Bros & Shows - Correction: Erin Is Trying to Ruin RHONY (RHONY Full Recap S16E5)

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

What's up bros?? Well we're really honing in on what or rather who could be the downfall of this show and while we were openly blaming BOTH Erin and Jessel last week, we're fully singling out Erin. This cast is trying to evolve into their own good roles and the flow of the episode is constantly hampered by Erin. The other issue (also Erin's fault) is that now Daisy is showing signs of being a downer. We think Daisy can bounce back but with each passing week, Erin is continuing to stray further from what entertaining television is. Let's hope the rest of the cast can put us in a better position as they get more comfortable! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Discover coffee plus on nispresso.com. This was a good episode. This was a really good episode of Housewives. This show, I don't know. There's just, there is one very, very obvious outlier for me watching this whole thing. And I think you guys know what I'm going to say. Actually, you might not. You might think I'm going to say somebody else.

You might think that I'm going to agree with you, but I actually thought it was not a good episode of Housewives. I didn't like it at all. I thought it was weird. I thought it was so much off of what. what they had already been building. And I think that this is exactly what we were worried about. And it's Aaron and Jessel. Don't we mean.

They can't. Well, we did talk about Aaron and Jessel and will they ruin the show. I saw this as the example of how they can take away from the show. Because there's other things that they're not letting happen because they can't get out of the center. And that's the big problem for me. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man. It's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a.

I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Mosquito-Megito Island.

What's up, dude? Did it feel kind of weird that they just started off the episode already there? Like we didn't get the chronicles of packing and go. I was fine with it. If I really wanted to read into it, it would be more that nothing happened. And should we be concerned that there were no conversations to really like kind of key in on in terms of like editing and making sure that that makes it into the episode except for sigh showing up by herself after the news that we'll talk about in a bit. But yeah, it just felt weird. I was like, wait, hold on.

Did they do all of that last week? No, I don't think they did. So they're just on a boat. It felt like the beginning of a movie almost. Like, yeah, we don't really need to care about where they came from. They're just, they're on the boat and they're at the island now. That's all the matters. Yeah, it hopped right to it.

The reason I didn't mind it was because we have seen many a time where nothing really does happen during those trips. I don't mind if something's popping off. Somebody's late. We're talking shit in the lounge beforehand. And but if nothing happens, which is quite often the case, I'm cool to just get there. I would prefer to have at least a stock image of an airplane just to let me know that traveling, you know. Yeah. No, I fully agree.

Like the airplane landing and the noises and everything. Sure. It just works really well. And it can just be the home alone one that everyone knows so well. You know, in the winter, it's coming down. There's snow. I'm good. Yeah.

I think it's actually really interesting now that I'm thinking about. about it too because we even referenced later and I look I know Aaron is pissed off and I guess Daisy's just kind of like on her side but we start talking about like flying private and we didn't fly private did they not have qualms at the airport because if you're consistent with it and you got to the airport you're like wait a minute we're going to a private island but we're flying commercial that seems a little weird have your issue then and then let us see that and then let us build to the fact that you guys are going to talk shit when you get to the island instead it just gets kind of dropped in there which makes me think again we're dealing

with Aaron. So it makes me think that she just had issues with Erica after the whole conversation that Daisy divulged. And now she's like, we didn't fly private or anything. It's like, okay, yeah, that you are so reactionary and all this shit. You need to like plant seeds along the way in case you want to go that route. You can't just do it then. It means nothing to me. Yeah. And to your point in the cold intro, let me try to level with here because overall, I thought this was a decent episode to Housewives. I thought we got some good stuff going on. I'm loving the newbies. I really am. I think they're great. I think Haley's a lot of fun. Carol will discuss because we'll just, we'll talk about it. Yeah. But for me, it's almost like if I'm looking at it through your frame

of reference, which I'm assuming this is your frame of reference. I agree. It's sort of like we talked about with the flow last week. We're cruising, we're cruising, we're cruising, hard stop on an air and scene. Totally different vibe. Totally different feeling. Seems contrived. Seems forced. All of that. So could I level with you here? I'd say it's almost like there's two different shows happening right now.

You have the one show that is the newbies and it's entertaining. It's fun, new stuff. And then you go 180 back to two seasons ago. Yeah. I think there's two different reactions. Look, I think this might just go for everybody on the cast.

They need to stop taking everything so fucking seriously and take it to heart. Like making a comment about popcorn ceilings, yeah, you can have a conversation about it. But you don't have to then go off the deep end to be like, you offended me. I did this. And I haven't like a deep conversation about it. It's kind of stupid. And I love Daisy.

But I think that and she gets a little bit of a pass because she's new. So whatever. It's fine. But for Aaron, it's like, of course people are talking about the fact that you may have done this for insurance reasons. Have a better reaction than that's despicable. Now I'm going to cry for seven hours. Do you understand? Do you understand me?

You understand? Like, I'm not fully on Jessel's side in the sense of like, you know, I have a little bit of compassion or whatever. And maybe you don't like Aaron at all. But like, you know, understand where she's coming from and be like, yeah, you know what? That was kind of fucked up with me to say. But I wasn't being serious. That's all you kind of have to say. And on Aaron's side, it's like, she's not being fucking serious.

Just have a better response instead of just calling her despicable and then running away and then crying and bitching to Daisy about the whole thing. and then obviously shaping Daisy's whole trip. Like that, that's the shit that annoys me is, I think going into this, like you said, yes, it is two different shows.

I want to see Haley, Daisy, and Erica kind of shine through this because it's obviously Erica's place and I want her to be able to show it off. And yeah, people are going to make some jokes and some comments along the way

about her not owning the entire island, which I think she definitely did lead them to believe that they owns the whole island. If you're taking their side would be a very funny stance, honestly. I look, I again, but that's,

that's sort of what I'm saying is, even that's like not a fucking big issue. Like I don't, like, who cares? Like, how to me, that talk about the island stuff,

I thought was funny because I didn't think it was that deep. Like that's something to me is like a fun housewives like, you don't even own the island. It is. Like that was good shit. It absolutely is. To your point with Daisy, I don't want to see her get errand at all.

I want to see her with the other, even if she's not getting along with the other newbies or even honestly, For me, like, we'll just get right into it as far as what I was talking about in the beginning. I didn't even have an issue with Jessel, really, this episode. Like, I didn't think she was great, but she didn't bother me. I thought she was fine, which I was surprised. I thought Aaron was going to settle in at some point or kind of, not that I thought I was hopeful that she would settle in.

She's going so far backwards to OG Aaron of Old, getting stuck on things. If we remember everybody, our big issue with OG Rony reboot, reboot. boot number one was everyone took everything so fucking seriously. Everything was such a big deal. You couldn't go two seconds without somebody getting upset and have this like long, drawn out apology, all of that. So totally agree with you there.

But what I wasn't expecting and I'm hoping because Daisy doesn't do her due diligence and protect herself because she doesn't realize that, oh yeah, I was talking shit too. I'm hoping that drives a wedge. And Aaron's like, wait, I can't trust her too. So then Daisy's like, oh, well, fuck Aaron and goes to the other side.

Because Aaron is the big holdup, which is surprising, honestly. I thought she was going to be fine going into this season. She is the odd man out quite clearly. Yeah, very clearly. And I'm less worried about Carol because, like, Carol is not bringing Vicky back to save a show. I really don't know why Carol's on the show. If I'm being honest, it doesn't make it a sudden sense. I know that, you know, she rehashed some things.

Wow, wow, factor. Kind of got back into it. And they're like, you know what? we're doing another reboot. Let's bring one of the OGs back or somebody that at least is a familiar face that we can get some people in. Carol's not really the person to do that with. She worked really well with her old cast.

She doesn't really know any of these women. And she's even getting offended and everything. So like I think that's the big overhaul of the whole show. I don't really want. Aaron, yeah, in like five episodes I might be calling for her head. But right now she just needs to figure it the fuck out. The rest of them just stop getting so offended. It should be so much closer to.

to Daisy sitting there claiming that she was gaslit and laughing and Jessel making comments and every joke has to, like she's getting close to the Sheehan thing. You don't have to make, like one more joke about the Sheehan dress. Too much. You lost me.

