Bros & Shows - Chris Bassett Interview: Post RHOP Reunion

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

What's up Bro's? This week we are joined by the one and only Chris Bassett. With part 2 of the RHOP reunion coming to a close last night, we wanted to sit down with Chris and hear his side of the story. We catch up with him and how life is after the reunion and season came to a close. Then he goes in depth about how he feels about Gizelle. How the situation and accusations affected him and Candiace's marriage as well as the professional ramifications. Then with the news about Robyn knowing about Juan's infidelity, we get to listen to Chris' take on how it felt to find that out. All in all, we shot the shit for over 3 hours and we had a blast. Listen to just a few BravBro's as we get the full story from Chris once and for all! Full Interview available in video form on YouTube! Go watch it there and subscribe to our page! This episode is brought to you by ZocDoc: Go to zocdoc.com/BROS and download the ZocDoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top rated doctor today. Many available within 24 hours. ---Zocdoc.com/BROS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that'll make it a I don't need the spotlight I shine just fine hi I'm karma and yes I am a bitch bro bros what's up bros we are here with our good friend Chris Bassett he made the drive from Potomac up to see us he's actually at my house in my living room. So Chris, what's up, man? How was the drive? Drive was good. I mean, it's, it's a short little, uh, jaunt. Yep. You know, you're in Philly. You say, John for anything, right? Sure, John, you know, we're here. That's good. It was good. Nice. Glad to have you here. Happy to be here. Your post reunion. So post reunion. Is that relieving? It is. I mean, this, this season, obviously, like, obviously I went through a

a lot this season, never expected me to be the center of attention for a majority of the season. Obviously not the whole season, but you know what's really weird is as the husband's on the show, like we expect

to get some shit, right? I mean, somebody's always in the mix for whatever, but when it's untrue, it's hurtful, it's damaging, and we don't have the platform that these women do, right? Nobody's booking Chris to go on

whatever podcast or interview Bravo and NBC Universal they have PR they're promoting their show they're promoting the women because it's it's housewives right it's housewives and that's cool

and you get a lot of you it's housewives it's not house husbands that's cool I get I totally get it and I said this at the reunion Ray said it at the reunion Eddie said at the reunion we're here to support our wives If you don't want to hear from us, don't talk about us, right?

And so for me to be able to go to the reunion, and Andy literally gave me the floor. He was like, you know, when the husband's come out, he was like, Chris, I'm going to give you the floor. Do you want to talk or do you want me to ask questions or what do you want to do? And I was like, just start with a question and we'll go from there. Yeah, because you know it's going to snowball into something else. Of course. I mean, that's how this works, right? But he literally asked me one question, and then it just all started coming out.

And I got to express how I felt. And I told Andy, I told the people from truly, everybody who was there, was like, listen, I don't care how this gets chopped up and show, oh, no, no, we're going to show it all. And I believe that they will. As they have done all season, and I am grateful for that. But I was like, it doesn't matter which part. because I probably spoke for seven to ten minutes, just getting everything out.

And it progressively, the emotion was coming with it. Because, I mean, that's a lot to go through. But I was like, I don't care what you show. I feel good. The people that needed to hear what I had to say, and they could hear it, see it, and feel it in that moment. So I got it all out, and I feel good about it. So it was good.

It was a good experience. And no matter what they show, I'm happy at the end of it. Yeah, say your peace. Yeah. And take it or leave it, it is what it is. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, we kind of saw it coming in. We talked to you back in December.

You were on our holiday party. And one of the questions that we had was, how does the editing really come into play? And at that point in time, we hadn't seen the editing come in to kind of protect you like it did a little bit later in the season. But we did see early in the season. They made it look like you and your wife were arguing and. front of this doctor and you're like no the fucking doctor was in a different room like no and we're looking

back on that I mean Steele and I have the luxury of talking to our wives my fiance and they notice things that we go into it. Oh my God and so it's so funny because like I like to watch with this and not to get way off track immediately I like to watch the subtitles on because I like a lot of times you'll hear somebody talking

over somebody else to like what did she say but you see that my fiance gets so mad because she's like I want to see their makeup you got the subtitles and it's popping up over this girl's eyelashes and I really like them and I'm like I need to know what the hell's going on I need to know what they're saying we're doing a podcast here I need all the details I'm watching game film this is Monday morning quarterback I like we watch the shit Monday Tuesday and it's really funny but she noticed something and she kind of spun it and she's like did you notice the way like later

yeah they saved Chris but in the beginning they made it look like him and candace were like arguing about this and that and whatever and then it rolls right into Karen's spring party and then all that shit starts popping off. And then the Giselle shit starts popping off. And it's like, they spun it to make it look bad, but then they protected you. Thank God, because they really don't protect people. And I'm just very thankful that they had that where they're like, Chris isn't looking.

Chris isn't looking. Like, here's Cookie Monster over here. Chris isn't, which by the way, your wife, I mean, her clapbacks and just her fucking insults are so funny. Where does that even? How do you? What? And you don't even know where they're coming from. That's great. But when that happens, like, because we love her clapbacks.

Like, she's unmatched in the entire Housewives realm for, like, coming back at people. When she hears some of the clapbacks, like, watching it back, is she like, oh, that was a little too mean? Because some of them are like, we love it. We want her to be meaner. But, like, I don't know if I was the one to say that to be like, yeah. Yeah, so, you know, this, after season five, like, I kind of cut back on, watching the shows as they play back, right? I mean, I lived it.

I already know what it is. But obviously, we need to know because we don't know what other people film and what they say. We don't know what they say in their confessionals. And when you go to the reunion, you need to have all the ammunition that you can get, right? And so she forces me to watch some of it. But, yeah, there's times she's like, I don't even know where that came from. Like, I've just, you know, like, I've had the opportunity and the pleasure of doing a few confessions. and there's alcohol there, right?

They want you to be loose. That's how they get good stuff. I always wondered if they're actually drinking or if those are mocktails. I mean, I can only speak for myself and Candice. We drink. We enjoy it and we have a good time. For me, I've said this several times. I don't like the cameras.

This was never my world. I'm a restaurant guy. Let me just do my thing over here. It's difficult for me to just. create conversation out of nothing, right? Because that's what the show is. It's, we're filming conversations. And I, the very first scene we ever filmed,

um, it was supposed to be like, I'm getting home from work, which is true. A lot of people think it's scripted. We have zero scripts. I have never been handed a script or been told what to say.

So I want to put that out there. I know there's conspiracy. Have it scripted? Now, people may get together and, hey, we're going to do this and whatever. That's on them. I can say with 100% certainty that Candace and I, everything you get from us is real, live, and in person.

But we were filming what it is when I get home from work. And they're like, okay, well, Candice is going to be here, blah, blah, blah, you come in. Well, I don't come in the front door. I come in through the ground. Well, we've got our video village set up down there, whatever. You've got to come in this way. I'm okay, fine. So I come in and we start this scene.

It's just like it's not real. It's not comfortable. And it's very dull. And it's not working. And 20 minutes into it, the producer comes up. I was like, guys, I know this is your first scene, but this is not what we saw in interview tapes. This is, it's stale.

It doesn't feel. I was like, well, because this is not how it would be. Yeah. I would do this, and she would be here. And this would be, it was like, then do that. I was like, okay, hold on. Three quick shots. They were like, bang, bang, bang.

Go outside, come back in, and we run it again. And I pour a drink when I get it. home, she's in the spot where she would normally be. We went for three hours uninterrupted. Nice. Wow. Filling me because now I'm loose. I don't care about the cameras anymore. I've had a drink.

I'm like, and that's where that whole like season we're on season seven, right? Yeah. So the whole season six, Chris is an alcoholic, he drinks a lot. That's been since season three, our first season. I need to drink just to

get ready for the camera because, yeah. I don't talk a lot. Listen, I stopped and met cousin Hank, and I had two drinks with him. I went to my friend's house, and I had a drink. And now I'm good, so I can talk to you guys and be free, and we can have some fun, because otherwise I might be really stiff and, like, hi, I don't know what's happening. Like, that's just my personality.

I'm very reserved, and I like to have a good time. And that's kind of how we got into this mess this season, because I'm the guy who just wants to have a good time. I mean, you know, hospitality. It's make sure everybody's enjoying themselves. That's all I try to do. And now it's been turned against me, and the season sucked from that aspect.

Yeah. Yeah. We would, because obviously we've been talking back and forth pretty much the majority of the season. But I would legit, there'd be days where I would like check you out. I'd be, yo, dude, how you doing? Yeah.

And that is appreciated. I tell you what, that really means a lot. It goes a long way. I mean, I don't know if other Bravo liberties or whatever feel that, but I've been honest, I'm an emotional person, I'm a Pisces, I'm a water sign, I'm very fluid. But no, I mean, like, it's really, it's, I don't know, it's, it's an experience that I don't know how to really explain because, like, we live it during filming. Sure.

Then it airs and everybody else is watching it. So they have their comments and their thoughts on everything. and now you've got to relive it. And now I feel like sometimes do I have to defend myself? And then they're like, oh my God, why are you dragging this out? Why is a husband in women's business?

No, it's not women's business. This is my life. It's my life. And that, when I see that, when I see, call me Christina, call me, you know, Patricia as they do with Peter. Whatever, I get it. It's a show about women.

Totally. But again, if you don't want to hear about me, don't talk about me. Let me just be like, hey, I'm here to make you some food. Would you like dinner? Yeah. Because I'm totally cool with that.

Yeah. It is pretty brutal. And it's weird that people get so up in arms about with your show specifically, the husband's getting involved in shit because there's so many other shows out there. Like, Jersey, they have full episodes with all the husbands out on a fucking boat for six hours, drinking and like playing with fake plastic dicks. But then you pop in and you're just like talking to somebody at the bar and they're like, I hate this storyline, like get out of here.

