Bros & Shows - Colton Takes a Big Swing (Traitors s4 ep4 Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

Whats up Bros? The Traitors are doing a fantastic job and the faithful have no idea who to point to. Colton has his eyes set on Tiffany and he whips votes all day long to garner support. Meanwhile the traitors are laying low and flying under the radar. The challenge leaves a lot of players unshielded and also has Monet X Change commenting on Rinna... to Candiace... Who gets voted out? Who is on the chopping block for murrrrder? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why are we listening to Colton so much? Why has he become the ringleader despite being wrong the majority of the time? I think maybe because it seems like, although I will say these episodes, it seems like other people are getting involved in having suspects in their line. But I don't know because I talked myself into him being such an aggressive, faithful, that it actually kind of protects him in a very weird way. and I don't know, but I hate the way he's going about it. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.

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Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always. by for Duder Magoutor what's up,

dude. What the hell is that? Friday. Friday for Duder. Where's the Scottish? I doter. Oh, right,

it's traitors. Shoot her Magoutur. How you doing? Now, I don't even think I can do the rest of the episode. I have no idea what you want for me. Sorry,

I'm so thrown off. I'll just for, I'll just force in a bunch of Scottish stuff this episode to make up for it. that doesn't make up for it but yeah okay um i yeah i think this is the end of the double drops they they they trickle it in triple drop double drop three to one got uh yeah we've got uh two episodes to cover today we'll probably end up splitting these bad boys up uh and we will try to do our best to not spoil things from episode five and episode four but i can't guarantee

that i just can't guys we'll try one for me i spent two hours straight watching this show it all bleeds together so many things going on so many things to keep track of i will say though and we talked before we did the show this is just such a better season it's just so much better of a game there's better gameplay there's more cohesive like thoughts at least you know obviously a big focus on these two episodes is uh the stupid thoughts that are being presented to everybody but i love it because like such a big part of this game is we get the secret trader out of the way where, you know, we're playing the game alongside them. No, we're not actually because now we still know who all the traders left are.

But watching people just circle around and around and they've got so many theories and they think that they're locked in and they're just so totally wrong for somebody in these episodes to just go oh for three. And we've watched two people go oh for three. You've got Tiffany and Ron. Here are my suspects. Boom, boom, boom. None of them. Just none of them are even right.

Like you guys aren't even locked on. We finally got to a point where someone may have even mentioned that they might have a suspect in line, but they don't have anything to go off of. And it is a trader. But that's the closest we've gotten to actually. And Donna Kelsey doesn't really count. We talked about her last week that nobody's even close to getting a trader. No, like the suspicions that we're getting.

And I think that leaks into the next episode. So I'll tread lightly here. But yeah, that kind of pops up out of left field when we actually are on to some. somebody that's actually a traitor. I feel like the secret trader, I do believe by unveiling that as early as they did because they don't know that Donna was the secret trader, right? They just know she was a traitor. So they're looking in the complete wrong direction because Donna didn't align with the current

traders at all. So now they're on this wild goose hunt and they're doing a really bad job, but they're doing a really good job of convincing themselves they're right. Are they silly geese? Yeah, they're a bunch of silly geese right now, which the traders have them right where they want them. It's masterful gameplay from the traders.

I think that Donna gets a big assist here without intentionally doing much because of how much it's thrown people. They're looking right. They should be looking left. And you've got the three traders over there that complement each other so well in their personalities and how they're playing the game. You got Candace speaking up. You got Rob stepping up in the missions, and you got Rinnah kind of just riding neutral.

You know, she's having a couple moments here and there. She's close with a lot of people, but she's not making waves. So you have all three things covered. Eventually, your luck's going to run out, and we're seeing that potentially turn now. But it's all depending on one dude. And that's Colton, who's driving this ship, regardless of what's happening. And it's getting so annoying and like just listening to him be so steadfast, so certain on everything without any real evidence is very annoying. And then patting himself on the back for it, he's congratulating himself before he does anything.

You got Donna. But we're giving a lot of credit as faithfuls. They're giving a lot of credit to Colton on the Donna thing. Let's not forget everybody. You all thought it was Donna. that wasn't Colton driving that one forward. That was all of you. You were all suspicious.

We at home were suspicious. So you're giving him the credit there and now we're all leaning on this guy to lead the way. But he's been wrong more than he's been right. So why are we putting so much emphasis on this dickhead? So I think there's a couple of things at play here. I think one, nobody really has any clue. And it feels like we've gotten to the point where people are like, Ron, who was so steadfast in I heard Porsche say this, which I'm surprised that he hasn't said

that. Like, what do you want me to do? He is getting like, bullied, I would say more than anyone on this show that I've seen in the past that doesn't really deserve it. He went out on a limb. And he went out on a limb because he heard Porsche say something. And you guys had nothing. Like that round table was fruitless.

You guys didn't bring any evidence. He came forward and said, look, she might be misspeaking, but it's just kind of weird. she said it three times. And that's Portia Miss speaking. But that's all you guys had to go off of. And then when he was wrong, it's like, oh, he's got to be a traitor. One, you guys aren't that smart because a traitor wouldn't do that. Even the traders that don't really know what they're doing, they don't go that far.

