Bros & Shows - Chicken Smoothies, Meeting Families and A Pods Reunion Hoedown (LIB ep 7+8+9 full recap)

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

What's up Bros? This show is nuts. These three episodes we see a return to Denver and how these couples integrate into real life. There are so many red flags its getting hard to count. Megan and Jordan seem like they may have a shot. Edmund is turning into an actual child in front of our eyes as KB attempts to deal with that. Nick and Annie are perfect for each other... Donno if thats a good thing. Joe and Madison appear to be getting more and more toxic for one another. Patrick gets a second chance with Anna. There is so much content to discuss that we cant even write half of it here. Tune in to find out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, we could not have been more wrong about the format of this show, but it actually makes it kind of better because I never know what to expect week to week. This shit's nuts. Yeah. Do we just stop guessing what's going to happen? Because I don't even know how many episodes are left at this point. Four. Is it just how many? Four, right?

10, 11, 12, and then reunions 13. We're doing it again. I don't want to make it stop. I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only love is goots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. Didn't know what to expect going into this show. Boy, am I a... I don't even know the word to use.

I'm not confused. I'm definitely entertained. Perplexed. This is one of the best. You know what this is? You know how when we're watching Love Island and we just constantly get to the point where we're like,

I don't want to see what happens when they get drunk? This is what this is. This is pretty much what this is. And it's bad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But we talked about it last week. I feel like that's important

because you have to know all sides of this. person because you're getting married. So I feel like, well, the booze definitely makes things worse because we see a lot of stupid shit. Is that not kind of important though? It's absolutely

important. And it just depends on which which way you want to look at this. So obviously, I think what happens in these shows all the time and I'm going to lump them all together, Bachelor, Bachelor in Paradise, Love is Blind. and Love Island, if you want to throw it in there.

We always, you and I will typically talk about what happens to the psyche of a person when they're on a show like this. We're getting that, but it almost gets overlooked. And I feel like I find myself reigning back in saying, you know what, maybe that person isn't a terrible person. Maybe they're just really having a hard time. Like I did it with Casey last week. I'm like, she's just having a hard time coming to grips with the fact.

that she has to get engaged, and then she comes right out and her confessional and says, actually, I'm not attracted to Patrick and I don't think I ever will be. It's like, well, you're just lying and being an asshole. And also nobody's making you say that. But I do think that this is one of those situations where the pods are probably grueling and it probably sucks way more than we know. Then you go to Mexico and you're seeing a person that you're going to get married for

the first time and trying to figure out if you have physical chemistry. By the way, here's 17 shots of tequila. Have fun. Let's see how this goes. By the way, you're getting married in three weeks. Have fun. This should work out really well. You're speed running through like an entire relationship with people, which works for you and works against you. We talk about it with KB and Edmund.

You don't have to wait fucking two years in a relationship with KB to have sex after marriage, dude. You don't have to make a big deal about it. She's just asking to wait a few weeks. Not that big of a deal. But at the same time, it is a pretty big fucking deal that you are getting married in three weeks. So you should be freaking out. And by the way, here's 17 more shots of tequila. So it is a very funny situation that we have on our hands.

And it makes it so wild. And I know if we talk about it with other shows, there's got to be like a huge insurance adjustment for this. Like there's liabilities all over the place. You've got these people. And obviously you've got cameras in there and producers everywhere. But these people are getting hammered and they're already at their breaking point from the pods, let alone being in Mexico with a new person, let alone getting married in a couple of weeks.

let's get them drunk and see what happens probably not the best idea but for an entertainment value it is unmatched it's pretty damn entertaining because and let's jump in a little bit we're just going to kind of jump we're doing 7 8 and 9 episode 7 8 9 in this episode it's going to get chaotic we're not going chronologically we're just going to talk about couples which will lead to other things, but this was, I believe, probably the most important block that they've dropped, if we're going to call it a block of three episodes, because this is the real world, this is leaving vacation, this is first time, second time, even third time conflicts for some conflict resolution, meeting families, house hunting, like, this is some real life shit.

And it's this interesting crossover of reality TV. but it's actually real life. This will affect you for the rest of your life, potentially, which is kind of a, it's a new place for us to be, because we either do like completely unscripted or, you know, housewives or whatever. So this is a new place to be.

And it's watching them in real time balance this. I'm on a show and kind of, but I'm a home now. And this is starting to settle in a little bit that this is real. And I think that's also causing, some of the tension and turmoil that we're seeing is them coming to grips with oh fuck this is my life now that's not just a fun tv show or there's so many different approaches here like i would imagine a standard type of person would probably see how it goes oh we're living together

let's see how this goes yeah you can come see my apartment yeah you can come meet my kid i don't understand and i'll start with sparkle megan you're already deciding that you're selling a house in L.A. and you're putting that equity into a home that you want to live with this man. Like, I applaud you for really believing in the experiment and really selling it and really getting into everything. But that's not a normal thing to do.

And it's just, I always get brought back to what I said last week. There's a reason why these people are single and they're on a TV show trying to find love and get married in a couple of weeks. And we're seeing little cracks here and there. I think this block, 7, 8, 9 was, oh, fuck, this is, okay, this is why you're sickled. Now, now I actually understand it. You are making some crazy decisions, and it's all for the love of the show, and it's all for our entertainment value.

But, Jesus, people, what are we doing here? Yeah, we see a lot of things kind of popping off. I mean, the seven, banana, episode seven picks up with Joe and Madison and the aftermath of that whole thing. Obviously, we talked at length about Joe's role in that last week was atrocious and watching this whole thing shake out. They get through the conflict. I guess we're starting off with Joe and Madison. They get through the conflict there. And, you know, Joe is very apologetic.

He's trying to say the right things. And in my mind, I'm like, oh, Madison seems so sweet and so nice and normal. And Joe, what a fucking idiot. Maybe it was one bad night, whatever. Didn't love what I saw. I think that's a big red flag for Madison, but they're trying to make this work. So she is okay with him. They're fine.

And it does feel over these course of three episodes, I do think Joe is starting to fall in love with her. I do think he's starting to feel more for her than we originally saw. But it's also interesting because, and I want to get your take on this scene, when they move into the condos or the apartments, whatever we're going to call those, Joe and Madison are talking. and Joe brings up some, you know, he's a little nervous about some stuff. He's got some reservations about some stuff. I didn't think what he was saying was nuts. I thought he was trying to talk about it. Yeah.

I thought her reaction came on a little strong that time. What were your thoughts on that? But do you think it was just like some sort of residual issue that they had where now she's really scared about being with Joe because of how it ended in Mexico? No, because her big is that he's questioning anything. Herbic thing is like, what do you mean you're not all in kind of deal? Somebody said something. I've actually crossed over in The Love is Blind TikTok, which is actually really fun because I'm missing things while I'm watching. And we're watching, you know, three episodes at a time, which there's so much goddamn content.

