Bros & Shows - Craig Blames Austen For Craig Problems (Southern Charm Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

What's up Bros? It is the annual dudes dinner and things are still shaky between Austen and Craig. Venita and Sally sit down and at this point, Venita just needs to let Sally do her thing and decide if she still wants to be friends or not. Whitner gets shot down by Charlie. Charlie gets advice from her sister to go for Craig and not let Sally deter her. At dudes dinner, Dr. Stephen is introduced. Craig and Austen sit down and shockingly (not really) Craig blames him being mad at Austen and their friendship issues on... Austen. So. Progress? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I really wish that I had my soundboard accessible and with actual sounds because I could have started this one off a DJ Randy. Yeah, we have to put a fucking stop to this. It's getting to be way too much. There's too many people involved in Bravo that are like, ooh, let's be a DJ. Now, you could convince me that Randy was the first. This might be an established thing that he's been doing for weddings in Charleston for years.

And then Kyle Cook took his idea and then Meredith Marks took that idea. And here we are. I think that's probably the right path. Well, if you look at it a different way, you could blame Randy for it. Yeah, I don't want to blame Randy, though. It seems like he gets enough blame getting passed around in that house. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros.

Your favorite show from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Neil Russell, joined as always by the one and only Charleston Goots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot over here. We were doing a little mustache talk before this podcast. It's always nice to see yourself in a camera, just staring back at you. And then you just love to see imperfections and flaws.

I didn't see any today, which, oh, that's a good day. That's a good day. I don't see any on my end looking over there. He looked great, but I did notice something. I'm actually going to make a real about it. About me? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, about myself.

Don't get me scared like that. Yeah, no, no, no. Come on. I only prop you up, big guy. No. In doing the recession chef. And, you know, obviously I'm used to staring at my face doing this, but it's a whole different level with that because it's only my face.

I get a little reprieve. I know I have a lazy eye. Like ever so slightly, yeah. But like I've noticed and I don't know if it's when I get there's something either when I get really tired or maybe when it's I look a certain angle. Like that that fucker goes like way left. Like I'm looking sideways and I'm editing the video sometimes. So I'm like, huh.

Like I knew it was like a little straggler. It's this guy right here and it kind of hurts that guy. And it'll just kind of straddle. a little bit, but recently I've been noticing, I'm like, oh, no. No, that's the thing that I've always wondered, and it doesn't make any sense to me. Your depth perception isn't off when that happens, right? It's not like you suddenly start to see a little bit to the left. So I don't get that, but also do you just like kind of, like, can you notice it in the

moment? Obviously not, right? Unless you're obviously right now, we can look at ourselves. Yeah, like I'm good right now, as you can see. I don't know what triggers it. I don't know when it like occurs. I'm starting to pay attention more. So hopefully I'll have an answer because like I'll notice it when I'm editing a reel.

I'm like, hey, come on. Look straight. Have you thought of not being a lazy piece of shit and just being active and that would work maybe? That's my problem is I don't about being more active. Holy shit. Yeah. Sure. The only free time I have in my day I spend at the gym.

So yeah, yeah, you got a couch potato I. Yeah, that's exactly what it. You nailed it. You nailed it. There's one thing synonymous with Steel Russell. It's lazy. That's for sure. Good call, pal.

Anywho, we're here to talk about Southern Charm. It's a very good season. It's a weird season in my eyes. Like, it feels different than seasons in the past. My Craig meter is, he's losing his fucking mind. What's going on? Am I the only one that feels that way? No, I think that what we're getting,

because we've been trying to wrap our heads around it and even building in a couple of excuses here and there for him, at least I know that I have. But every time that we have a new episode and there's a lot of Craig in it, he says or does something that just simply doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So I don't know if it's, I think what we're getting, and the best way that I can put it, He spent three years, quote unquote, bettering himself.

We all know why he was bettering himself. But you can say that he was still bettering himself. He was doing better things. He was living cleaner. And now he's reverting back to a lot of people are saying who he actually is and who he's supposed to be, who he's meant to be, if you will. And he's sort of, I would imagine, internally struggling and fighting that, but he might not even realize that he's doing that. Like, he knows something's going off in his brain that's like an alarm. Like, hey, you shouldn't be doing that shit.

And we've seen it in a couple of scenes where he'll have that retrospective looking back and talking to his assistant or talking to somebody that he's working with or a friend saying like, yeah, you know, there's a little regret in there. But then he gets all of this like pomp and circumstance. And he's like, oh, what are you mad at me? Because I'm having a great time. It's like, are you having a great time? Because I think you're trying to convince. Yeah. Are you trying to convince yourself because you can feel yourself pulling back to who you were before page.

And you're saying to yourself like this is who I. want to be and I wasn't doing those things when I was with Page. So I'm not really that upset about it. Is it cope? I don't really know what it is, but he's clearly struggling internally and he's not admitting any of it. He's doing a lot of things that are pushing people away that he might actually be able to have a sit down talk with that isn't chat GPT.

Well, he keeps blaming other people. Anything going wrong with him, he is now labeled an Austin problem, which is nuts. And I think he said that at the end of the episode. My relationship with Austin depends on his problems with himself. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Yeah, it really makes zero sense. So I don't know. Again, you know, this is sort of our job, is to try to overanalyze these guys,

especially when it comes to dudes on these shows. We have a perspective because we're dudes. But even we don't know what the fuck's going on. I think the best thing I can gather, and I'm piggybacking off of you. So you led me down the path. Thank you. Biggie back away. Yeah, I'm hopping on.

but I think, okay, here's what I think. So because he made those changes and we're both under the impression those changes were entirely for page and for that relationship, not actually for him. Right. Because he didn't change for himself. He is now, as you said, reverting back to old Craig. I think he's trying to justify old Craig by leaning into some of the things he's learned in being new Craig, but his behavior is not matter. matching what he's saying. So I think he's trying to convince himself that it's okay to do this because I spent

three years bashing people that did this and talking down to people that did this, telling Austin and Shep they were garbage by doing the same things that I'm doing now. So I'm going to convince myself and blame other people that I am happy, everything's great, this is what I want, despite an internal battle of I'm reverting back to a person I don't like. Yeah, I think that kind of makes sense. I mean, we're on the same page. Again, this is really difficult to break down.

Because we know deep down he's not a bad guy. So that I think is the most, it's the most difficult way to go about this because we're still leaving him in that, I guess, in that realm of you're a good guy deep down. You're a nice person. You care about other people. But you have a really big problem when it comes to yourself and your behavior. And it's really tough for us to kind of crack through that. So that's why I think it's really difficult. It would be so much easier if he was just a piece of shit.

Because then it's like, oh, you're a piece of shit. Like case closed. We've interacted with him enough, you know, through interviews and, you know, we've seen them at certain things. I don't have anything bad to say about the Craig I've met and talked to. You know what I mean? Like most of this shit comes from what we watch on TV. It's just it is, it's a conundrum.

I'm not really sure how to. I think if you put like, I said, if you put your theory and my theory together, I think that that's the closest to what we're seeing. And I'm curious if there's ever going to be, and I hope there is, just kind of a come to Jesus moment, so to speak, where it's kind of like light bulb and he. Yeah. Because there is a middle ground. Like, I don't, you know, not getting into the fucking alcoholic shit anymore. I told you guys that I'm taking a break.

Yeah, we're doing with that. Resolution, 2026. Yeah, I can't for my own sake and mental health. Yeah. Can't do it anymore. But there's a middle ground somewhere in there of single Craig and page Craig. But I think that he has to, the way he's navigating trying to find that guy, he's acting as though he's infallible.