But right now it's like, okay, you are taking it as a joke and being able like play with it a little bit. It just seems like every time someone makes a comment about something, whether it's about your personal life or what's going on, they're so quick to be so offended.

it's like no there's there's a way to be funny more offended like give me an example because i thought that they actually rolled with the punches for a while they did a little i mean carol carol is carol because i don't think she's she's like even the comment about where jessel calls her carol in at one point she's like oh and their face gets be right it's like it's funny on jessels end no no it's funny on jessle's end like i was talking to carroll there not you i'll say carroll come on that's funny dude it's funny dude like it get over it so she needs to get over some shit. I'm done with the love story thing. Like this is run

its course. I'm so annoyed by that whole thing. It's like, I was done with it weeks ago and it was funny in the beginning because I'm like, oh, maybe she'll be able to play along with it. She's not. She's just done with it. She's just sticking them up with the whole thing. So that's annoying. Erin is brutal, brutal every scene that she's talking

about. Cy is a completely different show. And I think that adds layers to the show, which is very good and that's what we want to see. But even times, and look, I don't want to hold it on Erica, but even times during the private island thing. She looked offended. I'm like, you can't, you're a billionaire. You can't be offended by this.

Have a joke. Like no one ever has or responds with a joke. They're so immediately just like, well, what about you? How about we talk about your shoes or your dress? It's like, no, have a fun joke. Like, play around with it a little bit instead of being so offended and so like aggressive and going after like someone's throat because they made a joke about your dress. It's just, it's annoying.

It's just, I want it to be a little bit more funny and it doesn't have that. outside of Daisy Haley, it doesn't have that layer of fun. Everybody's still so uptight and they need to work, work at everything out. That's interesting because like, I thought Erica played into it pretty well because she makes the popcorn ceiling joke.

And then she's like, whoa, I was, and that's when Daisy, and that's when personally I was like, oh, you're hanging on Aaron too much. Uh-huh.

Because the popcorn ceiling response was very funny. And it wasn't serious. It was very tongue-in-cheek. You said popcorn partners, that's a layup. Anybody's going to make the, joke of, whoa, popcorn ceilings. And she gets stonefaced.

And it's like, wait, you just shit on her private island, which is ironic and very funny. I agree with you. And I'm going to chalk that up to Erica's new. Like, she's learning the ropes because, yes, we do want to see a billionaire in that moment be like, who, who are you talking to on my private island? Like, are you fucking kidding? I think we'll get there with her. I actually really like, she's very relatable, which is bizarre to say about a billionaire.

Is she? Dev said that too. She was like, is she actually this person or is she putting on for the camera? I don't know. I want to think that she is just because I don't personally like billionaires very much at all. I actually kind of hate them. So she can change the narrative. It might be closer to because there's two ways to go here.

It's either Janet in the Valley saying, oh, my God, I love going to Dave and Busters. And oh, my God, I love getting Taco Bell late night to try to be relatable. Or it's Lisa Barlow going to Wendy's. Like, I know. Lisa Barlow goes to Wendy's all the fucking time. She's been going to Wendy's for years. First episode, first season, I'm pretty sure she had a Diet Coke. She had a Wendy's Diet Coke.

Yeah. And her prize. Yeah. She did. And the prize. Like, she talks about it all the time. So I know that's genuine. It's just somewhere along the way, the lines have gotten a little skewed. And any time a Housewife tries to be overly relatable or try, you know, she's a billionaire. She's talking about Taco Bell. Like, it could be a funny story. And I'm kind of mad at myself.

Because I've allowed that to kind of crawl into my brain. I'm like, is he being genuine? Yeah, like, are you being legit right now? Did you actually get mad at your husband in Egypt because he didn't have like authentic Taco Bell food? Because if you did, that is fucking hilarious. And I want more of that.

Why do you not have Taco Bell there? That's a great follow-up question. Obviously, somebody should have asked that. Honestly, somebody should have asked that in the moment. But I, yeah, it's funny because now I think we're just always going to have that thought. Like, eh, I don't know. You being real? Because I like Taco Bell.

That's fair. And like, I will say the 2000. 2010 video does give me a little because you were saying it back in the day. And I want to believe it. I think with this show in particular, and I think it's very fair to have a lot of reservations. And I think that we have heightened awareness of things that we're worried about. So when it pops up, it's like, I don't know if I can dive in yet.

And I respect that. I'm not going to push you to where I'm at. But I will give you my perspective. And maybe we can, like I said, meet somewhere in the middle, which is fine for a beginning of a, a new series or new cast on a old series. But I understand where you're coming from with the Taco Bell thing. All that I've gotten from her thus far,

I believe she doesn't seem like stuck up. She doesn't seem like she's better than. There's a part of me that wants her to through the show. Let's say we get this cast and they're good enough. We get another season. I would love to see the trajectory of her being relatable. Give me three seasons. and she's getting used to that billionaire life.

And she's like, oh, ha, ha. And we see a nice shift. The biggest thing for me, and then we can dive into the episode is Daisy. And I enjoyed her this episode for the most part, but seeing her have those like Aaron moments. I'm like, I think you're near her. You're too near her. You're too near Aaron right now. It's rubbing off on you and not a good way, which is why I said, hopefully there's a wedge

after that little snafu at the end. So she can kind of go back to, she needs to be a standalone for a while. like figure shit out. You know what I mean? She absolutely does. I think Haley does a very good job of representing that. Now, Haley, even of her own accord, says she kind of disassociates from everything, which is just what she's always done.

And that's why she's able to achieve that so early on. But if we're looking at the OGs, we'll call them the three of them. I mean, Sai has integrated. Obviously, she's got a lot of shit going on. But she's integrated flawlessly. I mean, you don't even notice. And the Jessel Aaron thing, like, I think that Aaron is the bigger. monster right now. She's just dragging things down and making it so much not like just not fun at all

because she has that mentality of like I can dish it but I can't take it. And I hate that on housewives unless it's funny, unless everybody else realizes it. And they just continue to pick on her and then eventually it kind of breaks through and she kind of flips. That's what needs to happen. But this is now three seasons of ever doing this. That might just be who she is. And it's really annoying to watch. Jessel I'm still unsure of. She's somewhere in between closer to Eric. and then she is to sigh. But I'm worried that if Aaron's not there, does Jessel just kind of take that Aaron spot where then she's the annoying one?

Like I think that she might only at this point because Aaron's so bad, there's a chance that Aaron's terrible on-screen presence is kind of masking all of the bad things about Jessel. And I don't want to like, I don't want to analyze it. I just want to have a good time. And then there's things that pop up along the way from usually these three. And I'm like, okay, you know, figure it out. Or these two rather. I don't want to throw a sigh in there.

I'm like, please don't do this shit. Like, this is why your show wasn't good to begin with. You got a second chance. Try to change your tune a little bit. And I think that we're seeing, like, here's the thing. Because Aaron quite clearly is the problem. I think most people would agree with that. Like, we're watching her try to deviate back to what we used to see.

I don't know. Let's say we remove that from the equation of, like, the annoying one. I'm not so sure that Jessel falls into that place because I don't think that's what she wants to do. And there is a world. We don't have to fill the archetypes of old. We can come up with shit. And I'm not saying that. I'm just saying in general.

So I do think there's a world where it starts to take a different shape. I'm going to chalk up Aaron to being again, new season. She thinks she's an OG. She's trying to pretty much draw a line in the sand. She's the big dog pissing on things to claim ownership right now. And it's not working. But I'm trying to focus on the stuff that I am like. because I do think that like the DNA of this,

this episode was essentially a decent housewives episode because we got wealth, we got this, but let's jump in and we'll dig through the shit as we go. Because we are on mosquito island, as you said. Carol's on mosquito island, which I'll talk about later with the quote unquote potential drones, which was, you don't say that. But we get to meet everybody.

You get the state manager at Oasis. He had golf carts up the mountain. This is a fucking massive private island. It's gorgeous. It's awesome. This is wealth. We have wealth back in Rooney. That gets me excited.

This is not I have a Hampton's house that I'm going to break a pipe in, allegedly. This is money, money. And this is fun to see. We don't get to go to places like this. So I want to see it on TV. We get to meet everybody. Ivan the Butler, Jessel. This is why I was actually happy with Jekyll's episode because in the beginning of the episode,

it still felt as though she was trying a little too hard. as it starts to go through, because the one thing you can bank on with Jessel that's going to play to her favor and to our favor as an audience, she gets over things. She gets irritated and it's like, I don't want to do this anymore,

which is kind of what we want because we want to move on from the Aaron stuff. So I do think that like the more that she starts to get comfortable around the newbies, her and Erica seem to be hitting it off, her and Carol seemed to be hitting it off despite having that little thing in the beginning. I think the further she's deviating away from Aaron

the more she's going to go away from like those habits of the original reboot. Like I think she'd like, wait, I don't want to do this anymore. Like these ladies are much more fun. I'm going to go hang out with them. And you kind of saw that honestly throughout the episode because by the end, she's making the jokes. Like she's having a good time. Aaron's like, that's despicable. She's like, I didn't say scam.