I don't know what to do with myself. But somebody pointed out and said, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe's on this show because it was a fantasy football punishment. he came in last place last year and they said oh you got to apply for love is blind that's what you have to do you have to go through with it like i can easily see that i do agree with you i do think that he's kind of coming back to the reality that is you did fall in love with madison in some way shape or form while you guys were in the pods so maybe there is something in there that you can kind of just hone in on and just find a way through and start to you know bond for lack of a better term i thought he had the right approach though. And I'm surprised we didn't see more of this. And we did see, you know,

a lot of growing pains, if you want to put it that way for a lot of the couples. But I thought that we should have seen more like, hey, you know, this is what I do. I wake up in the morning, I do this. Like, how is that going to, is there going to be conflict with your schedule? Is there going to be conflict with what you want to do? And this is what I do when I get home. Like I did think that he had a pretty pragmatic approach. That's what I thought. But yeah, Madison's, Madison's response was very much so. And again, if it was because she's still upset about what happened of Mexico and now she's second guessing, that's completely fine. If it wasn't, then I don't know what this was because it's not that backwards for him to be questioning things just based

on, hey, I haven't lived together with someone in a while. How do you live? Let's try to figure this out. That's what it seemed like to me. Yeah. And you know, the the reality of this could be forever in four weeks. And like, we're trying to figure things out. Like, are you not a little apprehensive about this. It's like, well, yeah, of course, I am. He's like, well, I would love to hear you say that sometimes. And she takes that as, I just thought that her reaction, you know, she says, like, of course you can talk to me about these things.

It's like, well, he tried to. And then he got really mad and took your ring off. So this whole thing just seems super toxic now on both sides of the street. I'm not saying Joe's a great dude. He still had that freak out in Mexico. And we see glimpses of it throughout these three episodes. it just seems overly toxic. It seems like you guys are just budding heads.

And of course, when we get to like the parents scene when we're meeting the family, like of course that goes well. And of course everyone's on their best behavior and shows like, every parent scene went well. Like where the fuck are the parents that walk in and saying, what the hell are you doing?

This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Like yeah, we haven't seen. We only saw one half of this. Yeah. That's a good point. And you know, there are some friends mixed in,

which I can't wait. to talk about the friend scene. Oh, my God. Yeah, too. But for Joe and Madison, like, I agree with you. I think he did, he was probably incredibly nervous going into that. Obviously, you're going to be. And then at the end of it, his family loves her.

And she does a great job. And she's beautiful and sparkling and engaging in conversation and going back and forth. And it seems like it kind of puts everybody's fears to rest. And that's when he kind of clicks in, like, I love this girl. this is the girl that i want to be with it's like okay that's actually kind of nice to see you still have a problem when you get too drunk with the boys you are on this show to meet somebody like madison not meet somebody like i don't know any of the other guys that you're flirting with jordan mostly yeah people people are hypothesizing that uh he just wants to hook up to jordan which

you know fine if you guys want to go do that go ahead and do that but gives the vibe yeah it was funny watching it changed so quickly from mexico where we're questioning what his intentions are Did he just see her and go, oh, that's not exactly my type. I don't want to do this anymore. And then just start spiraling and drinking. No, we actually saw a little bit of redemption here where he says, I kind of love this girl. And all it really took was hanging out with his parents, letting tensions just kind of die down. But here on the other side, we've got Madison taking off her ring.

She doesn't want to do it anymore. They're budding heads about literally everything. It was kind of weird to watch, honestly, the two of them interact. My big thing is like, I know that this is, like you said, speed running a two-year relationship. But I do think that if every fight gets to this toxic level of you're cussing at each other, voices are raised, rings are being taken off, it's uncomfortable to watch it. It's got to be even more uncomfortable to be in.

You're rolling your eyes at each other. It's like, on one hand, sure, we're rushing to marriage. On the other hand, you guys have only been dating for like two weeks. This shouldn't be happening. This shouldn't happen in healthy relationships ever, let alone. two weeks in how much of that do you credit to the pressure cooker that is the show that's where they are they are so strung out i'm sure still like exhausted from the pods exhausted from exploring connections and now they're working settling while doing this yeah now it's like all right you had a

couple of days in mexico have fun getting drunk in the sun with somebody that you haven't met before but you're going to see if you have chemistry with oh by the way we're going back to Denver and you have to go to work on Monday. Like, talk about the worst Sunday scleries of all time. I really enjoyed, and I don't know why. I don't know if you caught this when they're doing the apartment tours, which was very funny because it's like, are you guys living at these places? Like we're spending a lot of time in apartments and we're doing house hunting stuff,

but whatever. Going back to, uh, to Joe's apartment, he goes, yeah, that's my PS5 that I play with here and there. One, you probably play every night. Don't undersell that because you do. Two, that's a PS4, buddy. what are you trying to do here i don't know i see i was writing stuff i didn't hear him say ps4 or five yes so that one that one kind of like made me stand up like what are we doing here

i don't know what this is but either way i do wonder how much of it is the pressure cooker of the show because they are both they both have to be strung out and all over the place i don't think they're going to make it i don't know what you think i don't either i don't imagine it's not going to work out i they give the vibe about that they're going to get married and just be miserable for three years and then that's a good point. Yeah, that's a really good point, actually. I don't know.

It's just I see a guy in Joe and he had a really rough showing down to Mexico. It made no sense. But I see a guy in Joe that's almost looking at Madison while she's breaking down during these very, you know, frequent times trying to figure out a way to support her and he doesn't know how to. And he's just simply asking her, can you tell me how you want me to support you? Because that might work. Because everything I'm doing is completely wrong.

We get a lot of that. Yeah. There is a lot of that where it's like for a show that starts off with, hey, communicate and see how it goes. And you'll find the love of your life. They're doing no communication. They're just breaking down left and brain. What do you need for me? What do you need for me?

No one knows what anybody needs. I don't need anything from you. Yeah, exactly. like it's such an emotional roller coaster where you don't know and i don't think you ever will know unless you talk to them directly how much of this and i don't they probably don't even fucking know how much of this is you how much of this is sleep deprivation how much of this is anxiety from the cameras how much of this is we're forcing you to introduce this person in an already uncomfortable situation to your family and your family has to sign off on them we're selling houses we're buying

houses. We're working amidst all of this. So I don't really know. But I think, yeah, to sum up Joe and Madison, I don't think they'll make it, but I do think we're going to see a wedding. Yeah. Yeah, you think they're going to get married and then just be miserable. And be just miserable. Yeah. That is one thing that I will, I will keep my eyes on. Oh, yeah. The love is blind couples because I am heavily invested. Without a doubt. The Hulu original series Murdoch Death and the Family dives into secrets, deception, murder, and the fall of a powerful dynasty.

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When we saw these two finally meet and we knew how weird and quirky admin was, we said, seems to be handling this really well she loves his quirks this actually might be the strongest couple the more that this happens and obviously there's other things in between you know we saw the thing in mexico where he was throwing an absolute his he fit because everybody else everybody else got laid but i didn't get laid weird in cell behavior of course the first thing he does in this apartment is take out the shelves inside the cabinet and say i can fit in here watch me fits in the cabinet kb's not having it she is not

as excited. She's not laughing. She's not goofing around with them anymore. It is very cut and dry. It's very serious now when it comes to KB. I think she's had it with Ed. And look, they could make it. I think the mom scene helped a lot. And that was kind of interesting. I did like his mom, but wasn't one of the things that he did in the pod say that like he didn't really have a childhood and he didn't really have anything. And she was kind of talking through. He had a whole breakdown about his childhood and saying that like his mom wasn't really there. That his mom shows up and she seemed lovely and she was talking right yeah yeah that's no i'm really confused and i don't know who to blame with my confusion because my confusion has to go somewhere i'm not keeping it's not

i got to send it somebody i'll probably send it to edmund honestly but that really confused the shit out of me but that could have been a a bit of a a good deal breaker if you will a deal repairer what's what's the opposite of a deal breaker uh deal maker uh deal maker let's call it a deal maker yeah uh that could have been a big deal maker see how i use something that we just created together right after I said it. Isn't that nice? You still butt heard about peculiarity? Yeah.

