucking guy, get them to actually partake in this? Because we've seen way better like, well, I guess better equipped shaman or well versed if you were. Yeah. And I there has to be a shaman episode or some sort of like sound bathing or whatever sound baths. Sound bathing. I mean, I guess if you're sound bathing you're at a sound bath. Yeah. Yeah. So that works. There has to be one of those episodes in every franchise like pretty much like. bi-seasonally like at least every other season just give me a little sound bath because it's fun it always provokes something this wasn't necessarily fun it was just i guess like a nice moment to

see them be human because there's so many scenes where you're like i just think you're so fucking out of touch and then you see that they're actually going through things you're like all right that brings me down a little bit yeah i like when we're able to relate to them more i did think it was so funny that like marisol who has become one of my favorites after did you see her flask no oh my god her flasks says cockies, Paris, and it looks like the Chanel logo, but it says cocky's on top. Oh, my God. She has it's like bedazzled and black. Yeah, she's great, but it just like the humble brag of like, I heal myself, but like I'm so glad

that I could like share this with you guys and like I want to teach you guys like, well, well, you're crying too. Yeah. He's shaman do you as well, Marisol. Also, we know how you deal with your things. Yeah. You have a cocky. Yeah, you have a cocky.

We know. You have openly said that you just drink all day, which is fine. If you're going to like buy into it, then sure. it's funny to an extent but let's throw that out there yeah as we're covering alcoholic you know it has it downfalls but I just that was a funny moment

where she's like yeah I know I got this but like I'm glad you guys could figure it out but I know I genuinely enjoyed that entire scene and the episode kind of ends or at least gets towards the end Adriana has a music video she says she's been singing for eight years and now this is where I have to question is this an actual singing career or is I say housewife singing career

the housewife singing career that's what i thought for sure because i've never i've never heard one of her song yeah like candace is is like a real singing career she's up and coming yeah i mean she's on a track with trina like she's she's actually that's legit yeah yeah this is like even some of the girls didn't know i think that she had a a song or music video from like eight years ago but the funny thing is and this is what made me question it immediately was like they show up for you know their choreography to learn the dances half the girls don't even show up because like oh i mean we we can probably figure it out when we get there and i want to know the director's background dude he came in hot he was livid i was gonna i was like this guy's got to be a

fucking joke like and it turned completely around on me it looked like he takes his job very seriously i appreciate that there's like a weird there's definitely a weird imbalance there he looks like he takes his job very seriously the choreographer looks like he takes his job very seriously. How about this? How about you hire maybe some professional backup dancers? Why do you need to have all the housewives there just to probably drum up a little more interest? That's a recurring theme. It's dumb. I know. I agree. But that has happened. But that's like when you ask you're like, do you think this is legit or do you think it's a housewife singing career? It's absolutely a housewife singing career because of that. Yeah. If it was legit like we saw with Candace in her music

video, everybody's professional there. Here, you get the director walking in and he's pissed off. He's Are you fucking kidding me? Like, why are these people not here? Why didn't we hire backup dancers? Like, why do we have to have these completely unreliable women who were just going to come in tomorrow, hungover, tired, not really into it and not know any of the dance moves? And all of them sitting at lunch were just like, well, yeah, I know how to dance. Yeah, well, Larson said she's not going to be in it. Yeah, Larson is not going to be in it, which I respect more than somebody like Alexia who's like, I know how to dance.

Yeah, I'll figure it out. Yeah, like, no, you probably won't. It's probably going to be terrible. It's a choreograph dance. and it brought me back. As you know, I was born in Texas, and I went to junior college in Texas when I got drafted. But to mention, you also had a little bit of an acting career for yourself, too. In Texas?

No. Oh, yeah. You were in the players. Yeah, I was in the players. That's right. Did you forget about that? Yeah. It looks like I just brought up a new memory for you.

