Bros & Shows - Carl Radke Full Interview

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

What's up Bro's? We had the chance to sit down with Carl for an hour and pick his brain all about Summer House. We dive into his relationship with Lindsay and the current state of the show. We also get into the future of the show and all about how he and Kyle are getting along both this season and currently. All that and more in an awesome interview with our new Aaron Rodgers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brav Bros. What's up, everybody, and welcome to a special episode of the Brav Bros. We are here with Carl Radke from Summerhouse, an original Brav Broh, himself.

has joined us. Carl, how are you today? Doing well. Thank you for the introduction. It's great to be. I appreciate it. Absolutely. So I just wanted to kick it off. I wanted to get right into it. This whole interview came about. You commented on one of our clips on Twitter about the state of Summerhouse, how we feel the entertainment value is going. And I wanted to give you and Shooter the chance to kind of iron some shit out, like kind of get to the bottom of it so we can move on. No hard feeling so when you saw the video what was your initial response i mean i was obviously i love when you know the bra the bra the bravo bros i appreciate what you guys are doing i love you know

having more male energy uh interact on you know what we're doing on the show obviously bravo is a very woman dominated network and obviously the audience typically tends to be more women but i do enjoy you know the men who have their opinions and commentary and obviously at all i think the more people talk about summerhouse the better uh everyone Once at a while, I will troll through Twitter just to kind of keep an eye on things. And some things are unavoidable. And I just, I saw your clip and I was like, you know, like I'd love just to try and chat with these guys and offer some different perspective.

I mean, trust me, what was said is that, you know, nothing that crazy or earth shattering. I've been called and said a lot more crazy things. Trust me. And I don't reach out to those people, but you guys seem like you're good dudes. And I appreciate the response to, you know, be able to shed some love. And trust me, I totally agree with you on some aspects. You know, the show is certainly, you know, listen, after seven seasons, you know, you're always going to have, I think, some change and some, you know, challenges over those seasons.

But we're only six episodes in. There's a lot more to go to the season. So I do think that the audience, hopefully, we'll see some of their requests answered. But, no, I mean, you know, Shooter, obviously, I love when people have. opinions and takes on the show. It was all in good fun, I think. And you can tell you actually really care about the program and really want what's best for Bravo. And we do too. And I've always wanted to make the best show possible. And so, you know, obviously I saw it. I was like, you know, I'm just going to comment back and see if these guys actually, you know, give me the

opportunity. So I don't always, this is one of the first times I actually, like, commented on something and, you know, offered to be able to come on. So I do appreciate the chance to clear the air. But listen, I know it is a little, it is a little different watching people in relationships. I think one challenge we've had on this show, there's a few people that always bring a lot to the show and bring a lot of storyline. And, you know, whether it's Lindsay, Carl, Kyle, or Amanda, I mean, the four of us pretty much from the beginning have always been bringing it on the show. So it's hard because this season is a lot of focus on Lindsay and I, obviously. But the crazy part is I have videos of us staying up late and partying.

And the night you're referencing, we were up until two in the morning in the kitchen dancing and going crazy. Now, yeah, I don't drink, but there was, I feel like an effort to not show some of that just to kind of continue down the line of Carl and Lindsay are in this honeymoon love bubble. We definitely have thoughts on that, specifically when it comes to how production kind of pushes maybe what the agenda is for the season or kind of how they feel like the direction the season's going and we kind of want to get into your frustrations maybe with something like that because you see us idiots sitting there talking about how mad we are and like we love it like

summer house when i first started steel and i got into bravo a couple years ago summer house was the first show that i was like i like this show i couldn't get into the housewives right away because it was just too much going on and too much screaming and yelling at summer house exactly and then summer house i'm like oh these dudes are like hanging out and partying in the hansans like i love I like the party. So it like made a lot of sense for me. And then I'm watching and I'm like, man, I'm really like getting invested in these storylines that I hate how it's going. It's getting boring. And we want to get into all of that and everything kind of that goes across the board from this season to kind of like what you expect the show to get to eventually. But let's just try to catch up

with like what you're up to now. Because obviously we're watching stuff from, you know, almost a year ago now. Yeah. What are you got what are you up to now? We know that you've left Loverboy. What are you doing for work? How's that going? How's your mental psyche? And how's your relationship with Lindsay go? Yeah, no, well, first, I mean, you can still see that I got the Loverboy stuff up here on my shelf. I'm so proud of everything I've, you know, done with the company. And I'm grateful for everything that Kyle Amanda have done for me and all the other employees at Loverboy. I mean, it's been like a rocket ship to be a part of.

And obviously, you know, Steele, your wife is down at the Philadelphia event. We've done a lot of different things in different cities throughout the U.S. And, you know, it's been an amazing ride working at Lover Boy. I'm, you know, so like I said, I've learned a ton. You know, the one thing that people don't really realize is, like, I didn't have any alcohol industry experience other than drinking before, you know, kind of offering to invest in Lover Boy. And then Kyle and I talked and he thought maybe there's an opportunity where I could try

and help sell. You know, I had to cut my teeth early on. Obviously, you know, Kyle mentioned some of my challenges, you know, this season. And, you know, again, I'm embarrassed and ashamed of some of my behavior from the past. But I really hope that Kyle, I mean, he understands, I think that I really tried to repay them with hard work and dedication. I brought a lot of value to the company. I traveled all over the place. I did a lot of relationship building and spent a lot of time, you know, trying to put lover boy, you know, on the map.

It's now a nationwide brand. It's in every whole foods throughout the country. Kroger, one of the largest retailers, you know, has us on their shelves. So it's been an amazing, you know, journey and ride. but I think over the last year, and again, what you're seeing at the beginning of this season is, you know, I just had some frustrations that I'm not proud of or happy of how I ultimately handled it. I think I could have probably broached some things a little bit better with Kyle even before the summer started. You know, I don't think I realize that even just having some awkwardness on the weekends would make it just so much more amplified.