Like, it seems like all of their reasoning for going after people and assuming that they're a traitor is because they assume that they're being a bad traitor when in reality they're being bad faithfuls. And I don't even think Ron's being a bad faithful. He's just isolated himself because people now think. think he's a traitor and he's like, what do you want me to do? Like, I'm in this weird gray area where the traders aren't going to get rid of me because they know that I'm bait. And then the other faithfuls are trying to get rid of me, but they can't because they get derailed every time. Well, who's derailing?

Well, it must be Michael. Let's go after Michael. Michael's getting a ton of votes every single roundtable and he's not doing a good job defending himself. He's not a traitor. Like I don't understand what goes through these people's psyches and I've been trying to figure it out because they do have the official podcast with Bob the Drag Queen and Boston Rob talking about it and bringing people in. I love that. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's on Peacock. You should watch it. And they do two episodes at a time, which is great. They did all three at one point. It's only like an hour long. They did a great job. But they have the people that are cast aside or the people that are murdered on the podcast to try to talk about it. And at first, I'm like, okay, maybe there's just like a lot that we're

not seeing and there's a lot going on behind closed doors. And I do think with Michael there is, because you can tell how fed up everybody is with him they just don't want to even talk to them anymore but with the others it's like you guys really don't have a fucking clue do you and they don't they truly do not so if you're somebody like ron stepping forward and saying hey i think it's this person and then they're a faithful and you're now out on an island by yourself the same thing should happen to colton if colton's wrong and he's got this false confidence because he got donna kelsey out when everybody else thought it too if he's wrong and he's like i wouldn't in this episode he's like i want to take a big swing I got to take a big swing right now.

Like, this is what I want to do. If he's wrong, he should get the same treatment as wrong. But he somehow doesn't. And it's very bizarre to me. And he's got this false confidence because no one else is willing to speak up because they see Ron. Like Ron is an example set forward where they're like, if I speak up about something, I could be in the same position as Ron and I really don't want to. So I'm just going to escape by and listen to what everybody's saying.

There's a lot of listening at these roundtables. And it's not doing the many favors, but it's doing the traders a lot of favor. Yeah, the traders are sitting pretty. They're not worried about anything with the current traitor hunt that's going on. Nobody's on to them. Nobody's even suspecting them. They haven't even come up in conversation. The only thing we've actually seen is people getting cozy with Candace saying, I trust you,

I trust you. I think I just jumped the gun, but who cares? But anyway, let's dive into this episode a little bit more. And at the breakfast table, we're all just deliberating. And as the people that come back from the trees that we're talking about, tied up. This is a good strategy. Tell us what happened. Okay, we've got the baseline here from Ron. Great. Who else was tied to the tree? All right. We're going to use that to question what they did. Make sure everything lines up. I was nervous for Renna because the sip of tea,

I was like, ooh, and then she kind of um, um, umed her way through that whole thing. But I think she actually, by mentioning the axe, somehow flipped everyone's suspicion back. to Ron. They're like, well, he didn't mention that. It's like, what?

Guys, we're, we're thinking too deep into shit right now because we're so rattled, because we can't get a handle on things. And with Ron, I feel like he's got so much speculation because like you said, he's out on an island.

He's isolated. He would do himself some favors, and it might be too late now, to just be a little more communicative, like talking to some more people. I get what he's doing. And he seems like an introverted fella. So it's probably not.

his strong suit to talk to new people. And when he feels like everyone's coming after him, I would probably shut down too. So I get where he's playing from. But I think what we're seeing now with our faithfuls, because it's such a shit show, they are now acting in bad faith. You're seeing a lot of faithfuls moving in ways

that's going to hinder the faithfuls because they're in such a tizzy trying to figure out what the hell's going on. Yeah, I feel like there's a few. people that are stepping up in a good way, they're kind of bringing, you know, just two, three people at a time together, just trying to explain where they're thinking and what they're thinking, you know, I heard somebody say this. Like, that's the way to do it. It's not, let me just grandstand in front of the entire group and say who I think is a traitor because that's what Ron did.

And Ron waits for those round tables and then he goes after someone. It's like, okay, you didn't bring anybody into the fold. And that's bad faithfulism. The way to do it. it is something like what Kristen does. Not even what Colton does because Colton Colton does that in segments. He'll bring people along and he'll have a whole group around him and he'll be like, hey, I think it's this person. I think it's this person.

I'm going to go after this person. No, no, no. We all need to go for this person. You need to go. You need to go. And again, that's the combination of false bravado because he got Donna Kelsey out and because no one else is doing anything. Like no one else is willing to speak up because they're so afraid

that someone's going to turn on them, except for Candice, but even the way that Candace goes about it at these roundtables, she's not really doing a whole lot. It's really just leaning on the fact that Ron is a scapego. If I just lean towards Ron because we've wanted to get him out and he continues to get votes, if I just sit there and say, look, Ron, like, nothing has really changed, mostly because nobody's giving us good evidence elsewhere, I'm just going to stay on you until you go. Then you can fall back on, we have to get rid of them to get him out of the way. Once we get you out of the way, I'm sorry if you're not a traitor, but then we can at least move forward.