He's acting as though he can't make a misstep. And that's the incorrect way to be going about this. So I think I can at least answer that part. The thing for Craig specifically, as we've said before, being around page, being in a relationship with Paige. It was easier for him to make those changes. Obviously, once he made those changes, then he was up on his own pedestal looking down at everybody else saying, why can't you make those changes? But he never changed his friends. His inner circle is still exactly the same. And you can say it's because it's on Southern Charm. He has to interact with people like Shep all the time. He has to

interact with people like Austin all the time. But he still has those friends. He never made any new friends that are moving on with their lives. He never got a new group of ties. You're doing what he does. You're blaming the other people. I know, I'm not playing me. I mean, they don't fucking help for sure. But all he had was Paige. Page was his rock. If he then used, not used page,

but used where he was in his relationship with Paige to make healthy friends and people who are different in life and moving forward, maybe people that are married and slowing down a little bit with their age, he would probably still lean on them a little bit. And he wouldn't be quite so, it wouldn't be quite such a drastic change. but because he fell back on not to say that Austin hasn't changed a little bit, Shep really hasn't changed at all,

but he's leaning on people like Shep and Austin and people in Charleston that he grew up with that he was around all the time. And what do we say all the time? They're Peter Pan's. He was breaking the mold of being a Peter Pan by going with Page. Page is gone. He fell right back into that. And what we're seeing is some sort of like violent reaction to that.

Yeah, I don't know. It'll be interesting to watch. There is going to be a straw that breaks the camel's back, something's going to happen that sends him down the spiral. I think then we'll get some answers. But let's jump into this episode. And we start out with Madison moving everybody in, posted up. I'm always going to mention those scenes because good for her in that big ass house.

But it's dudes dinner day. We do this every year, big dude dinner at Ms. Pat. So the big question mark, obviously, is what is it going to be like between Craig and Austin. And Austin is now at the point, and he says so much, he doesn't think Craig is capable of an actual apology. So that's kind of his mission is going into tonight. Like, I'm going to press a little bit and see if this theory of mine is correct, because that may dictate our friendship moving forward. I like that standpoint, too, because we see the conversation that he

has with Audrey later, too. We've seen Austin in the past. Usually this friend group does the same thing every single time that they get into a fight, which is what Audrey was telling Austin not to do. And Austin seemingly had a good understanding of what he didn't want to do going into tonight. Usually it's, we drink a little bit of wine, we have a good time. Somebody apologizes and we're fine. And then we move on, but we're not actually fine. So I'm happy to see that he's going into this with a different take. I'm going to try to have a real conversation with Craig. I think the conversation that they have later, which we'll talk about, is one of the more real conversations that they've had.

We used to think that, you know, obviously, in hindsight, it's not. But we thought that last season was the most real conversation that they had on the beach. Turns out it clearly was not the most real conversation. Maybe from Austin's view, it was not anymore and definitely not from Craig's point of view. So I do like that at least. And the other part of it is, which I find very funny. And it is very true. Patricia talks about how she gets more gossip from the guys coming over than she does

on the girls. I think it would be kind of funny to see if Patricia were to have a meeting of the women on this show to come over and hang out. Obviously, Madison could be there, would be a great addition to that. But having like Sally, Vanita and Charlie and just having them all sit down and talk about their shit, I don't think that Ms. Pat would like that. I think she would move on from that very quickly. I would love that scene. That would be a great scene. I think that might have to happen. Well, have we done? I'm sure they've done something like that in the past. There's no way that in all the seasons of Southern Trump,

we haven't had a ladies night at Ms. Pads. No, we haven't had a full-time ladies' night. Really? That's interesting. It's always been gentlemen's night. It's always been like next couples, dog weddings, things like that. But I had this thought, and I'm not really jumping the gun because it's sort of a nothing scene anyway.

I have a thought that Whitney wants to move into that role. I agree, based on this episode, Based on this episode, the conversation that he had with Molly a little bit later, I have a feeling that it's sort of like, hey, come on over, which I, one, I did not care for. And I don't even know if you saw this, if you were writing down notes. It popped up and it said Whitney's Lair for the location. Oh, no, I didn't know. Certainly don't like that.

And he's a producer on this show. So he either gave them the idea to do that or okayed it. Either way, not okay with me. Nobody asked me when I think. I don't want that. Either way, my point is, I got the vibe from that scene that Whitney wants to move into that Miss Pat roll. Maybe he'll change it up.

Maybe he'll start having like a ladies night and they can come over and hang out and squash on their beef. No. No? Fuck no. No, you can't have a ladies night in his weird dungeon layer. Absolutely not. No, I'm saying he would still have it in the house. I wouldn't.

I don't know. I got this creepy bar in the back. I don't know. JP's still in there. Yeah, it doesn't. He would be the waiter. Yeah, he'd be the Randy. I wonder if JP's a DJ.

Probably. Probably. Probably. So is Whitney, probably. But I could see that, like the passing of the matriarchal torch to Whitney. I just, it wouldn't work as well at all. No, no. Not that Ms. Pat really gets involved.

It's just a lot of come on over, bring me a gift, dress up, and then you guys just take the floor. And things happen at Miss Patricia's. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That would be an. I hope not. He's got enough to do with producing this show.

Like just the less Whitney, the better always in my opinion. But Shep goes over to Marcy's house, his cousin, and he's seeing like his little cousins. I thought that was his sister initially. And then when Marcy was like, oh,

say hi to your cousin, Shepp, I was like, oh, God, is that some rich people thing where it's like, you're all cousins or uncles and aunt?

I don't know. I got very confused. I had to rewind it. And it said, Marcy cousin. I was like, oh, okay. I don't think I might be wrong about this, but we haven't really seen much of Shep's family recently. Obviously, we saw his dad with Rodrigo, but we haven't seen much of his family. I don't think he has siblings. We've seen Marcy a bunch. Marcy's been on the show.

He's been on a lot. For whatever reason, I was thinking sister in this moment. I knew she was his cousin. Did you see? So in this conversation, he talks about how he bought a new house. Did you see that he's renting out his old house? like Airbnb Airbnb he's on TikTok giving tours of his house and his tour is so goddamn funny in only a way that Shep can do it

because he thinks it's like kind of charming and a little bit funny it's sort of like the Hub house down in Nashville except Lindsay didn't fucking live there Shep lived there for years and he's walking through his house pointing at his couch

and he's like I spent a lot of time on that couch hanging out especially during COVID it's like oh dude I don't think you understand what charm is we need to We're planning a Charleston trip this year, ideally.

Reach out to get down there. Shepp will let us stay there. I don't want to stay at Shepson. We have to. It's like a fucking haunted house. It's like, hey, you want to go ghost hunting with me? I don't want to go ghost hunting because I don't want a black light on in there. So no, I'm not doing it.

I was literally going to say we have to go there and do what was that show on MTV? Room swap? Oh, God. Yeah, room Raiders. You don't talking about? Room Raiders. Yeah, it's a room Raider, Shep's house. I don't want to.

Don't let him hear this so they let us send stuff. We have to stay there. That's not negotiable. Imagine like going out and like planning a couple of events and stuff with like the Southern hospitality, Southern Charmed people. And we're like, yeah, we're staying over. Oh, we're staying at Shep's House. Where's that Shep's?

Why? They would know where we're at. I'm back in. I'm really back in now. Because that is incredibly funny to do that and show up and like hang out with Joe Bradley or something. He'll ask where we're staying like Shep's house. Yeah.

No, no, just give them the address. It's this little blue house over on the corner of whatever and whatever. It has shutters that don't open. And then a waitress in the back in the public is like, I know that house. Everyone in the back is like, oh, I've been there. They sent me pictures of it during COVID on his couch. This show is sponsored by Liquid Ivy. When do you say we have a little story time?

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As we know, he bought that new house out on Sullivan's Island, gorgeous place. And it obviously leads to, well, what does that mean for the future, Shep? Are you looking to settle down? You know, you're going to fill that house with a big family. This, and I think it's because he's been such a fuck boy for so long and is so used to things he's saying being taken as either egotistic or or a misogynist or anything like that or cocky, whatever.

I thought this is the best outline for what his future should be. Just in regards to like, I need somebody. Not, no, no, no, no, not the word. That was funny as shit though. It's like, I don't know, you a warn bit. Yeah, dude. No. But finding somebody that's an adventure that wants to go travel the world.