But you're okay with Jersey. you're okay with, you know, Maricio and P.K. out in Beverly Hills, like, having a bromance. That's cool. But we never really get, like, you're the only one who did a confessional this year, by the way. We never... Yeah, we never got Eddie. We don't get... I mean, I can't imagine Ray and G. I would love a Ray confessional. A Ray confessional would be great. I don't know. I just, like, Ray's his own guy, I feel like he probably just doesn't want to get into it. And you're just like, fuck it. Like, I don't care. I'm here with my wife. I'm just going to hang out.

Have a couple of drinks, and we'll just talk about what's going on here. I mean, that's who we are. We just... We just, I don't know, it's great because like my previous two relationships, I've never felt so comfortable in a relationship. And a lot of it was self-reflection after my divorce, but you know, you got to realize like, oh, maybe it's not just the woman. You know, there's some things that I have to fix too. And when you can, in retrospect, right, self-analyze and get to a point. And, I mean, we understand each other. And we don't always get along.

I mean, find me a marriage where everything is 100% perfect all the time. And I'll tell you, they don't love each other. Yeah. It's not real. And we just like to have a good time. But we're both emotional people, and we have our very strong in our beliefs. And if we butt heads, we butt heads. But we know, and, you know, whatever time.

Me, it's usually much quicker than her, but we're going to be okay because we talk about everything. Everything. And even, so she knew that I was in Giselle's dressing room. She knew that I had DM'd replied to a story on social media about Ashley. It's a very important distinction, by the way. It is. Yeah. Like, DMing is personal message out of your way. Replying to a story is just like, oh, shit, like, you're here.

Like, you should have let me know. Boom. Done over with it. And you think you're friends, too. Like, Candace has known Ashley for how many years, you know Ashley. You think that you're safe, just being like, oh, yeah, you were at this bar. Like, you should have let me know. Like, you could have popped in.

I would have set you up at the table. Whatever the fuck you were going to do. And it just spins, absolutely. Yeah, we really, really do. So a lot of people are very like, Ashley isn't friends with Candice. Why would you do that? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Flashback Season 6, Chesapeake.

After the dinner incident, right, where Ashley and I are having a conversation, Candice kind of butts into the conversation and I kind of get upset with Candice and then I leave that night we go back to the house everybody else has gone to bed it's Candice Ashley Karen and myself

sitting there drinking hanging out no cameras just us real talk and Ashley she says something to me that kind of resonates in the sense that like it's like Chris it's a show

you know while you know we're being real and everything like some stuff obviously it's exaggerated in the moment or whatever but just let it go let candis be her own person and i took that to heart and i was like you know what i'm seeing ashley as a real person in this moment i'm hearing what you're saying got it and so i let start to let things go then we get to the reunion after the reunion ashley uh i think she might have one or two friends there. Candice, myself, Candice's entire glam team, Wendy Eddie, and Wendy's entire glam team. We all go out to a bar. We're getting drunk. We're hanging out, having a good

time. Shut the bar down. Move on. That's the end of the season. Candice and Ashley go to New York Fashion Week. They're a Telfar party. They hang out. Have a great time. So I'm thinking everything is like friendly and we're moving past all of this. And then we get to season six. there are seven rather season seven at the spring fling and every single housewife karen jazelle robin charisse wendy mea all come up to me at that party and they all say oh i hear you got a new job or congratulations oh you're at this place everybody knew that i was at that hotel there was a conversation i don't know they're going to show it at the reunion because I mentioned it at the reunion, but

I know for a fact it was Robin, Charisse, and Giselle. I thought Ashley was there. She says that she wasn't. That could be true. Again, I don't remember, but they were all saying, oh, yeah, we used to go up there and party all the time, blah, blah, blah.

And I said, come by anytime. Like, I'm there, whatever. And so, yeah, I'm off of work. I'm at home, waiting for Candace to link because it was Grammy weekend again. And I'm waiting for her to land in Vegas. And that's when I see it. And I respond.

And she was like, oh, I didn't know that you worked there and blah, blah. I'm like, and so we're at the reunion. I'm like, so was it the text message? Because that was past tense. Like I didn't say, come now. Yeah. This was past tense. Or was it the time?

She's like, well, it was the time. I was like, oh, that's funny. Because on November 11th, I did the same thing where I commented on one of your stories where you're dancing with your corona and your baby. And you responded at three in the morning. Yeah. so it's selective and she was like well well it was the context oh it was the context you thought i wanted to sleep with you at a hotel that you work at that's the thing that we were talking about on the podcast right why the fuck would he invite you to his place of business to conduct himself

like that like it doesn't make any fucking sense i wanted to get fired so i could have a storyline yeah exactly you wanted to take over the housewives of a telmick man like it's and it's just it's so hard because Candice and I like are genuine people like we want like if you're cool we're cool and Ashley has these moments where off camera

her and Candace like they could legit be really really good friends they have so much in common like you see glimpses of it on the show you do and then it's you know everyone wants to say it's Candace's mouth and yeah she has a mouth and I called her out the reunion too but there are certain things that people do

that it's like oh you wrote a statement here oh well you did this here oh well now I had you over in my house but now you're saying that my husband is trying to sleep with you it's like why do you continue to do that and it's frustrating and we get pissed off at Ashley all the time

just because she we think that she plays it up for the cameras she tries to push the storyline tries to make shit up so that it looks a lot cooler so this all checks out like off cameras it sounds like she is cool and fun and great. Amazing off camera. Yeah.

And then on camera, it's like, oh, I've got a role to play here. I've got, this just happens. This is, this timing is coincidental. This works for me in a storyline. Let me just play this up and see all goes. You see her face. Like, come on. Like, she literally lights up when she's got some shit to talk.

And it's like, you watch it just play out. Smiling in the moment. Exactly. She just has this like shit-eaten grin on her face. And then she goes from one group of ladies that just said, do not share this information. Don't tell anybody. and she's like, and she walks right over,

and she's like, I can't say anything, guys, it's about you, I can't talk about it. And they're like, well. But if you guess really well, then I'll tell you. Yeah, and then they don't guess ever. And then she's like, well, actually, it's this. And it's like, what the fuck? Yeah, I mean, and look, to an extent,

I get it, and nobody wants to watch a show where everyone is happy and getting along all the time, right? That's not fun. That's like, sweet, you have great friendships, awesome. but have some discretion like be smart be smarter like you know what you're doing but like there are ways to go about it and some of them just yeah these aren't it you're failing miserably and and it's it's frustrating when so i don't know if i can say it or not but i'm say it anyway um about two maybe three weeks into filming the ladies though they all had a call

where production was like guys we need more personal story is not there like we're having a we need more and that's when you started to get the oh chris was inviting me to a hotel well there's a twitter thread going on right now where it shows four of them and i think it's Ashley, Giselle, Robin, and Karen, and they're saying maybe Karen doesn't have anything to do with it, but the three of them were definitely thinking of something, and there was a source coming out of there saying, this is what

we're going to do this year, this is the storyline we're going to go after. Giselle comes in and she goes, well, you know, I had that hotel room situation with Chris. Ashley goes, I got a DM from Chris a couple of weeks ago. There's something here. Let's just we'll see what happens. And it's like, that's so fucked up because it's like, for you

as like a husband in this role, you're now learning, you're like, shit. Like everything I say Somebody's gonna use it against me I just need to like shut my mouth Or just like not say anything But then you're like what the fuck Like I'm not being myself

So then it sucks and you're just stuck Because I do want to be authentic And genuine and my real self Now I will say And this is This is my fucking problem right here Because I'm too goddamn nice Because I'm gonna defend the ladies right now

In the sense that yes The four of them did meet up and have whatever conversations that they had. Do I think that that was the conversation? I don't. Only because that meetup happened before Karen's spring fling. And the spring fling that night was the night that I DM'd Ashley. Okay.

So you couldn't make that story without that. Yeah, and the timeline's always skewed on this. Now, did they have a conversation after that? I'm sure, listen, we've seen it in different franchises, right, where there's, you know, the group thread, and then there's the secret thread, right? The shadow government, yeah. So do the OGs have a secret,

or is there a thread with Giselle, Robin, and Ashley? I wouldn't put it back. I'm sure there is. Right, I'm sure there is. And that's okay. It's okay to have that. no one's saying that you cannot have that. I'm sure that, and they do.

And did it develop after? That I do 100% believe. Yeah, they had to have been in cahoots at some point. Yeah, absolutely. And I can sit here and I say, look, if I never would have sent that message to Ashley, thinking that we're on friendly terms and it's like, oh, man, we were literally just talking about this six hours ago. if I never send that, does this storyline happen? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, who knows?

Yeah, probably not. But, I mean, so, yeah, sure. I sent the message. I've got to accept some responsibility, right? But, I don't know, it's tough. And even, so we saw the preview for, you know, the finale, and I'm sitting there and it looks like I'm yelling at Candace. I was actually yelling at Ashley.

and I literally said fuck you but the type of person that I am after you see me go back into the hallway and Candace and I are talking once cameras were down I felt bad and I went over to Ashley who was standing at the bar with Robin

and I was like Ashley I'm upset with everything that you said but I'm going to apologize for saying fuck you so I'm sorry for that that's nice out of you I don't know if I would have I don't think I would have but that's that's who I am as a person and that's why it's so hurtful

for me and why I had such a hard time this season because that's just who I am. I just want everybody to get along and have a good time. And like I said, the reunion, Giselle tried to say that I went to her room to complain about Candace and you'll hear, hopefully they show it at the reunion. But what I said was,

you all cannot continue fighting. Nobody wants to watch that shit. It's boring. Like, I get it. You got to have some drama here and there, but there's got to be some sisterhood. There's got to be some fun in this show. Yeah.

So, Giselle, I'm inviting you and Robin over to the house. I'm going to cook, and the three of you are going to sit there and figure your shit out. And how to move forward from this, because I did not like the flip-flop from season five reunion to season six reunion in your stance of physical violence and saying, oh, well, if Mia would hit you, I'd have been okay with that, and your mouth this and your mouth that. But meanwhile, your mouth is doing this. It's a wild ride. It's a roller coaster. And being an emotional person, like, it's tough. Like, I feel everything.