I said insurance thing. I'm like, oh, yay, fun, spin. Yeah, we love a good spin. So that made me excited. is that a spin though? Because when you read that, it's like, no, it's the same thing.

It's the same thing, but her trying to argue that's not funny. Yeah, it's not even semantical. It's the same thing. But it is funny that she at least did that. And look, I mean,

there was a potential pitfall for Jessel. She didn't fall into it, at least not yet, where she could have said, I've been here before. Let me show you around. We talked about it last week. Like,

don't do it. Do not do that unless it's kind of funny, but she didn't do it. So I'm okay with that. And I just like everybody kind of like gawking around it. And like you said, yeah, we've got wealth back here. I want to see what we do with it. I want to see how it goes and see what happens. Because I do think the first episode, especially just kind of like cutting off the whole travel portion, this first episode

should mostly be like a setup because eventually you kind of get into it. It's a long travel day. You have dinner. People are a little ordery. They're all over the place. And then the second day is like, all right, let's talk about all of our shit. We've got all day to do it, all day to have drinks and just really get into everything and see where we are at the end of that second day, because that second day dinner is typically the big blowup where everything just kind of comes out and like word vomit. So I'm looking forward to that still. And obviously that's still on as far as I'm concerned. But I was surprised to see how much actually happened along the way here where people were still like, yeah, we want to talk about things. And obviously the side thing, the timing of it all is

insane as we're going around showing everybody their rooms and seeing who's going to stay with who. I kind of raised an eyebrow at Carol and and Jessel staying together. It didn't really make a ton of sense, but I guess when you really think about it, it kind of does a little bit. I think that charity dinner. I think that they're okay. Yeah.

Well, that could be it. And obviously, you know, Daisy, Haley, Aaron, they all seem to be getting along. So there's no issues there, which is good. That's where we want to start a trip. We want to make sure that these things are kind of copesthetic at least for now and just try to get into it a little bit. Now, I don't know. where do you want to go first?

Do you want to talk about the side thing and get it out of the way? Yeah. Because I do think we get fits and pieces and then we kind of just get into it because she's, you know, wants to talk about everything and she's nauseous. Yeah. So we find out that on the way to the airport essentially or the night, like very late the night before as she's packing.

That's right. She's packing for this trip, getting ready to go. David, husband of the ear, which I'm finding out a lot about that guy, he takes the kids upstate to their house. house in upstate New York for spring break. She gets a text. It says, oh, my God, are you okay?

Gets another text. Oh, my God, are you okay? Then she gets multiple texts. He filed. So, David, to our knowledge, right, and we take the side of the housewives, always, to our knowledge, what had occurred was she wanted to get divorced. He seemed so but heard about the premise of it, that she's like, let's get separated. Behind her back, without telling her anything, he makes the first move. We've seen this on Housewives, many times we've seen the dudes got to drag their feet

and then out of nowhere. Like fucking Ralph had to race Drew to the courthouse. Remember that? Drew got through the first. Oh, yeah. So he backdoors the whole thing. Cy finds out through the media, through the press,

somebody sends her a TMZ article, which sucks. And it's even more layered because, She has tried so hard for years to paint this picture that her and David were this loving, happy relationship that he was providing in a lot of ways. She was pulling her own weight. Don't get me wrong. She was always doing well. But the idea that we all had because of what she portrayed was that David was the breadwinner.

They lived this lifestyle because of David. And she made a lot of money. Finding out he doesn't make shit. You didn't have a job. But then it confused me later. And I don't know if you can shed light on it or maybe. somebody in the comments. Because when somebody says, and if this is just the spin zone of the media and people

being shitty people trying to say that Cy's using him for money, I'm like, okay, wait, does he have family money? Or are they still implying that he's the breadwinner? Because we now know that Cy was the one making all the money. I mean, he used her credit card for their anniversary dinner. Correct. For their big dinner that they were going to do. So, like, the dude's broke.

I think the story was a couple of years ago that he had a company and he sold the company so that he could retire. And then he just kind of went on and did like volunteer work, which sounded great. And I think that was kind of going to say what Sye is trying to tell us now, which was, yeah, we had this whole story kind of lined up and I made it look all picture perfect. And I didn't really want to get into it because I didn't think that that was something that I could do on TV. But here we know, there were a lot of things going on and there were a lot of bad things going on. And he's kind of a piece of shit.

I mean, anytime the way it plays out, there's really only one way this happens. he took the kids he knew she was going on a trip and he took that opportunity to go filed for divorce slimy and then i know it's public record and this is where it gets kind of hairy for me i know it's public record and i know that you know maybe if there's kind of sharks in the water and people have it out there they might have like a word search type of thing where if size name pops up TMZ or those other like bloggers will find out right away when it gets filed yeah it's just dirty but like Like, if that happened or did somebody kind of tip it? Or did David tip it?

Because that's where it's getting weird for me anyway. Because it's not like side did it. I mean, I believe her. Like she seems shell shocked. We see her get out of the car and go to the airport by herself and she has to go on this trip. And I agree with her. It's probably the best thing that she can do right now.

It's not like, yes, the divorce came out of nowhere, but it's not like you guys were great. It's not like, was it Lenny and Lisa? Lenny and Lisa was the crazy one. That was blind. She was trying to. she was trying to work through it. And then he just filed her divorce and locked her out of the house and then Lenny's mom kicked her out.

So that was a really bad one. So it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, it was leading up to that. But I thought we were working on it. So I'm a little blind side of a little shell shocked. But also I'm going to go away for the weekend. Like I don't want anybody out there saying like, oh, yeah, he's got your kids. And he went away and you still chose to go to the islands. Like, no, I kind of get that.

Like she still trusts him as a dad. There's obviously fucked up things within their relationship. so she's going to go on this trip, which I think is the right move. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. The whole thing is very hairy. It's been hairy since day one. I don't want to read too much into it because it's so different than what Sai was presenting us with in the reboot, the original reboot.

Where now I'm like, you know what? This actually does kind of line up with what was going on. And maybe that explains some of the behaviors that we saw along the way where you were flipping out of certain people for certain things that didn't really make a ton of sense. But I'll just chalk it up to that's how the show was going. This makes more sense to me. So I'm just going to run with this.

No, I agree. And I again, I will give her a lot of credit. This was the hang up with Sy. This was our issue with Sy in the first reboot was, who are you? Like, I don't believe you. And what's going on in your life? She's ripped off all the Band-Aids. Now she's telling us everything that's going on. It did appear scenes from next week. I don't know if this is camera magic. I don't know if this is actually going to turn up something. It made it seem like she was accusing Aaron of potentially leaked. something or talking about something, which would be confusing. But I wouldn't put it past a housewife to have those Google Pings on for their castmates and be like, ooh, look, we just pop the per side. And then she's kind of talking to so-and-so ends up at TMZ. I don't know. But that did appear when she says the line, A, must be boinking your mouth so hard.

Your lips are so loose. Yeah. I'm taking it more because I think the context of the conversation was, Who did you tell that we were even separated in the first place? Which that was already kind of a question. And we kind of saw that where Sy was talking to Jessel in the first episode saying she likes to play things close to the chest. Like, yes, Aaron knows, but that's pretty much it, especially for the cast. And then a few other people know what's going on in my life.

So I don't know contextually where we're going to go with that or who Aaron could have told. And maybe it got back to Sy. And it's like, who the fuck are you telling? Can I trust you with anything is probably where we're going with all of that. but yeah, I mean, look, I'm okay. This is like a true witch hunt, if that's how it's going to play out. Like, yeah, you know what? Go get Aaron.

She's being a tyrant. I don't want to deal with her anymore. So go ahead, like gang up on her and maybe it'll knock some sense into her. Probably not. We've seen that happen before in, I forget where they were. That was also a cast trip on an island or a tropical place. But we don't have to go back to that place. I'm not going to even talk about it.

No. Anyway, after that conversation happens, Sy, I lets us know what's going on. She lets the ladies know what's going. on. We find it about Kendra, who's Eric was alter ego, that's where the Taco Bell thing comes in

in this alleged deep love for Taco Belt. I hope it's real. I hope it's legit. I hope that she has fake sneakers and shops on Amazon and goes to Costco because then it makes her be like one of us. It could just simply be. She's from Waco.

