Bros & Shows - "Cool" Bronwyn & Classic Whitney (RHOSLC Full Recap S7E4)

Episode Date: October 9, 2026

What's up bros?? There's a monster on the loose and we don't know what this monster has on the rest of the group because she's a proven liar but somehow she has power and we're against it! Bronwyn has somehow gone from wacky inflatable outfits to running the "cool" kids and we don't get it. Can someone explain it to us? Maybe, just maybe we're heading toward activating the Lisa/Meredith duo and we'll get a fun takedown that'll level the playing field but for now, we're left guessing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Whatever lies ahead, don't change your morning. Let your morning change you. Discover coffee plus on espresso.com. So four episodes in, and I like Kwi and Whitney, she's out of chances. You are, she's done. Whitney's out of chances. It's ludicrous at this point. But overall, enjoying this season.

I thought it was a solid app. And, yeah, Quay has definitely grown on me. I think we don't have to worry about people telling us that we have to be nice to Whitney because she's going through a divorce. I don't think anybody cares. I think it's okay. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a...

I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host,

Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter-vibe-gooder. I don't know about that one. It was either that or shooter, Dill Gooter, so make your pick. Yeah. I'd like the Dill one better because if I could be something else. Damn, that would have been better.

That probably would have worked a little bit better. We'll see a Dill, though, again, I can use that joke at some point. I, in a weird way, I need this season to speed up a little bit and not for any of the reasons that you might think. There's one particular thing that I need. need the season to speed up for it. And it is to get different confessional looks. And for one person in particular, because it scares me every fucking time, every time Angie's on with her confessional, she looks like she's going to attend the black parade. She looks like my father once told me.

There was a young boy. And then you look at her face and you're like, what the fuck's going on with your eyes? You scare the shit out of me. I don't know what she's colored contacts. I'm aware. I know what, yes, she definitely is. Yeah. And it looks bizarre. But it's even funnier. especially in this episode, because she's clowning other people for what they wear. And then you go over there and it's like, all right, Gerard Way.

I don't, what are you doing? Exactly. I don't know. I mean, I don't like to talk about looks and stuff like that. But since this is a choice, this is a choice that she has made.

I think we're allowed to comment on it. I agree. And I'm actually, that's what I was doing. I was looking through my phone because I checked questions before we started. And I'm going to jump the gun here because somebody asks something in reference to that. and I thought it was kind of funny.

So, hold on, let me find it. This is like a first. Starting off. This is a first. So whoever this is, you should feel very honored because,

yeah, we don't, we don't do this. And I was looking at the wrong show. Here we go. Ben, you lost it. Casey Danzig.

Whose face is Angie wearing in her confessional? Am I crazy? It is October. So like, I guess I'd give her that, but it's not like she filmed it in October. So I don't know what the hell is not an October.

Halloween thing that she's doing. This is like a choice that she has made. But you know what's funny is they, like we've kind of gone through it too from first episode to fourth episode. Maybe not as much the first episode. There was a lot going on that didn't really have to do with the group. But episodes two, three and four. We have had different takes on Meredith's wig situation.

At first, I'm like, all right, they're all kind of making jokes. So maybe it's okay. They're making so many jokes now. We're like, leave it alone. I know. I don't know what's going. Like the comments on everybody's low. looks like their clothing is okay um like make fun of what they're wearing like that's obviously

very housewives but now they're starting to get to like lips and eyes it's getting sloppy it's too much yeah i think hair and clothing is fine like obviously you know talking about brittany's hair is on the table after last season clothing is always on the table but we're doing too much of the body stuff it it's distasteful i'm not into it i don't like it let's move on for that yeah we're kind tiptoeing towards dangerous territory where something's going to be said that's like way far past. As of right now, it's just been little things, but I agree.

One, I think it's mean. There's no reason to, but two, it's fucking lazy. It's lazy and I don't care for it. Okay, put more effort into your digs, put more effort into trying to take somebody down, do some homework, be clever, don't just throw out a body shame thing. How blah of you

to say something like that? You know, I just, I don't fuck with that either. No. This, I thought this was a fun episode, like overall. And I think that that's kind of turned into my barometer for Housewives, given this, we've had a very interesting year with Housewives franchises. And I think that we are starting to feel some fun come back into these franchises. That's what I'm looking at.

Am I enjoying the episode? Is it a good time? And yeah, I did. We have a big problem, though. We have a very big Whitney problem. This show, I think. is wildly different if Whitney Wild Rose is not on it. I don't know if she is, it's just the same thing all the time.

And I weirdly saw some people defending her in our questions, which is baffling to me. This entire quiet situation that we're going to talk about for the majority of this episode, is 1,000% Whitney's fault. All of this disarray early on in the season when I don't like this array this early on. I like us to be cohesive to like episode five or six. this is Whitney centric because she hit she has hit every single Whitney trope in four fucking episodes to start a season that's unheard of that's baffling to me yeah maybe that's what she meant when she said she was going to get back on track it's like I need to start doing my daily rituals again so I need to really check all the boxes and she's just never been this efficient before I actually I mean I don't really have as much of a problem with Whitney like I look we can say she's definitely burning that bridge to hell between her and Quai's family.

If she wants any connection to them with everything they've gone through and everything that seems like they've gone through his friends leading up to it. And this isn't the first time that a housewife has brought on. And I'm not convinced that Brittany's the one who brought Quai on. But it's not the first time a housewife has had a friend on the show and immediately flipped the script and started going after them because they know what's going to make it hurt and they know certain stories or whatever it might be. But that's Whitney.

like that's her cross the bear I don't really care some of it's actually kind of entertaining because you know that's how it's going and you can tell in Kwai's eyes it's like fuck you like what is all this coming from so she's actually going to get closer to Meredith and Lisa which I think is a better fit for her anyway I do too instead of being close to Whitney and being

wishy-washy like yeah I thought it was going to last a little bit longer I thought Kaui was going to try to warm up to the group but when you go through the group I mean the way that things happened yes Whitney started the whole thing she stirred the pot she got involved and told stories but it seems like Heather Bronwyn and Angie are ready to just like take it to hell immediately.