And my end goal for all of this is, I just want everybody to get along and have a good time. Yeah. I mean, that's what's fun, right? That's what we call, like, we talk about it because we've been into Miami. Like, we actually like Miami. It's been a pretty great season. And I think a part of it, they're crazy. But a big part of the enjoy.

I think is like you see them having fun together and then you see the shit like you see them blow up eventually but they give you this reprieve where it's like oh see they are friends on some level they can at least go out and be cordial and like have a good time whatever and then when they blow up you're like all right I want to see them blow up a little bit but when it's constantly just fight and then another fight and then another fight and then clearly the shit they're throwing out there is not real like they're clearly trying to grab a storyline it gets stale really quick I can get stale like in two episodes. There's always the one episode buffer where you're like, ah, it's just an off episode. You get two bad ones in a row. You're like, what the fuck? I'm just going to like scream at each other. Like, keep throwing Chris under the bus. Like, what are we doing? Like, it just doesn't, it never clicks that way. Yeah. It's, it's, I don't, I mean, you know, you know, people like to call Gisela a ghost producer and, and maybe she does. Maybe she doesn't. I'm not into all of that. I don't know. But like, if, if that's your role, if that's who's who you want to be, you've got to realize that there's got to be resolution. Like, everybody

wants resolution. At some point, it doesn't have to be full on resolution like, oh my God, I love you. I'm so sorry. But there's got to be a medium. There's got to be a common ground where you can be like, you know what? I don't necessarily agree, but I understand where you're coming from. And we can move on and things are cool. And so a lot of people are asking, well, all this stuff went down, why is Giselle and why is Ashley at this finale that is Candace's event?

Because in Mexico, they actually we saw the conversation with Ashley and Candice but Candice and Giselle actually got to a better place as well. And so after the episode

where I got upset with Ray in the moment, which didn't actually get brought up at the reunion but whatever it doesn't matter because i like ray and ray's cool and i it was a moment thing not a issue thing um i i told production i was like listen i don't want to film anymore and i stepped away and you didn't see me until like last week right last week's episode i was five six episodes you didn't see me at all um i just didn't want to be involved in it i just didn't like where it was going and then i show up at this event and here it is again But it was just like, why does this continue to happen?

Like, there's, there's just no resolution. Or there is, and they don't show it. That's, like, you just said, like, Candace and Giselle got into a better place. We didn't see that. We didn't get to see them go out at the end of Mexico. Like, when Candace came back and you guys were sitting there and having, she was having a mimosa, you would work later, you guys were talking about it. And she's like, you know what?

Like, that last night? Like, I got pretty fucked up. like next thing I know I was in the shower and you're like well that's pretty fucking impressive it looks like they had a really fun night. Why don't we see that? And we saw like two pictures. I'm like yeah we need to see them have fun because it makes it more

fun for us and then organically we want to see them fight because we're like ah shit we just got to got back to a good place now they're fighting again. Well so Giselle wasn't there for that okay um vagina bumping yeah we heard all about the vagina bumping. Right like she was really

John Giselle was pushing that phrase and I'm like All right, Giselle, please. Yeah. Stop. Man. She was the one that was saying. Yeah. This is the part where I have discretion and all of us hear rumors about everybody.

I'm sure. And I could drop 12 of them right now about Giselle. But I don't know that they're true or not. And quite honestly, I don't give a shit. And so I'm not going to. But Giselle wasn't there for that, right? That was just the four of those ladies. but another thing that people have to remember is that

the camera guys, right, the production crew, they're union, they have hours that they can work and that's that. And imagine, like, especially on these cast trips, they bring in extra film crew so they can film for as long as possible. Yeah. But there's always an end. And after you've been filming and you're on for so long, it's time to let loose. Yeah.

And so a lot of this stuff happens afterwards. And some of the girls, you know, they'll get their cameras out and they'll take pictures. Yeah, we'll see like a phone video, yeah. Right. And you get some of that. But that's the problem. And this is what I think is going to be the detriment of this franchise as a whole. Not Potomac, but Housewives in general.

And I'll be honest, I think it started with season five of Potomac. It just went, there was the fight. right that no one wants to talk about anymore but it set it off and it put potomac on a map and everybody has been trying to one up ever since i feel in all the franchise actually a really good point yeah that's a really good because that was the first time you saw quote unquote contact when monique threw the glass right i mean we've seen glasses being smashed and we've seen right that was the first time it was like physical between two people physical and then when it was broken up it was like i want to find

and I'm going to get in, and it continued afterwards, right? And social media went nuts over it. Yeah. And I think every franchise has tried to find that moment where they can, we want to be on that level. We want to be on that level. We've seen it. We've honestly seen it.

In almost every franchise, there's these moments where they try to make it this big iconic, like, holy shit, and it falls flat. Yeah. And again, this is what I think is the detriment of the show. We've gotten away from just being real. and it's who can create the moment and you're forcing it and you can tell

and it's not real anymore and it's kind of sad like I'll be honest I don't five years I don't see housewives anymore wow that's my honest opinion you heard it here first that's my honest opinion

that we have the camera over there that it's there we gesture yeah look I mean I think that's why we're getting these ultimate girls trips and you know ex-wives club that's going to stick and that's like, you know, with Southern Hospitality that came out

and it's kind of a almost a rebrand of VPR, I guess you could say, like it's similar to Vanderpump and it's set up and everything. We actually really enjoy that one. Yeah, but you can tell that they're... Because it's different than housewise. Yeah, exactly. They're trying to throw shit against the wall

to see what's going to stick. And we've actually discussed, like, these next batch of shows that are coming out, like, they're important to the network as a whole. Like, they need to find something that's going to hold on because... this stuff is starting to fade. And you can see in comments online,

you can see the fans talking about, they're like, this is getting old, this shtick is tired, this is also tired, like what the fuck is going on? Why are we doing this? Why are we pushing all this shit? Instead of,

we want to see the lives of these women. Like, that's why we watch the show, is to, like, see behind the scenes of these lavish lifestyles. You don't have to force feed a shit. We don't want this, like, manufactured drama constantly. Because we can sniff it out, too. And look, we're not that smart,

especially when it comes to watching Bravo. We miss a lot of shit. We're, look, we're dudes that watch football. And we played football. So we probably have CTE. We don't remember shit. Who knows? I was a catcher for 15 years.

I took too many foul balls off my head. Exactly. You can only imagine. It's brutal. But, like, we watch it, and we see things. They're like, that's bullshit. That's got to be fake. And then you see people online, and they're like,

this is bullshit. It has to be fake. Bravo has to be tapped into, to, like, the Twitter world, or to just social media in general. Andy specifically just be like, all right, this isn't working. We've got to figure something out. They do have focus groups, right? But I'm on the same side as you.

Like, how long can you continue down the same path? People are going to get tired. They do. And they are. They really are. And I think we've seen it a lot with our show this year. I don't know. Like I said, this season was hard for me.

But the online support, was amazing. I didn't expect that. Like, coming into the season. In our comment thread, when we posted about when all this stuff came out and we were both like, this is ridiculous, what the fuck is going on, you had hundreds of supporters.

Like, Chris, we got your back. Chris, like, this is ridiculous, blah, blah, blah. Like, everybody, 99.9% of the comments were in support. And the other ones were just about something different. Nobody said, like, oh, this guy's a scumbag or, like, anything like that. I mean, yeah, there's the few and far between, which which was great

because it did provide some sense of relief for me but going into the season I was very anxious and I said this at the reunion you know my ex-wife and my mother both victims of sexual abuse

as children and so I know what makes people uncomfortable like I don't want to be like I'm not the expert but like someone who has been victimized right in a sexual abuse sense

you learn how to navigate situations and what can be triggering and what cannot. And then again, being in the restaurant industry, which is known to be rampant for sexual assault, sexual harassment, whatever, right? And I said, I've been through more sexual harassment trainings and whatever than I care to admit,

but this is the industry that I'm in and you have to, you know, protect yourself and whatnot. And, like, I can, you know, so just, listen. Here we go. I wasn't going to say, hold on, guys, here we go. I wasn't going to say it, but I say this at the reunion. I know for a fact, I know I said 99% sure that I did not say, Giselle, can we go to your room?

Growing up, I was never allowed, like, you know, you want to go hang out with your friends, right? Call them up on the phone because we don't have cell phones, you're dialing it up. Hey, what do you do? I couldn't say to my friends, hey, can I come over? I had to be invited over. That's what my friends would, like my parents would say, no, don't ask if you can, they have to invite you. Number one. Then, excuse me, so that was number one.

So that's one fact that I know I did not say, Giselle, let's go to your Roman talk. What I said was, can we go somewhere and talk in private? Because we were going to be talking about the season and upcoming and how can we get through this? And production doesn't like us to talk off camera. They want everything to be done. Eddie was also there.

He heard. Candice's glam team also there. They heard. but I didn't want to bring them into it but we talked about this at the reunion and she can say whatever she wants to but this is the like

where we're at and it's it's a he said she said and I don't want to be involved and he said she said and I told Giselle at the reunion I understand your feelings and I don't want to disrespect your feelings you felt how you felt

and that's cool like I get it I understand it. But what you also said was the optics of the situation. And I called around and I said, listen, are these your actual feelings? Or are you worried about what someone else might say or think because they saw us in a room together? Good point. And she said, well, it's both. Like, I feel like, this is how I feel.

And I mean, okay, if you say so, but. where do you guys stand now like post reunion so i will say that jazelle did apologize and say i'm sorry that i said the sneaky link comment okay so she did apologize for that and i accepted that apology and that was that um Now, I did, because I went on sort of a rant where I was like, you know, you've had your opportunities and especially leading up to the reunion the two weeks before you did this whole press tour about how you have more to say and there's more to the story and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What you're going to do? Put it on her Patreon, make you pay for the story? I mean, you said it not.