And we're still stuck here until you go somewhere. That's good game play by Candace because it's not bringing attention to her. She's not deviating. She's not randomly just suggesting people like we saw last season where it's like, what are you guys doing? There's no cohesiveness. It just seems like the way that she's going about is so much smarter than everybody else. And we're starting to see that, but I'm worried that it's more like if you're a faithful

fan and you don't want the traders to win and you hope that like some of these faithfuls can come together, I'm worried that it's more of a panic move where it's like shit. We've gone through like four days here. We got Donnell, but since then it's been crickets. Nobody's doing anything. They murdered in plain sight. We didn't get any evidence from the trees. We've got nothing to go off of.

Let me just throw a name out there with a couple of people. So I feel like that's kind of the realm that we're working in right now. But sitting at that breakfast table talking about the trees, it's just so funny. I love when they do this. What did you think about that gold mask? Huh? Gold mask? It was a black mask.

His mask was black. God, you're right. And it's like so close. You're basing, it's just very funny. You're basing that off of what Ron said. And you think Ron is a traitor. So you think maybe he's throwing you off the set, but he's also right. You're using that as absolute fact.

It doesn't make any sense. The way that they're operating makes no sense whatsoever. I was worried too. And I do think it was slightly editing. But Rina took a little longer to answer. It brings up the axe. It's like, well, Ron didn't mention the axe. is it Ron?

Ron must be a traitor. It's like, no, go back to Reno. But then they didn't nearly press Kristen or Eric as much as they pressed Reno. Once Reno went through everything, they're like, okay, yeah, what did you guys think about what happened? And they're like, yeah, it was crazy.

There was a guy who tied us up to a tree. I don't know. I heard some things. And Ron's going off of footsteps. You've got Eric who's like, I heard a laugh. You guys are really scrambling. Well, I think Eric and Kristen can be written off as faithful. Like, I don't think that they have given any

to make anyone suspicious. And I think that a good way to play this game. And like, I think it's important to state that yes, we both speak from a place of like, yeah, we would do this. I would do it.

Who the fuck knows if we were actually in this castle? Like, I would like to think, I know you, but I would like to think that I would do these things. I have no idea in the moment. I hope I would. But anyway,

with those two, I feel like, and I feel like a good strategy, is you kind of have to eliminate people, whether you want to or not. I think that you're either going to be right or you're going to be wrong. But if you leave the spectrum open and don't cross anybody off, you're just going to throw darts at the wall. So I think that by whittling those two

out, there's no reason to add them to your potential list yet. It makes it easier. And I think that subconsciously, they're probably feeling with Rina some of the things that are said about or later. That might be in the next episode. But if you look at Rina's gameplay, yeah, you can see some flaws just ever so slightly if you wanted to look close enough. People aren't looking closely at her because she is doing overall a good job. I think that's the thing that escapes a lot of people. You watch this one, we're watching it on TV.

We're watching what the producers and the editors want us to see. We're watching how the traders are moving. You also know who the traders are. So yeah, it's easier said than done. But they're still, I'm not counting and I haven't counted pretty much since we started, but there's still like 15 fucking people left.

So I'm not even putting it on them to be like, why do you not see that Rinna is doing this? Like, Rinna is a very loud personality. She's not talking up at the roundtable. Why is she doing that? When she was the one who co-signed the Congo line and she started screaming, it's like, why are you doing this here, but not that there? You don't really understand what's going on because they're looking in so many different directions.

That's why the traders are doing such a good job. They're flying so far under the radar that no one's looking in their direction. They're just kind of looking in different directions until Colton speaks up. And it's like, well, I mean, if he's going to put himself out there, we can just co-sign what he's saying. And then we're still not in trouble. Like I'm not a threat and I'm not going to be somebody that they're going to get out of the round table if I just say Colton made a compelling argument because it'll just spill back over to Colton. Yeah, well, you would think, but it doesn't, which is that's been the interesting part. It's like waiting for the fallout to happen and it doesn't. He somehow sidesteps it every time.

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just based on Numbies alone. But it's not a bad move by any means. And we break from the table to deliberate. Again, confused because everybody but Colton that is steadfast on somebody, right, Tiffany, for example, who is a very good faithful, in my opinion, Tiffany has her list, Jam Jam, Ram, Ron, Michael. Okay, Michael, Michael, yeah, she's 0 for three, but Michael and Ron have been up for discussion frequently. They've been voted on frequently. It's not this thing out of left field.