I can't say it. Peculiarity. Peculiarity. Peculiarity. Oh, I can't say it. Yes. It's no word. If it is even a real word.

All right. All right. Fine. I'll let you go. But either way, they strike me as very odd. They had, I think some of the cuter scenes, like the roller skates were kind of adorable. She seemed excited about it. I liked watching him.

just kind of like pull her around the house trying to teach her. Didn't look like she really knew what she was doing, but also who rollerblades in an apartment? That's kind of funky. It's not your apartment necessarily. So who gives the shit about them floors? I don't know. Like they still have those cute moments,

but I do see some breaks in the armor where it's like, so I really want to be with Ed. And that's really just KB's question. I don't really care what Ed thinks about KB at this point. No, it's not up to him. It's up to KB and how she wants to move forward with him. And I don't know which way she's going to go. But this is about as even as it's been.

I think from what I saw over the course of three episodes, and we'll dive into some of their highlights or low lights for Ed. Whichever. Calabre is a grown-ass woman. Mm-hmm. Right? She handles her shit. She's very emotionally intelligent.

She's able to handle Ed. Ed's a child. Right? He's a little kid. Sure, he's quirky. Yeah, he's cute. I'm sure you love him. him. This man can't have a conversation with you. He just says, I love you when there's

conflicts. So, like, when you take that and then you go back to Mexico where she came up with the hypothetical scenario of, if a man grabbed my arm, what would you do? And she acknowledges it at the, the hoe down that they have when they go mechanical bull riding. He's not an alpha male in the slightest. He's not even a grown up in the slightest. The man hid in a cabinet and thought it was silly, right? Yeah. Like, I get it. that you love him or love this idea of him. But at the same time, you're an adult. He's not.

I don't see this one working out because I think that it's going to, she's going to run out of the patience that she got where she fell in love with this man that she may not have gone for in the past because they connected behind a wall. But now you have to deal with this shit. Now you have to potentially explain to people why your husband is kissing a floor we're hiding in a cabinet we're throwing a temper tantrum because you didn't get any last night and also like just kind of reflecting on the last scene that we see while they're at the i keep wanting to call it a hoe down i'm just going to call it a hoe down at this point i mean it is

it's a bit of a hoot nanny um i don't know what the fuck it is but these dudes they are one they're giving dudes everywhere a bad name just trying to do like the whole boy trope like oh my boys are here i'm going to be completely different i don't think any of them have fucking friends except for Anton, which got him in trouble. But I think the rest of them don't have friends and they just have this idea of what it's like to be with the boys and they're more excited with the boys than they are with their own girls. And this is what the whole show is supposed to be is you guys building a relationship.

And yeah, you do have to figure out how to be with your significant other while you're with your friends and tow that line where you're not making jokes at anybody's expense and you're not making any weird comments. But when he says something at the end, and I don't know exactly what he said. you have it written down or maybe you don't when he says something and he's talking to someone else one of the guys and he just kind of brushes it off oh it was uh it was somebody just referring to uh to nick is being perfect or jordan is being perfect one of those i wrote it down right here and he says nick is perfect and edwin's responses that would be so nice that would be so nice

he's so desperate for affirmation in any way shape or form that he's and what he doesn't get by doing that you're implying that kb doesn't give you anything you're implying that she takes you for granted and treats you like she's tolerating all of your weird fucking like quirks and all these stupid things that you're doing she doesn't have to do any of this she could have just washed her hands of you as soon as you guys got out and as soon as you did the whole weird uh the whole hissy fit that you threw about the sex thing the whole weird thing you're doing with rubbing her feet which obviously everybody knows what you're trying to do all of the weird shit that you've done that she's been putting up with and you're acting like she doesn't actually love you

or you're acting like she doesn't give you any sort of words of affirmation. And I'm surprised that we haven't done this whole love language trope on this show as we've seen on other shows. What's your love language? What's your love language? These people strike me as the quintessential.

Here's my love language. And if you don't actually honor that ever, then we're done. And I don't know how to act. Annie definitely. Annie, for sure. And we'll get to her. I'm not looking forward to that actually.

But no, at that whole, breakdown at the end because I mean we can talk about her mom or his mom for a little bit like yeah it was a nice scene she says a lot of great things about Edmund a lot of these moms say a lot of things about their kids that I don't personally see but you know it is what it is and yeah I think that was a big step forward and a much needed win for Edmund because I'm sure KB was like ooh I don't know and then mom comes in it's like oh it's really sweet like I do love this man, I love your son, blah, blah, blah. So you get kind of a reprieve and you get back to somewhat neutral after some of the

bullshit that he's been doing. But then you get to this scene, this is much more than just him throwing a fit because she didn't say that he's perfect, you know? And like the desperate need for that affection in that regard is such, I mean, that's to be the biggest turnoff ever in the history of anything. And her standing there. Responses, every single one of his responses to her are awful. and horrible, just needy and such a child

that eventually somebody like KB who seems like she has her entire fucking life together and also she does work in social work. So she probably works with children and can probably draw some parallels. Like, oh, yeah, Edmund, you're kind of acting like that kid I was dealing with the other day. You see her.

Like literally parent him. We admire. We don't compare, Edmund. Like stuff like that. And again, it makes, It makes it seem like she's not doing enough. He's like, I don't hear enough positive from it. It's like, Jesus Christ, dude.

Like, what the fuck do you need? You need Siri to tell you throughout the day. Like, you're a great guy. I don't know what you want from this woman, but she's trying to have a relationship with an adult. And I'm glad she checks him in this ho-down scene where she's like, look, you started with me, and I didn't do a fucking thing to you. And now you're cutting me off incessantly.

And you need to grow up. You need to be able to conversation. And then he goes over to, he's like, I really do love you. And she's like, we've talked about this. I need you to talk to me so we can get on the same level and figure this out. But you can't do that. You just keep saying that, I love you, I love you, I love you. Answer the fucking question, Edmund, answer the question.

And he says, you might want to walk away. And she does. And this is the first breakdown we've ever heard from KB. She doesn't even do it in front of the camera. She goes to the bathroom and has just an ever so slight cry to try to get her shit together, comes back out. Edmund tries to approach he's like you can fuck right off I'm gonna go have fun

see ya I just truly don't think that Edmund is enough of a grown up to make this work and I think KB deserves a lot better absolutely absolutely and like that's the other thing

like I might die I might die walking over to like all of his oh yeah guys there it's like dude what do you want from them and thank God Jordan's like no be accountable and go back there and talk up no you can't because she's gone now because you're an idiot i just because jordan's the only one that we've seen because we've seen this like boy get together where they all say stupid shit they all do dumb shit and then they

get reprimanded not even really reprimanded just told by their significant other stop fucking you're embarrassing me jordan's the only one who's actually changed his behavior and realized one these people aren't really your friends you're not going to hang out with these dudes you're going to have these weird little like reunions but nobody's going to be together anymore The only one that I really give like a genuine shot to, which I still have my concerns about, is probably just Jordan and Megan. But I think that they're very different people. And obviously we see a lot of that play out in these episodes. There's just going to be dictated on can it's not are they good for each other.