That wants to go just like have your home base and try. I didn't think that this was egotistical to say I want somebody that wants to travel with me because that's when I feel alive. I think that's your biggest issue is the people you found are 21-year-olds that need to work and do normal people things and you try to convince them to go to Thailand with you. That's different. If you found somebody in their 30s to like gallivant and jet set, they probably would. I think I'm sort of just numb to these conversations with Shep because we've seen him do this

multiple times a season for the last 10 years. Nothing really changes a whole lot. so I don't really hear much of a different tone. But you might be right. Maybe he has kind of narrowed down exactly what he wants and he's going to try to do that. But I don't know. He's been much more enjoyable. He's way more or he's way less of a fuckboy.

I think it's because of, you know, obviously the fact that Craig is single now. So anybody who might have any interest in any of these guys is going to flock to Craig. Now that Austin's single, I'm sure some of that is going Austin's way too. And Shep gets hung out to dry. But he's much more manageable now. it seems like he does have a lid on a lot of things. He's been very well behaved this season, I will say. So maybe he is growing up.

I don't know. It could be fools gold, but I'll take it. Next week's going to be a fucking train wreck now. Watch, because we said all this. But anyway, after the Warren Beatty comparison, we get to Vanita and Sally. They meet up, and obviously it's been awkward for these two, and it's immediately awkward when they sit down and they acknowledge that it's awkward. Like, how are you?

Like, holy shit, this is awkward. And Vanita is telling Sally to go. first, which Sally should go first. I think it takes the genuineness out of it, forcing her to go first, but whatever. So this whole thing goes back to Craig, obviously. And Sally, flat out, I don't want to stop hanging out with him. Okay, what's the end game here? I don't really

know. I'm just having fun. And Vanita lays out. So you guys get the picture. My point is there's a middle ground here that I'm seeing. Okay? And do I think Sally's fucked up for doing what she's doing? I really do. Yeah, because Vanita was pretty upfront about it. But at this juncture, they've hung out a bunch of times.

At a certain point, if you're going to use the, you're my friend, I don't like him. I really wish you didn't do that. That's one thing. But you're now shifting it to, I'm looking out for you. He's going to dog walk you and then leave you out to dry, which, yes, he's going to, but if that's the reason that you're doing it and she responds with, I want to find out for myself, that should be, okay, go do your thing. Not a, all right, well, when your life is ruined, don't come crying to me.

I thought that that actually gives the power, puts the ball in Sally's court a little bit more, which I've been team Vanita this whole time through this thing, but I think we've reached a point with this where if you do want a friendship with her, you're going to have to just grin and bear this one until it falls apart. Yeah, I've decided after that scene that I'm not on either person's team. That's probably where I am. Because Benita's out of line, but she's not wrong. But the way she goes about it is fucking insane.

Like this is not such a big deal that you need to get all up in arms and you need to be this mean to Sally. Just try to get through to her. Like I understand that there are some situations where your friend is being incredibly stupid and they can't see it. But you do have to just let them see it for themselves, which Sally will. And if scenes from next week are true and they're not trying to do some weird editing to us, she will find out because she finds out that Charlie and Craig are going on a date. So at some point, you just have to give up. But the way that the need is going about it is incredibly rude and incredibly mean to the point

where it's kind of pushing me to Sally's side. Like, I get it. You like Craig. You want to hang out with Craig. It is very bizarre that you guys haven't hooked up yet at all. And we find out later that they didn't even kiss. So I don't know what the fuck's going on there or what's going through Sally's mind. But at the same time, this is.

been going on long enough where you would think as it keeps going and it's not really affecting Benita that much. And also, you guys just found this friendship in the last summer. So it's not that deep of a friendship. So who the fuck cares? Then just move on, Benita. Like, don't allow this to affect your life as much as it is. And this is all you're doing is just stewing over how, what, what Sally's doing? Is she hanging out with Craig all the time? It feels like a betrayal. It's not really a betrayal. She's just interested in him romantically. They're not over there shit talking. you and I understand if she was coming from an angle of, I'm worried that you guys are over there and Craig is shit talking me and you're not having my back.

If she said that, I would understand that because I think that's normal for something like that to go through your mind. You're not even saying that. You're just pissed off that they're hanging out at all. You're pissed off that Sally's interested in Craig, a person who you, I guess, have ruled dead to you. It just doesn't make so much sense. And you're making this all about you, Benita.

when Sally is actually the one who's trying to get a little bit interested in Craig, just let her go. It's not that big of a deal. It's not like she's abandoning you to go hang out with Craig. We haven't seen any of that either. There's just nothing here that tells me that Sally is picking Craig over Vanita. She's simply hanging out with Craig and hanging out with Benita, but she's not the one who's spilling over.

It's not like she's going to Vanita and like, oh my God, Craig is doing this to me and I can't believe that like he's flirting with Charlie. She's not doing any of that, at least not that we can see. and Benita is not bringing any of that up. So I don't understand why she is such a big problem with this. That's what I'm saying. She's making a mountain out of a molehill at this point. Like you can you can just make some comments here and there when she's around and be like,

oh, you're probably hanging with fucking Craig again. Take a couple jabs. But if you do on a friendship, you've turned this into like an insurmountable problem that did not need to be that way. And also, if she is going to get dog walked and left out to dry, which she's going to, we all know it. We see the writing on the wall. Then you can say, told you so.

And kind of mush your face in it and move on. But it's gotten to the point now where it's like, like you said, you're allowing this to really be a detriment to your daily life. And they haven't even kissed. Like is it really worth all that? And to your other point, why are you being so pretentious and mean about it? Like you're not her mom. And it was giving mom this scene.

Like, you better not. You better. Like, don't do that. That wasn't cool. And I don't even like selling. Yeah. Yeah. And like I'm not team Sally.

So I'm probably where you're at too. I'm team nobody. Well, hold on real quick. Who really loves Venita? You're not going to have. You're not going to get this. I'm just going to tell you. JT's mom really loved Vanita.

Oh yeah. I could have gotten there. Maybe they're a little similar. Maybe they're similar because JT's mom was very overbearing and very weird and very intricate into all of his things that he was doing. I don't know. It's a possibility. They might have a lot in common.

Yeah. interesting yeah i don't know anyway let's get to creepy whitney and molly and whitney's layer whitney's layer stop it's not it said it on the screen i don't know because he said to say it on the screen i don't want to think about it it creeps me out i just i just think you should call it what it is especially because he's rich and rich people do weird sex shit so i don't like i don't like the layer that makes it so infinitely worse and makes me convinced that the basement is a sex dungeon. Like 50 shades of gray shit.

50 shades of Whitney. Oh, I don't like that. That didn't appear on the screen, so I'm not okay with that. It's too far, too much. Yeah.

But I love, first of all, I love Molly. Just what a delight. And I love that she brings a cupcake. That's a great move. And I actually do appreciate this weird relationship they have.

I didn't mind this scene overall. Whitney was incredibly, he was more than tolerable. He was almost likable. This was the best Whitney scene I think I've ever seen. seen. And that gives more credence to your theory that maybe he's going to take over the Patricia role. But they're really close. It's like brother and sister. I'm buying that to a certain extent because I also know that if Molly made a move, Whitney would be down. But they have a genuine

relationship here. And they did hook up 10 years ago. How old was Molly 10 years ago and how old was was Whitney 10 years ago? We're not age shaming. We don't age shame. 33, I think. 32. 32. 23. 23. And he was 22, 23, and he's, I don't know how old he's fucking 50 something, I think. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Molly.

Not age shaming. We're not age. He's 57. I'm Whitney. He's 47 and 23. Just because it's Whitney, no. Yeah. Any other situation, we don't ever care what the age gap is.

I just Whitney, no. Yeah, no. Yeah. But anyway, she shows Whitney her song. I think she's probably my age gap. my favorite Bravo vocalist that we've seen. It seems she's really good and real. She's very good.