A lot of people still believe Ron is a traitor despite not voting him out. But they're holding her to some level that they're not holding a Colton who is doing this same thing. He's steadfast in his approach. It's got to be Tiffany. I'm going for Tiffany. I'm taking a big swing tonight. And maybe it's the verbiage that he uses. Maybe because he's like, I'm going to take him, I'm going to go for it. Sure. And I'm not going to sit here and say he's playing a bad game just because I think he's a piece of shit because it's working in his favor. I'm just trying to understand why and maybe being there would would clear that up. Maybe it's people not wanting to put themselves out there. So like you said,

they want to just hitch their wagon to somebody that's confident in a Colton. But I'm confused why when Tiffany is making bold claims, it could be one of these three. And we've talked about two of those three frequently. But when Colton goes, it's got to be her. She laid that out like a traitor. What? What does that mean? That would be terrible traitor gameplay. And I feel like that's sort of the theme that's going on here. They're holding people accountable for the things that they're saying and saying only a traitor would say that.

It's like, no, a terrible trader would say that. And by the way, the way that bad traitorism works is pretty much what Donna Kelsey was doing. She wasn't mixing it up. She wasn't talking to anybody. She wasn't just flying under the radar. She was standing out on an island by herself and somewhat with Ron, but she didn't really make any other connections. That's bad traitorism.

that traitorism isn't going to a whole group of people and being like, hey, I think it's this person, this person, and this person. That would be terrible. That would, yeah, that's being a faithful, but that would be terrible traitorism. And I do think the verbiage is important because the way that Colton does things where he says, you know, I'm going to take a big swing, but also the way that Tiffany says things, where she says, I think it's Jam, Jam, I think it's Michael and I think it's Ron. Instead, you could twist that a little bit and just say,

we have to get Michael and Ron out of the way. I really think that it might be Jam, Jam. but there's just not compelling evidence. I just feel it. It's just vibes, whatever it might be. But we're still so focused and split on Michael and Ron. We have to get them out regardless. And if they're not a trader, then at least we have one last person to look at.

Like if she spun it that way, it's like, okay, that makes sense. That's good faithfulism because you're looking for at the very least, bad faithfuls or just people who are taking attention away from the actual traders. You have to get them out of the way. We say that now this is the second season. It just makes sense that way. They're just distractions. Get the distractions.

out regardless of whether you think they're like that because you can also do that without feeling shitty or without drawing negative attention if you go to the table and say look if you're not a traitor you're fucking up our game regardless get out what they did with somebody later it's like yes that's a great move because you can blame it there's no wrong answer if you if you whiff it's not a traitor doesn't matter he's fucking your game up get him the hell out of yeah no that's the way to approach it and i feel like if you're not approaching it that way and if you are steadfast and saying, I know this person's a traitor, which a lot of them are doing, which is bizarre.

But they've all been wrong. So why are we leaning on those people that are so, that's my whole point. Because no one else. Now she's a traitor. Yeah, because no one else has any idea who it might be. Like aside from if we've removed the people that are just continuing to say Ron and Michael, the only people that are going out on a limb and saying, I definitely know that this person's a traitor.

Even Colton's not really saying, I definitely know she's a traitor. He's just saying I'm taking a big swing because I think she's, He's a really good gamer. And I think that she's twisting things and the way that she says things makes sense for a traitor. It's like, okay, your logic is entirely flawed. You're a fucking idiot. By the way, when you say things like, shoot or shoot. And if I miss, I'm just going to get right back up and shoot again.

That's how you get a restraining order. That's what happens. That's exactly why you are where you are in your life. I don't care about anything else. That's what happens. That tells me everything I need to know about you. But at least he's leaving some benefit of the doubt. the other people who are so fucking locked in and telling other people,

I know this person's a traitor. If they're not a traitor, you've got a target on your back. So it's a weird way to play the game. Don't, though. That's why I'm getting scult. I'm not saying. Well, no, Tiffany says that.

And I know Tiffany says that immediately. Ron has said that, but Ron's not going to get, like, Ron's either going to get voted out at a roundtable or he's going to be there the entire time by himself. There's nothing in between. He's never going to get murdered. I think he's in a better spot than he thinks.

I think we're one. He is because they'll just. Keep him until yet. Yeah, we're one good murder away or one vote out away from, and I know it doesn't feel that way, but I think we are from Ron being exonerated. I think we're one move away from people being like, oh, fuck, I don't think it's Ron anymore. And if they can get to that point, the traders are going to keep them just because the suspicion has been so high for so long. Yeah.

I think they would. So if he can, I think he's got to survive like two more days. I think he might be sitting pretty for a little while. he's and by the way he's probably playing the game better than most of them i know he doesn't have any alliances he's in a he's in a bad spot where he can't really get alliances it seems like his personality is not there to make alliances as it is but also he's sitting and listening and watching and just doing a lot of random things i i have more faith that within the next two days if he can last he's going to lock in on one of the three remaining i think so whether people

listen to him or not i don't know but we'll have to see how it plays out and i i i feel like if he if he locks in on a candace he's going to lose that battle i just feel like he's going to lose that battle but if he locks in on say a rob or a lisa rina i think he can get enough where it's like okay you know what we haven't even looked at these people that's a really good point we're like we got donna kelsey but that was random the rest of the time like we're shooting ofer right now at least let's look at the people that we're not really looking at and if ron's going to be the one i don't know if this person ends up being a faithful and we send them home then just kick Ron out right away.