And obviously, you don't want to see two guys that have been best friends to the last seven years party and having a good time. I officiated Kyle's wedding last season, was a big part of that and always have been very supportive of them. So, you know, it's hard working with friends, you know, at the end of the day. I think the other part that I show, right there, yeah, you know, it's hard working with friends. And that's no knock on Kyle or Amanda. It's just, it's hard. And then, oh, by the way, we filmed a TV show together. oh by the way like you know we've had all this you know intermixing of lives and it's it's a lot but

I will say the biggest aspect is you know not drinking and the the lifestyle changes that I've made it just was keeping me up at night you know and like it's in Philadelphia when we're at sunset social I mean it's on it's the best ego stroke in the world you've got hundreds of people that are buying lover boy that come up to you they're pumped to meet you they take pictures they love your stories that connect with you like that's an amazing feeling but i started questioning like is this really the best fit for me right now like i'm in year two of not drinking and you know being at all these environments and parties and things and just finding myself kind of going is this authentic to me right now and it didn't feel super authentic but at the same time i you know appreciated

the responsibility and what we were doing with the business i i loved working there but i think it just ultimately was time for me to move on to some other things. So I ultimately did leave in December. You know, this season, you're seeing us kind of work through some stuff. And Kyle and I get to a better place over these next few episodes, which I think will be good for the audience to see. And I certainly need it because you'll see I do get engaged towards the end of the summer. Congratulations. Thank you. And all the things that led up to that. And honestly, it was huge having Kyle there. And I'm not sure, you know, if you've had a close friend before your engagement, you kind of tell him what's going on.

He gave me some confidence because he'd been down that road. And, you know, I was just huge to have Kyle be supportive of me, you know, about the engagement process and some of those things. But to answer your question very long-winded what I'm up to now. So I hired a business coach. He's also like a therapist. He's also sober. He works with a lot of entrepreneurs and successful like, you know,

C-level executive people. He was really just someone I tapped to help. me with this transition. You know, I think to say that I all of a sudden got another, you know, kind of full-time job lined up. I don't. I was ready to kind of take some time and some space to figure out what I'm doing next. I think ultimately what I'm going to do is lean into my sobriety and lean into my, you know, mental health and grief journey. I've been approached about podcasts, about books. Obviously, that's like the obvious thing for reality TV people to do and I if I'm going to do something like that I want it to be really unique and different not just

like a housewife having a podcast well I think I can speak from you know a place of and kind of tied into what you said about Kyle like yeah it's really hard to watch you guys excuse me who have been so close but on the flip side of that like what we're watching was really real and you can tell that you guys like we as viewers don't want to see you guys viewed simply because like we love the relationship you guys have had for so long but there's a level of realness to it that I think a lot of people can resonate with, especially people that are in business with their friends because, no, it's not all sunshine and rainbows.

And like, yeah, you're in this amazing company. That's a rocket ship, but there are some pitfalls that come with it. So I think that as viewers, a lot more people can relate to that than maybe you guys know. So I do appreciate the realness with it. And I guess my big question with the sobriety fact, I'm four and a half year sober. I'll be five years in August. So thank you. Appreciate it. And I think that what you can offer in that space, you know, is a unique perspective because you've been in the summer house. You've been in a place that is really highlighted for the partying atmosphere. So if you'd be able to speak on it from that vantage point is something that a lot of people can and a lot of people can't understand sort of what we go through on a day-to-day basis because it is difficult. And I can't imagine being in that house. I'm sure there's triggers left and right. But I wanted to ask, do you think that because another

thing that people don't get is sobriety is a journey like you change year to year like what you're comfortable with year one might be very different than what you're comfortable with year two three four five so on and so forth so was it more so the sobriety factor and the lover boy or was it also the strain between you and kyle was that what was the front runner of why you felt the need to move on from it i would say just the sobriety aspect you know i want to i want to feel authentic with my choices and how I spend my time. And, you know, not that Kyle, I mean, we've talked about him launching potentially a non-alcoholic product line, which is interesting and very exciting. I love that idea. But, you know, working in alcohol, people don't realize

it's a difficult industry sober or not. And I just, like I said, I didn't have any experience of alcohol until working at the company and learning all the different aspects of it. And I mean, we went from like a four-person company to like 25 people in the matter of a couple years nationwide. It just the fast growth, it was, I found myself a little lost at times professionally, just like I was the VP of sales, but I'm on the phone with guys from massive, you know, alcohol companies or big distributor companies and kind of like feeling a little inadequate. Yeah, like I'm good at relationships. I can sell the shit out of anything. But when you're talking to like really smart, successful, intellectual people in this space, I felt a lot very inadequate.

So it was kind of a combination of like, okay, I'm sober, doesn't feel authentic. But I'm also like just from a professional standpoint, wasn't feeling as adequate on some of these meetings and calls. And I expressed that to Kyle. And he's always been given me. He's like, well, this is a way to learn. This is the way you're going to kind of grow into that position. But I just also was like, I'm a. major face of this alcohol brand. I travel all the time. In my, you know, kind of second year sobriety,

it was just like, I want to do other things with my time and energy. And it just felt like it was all kind of coming to a head. Unfortunately, I had to kind of play out over the summer. But yeah, that tension was very real and raw, just because I know, I mean, you can see how upset Kyle is and how frustrated he is with some of the things going on with me. And I feel bad that he took it so hard. But, you know, he's worked so hard on lover boy in the business to make it what it is. And I think he felt like, you know, I was kind of running away from him or abandoning him. And I just had always had hoped he'd understand that, you know, I really got to look out what's best for me and what I want to do moving forward. And I think for me, if I'm going to lean into sobriety and lean into mental health, it'll be a lot easier to do that without being the face of an alcohol brand.

That's fair. But, you know, it's tricky because like I said, I can't tell you how many people I have. I've met that have bought Loverboy and the fan engagement, the consumer engagement, the retailers, I've built a lot of great relationships and met a lot of great people. And it's, it is sad a little bit to kind of close that door. But, you know, I hope, you know, for me, it'll be a lot more true and feel right, you know, to be doing the next phase. Yeah.