She got a full ride for singing and for music. And I thought Whitney was going to drag her and he didn't, which was really nice of him to be nice about the whole thing. Now it takes a sharp left when they start talking about Sally. Yeah. I didn't like this. Do you want to say it? I don't really want to say it.

I don't want to say it. The any and the Audi thing. That wasn't as bad as shaving curtains. I thought was a wild thing to say. Yeah. I don't, you said it. I didn't say it.

Well, it has to be said so that everyone out there that if you didn't watch, now you understand. But that was said, anything, anything to make it a nice, clean appearance. The whole thing I don't like that we're talking about it.

We don't, I like that he's talking about all of that that way. And it's in the layer. And they're in a layer and he's doing that. It's all, it just made me icky. Yeah. He was surprisingly nice when she played her vocals, though. He was.

I was giving him credit for everything else. It's just the sharp left at the end there when Sally came up. And there's not really like a big back and forth about it. It's just she tells him what Sally's talking shit about. But no, I thought he was pleasant when she got done showing him the song. Like I think he genuinely was like, oh, that's really good. We can ignore the, yeah, the curtain comment. we can ignore.

I think we just move on it. Yeah, I think we need to too. All of that to say, this was my favorite Whitney scene up until that point that I think I've ever seen. If he was like this more often, I wouldn't mind him on camera nearly as much. Yeah. I mean,

to be fair, though, that elephant tattoo is awful. It was a terrible. It was a monkey, I thought. Well, there you go,

right then and there. It's actually an elephant, but you thought it was a monkey. Which one? Wait, wait, on Mollies was a monkey. Nope. It was an elephant.

So there you go. You're wrong. I wrote it down. I've got notes today, pal. I believe you, but I'm going to have to go back because I'm 99.9% sure that it was a monkey. Should we do the euse? Again, gives it credence that it was a terrible tattoo. Yeah, no, no.

As the recipient of a horrible tattoo, my first one, as you've seen. Well, it's not worse than a fucking Yeagermeister tattoo. I was going to say. On your shoulder, yeah. That's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. But I did almost, in the midst of who, this would have been bad, in the midst of all my craziness back in the day. Coors Light tattoo?

No, that'd be sick. If I got it, if you got like, I've actually, Dev's cousin Holly has the Coors Banquet bowl on the back of the leg. It looks fucking sick. So, no, much worse, so much worse. because I used to drink high volume tallboys. Steel reserves crushed those back in the day. The symbol of steel reserve allegedly is what old blacksmiths used to use to show you that they welded steel.

So in my head, I'm like, that would be sick if I got the 211 right here from the fucking steel reserve can this close to doing that. I know. I'm looking at it right now. What is 211? Is that the air? That was. That was like the Pittsburgh area code or something. No, that was the symbol that blacksmiths would have on their parlor or whatever to show you that they would work with steel.

Yeah, you would have gotten a tattoo to cover that one up. Oh, without a doubt. But I almost did it. I almost pulled the trigger. I'm so glad I didn't. Anyway, let's keep trucking to Charlie and her family. Davis Renee is her sister. This is the second Davis that we've had in this episode.

I love that name for a girl. I would just like to say that. I think it's a cool name. Good Southern name. But we get a little family scene with her to just kind of see where she's at, which I appreciate. I actually really like Charlie. So we want to see the family stuff.

And her sister was great on camera. So couldoos to her as well. But they're talking Craig. I really liked Davis Renee because of the sound advice that we're getting from Davis, Renee. I agree wholeheartedly with her assessment of the situation because she's like, well, all right, I know that you're really loyal. I know that she loves Sally, but you're single, Craig's single.

Like, don't miss out on something because you're trying to protect somebody else, but they're not actually involved, really. And I thought that was the best advice. I'm sort of on the other end of that one. I think I'm on the other end of that one. Yeah. I think what she should do is have a conversation with Craig about Sally. Like, hey, you and Sally seem to be getting close.

Is there anything there? and then you can report back to Sally and allow that to, well, maybe not report back to Sally, but then you can move forward if Craig says, no, there's nothing romantic there. Then you can at least have that sort of, I guess, clearance to go ahead and do that. But we haven't seen her do that yet. All we've seen is her go to her confessionals talking about how she knows that Sally's obsessed with him and wants to keep hanging out with him and is trying to hook up with him, but it's not going anywhere. And she's still continuing to talk to him.

So it's going to get messy no matter what. Again, I don't really care. I don't have any skin in the game. But I'm thinking for her specifically, it's probably smart to get clear of the Sally situation before you try to get involved with Craig because it's going to blow up. I agree to a certain extent.

My thought being, I don't think you're going to get that from Sally. I think you'll get a backhanded like, yeah, that's fine, whatever. And then if she moves forward with it, I think it would be World War III. I don't see that conversation going well. and at a certain point, you know, if she values her friendship with Sally, like BFFs, then different story. But if they're just friends, I don't think that she should hamper her romantic life because Sally's been chasing this dude around in this hot tub for a month.

And they haven't taken any steps forward. I think you're correct. The mature thing to do would be to sit down and she could sit down with Sally. I mean, like, look. I know you're up. Honestly, as long as you talk to one of them about the situation, I would say, I think the easier thing to do is with Craig because if Craig says there's nothing there, we're just friends, then you can move forward.

And when Sally blows up, you can say, I talk to Craig and he said, you guys are just friends. So I don't know what you like it. Take it up with him. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. So let's get to Craig and Wittner.

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Yeah, I take TikToks at my gym and I put cool internet filters on it. Enough. Yeah, I do thirst traps alone in my gym. But you don't take any shots at Austin. You just react to the things that he says. Yeah, sure. Yeah, unprovoked. And this is a weird, you're like really reaching here to throw a jab at him.

Like, yeah. And not for nothing, but we follow Austin. He posts gym stuff pretty regularly in that gym. And I know it's that gym because all of you go to that gym. So not for nothing. But anyway, body by Brad. Body by Brad. That's right.

We immediately, after taking that shot at Austin, go down this bizarre path that we were talking about earlier. where for some reason, your friendships and relationships that aren't going well are the fault of the other person. You have nothing to do with it. And he starts it out with Austin's doing like really leaning heavy into this victim thing. Victim thing. Do you remember the party at Wittner's?

And the crazier thing is Wittner co-signs. I was like, what are you doing? Dickhead? Don't do that because I'm pretty sure he's trying to snuggle up to Craig. I fucking hated that. I was like, why are you agreeing with him right now?

You were there. Did Austin provoke him ever so slightly? Sure. Yeah. What happened after that was insane. It's calling into question his relationship with Audrey. It's calling into question whether or not he's cheating. And again, you're talking about Austin who has a track record. So when things like this are said, they carry a lot more weight. And for the first time, I believe him. I don't think he's fooling around on Audrey. So you put him in this awful spot. You find out that this has been talked about behind your back for a while now and it finally comes out, of course you have a reaction.

Of course you're pissed off. And that's his problem for leaning into the fucking victim thing. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, Wittner took a couple of steps back in this conversation because I think we just severely misjudged what kind of guy he was. Because his reaction to it is, I know what Craig is going through.

I mean, I'm still mad about the way that my ex left me, his ex left him. I understand that he's hurt, how he feels, how his emotions are going. That has nothing to do with any of this at all. Or Austin. It really just like we do think that there are certain things that happen with Craig

and the things that he does and how he feels that are correlated to Page breaking up with him and leaving him. But this isn't one of them at all. He just has a problem with Austin. And he has a problem with the way that Austin talks about him or does whatever. So that has nothing to do with this. And also when Craig goes into his chat GPT, spiel about how he had a therapy session dot dot dot with chat gpte one that's ludicrous any person in

their right mind any dude i can tell you right now would stop the conversation would be cackling i'd be cackling i would be try to get them to explain further and instead he just took it his gospel he's like oh yeah oh wow you cried after talking to chat gpt you were crying at your phone because your phone was telling you why you blew up at austin one no that that's fucking crazy crazy talk to call him out for it. Like that's such a good opportunity for you to ask him more questions about that. Yeah. And then smirk at the camera.