No, honestly, you just made me lose my train of thought. I was trying to figure out what I was talking about. Oh, okay. I got it. But when I was down there, when we went out, we either went to somebody's property because it's like bum fuck west texas and we'd go out and like drink at my buddy have like a lease and we go out there and like drink on his property shoot some music videos yeah we'd shoot some music videos you know cowboy pop but uh or wondering how this is time in i'll get there don't worry baby

bird i'll feed you but we would also go to like honky talks like cowboy bars and we would yeah so this reminded me like if you go on a weekend there are line dancers and it's the whole dance floor now they rehearse on Thursday nights so if you don't know the steps and you step out onto that floor you will get the shit kicked out of you like it's not a joke and you walk out there and like I was you know a little tuned up one night and I didn't know the steps and I walk out that I'm trying to like two step and like do the the step I think it was copperhead road okay which I know now but I bumped into this dude and he threw me off the dance floor like into a table I knocked over a bunch of beers like it's a serious shit so that that immediately i was like oh she better learn the

choreography she's getting thrown off the dance floor yeah i mean they might they might just start bumping into each other who knows but the episode kind of gets tied up with uh we get a lunch between lisa and lenny's mom which i think is interesting i think that helps paint this picture even more of just kind of what this situation really is and once again how the marriage was how Lisa was as a wife. We can't comment on. We don't know enough. But what we can say is this whole thing has been a shit show because of Lenny. And his mom is sitting there saying like, yeah, he's having a midlife crisis. Like this is a disaster. Like he's treating me like shit. He's treating you like shit. What about the children? Like if your mother has to ask your soon to be ex-wife about her grandchildren, you're fucking up. Yeah. And that's when we get like the little snippet. I had no idea like eight years ago. I guess there was another incident in which Lenny was stepping out on her. This is not the first time. And when Lisa confronted him the first time, he said to her, like, I don't love you anymore. So that's when we get the girls kind of chiming in.

We get some like cut scenes or whatever to them saying, like, one, they never liked Lenny. And that seems to be a general sentiment across the board. See, but that's an easy thing to say. Sure, sure. And like, I'd like to go back and review the tapes. You know, I want to see these people's reactions and interactions with Lenny throughout the years. And then I'll be the judge of that. Well, the guy threw lingerie parties at his house with his wife eight years ago.

So I can't imagine he was great back then either. Oh, no, no. I didn't mean that. I meant I want to see the interactions between Marisol and him because she was very steadfast and I never liked him. Pretty much everybody that said, I never liked him. I want to go back and watch their interactions. Okay, that makes more sense. Yeah, yeah.

Got to watch the game film, you know? Yeah, you're right, you're right. And it's also, I mean, to your point, it's also easy to say, you know, they're all saying they're like, you know, this has been going on for a while, like, she should have known. and like I've always known and like it's easy outside looking in to say that especially out to the fact but I thought the cherry on top was we see an Instagram post from his new lady and it's a hundred thousand dollar watch that Lisa also has yeah like not only you're taking a dig financially you are also taking a dig at something that you bought for your ex-wife yeah and Larson said that he bought her a bunch of purses and stuff too yeah it's just it's such a shitty look and if you want to then go on Instagram and say, whoa, is me. You don't know the real Lisa. Yeah.

Like, look in the fucking mirror, pal. But we are back in Potomac with my favorite ladies, and we have a live show with the Grand Dom that we will get to. But I wanted to start out with, we've been getting, obviously, a lot of chatter amongst the ladies of Potomac about whatever this relationship is between Jackie, I guess I'm calling our Jackie now. I think you're just getting warmed up in a jersey.

I can't fucking wait. I can't wait. But for Jacqueline, Mia, and G. Daddy are sitting down and they're sharing a glass of wine. They're discussing what was discussed after reasonably shady's live show. And it does not help clear the air at all because there's a lot of sexual innuendos the whole time. Like, G. Daddy's on the right. Jacqueline's in the middle. Mia's on the left.

And he's like, well, I don't want to be here. She's like, oh, do you want to be in between? Like, oh, I never want to be in between. Yeah, there was a lot of weird, like, sexual tension. Yeah. Although I do kind of disagree with it. I feel like they somehow put to bed the rumors that Jacqueline and G. Daddy did hook up. I didn't get that at all.

I got. That's what I got from it. Now, they were at the very least a little more definitive when it's just the three of them sitting there than they were the week before. I don't understand why in the setting where Giselle is kind of grilling both of you trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Why you don't just use real answers? like why are you using all these big things like I think and again I think it just goes back to Mia where Mia is just like well always in the back of her head like this could be a good storyline let me just leave this little open ended let's just like not be definitive on this and it's just like no nobody

really cares like why don't you just answer the damn question no you're you're leading to more and more speculation and the more speculation there is the more likely people are going to believe that there is a thruple scenario happening here and I don't think that that cleared up anything I think that Glenn has this weird affinity for G-Daddy where she keeps, like, asking him if, like, he loves her. And it's just the whole thing was, even Mia took that weird. She's like, well, he loves you because he loves me. I even thought that she was kind of like, all right, hold up. And when she said that, and this goes back to, I don't know why, but like, I remember everything

that Mia says, because I just want to catch her in her lies. Yeah, that's bad. I just dislike her so much that if you remember, she said that she's the breadwinner. Oh, oh, G-Daddy's not the breadwinner. I make so much more. He doesn't even matter. But here, Jacqueline had to ask for a down payment from him. So why wouldn't she ask from her best friend if she could ask from her best friend's husband?