And I mean, just to kind of touch on the end of kind of you leaving Loverboy, obviously it's only in about three months, but do you feel like kind of the pressures off a little bit with your friendship with Kyle? Do you think that you guys can kind of repair a little bit more? Obviously, he wants to keep you on because one, you are still good at your job, and you're feeling overwhelmed, but he's looking at you like, you're doing a good job and you're one of my closest friends and you help me build this brand. I'm going to keep you on as long as possible, but it's a tough situation to be in

because you want to see your friend be happy and be mentally healthy and be healthy with the sobriety. So it's tough for him to let you go, but he has to understand it at the end of the day. So these last three months, has it been a little easier for you to kind of, you know, I don't want to say rekindle it, but like make it a little easier for you and your friendship with him. Yeah. No, I think it was a huge, I think, relief because, you know, obviously there's a lot of love between the two of us deep down. I think, you know, working together is certainly overshadowed some of the personal things that Kyle and I've been able to enjoy. I mean, it's been

a lot about work. And I think now stepping away professionally from the full-time aspect with him, it's really good. It's gotten back to our roots of our friendship. We've gotten. together a couple times since the season's been on already. You know, we got dinner before it started just to try and get on the same page. And he knew some of the things that were going to be coming up this season, which I'd heard about. Obviously, was upset, but didn't really see it until the audience saw it. But listen, I really trying to practice a lot of empathy and compassion for behaviors and things that are said. I can relate to a lot of dumb shit I've done on Summerhouse and very regretful of how I've acted and very, very ashamed and embarrassed about things I've done. So I've tried to put

my arms around a little bit and embrace Kyle in some ways. I think there's still some work to do. And I'm optimistic about our friendship. But the bigger thing that's been a challenge is I think Kyle and how he's handling my relationship with Lindsay and how he treats Lindsay. And I hope for more respect from him because I certainly like to think that I've always been very respectful of Amanda and never yelled and screamed at her, never, you know, blamed her inadvertently for anything, really. I mean, it's, it's, that aspect of it has been hard with the Lindsay side of things. But I think being away from the business is now really, it's going to hopefully allow Kyle and I to, like, really just focus on friendship. Because honestly, I almost, I almost can kind of remember what it was like before we started working together.

Right. It's just a lot lighter and just bros having fun. talking about, you know, whatever it was, partying or girls or, you know, anything, technology, you name it. Kyle and I could talk about it all. So I'm actually excited about getting back to basics. You know, even when we got together recently, I mean, half of the conversation was still about lover boy, just because I care. Which is good. I'm an investor still. And I, you know, want the best for Kyle. I want the best for the business. I really do. So, well, sort of a piggyback off of that. Oh, sorry, not to cut you off. But it's good. And not to throw a wrench

to that because I love the fact that you guys are working on it. And, you know, part of this journey that you're on with sobriety is I think one of the more difficult things that I've experienced is trying to get people that you're close with to understand kind of the nuances to it because there's a lot of things that it's hard to explain unless you've been through it or been around somebody very close that's been through it. But with the Lindsay dynamic and Kyle, one of the things that's kind of been highlighted this year has been Kyle thinking that like she's either in your ear or she's pulling strings. And I would love to actually just hear your actual response. We haven't gotten to see that on TV. So if you wouldn't mind. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think

it's an unfair characterization. I can see why Kyle might think that. I mean, anybody who's in a serious relationship is going to listen to their partner. Lindsay spent a lot of time literally seeing the volume of work I was doing and how tiresome and how overwhelming it was and the volume of work we were doing. I mean, it's not normal the level of stuff we've had to do at Loverboy. And yeah, it's a startup. It's fast pace. But Kyle works, he's a workaholic. He's, he's a grinder, man. Like the guy sends late night emails. I mean, one, one a.m. 2 a.m. And that's just the way he is. And that's great because he crushes work. Like he's always been that beast. But I think Lindsay got witness to, when we especially moved in together, just how much I was working, how spread thin I was, how often I was

traveling. She also came to like seven or eight lover boy events just to support me, support the company, and was also like witness, like, not only was I like during the day working doing Zooms on the phone, I was also planning those events that I would go to. Like Sunset Social, I put together all of myself with the help of our distributor pen beer. And it's a lot of work, but it's like basically like being like the roadie for the band and like you're also performing and selling the tickets and then posted like I was doing all of that stuff and it just was a lot and Lindsay's kind of going well are you happy and I'd be like I'm frustrated and she was just really trying to help me like I'll never forget it literally sitting in this chair I'm in she's like

you just got to talk to Kyle is what she said you just got to express where you're coming from and don't blindside him and she was like just talk to him and I did and I think, unfortunately, just Kyle thinking the worst and kind of taking it, you know, towards Lindsay, it's just really unfair because it's, it's all on me. I don't want Lindsay to take blame. Put that, put that on me, Kyle. Don't put that on Lindsay. Unfortunately, it's been easy to blame Lindsay, which is something that's been going on for a couple seasons on the show. And it's, it's hard because it's not fair to her. And I know it really, it hurts Lindsay because she just wanted what's best for me. And if she felt like just giving me,

the confidence to say, hey, like talk to Kyle about your frustrations, talk to him. And I didn't, you know, I didn't flip out at Kyle and say, pay me more fucking money, man, like you're an ass. Like, I didn't. I just was like, hey, I'm feeling this way and let's talk. So I, yeah, Lindsay certainly is not pulling strings behind the scenes. She just wants me to be happy and make a lot of money so we can have nice things and take care of her. Yeah, I think that's fair. And kind of, you kind of referenced this earlier talking about how there are certain nights that you are actually up until 2 a.m. but it seems like they're leaving that footage out because it doesn't really meet the agenda that we're kind of seeing. And you've been on this show for, what is this, your seven season,

you said? Yes, I've been on since day one. Jeez. So seven seasons of this, you're a veteran at this point. You're grizzled. You're, you know what's going on. So in the middle of the summer, when you notice that these conversations keep coming up about you and Lindsay, about your relationship, you know, do you want to go out? Is it kind of lame that like everybody's going to bed at 11 o'clock? And then we see things like, I've been looking, Steele and I will look at the very, like, minute details of things. And this last episode that we just watched, you can see everybody saying happy birthday to Amanda.