It's can they overcome the difference. That's it. And the difference is financing. That's it. Like lifestyle and finances. Like if they can get over that hurdle and be in a place where, you know, it's not going to be weird, then I'd, do think that they are the most mature and realistic couple. Yeah, I agree. Absolutely. And this is the second get-together that we've seen, the one in Mexico.

We can chalk it up to it's your first time down there. You got out of the pods. You're getting a little drunk with everybody that you were hanging out with. Fine. Whatever. Jordan got a little reprimanded by Megan during that. He's now course corrected. And this is the second instance that we see this. He's not feeding into everybody else's bullshit. Joe's getting drunk over here talking shit on Nick, which I can't wait to talk about. We've got Edmund over here. coming back for sympathy from the guys. Edmund strikes me as somebody who doesn't actually have any guy friends. He comes back and Jordan's like, get the fuck out of here. What are you doing? Like go spend time with your significant other. That's what this is all about. Then looks at Megan and Megan's like, oh, yeah, cool.

The thing about the hoe down that really bothered me, I thought it was going to be so much messier bringing everybody back, showing different connections that you had in the pods. And it really wasn't. It was almost like a true testament to what people are building. And I'm really looking at Jordan and Megan, which I want to get into next after. We're done with Ed and KB.

I think we are done with them, actually. I'm looking through my notes to make sure that we got everything. It was just like, with those two in particular, it's absolutely fascinating, you know, because I don't know people like Edmund. Like I don't know quirky people, but not to that degree. And it's just fascinating again because KB seems so with it and put. together and normal and she's so patient and I think that's probably a testament to her social work that she's able to handle this so in that respect but like do you want to that's my want to

have to bring your work home with you to try to take care of this man baby who can't even talk to you because you checked them a little bit which he needed to be checked because no you don't owe him you're perfect and the fact that he like that's the one thing and then we can move on and I'm sure it's something to do with his childhood. Actually, I'm positive at something to do with his childhood. The incessant need or the crazy reaction to hearing

somebody say that. Just hearing the words come out of someone else's mouth, which by the way, you know Nick. He's not perfect. He's a giant piece of shit. Nobody likes Nick. For you to hear that out of her mouth and have this visceral reaction, again,

it's a crazy thing to do. It's even crazier because it's making KB seemed like she's some awful person that never compliments you. The fact that she puts up with you in general is a compliment, Ed. It's a huge compliment, an absolute compliment. But I think we could talk about those two all day, but we'll move on. I want to get into Jordan and Sparkle, Megan, who I brought back to Sparkle for because she wore a lot of sparkles in these episodes.

And it wasn't too much. It wasn't too much. It doesn't seem fucked up. It's not like the Step Brothers thing now where it's like, all right, the Sparkle's kind of seem fucked up now. They're actually okay. They're almost tasteful sparkles. These two, I think that they're the most mature sounding people, at least in terms of a couple across the board.

They're working through a lot of things, everything that they say when it comes to Luca, when it comes to Jordan's X, when it comes to what Megan's doing for work. It seems like they're being pragmatic. They're weighing all of their options. I think Jordan is petrified about what's going on. And why wouldn't he be? they want to find a house, which I think is ludicrous. I think it is up a fucking wall that Megan is going and talking about selling her LA place for $1.5 million to then buy this house for two. And all they have to do is get a loan, which by the way, if this is how you're setting up and look, maybe Jordan's just not well off enough or he's not making enough money to actually think about having a $250,000 loan in his name, but it's really $500,000.

whatever. She's putting in 75% or actually more, 88% of the equity. All you have to do is pay off 12 and you get to live in a $2 million house. That seems like a great deal to me. It seems like a great deal to me. I have no issues with that. But it is a very scary tactic for Megan to be automatically pushing this button. And I think what we're doing is we're getting a glimpse into how she operates that she is so built into what's going on with this experiment. She likes the experiment. because it's going somewhat well and she thinks that she made the right choice with Jordan, that now she's just balls to the wall. And I bet you that's what she does in business still. So the one counter, I'll play. I'll play devil's advocate here with Megan, specifically just Megan. If there was anybody else on this show, I wouldn't say this. But financially speaking, maybe she was leaving L.A. already.

She's in Denver for a reason. She could have been looking for a house already. Now she's just getting a bigger house. but she had a $1.5 million home in L.A., which obviously is not going to be nearly as big as what you can get in Colorado for $1.5 million. But because of her financial freedom and the fact that she sold her company and she's just working from home, it's not as much of a crazy leap for me for her to be purchasing this house because she also strikes me as somebody that's not financially irresponsible because she has money.

So do I see where you're coming from from like a normal human being? Absolutely. Buying a house, I will say, and I've done some research on it, the couples in love is blind, like 98% of them break up. They don't, they might get married at the end of it, but they end up breaking up. So the idea of getting on a $500,000 loan with somebody from love is blind is irresponsible. That's all I'm going to say about that. I agree with that. That's different, right?

That would be financially irresponsible to do that. I'm just saying the grand scheme of like, all right, you purchase a home in Denver. You know, it's a beautiful house. Odds are you can probably sit on it and sell that house again in a year or two. But I just, I get where you're coming from. But I also see the other side of it where it's like, eh, you know, whatever. I also weirdly have a lot of faith in this couple. And it's interesting watching them next to the other couples.

And just in this show in general, it feels. almost like we're watching a rom-com I said this a few times. Yeah, it does. But even especially with when we're at the hoe down and you've got Mike coming back in the picture, like that's a scene from a fucking movie. You know, Mike walks over.

Like, can I steal your girl? You mind? It's like, yeah, bitch, that's my fiance. Of course I mind. You were her love interest. Fuck off, pal. But Jordan being a nice guy's like, yeah, of course, man, go do your thing. And of course, Mike is trying. There's also security in there. It's almost like I got a sense of Mike, or I got a sense that Jordan was secure.

enough in their relationship, which is crazy to say on the show that he didn't care that Mike was, he's like, I know Mike was going to come in and talk to her. I'm not really worried about it. And I wasn't worried about it. I wasn't either. And watching Megan talk to him, like obviously there's going to be some weird feelings there. And she voices that, which I think is okay. I don't think that she, it was inappropriate anything she said. She was addressing some of the things between the two of them. What Mike was doing was slimy. Mike was looking for an opening. He was looking for any. That's why he was saying certain things. That's why he said, I'm sorry I made you cry.

He's bringing up the emotional part again intentionally. And he's also feeling butt hurt because he recognizes that when he fully lost her was when he walked out of that room and he pushed her towards Jordan. So now he's playing the card of like, oh, and then he takes a shot at the ring. Fuck off, dude. We get it. You got money. You're literally solidifying without even knowing it why she didn't pick you because you are her exes.

and you're being one of her exes in this moment, literally and figuratively. I'm still incredibly confused about the rings because he even says, or I'm sorry. There's none left to pick. Megan says there were none left to pick of that cut. So I think I got it. I think I got it. Love is blindings giving them rings, right? I think they have to.