They just met with I don't understand that. And that's getting very tired for me. And I think more than anything, I can't really say we have a Whitney problem because Bronwyn's right there. I mean, we have a massive Bronwyn monster problem. A big problem. She's a big fucking problem for the show.

And I've never really been on board necessarily. Some housewives here and there where like storylines get out of whack. We need a huge take. down Brahman season. I don't care if she's going through a divorce. We don't even know what the hell's going on. She's probably lying about it. But when you start to piece together all the lies that she's told about the last couple of years, yeah, she's probably lying about a lot of shit. She needs to be absolutely taken down. And it seems like the wrong people are doing it now, obviously seems from next week. I like to see an activated Meredith. It looks like she's going to use

her DJ skills to go after them. And it pisses Brahmin off right away. That's another issue. You need to be able to roll with the punches. You can't be this person, this cool Bronwyn, and then immediately get offended when people are coming after you. Like, no, you might not be able to handle it. So that's going to be interesting to watch. I think that she needs to get out of the way. It's just a little too much right now. And she's,

everything has gone to her head. She seems to think that she has so much power. She's sent her snowflake. She's got the first trip of the season. She's running everything. She's telling people where to go. It's too much. It is way too much.

And I'm very disheartened by the fact that, again, we talk about it all the time. Heather doesn't like Bronman. but she seemingly is somehow pretending to like her and back her up in some ways. I don't understand that either. And that's why the Heather book has not moved at all. I will say this. Like Heather,

for the majority of the episode was fine for me. Like towards the end, yeah, but even that gives me some hope because it wasn't the Heather of old where it's like, I'm going to dive head first into this and blow this whole thing out of the water right now. So that is a little encouraging. I do agree, you know, her going to bat for Bronwyn is strange. And I'll say this about Whitney because I want to keep things in perspective.

It does give entertaining moments. So you're right. And maybe I was short-sighted in saying that because there are things that I'm going to discuss that are a product of Whitney being Whitney, which is another way to say Whitney being stupid. But the problem with cool Bronwyn, because I don't want to chalk up these things on the same level. because like I said, Whitney talking points, we are able to move the show forward, even if it's clunky,

and discuss these things. Cool Bronwyn is actually a problem. Whitney, not so much. Cool Bronwyn, big problem. I don't know where the fuck this came from. This is a disaster. And the rest of the show is fine, in my opinion. But cool Bronwyn is a nightmare.

She thinks that her shit, I've never seen this level from one season to another of a relatively new house. wife. Turn into this. She thinks she is Teresa Judice on Jersey. She thinks that she is Vicki Gunvelson in her heyday. You've been on the show for two years, dude. And last year, you were a totally different person. Now you're going to this divorce with Todd. We get two different versions of Bronwyn and confessionals. It's either cool Broadwin or very high-pitched super plate Bronwyn. I don't care for either of them, but all it tells me is the one overarching thing,

which we've started to pick up on between last season and this season when it comes to BW. And that is, there's a lot of shit that does not track. There's a lot of shit that does not add up. And I'm actually excited to have the Quy, LB, Meredith Mark's crew, because I think if Bronwyn keeps pushing buttons, I think she's going to find out pretty quickly that you can't go to toe to toe with an LB and Meredith Mark's duo. And I think Quy is going to be able to handle her shit too. is like a trial by fire for her, like getting thrown into it immediately.

I think she's handled herself fairly well. She's not really going back yet at them, but she's taking it in stride. It's not like a total shutdown. So I think that Bronwyn and crew, the quote unquote cool kids, I think they're in for a rude awakening, but they think they're cool as shit right now. They think they're fucking killing it. Yeah, they definitely do. First point, there's only one W.

so I'd like to you to never do that again. That was, I hated that. Second. Are you referencing George W? Yeah, that's the only W that exists. But secondly, the way that even this episode starts off and when they're all talking, like it gives me a little bit of hope because I thought Kauai was going to spiral a little bit. I thought we were going to have at least half an episode of her still talking about everything

that happened, still being so turned off by even being friends with these women, trying to kind of like clutch her pearls and keep everything sacred and try to move away from everything. But instead, it's like, no, it was a kind of normal debrief when she's talking to her husband about it. Like, yeah, I had a rough time last night. And you can tell my makeup's kind of all over the place. And again, we're checking him with Stephen. We're not really sure how we feel about Stephen. I have no idea. The guy lives in Florida for like 80% of the time. So it kind tells you what you want to think. But I'm still trying to keep an open mind to the way he's responding. Like, it seems like this isn't very new for her necessarily. Like, yeah, I think

she was caught off guard. But I think she can handle it. So that at least makes me feel a little bit better moving into that. And everybody else seems to be kind of carrying on. Like it did there wasn't a ton of spillover. Like yeah, when we get to our dinner later, they kind of rehash a couple of things and get things involved. But it seems like yeah, it is necessary when you're together as a group. But we didn't have that like separate debrief where now all of a sudden we've got Heather and Bronwyn sitting in a room talking about last night and like why is a problem. We have to move on from her. She told me to shut the fuck up. This is my trip or anything like that. So that at least made me feel a little bit better because we've gotten stuck on things like that before where everybody gets all upset

and all up in arms about it. So we didn't get any of that. So that was a good way to start the episode after the spiral that we saw last episode. Yeah, I totally agree. Let's just jump in because there's not a whole lot in the interim of this episode. It's kind of intro and then at the end because we had some very funny scenes that that whole thing with the vibrator museum I thought could have taken such a bad turn just to be like not entertaining. They leaned into it. Like, that's all I needed. They had a fun time. It was kind of funny.

But like you said, we get the morning after recap, Kweye is talking to her husband on what happened. And the big thing here, and I want everyone to remember this because, again, I read some questions already. And I'm confused as to where some of you stand. Her big issue here is Whitney. Remember, they were super tight. Both of them claimed this. Very tight, very close friends. We come on this show.

Granted, you're going to get a different version of your friends. friend on the show. That's just is what it is. That's how this whole thing works. I'm aware of that. The total 180 and under the bus toss of Kly, since Whitney has been on the show in four episodes. It was three episodes until this episode. So she's already doing some bullshit. Yeah, she's fucking blindsided. And she should be blindsided. This is a very obvious, like, yeah, Whitney's in the wrong. She's kind of screwing you over right now. But somehow, this has been jumbled up in this group that we cut to Bronwyn in this same scene. And she's blaming them.