And at the very last second, you see Lindsay come in and she's about to say, happy birthday to Amanda, and then the camera cuts. And I'm like, I know Lindsay said happy birthday to Amanda, but Bravo doesn't want us to see that because it doesn't meet this agenda. Like, that's got to be tough. Like, you know what's going on. Like, when you see this story building and building, are you just like, fuck? like i do not want to like i'm going to have to watch this unfold everybody's going to say that

my relationship's annoying everybody's going to say we're boring like do you know that's happening in the moment and how do you kind of change that moving forward yeah great i mean great question and great observations i think you guys are you know picking up on some stuff that we pick up on that you know we sometimes wonder is that like on purpose or is that just um i think you know listen we are making trying to make a show that's entertaining and it has the dramatic elements and certain storytelling that I think plays into what makes good TV. And not always is that, like, you know, linear to what actually happens sometimes. But I'm never going to be one to, like, blame editing.

I mean, what you see is what you get from us because what I love about Summerhouse is the fact that there's cameras in the house where you can't really hide. Like, you see us really for how we are. So, yeah, like, I knew going to the summer it was going to be different. I was excited because Lindsay and I are in a good place. Like we actually are fun to be around. Yeah, we are a little love bubbly. But these are all of our friends for the most part.

And we thought, okay, like maybe we'll be a little different, but still here to have a good time, still ready to be a participant, get dressed up, dance, do weird shit, say weird things, like everything that the show is known for. But I do think, you know, even if you look at back at last season, I used to go to bed at midnight or 1 a.m. last season, that wasn't a big deal. Yeah. You know, previous summers. I mean, seasons one through three, I came home like every Friday, Saturday night at 6 a.m. So I think I'm picking up for old. But no, this past summer, I mean, Lindsay and I definitely were active in participating. And I think what people forget sometimes is, you know, I'm 38.

I'm just getting older. And Kyle has a motor and energy level, like no one I've ever met in my life. But it's exhausting in general, just I think what we have to do, driving out there on a Friday, all the different things that go into it. But there are plenty of other people that have been on the show since, like, season three and four who still go to bed at 11 p.m. But nobody really gives them a hard time. That's what they're just used to from them. But I don't know.

Like, it's hard because I think sometimes like literally the night Andrea came, we all stayed up pretty late, but they literally show me and Lindsay going to bed. And it's like, you know what? You just got to live and breathe with it and just kind of take the lumps. but it is also fun for us to kind of, like, do an interview and, like, highlight things that they miss. Yeah, and we try to see it beforehand because, like, we've talked to multiple people now from the shows, and the same thing rings true for each single show. They're like, yeah, well, you didn't see this. And so obviously production is going to change things and make it look a certain way.

The one thing I do want to ask with the Montauk thing. So people have been talking about that where you seemed like you didn't want her to go and like you wanted to stay home. Would you have been cool with her going? 100% would be cool with her going. I think, again, another aspect. I mean, we've been going to Montauk for, that's how I met Kyle was going to Montauk before the show was ever a thing. Lindsay also and Kyle had rented a house together before the show was ever a thing. The three of us, Danielle also is a big, like we know Montauk.

We've been doing this for 10 years. At 11 p.m. on a Saturday night when you're in Southampton, which is literally almost an hour away from Montaq, one whole hour in a car, one direction to go to Montaq. I've done that drive so many times. I was just like, no, like I know what's going to happen out there. You go to some house party. It's probably going to be fun, but you're there for a few hours and then you take another hour ride back home at 233 in the morning. So the way it came across is I think Lindsay really wanted me to either go with her or stay home like just do things together you'll see more of this summer i think you'll see lindsay go off with the girls or do something separate and it's

good to have that individual separation yeah trust me it's good but i didn't i regret making it look like or i regret that people think that i was like no you can't go i think she just was in kind of that so i really want to ride an hour go to the same old house party i know i've been to before and then our ride back. Like, I can understand why she didn't want to go. I don't think Danielle should have been as butt hurt about it because she knows full on how long that ride is. Yeah. But it, you know, it's tough because I think at that point, I mean, I've even changed, like you said, it's almost a year ago, some of this stuff we filmed. You know, I watch it back and I'm like, damn, I look like like a little bitch. Like, why didn't I just say, hey, babe, go have fun. Yeah. And there's those

moments where, you know, I'm picking up on even sober. I'm just like, damn, I wish I would have been like, hey, babe, go have your time. Like, enjoy it. I've always been a promoter of Lindsay, have your fun, do what you need to do. I'm just hoping when you come home, you know, you're not angry at me or giving me a bunch of attitude because maybe you've been drinking. I want her to have fun and be an adult. And if that's going on, talk, great. But it definitely doesn't appear that way. And does her drinking, does that affect your surprise? My, my wife will drink everyone small you know a big drinker but yeah it doesn't bother me personally i do know that every journey is you know individual to individual so whatever works for you i respect that but is that something that's

difficult for you like when she gets lit is that something that you've had to kind of learn how to deal with or have you been comfortable with it or how's that going yeah no great question and i'm always curious to hear you know i've met a lot of sober people and you know whether their partner or girlfriend you know doesn't drink i've always so interested in that because You know, it's obviously relatable what Lindsay and I have. I mean, she did get sober with me for a few months, which was incredible. But she felt, you know, she could drink some wine or have lover boys or, you know, enjoy herself.