One, that opens the door again for the weird sexual relationship that's going on. Two, that shuts down your whole, I'm the breadwinner. I make so much more money than he does. He doesn't even matter. No, I think that's, you've got that a little bit backwards. She calls him a sugar daddy. Yeah. Which, you know, that completely derail.

your whole entire argument that you're the breadwinner in the family. Clearly, this man makes some kind of money where you can put a down payment down on a Porsche that he's not driving for a friend of his wife's. Sketchy. And another thing, just complete financial irresponsibility. I was going through a hard time. I didn't really have money to do

things. I was going through a hard breakup. So let me get a Porsche. She said I was spending too much money. So let me get a Porsche. What are you still? You know what? Whatever. You got to live that life. Have fun. Yeah, it doesn't sound that fun but we get to the p y t dinner with ashley and you can just tell right off the jump that

they're just scheming this crew sits together and they scheme they come up with with things to do and say like they're all just they seem like a group of high school girls and like even jazelle was uncomfortable with them and like she's probably the biggest schemer in the group i know and she although ashley's now apparently taking that title ashley woof i think she might be the most annoying housewife i'm throwing her up there i agree and i mean everything she does the way that she talks about talks, the way that she talks down to people. And the TikToks? What?

The TikToks? Well, obviously, yeah, I was getting them. That's the biggest thing of all, I think, honestly. But she's just so annoying. And I'm going to throw this in there. I think our boy Luke dodged the bullet there because she sucks. Now, I'm your boy, Luke. But yeah, I agree.

Yeah. But during this dinner is when Deborah comes out and says, like, yeah, Chris was flirting with me. And thank God for production. I actually talked to Chris a lot this past week. And he is doing better. like this did kind of take a toll on him and we are actually going to do an interview with him coming up after the reunion so stay tuned for that you get the low down straight from him no third parties we get to hear how he's doing with the whole thing but this is where she's like

yeah he came up to me he said you know my name's chris and she said oh my husband's also named Chris he said oh well all chrisses are alike cut to the actual footage she says to him hi I'm Debra. He says, oh, I'm Chris, nonchalant. He's not even looking at her. The man is looking down at his cell phone. He could give two shits what's happening at the bar. He's probably waiting for a drink. He's not just, or he just doesn't feel like, he's waiting for a drink. He's not just sitting at the bar checking his phone and hanging out. Like, you came over to him. You happen to be in the vicinity. She's like, he's probably just sitting there waiting for a drink. Or he just doesn't really want to like be mingling with everybody else. So he's sitting at the bar checking his phone and hanging out. Like, you came over to him. You happen to be in the vicinity. You thought that he was staring at you. He wasn't. He was just looking around the room like people do when they're away from other people at a social event. It's kind of what you do. And then you started the conversation.

So you got to think that this has to, this has Ashley all over it. 100%. And this is my theory. I think that Ashley's talking to her friends like, hey, you can be on the show a little bit more. Maybe you could be a friend of. Like I could use a friend of. You pop up every once in a while. You just got to do something that kind of like brings the end of the fold.

So here's what we're going to do. we're going to drum up this whole storyline because I feel like it's a good call and there's already some weird writing on the wall with Chris because she's still uncomfortable that Chris reached out to her while she was out with all of her friends that night. Which is ridiculous. Yeah, and of course it's ridiculous. But that's why Ashley sucks and that's why she's annoying because she does this stuff

and like it's not cool. It's not good TV. So just stop. I mean, you're not doing anything. What I think's going on and we see it really play out like at the end of the episode. But with Ashley, like she. is so scorned by the whole like black mark on her name that is michael darby that i think she needs