She actually is down to earth. My thingies are crossed. I've gotten more vibes that that is who she is than not. So that I'm happy about. I haven't seen anything. I'm like, oh, wait a minute.

that that be the real you everything seems genuine no and it's not an indictment where i'm coming from it's not an indictment on erika or anything that she's shown us it's an indictment on what we've already seen where i do have those questions it's trauma from other housewives trying to be relatable like it just doesn't really work if you're being genuine it's cool and it is a really cool moment and you can swing your way not that she needs the money but you could swing your way into a taco bell endorsement you can be like devante adams and have a taco bell legitimately in your living room which is true it's actually in his living room. It's fucking insane. But those are the things that you could get into. And I would

love to see that for you if it's genuine. So it's not really, again, it's not an indictment on Erica or anything that she said or done. I believe her for what it's worth. It's just tough. And in the world of social media now too, I saw a TikTok earlier where a girl was claiming that she was asked to be a housewife Brony a couple of years ago when they originally did the reboot. And lo and behold, she went to grade school or middle school or high school with Erica and said that she was a big bully. I'm like, you know what? This is where social media had to go away. This is where social media has to fucking go away and I

don't want to deal with it. Like certain things yes, creep into the world of housewives all you want because it does make things a little bit more fun. No, I don't want to do that. It's just annoying. Unsubstantiated and just like, who are you? I don't know. If she was actually like this awful bully, it's a different

story. And that's the thing too. The like the disposition of the woman who was telling this story was pretty much she could have changed. I haven't seen her in like 20 years. It's like you're still throwing it out there saying that she bullied you when you were 10 years old. Who the fuck cares? Stop it.

You stop it. Yeah, I agree. But anyway, we get Jessel and Carol. And like I said, we seem to have a new friendship budding with these two. This scene. We get back to love story somehow because we knew the dingbat thing. And again, I was like, all right, fun. Like, yeah, we throw little things around.

Let's just poke. Talk some people. shit. Term of an deer mile. Yeah, and go to dinner. Great. But Jessel and I, you know, makes sense. She's trying to clear the air with the Carolyn Beset thing.

She's like, look, and this should have been the end of this. This should have been Carol going, you know what? Yeah. She did have a sense of style. It is minimalistic in a lot of ways and very cute. And I can understand why people are getting into it. But no, she's like, look, she had an iconic style. and that's what I meant.

That's all I meant. I just wanted to be private again. It's not. You wrote a book. You wrote a book. Come on. And I guess the book is more about like her husband's passing. So like,

but still, you wrote a book about it. I'm not going to fall back on what I've said. I just, I guess my problem is this. I don't understand how you can gatekeep something that is, it's a pop culture now.

And I'm not saying that's right. I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not saying anything. I'm saying it is. The love story happened. That was also not like some crazy story nobody had ever heard. People have known about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bissette forever.

Like that was why they made the show about this was to figure that out. This could have simply been a moment where Jessel's saying, it's borderline us honoring Carolyn Bissette because she was such an icon, because her style was such, like, so iconic. And somehow it still gets to this weird. moment where it's like, I just don't, I don't,

I want it to be private again. It's like, well then you're boring. You're boring. You're boring. Yeah, you are boring. And when Jessel tries to open up to you,

you, you call drone and I'll. Yeah, the drone thing. Private Island, a little PTSD. Yeah. What's going on there?

There's a couple moments. I'm like, ew. It's like, it's not like love story was produced by Ryan Murphy, who's out there like fetishizing serial killers.

It was like a real, fucking funny. I don't think it would have. I, anytime I see a show pop up from him, I'm like, oh, God. People would have been like, oh, wow. Exactly. He thinks he's so fucking cool. I can't say.

But anyway, um, so it's, it's not like it's like that. But you know what's funny? I actually kind of took this conversation differently, knowing what we know about what Jessel's currently doing at work. And she's really trying to push. Oh, she's trying to get her blessing. She's trying to get her blessing. or get ahead of it.

Yeah, probably get ahead of it. But I took it almost like she was trying to get Carol's blessing. Like, oh, man, I really stepped in it. How do I go about this where it's not going to piss off Carol when she eventually finds out that I'm launching a Carol in the set summer?

I'm launching an entire line. And I'm going to try to say I'm paying homage to her. And then I'm going to try to get Carol on board. And if I get a Carol on board, she was best friends with her. Maybe she'll actually help with the marketing. Oh, that could really work.

Like, that's, I think, how Jessel's mind works. I didn't see this as like a genuine, let's sit down and talk about this, because I didn't like where we left those things off. And it could have been.

It very well could have been. But I think it's a little funnier to think that maybe she's just trying to get her blessing so she can go back to work and be like, all right, that little hiccup I talked about last week. Don't worry about it. It's not going to be a problem. Let's move forward.

I love that idea. And honestly, I think there's, that's the root of it. I don't know if it's to get ahead of it or if it's she wants to, I would love the idea of her trying to get her involved in this campaign. It's like roll her out as like, I have a model some of the clothes.

Yeah, she won't honestly. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. When you are on the Epstein list and you're on a private island and you interrupt the conversation of Jessel and we, Jessel never opens up. That's another issue we've had with her. He doesn't talk about her things.

Here she is going, you know what? I can understand the pain because my dad passed a few years. What the hell is that? Is that a drone? No, it's a bird. Why would you think it's a drone? What the fuck? On a private island, Carol, you on a private island, you should never say, oh, God, is that a drone?

Okay. No, absolutely never. You should also say, is that a secret room? Like, don't do those things. Let's not talk about these things. There's no secret room behind the bookcase. Don't go looking. We're going to see Carol at some point.

point looking around to see if there's like some weird hallway or something. Yeah. Yeah. Like, please don't do those things. But yeah, I mean, to your point about Jessel, like, yeah, we never really see her open up. And the way that she started the conversation, I wanted to see where it was going because she starts off by saying, you know, this is how I handle things. And when my dad passed away, I just sort of stonewall. I just sort of block those things out. Like I couldn't see pictures of my dad. I couldn't do these things. And I know, yeah, if you want to try to figure out where she was going to go with that, because I did. I really want to know how she was going to tied that into the Carolyn the set thing.

Like, hey, you see all those people that are like celebrating love story and trying to read into Carolyn's life, just fucking block them out. They don't matter. Nothing matters. And like, that's not terrible advice to be honest, but Carol seems to be on one with this whole thing. And like, that's her prerogative. I don't really care. I think it's a little annoying just because

it's the only thing that she really talks about. Otherwise, I understand where she's coming from. But I really wanted to see how Jessel was going to tie all that together. Have a nice moment talking about her dad. Maybe open up a little bit to somebody that she just met a couple of weeks ago. That would be a big step for Jessel. And instead, Carol may have seen a drone. Oh, nope. It's just a bird. Okay. Cool. Hey, Carolyn, that was not a drone. That was a, I mean,

Carol, I'm so sorry. That was enough for her to be like, I don't even know if she called her dingbat. They inserted that in there. That could have just been the audio, honestly. I don't really, no fucking clue how that works. But yeah, I mean, that's enough to really like ruffle Carol's feathers. And again, get over it. Enough. It's just too much. Yeah, it just, again, it disrupts the flow. And we are finding a decent flow with this show. Like when you have the newbies, jessel, even this episode, there's a flow. It's consistent.

Like I was on the stairs as I normally am. Remember half on the stairs, half in the sauna. That's how I watch the show on the stairs. And like, for example, with OC, right, I don't look at the time on the stair master because I don't want to see it. I don't look at the time on my phone. And then eventually I'm like, all right, I got to look. with OC, I'll be like, it's been an hour. And I look, it's like, it's been 10 minutes.

With this, I got halfway and didn't realize it. I love it. I was like, oh, shit, okay. And that's what I'm talking about when you get invested in an episode and you're enjoying it. It's like, all right, we're moving. Hard stop on certain things. One of those now being the love story thing, the other one, the more glaringly

obvious one, because I can get over the love stories. I can get over that. Maybe Carol's just getting her feet wet again. Like, it just takes some time. and then she'll be back in like six episodes total. That'd be fine. Yeah. But I also, we keep,

we keep talking about the time of the episodes. Like, it's very relatable for me and you. I don't think anybody else out there is watching any of these shows and clicking. I'd be curious. Like, fuck, there's still 24 minutes left. Oh, here we go.

With OC, I bet they are. With OC, they're just not watching anymore. Like, when we talk about like a disruption, I imagine that's usually when someone's sitting on the couch is like, all right, I'm going to check my phone.