You just go into that next round table. It's like, dude, you're 0 for two. You don't even want to be here anymore. I don't know what you want from us. You got to go. You're a distraction. That's the way to do it. And if he can somehow get one of those traders,

I think he can last for a while. I agree. Yeah. If he can get a trader, I think that he's going to be good for a while because then the targets off his back. Yeah. It's just going to,

it's a matter of time. Does he have enough time to get to that point? Because I also think if somebody gets keyed up on Rob, I think he falls quickly because he's been so under the radar because you can look back at his gameplay and be like, oh, maybe he was doing the missions like he was because he wanted to garner favor with everybody in the faithfuls. Yeah. I think that because we haven't, you know, obviously at some point, Rappaport mentions the hunks,

which isn't spoiling anything. But by mentioning the hunks, I was like, ooh, maybe this will get somebody because we haven't talked about Rob. Rob has done a fantastic job. He's too hot. It's too hot. Look, I would agree. I mean, he's a very handsome fellow. You can't deny it. So there's just something in the way that he's playing this game. It's masterful. But I also feel like he's walking on hollowed ground. I think that he not from anything he's doing, but I think because he's such an attractive person, I also think that if they key up on him, I'm like, wait, they're going to dig in. into it further, but they just haven't gotten there.

Yeah, eventually. That's the other thing I want to bring up. That comes out. When you start to dwindle the numbers and there's less people to look at, that's the type of stuff that's going to add up. It's like, wait a minute, there's only seven of us left. There's eight of us left. We haven't even looked at Rob.

Let's look deeper into that. How's he been moving? Because a lot of the things that they're using right now where it's like you're not really making connections. Rob's not really making connections, but they think because he's just such a strong guy that this is what he does. This is just normally who he is. it is, but also it works really well for the traders. So if you're going to look at a Ron and say,

you have no connections and you're not trying to talk to anybody about gameplay, you're just kind of keeping everything internally. And Ron is gone and there's only seven or eight people left. You might look at somebody like Rob and say, you're doing the same thing that Rob was doing and we got him out of here, but now we're not talking about you. So it's very random too. I just think that the way that the traders are playing, there's such a cohesive unit. When they discuss who they're going to murder and we even see that when Caroline goes home, they're doing all of the things like you and I are sitting here talking about. It's like, okay, let's go through this.

Who are you going to send home? You've got Eric, Eric, who could be like completely unassuming or are we going to send home Caroline to throw them off the housewife set? I feel bad setting a housewife home, but we do have to sacrifice one of our own. Rinnett didn't. No, Renna was fucking awesome in that scene. I love that. So good.

So I'll get you back. Maybe at BravoCon. No, you won't. No, she said, I'll see you at BravoCon. She goes, no, you won't. I was like, I love the finality of this. You will see her a bravo con. But I love the finality in this moment.

No, bitch, you ain't going to see me at BravoCon. You're dead. You're dead. Back to you. By you go, Caroline. See ya. Bye. No, but that brings up an interesting point I wanted to ask you because I feel like because

they're doing so well, because they're moving so quietly and they have alluded all suspicion, do you think that there is a moment where they're going to have to figure out a way that one of them gets so much support for outing something or falling for something or doing something because we're going to get to a point like you just said where there's going to be seven, eight people left. They're going to look around the room and go, we've never, ever questioned Candace. Brenna popped up here and there. Rob, we haven't talked about Rob.

And all eyes are going to look at those three. So there is a turning point here where they're going to have to, they're going to have to set themselves up for success in the later round. I don't know how they do that, but they have to because all eyes are eventually going to fall on them. I think it will. And again, I do think that this is sort of that syndrome that you get when you know that they're traitors and you're like, wow, you guys haven't even talked about them. You could also add five, six people to that list where Eric puts himself out on a limb in this episode and it's like. Tara and Johnny, I guess, fit that. Tara and Johnny, like a lot of them fit that bill.

It's a good point. I think the only way to do that, which they started off really strong as faithfuls. We got to get this person out because at the very least it's a distraction. Like, we're well going to vote for Portia because we don't have a fucking clue. And at least Ron had some quote unquote evidence. We have to get her out of the way or else this is just going to keep happening. Then they kind of fell apart. They did that with Donna.

They got a traitor. Since then, it's been so split. And it just pretty much comes down to who says what at the roundtable. And now you're looking at somebody like Michael. Then you're looking at somebody like Tiffany. It's weird, though, because there's so many people that are like running the conversation. And yet you're going after the one person. And you're like, that just doesn't sound right.

And now you're a distraction. So it's very quick. It's very flippant to be like, you're a distraction versus you're helping us. And then you've got Colton and Candace over here who are like commanding the round table and trying to lead people in the right direction or the wrong direction. And you're like, okay, wow, thanks for your help. But if Michael steps up and says somebody, it's like, wow, you're really fucking annoying your distraction, which I agree. But he is a distraction. He's both of those things.