Do a fucking gym from the office. Find the camera and smirk at it afterwards. Like that's such a good, easy opportunity to see what the fuck's going on in Craig's head. No, we don't get any of that. Instead, it's, well, man, I can understand why you feel that way. What? What are we doing here? That shit.

We don't need another yes man on this show. I really don't. Absolutely not. And that's what I got from it. I did not like that at all. but the chat GPT thing, I was like, he's joking,

right? I thought he was going to come over the punchline, but that, I knew he wasn't joking right away. I was, I didn't think he was. No,

I didn't think he was, but there was a part of me that was like, there's, there's just no way this is real. Yeah. But it being Craig, it probably is,

that's where my head went. But it calls into question so many things that has been set up to this point. Because his big claim to Madison was the day after I woke up from the Austin thing, the first thing I did was schedule a therapy appointment. Did you go to a therapist or did you talk to chat GPT?

Because the big thing about chat GPT, it'll gas you up. That's what it does so that you continue to talk to it. It's only going to agree with you and try to prop you up. It is not a licensed therapist. It's artificial intelligence, you dumb ass. I can't believe you actually just said it's not a licensed therapist. But I have to. Apparently.

I know. But that's like, that's how ridiculous this is. But the answers that he got, he's, he's spouting off what chat GPT said to him. That's where the victim and the unhealthy perspective thing comes from. And then I had a great therapy session with chat GPT.

And I realized why I snapped. And this is the craziest shit I think I've ever heard in my life. Because Austin is keeping Audrey in a relationship that he doesn't want to marry her. And that isn't fair to her. And I was Audrey in my relationship. brother, you are not dating either of them. You are not involved in this relationship. To draw this parallel and then blame Austin for how you feel about it is the most self-indulgent,

narcissistic, evil thing to do to try to get over on your friend. And the only thing that could make it worse is to have an asshole across the table go, yeah, shut up, Wittner. What's going on? The first half of that statement might actually not be wrong. Austin is keeping Audrey in this relationship and he has no intention of marrying her. That might not be wrong at all.

But then to insert yourself into it and say this is why I have such a problem watching. You don't have a problem watching him with Audrey. You're just upset because he's taking little jabs that you here and there and you're insecure about it. So now you're trying to find a way to rationalize the way that you feel when in reality you just have a problem with Austin. Austin has a problem with Craig.

Sheep has a problem with no one. Everybody has a problem with Shep. Shep just doesn't like to be left out. We've seen this go on and on. It's a merry go around. It's a merry go around that's been around for 15 years now. We know how this plays out. But don't try to draw the parallels.

That's not at all what's going on here. No, it was nuts. Like, what do you mean? You're not Audrey, dude. And like, maybe they're not getting married. But it does seem like they've discussed things to a certain extent. And if they get to that place where Audrey gets fed up, then Audrey can have that conversation.

with Austin, which all signs point to she does eventually. Why he inserted himself into this? I have no idea. It's revenge for the things that Austin was saying while Paige and Craig were together, which by the way, turned out to be true. While Austin was questioning why you were changing so much, this whole newfound Craig, is it real? Is it bullshit?

Is he changing for Paige or changing for himself? Those are the things that Austin was saying, which by the way, if we go back, he wins awards for that because he was right the entire time. he just couldn't really articulate it and could never bring it up to Craig because Craig would blow up. That's all of the things that are flying through Craig's head right now. And that's probably why he's now inserting himself into Austin's relationship because he feels like Austin was inserting himself into Page and Craig's relationship. And he really wasn't.

Like, yeah, did he overstep a couple of times here and there while you guys were dating? Maybe fine, whatever. But he was really focused on you and what you were doing. And if you were okay and because you were on that pedestal, telling everybody else that they were wrong. and you are maturing without them, now he can take a couple of shots. And he's not wrong. He's never been wrong. No, he hasn't.

And you can argue that Craig's right too, but it's the way in which they're going about everything. Although before we move on, I do have a question. Is this the first time that we've been to buy the way? I think so. Yeah, I didn't even realize it was. Why didn't we get like any sort of like confetti and like triumph and talk to Craig

about opening? Like, are we just not going to talk to? talk to Craig and Austin about it. I know we mentioned it briefly, I think, at the reunion maybe. Maybe not, actually, because we just talked about Craig and Page breaking up. I don't think we've been to, by the way. I wonder, you'd think we would have gotten like an opening or something like that or like a soft opening party or something?

I don't think we have. That's interesting. Maybe they opened like mid off season. So it just didn't correlate with the cameras. It's kind of confusing too because most of the cast were posting pictures, I think, two weeks ago, whatever the last episode was. two, three weeks ago. They were posting pictures that looked like it was from the by the way opening. And we didn't see any of that in an episode and we didn't see any of that in this episode.

I almost commented on Austin's picture or maybe it was Rod's picture saying like wrong episode because they always post pictures from the episode, Summerhouse does it too all the time. They post pictures or clips or whatever from that week because Bravo gives them the go ahead. But there were all these pictures about them like in tuxes hanging out of by the way. it looked like a soft opening. And then we didn't get anything from last episode or this episode. I'm really confused. That's a good point.

And yeah, the fact that we haven't just been there for like cocktails or a conversation like this is. That is interesting. I don't know. I don't know. Southern Trump did get new producers. So I do wonder because we heard that. I forget who told us that.

Was it Benita talking about Madison's sleepwear, how we never got that like the headliner. Here's Madison's company. Let's post it on Bravo and show everybody what's going on. It was always the guy's stuff. So maybe the new producers are like, eh, let's just fucking stay hands off for a little while.

Actually, I'm okay with that. If that's the move, they've gotten enough screen time. So maybe that is. Maybe production is actually doing something good. Now let's get to Austin's FaceTime with Audrey. And you got to mention the cats.

They are cute. The little kitty. I'm not a cat guy, but the kittens are cute. Why is he hanging up his jacket on the back of a chair, though? There's got to be higher places to hang that jacket. I don't know.

the cat's going to get to it. But you also, you know, he's, he's a tall dude. So even if it's on like a bar stool, it's probably still getting close to the ground. It's in the back of a, like a dining room chair. Oh, yeah, you're right. I don't know. I'm just trying to. Yeah, you're trying to give him the excuse.

I get it. Yeah, but it's trying to help out somewhere else. No, I agree. But he's eating dinner before dinner because he knows how these things go a lot of the time. He's going to go. Craig's going to yell. He's going to lose his appetite. He's not going to eat.

So he's crushing some chick filet before he heads out. Now, Audrey chimes in, which I'm actually really curious about her in all of this thing. So we don't really hear it from Audrey's perspective, like how much does she know about it? Is Austin telling everything that's going on with Craig? And we find out, yeah, because she's like, he knows nothing about our relationship. So for him to have an opinion on it is ludicrous. That could not be more true, even if the situation is what Craig says it is.

And again, all signs point to Austin's not ready. Audrey's not the one, fine. But things change throughout a relationship, right? Like he could get to that point potentially. He didn't. But she's correct. Like, he doesn't know anything. So for him to draw this conclusion simply based off of three things, two things.

One, Austin made a joke about Craig flirting at the party because he can't flirt. And he made another comment about being jealous or slightly jealous of Craig being able to flirt and Shep being able to flirt. Those are not enough evidence to condemn him and talk shit about his relationship and turn it into a woe is me. I can't believe Austin is doing this to me via Audrey. I don't, I'm glad that she has that perspective. I assume that she did. But when you really break it down, it's like, yeah, what do you actually have on your list of notes in the Austin Audrey relationship to tell you that this is not going to work? Yeah. I mean, it seems like Craig has not been present for the majority of Austin and Audrey's relationship. I mean, they were at odds

all of last year. Audrey lives in Charlotte. When they're around, they seem to hang out at Austin's place. She was really around the group a whole lot. So I don't know where you're speaking from, but I do like that at least we do get some understanding that Audrey was brought up to speed. That's good. That shows growth because Austin doesn't have to tell Audrey like, hey, that whole party of Wittner's blew up and Craig was making accusation saying that Shep ran into somebody in New York who said that I was cheating on you and the whole thing blew up from there. He told her all of that. So that's good.