Quai, L.B. Meredith, are the problems so much so that we're going to split these groups up. They're going over there because they really pissed me off. They annoyed me last. I'm like, wait, can we break down what happened? Because they went to lunch. Quai didn't really say anything. She was commenting on things that Whitney was saying, that Bromwin was saying, and throwing it a little like salt and pepper

but it was nothing disparaging and this has somehow turned into this new girl's going to come in here and say horrible things about us Bronwyn you did it too and somehow you have propped yourself up on the throne of the cool kids group and are like blasting them

and we have completely swept this idea that Whitney's the fucking problem like that it was so fast yeah I really don't get it especially at the end of the episode when Bronwyn kind of ties it all together that Kly's been talking shit on everybody in the group. Like, you said things first and she was asking for a clarification on what you were talking

about and then agreeing in theory, I guess. Like, but that's about as far as it could go. And it's not a strange. And it's not a string in theory. Yeah, because she doesn't know anybody. She hadn't met anybody yet. So it doesn't make any sense. I, yeah, this is, I feel like, and I don't like it a lot with producer step in, but something

like this. Like the, the vibrator museum isn't a funny enough bit. to be able to say, all right, Brahman, yeah, you get to choose who goes where. They should have to do things together. Kaui should be with Bronwyn, with Heather, and they should have that discussion as they move through and they're, you know, shopping or whatever, because that actually builds a little bit more character and it builds a little bit more towards, okay, yeah, let's see how you handle this. Like, we're going to throw you back in the fire.

You had a rough night last night. Now you're going to hang out with us all day. And I'm not saying you have to split up Meredith and Lisa. Like, they can still go. But I think Kui should be involved in some level. You shouldn't be able to alienate an entire group of people that you don't. don't like just because it's your trip and be like yeah i don't want to hang out with them today they piss me off i want to have fun that's unfortunately not in the job description for being a housewife

you have to actually do things so i don't agree with that she shouldn't have been able to do that and the way she's talking like god just this the ego on her like yeah i'm not going to let them ruin my day i want to have fun and we're going to go shopping we're going to do something i've got a fun activity for them plans like you shouldn't you can be shady i'm not telling me not to be shady but you can't be shady in the sense of i'm not even going to tell you where you're going to do you're going to you're just going to show up somewhere and you have to do it because this is my trip. Like too much power. They're allowing too much power for her.

Exactly. The audacity of this woman out of the gate. You would think if we were episode 12, 13 and a lot of stuff has happened and there's been a lot of buildup and then we got on the cast trip and then she's dropping the hammer. I still wouldn't vibe with it, but I would understand. We are on episode four and she is talking as though she's a tenured housewife. I agree with you. far too much power to Bronwyn right now.

And I'm like racking my brain, trying to understand how we got here. Because she was fine last season. She had some ups and downs. I would say that it was like 50-50. She had some good moments. She had some bad moments. It was a solid season for a newer housewife.

That's fine. But to then launch her into the center snowflake, allow her the first trip of the season, allow her to dictate filming, who's going where and doing what. and then watching her sit in her confessional with this like holier than thou, I'm the shit attitude where she's like, I'm not dealing with that. Why would I deal with? I'm Bronwyn-Newport.

I'm not dealing with them. I'm going to send them off somewhere while I shop with my real friends. And I'm trying to understand just how we got here. Again, I didn't think it was a bad episode by any stretch. It's just more so trying to understand the dynamic that we now have in this group in which Bronwyn, sits above Angie, which she sits above Heather, Whitney. But everyone is okay with it. That's what's crazy to me.

They're all kind of bending the knee to Bronwyn-Newport. And I can't understand why. I don't get what happened. No, I have no idea. And somehow amidst all of this. And you know what? I texted you prematurely, a little prematurely. I said a hero has arisen.

I thought this was going to have some real legs. and then I should have realized who was actually doing it. But Brittany sits down. I realized this, by the way, in that moment, I was like, I think he thought this was going to go differently.

Uh-huh. Yeah, definitely didn't go as far as I thought it may have. I thought it was good enough. I thought it was like substantiated enough where we would have at least had a serious conversation about it. And it went absolutely nowhere. She just gets knocked down as soon as she starts talking.

But while she's going through all this, like this is, this might be Brittany's best moment that I've seen. And it's, yeah, I'm biased because I really hate Brahmin right now. But talking about the house, like, you know what? I'm very interested in real estate. That's my forte. That's something I actually

understand is kind of what you can read through the lines here. And she's digging into it. She sees, I guess, and she talks to Angie about how she saw Bronwyn and Todd sitting at the Capitol Grill having dinner, thought it was a little weird. Oh, well, no, she was just there because they were selling the house. And Todd had to come and to sign the papers. And Bronwyn had to sign. No, Bronwyn didn't. It's under an LLC, which, yeah, I mean, when Heather explains it, like, none of my businesses are actually under my name. And yeah, it makes sense that he would have had property under the LLC. But Brahman's still lying. Like she's still caught in a lie, but no one's going to press her for whatever reason. And that's kind of my issue right now with the rest of the group is the people that

would press. Yeah, Lisa and Meredith, but like they're kind of staying out right now. And it seems like they might have something in the work. So they're just trying to kind of let it go and play and run its course, if you will, before they strike. But usually this is where Heather starts looking like cross-eyed. Like, wait, well, hold on. This is a little too much. And then. this is what bothers me is Heather goes and she's like well yeah I mean it could just be in Todd's name but through the LLC so like we don't really know what's going on here that's not Heather's role Heather's role is to hear information and then spin it and stir it and for whatever reason she's not doing it maybe it's because she found love maybe because she says that she loves him

I don't know trip we're not really sure about trip I've got my my hesitations there so Brittany working through all of this and I love that she has the screenshot of the deed and everything like she's going record she's pulling it I thought this was a great move I thought this was a good talking point. I thought other people would have latched on to it. Just kind of sitting even at that table. Like Heather's kind of cheering her on. Whitney's cheering her on.