It's an errand scene doing whatever. I'm just going to check my phone. I'll check back in when Daisy pops up or when Haley pops up. But for us, it's like, I got to check and see how much time's left. Where are we going? Yeah, sound off in the comments. I'm curious how other people watch it that way. This episode is sponsored by Vinted.

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and why she is in a bit of a tizzy. Because of the house, the pipe exploding. They got four kids, Mescaloom, their 50K in the hole. All right, so here's my thing. Overall, and this is what gives the general. vessel thing, more credence, and why it's like, yeah, dude, all right, is it kind of fucked up to say, like, are you committing insurance fraud? Yeah, sure. This is a housewife show? Yes,

it is. Can you get up in arms about it? You sure can, but here's the problem. If we go through everything over the past four years, you took a year off, two years when you were on the show originally. We have that bizarre Bitcoin thing that we haven't really talked about because it happened towards the end. And it kind of was a quick little flip and then it went away because it was paused. Abe sold a substantial amount of Bitcoin without your knowledge and drops it on you out of nowhere. Now we have Mezz Kalum, 50K in the hole. You got the Hampton's house with the bird, at least. Yeah. If she says 50 on TV, it's 100. 100. Yeah. The Hampton's house, apparently not paying your rent. Apparently you have all these discrepancies. Like when you start,

digging through your shit. It's fucking messy, bro. There's a lot going on there. And when you start throwing cryptocurrency into the mix too, I'm like, you're, something's going on. It's sketchy. And it doesn't look good. And you getting all up in arms and butt hurt about everything, rather than having a

real response. It's sketchy. You're sketchy, bro. It is. And part of me is upset that Daisy even let her in on this. Because like, you know how she's going to react. And we still having gotten into it like yeah you want to sit down and have a conversation with jessel and try to clear the air how many times have you guys done that doesn't really work yeah you're right that's a good

point maybe we should just coexist and stop doing this because it's got to be tiring and it's got to be tired for the audience and continue to watch that throwing in another wrinkle i'm like oh please don't tell her that like we could talk about that at some point bring it up at the dinner table yes bring it up at the dinner table in front of everybody else that's a better move and again daisy's news so she doesn't know any better. And maybe she is friends with everyone and she just wanted to like kind of give her a heads up. But it didn't really seem like the good time to do it. Not that there is, but we would have preferred dinner. And you see her go on this tirade after like a nothing conversation about not getting along with Jessel. It's like, okay, whatever. Going on the

tirade and just immediately turning to that's despicable. I can't believe that they would do that. And it's the two of them doing that. It's Erica too. I can't believe that. I'm so distressed. I'm going to walk away and freak the fuck out. I've never gone that low. And you can see it like because the next scene is pretty much Erica going through and telling all the women like where dinner's going to be, which is a very funny thing. Hey, we're going to have dinner in the pool. Very funny.

Yeah, we'll get to that in a sec. And you can see the distress on both of their faces, which is a talking point because Eric can kind of like figure out what's going on and feel like it's very weird vibes in there. But you see the two of them. It's like, fuck, you guys have been sitting there. Aaron's been stewing for hours probably just going off about the two of them. We don't have footage of it because fuck, who cares? And Daisy's sitting there, maybe buying into some of it, but probably just taking the brunt of it while Aaron's going off in their

little villa. It's a mess. Like, it's just a total mess. This reaction is crazy. You are on a housewife show. You shouldn't get this butt hurt. You can get a little butt hurt, but you should have some sort of return fire to go after them. And it seems like her immediate response is, fuck them. They're gross. By the way, Jessel, I could ruin her family. Because She made a light comment about what we're all thinking at home because like what you just said. She didn't have to say it for us to jump to that conclusion allegedly. Dude, even if you're not doing your homework and looking and saying, Abe sold Bitcoin, it was a weird thing.

You're in the hole with Mezcalum. Even if that didn't happen, if any housewife has any pipe issues and it condemns the whole house and we have to do all these things and get insurance about 90% of people to watch housewives are like, yeah, I wonder how they're doing. going on there. It's a normal response, unfortunately. It just is a normal response. So you should not be able to get this upset.

It's just, it takes away from everything. I agree. And that's the hard stop we were talking about with the flow of the show. And that's what's funny with Aaron in particular. I never have gone that low. Did you not just at Passover go after a Haley who called you jam? Yeah. And bring up the most traumatic moment of her entire life that she says changed her

as a human being, that's pretty fucking low, dude, for being called jam. And your response to that, they were talking behind my back. That's all you do. All you do is talk shit. We saw you on another show for a minute, 60 seconds. You know what you did the whole minute? You talk shit about people behind your back, dude. Yeah.

That's what drives me nuts with Aaron is like the hypocrisy. And we talk about hypocrisy a lot. Like, it's not like she's the only housewife that says something and does something different but you are the most hypocritical i've seen in a while you get so upset about certain things that you will do in the same episode that does not work doesn't work for the audience like you said like sitting at home watching this you're like okay like we're really going to have a meltdown over her saying lightly oh is an insurance again all of us are thinking it if roney the og not the reboot the OG Roney, that would just be another conversation.

That would be nothing. It would be like, oh, is she doing the insurance thing? I don't know. Let's press her about it. Okay. And then they press her. They're like, no, I'm not doing that. And say some shit back.

And that would be it. But instead, she has a full blown meltdown, which also is kind of sketchy, if you really want to talk about it. And like storms off. And then she's going to be all weird. And it's not like fun where in other housewives, if they're standoffish or like, you know, people try to be nice. they don't know what's going on.

They're just like kind of doing their own thing. And it comes off kind of funny. That's not what this is. This is like just two different shows. This is watching people on a private island have fun. And then Aaron trying to be super duper real world realistic. Like this is too far. So now we're going to enter into this real life thing on TV where it's like, I'm not going to put up with this shit.

Like, eh. Eh. Nah. Yeah. It's not fun to watch. It takes away from all of the fun of the show. because now we have to worry how Aaron's going to react to everything. Honestly, at the end of the day, it's just getting you involved in the show.

I mean, they're going to get to a point where they don't even want to talk to you anymore. Like, I imagine, and this might be best case scenario, the rest of the cast is going to group up in a way. Let's not include Aaron. Like, yeah, she can come to the parties and stuff, but like, I don't, if she's talking shit over there, let her talk her shit, we're not even really going to directly talk to her. We're not even going to get her involved in any of the other things going on. She can have her comments here and there, whatever. That's enough.

And that might be best case scenario at this point with her unless she figures something out. And like it's getting to the point. And if she's not already there, that she's too far gone. And that's what I'm worried about. And that's what's interesting. And that's where I think, you know, we talked about Jessel and Aaron thinking that they're above the rest of the casting, that they're, oh, geez, their vets, all that stuff. It seems as though at least it's only one episode.

But Jessel is starting to. kind of join the rest of the cast. I think this was much less of Aaron and Jessel were there before and here's the newbies. This was much more, here's the cast, here's Aaron and Daisy weirdly, which I'm not, I'm not throwing out like the flag

I think she'll be fine. I agree. Don't think that to worry. I think there was just like, you know, early missteps. Newhouse like early missteps. You got dragged down by the bummer of the group. It sucks. It happens. You know, we're not going to ding you for it.

just, you know, do better next time. But the, like you said, the scene of her walking around telling people, hey, dinner's in the pool. This to me personally, sounds like what's somebody who just came into a billion dollars but didn't grow up. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, yeah. In the pool, right? We should eat in the pool. Rich people eat the pool.

There's a shallow end of that pool. What do we do with the shallow edge? I mean, like we've like little floats that you can kind of lay on and then you can put your drink down if it's tall enough and put it in there. we walk in it, you know, get your feet wet a little bit. Do you think a table would fit? No. No? Why?

Why? What the fuck would we do? Well, I don't know. And then we've shorter lids. And then if everybody wears shorts, you know, we're at the beach. Nobody wears shoes at the beach. It's so, like, this is what makes me think that Erica is actually relatable. And I think you kind of hinted that too, where it's like, it doesn't make any fucking sense. Like, no normal billionaire would ever recommend that or anybody who's been around a lot of money would recommend that.

But if I got a billion dollars, I'd be like, yeah, fucking, I'm still at the beach. I'm not going to wear shoes. Shoes at the beach. As soon as I cross the threshold of the beach into a beach town, we're probably not really wearing shoes that often. So why are these women wearing shoes? This is weird to me.