somebody to like drag down into the mud with her she wants somebody else to go through what she has gone through with this man and she makes references to it all the time when we cut back to the vineyard and she's saying like oh like what are you just going to pretend it didn't happen you're just going to like deny deny it deny pretty much and can just like what the fuck you like you like what are talking about yeah she keeps making references that are direct correlations to exactly what she's gone through and by her pining for Candace to take the time to talk to Debra at the end just like begging pretty much like oh my god like are you sure you don't want to talk to her you sure you don't talk to like no because there's no fucking way that Chris talked to her

because we got the footage so that's why I love Candace because she doesn't take the time a day to listen to that shit like she knows right away she stands with her husband and she says fuck now like why would I talk her saying Sesame Street character is just so fucking funny like her clapbacks her insults are sometimes the meanest things that i could ever imagine and they're so fucking they're unmatched i belly laughed at the things that she says and you've got to be like on the outskirts if you're deborah and you're talking to ashley and again this this feeds into my theory and ashley's telling you hey we're going to do this whole thing maybe we'll get you in a room with candis it can be a whole thing on the show you can drop up a little bit of interest maybe

you can come on the show a little bit more if you're deborah and you look at kansas that's not somebody to be trifled with, I don't think. Absolutely not. You are going to get burnt hard. Deborah cannot handle the level of clapbacks, the level of just not give a fuck that Candace has if you push her too far. Like, Candice will take you down. You're no match for her,

and you shouldn't even step to the table. It's like a college ball player going up against a major league pitcher. Like, take a seat, pal. It ain't going to work out. Yeah. And I do think that what you said about Ashley in the way that she's kind of, of sort of projecting the things that she's gone through over the years of Michael onto other women and trying to make it.

I think there's another thing brewing here. She obviously now does not have Michael Darby in her pocket, so to speak, or rather, his money in her pocket. Correct. She needs to secure her spot on this show. Let me just try to do a bunch of other things and see what sticks. I like that. And that's what she's doing.

She's trying to start fights with everybody. She's trying to pit people against each other. And she's not good at it. No. She's really not. She's not subtle at all. Like Karen is way better. And Karen even got called out tonight.

But Karen's way better at it because she's been through it. She listens to everybody. And then she says something quietly to the right people. Ashley does not. Ashley just does it right in front of her face. And you know that Ashley was the culprit. So you're going to get taken down. And I kind of hope that she does.

I hope that her and Mia both get taken down by the end of the season. And they are one, I don't want me to return. I'm okay if Ashley returned. Ashley can return. But like she just needs to chill the fuck out. Now, she needs to settle down and look, like, is she going through a lot of shit right now for sure? Should you be forcing this stuff to add more shit to your plate? Hell no.

Back the hell off. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. But back to the Deborah thing. She then goes after Eddie and says that Eddie came over. He was all smiles and he was flirty too, but he wasn't quite as flirty as Chris cut back to the tape. They're both standing away from the women just laughing with each other. And by the way, Eddie smiles 24-7.

And then happy. Yeah, he's just a smiley guy. And I thought it was hysterical when Ashley's like, do I need to confront Wendy and like let her know what happened? She tells Wendy, Wendy's reaction is so like not smiling Eddie. And then she tells Eddie and they both just laugh about it. Like, are you shitting me? But like that's a real moment that is a good marriage. Like we see that with Candace, like I said.

And now we see it again with Wendy and Eddie that they're standing by them and they're laughing about it. Like, fuck no. I know you didn't. Have you seen her? Like, even Mia was like, I mean, she's cute, but like, she's not, you know, cute. Like, that doesn't even make any sense. Mia very rarely has like a good one-liner. And that was actually like a funny Mia moment.

Yeah. And that's the only time I'm going to say that. Yeah, I mean, the rest of the time she's just saying things. And again, you've said it best. Like, she's just trying to be iconic. Like, and we'll get to it. But when she's talking to Karen at the improv show, she's like doing the mic drop and the way that she's talking and the way that she's just like, I just everything she does. I'm like, you're just trying to be iconic, or you think you are iconic and everything you do is great.

And it's just not. Like, it never lands. It never hits. You never see people that are like, oh, my God, me is so funny. Oh, my God, me is so great. Like, nobody cares about you. You said it best. And, like, I'm trying to picture myself in that room in that moment when she stands up and she's like shying away from the mic.