It's like, wow, that's actually good information. We could do something with this. And it goes nowhere. I really thought it was going to be a sticking point. It really wasn't. Still a very good Brittany moment, though. To see that she's still doing that, not just showing up and being Brittany and just being kind of out there and wacky,

she's actually doing things that housewives do and looking into information. Public records are always the thing that we look into. So I like that she did that. it just unfortunately didn't go anywhere for me. Yeah, and I'll give her credit for trying. You know, she's putting an effort and she breaks the fourth wall in a very funny moment. She's like, I'm very proud of myself for this detective work. Like, she's acknowledging that this is something that housewives do, that real housewives do.

I'm going to try to do it too. You unfortunately didn't follow through enough to get something damning out of it. The pieces are somewhat there. If you want to chalk it up, though, unfortunately kind of how Heather does, it's like, yeah, okay, but lots of people do this. That's also not indicative of her getting nothing. Now, the handshake thing, that's different. That's a different story because that is something that Heather can match on to. I'm totally fine with her foregoing this one, though, because I don't want to get an activated Heather this early. I want her to keep kind of playing the role she is. And then it comes up,

like midway through the season or something. I'll fuck with it. But I don't want to get her like full blown Hurricane Heather. And then. and everything falls to shit because she's annoying as shit. So I'm actually fine that she sidestepped this. And again, there's really not a whole lot of smoke here. There's like a little teeny tiny bit of smoke. But it was fun to watch Brittany kind of work through it.

She's putting the pieces together. She just didn't have the slam dunk to make it into something actually damning. But I agree with you. I like that we're getting effort. I like that she's trying to do things a little bit out of her element. Didn't land, but that's okay. This is a good step forward for her as a housewife.

life, good trajectory, potentially to go from friend of the full time. Maybe this is part of like a checklist that Andy Gable. You got to do this. Yeah, that's awesome. Then we can discuss the snowflake. Yeah, I could definitely see it going that way. And look, maybe when I really break it down, it is kind of funny because as soon as Britney starts going into it, I'm taking her word as gospel, which why, why am I doing that?

It's again, because I'm very biased in the way that Brahman's been acting for three episodes, four episodes, if you will, even going to bringing Brandon to Robert Jr.'s thing. Oh, yeah. Bizarre. Just very bizarre behavior. And I want her to get knocked down. So I'm even willing to immediately agree with Brittany and immediately believe everything she's saying. Now, she does have documentation, so that helps. But for us at home hearing that and knowing that Brittany knows that only Todd signed the paperwork

and seeing later that Bromwin says, I sign the paperwork with Todd, of course, because we split at 50-50, we at home know she's fucking lying and you can see like the wheels spinning a little bit and Lisa goes back even to the necklace so yeah we're putting together a lot of shit that says Brahmin is lying and she's also just being and we kind of dig into that throughout the episode she's just very inconsistent like

talking about the divorce and talking about what's going on and you know she's gallivanting around with this model but in the same time she's very nervous and very anxious about everything and then when she explains it it's like I don't believe you I don't think you're just anxious because it's a divorce like that kind of tracks, but there's more there. And because of who you are and who you've proven to be so far,

there's got to be more information going somewhere. There's something else happening. And I don't think it's because she's worried about herself. I think she's worried that something's going to come out and the rest of the ladies are going to have ammo on her. That's what I think is forefront in her minds because that's the way she's operating. She's operating on the show level where everything seems to be for the show. Everything that she's trying to spin is so that she has more leverage in the show.

If something comes out that she has lied about or something. doesn't go her way and she's been telling other people it will, that could be bad for her on the show. So I think that's really what she's worried about. Yeah. And I think, you know, I said there's only a tiny bit of smoke with what Brittany found. But I think that's kind of her MO for everything. There's a little bit here, a little bit there. The way she talks about it doesn't track.

She'll change the way that she explains something from one scene to the next. She tells one person one thing, one person another thing. They're never so far apart from each other like the ex. explanations that you're like, wait, that's, you're totally lying. But they're like lies by omission. She just changes a couple words, agrees, and lies about saying something she didn't say. I don't know. The point is, you're right where we need to have a Bronman take down. But the good thing is, and this is, here's what I hope. This would make me very happy. I hope that there's enough inconsistency. I hope that Brittany bringing this up could have been

enough. This could have been a good move because now Heather's at least wise to it. Now Heather can go, okay, you didn't find anything, but what you overlooked was X, Y, or Z. The handshake deal. Heather thinking about her own divorce and being like, dude, a handshake deal is a terrible idea, especially you're gallivanting around with this model in people like seeing. What are you doing? You're going to fuck yourself out of any kind of money. That could be enough for Heather to start digging. If Heather starts digging and we have three people that are against Kwa, or sorry, against Bronwyn and the rest of the group, we very well might see Fingies crossed. Heather crossed the line and potentially start getting close with L.B. Meredith Marks. If that happens, there is a world

in which Angie K. is able to discuss those things with them. Her going to the vibrator museum and having a good time was enough for me to like, I know I'm going to keep wishing this for the rest of my life. I know. Yeah. I know. Yeah. So I'm going to try to put the pieces together until it's just not going to happen. But I think that you have a situation right now, at least as I read it, that Whitney is so sporadic, erratic and not making any sense. Bronwyn is on a whole different planet right now that there is a world in which we get the OGs of this show kind of like, wait, time out. What the fuck's going on the newbies like how what the hell's going on with brondwin whitney you're inconsistent let's all

have a powwow and figure this out i'm just hoping that there's a way that this bridges a gap that we've been wanting to bridge for years between lb and angie k lb and hether like just getting that core group copacetic again able to yeah together yeah it's just incredibly toxic right now it seems like every time something goes in the right direction with you know the four or five of them if you will something falls apart or it's like their opposites and they're just not going to be able to attract but yeah i thought the same thing and i obviously i'm with you on the angie k thing and as we kind of get into the whole you know the vibrator museum and everything as she's going and she finds out that she's not even part of the group that gets to hang out with prom win for whatever reason i guess

that's cool and go to a weird eclectic store that has letty cravitz's fur she's upset she's obviously upset like i can't believe that i have to go with these people and then she's clearly having a fun time. And as she's going, I'm thinking to myself, like, okay, good,

this is good. I need you to have more forced time with just, you know, the Meredith thing, I still don't really understand why Angie and Meredith aren't friends. I mean, I know Meredith is very standoffish, but like nothing really happens since.