So that makes me think a little bit more about Erica being authentic. Yeah, and them eating in the pool is hysterical. We'll get there very shortly, especially because I'm assuming it's like 65 maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Like, is they all cold or at your feet or in the wall? You're probably shivering. It was very funny.

But we get this scene. This was awful. This was such a tough look. And Daisy, I could have chalked it up, but she's involved in this. So I got to ding her for this one. Aaron and Daisy are sitting there. And now that Aaron, like you said earlier, now that she has had a bad moment, now she's going to start saying stupid things.

Now she's going to talk shit, but I don't think she actually felt this way until this moment. Now she's going to try to throw stones. I'm not impressed by this. It's not that great. Martha would think this is a dump. It is. They don't have any stuff.

I thought they owned their own island. This is just a house on an island. Why didn't we fly private here? All right. You know what? And I wrote this in my notes because I was defending it originally. Like, that's not nice. Days, you got popcorn ceilings, dude.

This is a private island. Like, what are you talking about? Aaron, you don't have a house anymore. The Hampton's house is underwater. And you're also talking about it like you lost everything. like you're never going to recover from this. That's a different story for a different day. Guys, you can't sit in the house of a billionaire,

bu, be billionaire on their island that they own with six other billionaires. Okay, fine. And talk shit about that island. Could you say, like you said earlier, she did kind of lead on as though this was her own very island? Sure, and we could talk about that. But these are two different things. You guys can't sit here because you are Martha Stewart's makeup.

artist, which by the way, she made it very clear to all of us in one scene at lunch, you are extremely expendable. You are not that. You are not friends. You are friends by circumstance because you do her makeup. But she was reminding you via her publicist. She didn't even have to look at you and say it. Her publicist said, remember who butters your bread, aka you are an employee, dude,

and you are not Martha Stewart. You live in an apartment, a rent control apartment with popcorn ceilings. You cannot sit here on. an island and go, I could never. Like, it's very, very tough look. You know what the worst part is? It takes away from me being able to do that because I wanted to do it. I wanted to be the one to sit here and say,

I'm not really impressed. Not really impressed. It should be better decorated. There should be better furniture. I'm sorry. Now as soon as these two start going off, these two dumbasses start talking about it because they're all upset. It makes me feel like I need to go back and say,

you know what, Erica, you're a billionaire, you do whatever you want. I don't get to sit here and judge, which really pisses me off because that's something I'm very good at. And I would have gone through and done the whole thing. And it's funny because even the trailer, the, yeah, it wasn't mid-season trailer, but the trailer going into it and like the weeks leading up and whatever,

I didn't think they were talking about Erica's house. I thought they were talking, they went somewhere else. They went up to the Hamptons. And Aaron was bitching about someone else's house. Maybe it was Daisies or Haley's or whatever. I didn't think in a million years they were talking about, Eric's house.

And then when I see the house, I'm like, I got, I got a couple of qualms. I better write these bad boys down. You know, it's just, it's too minimalistic for me. There should be some cool shit. There's not enough cool shit for me. I'm unimpressed. These two go off on their tangent. I have to swing back the other way because I'm not side.

Yeah, you can't get in there. Because I know what they're only doing it because they're upset. Aaron's only doing it because she's upset. Daisy's doing it. And this is something she needs to kind of shake loose. You don't have to agree with everybody and also talk shit with the other person who's talking shit. It's gotten me into trouble twice because I'm sure this is going to come back where we start talking about Erica's house and then it comes back to Aaron and Daisy, much

like it did with them talking about the insurance fraud with Daisy involved. Pick and choose your battles. You don't always have to agree with the person who's talking shit. You can kind of, you don't have to defend them, but you don't have to add to it. I'm curious where I'm going to fall on the Martha Stewart rich by association, because there's times where I'm like, it could be very funny, especially if you're trying to flex, like you do at dinner. And when Erica gets her sea legs and gets a little bit more season, then she's like, timeout, I am, I actually am a billionaire.

Who the fuck are you talking to? That'd be a really good payoff. There's also a world where if she always pulls out the Martha card to be like, well, Martha and I, I think I'm going to get annoyed, but I don't know which way I'm going yet. It depends on where Daisy is. So this episode is a good litmus test because Daisy, was sided most of it with Aaron. That's why it annoyed me.

That's definitely why it annoyed me. If she is entertaining and she's involved in things and fun and good with the drama and always doing weird shit, like we kind of got used to with her. And then obviously she dipped into the Aaron hole. If she stays in her own lane and brings up the Martha thing, funny. I'm on board with it. Or I won't really care that much if it gets to be too much. But if you're more like Aaron and you kind of side with her too much and you start

bringing that shit up, it's going to be annoying. and we're going to call you out for it every single time. So she just needs to pick and choose. Yeah, that's a good point. I think it's who you're with when you bring it up. It does make a lot of sense. And, you know, Erica and Jessel talking about before we get to dinner, it was a very quick scene, but it is worth noting.

And Jess has been around the longest. Seems like Aaron's kind of clawed onto Daisy. I'm like, yes, thank you. I see it too. And you know what? I don't care for it. I don't care for it one bit. I think that this scene we're about to talk about kind of.

kind of clears everything up, but not before Carol says some weird shit again. Yep. I'm going to keep calling it out. I've been everywhere. Most beautiful place. I've never, I've never been to a place like this. I've never been to an island like this in my whole life. Okay.

Never. Why are you asking? We didn't. Ah, yeah. Nice island. Getting ahead of it. Gotta get ahead of it. No, I mean, scenes from next week with, it looks like Cy's the one to presser.

Sy is the one that needs to press. Yes, for sure. Because that, especially with her state of mind right now, she wants to get, she wants to get out of her own brain. She wants to go after Carol and talk about the Epstein list because it is the elephant in the room. Go for it. That's, that's the person that I want. Agreed. I think she's the most qualified to handle that whole thing.

And it's going to be, that's going to be interesting to hear her responses. And we will save that for next week. But yeah, I was actually kind of baffled when I saw that. I heard like the Epstein. I was like, whoa, we're going to do this? Okay, good. Let's get into it. But we get to dinner.

And, you know, I love the setup because this to me is exactly what this whole show should be about. And like what I wish all of the ladies heard sigh interconfessional say, I don't want to hear about anyone who's mad or sad. My divorce is all over the tabloids. I just want to have a good time. That doesn't mean we can't have drama. And this would have been a very interesting time. Let's say we're vibing at dinner.

We're drinking. We're having fun. Everyone's viving. And then bam, insurance fraud comes out of left field. That's a very different scene. That's a lot of fun. And we're in a pool and it's going to rain.

Yeah, fuck yeah. Give me all of that. But we jumped the gun with the insurance thing. And that's kind of what's sigh saying that. One tells me that she is much more self-aware this season and how the show functions, which makes me very excited. But two, it's a good message for the cast.

let's have fun and shit's going to happen especially with this group there's some wacky people in this group let's not jump the gun let let let it happen it's also it kind of draws the line of the sand of which side do you want to be on for the whole cast because i i think we kind of need that too it shows how much you actually care about what size going through if you actually give a shit and if you actually want to make sure that she's good and honestly just adjust for whatever you're feeling to make sure that she's cool and you don't want to start unnecessary shit because she doesn't want you to, at least for the first night. Like, I think you get a pass as we go further into this trip.

But right now, the first day, you just find out that this is what's going on with Sai, maybe just temper a little bit and wait a little bit. If you go overboard right away and you think about yourself, that means you're selfish and you don't really care. And I think Sye kind of needs to see that. And maybe that's kind of how we evolve to where we are for scenes from next week with Cy and Aaron, where we get into all of that. And she just kind of goes off on her.

And rightfully so, that's totally fine. because Aaron needs that right now. So I think it's checked in a big way. It's it almost, it sets the bar for where we're going to go and if we're going to respect that or not and see where things are going to trickle in because if it's a completely unnecessary issue, why are we even talking about it right now?

If it's something that needs to be spoken about, then it kind of goes over and I will get involved. So she'll almost be like our, our canary in the, in the coal mines town. Yeah. Yeah, down on the mines. Yeah, that's, that's kind of what we need.

yeah i if she can get in aaron's head and check her like dude and shake her a little bit that's kind of perfect scenario and it does we're gonna get that whether it works or not i don't know that tbd on erin and whether or not she can figure it the fuck out i'm yeah leaning towards no but you know fingies crossed we'll see if jessel can figure it out maybe aaron can too but that's when we start questioning the island and daisy's like and this i had no problem with this to me this is how this should have gone like when they're talking shit in the room like this is funny where you're clearly jealous of her so you're sitting at the table in her private island in her pool and like you said i figured you wanted to be the one to be like that's not really their island

but now you can't but yeah she's grilling her like is this your island or someone else's she's like well seven of us we all mistaken it essentially we're paying like HOA's it's like okay well you keep saying say it's right is like majority stakeholder Or like Richard Branson owns. It's fun. Nearly Aaron Googled it. She's like Richard Branson owns it. I googled it.