You said it not me. You said it not me. If they start fucking doing this. like that we'll get to that in a minute but she was like no I don't have anything else to say I'm just gonna I'm just gonna hold on to that what okay whatever but um so again I took that apology and I accepted that but she never really said like I asked her point blank I was like this made you uncomfortable this is a situation that you know makes you uncomfortable. So when we got to your hotel room, right, the dressing room,

and we went in there and your glam team wasn't in there. And you said, the only reason you said yes is because you thought your glam team was in there. Why didn't you say, Chris, my team's not here. I don't feel comfortable. Let's do this later. Or can we talk? Why didn't you say that? Until after the fact. Well, this was the answer. nothing she didn't have an answer she didn't respond she just didn't so what i i should what nothing and and if you and that's i mean that's the part that really is like when we got there if that was really how you felt like and i i refer i said listen you've talked about my penis for four years in a row.

You mentioned that. Every chance that you've got, you've mentioned it. And I have never said that that makes me uncomfortable. So I would never expect you to apologize for that. But I'm telling you right now I don't like it and makes me uncomfortable. So I don't ever want to hear you talk about it

again. Yeah. I just said, okay. I said, okay. So in that same sense, this is a situation that you know that you don't like. You didn't say anything to me about it. but you want me to now apologize for it and she couldn't get past it i was like listen joseph i didn't do it she's like yes you did i said what did i do you went in my room with me

yes i went in with you i don't have a key to your room i didn't open the fucking door right i didn't say joselle go in the room and i'm coming in with you you invited me in and i'm a firm believer in no means no at any point in the conversation or the act or whatever and when you said hey can you go check to see if they need me and i left so i didn't do anything this is a mutual thing this was something we both agreed to and did what do you want me to apologize for well you put me in the position she invited you to the right i didn't put you in the fucking position yeah i asked and you said yes and i and i went with yes until you said go and then you left and then i went so what am i what do i have to apologize for and apologizing it it makes it seem it kind of

implicates you right like if you say i'm sorry it's saying that you did something wrong and like you didn't so all you have to say and all you did say that the reunion was if that's how you felt I'm sorry for like your feelings are your feelings that's not for me to say right which is the correct answer and that's a good way to just like let's move on from this but you can't pick and choose when that applies and that's that's kind of what we saw the whole season with it and I mean from the beginning when this all started to come out and then as the season goes the story changes like episode to episode you start to hear different details you're like well when he told it the first time that's not what happened now the second time it paints Chris in a much different picture like that already is suspect and makes a lot of the viewers people who are watching we're skeptical as shit because it's like where is this coming from one

two and this caught me by surprise because we don't break the fourth wall very often but when Candace is like this is the way we're going this year and like grabs the producer immediately like really are you fucking kidding me like what the hell

so we've already seen that and then we see the story change multiple times we see everyone like conniving behind closed doors and then you see Robin her ride or die be like no no no this isn't what happened like i there's no way that chris did that like she even comes to lunch with you guys to clear the air with all that shit and it's like which we thought was very genuine and appreciated right because i was apprehensive like i i i didn't want to go to that

lunch yeah i initially did not want to but they wanted us to do this and wanted us to do this and and okay fine and that goes back to to the finale which i was touching on earlier i had actually by the finale because Mexico what we didn't see Candice and Giselle kind of like got to a good place and said okay I'd be willing to talk

the three of us not alone obviously we just couldn't make it happen and then if you go to that watch what happens live episode I think was Giselle and Robin where Giselle was like he apologized because he was wrong

but I didn't apologize we just never got a chance to talk during the season and I actually DMed her let's be clear I DMed Giselle because I don't have her phone number literally Giselle Bryant DM yes and I said listen if if there was something that I did

that truly made you feel uncomfortable I will apologize but what I don't appreciate is the way that you went about this, the words that you used, and the way that you described it. I'm very upset about this. You messaged her that.

I messaged her that. I have it in my phone right here. And her response, here, I'll read the exact fucking message. Please do. Give it to the viewers. The exact message. Hey, I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to talk this season because I feel it was a conversation

that needed to be had. And maybe sometime you, Candace, and I can have that conversation. If I truly made you feel uncomfortable, for that I'm sorry, but I'll be honest. I've been very angry about how this was played out and some of the words that you have been used, and that is why I've been hesitant. I do want you to know that I respect you as a woman and would never do anything intentionally to make you feel any way.

And this is at the finale, and so today was Candace's day, and I just wanted to celebrate her and not detract from her moment. It was nothing personal, because I did not acknowledge. her at the finale. Her response. Apology appreciated. That's it. That's it?

That's it. Damn. God damn. That's it. That's annoying. But like... Like, I'm trying to extend the olive branch. I'm acknowledging your feelings.

I don't agree with the way you went about it. But if there was something that I actually did, because you told Karen, he needs to apologize for what he did to me. And I asked her point of play, what did I do to you? Yeah. She didn't have an answer. Zero. I don't get it.

It doesn't seem like, like, Giselle specifically, I feel like she doesn't need the pine for a storyline. Like, she's involved in pretty much everything. She doesn't need...

Well, that's her problem. She doesn't have a storyline. Exactly. Yeah, she's just kind of like spread across everybody else's storylines.

So she, I guess, thought that, like, maybe this could be her one thing. So now she's kind of pissed off that you're like being super nice about it being like, look, I'm sorry.

Like, I really didn't realize it, but I don't like the way you're talking shit. And she's just like, apology and he didn't even say shit she also didn't even say accepted she said appreciated apology it's important to hone in on words words matter words matter they do unless unless it's candace and they don't matter as much like it's it's it's so weird it's it's such yeah there's a lot of double standards it's crazy and it is what it is then for like you know

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And she was covering for him while trying to defame your character. Like what goes through your mind when that came to light? Okay. So we all, as members of this platform, we all have things we don't want to come out, right? So I don't blame Robin for not wanting to share that particular segment of her life, right? That's fair.

And if we're being honest, I mean, Robbins received a ton of scrutiny for seven plus years about her relationship with Juan. And, you know, as someone who has an ex-wife and kids, and I'm sure you understand, right, you do what you have to do to make it work for the kids. kids and that that can be difficult at times no matter what your relationship is and so not wanting to share i don't blame robin for not wanting to share um jazelle knowing i also understand that's your friend you don't want to put your friend on blast i can respect that but what i don't respect and what has been circling in my mind since this has come out. There's two things,

but the most important being, did you make a big deal out of, I don't even want to say our situation, but the situation to deflect? I mean, that's a natural place for my mind to go. It's a natural place for Candice's mind to go, and it just makes the situation and the storyline and the plot that much more disgusting. It's like, I would like to believe that that wasn't the case, but it's a hard pill to swallow to say that wasn't the case, right? Yeah. Like, it's very plausible, and I just can't get. past that this is what you were doing. Objective third party, like

we talked about it immediately after you pointed out what was going on to me. Yeah, like in our opinion, or at least my opinion, like, that's exactly what happened. It was 100% her to be like, look, I got you, girl. Like, I'm not going to let your shit come out. I'm going to throw some shit

somewhere else, and I'm going to fuck up his life because I don't want your life to get fucked up. But you want to keep this on the lowdown? Like, I got you back. That's what I think. Yeah. No, I fully agree with that. That's kind of what it seemed like.

And we can get into it a little bit further where she is now charging fans money to hear the full story. That's the part. It's like, yeah, come on. And we had this discussion last night. We filmed the podcast. We were thinking, all right, like, how does Bravo feel about that, though? Because we can watch this unfold on their show that you get paid for. That you get paid for.

But it's not enough. You have to go charge people money to hear the quote unquote full story, which, by the way, there's no way that's going to be the full story it's not going to be true you're going to withhold a lot of information exactly yeah exactly yeah it's not as bad obviously but but it is like it's infuriating to see because we went through this tired ass storyline throwing you under the bus we went through a lot of tired ass storylines here's something that's real legit that we could actually watch unfold and be like fuck that sucks like how much did you know did you aid and abet this where you just actively trying to hide it. Who else knew? Who else was keeping it under wraps?

Was Karen keeping it under wraps the whole time? And then struck, like, there was so much there that we could have seen. And you held it out, and now you're going to give us the full story, but at a price. Like, that's some bullshit. Right. Whether it's five cents, five dollars, or whatever they charge, right? You, you are on a platform that pays you very good money. Like, I know the money that you make because I know what my wife makes and you've been on the show longer. So I know your paycheck is bigger than my wife's. So you're on a platform that is paying you significant money to speak about your real life. And you withhold that information. And I get it. That's damning information. And you're trying to raise two young

boys in a world that doesn't really appreciate black people if we're going that route, right? In a sense, we can throw that in there. And it's a difficult road to navigate. And I fully respect that. I do. I don't have any qualms about withholding the information. Where the issue comes in is that you're on the platform that pays you to talk about your life, but you're not going to talk about your life, but then you're going to sell your life.

but then you're going to sell your life on another platform. That, to me, is disingenuous, and it doesn't represent the platform that we are supposed to represent. Right. And then you think about that in a sense that, well, shit, you didn't want to divulge that information.

Cool, we understand. But in order to keep that information at bay, you created... or your friend created or whoever someone created a narrative that was like, look, we've got this information and this information and this information that is not really damaging, but we can at least create a story that we can fuck up somebody else's shit, really, really good.