That goes back to the Sean rumors. Yeah, but that was like three seasons ago. Like we, that's Monica Garcia season. We can get over that now, right? I agree.

I think so. And maybe, maybe not. Maybe, maybe, you know, the divorce with Sean or the separation with Sean, rather. is kind of bringing up some old feelings, who the hell knows.

But at the same time, with LB and Angie Kay, they didn't have a whole lot of things. And they've been pretty okay, it seems. Like there's no real animosity in any of their scenes. It doesn't seem like either of them are jumping on them. They're able to at least have normal conversations. So there is something there. But the thing is, while I'm going through all of that,

it's almost like, as soon as you convince yourself, it could happen. She comes back and she's like, oh, my God, I got to tell you about my terrible day with these women. It's like, oh, flip-plopper. absolute flip-flopper. And I get it in a normal situation. You still want to have fun and go out and do whatever. But you don't have to come back right away and be like, oh, yeah, I was stuck with those

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And again, I don't know why. I have no idea. I don't know what the appeal is. Me neither. I don't get it. And I hopefully the more we get of her kind of acting that way, the more people are going to start to deviate away from it. But that does remind me because we did skip over. Angie and Heather had a conversation earlier on and then we get back to the vibrator museum and after. But we get more about the Sean situation. And it's just apparently they're growing apart is what you can summarize from the whole thing.

But she did say something interesting when she did say something interesting when she, references that they have different beliefs and ideologies. Because there was some rumors going around. There were some screenshots of liked posts and things like that from Sean getting into the red pill nonsense. And I'm wondering if that is part of what's going on with this whole thing. I'm wondering if that's what she's referencing with difference in ideologies if he went off the rails and is listening to a bunch of dudes that should not have podcasts and

watching some YouTube channels, talking some stupid shit, that would be really interesting if that starts to come out of the woodworks and respect to her for standing in her beliefs against that kind of bullshit. But I think there's a lot more here. And I think that we said that for years about AK and Sean. I'm wondering if we're finally going to actually dig into this, because up until now, ever since the rumors happened, right? Meredith, bringing that whole thing up with Sean apparently sleeping with men and things like that, allegedly, we kind of have been off limits of Angie and her relationship. And understandably so, that was pretty crazy to throw out there and pretty damning.

So I get that we've been shying away from digging into her personal life with that stuff. But I have felt that there's more there. I have felt that there's something going on with these two because the story that we get from Angie Kay versus the scenes that we actually see with her and Sean. are two different things. So I wonder if we're actually going to dig into it a little bit. No, I mean, they're hanging by a threat. Meredith would be a very good friend to have to just kind of discuss how her in the podcast.

Yeah, I mean, I think that would work. I think that would do wonders. And yeah, we don't know what the hell's going on. It's all hearsay and unless they actually tell us what's going on and have a scene where they explain explicitly what happened and what went wrong, we have no fucking clue. I mean, half of the screenshots that you see about Housewives or anybody in involved in Bravo. It's not real. Like it's Photoshop. It's AI. Like you have never, you never have any clue what's exactly going on and what's real. Half the time you go from

Twitter over to Instagram to double check to see if that happened and it's not there. So it's just a lot of it's bullshit. So we don't know unless they let us in. It's kind of interesting because it's something that we're keeping a finger on the pulse of with with Angie specifically and her nonsense when she's getting into things in the group. And then obviously the fallback is going through a really tough time. And I don't doubt that she's going through a tough time. I just hate that that's an excuse. Like I hate that you can do that because I do think it's off limits. And because Angie's made that off limits for so long, pretty much since the Meredith, Monica Broomer, now it's like, okay, yeah, I mean, I feel for you. I get what's going on. But if you do

something shitty, you should still have to answer for it. I don't want to see you then go and sit down with Heather and I will cry it out. Although I do think it's important. And look, it's life. I get it. I'm a little peeved. that we have this huge overarching storyline for like half of the group at this point, that they're all going through divorces, they're all going through separations. Yeah, I get it. But like, they're going to use it to excuse shitty behavior, whereas we would normally see them have their feet on the fire.

And I want to find some sort of middle ground. I know it's going to be tougher to find that. So it's interesting to see. But I will say when we get the wedding pictures of Sean and Angie, great hair. Yeah, it looks great. Ah, man. Poor Sean. lost all of his hair.

But it's just like being in the 90s and being a hairdresser in the 90s, that dude's got some great hair. Love those pictures. Yeah, top notch hair. Great, great head of lettuce. I will give him that. And I don't know if we'll get more, like we said. We'll see.

But moving on, we get to the events. We're shopping with John Hadid and we're going through the Vibrator Museum and all of that. This was just kind of a fun scene. This made me happy to see the ladies that got sequestered to. to this vibrator museum, that they did end up having fun, that they were able to not get all up in arms about Broadman sending them here, where it's like, oh, my God, how dare she. Instead, they're like, all right, she's clearly trying to take a shot at us.

This is stupid. Let's go and have fun. Who gives a shit? Don't let her get into our skin. That's encouraging because LB's not biting. Meredith's not biting. And that's kind of what we're seeing as a whole with each of these episodes that we've seen so far. they're trying to activate Meredith and they're trying to activate LB.