I like that he did because he brought her into the fold to be that person that he can lean on. So that actually shows me that you got somewhat of a healthy relationship there. That's great. So the way that Audrey was talking, I think, told me a lot where she was giving good perspective. She wasn't doing the fuck Craig stay away from him. He's not good for you. Anything like that.

She knows that eventually they're going to go back. But she's telling him to at least be timid. at least don't have these high expectations where you guys are going to be all good. And then tomorrow it's okay, but nothing really changed because you guys didn't really talk about anything. So it gives Austin the power to go into this dinner that he knows he has to go to. But it gives them the power to at least have that sit down with Craig that we see later, where it goes a lot differently than what we've seen before.

And I guess, you know, maybe he needs that. He said that he needs that before. So I think it's working out well. I agree. And I think her giving that warning was one very good, but too, very funny because she knows how it goes. Like, don't snuggle up to them just because you guys are you guys and you're going to move on from this without ever actually hashing anything out.

Like, just don't do that, please. And I agree. I think that this shows growth and maturity in his relationship. And on top of that, it shows that or not shows that, but I do believe that that's why the conversation goes as well as it does and the way that it goes instead of just like, okay, Craig, like we'll give it a shot. Like he actually puts his foot down and creates some balance. But that takes us to dudes dinner.

We find out about DJ Randy. DJ Randy. I kind of want to see one of his sets ever so slightly. I think the funniest part, his Butler face is the same as his DJ face in that picture, which I thought was very funny. He's still wearing the same thing. He's wearing a tuxedo with a vest. Maybe that's his move.

I guess that's his move. DJ Butler. That's how to set him apart from the other DJs. DJ. Jeeves. DJ Jeeves. MC Askjeeves.com. Yeah.

Free plug. You're welcome. Remember that? Yeah, there's no way that's real anymore. I bet it. I would bet that some company bought it and it's still like old school just for nostalgia vibes.

Yeah. Am I right? It is. Oh, it moved to ask.com. Oh, it's just ask. Oh, ask is Ash Jeeves? Yep. Asking or asking.

dot com shifting from its original focus for just Q&A to a concept site but everyone arrives at dinner Austin is still MIA but Shep's shirt is absurd. I can't imagine wearing stripes with a tuxedo but hey do you boo boo-boo and the friendships all get brought up the first one being Austin and Shep and Shep says to the group he's like you know what I had a good conversation with him we're actually in a good place right now which I know got under Craig's skin I'm sure he's like why would he call him and not me? Why are they cool and we're not? It's probably because he's dating Audrey.

But him holding on to this pool thing so much because he mentioned it earlier with Wittner. I meant to mention it earlier with Wittner because he says earlier like, I can't believe he would miss my pool party. Like that's nuts. That's insane. Then he goes to a confessional here and says the exact same thing. The fact that he would skip my pool party after that's insane.

Is it? I think it's insane for him to go, especially if his reason for not being there is to go visit his girlfriend. No, and it was right on the heels of him making that comment saying that my relationship with Austin depends on his problems with himself and for him to not come to my pool party is so insane. What the fuck is going on?

What kind of bizarre a world are you living in? I don't understand how he's not letting go of this pool party and he's not not letting go. Not only is he not letting go. He's also not understanding anything. Like it's very easy to understand. You guys aren't in a good place so he skipped your pool party. He doesn't want more of the same.

So he skipped your pool party. What's there to really understand? It's pretty straightforward. He just has, and I think this is what happens when Craig has these parties. He has people over. He has Corey over. He's got Sally there. They're all people that are just like, yeah, Craig, you're so right.

I can't believe that Austin's not here. No one is just looking at Craig dead in the eyes. And we need Rodriguez to do this. We need Madison to do this. Somebody has to do it. Look him in the eyes and say, what the fuck is wrong with you? How do you not understand this? He doesn't want you guys to just move on.

Something bad happened. You did something bad. Maybe he feels upset about it. and he doesn't want to be around you. It's as simple as that. It's so crazy that he's holding on to this. It's a Memorial Day pool party in your backyard. It's not the fucking debutante ball or some shit that everyone goes to all the time.

It's not that serious. And it's not a slight at you either, by the way. It's simply, I don't want to be near you right now. I'm going to go see my girlfriend in Charlotte. That makes a lot of sense to everybody except for Craig. And he's acting. I think that's one thing I'm starting to really take away is no matter what it is, no matter what Austin does,

if Craig takes it any kind of negative way, he then turns it into a personal attack. This is a, this is at me instead of, this is just him avoiding you. It's like, oh, he's trying to make a statement.

It's like, I don't think he is. I think he doesn't want to be near you or Shep, by the way, because Shep burned him too. So why would he go to that party, Craig? It makes no sense that he would be there.

Yeah, none whatsoever. But I have a question for you. Who the fuck is Dr. Stephen? I don't know who Dr. Stephen is. Where the hell is the doctor Stephen comes from? And he's, look, he's got it going on.

I like him. I don't know where the hell he came from. They introduced him as Whitney's friend. I think it's just Whitney doing some scouting and getting a new castmate. I don't know. But we've seen this happen before. And weirdly enough, they're usually doctors. Yeah.

What was, I can't even remember his name from last year. Oh, Dr. Rob? Nope. I know it's not that. But I can't remember his name. Either way. It was him, him and his husband were both doctors. I just can't remember either of their names.

And they were Patricia's friends, weirdly. Either way, they do this all the time. They bring up a new cast member, shows up at the gentleman's dinner. Ryan, Dr. Ryan, it shows up at the gentleman's dinner and then just disappears, just fades away. I hope Stephen doesn't because I thought Stephen actually made a couple of good points and he was kind of fun. He didn't get a confessional. So I don't know how much he's going to be around. But still, it's just bizarre to me how these people just pop up randomly for these dinners.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he's a full-time friend of. I don't know if this was a one-off. I liked him. Yeah. I think that he clearly feels comfortable very quickly. Normally, I don't like that, but it was kind of funny because we don't have that voice in the group. That'll just chime in and be like, ooh, that was a really long, very nice.

No. Other people won't say that specifically in the moment. They might save it for later and say it under their breath or something like that. It would be nice to have a dude. I mean, I think Rodrigo probably does it the most out of anybody, but to have another guy in there to kind of just point shit out in the moment. I'm cool with that. He seems to be comfortable doing that.

But we get to actual Dindin. And this chef, I resonated. This is how I am at dinners. So I very much resonated with this guy. I think you should cook for this, by the way. I think you should throw your hat in the ring. Oh, should I? I would love to.

That would be so funny. Maybe I will. I'll start lobbying for it. Hey, Bravo. I don't think Whitney likes you. I think you're done. Oh, yeah. There you go.

I'm out. Yeah, he doesn't. Is that time that you met him? Yeah, I went to the Southern Charm premiere, hung out with Brittany and Zach, and yeah, you guys. I'm going to go to the one. I was going to go to the math. No, but yes, he was a huge dick and no surprise to me. But anyway, we're at Dindon. And I think that it's funny that this whole thing between Austin and Craig blew up because

of some under the breath comments and things being said across the party. When Austin's talking about his cats, you get what I can only describe as a chortle out of Craig. Austin's like, I love cats. I do love cats. He's like, what the fuck is going on? And that, you know what that is? That is because Shep and Austin have made up. Oh, I think it's because Austin didn't go to the pool party, actually.

That's probably actually that. Now, Ms. Patricia asks Austin, what's going on with Audrey? Do you hear wedding bells in your future? Wild response. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, you know what? I don't, I don't know, but no. Not right now.