And I always want her to enjoy herself. But my only hope, I think, in our relationship is just for her to have a better understanding of her relationship with alcohol out of respect for me, but also respect for herself. Listen, I'm not going to lie. Like, there's going to be a fight at some point coming up. It's not a big fight. but we get into a little disagreement, and it was at the end of the night. She had been drinking.

I obviously wasn't, but we were just on different pages. We learned a lot how to navigate those. I mean, a lot of times it's like, hey, I don't know if this is going to work to discuss this right now. Let's talk about it in the morning when we're a little bit more even keeled. That helps. But, you know, sometimes I've learned to just try and be honest with her. Like, hey, like, it's a little too much.

I'm going to go to the bedroom and just kind of separate myself. but you know it's she's been really amazing honestly like i'm sure your wife can can relate to some degree with you know lindsay's signed up had to sign up for all this baggage that i have you know i'm an addict i have all these issues and she's been able to embrace that and take it on um and she's been amazing so i have a lot of grace and gratitude for her because it's not easy you know now everybody looks at her relationship and is like well should she and that's a lot to put on someone you know just because she's with me. So, yeah, it's like you said, it's a journey.

It's a constant conversation. In a couple episodes, we, you know, got into it a little bit, but I'm proud that it wasn't like, you know, some of our fights from like season four when we're on our rooftop day, drinking the fireball and yelling and screaming at each other. No, that's good. And like you even said it. And our frustrations aren't even necessarily with, like,

say you or Kyle or even Lindsay specifically. It's sort of like we're kind of upset about the cast. So at this point, there are three guys, eight girls, two of the guys are in serious relationships with girls are in the house. And like you said, there are people, and we can call her by name. Page has always stayed in and gone to bed at 11 o'clock. But we know we're going to get that from Paige, but she's going to make up for it by maybe saying something to Danielle or saying something to Lindsay that kind of spark something and lets it go. But the new people that they're getting on, it just seems like there's not a lot there. Like, why are they going to bed? Because if they were staying up and partying and having fun and we know, Kyle's going to do that as well. We're not going to look to our mainstays like you and Lindsay and Danielle to be like, why the hell are you guys not doing anything? We're going to be like, all right, these people are cool. Like, still love Carl.

Like, hope you had a great time to Barry's boot camp in the morning. But I want to see somebody stay up until 3 o'clock in the morning and jump in the pool naked. Like, that's what Summer House is to us. So they're bringing in this new blood and they're not doing a whole lot. So how much do you blame kind of like the casting on that, putting these couples and also just such a lopside of ratio in the house? Yeah, I'll be, I'll be the first one to say. I mean, before the summer started, I was, you know, wait, it's only going to be me and Kyle and Chris, you know, and again, like you even see it, I think in the first episode, you know, I'm kind of like, me and Kyle again. And it sounded like rude and derogatory. I do have like an incredible love for Kyle. Like we've been through so much together. We've had a lot of fun. Like the guy, Kyle is arguably one of the greatest people in the world to party with. I stand by that. He's a lot of fun. But, you know, going into another. summer where I'm like it's I obviously had a good time with Kyle but I'm like damn we only have one other guy and it seemed a little lopsided and then yeah you you nailed it but the other part

too is you have girls in the house who have boyfriends that aren't really around or is dynamic maybe I mean not around at all honestly they yeah like on the weekend once yeah Maya and all of her together so her energy is different because she's in a relationship Danielle's got Robert and he's not really there that often. And then you've got Paige with Craig and Craig is obviously not there. I think he does come in a couple weeks. So yeah, we have two couples with people in the house and then these girls, but they're in relationships with people you don't see. Yeah. But my hope was like those people should really step up even more because they are now away from their significant other. Like, this is your chance to have a good time. And more often it didn't really go to that. So I don't know.

I agree that it's a little bit off balance, the ratio. You know, I really hope that Andrea and Luke would be a part of it, not only for the women and the eye candy, but also just because there really are real, real homies and real friends. But some of those decisions, unfortunately, don't really come from us. We can only kind of kick and scream and say who we really want to have a good time, and hope for the best. But, you know, I think this past season, it's pretty glaring that there were things be out of our control like the rooms there was a whole zoning situation like legally your house

has to be zoned for a certain amount of bedrooms and that house is only zoned for like five or six bedrooms the previous summer we turned it into like nine bedrooms so it's it was legal so not only we were you know the veterans are shifted we weren't allowed to have a party until the disco party which was only it was capped at 50 people which is why really which yeah we weren't allowed because we didn't have enough permitting to have more people they should say that on the show like that just because that would only help us viewers like oh okay cool like rather than be like what the fuck like why are we not partying what's going on it looks it looks lame and it is actually a pretty fun party you know for what it was but it we were dealing with some things

totally out of our control and a lot of that is the town montauk southampton the hamptons in general there's just a lot of like red tape and stuff and it's the show becoming as popular as it's gotten it's just been harder for our production team even to go out like i know you guys love seeing us out at like southampton social club or a lot of those places don't really want us around because it brings just another level of shit that they don't want to deal with so it's limited our ability to to have as big parties as we used to and also go to other places i mean we still do but we've got to kind of do it on the radar they can choose a little bit more yeah so it's sad that this the disco party should have been a lot better but if you watch it you're like wow it's

kind of lame. It was just because you have that many people there. The fact that you and Kyle had a deep heart to heart while wearing those outfits, I was like, fuck, yes, this is so good. Like, that's a staple of summer house. Like, these, like, people are just wearing these ridiculous outfits and they're having very serious conversations. Like, that's what makes it so much fun. And, like, usually they're like, who the hell knows? But, I mean, just off of that, like, where do you see the show going? Like, how much longer do you think you're going to be on it? And where do you see kind of the shape of the show if they're going to have all this red tape in Southampton and up in Montauk. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to say go to the Jersey Shore,

but like I don't think there's any red tape at all at the Jersey Shore, dude. Go to Wildwood. Oh, Jesus Christ, no. I mean, I've, I was, I did a, I have this little pin on today. I was, I did a little mental health panel today at Kate Spade, the fashion company. Yeah. And they gave me this. and I was talking about similar questions like you guys are bringing up, like the state of the show and the future of the show. You know, listen, I think there's still, personally, I think there's still meat on the bone with Lindsay and I's relationship. I know it may be a little different, but I'm really coming into my own, a little bit more in my own sobriety journey. And like Steele mentioned just with some of the, you know, like you're not the same person you were a year ago in your sobriety. You're differently, you're more comfortable with certain things, you're less comfortable, or you know kind of more of your bound.