And that's the part that gets me. And so I sent out the tweet. And the last couple days, my Twitter has been going pretty apeshit because of some of the tweets that I have made, but these are my real feelings about this. And Candace said it best in her tweet, like, what are we really doing? This is supposed to be reality TV, and we're supposed to be sharing ourselves. And there's a lot of times where, you know, I don't necessarily want to film. As a husband, I don't get paid for this. I'm here to support my wife. And yes, my wife makes a good amount of money doing this

but while it benefits our family sure I'm not always in the mood I don't always want to do it and the production team their favorite line is well we're just trying to make a TV show here and you know

the more you can be involved the better it's going to be and I buy into it like yeah I get it but why are you forcing me to be a part of my wife's storyline when my wife has there were three two different occasions that they had films up that cut that didn't make it her scripted shell like she has so much

going on you don't need me for my wife to have story yeah and and she's very vocal on her own as we all know like she'll create her own story for whatever but Juan doesn't necessarily film. Like, he does some stuff with Robin, and that's cool. And I'm okay being in that realm. That's okay. I'm okay with that. Well, Giselle, what do you have?

Nothing. Like, yes, we've seen your kids, and that's awesome. I think that's the realest Giselle ever is, is when we see her with her children. We comment frequently for all of her shortcomings. Jiselle's a good mom. She's a good mom. phenomenal mother, and I think that is the most vulnerable and real that we ever see Giselle as when she's with her kids.

And that's amazing TV. It's great. We love those moments. It's phenomenal. We see the vulnerability. We see the love. We see the interaction. And teenage daughters, I have one of my own.

Those are difficult roads to navigate. And that's great. People want to see that because what makes reality TV great? For whatever storyline is out there, the normal person sitting at home who can be like, I relate to that situation. I have one child that I don't have a relationship with at all, right? He's going to be 21 in October. And it's a very difficult road.

It's emotional for me. I don't know how to get past that. I probably could have done more earlier and I'm at a point now where I feel like I've lost him and it's heartbreaking for me but I know that there are a lot of people out there who can relate to that story and being able to hear and see somebody

who struggles with it who wants to build and create a relationship and doesn't know how, but can still move on right reality TV is about creating emotions and parallels with the audience that they'd be like you know what I never would have thought to deal with that situation in that manner and I see that and it enlightens them it makes them feel seen whatever the reason is right that that's what reality TV is supposed to be not this made-up bullshit about

ABC and let's take down this person and take down that person. You're supposed to be creating alliances or situations that people can relate to. And like I said, I didn't always do things the right way. And I blame a lot of my relationship

with my oldest son or lack thereof. Some I put on his mother for sure, but if I'm being fully transparent, a lot of it falls me also. There are a lot of things I could have done differently, but at 23, 24, what do you really know then as an adult, right? Not a lot. And you can only do what you can, but you learn from your mistakes, and I am grateful for

the relationship that I have with my two youngest children to be able to learn from that. And you just, you have a platform. And this goes for anybody who has a platform, whether it's an actor or actress, and athlete people look at you in a different life i i somebody was trying to reach out to my wife they couldn't get through to my wife they sent me a a dm on instagram and and i happened to respond because it just something piqued my interest and said i need to respond to it and i did and it was like look i they just relate and they just want to be able to say thank you or whatever it is and it's we have a responsibility we do

whether we want to admit that or not you guys are philly guys Charles Barkley I'm not a role model yes the fuck you are whether you want to admit it or not you are people look at you differently yeah and I mean I had the same sentiment

as Charles I'm not a role model I'm a regular fucking guy who just happens to be on a TV show but was it was the Batman line with great oh no Spider Man with great power great responsibility yes and whether we realize it or not people look up to us and you have to

accept that and and you have to be responsible and that's like that's where I've drawn so much like anger and hurt from this season is like I look at it that way why can't you yeah and you're okay with me like social media doesn't pay me I don't give a fuck with they think, and I'm going to do whatever I want to, and fuck life. Well, we've seen it, and I think it's, it got really out of hand with the, the Beverly Hill season. They got so in tune with social media that they were taking all of their shit out on there. Yeah.

I think there needs to be, like, a limit. They need to put, like, a screen time limit on how much they can interact with fans because it got really messy. Like, the Beverly Hill shit got just out of control. And it was a lot to do with them commenting on other people's posts. Like, we had a post about Kathy Hilton. And we were talking shit about Kyle. To throw shade at Kyle, Paris Hilton liked our post.

Because we were talking shit about, so to throw shade at her own aunt, she liked our post of talking shit about her. Yeah. Like, that's the level that it got to. Social media is crazy. Like, it's, you're right, though. But people, they know that they can get to somebody because of this.

But what I think has happened, and I don't watch a lot of reality TV outside of the Housewives platform. Like, I don't get into the below decks or the southern hospitality. I can only take so much. But what I think has happened, and again, I'm going to take this back to season five of Potomac. and I could be 100% wrong in this, but I feel like that was the jump off. These Bravo Leberties, if you will, the Housewives, have taken to being fully engaged in Twitter.

Twitter's the most toxic, volatile space for Housewives, in my opinion. And I've learned the hard way because I had no idea about, like, sub-tweets or like oh man Candace is the queen of of a sub-tweet Oh yeah

well I went down a rabbit hole of our own posts like after six months and I had no idea and I started to I was like oh quote tweet what the fuck is that I clicked out

I was like oh these are mean and then it was like sub-tweets I'm like oh this is really fucking mean I thought we were like killing and everyone loved us and I was like oh we do have haters but I think I think what has happened is

a lot of these housewives they're reading these posts And these comments and I'll use Candace as an example for two seasons. It was really popular to hate Candace and blogs. If you put Candice whatever in your title and your blog and your description, you were getting clicks, likes, and views beyond. Like if you hated Candace, you were a superstar.

You were getting everything. And now this season, because she literally paid everything, like nothing, like, oh, I know my man and we're good. I'm not even going to get, I literally think that they started these rumors or thoughts because they expected her to react the way that she had in previous seasons. And people would say, oh, she's overreacting, Candace is vile, she says, and it was going to make them even more. popular but she didn't do that and it has backfired and but again across all franchise i think that they're these housewives are starting to read the tweets and see what the fans are thinking where's the popular opinion okay i'm going to go in that direction and that's only going to last for so long because from what i have heard from executives at bravo and mbc

universal and whatever social media is a very very very small component of the overall audience i don't i would believe that i mean if i go down twitter and i go down and i search the hashtag rhop i i mean i see the same 50 to 100 people yeah constantly commenting right but if we if we look at the ratings well we get 800 000 viewers regularly right sometimes we eclipse a million sometimes we're in the 700,000 range, whatever. 100 people to 800,000 is a very, very small percentage. Like, they do their focus groups,

and they do their research. They know what works and whatever. And social media is a very small aspect. But people feel empowered on these platforms, Twitter especially. Yeah, they can hide behind the electronic face. I mean, if you look at it, 99% of them, they have a housewife picture profile.

It's a profile of their favorite housewife. And then, like, their handle is, like, something about, like, Dorit's handbag or, like, something stupid. And then we'll say some shit about Derreet, and who's the first person in the comment? Doreet's handbag. These fucking idiots, like, you guys don't even know Doreet. It's like, bitch, do you? Do you? Like, what are you talking?

Right, and I just joined last month, and I have three followers. Yeah. And they all agree with me, by the way. Yeah. It's just my other Twitter. But human nature, it's like, you feel in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, it's just. inclined like you want to respond to that because like

he does it all this it's really funny to watch him because he gets so mad and I'll go on every once in a while every once in a while like he doesn't do a lot on Twitter like I'll handle the Twitter like he said he's like a Twitter newbie and I'll go on and I'll be like what the fuck is this? I don't engage with those people and it's just like one person with like two followers it's just like

and they get these guys straight men need to get the hell out of here and steals like no no no we're good we're going to stay and I'm like dude you don't have to engage with those idiots but you feel he gets mad yeah you want to Bend yourself. So now he'll just screenshot. Now he'll just screenshot and send it to me and be like, you fucking believe this?

But on TikTok, I get it. I do TikTok and Instagram, so on there, like, every once in a while I find myself like there was one guy, the ones that really get me are the ones that don't use logic. Like, when they don't make any sense, that's when I'm like, well, you need to explain yourself because this doesn't make sense. And then they explain themselves, and it makes even less sense. And then I get aggravated. And then I fire back.

And next thing, I know I'm in like a seven comment war with some random. I'm like, this is a really shitty look for us. I need to stop response. The problem is, no. The issue is because I'm going to say it and crucify me if you want, straight mint, we don't get it.

Oh, yeah. Like, our thought process is very different than the majority of the Housewives universe, right? And that's not a bad thing. No disrespect to any, whatever, wherever you represent and feel good, We support that, but the way people think is different.

Whether you're a woman, whether you're gay, whether you're straight, whatever it is, man, we all think differently and we relate differently. And there's no wrong answers, but it can be frustrating. Like, you can ignore 500 comments, and then there's one, it just strikes a nerve. And you're like, oh! Fuck you, I'm going to respond because, God, this ain't it. And you just, and then you get stuck. And then you get to a certain point where you respond one too many times. Like, fuck, I should have stopped.

Right, because it's like, this is a good time. I'm going to get the last word. You're not going to tell me to shut up. I'm going to make you shut up. And then this dumbass will text me. I guess I'm the dumbassness. He's like, dude, I'm like, I know. He knows exactly what I'm talking about as soon as I said.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I have finally, after five years or however many years we've been on the show, I've finally gotten to the point where I'm like, because Candace, Andy, rightfully so, Candice, you're a disaster on Twitter. She was really bad for a long time, and she's gotten really good, and that's great. Now, I will say that there are some other housewives who have been more of a disaster. They didn't get called out, but that's a different podcast for a different time. But I have not gotten to the point because if we're being 100% completely honest, I am pettier, shadier, messier, nastier than Candace.