And she's like making, like, if I'm there and I'm not a housewives fan, if I'm going there for like the Karen Huber experience, which I would imagine they're all housewives fans. But if she's doing that, I'm not like, ooh, she's fun. I'm like, what the fuck is she doing? Why does she keep, like, wincing? Like, why is she making the weird body movements and what is she talking about? She thinks she's a star. She does. She thinks she is the star of her own show, and that's fine.

Go have a solo show by yourself that nobody watches. She's like Walmart eye on from Dubai. Like, seriously. That's really funny. That takes us to the actual show itself. the grand evening with

the grand dom and the whole episode we get snippets of what the fuck is this what are we about to see? I still don't know what we watched I agree

now here was my one counterpoint I don't think that it was you know a rave success but Dev was like

this is nonsense like what's going on she's been on stage for five minutes and it's been 30 minutes here's my thing okay and you see it

with much bigger stars like comedians such as like you know kevin hard pete davidson like they'll put on these events and they'll have their name on it'll be like pete davidson's whatever like comedy jam and he'll go on stage for like five minutes to intro and then the rest of the show he's the emce he will introduce everybody it's pretty much a platform in which somebody much more famous can kind of give his buddies a boost where it's like hey these guys are really funny i want to help get their name out there i've watched shows like that i've enjoyed shows like that that. So I don't think that like the format of the show is unfounded. I think that shows like

that have happened. I think that it's dangerous to call it an evening with the Grand Dame and the grandam is not present on stage frequently. Yeah, no, that's a good point. And I mean, leading into it, everybody's just saying, I have no idea what's going to happen. Like, what is this show and the entire time that it's going on that like this is not what we thought it was, not that we even thought it was anything. We have no idea what it is. Now, what I will say, kind of to your point, if that is what she's going for, if she's going for the, let me put on a couple of people and she had the drag queen come up twice. I love that they didn't have it in the budget of the show.

It took me until the second song to figure out what that meant, by the way. It's like zero dollars for the budget for the song. The songs looked like the most lit part of the show. Everyone was up and dancing. I think she just needs more people. You know what I mean? like you can have the drag queen come out and do a song and then you can have two people sit up there like a panel and answer some questions and do whatever great then have a comedian come out and then maybe another musical act and in between you're just doing things like i feel like that works but the fact that she had the drag queen come on in the beginning and then also at the end just kind of shows that there really was no vision like that karen was talking about that i've got my vision right matt like matt's looking at her just completely blank dumbfounded no idea what's going on it just didn't look great And my immediate reaction was, she's coming to Philly in February.

Now she may have figured it out. That's my thing. Maybe she's been on tour for a little bit and she's figured it out. We'll have to look at other shows and see what people have posted their experience, whatever. If it's gotten better, yeah, I mean, we'll definitely go one, you know, it's in Philly. Sure. It might have something to do. Did we ever figure out if it's down at the stadiums or if it's in parks?

I think it's at a casino, so at the very least we can play blackjack. We can gamble. All right. So at the very least, we can go gamble. now obviously if it's down to the stadiums we can go to a game and do that and it can be a whole day that would be fun but we got to know what's going on going into it or counterpoint we have no idea what's going on going into it and we just have a good time for 99.9% going to have to go to this show so just saddle up buddy but the one thing i did appreciate and especially after seeing you know reasonably shady had that half empty auditorium i imagine that both monetarily and as far as like their first live show like that was technically a success like I think they had enough people there they just they over indulged on the venue they should have went smaller what I appreciate with Karen is she's like start small and she knew that so she got the improv which is a smaller room

it's more intimate you are definitely going to fill it right so it's going to look like it's packed even if it's not that many people so I think she took the right approach where it's like look it's my first show if you put them together it's a great show I think I think so too I think if you combine reasonably shady with the grand dom experience if she emceed reasonably shady if she was the host of that oh you're you're taking it a step further i was just saying you take the the good parts of both of them together like if reasonably shady drop the whole Ashley dancing on the stage for a half an hour and brought out the drag queen and brought up the drag queen to do the song okay and then also had a smaller venue i think that's a roaring success okay that yeah okay yeah yeah see in my mind i'm going yeah

Karen could be the host of that. And that takes us to our question portion of the show. We got lots of questions tonight, so let's dive right in. Up first from Coconutzo. Nailed it. Do you think Ashley's reach to lie about Chris as her deflecting on our own issues with Michael? Yes, I do.