I think that they have the rings, right? I think they're there. I think that you pick one and pay. probably a portion of it, but you have to select from this set of rings and you have to get to that point where a proposal is imminent and then you get to choose. Do I know for a fact? Not at all. I don't know anything. That's what I think. It makes a ton of sense. But also the idea that you didn't get the exact ring that you wanted while being on love is blind is very laughable to me. I think that's incredibly funny. And look, if you make it, and this is just me

thinking if you end up making it and everything's going well who's to say you don't get a more special rig maybe you buy another here you do you have to get another one yeah you can go put that put that one on a necklace somewhere that's fine put it on something else i don't care but here's your actual engagement ring now that we've gotten to the point where this isn't a joke anymore and here you go this is the ring that you want to put that one on the mantel yeah exactly it's a good talking piece when we're uh discussing how we met to our grandchildren Fine, I don't care about that. But I love the tactic that Mike says, oh, I would have gotten that for you.

You know I would have gotten that. Like, you're a loser, buddy. You're on Love is Blind. What are you talking about? Like, what are we doing here? Yeah, and anybody watching Love is blind is not going to fuck you, sir, because they see how you move. And that's the other thing. What he was doing when he said, I almost slid into your DMs was asking permission to slide into her DMs.

Correct. Yeah. That's what he was doing. It wasn't I held off. It was, I almost did that. I'm such a good guy. I'm such a good guy that I did. Because I don't want to,

I don't want to bother you while you're exploring your connection. Yeah, sure. You could have put an inflection in his voice at the end and a question mark. And it would have been the same exact sentiment. And she returns with, good, I'm glad you didn't do that. He's like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, me too, me too. Yeah. Anyway, I would have tried anything, nothing.

Are you guys going to get married? Yeah, we are. Fuck. I lost. All right. Wow. I missed. Wow.

What a loser. That's really all he was concerned about was losing to a guy like Jordan. Like he may never recover from this. And that's great. And when he goes on his, uh, his retreat with his weird like men in business cult or whatever the fuck he was talking about, he goes on that same shit that Louis Ruelas goes on and screams and fights in the ocean with a bunch of dudes. That's what he's going.

Yeah, that's exactly what he does. And when he goes there, he's going to have a very different story about what happened here and what transpired and why he didn't get picked. He was just too good for her. She was, she was intimidated. by the things that he does with his boys when he goes on those retreats. That's all it was. There are vampires out there.

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Yes, huge, monumental, earth-shaking. Heartbeat sound effect, big. Mait is back. That's right. After a brief snack nap. We're coming back. We're picking snacks. We're eating snacks.

We're raiding snacks. Like the snackologist we were born to be. Mates is back. Mike and Tom, eat. snacks wherever you get your podcast unless you get them from a snack machine in which case you call us um what did you think about the smoothie look uh you know me you know that uh i will drink a lot of things that are people might frown upon especially fitness related like a weird protein shake i'll give it a whirl sure you couldn't fucking pay me to try that shit what

What are we doing? 55 grams of protein, my guy, there's a lot of ways to get quick and easy protein. I wish we had a protein sponsor to plug it right now. We're not, we're not doing this. We're not grinding up a chicken leg or a fucking chicken tender in a neutral bullet with crystal light. Crystal light is gross and chicken ground up is gross with water. What are we doing? Yeah, dude. That was one of the most disgusting things that I've ever seen in my life. I would to move on quickly from it and just go to the Luca situation. I actually like how they approached all of this. I think it's perfect.

I think it seems like, and all we're hearing is that Megan met the ex, Megan met Luca's mom, and it seems like maybe they met her current boyfriend or husband or whatever that situation is. And they agreed, yeah, Luca's not going to be on camera. I am going to meet him on Friday, though,

because that's important. And he does want to meet me. And every time he FaceTime, it seems like he wants to meet Megan. and that makes me feel really good about that, they handled that situation perfectly. I love the way that they handled it. If it was anything more than that,

it would have seen weird and we would have questioned everything. I have no questions about it because that's exactly how a normal person would handle it. Do we want to see that scene where she meets Luca? Yeah. Sure. Are we so much happier that they are not putting that child on the screen? Yes. Yeah.

He doesn't need to be on the show. And so, like, listening to how she handled the entire situation from start to finish, he's always at the forefront as Jordan says which is awesome she's doing it the right way she has a connection to this kid although she's never met him you know he's on FaceTime saying when do I get to meet Megan which is really cool this scene where they're in the apartment and you know she's overly stressed about it and he's trying to calm her down but she's like you know it's stressful I was like that's real this is a realistic conversation Jordan handled it well

he let her vent and continue to vent she's voicing some pretty legitimate concerns where she's nervous about certain things. I think that what we saw here and we don't see it on Bravo. So it's refreshing to see it here was putting the child first. Everybody put the kid first. And I think that she handled herself extremely well to build that confidence with Jordan, with the ex, to be comfortable with allowing Luca to come into their lives because it is a crazy situation.

And I think that the questions of, so we're supposed to get married a week after I meet your son, like that sucks. And it's like, that's the right, yeah, because you want to build a connection with him too. Wow, what a mature way to it. It's just weird that we're watching this on this show because they both seem so emotionally intelligent. They both seem to have a good head on their shoulders.

So maybe, just maybe, and I'll eat my words or some weird shit comes out, maybe this is just two people. Megan, her business life was so fucking crazy. She never really had a chance to pursue love, and she always went for the douchebag. So she just found herself up. It's creep without a paddle.

So she tried a Hail Mary and go on love is blind. Jordan, single dad, working hard to provide his kid a good life, dated maybe for a little bit. Things got too hard with the kids. So he's like, fuck it. I'm out of the dating pool. And he sees this weird opportunity show up. He throws a Hail Mary. And they both just catch each other's balls.

So rom-com is what you're doing. It's a rom-com. We're watching a rom-com play out in real time. I've never rooted for a reality show couple quite as hard as these two. And again, what we need to be able to overcome, and it's not even an ego thing. It's not like Jordan's like, I'm the man. I need to provide. He's like I've just never been in this position.

And I don't want to feel like I'm mooching or taking advantage of the fact that she has money. Meanwhile, Jordan, a very mature comment. I don't want to hold her back from the lifestyle that she wants to live. That's not fair. And I don't think, I don't foresee it being a problem with Megan. She's never giving me that vibe where it's like, oh. No, she's not doing what Ali and Anton are doing, which we'll get to in a minute. she does say all of the right things

and I have no reason to question what she's saying when Jordan has those insecurities and he's talking it out with her and it makes a lot of sense and that's what I'm saying it seems like we're watching them kind of grow together and understand what each other are going to do and what they want to get out of this what they want to do moving forward and how they're going to approach it pragmatically

and it's wild to watch on a love is blind show and watching them and then we can go to Anton and Ali because wow but you know I was afraid of the house house when they walked in, like, ah, I think he's going to do too much here and it's going to be uncomfortable. It wasn't. He leaned into the process a little bit. He was like, wow, this is, you know, kind of nuts. I never would have put myself in a house like this or, you know, 500,000 that loan. Like, that's pretty hefty for me. Like, I got to think about it. I got to do some numbers,

this, that. But he's open to the idea and the experience where I thought it was going to be a firm, like, look, this is too much. I can't do this. Yeah. I thought it was going to be like that too. It wasn't. And look, I think there's still more to see when it comes to these two. I think that the logical thing, though, is if the house is 1.5 million and you want to go in on another house with Jordan realistically, you buy a house for 1.5, you put down like 1.2 or 3, and you take out a smaller loan than a $5, like a half a million dollar loan is a lot. Yeah. You know, he's only responsible for 250 of it. but, you know, that's just the start and you have to get furniture because he was like, how much is it going to, how much is it going to be to furnish this place?