While we do love an activated Meredith Marks, I wanted to be at the right time. I want it to be on her prerogative. You know, I want her to jump in when she's ready to jump in with some good shit. And it looks like that's what we're going to get next episode or scenes from later this season. So this to me was more just, well, two things. One, all right, we're viving on this side. That's good. I love seeing happy LB, happy to Merritt Marks.

great. On the other side, oh shit, they really think Bronwyn's fucking cool. Like, they really I know. I know, dude. Like, I guess in a way going to that boutique was kind of fun because it looks like the guy did have a ton of cool pieces. He had a lot of fun things, a lot of cool things, a lot of high price things. So I get it. It's just more of like this story building when it comes to Bronwyn. Like, it's almost like she's trying to convince us that she was rich before. for Todd. So like Todd wasn't her identity and the money for Todd isn't her identity. Like I've always been wearing pieces like this. It's like I don't really believe you. I don't really care either. I don't want you to do like a puff piece on yourself. Like it's just not really what's

going to work for me right now. And I'm also like I don't know. Like maybe the payoff's going to be great so it doesn't really matter. But I know for a fact. They didn't spend like three hours at that vibrator museum. It made it seem like they were there all day. They probably went out and had lunch and talked a little bit of shit. And then they had a cocktail. Yeah. We did, you know, back and forth, back and forth for a good majority of the episode. They weren't there for that long.

They probably hit lunch afterwards. They had a couple of drinks. They talked a little bit of shit. We didn't really get to see any of that. They were just kind of back at the hotel ready for dinner, which was kind of annoying. But again, if the payoff is good, I don't really care. It's just, I feel like there's things that we're not really seeing so far. Because, yeah, it was a fun time at the Vibrator Museum, but nothing was spoken about.

They didn't even talk about the night before. Like, that's bizarre to be. Yeah, the one question I have for you, because when we get to the Brahman group and she's talking about sending the other crew to this museum, she's like, yeah, maybe they can grab a deal. They can literally go fuck themselves. I'm like, what did they do to you to warrant this kind of response? I understand, I don't understand, but at least Whitney got into it with Kwai on her own doing,

so I still wouldn't understand if she was mad at Kwai. but they didn't do shit to you. And that's my entire thing with Whitney is this entire thing has somehow gotten spun to which Whitney's the victim. Bronwyn's part of that group and they're trying to condemn Kui. It's like, let's break this down to the nuts and bolts of it.

And that'll take us actually pretty much directly to dinner. Yeah. But if we want to talk about what happened, Whitney took something said in confidence by her friend Kaui before they were even filming. and took it to Angie Kay. And then has an issue now because Kui, instead of coming to Whitney and saying,

hey, you threw me under the bus, let's talk about this, she confided in Meredith and Lisa. What? You did this, Whitney. You started this whole thing. You can't then dictate how Kwai handles it,

and you definitely can't flip the whole thing and play the victim. This is, all of this mess is your own doing, and this is Whitney 101. You do this. season in and season out and you never learn and then you throw out that I'm hilling or some stupid shit like that.

But this is a Whitney problem that Kauai is trying to respond to and understand where the fuck her friend went. She says as much in her confessional like, oh my God, we were so tight. Where is this coming from? How did this happen? I guess I can't trust her. She's not who I thought she was. That's what we're all thinking too.

Like, yeah, Kwai, welcome to housewives. That's who Whitney actually is. But what I can't stand is that Whitney is somehow playing the hurt puppy dog. Like, I can't believe she's not prioritizing our friendship. Like, are you fucking kidding? You threw her to the fuss 10 times. So I have way less of a problem with that because I, I think I did this last year. I think I actually tried to get you on the team last year of not giving a fuck about Whitney.

Like, it's, it's such a better life. It's so much more fun. Because you don't, there's no rooting for her. You know what I mean? Like she's, she's done so much and it's so much, so much like self-inflicting that you just can't really care. She's never going to help herself. She's always going to be in that position. And if you just ignore the whole,

woe is me, you did this to me. I can't believe you reacted that way. It's a lot better of life. Like, we're the meme of the two guys on the bus and you're just staring at the rocks. You're looking at paradise. Yeah, I'm looking at paradise because I don't care about Whitney Rose. Yeah. So when she gets involved in things like this, like I don't feel bad for her.

You know she is burning that relationship to the ground. And she is defecating on the friendship that she had with her best friend who passed away. Like that's literally what she's doing in real time for what? To have like a moment on reality TV and to tell her cool friends, Bronwyn, that this is what Kauai is doing. Like, like I,

you're never really going to understand why she does the things that she does. You thought maybe going into it like, oh, cool, all right. Yeah, you're friends and then you guys seem to have some sort of deep rooted friendship and relationship. Maybe you'll be on her team.

Maybe when Kaui hits a snag and when that happens in San Francisco, when Bromwin calls her out and completely. flips on it, you can speak up and be friends with Kwai as you tell us that you are. But she doesn't and immediately shoots yourself in the foot. I don't feel bad for her. I think it's funny that she does this to herself because you know halfway through the season, she can be like, ah, I have to go back on my apology tour. It's like, good luck.

It's not going to work. Nobody cares anymore. I'm very much on the same base as Meredith Marks, looking back at Whitney. Like, it doesn't mean anything. Your apologies don't mean anything. Your actions always speak louder than any of your words. So who gives a shit what you have to say, I don't care about you. That's a way better place to be.

I agree. I'm trying to get there. I don't like carrying this much, but I can't help it. It just bothers me because then it's like, what happened? How did we get here? It's like, because of you. And as we're going through dinner, I loved the fact that out of the gate, we have the whole group together.

We're talking about the museum. And we're kind of joking. We're going back and forth. It's not that serious. we got some people some gifts, which is nice. LB or no, I guess Bronman got the heart one because she's, it's a trip or whatever. Heather gets some pasties, some mood ring type pasties.

Those are cool. I like that. Yeah. The whole thing, though, for me was just like, okay, cool. Like if this could be the base level of like, yeah, it was a little shady, but, you know, here's some gifts. Ha, ha, ha. We ended up having actually a pretty fun time.

That excites me. Not bad. Not bad at all. That's a good place to be. but then we take a left turn because we have to figure out the whole quai thing and that's when we get everything kind of laid out and again yeah the root of this is that whitney took this toothbrush thing and decided to tell angie and then she's going to call angie the town gossip which is yeah oh funny like no you are the town gossip Whitney you have all of your blogger friends

that you talk to like this is all a you problem once again i promise i'm trying to not care All right, I'm working on it. But I thought L.B. lays it out perfectly. Time out as she's gesturing with a dildo at everybody, which was a very funny scene. You guys were the ones there. You three went to the biker bar. You're the three that need to have a conversation. This is not my problem.