100%. But I am a nice guy. I want to be friendly and I'm going to give you all the grace in the world until you have exceeded your grace period and I'm just going to ruin you. right we saw this season where I sent a tweet out that something about you're going to be sorry like you you have surpassed the amount of grace I'm willing to give and I'm going to grind this into the ground until you are done

but I've gotten to the point where I'm like Candace can I tweet this that's better good good point I'm going to start doing that with him hey shooter yeah yeah I mean it's good and and another another tactic that Candice and I have both sort of adopted is we will type the tweet and send it to the draft because you feel good once you get it out like you feel good that's what I like that method I might have to do I might send it to the draft I've gotten paid it on it a couple of days

see if you still feel the same way do I feel it so and you don't have to answer by any means but just with with the paywall thing with the Patreon on top of of Juan getting named in that lawsuit. Do you think it's possible that we don't see Robin next season? Would she check out? And again, you don't have to answer. If you're not comfortable, just I was wondering your take. No, it's a valid question.

And, you know, Candace and Robin have had a very good friendship on and off camera. I mean, they get into it a little bit, whatever. Nothing's been too serious. They seem to get over it every time. Yeah. And Candice looks at Robin. as a a good friend.

Robin, I mean, I don't know how familiar you guys are with the Divine Nine in black, Greek sorority, but Robin is a Delta.

A majority of Candice's family is Delta. And Candice has always been supportive of Robin. Robin is, always said that this situation with Juan it's being over-analyzed and overplayed in the media

and Candice and I always like to take our friends or who we consider as friends until they show us otherwise and Robin has always been so Robin was the only person who showed up to Candice's DC show when she was doing her tour and we would like to

to believe that Robin is a real legitimate friend. And she says there's nothing to worry about that everything is fine. Now, anybody can say whatever they want to and name anybody they want in a lawsuit. And if, yeah, I'm sure you guys, as much as I have, have seen the post and seen the tweets and whatever. And it looks damning. I mean, it doesn't look good. It does not look good Is that a true account

Who knows She has continued to move on The way that she always has And I would like to believe her And Juan And There's always three sides to every story Right

A, B, and the truth Yep And And Like I said, I've read it And it doesn't look good good but from her standpoint and what she has said and what Juan has said to her who has been relayed to us they're okay and I want to believe that and that's where I'm going to go with it

so where does that leave her for the show I mean I feel that if I'm me speaking as me and only me and no... It's crazy how you have to, like... Clarify. Yeah, of course, yeah. Like, shit. It's... I think she's okay.

Okay. I think that while a lot of social media is upset, rightfully so, in the way that some of the things that have come out

over the last couple of weeks, why didn't you share this on the show? Why are we paying for this? And they want, want to see her fired um robin brings a dynamic to the show that i think is necessary in a sense that while she is very good friends with jazelle she is still her own person i know a lot of people think she's a shadow and subscribes to what jazelle says and people are going to probably crucify me and say, like, oh, you're being soft.

I like to believe people for what they give me. Okay. And everything that I had been given by Robin face to face just says that there's a place for her on this platform. She deserves to be in the role that she is in. I disagree with charging people for your story. fully disagree with that. I think that was a bullshit move and... Not reasonable, but shady.

Yeah. Not even shady. It wasn't reasonable. It wasn't shady. It was fucked up. Yeah. Like, you're charging people to hear your real life that a network is paying for you to give on a platform, right?

You are paid a good amount of money to give you a real life. And you said, you know what? I'm not going to give that. I'm going to give this, and then I'm going to charge you for this. Like, double dipping, not bait and switch. What's the fucking, the finance term for that? It's like, there's a term, and I'm drawing a blank in the moment, but you took advantage of a situation, and it's fucked up.

That's how I feel about that, but. Sort of like insider trading. I think double. Yeah, like an insider trading type deal. Double dipping is actually correct. Correct, because she is getting paid for her reality on a show. But you didn't give it, but then also withholding some of that and charging on top of it. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Like, we know that Bravo just can't be happy with that. Like, they got to be pissed off. Listen, as far as I know, they are not. Yeah. And I'm sure there will be some repercussions. Is she going to get waited? Like the timing is very suspicious.

She waits right after the reunion. And you sat up there and didn't say anything during. some significant parts and it's like it was strategic and as me as someone who was thrown under the bus I'll see it's I'm like

fuck but again back to my personality I'm like I'm defending you in this moment and it's like fuck me like am I just a little bitch I know but I mean you're kind of between a rock and a hard place

like if you go too hard right if you start to chime in at the wrong time or you seem like too aggravated in a moment or you seem like you care too much you care too little like you are walking such a thin line just because you want to move the fuck on you've been vindicated from all this bullshit it's time to like close the door on this season so if you overstep at the reunion now you shoot yourself in the foot so it's like what the fuck are you supposed to do here you you want to know the fucked up part and this is the

shit that i think about today is February 2nd yes the second right yep we are October right we are in the beginning of black history month the reunion is going to air in February during black history month I am at this point the only white man on a predominantly black it's all black except for me

I mean Michael was not seen this season I don't think I didn't see him thankfully but I have a question about him later okay that's cool and I And Candace and I talk about it's like, how can I be as a white man on a platform of all black people defending myself, berating a black woman, like being upset and being like, but I have a right to defend myself. But it's like, fuck, the line is razor thin. Yeah, it really is.

And it's like, I respect all of these women. that we work with like I really legitimately do even to the detriment of my relationship with Candace because she's not always on par with them and if we go back to season three I think it was our first season

and Cherie's yeah it was season three Charisse's charity event Candace and Giselle were not getting along but Giselle shows up she's delivering water and I'm helping her like I'm just I mean, I'm to my a gentleman. I'm going to help

like I don't get into your bullshit. I'm just going to be a man and help and do what I can in the moment. But now to sit up here and have to berate these women because I'm pissed off at what you said and what you did and the majority of our audience is black

and you got this white man up here like going in. I was like, that is tough it's great like that's a really tough situation i wish it on no one yeah it's a rock and a hard place it's tough but i can only be who i am and i'm not going to change that and luckily you know and thankfully for me i give two fucks about social media because i have a very very supportive group of people who have known me well before this platform yeah and and i can say even people that I went to high school with that I haven't talked to since high school

that I get messages from and the messages that they're like you know uh you know I haven't spoken to you in 20 years but the guy that I see on TV is the same guy that I knew 20 years ago that's refreshing I'll take that over anybody who's like oh my gosh oh I loved what you said today or the person's like oh you're just somebody wants to be in women's business whatever yeah those those are the people that maybe i was friends with you maybe i wasn't whatever but you took the time to message me and be like it's nice to see that tv didn't go to your fucking head right yeah that's a good good thing to read and that's how i live my life like yeah i i've said this before on different podcasts i don't remember if i said it when i spoke to you guys before but

of all the people on our show i'm the only one who is from this area you know you this DMV area. Everybody else is a transplant. So I've built my career in restaurants for 30 years in D.C., Maryland, and Virginia. So there are a lot of people who know me. And for people to say, you know what, it's good to see the guy that I met as a bartender, you know, 20 years ago or whatever, is the same guy I see on TV. Your demeanor, your composure, whatever it is, is still the same. Because how to fuck can I be one guy behind the bar?

bar or behind on the line or in a restaurant as a GM whatever be in one way and then I get on TV but I want you to come to my restaurant and be like hey good what who are you yeah right I only have one way to be and that's the only way I'm going to be yeah take it or leave it is what it is I think we saw it like for the majority of the season and I'm going to kind of bring it home here because we could probably do this all night and we've almost been two hours and there has to be an end at some point. Get your question about Michael in here. I want to see where this is good.

Oh, yeah. Let me start with that. And then we'll finish for something else. First and foremost, I want to point out that you are wearing sweatpants pulled up to your mid-ankle, which shooter has to be thrilled. Always.

I love it. Thank you for that. I love it. There's an Instagram picture of me on my profile with the same look, so I understand. I get where you're coming from. Despite this guy. Despite this guy.

But so I never in my life thought that I would have a chance to talk to somebody that has met and interacted with Michael Darby before. What? Like, from, so, Potomac has been my favorite for a while. Before we started the podcast, I used to watch with my wife. And, like, even before we were married, I was like, oh, this is a franchise. I really enjoy this one.

This one's good. But he always, like, skeved me the fuck out. He always gave me the creeps and then watching everything unfold. And then you get that weird thing where he slaps the cameraman on the ass. And then also, like, all of his off-color comments, there's just a lot of creepy shit. going on. So as somebody that knows him, is he actually like that in person? Is he actually that

creepy and like rub people the wrong way? 100%. I make no, I hate that motherfucker. Yeah. I do know I try to give him a chance. I really did um

and so there, I think was on the show. I don't know if it was season three or season four um ashley had a drag competition the night she sung that song coffee and love right i i was working that night so i couldn't make the actual thing but i showed up at the restaurant oz um after the fact and so it was a weird atmosphere It was what it was. But I went over to the bar.

Michael was sitting at the bar. He's a big Caps fan. Capitals, I know you guys in the penguins. Well, you're liars. Oh, whoa, whoa. Sorry. Sorry. Jesus.

God. Yeah, dude. Come on. You fucking sports, man. You just failed. You stupid fuck. Yeah, you know sports. Get the fuck out of here.

Right. Jesus Christ. Look, I don't like the penguins either. But anyway. Sidney Crosby's a bitch. He's never going to hear that. Agreed. Agreed.

Agreed. Anyway, so the caps on the team. So we're saying, and I'm trying to have a conversation. It's just me and him. We're at the bar. And I'm just trying to have a normal conversation. There's no cameras. There's no nothing.

And all this guy wants to talk about is his goddamn money. And I got this and I got that. And everybody says my restaurant's going to fail because it's fucking kangaroo meat, dude, in Arlington. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Arlington, Virginia. but there's a bunch of fucking mid-20s to mid-30s white guys who just want to drink beer and eat pizza and find a girl to fuck. That's Arlington.

Is that on the sign for like their slogan? Welcome to Arlington. White guys and fucking. That's it. It's really that is the motive. But anyway, I'm trying to talk to him. And I just get annoyed with the conversation because like, I'm just trying to talk to you.