I touched on it already. Thank you for reaffirming. And from, and if I mispronounce this, I am very sorry. I am trying my best. from Tajir Ford 01. Do you think they will show the videos during the reunion, like in their entirety of like the interactions with Chris? Probably more, maybe not in their entirety,

but I imagine they probably have a little bit more that they'll show in the reunion. Yeah, I would imagine it we'd see like maybe an extended clip of him not giving a fuck who's standing at the bar. But once again, just a shout out to production because they could have fucking buried them and they didn't. We did and when we had the interview with Chris during our live show, he did say the production does some weird shit

like them arguing in front of a doctor didn't actually happen. Oh yeah. So production does have their hand in some things to try to twist it to make it look like it's worse than it actually is. I'm just happy that they're not taking this approach because that would suck.

It would suck because this is something that ruins reputation as in lives. Like this isn't something you mess around with and that's why this has been like kind of, it's been tough especially since you know, we're now friends with Chris. Like we both like talk to Chris. Like, it's just, it, it's good to see that they're doing the right thing and just vindicating him

and so we can move the fuck on from this. Oh, I got to read this one, because this one is, kudos to you from Joey Butler. What incentive did Ashley have behind this to smear Chris to recruit Deborah? Point for shooter. There you go. This is a Roslick question from Moka Minutes. All right. I was about to say, MoCham.

I hate this has watching this season changed your mind on anyone it's changed my mind well I'll let you answer that actually because you watched the first two seasons um I mean yeah obviously Heather has done a huge 180 oh which reminds me Meredith if you do a 360 you're going in the same direction yeah oh my god yeah a 180 is going back the other way not a 360 but yeah and I would also say Whitney Whitney who you know we saw it a little bit at the beginning of the year just kind of like puts her foot in her mouth is just kind of like all over the place she has grown up a lot during this season where she's making much better points and I think a lot of that has to do with her relationship with Lisa now versus her relationship with Heather yeah because I think you know we're starting to see the layers peel back a little bit on Heather and I'm not liking what I'm seeing I think there's somebody in there that we didn't know about And maybe that is a product of Jen Shaw. But without her and Heather being as close as they are, Whitney has made a lot more sense. She's kind of come down to earth a little bit.

And I've actually enjoyed her in the later episodes of the season. This is for you from Lord Tennant. Who wore it better, Heather or Mad I-Booty from Harry Potter? Man-I-Booty. Well, it depends on who you mean. Like, was it what's his name's son, the escaped convict from Mazcaband? who was portraying Man Eye Mooney? Serious Black?

No, no, no. It was a Phineas. Oh, wait, no, I can do this. I was a huge Harry Potter nerd. Yeah, so was I. God. Oh, this is so embarrassing. Finney.

No, no, no, no. And you just fucked me up. Now I'm not going to think about it. It's not Phineas. It's not Phineas. No. Marty, Marty Grouch, Jr. Is it Grouch?

That sounds right. Crouch. Crouch. Yeah, it's crouch. Crouch. Marty Crouch. Marty Crouch. Boom.

Yeah. Boom, if we got that wrong, they're going to let us know. Yeah, Mad Imoody, for sure. From Crystal Taryn. Have you guys watched Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip? Oh, boy. We have. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

When's the third one come out? Because maybe I'll change my opinion on it. I don't think you will. See, I think that you are not an ensemble cast kind of guy. I think you need the meat and potatoes the whole season. If I, oh, sometimes I really don't. No, I'm, yeah, true. I think if I can hand-pick the ensemble, I'm better, but that's never going to happen.

That's a tall order. You know what? Maybe it will. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows on this wacky wild ride we've been on?

And I'm going to read this just because we've gotten a lot of these, and I don't care for it. And I know we open the door to it. But I'm not even going to read your name. It says, no question. Just go cowboys. Who the fuck do you think you are? Yeah. You're going to come on our platform and you're going to talk about the

Cowboys? What are you talking about? You beat Gardner Minshu by like a touchdown. Yeah, have fun losing to the Buccaneers in the first round. Yeah, we can't wait to watch. But that's all we got tonight. Make sure you continue to follow us on Instagram at Brov underscore Bros. Follow us on TikTok at Bravo underscore Bros. And follow us on Twitter at Brov Bros. No underscore there. Make sure you hit up the shop. We do have some pretty decent swag, I think. I like our shirts. Oh, yeah. Good shit. So check it out. support the bros, rock some of our apparel, and, uh, yeah, other than that, you got anything else?

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