Yeah. Richard Branson is one of the owners. Yes. And then the rest are. That is, I believe it, equal split. So anyway, that's when Jessel, speaking for all of us, I don't even have an island. Like, what are we doing?

But this is okay. Like this I thought was funny. Like we can question the ins and outs of the island because the end of the day, Daisy, you are just riddled with jealousy. because you have popcorn ceilings and she has an island and that's funny. It is, it's legitimately what Housewives is all about.

You're bringing people with so many different backgrounds, so many different things going on in their lives that wouldn't typically be friends, having conversations like this. You would not get, and yeah, maybe Daisy via Martha Stewart would have a conversation with somebody, but she would never speak out of line with Martha there.

She's there by herself. She has these thoughts, they're intrusive, and she lets them out. Fine. I'm totally cool with that. You can question, Erica about who owns the islands because I do agree to a degree anyway that she did kind of lead

you to believe that she owned the whole island. She buried the lead a little bit. Her family, she definitely buried the lead. She didn't say, oh, you know, we own it with a couple other people. And you know, notably Richard Branson, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, whoever, she led you to believe that she owned the whole island. So it's a fair question and it's a fair conversation. And you kind of want to see these things because it is funny to question a billionaire what

they own and what they don't own. that's a very fun situation that you can really only get on a housewife show so i want to see more of that but again knowing where it comes from it comes from a place of jealousy but more than that it comes from a place of her and erin shit talking which is bad and that's not what i want no and it it tells you that daisy at least for the time being is in errands camp especially with the way that the dinner goes after that like people are are kind of jabbing back and forth when we get down to the because we get into the side stuff. We already talked about that.

Just more so, this scene is her clarifying. I'm done with this guy. Like I still had some kind of emotions towards him, but like that was the nail in the coffin. Fuck this guy. Hoping up to pay him, Alamon, or Haley said,

I love Haley. She is flawless in all episodes of this season. Her out of nowhere be like, whew, so we've done gun for Alibon. It's like, who, not the time, but very funny. Good point. But Daisy, and she does this.

She takes opportunities of somebody talking to somebody. She did a Passover and then shifts who the focus is on out of nowhere because she's like, ah, you know, a lot of my women friends make more mighty than their husbands now. Maybe not including you, Erica, which, yeah, okay, weird dig. It was weird, but also kind of funny. Like, I was still okay with it. It was fine with it. It's more, at least for my viewing pleasure, if you will, it's more just we haven't gotten a ton.

Obviously, you know, we know Eric is rich. We know what her husband does. But we haven't gotten her in terms of a housewife yet. So let's press her a little bit. This is a funny way to press. And you know what? Maybe you stepped in it or not. I'm not the one who has to deal with the repercussions.

I want to see how it unfolds. So I'm still on the side of like, yeah, this is still fair. Just like questioning who owns the island. Like this is still cool. But then you realize it happened back to. back you're like oh yeah you didn't really give her a chance to breathe in there she's still processing the fact that you're questioning who owns the islands now you're doing that it almost seems targeted which i don't think that they're like i'm going to get ahead of this now i don't

think daisy has it out for erika in anyway i think she's jealous i think she's jealous i think she got a little stuck on it because erin got into her head but overall i don't think there's any like weird animosity going on there with daisy and erika i think she has false 1% confidence. I think she's too close to Martha. I think that she thinks she's in that world. You're not. Erica is.

And you're going to find out, but I like that setup. I like having somebody that's going to question an actual billionaire that's living in a red control department with her husband, who she has already said is not like killing it. He's not doing bad.

But she said they're doing fine. So it's a very funny setup to me where it's like, Martha would hate it here. It's like, you're not Martha. You're Daisy. Very funny. But it's even funnier to me that we have this whole interrogation of you questioning this

island and her ownership of the island and whether or not it actually is her island, pretty much questioning her integrity and wealth. And she makes a popcorn ceiling joke. And then you act like you didn't just do all of that stuff, didn't just say to her, not all the women I know, not maybe not you, Erica. I sickled her out and she claps back with a very lighthearted tongue and cheek. She's smiling when she said, oh, like popcorn ceilings in regards to popcorn partners. Daisy's face is just, and I was fine with it.

Like the reaction to me, her getting indignant after doing something and then getting clapped back didn't have an issue with it. What I did have an issue with is Aaron jumping in now and taking it. a whole thing. We could have had a funny back and forth of like the popcorn ceiling thing and the island thing. That's boop, boop, boom, Aaron,

Captain Bummers. Oh, yeah? Well, I heard you laugh at a lot of other things. Oh, we're going to do the insurance fraud thing and make it seem like you're like, okay,

this is all right. Yep. It was just fucking weird. Like, look, if you have a problem, just say the problem. Like this was also,

this was another layer of annoyance for me. Just fucking. tell her what you're talking about. Don't sit there. Think real. You think real hard about what you. Shut up. Like you're at a fucking private island.

Enough. Just stop talking to her like a five year old. Like sometimes Aaron does that where she talks to the other people like it's whatever children, I guess. Very condescending. It's like no. It's very condescending and it makes no sense. And I know you've been stewing on it all day.

And that's the best you can come up with. That was your insertion into the conversation. Everybody knows that you're pissed off. They're trying to figure out why you might be pissed off. off. I think that Jessel and Erica are probably smart enough to realize, like, oh yeah, I guess based off of how Daisy's acting, she told her that we were talking a little

bit of shit, but Aaron always talks shit. And that's again, can dish, but can't take, which is a very annoying characteristic for her housewife. So it's just like, again, screeching haul. That's what we do. And like you said, we could have had a fun back and forth and we did end up getting

somewhat of a fun back and forth with Daisy trying to explain that it is very different. Like, I can make those jokes and they're self-deprecating and then we have to have a definition off about what self-deprecating means I hate my husband it's like well that's not so yeah but that was it's just a funny moment we could have had that here and it would have built off of it and we could have had more funny moments instead Aaron just like nope we're doing this right now I'm coming down hard but I'm not telling you why because I'm going to leave a little mystery out there I want you to realize what you did

and that'll tell me a lot because that means you've been thinking about it a lot it's like fuck off dude you're ruining the show you are ruining the show you are ruining the show honestly because when you see like the episode finishes out because now like you said we're doing the shit inside and daisy's going back and forth and jessel everyone else is like lighthearted like it's it's kind of awkward even though daisy's taking no accountability and erika and jess are getting thrown under the bus erika and jessel aren't like panicking like whoa whoa whoa whoa you're part of this shit here like hold on what does she tell you yeah and you have erin like stomping around this is despicable.

I will fucking, I will fuck. Do you understand? Do you understand me? It's like, dude, stop. Like, this is such a bummer. Like, everyone else is still having, like, a decent time. Daisy trying to backpedal out of talking shit and saying, I did it. First of all, let's get this straight.

I don't defend anybody, all right? Not nobody. I don't defend a soul. I never said I defended you. Which is funny. She didn't. No, she didn't. But she did jump in on the shit talk ever so slightly.

But the way she's pretty much saying, Yeah, but it's different. I didn't mean it like that. It was just outside of Aaron, I'm having fun. I'm out of a good time because everyone else is not taking it that seriously. And then you have Aaron again slamming the emergency break going, screwed. No, no fun allowed. I know we're on a private island.

I know we're trying to make this show work after two horrible seasons. But no, I will not give it up. I will not sit here and take things in stride and contribute to the conference. I'm going to act like her saying on TV, like you said, highlighting what we're all thinking at home is going to somehow ruin your entire life. The only way that it ruins your entire life is if you really are doing it. If you're not doing it, this should be a brush off. This should be a, that's fucked. And then go back at her.

Don't say I could ruin her life. Three years of this. I got like, dude, that's, that's not fun. That's dark. Like, I don't want to do that. I want to have, why does she do that? I don't know. But it's the same thing.