Guy to guy. I don't care about your money. I don't care where you've been or what you've done. Like, who are you as a person? And I just never got that real person from him. And then, and it didn't come up this year at the reunion, but the fact of the matter is, the only reason that Michael Darby never saw the inside of a jail cell is because I said, no, instead of yes and if i was a petty motherfucker all i had to do is say yes the cameraman that situation forget what they showed you on the show at monique's house i don't know about that situation i wasn't there but the situation that i do know about um the party at l2 a bar in georgetown um it was like the 80s party or whatever and he was dressed like a will

Smith character or whatever it was. He and I were having conversation between two pillars in this bar. The cameraman walks through. And as the cameraman is walking between two of us, I glance over

at the bar when my wife is and just seeing what they're doing, and I don't see the actual action. But in that glance over here, and then the glance back, and that cameraman in the conversation between him and Michael.

I'm an honest person and I did not see Michael grab that man's ass. And so I will never say that he did it because I didn't see it. But based on the conversation and the way things went, he grabbed that

motherfucker's hand. He did it. Like, the tension and the conversation and the fuck you and I'm sorry. And look, Michael can be a playful guy That's creepy

God the fuck that I'm giving this motherfucker And this is my person out Like I can't believe I can't believe I'm giving him grace Because what I'm going to tell you The next two minutes You'll be like Why the fuck did you do that?

Then stop it You just stop giving him grace I can't That's just my personality Like I cannot condemn somebody If I didn't see it As much as I want to

That's fair That's fair fair i if i had to bet my i may bet i gamble the fuck out of everything that i can and my wife he's like don't gamble that fuck it these i had good odds this fucking happened but this shit it is what is but my wife performed in the bahamas a few months ago michael darby is apparently a frequenter of the SLS resort in the Bahamas where my wife was performing

when she was performing was their five-year anniversary he was at the fucking resort a Bravo slash NBC Universal publicist person who was there handling my wife for this event

Michael Darby went up to her thought it was Candace threatened her and said, how dare you speak about me like this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, like, went in. And she was like, yo. Like, he was like, oh, sorry.

And if I, like, I was over here and I saw the, I didn't know what was happening. Yeah. Grabbed her by the arm and was like, oh, shit. If, if I was over there and that had been, I'd throw that motherfucker off the rooftop. You've been doing a lot of people. I do not.

Like him. Season Season four or season five. Whenever we saw Juan's birthday party at the haunted house and Michael wasn't around for filming because there was suspicion of him

grabbing someone's ass. And this was his first scene back. But I just be like, yo, go talk to Michael. I don't know to talk to Michael. I don't fucking like that guy. Like, no, we're trying to. to make tea just go talk to him like whatever fine hey michael what's going on how are you he's on his phone fucking ignoring me whatever he ignores me whatever i try to have conversation he looks up

there's a fucking camera guy i didn't even know the camera guy was right camera guy right across and michael looks up he sees the camera and he's like and he fucking disappears and i just look at the camera, I'm like, told you it wasn't going to fucking work. But then, then he goes and gets Juan, who was like with his kids at the time. Yeah, because he wants to blow him. Yeah. You don't have to say it, I'll say it. It brings Juan back.

And now, all of a sudden, there's the three of us, and we're having this conversation, and we're talking about extreme sports. And we're talking about snowboarding versus skiing. And I'm like, yeah, I don't like snowboarding because as a soccer player and a, attempt at professional soccer fucked my knee up got all messed up whatever snowboarding put a lot of pressure

on my knee and I preferred skiing to snowboarding it was a little less pressure it was easier to deal with so you're scared Michael Darby asked you if you were scared yeah I was like no like I prefer this to this I've done both

this is easier and he started like all of a sudden he's happy and he's like trying to go in I'm like five minutes ago you didn't even fucking want to talk to me yeah and and from that point I was like fuck this guy like yeah he's a piece of shit I stand by it fuck you Michael Darby um I second that

I don't like the guy season five finale I don't know how the fuck I don't know how I didn't beat the shit out because I wanted to hit that motherfucker so goddamn bad it's not worth it. It's not. It's not because Michael Darby, I know you're a litigious motherfucker.

I don't know if I can say it, so I'm not going to. But if he's litigious, then you might get slander. You're making a slander suit. I've gotten paperwork, Michael. But I know you and I know the truth. And if you really want to take it that route, I mean, it is what it is. But he's a piece of shit i fucking hate that motherfucker um i'm thinking i i i showed you i showed you some some dms i had earlier yeah i've got some others if you'd like to see now i mean obviously yeah no there's no

michael darby dickpicks there's no michael darby dickpicks i don't want to see any michael darby dick i don't want to see michael darby's but but where the fuck is my oh it's right here i'm i'm gonna just pass it to you real quick i'm gonna let you read it but all right let's we got to unfortunately this thing up because it is now over two hours. So I'll come back whenever you guys want. It's a short John up here. That's perfect.

That works for us. Oh, yeah. So we put out questions. We asked our listeners to give us some questions and we've got a shit ton. So I'm going to just pick one at random here. All right. Steele has a really hard time

reading usernames. It really do. Yeah. It's like a, it's an ongoing stick. but it's not actually me trying to be funny. It's just, and I can read very well, and I can speak very well, but when it comes to reading the usernames, something gets crossed in my brain.

When I do my lies, I'm like, duh, what is that? I don't even know what you're saying. He gives me shit for, but like, I try my best. Have you ever tried to do this? Yeah, it's easy. Yeah, he can do it like off the cuff. I can't.

I also cannot. All right, from, let's start with a heavy one, and then we'll ease off. from gnats.g.R. See, that's easy. Yeah. And Nats, Nationals, Hey, Potomac, hey.

Yeah. I played against the Potomac Nationals. Okay, Prince William Counting. There you go. Yeah, that garbage stadium, whatever. Yeah. Has the drama from the ladies affected your relationship with Candace at all?

No. Which is amazing because Candice and, man, if I knew what this, what love was, right? Candace and I have the most amazing relationship. I have never been able to be as open and honest with anybody, right? Man, woman, friendship, relationship, whatever. And this was one of the conversations we had before being on the show, like when we were being considered. I was like, listen, communication is huge for me. I need to be able to know where we are at every moment,

at every time and I can tell her anything like I can tell her this whole sent me some titties in my DMs like I didn't ask for that shit like we were talking about food and then there was titties like and it's great like I can tell her anything and and this is this is why she did not react to the bullshit because she knew I I told Giselle I want to talk to her I I messaged

responded to a store however you want to look at. I don't care how you want to look at it. But she knew that I'd already talked to Ashley and said you should have come to Dubby. So we have such an open communication line that no, it hasn't affected us at all. Our relationship

is so strong that she was, that's why she was able to not respond. And I think the ladies really wanted to see Candid's pop off and go buck fucking wild Like she has done previous seasons and be like, oh, Candace is so detrimental to our group. We need to get rid of her.

But she didn't give them what they wanted because she knows me and I know her. And we have our own issues, but together, you're not going to break this off some dumb shit. Good. Love to hear that. Love to hear that. All right. Up next. From Basic Wendy 72.

I'm just going to start reading the ones with easy names. How surprised were you that Juan Dixon is a two-time cheater, Cheater, Pumpkin Eater? So, knowing Juan, like, I want to believe Robin's story that he just dropped a credit card and just felt the, God, I'm just... You're being too nice. You're definitely being too nice. Listen, whatever works for them works for them,

and I'm not here to judge nobody's relationship. That's a great side step. Tremendous side step. We love a good side step. We love that side step. Like the conversation, Juan is a, from what I know of Juan and the conversations I've had with him, he is a good guy. And there's always somebody trying to get you. But Juan's a good guy.

All right. I don't know there. Next question. I don't know the intricacies of their relationship and I don't care to. All right. All right. All right. Right, on to the next one, from Sarah Pod.

Why, you get all the good ones. I'm telling them, you know, the easy ones, do? No, no, no, there's some disaster ones. I'm just avoiding. But who is his favorite Potomac housewife who isn't your wife? But the funny one about this, this is just a testament to the season you had, unfortunately. In parentheses, capital, not in a romantic way, obviously. Just to clarify.

So after this season and watching it playing out, I hate all of them I don't like nobody I don't care say what you want no disrespect Wendy no disrespect Wendy

but no but in all honesty so after the reunion on a train ride back from because we filmed in New York this year on a train ride back to D.C. I was on a train with Mia and Gordon

literally i had my own seat and mea and gordon were literally right across from me candace really likes mea mea just i honestly believe mea gets caught up too much in the social media aspect of everything and she's just trying to find her way and if she would just like candace said on watch what happens live a couple weeks ago if mea would just realize that she is enough on her own and just be herself She would be great. She would be great. Gordon and I have a great relationship.

We, listen, the three of us had the entire car cracking up. Like, our train was at like 10.30 or something in the morning. And Gordon and I were just kind of looking at each other, like, who's going to order the first drink? Because we're in the first class, right? And it's all paid for. And we're like, and by the time we got to that first drink, we just started going in and had the whole car.

Like, there was somebody sitting in front. front of us who was a blogger who knew like was taking selfies with us and we had everybody cracking up and they're a great couple um misunderstood on the show i think a little bit because that's their own doing it is it is their own doing a lot of that to me i think again like i said i think she plays into the social media aspect of it oh sorry no no i there's i this look i think any woman coming onto this platform within the last two years wants to be popular, right? I mean, that's being popular creates longevity, get you more money, right? I understand the mindset.

Why I made that noise. Did she legit put $60,000 of Reno into a rental house? Is that real? That can't be real. I can't. I think we saw that last episode. Like, she walked in, I forget who came over. They're like, all these floors did you put, uh, Giselle did?

Giselle came in. She's like, oh, you put these floors in. Like, you put in this, like, chandelier and everything. Why? I'm like, you're renting this. Like, what? I've been lost. So lost on me.