Yeah, not right now, guys, right? Everybody? Dr. Stephen, what do you think? That was the longest, most extended no that I've ever heard my life. And it was very nice. It was very nice. Yeah, I'd love the very nice. the end of it.

So then we move on to Craig and his love life. I hear there's a lot of hot tub. Craig going on. What's going on the hot tub? And he says like, yeah, but there's been zero smooching going on. And I guess Craig gives the vibe,

and he does, that he's in like a long term, very serious relationships of Dr. Stephen calls that out immediately. Unfortunately, he just got out of one. And I figured that this was how he felt. I didn't expect to hear it

on screen, but he admits like, yeah, she, you know, I would take her back if she came back. That's going to throw Shep into a fucking tizzy. And you see his face too. Whitney drops a fuck her. Okay, Witt. That whole thing, because we saw the summer house for Southern charm like beef that they were having, which I'm 99% sure summer house won that whole thing. But I wasn't expecting him to say something at this on camera.

Now, my question for you. is this a move? Is he trying to do this to make sure Paige sees it? Not to get back together, but just to try to play nice guy again. Does he actually feel this way? Or is it both of those? No, I think he actually feels this way.

I think that's where he is. And again, you do have to remember, this was films just a couple of months after they broke up. Like, we're watching now and it's been over a year since they broke up. So it's like, okay, like, really? You're still going through this? But it was only a couple of months later. And I think it's a lot of confusion on his end very clearly from what we've seen just based on his behavior.

I genuinely believe him. I really do believe him. I think that he feels and he will never admit this, especially on camera and especially not to Austin. But he feels lost. He doesn't really know what to do. He's a lost puppy that can't find his way back home because he doesn't have Paige. A page was his beacon for so long. And she's gone.

So I do genuinely think that this is more, I've lost my way. I'm never going to admit that. If Paige were to come back into my life, I would go. go back in a heartbeat because that's where I need to be. That's where I had all these ideas in my brain of our future. And now that that's not there anymore, I have no idea what the fuck I'm going to do with my life. I've got all these things going on, all of this hard work that I've had over the years,

which has been helpful with Page by my side. I don't know what to do with these things. So yeah, I would go back to Page in a heartbeat because that's the only thing that I know. It's normal for him to do that. So I just North Star. Yeah. Okay.

That makes sense. I believed him. I just didn't know if he was also. trying to get brownie points to be like, see, I'm a nice guy. See, I don't think, I think if he was in a normal mental state, yeah, but everything that we're seeing is just so erratic that I genuinely believe that this is something that he said and then maybe later regret it because it was on camera. Interesting.

Okay. Well, Dr. Steven is probably going to be a friend of and then work his way into the cast only because he broke a chair. That's part of it. You break a chair. Exactly. So he's probably going to be around for a while.

I actually very much enjoyed it. It's like, well, one of the few I can actually afford it. I'm like, oh, okay. I love that. He's rich and he's ready to throw it around. That's what we want. Exactly. But Austin pulls Craig for a chit-chat.

Hey, man, let's go outside. And I'm glad that he was the one to do it because I feel like when Craig initiates, then Craig takes the ball and won't give it to Austin. So the fact that he initiates the conversation, I thought was really good. the way it goes is banana land until we get to the very end of it because it starts out. And Austin admits, he's like, look, I'm not going to sit here and say that that wasn't a really nice time. Like, I enjoy when we're good. I enjoy being able to shoot the shit.

I like being able to hang out. But I felt betrayed. I felt very betrayed by you and Shep after what had happened. Understandably so. Why wouldn't you feel betrayed, especially because Craig told Shep, no, let's not disturb his peace. And then you used Shep at Wittner's party to disturb his peace. So of course he feels betrayed and he should feel betrayed. And your response to that is it was a singular out of anger reaction.

You triggered me and I hit you back. He jabbed at you and you threw a fucking hammer at him. I see, I don't know because if I'm Austin in this situation, I'm hammering home. the fact that you brought up a rumor that Shep heard in New York to try to derail my relationship because you feel like I don't want to be in that relationship. It's not for you to say, but also that's not what friends do. And you used a piece of information that you didn't even get for yourself that Shep gave you and tried to do that to hurt me.

I don't get why. And again, Austin's prerogative, I think he was just so we've seen him. He gets very rattled in these situations. He usually doesn't say the right thing. but I don't know how you're not just hammering that home because Craig clearly doesn't get it. He glosses over that entirely and tries to focus on the weird little comments that you made about talking about how Sally doesn't like her drinks unless she's doing it in a hot tub or flirting with Charlie and talking about how awkward he is. He is awkward when he's flirting. Does Austin need to make that comment?

Probably not, especially given where Craig is and what he's doing. But Austin seems to be admitting a couple of things here and he's trying to get deep with Craig. and Craig still can't get over those little comments and won't admit that what he did was atrocious. Like it was. It just simply was. And if you're not going to get him to admit that, then I don't really understand. I mean, I know at the end of this, it's a better situation than what we've seen before where they're just going to move on and act like nothing happens. Because Austin allows that to happen.

This could have went a totally different direction, but Austin played nice. Yeah, Austin decided to play nice until the end, which then he's, and this is Austin's version of laying down the law. we can do this, decide if we want to give each other space, we can be around each other. But if you snap at me again, then we're done. Like that's Austin laying down the law and doing what he has to do. And that's the power that he got from talking to Audrey where somebody's going to hold him accountable. Did you have a conversation with Craig? How did it go?

You have to say that at the end. So that way you laid out some groundwork for this isn't going to work out if we can't do this again. And I told him it's on him. If he lashes out of me again, then we're done. I think that's the best way that Austin could do that. but there's so many little things and there's so many cracks and holes throughout this whole conversation that did need to be addressed and maybe Austin just understands that Craig's never going to take responsibility for that.

So maybe it's not worth it for him to do that. But I do think that he needs to get that off of his chest at least to be completely level with Craig. Here's all of the issues that I have. It was gross and disgusting that you decided to do that at a party in front of a bunch of people on camera. And here we are and I'm giving you a chance. understand you fucked up morally and I'm giving you a chance still to be my friend because we have a good history.

Any normal person is going to look at that and be like, yeah, man, I fucked up. I really don't intend to ever do that again. I'm really sorry. I hope I didn't hurt you and Audrey. Like any normal person to do that. And Craig is still so much on the, well, it was just reactionary.

And it wasn't that big of a deal. And Shep did it too. So it wasn't that. Shep didn't really do anything. His mistake was telling you in the first place. And Shep was telling you in the first place. And Shep, the root of it was probably shady. But I do believe somewhere in there, he does care about Austin.

And that's what that was to do. They probably talk about, I mean, they've been on this show for so long. They're quote unquote public figures. They probably at one point in time had a group chat with all three of them when they were single and they would talk about the shit that they heard about the other person. And then it's moved on to, well, somebody's in a relationship. Somebody's in a relationship. Usually it's not Shep. Well, I got to tell someone.

And then you tell Craig. or you tell Austin or you tell Shep. So they've probably been doing this for years. I don't really even blame them for doing that. That makes sense. Like, I'm not going to bring this to Austin's attention because I don't really believe it.

It's stupid, but I still want to tell you what I heard in New York. Isn't that funny? The fact that Craig then used that to hurt Austin is the problem here. And it's a big problem. You laid it out. Like, why that is so problematic, all Craig's trying to do here,

and this is what Craig does, to try to alleviate some of the things that he does, is even the playing. Field. You did this, though. I know I did that, but you did this. He's trying to make them both seem as bad because I think it makes him internally feel better about himself because I think he has the self-awareness enough to know that he's wrong,

but then another part of him convinces him that he's not. It's actually his fault because he triggered you. He uses the word triggered like five times. And that's my biggest issue. And this is probably the chat GPT of it all is how deep it gets. Like he uses these crazy definitions to explain what's going on with him and why he was so triggered without acknowledging what Austin has said to him about everything going on. You betrayed me. No, I didn't.