I'm getting a lot more comfortable in just being in those environments, you know, I think I'm proud of the fact that I'll be able to show up and still have a good time. And yeah, it's a little different. But I'm optimistic that there's more meat on our relationship and interesting dynamics between what's going on for our future. You know, we're getting married in like eight or nine months from now. I'm optimistic that that could be a part of, you know, the next season of our show. I love some of the newbies. I'd like to maybe see more of their dynamic with like who they're hooking up with, you know, their work-life balance. Chris cracks me up, man. That dude, his game is hysterical. There's no shame in his game, but sometimes he misses the mark in time. I'm like,

dude, come on, you could do better than that. And I like Chris. I think there's a moment coming up where I give him a hard time about finally getting his first number of the summer. And it was like towards the end of the summer and I'd be giving him some shit. But it made total sense. He's like, I grew up with four boys. I was like, of course you did. It all adds. up. Yeah, and he was a, he was a Marine, so Semper Phi. So he's got like that military bra or like machoness. And sometimes it just doesn't hit, unfortunately. But he's a handsome dude. I'm surprised that some lucky lady didn't, didn't take fancy to him. But yeah, yeah, I mean, the future of it, listen, I think I hope, I'm really optimistic about the

reunion and us hopefully resolving and moving forward because I think that's a big part of, you know, being able to make it make sense for us to have another summer i think there's going to have to be some changes as always you know and i i'd like to think there's more males next year i think there needs to be there needs to be more male energy and i think there just needs to be inherently the ones that are single need to hook up and if you're in a relationship with someone who's not always in the house you need to fucking rage and have a good time yeah i like that i want to ask um before we get too far away from it because we're going to take some audience questions here in a minute and give you a chance to just kind of like say what you want to say about the season or about whatever you want

to talk about. But with Danielle, we obviously haven't gotten, we're starting to see like inklings of the split between like her and Lindsay and she spoke about where she fits into this dynamic with you two. And the way that I look at it, the way I see it is, you know, you guys, you and Lindsay are now engaged. You were in a serious relationship. at the time. I think a lot of couples have that third friend that they hang out with, like, in the beginning of things. But as you guys get more serious, that you're going to phase that out because it's not a thruple. Like, it's you and Lindsay and your friends with Danielle. So watching her reaction to everything has been frustrating for me because I don't understand why she feels

a need to insert herself into every single conversation, whether it's with you guys or anybody else in the house. She seems to not want to address her own shit. I don't know. Do you feel like she's projecting her insecurities of her relationship onto you guys. Like what was the deal with that whole thing? Yeah. I mean, it was confusing, honestly, because I think, you know, outside of before we started filming last summer, I mean, we hung out with Danielle a fair amount of times as much as we possibly could, given she was in Aspen visiting Robert in the winter last year.

Obviously, we filmed the reunion and Danielle would come over to the apartment. We'd hung out. we we hung out with her a fair amount so she was seemingly very okay with our relationship and all that and then the summer started and it just slowly started kind of getting like where's this coming from and i i don't it makes me sad because i know the relationship of dating robert and the chef thing it's been hard but i think she was projecting a lot of her own insecurity about where they were at in their relationship the amount of times that she would visit with him or not see him. I mean, she basically was like a single girl in a relationship.

You know, always going out because, quite frankly, she could because Robert worked. You know, so it's different to be friends with someone who has all that freedom to go out all a time. Robert is locked into his career. So it made it polarizing for us just because, like, well, we're happy and we'd kind of do this and why aren't you wanting to go to Montauk or whatever it is. So I think a lot of her frustrations were coming out towards us. us, but they were really just response to her own things that she's dealing with, which is sad, because I know her and Robert ultimately broke up, which we found out, you know, in the fall, which I was like, I felt really bad. I like Robert a lot. You know, there's a lot of love for

Danielle, but I was like, oh, okay, like, interesting now hearing that. And I think Danielle hopefully will have a lot to reflect on watching back and, you know, I think understand where Lindsay's coming from and where I'm coming from about some of our frustrations. It's a lot easier on our show to point fingers at other people and talk about their shit than it is your own. But I will say talking about your own is a lot more freeing and actually gratifying because I feel a lot more honest and truthful. Early on in Seasons of Summer House, I remember it's a lot easier just to be like,

no, like point at Kyle and Amanda, is they're having issues. But it actually makes a better show when people can look within and actually bring more of themselves to the show with their own story. And the sad part is Danielle does have a lot going on that would be interesting. Her app and her business that she started, she's got a relationship with a chef that is difficult and, you know, one that you don't see a lot of, but there's a lot to probably explore there.

So it's hard because me and Lindsay and Kyle and Amanda kind of looked around and were like, well, is anybody else really going to have something else to talk about here. So I don't know. There's more of the season I haven't seen. Obviously, we were there. I think we're in episode six right now, and we've got maybe another 10 to go.