But is he doing much different than what Colton's doing. he's not speaking as eloquently he's not going after one person he seems like he's going after revenge for like jam jam or whatever that's yeah it's a different approach it's quite yeah but it's it's similar why it is but it's not in just the way he also is just such a dirt bag that it's hard to not want to fucking hate him you know but we're in the likeability arc right now where it's like i don't really like you and you're talking too much so you're but i'm okay with that if that widdles it down. You know what I mean? Like if we're playing favorites right now just to get these numbers down like totally fine. I just want my good game players because I agree. I think Ron is doing

a good job. I think that he's fighting an uphill battle every single day, but I think he's doing a good job. I thought Tiffany, although misdirected, I thought she was a formidable foe for the traitors. Obviously at this round table, she ends up getting whacked. But no spoilers, right? Like we knew that guys. No spoilers, guys. Just making sure. But yeah, I need people to put more faith in some of the faithfuls. I need some of the faithfuls that are the more intelligent ones to step up. I need Kristen to take a big step forward.

I need her to be commanding the room more because she has. She's starting to do. She's getting there, which I'm happy about. But like, I want to listen to the Christians, the Ron's. I want to listen to the Monet. for now. I want to, those are the people I'm looking at, not the Colton's because there's, he's too loud. And I, look, he's doing something correct because everyone's following suit. I'm just trying to understand or put myself in those shoes and be like, well, what, what would I be looking at? And

the hindsight train is tough with this one, obviously. But let's get to the mission before we get to the round table. Uh, and this was like the stab. in the chest of that big, this was cool. I love the sound. Made me think of Arc Raiders. Yeah. Did you watch to see who actually hit the target? Yeah, Rob.

Rob's the only one who actually. Everyone else like, everyone else went through the side. Yeah. Yeah. No. It was very pleasing to watch Rob do that. When he did it, yeah, I was like, of course. Of course it was Rob.

And there was pretty much, this was another weird one where obviously some shields are up for grabs, but it's very much so there's going to be 10 and 10. So I guess there's 20 people left. I don't know. I'm not going to. Or 18. But it's there. It just starts off once again.

There's no strategy. It's like, okay, let's go for this person. How about we go to this person? No, no. No, no. Number one was strategy.

It's wrong. Boop. Okay, cool. After that, it turns into a cluster fuck, which is fine. Yeah. It just cracks me up.

It's hilarious because it turns into a cluster fuck. Nobody's thinking of anything. really. And yet the people that get stabbed by the other person is like, oh, fuck you dude. It's like, guys, they got to pick somebody. Right. Yeah. It turns into complete or

everyone's just start stabbing people that stabbed them, which I get. But it's like the traders are running laps around you guys right now because you're not taking two seconds to deliberate. And hey, the four over there that are not on your team, they're on your team

dipshits. It's so funny that we get to these challenges. And it's like, oh, my little group of four. Yeah. Fuck everyone else. Like, no, no, no. You are working with. What?

How are we doing this? And the added wrinkle of yelling out their name before you do it is just so funny. So good. This was the closest I got to Rappaport actually being somewhat likable when he's screaming Tara, Tara, Tara over and over again as he runs back into the woods of like, you're such a fucking idiot. But it is so goddamn funny. Freedom. Yeah, that's pretty much what he's doing. And again, like, it just turns to revenge, which we've seen before. The closest they've gotten to any sort of like, okay, somewhat strategy was the boat where they're putting coffins in the grave because it's like, okay, let's team up. We're going to go after that boat. Let's get that entire boat. We'll make sure that they're up for murder because they're not with us and they're not talking to us right now. And then you see another boat flip and team up with that boat. So it at least protects them. And that's really what we're going for right now.

is just somewhat overall protection where it's like, I don't really want to be up for murder right now. Let me just do the best for me. This one was an absolute cluster fuck because it was just, who the hell just yelled my name? Oh, I'm going to get them. You're doing the same thing.

You're getting up there. Somebody hands you a spear. And the funniest was the end where it's like, I think it was Kristen, uh, damn, who was in her group. It was like Kristen and Rob and someone else.

And someone's like, Hey, Kristen, do you want to stab this? Like, fuck no. Absolutely not. I'm not doing this because I don't want to target on

my back for later, you could just pick somebody at random. Like, there's no really, like, there's no rhyme or reason to this. Again, all you're doing is opening them up so that the traders could potentially murder them tonight. So you're not supposed to be going after traders right now. Like, it doesn't make any sense unless you really suspect someone and you want to put them up there and that if they come into breakfast the next day, then you can be like, okay, I really thought that they were, like, maybe they are a traitor because they're not dead. That's one way to do it, but there's no discussion of that at all. It's very funny. Yeah, great. by the way, because it's still, we're in week two, right?

Yeah. So, like, we're also speaking from a place of, we know out, like a very small portion of these large group of people. So it makes it, like, I get that it makes it harder for us to like deliberate on exactly what should be going on. But at the same time, I love that part of this game because I know damn well, everyone goes into it, having watched it previously, saying exactly. what we're saying now. Like, oh, we got to strategize. We've got to work together, this and that.