I didn't watch that episode. I can neither confirm nor deny whether or not she did that. Mm-hmm. But as somebody who has spent a significant amount of time in the finance world, yes, ladies and gentlemen, I have done more than just cook and be in restaurants. I'm not a deadbeat. like you think if you did that

who is your financial advisor lighting money on fire literally flush it down the fucking toilet or or give it to me because my mother-in-law's allowance is not enough and I need more so

no but like if you did that somebody is misguiding you and from the conversations that G and I have had like I I can't believe that you did that, but you said that you did, and I have to take you at what you said. I want to be that landlord that walks in, like, hey, your rental lease is up, and then come back to my house, be like, wow, this looks great. Right. You drop 60 G's in my shit.

Get the fuck out. Yeah. Leases up, bitch, go. I can charge three times as much as I was charging you. Yeah. That don't make no sense. I was lost on me. It just left in my mind.

So I am just as much confused as that person. That's refreshing. Oh, no, that was my question. Oh. That's been bugging the shit out of me. That was from Stihil, Roussel. Yeah. Yeah.

From Dom Denise. Thoughts on Katie Ross coming back? Question mark. Y'all, Katie is a wild card. Every interaction that Candice and I have had with Katie has been awesome. Katie's a fun girl. But that being said, you know, you have to consider people's mental state in where they're at, right? And Katie has some well-documented issues that she has put out on social media herself and gone through rehab.

And if Katie is comfortable in the right mindset to share her life, Candice and I love her. She's amazing, and we welcome Katie with open arms. She's, you know, like I said, a wild card. She's going to go with wherever she feels in the moment, and she's real. And that's what this platform needs is realness, and Katie will deliver realness. She doesn't hold back. Katie's special. She's a good, good person at heart.

All right. That's a solid answer. A positive answer. All right, we got two more questions. The last one is my favorite one, but Okay. This one, you wanted the heavy stuff. All right, so this is a heavy.

Let's give it all. Oh, man, of course. Somebody's name I can't pronounce. Thank God. Can you do it? Yeah, actually. You don't want to try? What is that saying?

Uh, fucking hell. Welcome to my world. Yes. I think it's just a bunch of letters. A, D-J, E-E-A-D-J. Oh, it's A-D-J. I'm A-D-J. It's A-D-J-E.

No. No. I was going to say, A-D-J-A-D-J. I'm going to say, Adja. That's my guess. I don't know. It's A-D-A-D-A-D-D-D-J. A-D-D-J-A-D-J.

A-D-J-I-E-E-A-D-J. I apologize if A-D-J is not the right thing. We butchered your whole shit. I'm so sorry. your question we love your question so here it is all right here you go can monique and kandis ever reconcile wow you wanted the heavy shit i did i did as much as much as i would like to see it happen because i think they were both played by the women on the show in a manner that has set them up for failure

I think there has been some irreparable I said we're irreparable right that's good word damage that has been done and they're both very prideful women

that I don't think either one is ever going to give in okay they could have been dynamic and I think the fans also agree they could have been dynamic

but I think one of them was too caught up in trying to outgrow the shadow of their husband I did not play professional football hint hint I mean listen when you spend a large portion of

of your life being referred to as oh you're the football player's husband yeah and then you finally get the chance to shine and you don't want to lose i mean everybody wants to be recognized right and i don't fault any her for that or anybody for that um i just feel that they were pitted against each other and in a way that just didn't allow you them to be great. They both succumb to situational things that just

it didn't work out in their favor and it was unfortunate. That's a good answer. Is there a place to reconcile right now? I don't think so because one person keeps standing by what we know to be things

that were not true. And the other one, if you're not going to acknowledge things that aren't true, I cannot move forward. All right. That's fair. Reasonable. It's a good answer. It's a good answer. It's a good answer in the last one.

I would like them to move forward. I would say that I would like for there to be a way because Chris and I have, we've had conversations via text message. Nothing in depth, but, you know, happy New Year. Merry Christmas. He's an Alabama fan. I'm a Florida fan. So obviously there's that SEC rivalry. it could be more like

I mean I think the detriment of this is the fact that in some interviews Monique said I was never really friends with Candace and so it's tough to come back for that right it's tough because like I said Candace and I we are very open we're going to give

everything to every relationship ever and if you like if you say you put on for a show it's tough to come back from that and that's no disrespect to Chris, because everybody's individuals, right? But I would like to see them get back together. I would like to see that.

I think they could have been dynamic and great. I truly believe. I agree. I agree. The last one that we have, and it's probably the best question. From Kristen, Cullen, 7. Excuse me. Is your dick really purple?

Nope. It's not purple. There you have it. We finally got to the bottom of it. It's not the answer. but now now there is the brown content right that's been talking about oh oh yeah talking about this seven years later jeez the hard hit you're never going to outrun that one i'm not i like i wish no especially not with me and this idiot we're always going to

ask about it yeah it's funny every time we do an interview i'll probably ask the same question just just to get it's try to slip it at some point you know there's it's it's not purple no purple all right um but the last thing i want to do do it is just just, I want to give you a chance to just kind of say, you know, how you're feeling after this season, you know, you've been through a lot. It's been tumultuous. It's been, you know, we've talked on the side. You've gone through a lot emotionally with this, trying to kind of handle it. So I want to give you just a little time to speak to our listeners to whomever else is out there and say your thoughts and feelings on everything and just kind of how you're doing now and just if you want to tie a bow on it for us and just take us home. For sure. I mean, look, this was the most difficult season I've had to deal with as a house husband. It's called housewives, right? And you think as a husband, you expect to get some bullshit here and there, but never anything that is a detriment to your character.

like at the end of the day all you have is your character right character is is who you are when people are in front of you and when people aren't there right your character speaks more to how you act when there's nobody around versus when there's people around and to see some people try to damage that or discredit that is disheartening it's it's hurtful um and and And so it has been hard, and I never want to discredit someone's feelings. You can never tell somebody how to feel, right? And I respect, and I say this at the reunion, I respect Giselle's feelings. Your feelings are your feelings.

But the way you go about things and the words that you use, there are buzzwords, there are dog whistles, there are certain ways that you present facts or evidence or whatever that create a picture that tends to stick and in this day and age and me too and whatever true or not sexual harassment sexual assaults those allegations tend to stick innocent

guilty whatever we've seen it I mean being someone who's more involved in the sports side of things as opposed to household you see it in sports a lot

athletes especially in college right you're doing whatever it is you're doing you lose sky which then lose your professional career or whatever and then come to find someone's own made something up and it's a it's a very thin line to walk to be on the right side of what is right and i just think that we just need to be more careful especially in the platform that we are in

um i have family i have children who had like my kids And again, I said this of the reunion. My kids' teachers watch this stupid fucking show. They talk about it with their mother. They hit my kids through, they hear about it. And they're asking me. That sucks. Dad, what, what, and I have to explain that shit.

And that's, I don't give too fucks what Jaze said or what Ashley said or what Sesame Street said. I don't care what y'all said. But what I do care about is my son, who's 13 years old, who I'm trying to teach and show as a man, like, respect

women. Like, you may think you're doing the right thing. No matter what, you've got to respect what they say. And if you think you're doing, but they say, oh, whoa, too much. I don't care if your dick is halfway in. And she says, no, no, no, you better pull that shit out and pull your pants up and walk the fuck out.

Difference and trying to explain that. And then have to explain that, son, listen, like, I know what people are saying, but that's the part that sucks. That's really hard. I feel like I'm rambling at this point, but it was a hard season. At the end of the day, it was a hard season. It was very emotional for me because I look at myself as somebody who I just want to get a lot. along with everybody. I want to make sure

everybody is cool and having a good time because as somebody who's in a hospitality industry, you, that's your job, right? You want to make, I've been a bartender for,

shit, I've been in this industry for 30 years in March, March, April, whatever, doesn't matter, 30 years. The majority of that

front of the house, the job is to make sure people are okay and having a good time. And that's how, live my life like when we have parties or we're in an event you're having a good time what can i give for you whatever and see that to be taking advantage of it's it's tough so but like i said at the beginning of this um at the reunion i spoke my piece i said what i had to say the people that needed

to hear it i feel that everybody heard it felt it and i feel good about it about it at the end of the day. So the long answer is that I feel good. I'm okay at this point. The majority of the season sucked, but I spoke my piece and I'm good. And, you know, if they ask us back for season eight,

I'm sure we'll be there. Well, we certainly hope that you'll be there because we enjoyed you both all season. But thank you for coming out. You got anything else? No, no, good to go. Thanks for coming out. This is great.

Yeah. I enjoy it. I know I got a little in there. It's just so. You know that's part of podcasting though. It is. I mean, it's just, this season was just, it was a lot. Like, like I signed up for this to have fun.

You have to expect at some point, you know, it's just your turn to be in the mess. Yep. But there are certain things that just have to be off limit. like it's like you just can't make shit up that's just going to be detrimental to someone like I said I lost probably 30 40 grand this year

in income because of clients who were like you know we nothing personal we just you know we don't want to be a sociable a lot of the clients I work with are majority women own businesses like virtual

stuff like people just don't want to get involved they don't think about how much you could have put into a rental property with that money seriously you could have redone somebody's house you're renovated someone else's house shit right mea you want to render his joint put another 60 gs in my shit now get the yeah we could do this all night but uh chris thank you for driving up thanks for coming out uh this was awesome i hope you said everything you wanted to say and uh hope you guys enjoyed it at home I'm sure we'll do this again. Oh, yeah, YouTube, right.

YouTube. Hey, hey. And I got a- Nice to check in, remember that you're there? Yeah, I always forget. I always forget. But remember to give us a follow on Instagram, follow us on Twitter and TikTok and subscribe on YouTube.

I can always remember that one. You got it. All the things. Yeah, all the things. All those things. All those things that people talk shit about us on. Follow us on those. But Chris, thanks for coming out, bro.

Shoots, you got anything else? Nope. Good to go. Thanks, Chris. All right, thanks, Chris. Thank you guys. We'll see you guys later. Bye.

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