Six figures, buddy. I would take it as is right now. And it's like, yeah, that's going to cost you another six figure. Like, whatever. He doesn't know what he's doing. No matter what you do, it's going to be a six figure furnishing for that home. You can keep all the stuff in there, but you buy it. He's like, we're not going to get stuff in my Kia, right?

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Now let's get into the nightmare that is Anton Adelae. These two should not be together. Nope. They are they, it's not a situation where, you know, you just live different lifestyles and, you know, different financial situations, i.e. Jordan and Megan, this is just flat out. You guys don't vibe. What Anton likes to do is not what Ali likes to do. What Ali wants out of Anton, Anton, Anton doesn't want to provide to a partner. And I think neither of them are wrong, but neither of them are right either. Like when they're making brunch, And, you know, he's like, let's have mimosas. I'm an alcoholic. And even I was like, don't you guys got to go back to work tonight? Like, I don't know what the deal is with that.

I know they sleep during the day. Yeah, they do the night shift thing and they work. She's a nurse. I don't, I still don't know. Is he an Uber driver? Dude, I don't think he's brought it up. I'm sure he had a name card, but like I didn't care to actually look at it in the beginning. They both work night shift.

And it seems like every night when he gets home or rather every morning when, when he gets home he has one or two beers and then he goes to sleep and it's like okay but like when allie's talking about it like would you have a problem with it if he worked day shift and he got home yeah that's five o'clock and i had one or two beers and ate dinner and then like watched some tv and went to bed like would that be a big deal is it just the morning because the morning thing yeah i did have a visceral reaction to it because i i can't imagine being in somebody's shoes that has to work night shift and coming home and being like uh yeah i just want like a beer or two it's like oh it's night in the morning it's kind of tough yeah but i think

also it's like they're nighttime so it's not weird yeah so it gets they get used to it i guess it is a bizarre situation but the way that she's talking about it and obviously this all comes after they meet with his friends and girlfriends which we have to talk extensively about it just seems like they're two very very different people for people that seem to agree on having mimosas in the morning after they work i'm very confused by the situation the booze aspect for sure the financial aspect it's like okay you you want a rich guy that's going to take care of you and wine and dine you and all those things yeah that's not what he is and the comments that you make that are like you're trying to brush off as like cute and fun it's like it's not you know

they're talking about money in one situation he's like oh so i guess instead of 60 hours we got to work 80 and she's like yeah good answer it's like oh no no no what do you mean Like that's not like, yeah, she was being dead serious. It's like, that seems miserable. And then you're going back to school full time. And you're like, when I lived with my parents, I didn't have to do anything. Cool. He's a grown up man.

You're a grown up woman. He's not your caretaker. You're going to, so you're implying like, I'm going to leave the house of fucking mess. It's up to you to clean up after me. It's up to you to pay for things. And he does. He's like, yeah, I can take care of you. Like, you know, I need you to work once or twice a week.

Great. and this and that and this and that he's like well well then we're going to have to budget a lot and he starts having a panic attack internally yeah like it's like how much you spend on Botox she's like well why don't we do uh we'll do one joint account and we can each have a separate account and he's not all work with that but it's like her reasoning is because I don't want you to know how much I'm spending on Botox that's definitely the wrong approach he's got the right approach on that I think there's somewhere in the middle where you can meet but every time that she talks about money it seems like they're so far apart on everything. And it seems like it's weird to spiral from there. Like I agree with the, you know, you have a joint account, then you each have an account. You can use like as long as the bills are taken care of.

You do with your money and she does with her money. Like just don't, nothing fucking ridiculous, like no extravagant purchases without checking in with your significant other. I think that's fine. But I, I just, they are so polar opposite and not.

gotten like a cute, oh, opposites attract way. You know, you guys just don't gel kind of way. And nothing is more apparent than when they hang out with, first of all, his fucking friend is a disaster. Like, I understand why Allie's like, ooh, but watching them go to the bathroom, first of all, you're starting to see the booze thing be a problem at the mimosis, right? But you see an inkling there. The minute they get there, it's like, why is there no tequila shots?

It's like, because Joe, we're just hanging out introducing people. But all right, let's rip some fucking. and repo as you call it sick bro and they go to the bathroom the ladies go to take a pee or just you know powder their nose whatever and they're chatting joe's girlfriend what a snitch that was crazy well i know he loves a strip club i was like whoa that was the other thing is this girl which this is just a severe oversight by anton why you would have this friend come me and Allie and not like anybody else, literally anybody else. And maybe you don't have your family there or whatever it is.

I don't care. This guy is the guy that you choose to come meet your fiance. Unless you want this to actively fall apart and you're hoping that your friend does it for you, I don't know why the fuck you would invite this guy. He has a girlfriend that he's been dating for four months. He moved in with her after the first date and they think it's a fun, cute story. Yeah, he literally just, we went on a friend, we went on our first date and he just didn't leave. okay because he probably lived with his mom and dad in the basement and was like sweet i'm going to

kick it here now yeah and all i'm getting from this is it seems like anton's telling alley well you got to look out for him he's a bit of a bad influence he's a bit of trouble again why are you having her meet him right away that's kind of bizarre it seems like joe is telling his girlfriend by the way anton's a bit of a bad influence on me he's a party animal he wants to go to the strip club all the time. They're both blaming each other for their own issues. And I bet that they're probably just when they're single, they are an absolute menace to the area of Denver and they just bop around and get really drunk and do dumb shit. That's probably what happens. And neither of them are mad enough to be like, hey, I'm actually part of the problem, but that was when I was

single and now I'm not going to do any of those things now. Like that's really what you should probably be approaching it as. Instead, they're just passing the buck and they're like, oh, no, it's this guy. the other guy's not even on love his blinds, but he's doing a love his blind speed run, so it's kind of funny. It is. The similarities between the two of them are wild, and then,

you know, one of my least favorite things in the world is like, they get back to the table and Ali's like, you're in trouble. He's like, what's going on? He's like, I can't tell you. Talk to you later.

It's like, ah, they hate that. But you're right. There just needs to be a conversation of, and we didn't even get to see the conversation after dinner, by the way, which is annoying. And, Anton needs to just say, like, yeah, that was my life before.

And that's the other thing on Allie's end. It's like, yes, he had a whole life before you. And sure, I understand if you don't want to vibe with somebody that frequent strip clubs, that makes sense to me. Yeah. But if he's not going to do that, then you can't get mad at him for having a life before. It's like when someone's like, yeah, gets pissed off because you hooked up with somebody when, you know, 15 years ago. And they're like, what? It's like, whoa, I didn't know you.