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and he thinks ahead in saying, like, look, I know if I throw this out there as quote-unquote evidence, and I'm wrong, everyone's going to be coming after me. That's a great, great thought. But I wonder if it would have served. him a little bit to go up to one of the other three that were tied to that. Maybe. Like, hey, I thought I heard this.

What did you hear? Can we put things together before I make this claim? Because once I do, you can't reel it in and not for nothing, but you got the footsteps, Ron Mara, which no one's keyed in on Mara, nor should they be. It's a waste of time. And then you've got Eric, who is thinking that the footsteps, or sorry, the laugh was 100% that was it Tiffany he said he thought it was Tiffany yeah but my favorite trope of all time for this show in particular is when somebody goes to a confessional they're talking about like a piece of evidence

that they got like I'm going to play this really close to the chest I'm not telling anyone I'm going to sit here and I'm just going to watch this person now that I feel like I've identified that laugh it never lasts like the first opportunity that you get you immediately out yourself and start talking about who you think it is based on that suspicion you need more time to build that and I get the way that the round table broke. It's one thing. So then you kind of see people going after that person. Well, you had a chance.

He was the final decider with Tiffany by saying that you're putting the nail in the Yeah. And people were going after Ron as it was. And again, you do need to get rid of Ron. If you're going to keep talking about Ron in the roundtable, get rid of them because it's just taking up so much time because then you have to wait for his rebuttal and then you have to get back in. And then maybe somebody will just jump into the middle of the table and say, I think it's

this person. You'll have another discussion. but you only have a short amount of time to discuss from what I understand. The only other piece of evidence that we get or rather, you know, I guess suspicion is during that challenge while they're looking for the spears. Monet pulls Candace aside. And he's like, hey, I don't know, but is Lisa Rennie usually like this? Because she just seems very quiet. And you're a housewife.

You know her. I feel like she's very loud and boisterous. I don't really watch the shows. But it just seems very weird because when we go to a round table, she's just very quiet. And I don't really get it because all the other times that I've seen her, she's loud, she's out there. She's very outgoing.

She talks to everybody. But she gets to the round table and she's just like, hey, this is who I voted for. It's very weird. Don't you think that's weird, Candace? Yeah, I don't know. It's definitely something to look forward to. I don't know. Is there anyone else around here?

Anyone? No one without shouting distance? Cool. Okay. This is a great time. And again, that just goes to show you what we can get with a good group of traders. They're thinking about this. I talked to Monet earlier.

He said your name. Was anyone else there? Nope. Just said it to me. I can't promise you didn't say it to somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. And they weigh the options, you know?

And Rina being like, it's still worth it to go for it. I'm like, fuck, yeah, traders. Like that's just so good. But going back to Eric on his way home, like just kind of thinking about this, nobody seems to know anything. Colton's still on the Tiffany train. But again, that's what's going to happen. If you get one person that's like, hey, I'll lead.

one. I'll go after this person. We're going to start talking about this person. I'll show you everything at the roundtable, but we don't have anything else to go off of. And that's pretty much what we get at the roundtable. Exactly. I mean, Colton leads it off. And his phrasing, his phrasing gets under my skin. Because the traitor I'm going after tonight, it's as though this round table's for him. All right, everyone listen up. The trader that I will be going for tonight is Tiffany. Why in that moment is nobody like, what about him, though? He keeps doing this shit.

Like, it's astounding to me. I don't get why he's held to a different standard. And it has to do with how he's presenting it. And again, I can't knock him because it's working. So he's clearly playing a good game. He's leaning into this strategy. It is what it is. I just don't understand.

I don't know why he has such a command of the room. And he lays out the Tiffany stuff. Guys, everyone at this table, we've been talking about Ron. And this isn't alluding to, guys, you're on to something. It's more so, hey, let's have some conviction, folks. Let's have some goddamn backbones here. And let's go with your gut. Like Candace, who's a fucking traitor, by the way, but at least Candace is like, I said Ron, I'm sticking to Ron. I told you it's Ron. I'm going to go with Ron. Period. End of story. Everyone else is like, well, I was dead set on Ron, but then

Colton said something. And there's just something about him. There's something about him that I trust. So you know what? Yeah. Yeah. Fuck you, David. Tiffany. Guy, oh, wait, hold on. Tiffany's an ally. Tiffany's somebody that I think you need if you're going to win this game. Sure, she's on the wrong three right now, but you are all on the wrong three. So that doesn't really matter.

She is doing a good job playing this game. You want Tiffany's. We don't need to get rid of Tiffany's if we're going to win. But sure enough, Eric with the clue, he brings up the laugh. And then he slam dunks it with the, I felt bad for him. I'm a musician, guys. I spend 40 minutes on the same note. I'm like, oh, no, but you're wrong.

No, you're really putting this forward now. You're really putting yourself out there, buddy. I know. And, you know, I think Candace is good in leaning back always into the Porsche of it all. Just go back to that. It's easy. Everyone's thinking it. No one's going to look at you.