And if you go back to the night before when people have an issue with Meredith, they have an issue with LB and Kauai going to talk to them, it's like, you guys all gotten this weird click out of nowhere where you're all like giggling to each other and propping Whitney up and saying, fuck Kui. So of course Kui is going to go over to the two people that don't fuck with you guys who are also not sitting there talking shit other than saying, yeah, this is what Whitney does. She's done it to us. Come on over here. Let's go have some fun. All right. We'll not talk about them. We'll go have a drink or two. And everything will be fine. The good thing that I'm seeing from

this, like you said, is this threesome with Kaui, LB and Meredith. I really like these three together. I think that it's a different dynamic than we've seen. It might be able to pull some more fun out of Meredith. She's going to be able to have a circle where she doesn't feel like people are gunning for her all the time. Or maybe she can actually let loose a little bit. We haven't seen her do that in five years. So that would be nice to see. But it is setting up it, which is a good thing, but it's setting up some new dynamics on a show where there's been a lot of the same stuff for the past couple of years. Yeah. I fully agree with you. I think that this devolved in such a way that this show has done time in and time out over the last three seasons,

where you can't really get to the root of anything because people won't shut the fuck up. And I think that Lisa should have that dildo at all times because it somehow worked. I mean, I think it was funny enough and I think it was poignant enough where people actually shut the fuck up. They finally let people actually speak and get down to it.

Again, we didn't really get anywhere because when you kind of draw it back to the source, it's still Whitney threw her new friend on the show under the bus immediately as soon as she came onto the show. And when Bronwyn starts talking about it, it's like we talked about it earlier, you already lied. You already flip-flop. You already said something that Kauai didn't say. You changed the words ever so slightly when she was talking about Heather.

You changed the word ever so slightly when she's talking about other people. Like you're just outright denying and lying about things to make yourself look better, but it's not really making you look better. It's really just pushing Kauai down further because people are going to believe you for whatever reason. I don't know why. it's been very, very historical to show that you're a liar. So I don't know why people believe you, but they do for some reason. So you're running with it and you've got too much power. So when she's going through all of this, like, no, you were the one talking about half of the shit.

And when you're trying to tell everybody, Kauai went through the group one by one, she said a lot of things about you. She said a lot of things about you. It's like, no, she didn't. You were bringing her up to speed with the women in the group. And she was asking follow up questions because she doesn't fucking know them. but now you're going to say that she was talking shit. So she is the problem. And it's not like a fun problem.

It's not anything else. If this was a longer tenured housewife in Kauai, yeah, maybe it makes more sense because she's going to have people who are going to have her back or at least see you for who you are. But Kau is new. Like she hasn't even been able to like ingratiate herself in the group at all. And you're already lying on her name. You're already telling other people that she's talking shit on them. She's never going to be friends with any of these people.

It's going to prolong that. It's going to take until the. end of the season for some people like Angie, Meredith and Lisa already friends there, but it's going to take like Angie, Heather and someone else probably a little bit more time, Brittany, if she is even involved, a little more time to get to know why because you're not letting her go. You're stunting her growth immediately. That's not good for the show. That's the biggest problem. I don't care if it serves whatever agenda you're going to serve. She's never going to be able to get to a place with the rest of the group where it's fun drama, where it's good shit because no one's going

to trust her because you're telling them not to trust her. And for what? Like you've been the show for a hot minute. And now what? You're set or Snowflake and you get to host the Oscar parties. So now you feel like you're hot shit. That's my big problem with Bronwyn. She's just immediately negating the whole thing

without allowing it to flourish, which is bad for the show. That's my problem. Yeah, it's bully behavior. And you said it perfectly. You're creating a divide in the group for a new housewife that she won't be able to cross.

She's going to have to wait for the other ladies to be like, you know what, maybe I do need to get to know quiet. That sucks because we want her to be able to be friends with everybody and then things start to fall apart. Not this whole thing where we're sitting at the table and Whitney is now, like as if the toothbrush thing wasn't bad enough.

That's when Broadwin's like, weird they enough. You didn't say anything about Meredith Marsh. The funniest thing was the clip that we got from Bravo. Nice job by production here. Because it's literally Bronwyn given an example of why she doesn't trust LB or why she doesn't like LB. And it quies saying,

if someone did that to me, I would slash their tires. That's all she said. And that's kind of what she said in response to everything. Bronman was setting the table and Kwi was trying to make friends and sitting there and not be like, well, I'm not doing that. She was trying to entertain it without talking shit,

which now she should have just talked shit because she's getting thrown under the bus anyway. She should have said immediately, I don't really know her that well. Maybe I don't know her the same way that you know her. She did. Yeah, like, no one heard her. But Brahman's just fucking lying. It's crazy.

It's crazy to me that she's getting away with it. And that's, again, like, if you're going to lie this method, if you're going to be a pathological liar and just lie about stupid shit for no reason, like you're not even gaining anything from it. You need to be taken down. There has to be a point where you get taken down immediately. That's why I want it. Yeah.

And that's, you know, the ball gag I thought was hilarious. It's a nice job. Why? Nice prop work there. And Whitney, you can't take offense to this. I'm sorry. You can't. It's a pertinent gift.

It makes sense. You're lying, you're talking shit behind her back. You're using things from your friendship way, like predating the show, predating Kui, even probably being discussed on being on the show. And you're pulling it out now to prove a point at the table. Why? Why?

Are you like, remember when we were standing in my foyer? What are you doing? Why do you need to get this across? Like you would bury your friend and throw away the shovel? Like, this is crazy work to me. and it's somehow on that side of the table. Whitney, who is usually out on an island with this stuff, maybe Heather will entertain it,

but she usually doesn't have a lot of support. Right now she has a lot of support, and it all centers in one person, and that's Bronwyn. And it's crazy. I don't get it. I truly do not understand any of it. No, but I will say L.B., Meredith,

and Kaui, I thought they were great in this scene. LB. just doing her lip liner over and over. That's where we got the weird, you know, body shaming comment about the lips, which I didn't need. I thought that was fucked. But I like that they're unbothered. I want them to remain unbothered until they're ready to strike back.