What the fuck? we're doing here. So I get it if it's continued behavior. By all means, yeah, you don't vibe. But that's not the reason you guys don't vibe. You don't vibe on every single subtle level. Like you just don't make sense. And you can chalk this up to I met him behind a wall. I didn't know. Fine. But fucking run. Both of you. You don't fit. Anton, you want to drink with your boys. You want a party. You want to do this and that. That's okay. You don't seem like an. alcoholic you just seem like you like to get after it a little bit yeah you work the night shift you do your thing fine dude you've mentioned booze to her five times and she's curled her nose up at it

every single time you try to force it too it's like that's our thing something in champagne and she rolls her eyes i why you're trying to force the alcohol into it it's not working alley why you're trying to force this man to take care of you like wait on you hand and foot stop he he visibly groans every time it is so funny though and watching that after this and when she finds out the information from his girlfriends go immediately you're in trouble we're going to talk about it later why would you bring that up in front of them they now know what's going on and time probably has a pretty good idea of what's going on because they've been commenting about the fact that you guys were downstairs talking for a while why not just bring it up

now that's at least fun that's at least good entertaining tv and i'm not going to hold that against you because you're not a reality tv bed or anything but seriously are you really going to bring it up and be like, we'll talk about it later. Now you're going to make the whole dinner uncomfortable. Everybody's uncomfortable. Then we're going to get home. And by far the worst thing that could have happened, we don't even get to see the discussion.

What the fuck? We just move on and the next time we see them is at the hodown. What the hell? We don't get to see that breakdown. That was absolute crucial information. And then she held it against him. And then they probably talked it out and we didn't get to see it. Come on.

What are we doing here? And then at the hodown. he's like you know I've just been kind of not telling people like full extent just saying like we're good like what about you she's like I've been telling them the truth it's like okay you're you're painting this guy

as some like monster probably that like lives in a strip club we don't know because we didn't see the conversation so we can't really comment on it but at the end of the day it just seems to me like this is oil and water and you guys are forcing this shit

and you guys are done I think they need to be done but let's get to my least favorite couple on earth Nick and we save them for last yeah because I need to build up the strength to talk through all of their bullshit so obviously it was foreshadowing and I wrote that down in my notes before we got

to the moment where it breaks down but she's like yeah we haven't fought there is no conflict blah blah blah blah it's like okay well that's leading the conflict for sure and we get to see why annie's single when she's laying with dick in bed and trying to talk to him about everything going on and no i don't believe a word that comes out of nick's mouth because he's a manipulative calculated piece of shit but at the same time what he's saying's not crazy this is a crazy roller coaster we're on we're about to go back to the real world i'm loving where we're at and i love you too i hope we get there but i'm just going to

Keep my head down. Keep working. Keep trucking. Things are good, aren't they? How dare you? How dare you? Meanwhile, as you're saying all this crazy shit from a pretty pragmatic approach to this whole crazy experience, she's nuzzling up into them. I'm like, I mean, you guys are absolutely perfect for one another. Yeah. Like, absolutely perfect. But at the same time, this is crazy. I'm getting Audita just watching. this one weirdly enough i started in my own head chalking it up to the experiment i just figured this is what's going on and they're just both maybe not nick as much because nick is so good at manipulating and just saying the right thing at all times even though nobody believes them and we find that out later at the hodown when everyone's like yeah nobody really likes nick especially joe but nobody really likes nick because they all think he's full of shit and they all think

that he's just manipulating and he's gaslighting and he's just doing all of the things that you don't want to see in a guy. So that is probably what he's doing here, and he's very good at it. So this isn't really affecting him. For Annie, I mean, yes, I thought that behavior was in there. I figured she was going to have some sort of break at some point where it's like, okay, this is probably how you're really actually acting in the real world, maybe a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

But overall, this is probably who you are. I do think that some of that was just a break because it made no sense. She came out of left field for what I thought begrudgingly, was the strongest couple on the show. She came out of left field when he was saying something nice and just had an absolute meltdown. I'm still going to kind of chalk it up to it's a whirlwind of an experience. It was kind of fun to watch because I don't like either of them.

But I do think that that was probably a big piece of it. Like, holy shit, what the fuck are we actually doing with this? I don't know. I really don't know. I think that's giving her too much credit. I think that's who she is. It might be. You know, I think that's a big part of who she is.

where she wants to be attached to the hip at all times. She wants to hear all the time how much he loves her, how she's the only thing in the world that she wants. Like that, you take that compared to the Brendan thing. That's what she wanted out of him. You know, and he, again, the way that Jordan tries to set him straight at the O'Don. I'm like, I'm telling you, dude, I've seen these two. And he's trying to be nice.

He's like, they're both really quirky. like, I don't think you would have vibed. I think you dodged a bullet is what he's trying to say to him. Yeah. But you go back to, and it pisses me off when Annie talks about branding. She's like, you know, he just wants to tiptoe around and she shits on him. I'm like, no, you're just nuts. And like, if we go back to what he said to you.

He didn't open up. That was all it was. Yeah, but you're, she keeps holding this weird thing against him. I mean, I guess it's irrelevant. But watching these two, then we go to Nick's cabin or house in the mountains. And, you know, he's a size queen. Ha, ha, ha, ha. But you texted me that today, thanks.

Yeah. But do they make sense? Yeah. Are they probably going to end up together? Yeah. Unless the Casey thing throws a damper into it, which in any normal situation, Kate, sorry, Kate. In any normal situation, right, that would be grounds for a breakup, I think.

because Casey, Kate, fuck, the way she's talking to Nick, like first of all, she's not buying anything he's selling, which I love. You know, and she's given him the run through of like,

I think it's pretty fucking ridiculous that you said, you love me, you can never get to that place with her, find out you're engaged to 48 hours. I just said that. I never said that. He did, bitch.

It's on camera. We saw it. That was part of our issue with you. I want her to blow up his spot so bad. I think she might. Maybe we'll get. scenes later on in this show. Yeah, but Annie's not going to listen to it.

That's what I'm getting. The vibe that I'm getting is Annie knew immediately when Kate walked in up, that was Nick's other connection. I wonder what's going to come of this. You could tell her until you're blue in the face that he told Kate that he loved her. She might believe it and she might be like, well, you know what? She probably coerced him to do it or she probably forced him to do it because honestly, that's probably what Annie would do when it comes to Brendan.

She was about to get to that point until they broke up, but she didn't get that far. she's not going to believe it she's delusional she's going to be all over nick she's going to try to mark her territory or something as if kate's actually coming back to try to get nick now that kate knows who nick is and everybody else seems to know who nick is nothing's going to happen there she's just going to immediately turn a blind eye nope nick wouldn't do that i know what he means he's got his true intentions and then she'll have a breakdown about something else later but it's just not going to get through to her there's no way no and it's i don't know at the end of the day they're perfect for each other. Yeah, they really are. shitty people like falling in love. It gets two people out of the dating pool in Denver that you don't have to worry about anymore. No, because then they procreate and make more shitty people. Oh, that's true. Yeah.