It gets another faithful out of the way. The only question mark for me is now a lot of people are talking about Ron. I know it gets suspicion off the traders if you vote along with everybody else. But at the same time, we're really, really going to need this distraction, especially with what plays out later on. So I wonder if they're going to try to do something to pivot away from Ron to make sure that he sticks around a little bit longer. Because if he gets an alliance like that, I'm starting to think that. What if they go to him and they take that gamble and they go, hey, we need an ally. and they tap Ron.

I don't know if that's going to happen after. He's out on an island. He's a solo. Yeah, but the exchange between him and Durinda was enough to be like, all right, maybe I won't go talk to you about anything. That was so funny. That's next episode.

That was, I laughed. Yeah, it was very funny. But I mean, Candice, and she said as much, she's like, look, I don't want Tiffany out yet.

I don't think this is a time. I think, and, you know, she uses the whole, I know she's a single mother and she's going there. But like, Candice, you're still trying to win the game.

So she's not going to get any money anyway. I don't understand that thinking. But I understand and I align with her way of thinking nobody's on Tiffany right now necessarily, except for Colton. There's no reason to do this. And again, you're not drawing any attention to yourself by going back to Ron. By immediately saying, I'm still going to vote for Ron. I don't really get this. But she's not speaking up on Tiffany's behalf because that would be all so bad.

Maybe it wouldn't actually. If she spoke out on Tiffany's behalf or she's like, I don't really think there's anything here. Yeah. Then it's like, what the fuck are you guys doing? and then you can point at Colton. Because if you are worried, because the way that Colton's doing, it's just scattershot, he just wakes up in the morning and he's like, ah, I'm going to go after this person today and we'll just see how it goes. Eventually, he is going to be right.

And he's starting to turn to like, I guess some of his suspicion towards the other people and he's starting to kind of key in on a traitor. But who knows if he's actually going to go through with it. But the way that he's operating, it's like, okay, this is just dangerous because he's not really working from an evidence-based standpoint. he's just waking up in the morning and saying, I think this person's a traitor and people are voting. So at some point, he's going to be right and then he's going to get more empowered and then he's going to continue to go. So I don't really want that.

They should try to get him out immediately, not just for my own viewing pleasure, but also because there is a chance that he gets up the next day and he's like, I think it's Lisa Ritter and it goes after Lisa Ritter. So I agree with that. If you can deflect back and I hope that this is where they go with like a Candace, you know, Rob subtly doing it, Lisa is subtly doing it, where you look at Colton. Colton, you got Tiffany out.

You went all after her, and it made no sense. It came out of the way. You rallied all of us to do it too. You've got too much power, and you were wrong. Yeah, you got Donna out, but we all got Donnell. You might be the next to go because that's bad faithfulism. Everyone else is starting to wake up a little bit, but for him to be that aggressive, it is dangerous to the traders, but it's also dangerous to the faithful, so you have to get them out.

That's what you would think. That's what I thought, at least. at home watching this, but yeah. Tiffany gets whacked, group stunned. Again, you lost a really good faithful, I think. I think that she was a big piece if you guys were going to ever solve this puzzle. So Tiffany's gone. And now we're deliberating, you know, groups deflated.

We're talking. And the ringleader finally comes up. Well, there's a lot of ringleaders in here. There is two. Candace and Colton. One of these ringleaders is staying within the realm of the rest of. of the group. The other one is the one that's throwing shots against the wall, hoping one sticks. So Colton, people start to ever so slightly look at him. And then we get this raw, raw bullshit from Colton.

I played football for 17 years and I'm going to be bold and keep being bold. Shooter. Like he pulled every douchey trope that athletes say in a five minute window. They give shooters. He gives shooters everywhere a really bad name. Yeah, you want to change your name? Should we go back to your government name after that? No, we can't do that. Well, this is the moment. Okay, I didn't jump the gun. That Rappaport keys in on the hunks.

One of those three hunks are a traitor. Rob, Stephen, or Colton, his reasoning is his insecurity, which is even funnier. He's just too swaggered out. Just because you look, somebody said, Seth said you read a comment, that Rappaport looks like he's inside out. Oh, that's great. I saw that he looks like the creature from the substance. That's a good one, too.

I still stick with mine. And he looks like the embodiment of the clap. But we get to the Traders Tower. Candace is upset because Tiffany got voted out, which is on their end actually good because she is a very smart game player. So to get her out of the way, you've actually whittled down all of the gamers now, which is astounding. Yeah.

And you didn't have to waste a murder and not necessarily waste a murder, but you didn't have to draw any more attention to the housewives to the reality stars by getting rid of another gamer. They did it for themselves. Yeah. You whacked Stanberry with no. repercussions. Nobody, nobody's looking your way. Then you got the gamers out without having to do a whole lot. That was just the group. So they're sitting in a really good position, but now they got

to think of their next murder. In my mind, we got to go innocuous. You've got to go with somebody random, somebody that's not doing a whole lot. Unfortunately, for one person, and this will go right into our next episode. One thing happened during this episode that you just, you have to get one person out. Unfortunately for everybody,

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