So there's more meat on the bone for you guys. Look, we're excited. I think what I definitely don't want to get lost here is, and Shooter touched on a little bit earlier. Like, we are fans of you. We're fans of you and Lindsay together. We're not rooting against anybody here. And, you know, for me personally,

I've taken stock in. I love watching your journey where you come from. I can relate to so many things that you say, like instances where I can see you getting uncomfortable or like kind of like feel that. I'm like, yeah, dude, I know the feeling like that sucks. Yeah. It's harder to express it, I'm sure, because you don't have somebody else sober in the house. And obviously, you know, with Lindsay getting sober for you, I think that's an amazing thing

that she was able to do that. But then it's also a different dynamic because, you know, I have friends that. you know stopped drinking for a while and then now they're back on the train fully like fully off the wagon and they'll talk to me while they're lit about being sober. I'm like what do you like I don't want to hear it. I don't need to hear that from you because like yeah like you went through it once but you're drinking again so you didn't it's not the same path and I just wanted to make sure like you understand like this is not none of this was malicious by any means. We just we wanted to get to the bottom because we love Summerhouse. We like shooter convinced me to a while.

watch way back because I never want I started with Vanderpump and then jumped into jersey because of my wife um but I dove into summer I was like wow this is great like I feel like I like these are my boys like parting in the Hamptons like I love seeing this shit and then we're watching it this year like oh this is like super serious and sad like yeah no I listen I I've always really appreciated you know the fans and the audience and the people who take the time to podcast or share their opinions about it trust me like it's great to see people passionate about what we've done and it means a lot i just i i do think it's nice sometimes to have the opportunity to shed more light on some things that maybe the audience doesn't know or or doesn't be privy to see but i you know

listen i even watching back this season i i see myself like you mentioned in some of these situations and i'm i cringe at myself even in eight months late nine months later i'm like fuck like i wish i would have been a little more strong or wish i would have had the right thing to say or whatever it was or funnier joke or you know like i've always now second guessing myself but I think it's all opportunities to grow and to learn. Absolutely. Again, I feel very lucky that I've been given the opportunity to still be on the show, even though I don't drink.

And trust me, I know it's different to watch, you know, a little bit more maturity, but I think this season, there's going to be like Kyle's birthday coming up in a couple episodes. You guys are going to lose your fucking minds. I hopefully, I mean, we have a, it's all, it's one of the best parties we have in a long time. Oh, good. And we were able to have more people because,

the permit was actually larger. Oh, okay. I'd love to hear that. That's a huge crazier. Perfect segue into you about the audience or whatever. I got some questions from a ton of our listeners that would love to ask you some things. So, and I love that this is the first one because we forgot to bring it up, but they did. From Blackbeard 601, do you and Lindsay realize how much you say, babe?

I mean, dude, I'm not going to lie. I don't think I realize how much you say it. We were on Watch What Happens Live after the premiere episode and they did like a Babe game and like these little heads flashed on the screen and you kept hearing Babe, babe. Oh, no. It was it was bad. I apologize to the audience on Watch What Happens Live. I don't know. I mean, I've always thought it's really cute when a couple has kind of their pet name or their funny kind of flirty thing.

Obviously watching it on TV and amplified. It's a lot. You know, we don't call each other babe as much as we used to probably. I was going to that was my follow-up question we've shifted in some other names um but trust me i i cringe a little bit at it and i get it it's it's probably like what the fuck these people are so annoying but i you're not even conscious of it you're just talking yeah well the self-awareness is great and honestly when you responded to our tweet i was going to tweet back at you and say anytime you want to come on babe then i was like i don't want to piss them off right away no that would have

have been great but yeah no i think it's listen i like i said i've always you know trying it at least this year to really get back and talk more openly and obviously i love when when two guys are talking about bravo because i will say i think summer house is probably bravo's like gateway drug yeah it's like the one thing that lowers most guys in like oh that's a good show like i can get down and then they start watching housewives and you know exactly what happens all right from sarah murf And historically, they have a really hard time saying names, so I always pick the easy ones now. But that's why I pick questions. Why do you think everyone in the house is so invested in y'all's relationship?

I mean, it's just been, it's almost like right of passage in the summer house that the relationships are kind of put on blast. You know, obviously Kyle and Amanda, we saw a lot of their ups and downs over the years. I think it's natural. Obviously, when you have two people that have been on the show individually going through their ups and downs, Lindsay and I, I think a lot of people had a lot of just questions whether it was going to work or what's the dynamic like, how is it going to be, which I embrace. Like, yeah, sure, have some some opinions, but I don't know. We were, we've been happy, obviously, to have all this tension towards us. It's frustrating.

I think the audience always is going to see kind of the other side of it, hopefully, and kind of realize, well, you got a bunch of people that are just pointing fingers and not willing to look at themselves. But unfortunately, it doesn't necessarily make a great show when it's like that. But I don't know. It's just one thing about reality TV. A lot of couples always get the limelight. And whether you're in a good place or a bad place, people are mad that you're happy or people are mad that you're unhappy. So it's always that conflict I think you're going to need on a show.

But relationships especially serious ones, you know, Kyle and Amanda had that crown for a couple seasons. So they probably really like not necessarily. Relinquishing that to you too. Yeah, here you go, Carl. you can have it. All right, I'll do a couple more.

Let's see. Oh, damn it. Here we go. From Edirinda headlights. I think I got that right. It was good. Great handle.

I don't know. That's close enough. Do you see a path forward for Lindsay and Danielle? You know, I'd like to think, yes. There's so much history and so much love, I think, between the two, whether they want to admit it or not. It's been really hard on Lindsay. I think she feels really hurt, you know, even watching some of it back.

And it's tough because loyalty is one of Lindsay's big things. You know, I think people are going to understand more as it continues to play out. But I'm always, glasses half full. You know, I'm trying to, in my own way, be promoting some positivity. And hopefully they can bridge the gap and talk. Because I think Danielle does feel hurt too. And she's allowed. but I don't know if it's

I think Lindsay's really tried and I'm hoping they can find a way to come together. It may not happen right away, but the reunion, I think will be a good opportunity. And I think Danielle's hopefully going to think maybe differently when she watches some of it back and go, okay, that's probably a tough thing to say about someone I considered a best friend to say.

And that's, again, I've always taken that opportunity. Like, I mean, a lot of my reunions, I've taken the time to be like, okay, like I need to really like apologize because I watched it back and that's not, you know, like to Jules, Jules on season four. Like I treated her very poorly and I felt really, I still feel a bit of bad about it. But I did my best to apologize. I've texted her, you know, and you do the best you can. But I'm hoping for the same for that, for them.