You know, it's like a double-edged sword. You take them out of the dating pool, but then they make their own. And I just, I, like, watching their scenes, I hate them. I really do. I think they're both toxic, manipulative, gross people that just prey on each other. Like, actively

they're both, they're both doing the same shit to each other in different respects like for sure he's loved bomby and then he pulls away he's almost like borderline personality she is so overly clingy and wants all these things from him and if he doesn't do it or if she doesn't get her away she throws a fit like it's just gross and i don't like them i don't like it and i'm very happy for them to get off the screens and that's another one that i will probably be loosely tied to after the season ends i need to know where they end up but then like you know and it's always the moms go ahead no i also don't want to know what happens with them i kind of want to be done with them no i need to know if they make it i think they

will i'll check in and let you know but like it's always the moms of people like nick they're like he's just such a great kid he's so deep in this and that i'm like i hope you watch this show it wouldn't matter because you would watch it and be like see look how deep he is you wouldn't see that he's just a manipulative slime ball. No chance. He's literally saying the same thing. He just has so much love to give around. And that's how I raised him.

Bingo. That's why he said that he loved Kate because he felt like he loved Kate in that moment. But he really didn't. He really loved Annie, his wife. What about when he's talking about rubbing one out? Yeah, dude. What the fuck?

Like, what about then? What Christian value is that jerking off? I don't think that's in the Bible. Nope. Nope. Oh, I can't, bro. We should start. with them because it ends on a on a bad note because I get frustrated that I have to watch

I mean we can we can touch on two things that happened at the hodown one Patrick and Anna finally got together and had a real in-face conversation that was bizarre that was tough I don't really understand Patrick who has been through a lot ended up feeling even worse because Anna made him feel worse for but she's not wrong but she's not right either she's not She is, but she's not. She's both. I think she's wrong because of the scheme of the show, how this works. Patrick had a situation where he was going to propose to Anna, and then she fucking left.

She left him there high and dry. Instead of cowering and crying and going home like Blake did, he decided to pull himself up from his bootstraps and see if there was another connection out there. He's got another connection with Casey. Maybe this will allow me to get a little deeper with her. It bit him in the ass. So who the hell cares? I feel like it's pouring salt on the wounds because Anna knew what happened with Casey.

So it's like, what's the point in even doing this and making him feel bad when you're the one who left and then he got burned anyway? I agree. Have a good conversation to be friends. Like, I don't think romantically you can get involved, but be friends, you know what I mean? I agree with you, but like I also get what she's saying.

And like, I see what you're saying. Like you don't have to have this conversation, but like, but that's the thing. She's been back in the real world. he has been lesser back of the real world and he's still reeling from this whole thing

yeah so yeah it's pouring salt in the wound and maybe not necessary but at the same time like yeah it makes sense because he did just propose

to somebody also it's hard to pour yourself into that but at the same time like what he was doing was following the guidelines of the show that you two were on but you bounced on him and I also respected him

for being able to bounce back and find something else and there was the connection didn't make much sense to begin with, but I do think of the sex talk probably just like drove him into a corner. Well, all right. Yeah, it's a consolation prize. And it's the show.

Of course, he's, he'd rather propose to somebody and see what's there and then potentially break up with her at the end than do what you did and go home. So I look, I'm just saying I get both sides. I just get both sides. I do see where she's coming from, albeit it was slightly mean if you have no intention of dating this man. But at the same time, he's the one that pulled her for a chat. so it's just it's something that could only happen in this universe and suck to watch glad I saw

it glad I saw it really glad I saw it another thing I'm really glad I saw is Joe getting hammered again and talking shit on Nick so not my fucking guy look I just he's just not you know I don't know how do I put this in he's just not my guy you know he's just he's not anybody's guy actually to be fair i don't know if anybody likes them maybe i should stop talking about joe or maybe i should stop talking about nick i don't know you guys are going to get me into he has done this interview like seven times with his confessionals yeah he's drunk as shit and he starts talking and he goes you guys are going to get me in trouble i can't do this anymore and joe you're getting yourself in trouble and like seeing him he isn't and now there's a bit of a social media rift

going on right now where uh nick is now firing back at joe saying you know that was kind of of mean you didn't have to do any of those things and joe's just like yeah whatever i don't really care he's not wrong about nick to be honest so i don't he's 100% correct and i think it's hilarious get him drunk and get more confessionals out of joe not to mention nick this is a product of you dude like no one has to talk shit about you for us to hate you you did that on your own accord because you are such an unlikable manipulative snake like that's what we've seen so all that joe is doing is voicing the audience's concerns about you and how we feel about you

because we've watched you and watching him talk to, I think he was talking to Jordan and he was like, you know, yeah, I bet that Brandon could probably give it to her better than him.

Like he's just missionary all the time or he lays her down and just goes skiing. Like, and that's when he goes into his whole thing where he's like, you know, he's a great guy. Some might say,

I don't fuck with him. He's not my guy. He's somebody's guy. Actually, no one really likes Nick. Yeah, I was going to stop talking. And yeah, fuck Nick, though.

It was great. It was. But yeah, I mean, again, Nick, he's not saying anything we don't know already. You're a piece of shit, pal. Like, no. Sorry, not sorry. Be better human and we won't talk shit about you. Yeah.

So we'll have to see how this whole thing ties up. I think we get to do that tomorrow night or tonight, or tonight, if you're listening today, you get some memory episodes out of love is blind. But we're not going to guess on that. but we are going to answer your questions. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, brother.

From E.M. Lewis, jail time for the chicken smoothie. Absolutely. Straight to jail. Let's see. B-Man, Graham, 0727, do you think Nick's excuse to Kate was valid because I don't know? It was not. He was just trying to manipulate her. Yeah, that wasn't valid at all.

He's worried that that's going to get back to any and that he's going to be in a world of hurt. So he's trying to do damage control, the only way that he knows, which is, manipulation yeah exactly he's trying to get ahead of this whole situation very clumsily i might add and he's playing the nice guy routine as he always does like i'm just so sorry that no you're not you're sorry that it's blowing up in your face currently yeah this is actually kind of funny from step ray powers has madison never been around the hungover person she was giving me anxiety uh maybe not she was doing that uh like i don't understand why you feel this way and it's like he's hung over his balls right now and he was also drunk as shit last night when you woke

up but he did say some weird things and pretty bad things so i get why you feel that way but yeah no that gave me anxiety too like yeah it was like an hour or two get some water get some food in them and then try to talk about it dm jazz well this is funny i noticed this too jordan enjoying his fries when megan was having an emotional combo with her mom and sister i saw that too i was like he's just snacking on fries right now while we're having this big like sad moment Yeah. Yeah, that was great. Let's see.

A lot of chicken smoothie stuff. Sean Adraper 27, will you go back and watch any of the other seasons of LIB? The UK season was great. We will just watch them moving forward, to be honest. We have too much stuff to go back. We don't have the time, unfortunately. It's not from lack of wanting to. I can't fit that in.

But Love is Blind Philly is going to be fucking electric. And we'll end it on this one. That, too, from Jamie Gibbs. His Nick's house too masculine was the funniest fucking question ever. Well done. Yeah, it's a bit of a beard. Yeah, that's the vibe I'm getting from Jamie Gibbs again. This group is offensive to the Denver dating scene, which says a lot about it.

Well, the way to stick up for Denver. I'm glad that they're not all like this. That's like the third comment. I think we've gotten that like this is not indicative of Denver. So that's what we thought. Glad to hear it's not because wolf. Wolf indeed But anyway

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