It's the same thing as the Haley thing at Passover. Like, why do you jump there? It's funny enough or like ho-hum, kind of funny, ha-ha. If you give her the jam, but it's like a boogey jam and you spent some money on it, then you can say, hey, I got you some jam because you think that I am jam, but don't forget, I'm boozy jam, I'm good jam. I'm the jam that you want on your table. That's good.

That is a very good response. It's good prop work and it makes sense. Instead, you take it that extra layer, which is a massive fucking layer and a huge jump into, hey, let's talk about the worst time in your life. And you're doing it again. You're literally doing it again. And so you got off easy last week. Like I think everybody else should have been like, fuck off, Aaron. Like, what are you doing?

Why would you do that? That should not happen. Like, yes, we can have productive conversations with Haley about it. And if she's very closed off to it, it might be a little weird. If she has a couple of questions, it's going to be interesting. What you did is wrong. You can't do it. It's just not fun.

It's not good TV. We don't want to watch that shit. And you're doing it again, like a week later. You didn't learn the first time because nobody bopped you. She needs to get bopped. And I think Sye's going to do that next week. I agree. And like when you break it down fundamentally, like the Aaron playbook, it's exactly what you said.

Like we're here, right? If this scale goes up, we're like right here. And yeah, it's like, sure. Is saying somebody's committing insurance fraud a big deal? yeah, if they're serious, but like, I don't think that Jessel's actually on TV going, I think they're committing insurance fraud. I think she's saying, yes, like just talk some shit, Aaron, chill the fuck out. Have a good time.

Don't go. If she had done, like you said, the boozy jam thing, but it's boogey, don't forget it. Yeah. Mike drop. Great. Fun. Yeah. Instead, we're here.

And Aaron's now taking the stance. I haven't done anything for you in four years. And I apologize. She's like, no, you didn't. You said I was this, this and that.

She's like, well, you are. It's like, well, what the fuck? Like, why would you expect Jessel to not talk any shit?

When you keep saying to other people that she's the fakedest person on Bravo, that she's full of shit that she always has been, that you're going to ruin her life. Like, just chill out, man. Like, just be cool.

Don't be all like, bizarre. It is. And it's like, I think that I've gotten to level playing ground with you. I think I've brought you into the middle where it's. Yeah, it's Aaron's problem. Yeah.

So I think if you get rid of Aaron, I think everything else kind of falls into place. And that's literally what I'm saying is there's your pitfall right there. It's just Eric. This could have been a very good. And again, I even said it, this is usually a setup episode. This would have been a great setup episode where we're talking about random shit. And we're talking about who owns the private island.

And like those are the things that you kind of want to see. And then tomorrow or next week, I guess for us, but tomorrow for you guys, get into some real shit. Talk about Carol being on the Epstein list. That's fun for me. Hell yeah. Let's do more things like that. But instead, it just gets so bogged down by Aaron and say it's what we've been talking about

the whole time. It's the flow. The disruption of the flow is keeping this from being a good show. I agree. It's still good in a lot of parts. And there's different things that you can kind of look at and say, there's a lot going on here. I like it. I like what's Sai's doing.

She's being open about things. There's more people that we're getting to know. And then boom, Aaron's going to stop it. And it's brutal. Yeah. Yep. I agree. Breaking news, by the way, just opened up to do questions.

Roslick star Whitney Rose files for divorce from Justin Rose after 17 years of marriage. Oh, yeah. Well, is that news? I wonder who beat that race. Did Whitney run? Yeah, I guess. Oh, yeah, the race to the courthouse. I don't know, but I bet she called our favorite.

talking head to break the news. I had the guess. I'm sure we scroll down. We'll probably see it. We'll see it. Yep. Breaking news. Here you goes.

But anyway, let's get to some questions. And I like this one up first from AZ Roxy 63. Is Erica the coolest young house? Or I'm just building up the, is she real or not real? Is Erica the coolest young housewife ever? She seems so real. I love her so far. I agree.

Shooter doesn't disagree. He's just traumatized and working through it. Yeah. I'm going to talk to my therapist about it. From Erica, Boz Holland. Who would you trust more with your secrets? Daisy from Rooney or Whitney from Salt Lake City.

Daisy. Daisy. No. We have a very long historical pack of data when it comes to Whitney. Yeah. It happened last week. Yeah. So, yeah, Daisy.

Mm-hmm. From Lindsey Bucks. Wait, so owning one seventh of a private island, isn't it enough for these ladies? I thought we were doing so well without the room choice fights, spoke to. So the room choice, yeah, we didn't get, again, we didn't get the travel episode. We also didn't get the room choice thing. There was no issues of the room choice. So those were two easy housewife tropes that just kind of went out the window.

And I'm okay with that. I don't need a room fight every single trip. But I'm also fine with owning one seventh of the house or of the, the private island not being enough. Like that's a funny thing that you wouldn't really think of that, yeah, I probably would have said, but you don't see a house might do it. No,

nope. Where to go? There you go. This one's important to address. Erica Baz Holland. Are you all ready to say Roney is so back? It's fun, low stakes and rich A-F, A-plus season for me. We don't say that anymore.

No, we can't do it. A few times and it's ruined things. So I'm not going to say it. I will. I'm in. I like this show. think it's good. I think that we're on to something here. We do need to figure out the errand of it all. It really quite is the only speed bump that we're having. It's a big speed

bump. It's one of the speed tables, you know, those fuckers. I hate those. I mean, talking about them on here multiple times. But yes, I agree with you, Erica. I think that we are definitely moving in the right direction, a lot of things to like. I just, that one sticking point is really dragging it down. Yeah. Yeah. From Pat Curran's, what do you guys think about having dinner in the pool, I would be so annoyed. Look, I think Erica had good intentions. I think she was trying to do something cool. But like Steele said, it was probably like 65 degrees, very windy, not good temperatures

out there for having that. You should have done it. Honestly, they should have done it the next day and had lunch in the pool. It's like hot out. You guys are all in like your swimsuits and you're in the pool already and you get back up and you can sit at the table. Like that's a cool touch where it's like, holy shit. They're setting up lunch in the pool?

That's awesome. instead they do dinner. So I think Erica had good intentions, pretty rough execution. So no, I would not want to do dinner in the pool. Which leads directly into Mary had a little's question or statement, I guess.

I love how Erica doesn't know how to be a billionaire. And I hope she never does. It's very fun. I love this. Like, I think this is what rich people would do. I'm going to do this. That's where the pool came from,

I believe. So yeah, I agree. I like watching her figure out how to have money. And like that much, that's what I said. I hope there's, I hope she's always cool,

but I do hope there's like a three to four season arc of like her slowly figuring out like, oh, wait, I have fucking money. I don't have to get shit. For sure. That's fingers crossed. From Little Library in 2004, would Martha really think that Bistquito Island is dumb?

I think she would have, after seeing that conversation that she had at lunch with her publicist and Daisy, I think she would have notes. I do. I think she would have notes about the interior design. I think she would have an issue with the decor. Yep.

And that's probably it. And maybe the food. Like, maybe the food. We'll throw that in there. Yeah, I don't think she'd look at the island as a whole and go, what a dump.

I think she would be like, she would probably say, where'd you get this from Pier 1? That's probably Martha. You know, but I don't think she would have shit on the island, no, which is funny.

This is interesting from Jenna Fitz. You brought this up early. Carol doesn't fit with this group. Yeah, I don't think so. I really don't think that she fits at all. Like, She's still like five episodes in trying to get to know people.

And like I haven't seen her have one-on-one conversations with more than half the cast. It's just it's a very weird fit. It doesn't make sense to me. But Angel Renee said, oh, I was going to say Angel Renee said, Carol looks really comfortable in a private island. Look, there'll be a lot of those jokes next week. It's going to be hard not to say them. I want to see the Carol talking on the phone to Erica.

that's the Carol I want to see trying to get her to come to your thing to donate a ton of money and then try to make her feel guilty because she's not going to be able to come there and donate a ton of money. Not because you want her there because you want her money there.

That's the Carol I would like to see more of. I think that there's definitely something there. So I'm not out on Carol, but I do agree she is definitely not viving with this group as of yet. Yeah, full agree. And we'll end on this one from Keely Ray. why are Daisy and Aaron Hayton from outside the club?

They can't even get in. Yeah. We know why Aaron's hating from outside the club. Daisy's the one who needs to not do that. You know, just enjoy yourself. Have some fun. It's early. She's new.

I think we'll be fine. I think the scene at the end kind of cleared that. Hopefully, I've got to see next week. But yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I think that was a very good, like, breakdown. Like, we had a, like, an hour and 20 minutes. In the top, like, front of the episode.

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