And then I want to see an activated Meredith Marks. And I think we're in the right direction. I think we're moving the right way. Yeah. Definitely are. You've already read a lot of the questions. I only read a few, but the ones I read

were confusing and then I saw the one about whose face is Angie wearing and I thought it was funny. Oh, from Lake and Joy 11th. What is Bronwynne and the Dr. Pepper's? She wants that sponsorship so bad. She really does.

And you know where that comes from? LB. With the Wednesdays, with the Diet Coke. Yep. It's what she's trying to do. Yeah, she's not even ever about this stuff.

It's not even like funny. and thought provoking. It's just like, yeah, you're trying to be LV. That's what she's doing now, by the way. I know. Yeah, that's exactly what she's trying to do. From K. Looker Woods, calling it now. Brittany going after Bromwin can only end with Brittany in shambles.

Unfortunately, yeah, she's going to need a little bit of backup. And I don't, I just don't know if Brittany has any backup in this group. I don't think she does. But I also don't think, I think she's now in a position where everyone, no one's going to get wildly upset at Brittany. even if she's digging. Like Bronwyn didn't even take her seriously when she was digging into her shit.

She's like, yeah, okay, whatever. So I think, you know, would she go down and shambles if she went up against Bronwyn? Probably, but I don't think it's ever going to get to that point, honestly, with me. From Pretty Ricky 22,

this episode felt like everybody was acting. I think you could accuse a few of them of doing that. Not all of them, though. It's just a few. from Jennifer M2M is anyone else Quai concerns she keeps acting as if Whitney is the issue hmm look I don't I read that's the one I can't tell yeah I mean I I can't tell I look no no not me

I have no idea what Kwai's about because she's been fighting for her goddamn life since she got on this show because of the things that Whitney's done you might be right maybe you're seeing things that I'm not seeing Jennifer but I don't know because I haven't heard her talk her life. I haven't heard her talk about anything shady. Yeah, she said she's going to slash tires and she used her boyfriend's like she's brushing a toilet. She's being hyperbolic. Yeah, like except for the toothbrush thing. I bet you she actually did that. But I don't know.

I can't I cannot make heads or tails of who she is or what she's about because she has been fighting for her life since she got to San Francisco. That was the one I was confused about. Because Whitney is the issue. This is all Whitney's problem. She did all of us. Absolutely. Yeah. To follow it up, Jennifer M-Tum also asked or said, alighting with DJ Marathon lip liner Lisa seems shady. But where else was she going to go? Because Whitney had that whole gaggle of idiots yelling at her.

So yeah, she's going to go over to two that aren't. So I don't, this is not a quiet problem. No, that's definitely a Whitney problem. From Gray with two eyes, where Andy, where Angie's wedding pick shady, Sean looked like he hated her. I don't know because I was completely focused on the hair. I was just looking at that 90s hair. It's just something about me.

You show me pictures of the 90s. I'm going to be looking at the hair and the clothes. Yeah, I also could not take my eyes off the hair. So I couldn't tell you. But what I will say in regards to that question, I think there's a lot about this marriage that we don't know. And I think we might find out a lot more this season, especially if this is a classic,

I'm going to air out my marital issues on TV to expedite my divorce, which Angie could possibly be doing. So I think we'll get some more about their marriage throughout this season. That is, all right, to bear with me here. That is pretty much what I'm worried about what we're going to get with Kwai is what we got with Angie. We don't know enough about her marriage because as soon as the Monica Meredith thing happens, she put that shit on lock.

Are we not going to find out anything about Kwai or what she has going on? because she's going to be playing defense so much. And when she's not playing defense, she's still playing defense. That's what I'm worried about. When you get ahead of things and you don't let things blossom. And yeah, obviously, you know, the first thing is in hindsight because at the moment, it was like, holy shit, where did this information come from?

What's Angie going to do with it? And it was good for a couple of episodes there. And we got the circle jerk wide. So that's always funny. But I'm worried with something like Kwai, with somebody like Kwai coming into the group. If she's not able to flourish, like it's stunting her growth on the show, she's going to serve no purpose. And I don't want to have to get to like the third season of Kwai and she's still talking

about her life like do something else at that point. So it's tough. It's just it never goes well. No, but what I will say in regards to Kwai despite. Yeah, she started crying in episode one. But hey,

yeah, that happens. She's handling it pretty well for a newbie to be ganged up on to have her best friend just completely flip on her. She's taking it. it in stride for the most part. So if she can weather this storm, I don't know how long

it's going to be, hopefully not more than half the season at most. If she can hang through this and then come out the other side, that gives me a lot of confidence for her as a housewife overall. I think we'll be okay. Yeah, no, I fully agree with that. I'll see if we have one more in here. Oh, this is just, this is a good one of dead on. If you listen

to our Rodey episode, Steele and I we, we fit, not fantasized, but we we played a little we finishedized. We played a hypothetical of whether or what would happen in love story

if Ryan Murphy created it. Ryan Murphy did create it. So I didn't watch it. I don't know. I think he was a producer. I don't think he created. No, it's I saw the question and then

created it. Ryan Murphy's romantic drama. How did we not get somebody in a latex suit at some point? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. And like was Sarah Paul? also in it. I don't know. I didn't watch it again. I don't know. But that is Jesus. Yeah. We should do a podcast on

Ryan Murphy. Like we should. That would be really funny. I mean, we have to watch all of his shit. I know. But the worst thing that happened to Ryan Murphy then we'll sign off is American Horror Story. OG being as good as it was. Because the first season and he took every little like all the imagery and the themes and all of that stuff. And all of that up and was like, this shit is so cool. And I'm going to do it tenfold because FX just gave me $100 billion. Yeah. Oh, wait.

You guys are combining with Hulu and you've got more money. Cool. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah. I'll actually make a serial killer and then do a story about it. Yeah. Yep. Oh, God.

Fucking Ryan Murphy. Yeah, maybe we'll do a Ryan Murphy special episode one day. That could be funny. But anyway, I think we're fine. I think we're moving in the right direction. I'm curious to test. this shakes out. Broadwin,

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