All right. Last question from Gons, Han. Gons Hand. He's some great handle name. John's Gons Nann. I hate this. How many sandwiches have you made hubs? Great question. I've made full meals for Lindsay. Wow. I've ordered sandwiches. So it's one of those things that it's just never going to go away, which is it's iconic. That's great. I'm not glad it actually had nothing to do with me. It was actually about Stravy. Yeah. Yes. Time. But yeah, I mean, we cook for each other all the time. She probably cooks more than I do, but I make full meals. I order her sandwiches occasionally. And what's funny is even at some of the lover boy events that we've done

when she came with me, we were in Philly, actually. We were actually, I'm sorry, we were in Cherry Hill at the total wine, and this lady brought a Primo Hogi, Italian Primo from, I was like, can we eat this? like I just felt like it was a nice gesture you needed to the sandwich but we got into the car after and I was like nothing against that person I don't know if I could eat this yeah but just maybe not you know maybe not it was a nice gesture but yeah the sandwich thing is hilarious I think if anything she should do like a collab with Katie Maloney

and Ariana at Vanderpump because they're opening a great call they're opening up a sandwich shop in LA they can have like the Lindsay activated sub Oh, I like that. The Lensi activated hero. Yes. Yeah. There you go.

But that kind of brings us to the end here. I just want to give you a chance to, you know, air anything out that you have. Like if you, anything you need to plug, do you want to talk to the audience directly or whatever you need? Yeah. No, listen, Steel and Shooter, thanks for having me on. Obviously, the audience, I'm hoping you have some bros who listen in. I love having more men watching Bravo. and watching our show.

So I appreciate the opportunity. And anybody who's listening, you know, whether you have a relationship that's difficult or whether you're going through your own personal stuff, you know, I hope, you know, you can understand that there's always, you know, a better way and there's always going to be improvement. It's going to take time. But, you know, you're not alone. I feel very lucky to be a part of, you know, a program like Summerhouse because it's allowed

us to evolve and to grow. And sure, it may take on different shapes and sizes. But, you know, it's been a hell of a journey. I mean, dude, seven years on TV. every summer for 11 weekends in a row going to the Hamptons it's only natural for things to evolve but I agree I'm optimistic that there's going to be some shifting and hopefully be you know kind to get back to the roots of what it's all about having a good time hooking up doing weird shit saying weird shit but getting along and not being so toxic so I think we've worked through some

shit but the reunion's going to be a big part of it so everybody who's listening watch the reunion and then we'll see how we move forward from there Buckle up. Yeah, buckle up. But again, no, thank you guys, and I appreciate the opportunity. I know I commented on the videos and keep them coming, man. I think it's great to have, you know, more people talk about the show. And what's even more beautiful, like you said, the opportunity to come in and shed light on, you know, my side of it.

And, you know, listen, I watch it back too. And I'm like, damn, like, this is dark. Damn, this is kind of like not what we hoped it would be. Yeah. We feel it too. We feel it too. But I think, you know, the powers that be and everybody that's involved is, is optimistic about it to turning, you know, to maybe a happier place and maybe some lighter drama. And I think over the next couple weeks, Kyle's birthday, Rowdy and then Corey is going to make an appearance, I think, at some point from winter off, which will add some serious bro energy.

Yeah, hell yeah. I mean, that guy drinks pre-workout and, like, you can see the veins just coming through. He's a lot of fun. So there's a UPS guy dropping something talking on the phone outside. I don't know if you heard that. No. What can Brown do for you? Yeah.

And I'll let shooters sign off after this. But I just want to say again, man, I really appreciate the openness with sobriety. I think that it's so important for people that are comfortable with being kind of in the spotlight with it, to speak up on it, to speak out about it, to kind of erase that stigma that comes along with it. And it's not easy, you know, and from you going. from where you've been and very publicly going through a lot of that shit has to be very difficult to deal with but it seems like you're doing a good job with it and it seems like you're moving forward constantly and I respect you for it and I appreciate the honesty honest it's it's really really cool to watch so I thank you very much appreciate that guys now thank you for that um yeah

I feel very lucky I mean quite frankly if I still was drinking I wouldn't be on summerhouse anymore so it's opened up a new chapter for me we'll see where that takes us in the future. But I'd like to think there's a little bit more longer left on the summer house bone. But, you know, we'll see. Fingers crossed. And then, yeah, we just need the audience to keep watching and keep pulling for us. So we'll keep them engaged for you. Thank you. Yeah. Keep talking, boys. Keep the brab bros going. I wish I had thought of this idea for for a podcast, Bravo Bros. Dude, you can come on whenever you want. Yeah. If you want to jump on. It's like, you know, I know Pat McAfee's got Aaron Rogers kind of do his, like,

you can be our Aaron. I mean, you probably don't want to be Aaron Rogers, but you can be our Rogers. You'll be our Aaron. I'll go to a darkness retreat for at least three days now. If you want to be on the show again, you have to go to the darkness retreat. I'll go to a darkness retreat, and then I'll come back and report. Tell us about it. Yeah.

I love this idea. That'll be what I do. But yeah, I appreciate it. I'll definitely come on again. Let me know when this, you know, you guys get this all done. I'll reshare it. and yeah monday night i think i'm going to drop it immediately after um the episode airs just to kind of piggyback on it a little bit awesome yeah i'll reshare everything and and of course tell

your wife i said hello again thanks for what do you mean by that shooter keep taking hot takes coming man i got i think you're going to find some fun and some some goodness soon so i appreciate being so passionate awesome thanks all thanks again call we appreciate it thanks guys yeah cheers see I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the L.A. Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from the League, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters. We love movies, and we come at them from different perspectives. Yeah, like Amy thinks that, you know, Joe Pesci was miscast in Goodfellas, and I don't. He's too old.

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