You're playing. I feel like I can't figure out how to navigate around you. Are you going to laugh? Are you going to get mad and yell at me? I don't really know. I don't want to play chess with you. No. He gets so insecure about just the chess comment because he doesn't want people to see that.

that he's moving around chess pieces and acting and moving a certain way. So he was trying to nip that one in the bud. That's why he kept bringing it back up. That was such a one-off comment that he got stuck on. And I think it's because he doesn't want people to have the perception of him that he moves that way. So he had to make sure that Austin wiped that one away. And Austin wouldn't. He's like, no, no, no.

For him to go back at Austin with, when you did that at the party, it triggered lifelong things for me of not being able to trust people and people abandoning me. Are you fucking kidding? He made a shot joke about a hot tub. Was he being a dick? Yeah, he was.

Is it rooting into your past to try to find deep rooted trauma to throw a jab at you? No, dude. What a weird leap to take. And then what a weird thing to do to say that to him. I can't imagine seriously sitting there and saying that to Austin and expecting Austin to be like, oh, shit.

I'm so sorry. I brought up your childhood trauma, dude. My bad. What are you talking about? You guys are not even in this. This is not the same thing. You fucked up much more than Austin did. Just say, I'm sorry, dude.

Won't happen again. And if it does, I completely understand if this friendship is over because I keep throwing you under the bus. but then I blame you that I blame you for throwing you throwing you under the bus what I don't even know how to say it I blame you for me throwing you under the bus because you made me do this

that's what it is you made me do this is what he's saying yeah it's insane but let's see what the fans have to say I'm surprised that it took long to get this question but from Annie Lee 9 check out what Natalie asked Austin on vile files.

They're sick. No, I, no, I'm not watching anything Vial Files. What did they say? I'm getting to it. No. Oh, no. Annie Lee, Nine said,

check out with Natalie asked Austin on Vile Files. They're sick. I assume Annie is saying that the people on vile files are sick, but you're not going to get us to watch anything. I saw the clip. It was fucking brutal.

I saw that he was on it. He was about his sister that passed away. Oh my God. It was like awful showing. them awful showing from them they went on this whole tangent about their lakehouse they just bought and the people that came with them not like not making them a fancy breakfast or so it was the most i don't understand and never will by that is the go-to podcast i'm not saying that we should be by any means i'm saying i don't know how we landed there no as fans of these shows like i don't get

every clip that i've ever seen from that show is just terrible i listened to the scandivall one they were such pansies about the whole thing that they weren't even able to ask any real questions. I listened to the West Wilson one where they more or less sided with him the Sierra thing, which was nuts. They have no spine or backbone. And yet they're the go-to podcast for anything that happens in reality TV. There's so many more qualified podcasters out there in this space that do such an amazing job. I'm not talking about us.

I'm talking about all of our colleagues in this space are really, really good at this. And they ask really good questions. They're not afraid to ruffle feathers of a relationship because they're, quote unquote, famous, loose quotes. Yeah. But it's just I'll never, I will never understand it as long as I live why they get so much clout because they're bad at their job flat out.

And if this is, I guess this is starting a beef. I don't really care. I don't have the energy for that. But yeah, I don't get it. If somebody is a big, actually, that's what I'll do. If you're a big vile files fan and you're one of our listeners, tell us why. Send us a DM and explain what you get out of that podcast because I am actually curious. Anyway, see what else we got.

From Taylor Erron 25. Did Craig used to be more charming? He sucks so bad now. Single Craig was never charming. He was charming while he was with page. Oh, I like this one. J. Bay the Hut 713. Which Asian cuisine would you make, Steele?

Oh, I love, I love Japanese cooking. I think it's one of the most impressive culinary spaces as far as the levels of flavor you have, the different techniques that they use. I think that it's mastering something in Japanese cuisine, I think, takes a lot of talent. and I also taste so good. So I would say either I do really good seared tuna with like sesame and stuff like that. I've made sushi. I've made a lot.

A lot of my dinners have been Asian cuisine. I'm a huge fan of it. I love it. I love learning it. So I don't know what I would specifically make, like as far as a dish, but I would definitely lean into probably a Japanese, dinner more so be my route yeah good waggo beef not a waggoo uh from em lewis why can't craig afford a real therapist so i was thinking

about this one uh he did say that he went to a therapist right after that party i am wondering if it was chat gpt but my initial reaction was he uses chat gpt in the interim he makes his appointments to a real therapist and then when he spiked He goes to chat GPT to check in. The funnier point from that is, and this actually isn't funny, this is probably kind of sad. Craig doesn't want to go to a real therapist because then he'd actually have to address his real problems and open up and he doesn't want to do that. And he's too afraid to do that. So he has chat GPT because he's more comfortable doing that.

Ah, I agree with all of that. And I do think that chat GPT is the interim therapist. I do think, I know I said that earlier, but the point of that was to say, you just open the door for these questions now with your chat GPT comment to say, well, have you ever been to a therapist? Are you talking to your phone? Yeah. But I do believe it's both.

I think I do think it's both. From Sarah D. Or Saradi. Is anyone else tired of Craig's version of the breakup every episode is brought up somehow? And also, why hasn't Whitney hooked up with or tried to hook up with what? Who? Oh, I'll ask that one afterwards. Is anyone else tired of Craig's version of the breakup?

Every episode is brought up somehow? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, he's still going through it. Sure. I don't know. It's not really Craig's version of the breakup. We know how it worked out now.

You can kind of just take bits and pieces from what he's saying. It's more just trying to get an idea of where he is in his own psyche than trying to figure out what he's saying about the breakup. I don't really care what he says about what happened with the breakup. It's so 2024, if you want to call out that. Yeah. Just so 2024. But you can get different things about why.

he's doing the things he's doing and saying things he's saying based on how he's talking about the breakup. I'm not that upset with him bringing it up here and there. I think I get frustrated that he's using it in instances like with Austin. Like it's not, don't draw parallels from your relationship to everything just because you're really sad. It doesn't work that way. From N.

Brackman, man. Give Craig Shep Austin each one piece of free advice of free advice. from the bros. Let's start with Craig. Be nice and stop taking shit so seriously. Yeah, stop taking shit so personally. I think it's probably the best one for that. Shep, I think you're on to something with finding a partner to travel with.

Just find someone who also lives the type of life that you do that doesn't rely on having to go to work all the time because that was never going to work with Taylor. You expected it to work with Taylor, but it wasn't. Yeah, just fine. Just keep going down that path. I don't know. I don't have a whole lot for Shep. Find somebody that is close to you financially speaking, that you know likes to travel. Set yourself up for success.

Don't do another relationship where you're trying to convince somebody to travel the world with you. If you have to convince somebody to travel the world, it's not going to work. No, no, definitely not. And then for Austin, I don't know, keep doing the work. Seems like he's doing the work. Keep growing up. Keep being vulnerable. Keep talking and keep trying and keep trying and keep being honest because that's, you know,

for better or worse with Austin, what you see is what you get. And yeah, just keep doing that and keep staying open. And don't let all the negativity around you, push you back down a hole that you have been working very hard to crawl out of. yeah and then we'll since we save this one for last from sarah day uh who hasn't whitney hooked up with or tried to hook up with is it in the girls contracts um the way that i view whitney is the way that i view uh barney stinson on how i met your mother where or matthew mcconnor and days and confused i keep getting older and they stay the same age i he's the type of guy that looks around goes to the bars for a little bit on you know a saturday night and look

around and says, wow, it's so great. Every year there's a new batch of 21-year-old girls at these bars. You want to see my layer? Yeah. And unfortunately enough people say yes. One last one just to point it out because he was not there. Mandy Farkel, missed Rodrigo at Pat's dinner. So did we.

Yeah, it's going to fucked up. You're invited, huh? Hmm. Interesting. Anywho, don't care for it. Not at all. Not at all. He is a star on this show. He deserved to be there. Should have been there.

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