Bros & Shows - Craig Conover Full Interview

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

What's up Bro's?? Today we have a special episode with the one and only Craig Conover of Southern Charm (and Summer House, and Winter House and probably more Bravo shows). We had a blast catching up with him about the current season of Southern Charm. From Austen and Olivia to Taylor and Shep, we touched on just about everything. He tells us all about where him and Paige are in their relationship and even joined the Bro's in a tin-foil hat convo where we discussed his favorite conspiracy theories. We hope you enjoy the episode as much as we did! This episode is brought to you by Bubly. For the best tasting, zero sugar, zero calorie carbonated beverage, look no further. With tons of flavors to choose from, Bubly is your guilt free option without sacrificing taste. Go to Bubly.com to purchase or to find a store near you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros.

Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to a special episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steel Ruff. Also, joined as always by Shooter Magouter and a very special guest, an original brav bro, if you will. We have Craig Conover from Southern Charm and like 15 other shows. What's up, Craig? What's up, guys? Congrats on everything.

I remember it's funny because I was just, I'm in Albany and at Page's parents and Sierra's here too. And I was like, hey, I'm going to go do the Bravo Bros podcast. and like they knew instantly like what I'm trying to say is it's funny how much we know more about people than they realize like I saw you guys right when you came out and I thought it was awesome what you guys were doing but like I don't think I ever told you you know I was never like hey good job guys I was just like we heard a clip of you you were on somebody's podcast like a year and a half ago we just started out and you mentioned like yeah there's these two guys like two straight dude just doing Bravo recaps and it's awesome I like

filled myself like listening to it i was like oh shit Craig so i reached out that's right like that day i was like hey man thanks for the shout out and you liked it a year and a half later it said like a message from Craig i was like oh sick i was like a year and a half late but we'll take it like yeah so the girls say hello um but yeah congrats on everything and uh i'm glad we've got this little holiday break to to catch up so it's an honor to be here yeah i mean it's a great time to do it too because right in the middle of probably the best season of southern charm that we've ever watched it's fucking wild i mean what just try to like break it down for us a little bit what's it like being in that moment you realize that there's so

much going on between obviously austin and taylor and then the olivia factor and everything else that just keeps popping up it seems like every week there's a new storyline that you guys have to fucking deal with like that's one it's got to be exhausting but it's got to be exciting in the moment right Yeah, I mean, this year was really great, and I'm glad it's resonating with everyone because it felt not like old school Southern Charmed, but we just, we let Charleston be its own character again, like this incestuous city that we live in. And everything that everyone's seeing, like, you know, look, we only film a couple months a year and we just got the sweet spot of the year. it just all of this stuff ended up happening when we were when you know we happened to have cameras there and so I have found myself laughing most at some of our reactions and we hadn't we didn't know that Olivia and Austin had hung out and I had found out earlier that day you know when Austin and I were

filming and then when Shep found out at the dinner table like I just watched his face and he's like wait what and you could see these processing it real time like there's no way that you guys did that and like i yeah so i it's a great season i'm glad to be back um you know and this like sweet spot and you know for whatever reasons there were for you know we've been on almost a decade like you know some seasons are just going to be a little a little slower but i think this one is just so raw and real for better or for worse that I think the viewers are really connecting with it. Yeah, I mean, we've definitely resonated with a lot of the things happening. And you can just tell from social media, that's kind of where we get the, you know,

heartbeat of what's going on, if it's hitting or if it's not landing. And it seems like everybody is appreciating this season as much as we are. Now, do you think that a part of that, because I'm newer to Southern Charm, it took me a little bit while to get into it? Shooter's been Southern Charmed, like, since day one, but do you think that a big part of this season is because you guys are, like a lot of you have grown up, a lot of you have matured in a lot of ways, is this a season where you can kind of look at it? Even Shep seems to have a little bit more self-awareness this season than I've seen in the past. Do you attribute that

to the success this year that people are kind of, you know, Austin talked about early in the season that he had a confession where he said, you know, I might be the issue, maybe need to look inward, and stuff like that. It seems like there's more self-reflection going on, I guess. Like, do you think that that plays into it at all? I think it plays into the longevity of Southern Charm as a whole. You know, we really, they really just give kind of everyone a chance to live out their lives for better, for worse, and bring, you know, y'all along for this ride of, I mean,

it's a roller coaster. And there's, like, arcs in both directions. there's good arcs there's bad arcs um you know i speak a lot around the country now and a big thing i talk about is like most success stories or when you see people that have made it they're not going to highlight the bad years like you know they might say oh like it wasn't always easy but they don't have like reality show cameras documenting some of their like real bad like Adderall Benders and like you know yeah I'd have been like like you know really messing up and getting fired in so I hated it at the time but I really appreciate that some of my bad years

were filmed I mean it's still very it would be very hard for me to watch but it gives some context and authenticity to people when I'm like look if now you get to see me like if I can make it to where I am now and make it out of some of those dark times you know I mean a lot lot of people can relate to addiction or drinking too much or whatever it may be and then to be able to share the light at the end of the tunnel I think that's what gives the show hope which is cool and I think like the you know Austin is in this this kind of I was about to use some word I didn't know like paradigm or something but he's in the middle of we make up words all the time yeah page is like that's not a real word Craig that's like we do it

it too we just sound so confident with it that we don't yeah and then we'll get comments like that's not how you use that word yeah i'm pretty sure it is though yeah you know what i was trying to say but he's really in this tug-of-war where is he going to take these like second third-third four chances kind of following the footsteps of i would think i don't know maybe it's just me maybe it's a conceited thought to think this but i think austin what has his intentions are so good he's just got to figure out how to make the right choices and all of these things are happening in real time and i think this year we did a great job of of of not losing the message and what you know what happened during filming between principal photography and it airing like i think

you're getting a very true look at what happened yeah i feel like that's like such a super important aspect of reality TV and that's I love southern charm and like I used to watch summer house all the time too because it resonated with me as you know like late 20s early 30s I like to go out like I want to have a party every weekend I want to go out my boys and go to the bar and that's why it feels so different now because we get to watch year after year you guys change and I want to like attribute a lot of that to you because watching you even over the last three years you've changed and matured so fucking much it's crazy to watch you from like years ago yelling at a dinner table completely blackout and now you're the voice of reason you're the one

that people turn to for logic i know look i'm not going to be an idiot here i'm going to go ahead and say good job page i think she had a lot to do with that but that's but that's what i feel like we want more from austin too and obviously yeah we understand the aspect of what's going to make great tv will be shep kind of losing his mind and maybe not growing up and maybe austin doesn't grow up because he's doing all these little things behind the scenes that make for such great TV, but we watch so much of your content that we want to root for you. Like we want you guys to do better. And I feel like this year is kind of that thing.

Like you've got a crazy balance going on right now when we watch shows the way that Steele and I do where, yeah, Austin's doing some dumb ass shit and he's screwing up relationships here and there. But we can still see this is a slightly different Austin for him to sit down in the confessional and say, you know, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I'm going to therapy and trying to figure it out. And I understand that I might be the problem. so I'm trying to fix these things.

It is a crazy component, but how does it feel for you? Obviously, you've rewatched these shows. You rewatch all the episodes, like you said, you were watching the screener on the plane. How does it feel for you to know, like, yeah, you had some of your lowest moments on TV. And now to see where you are, is it kind of crazy to be like, yeah, I'm the voice of raising in this group. I kind of broke away from the Peter Pan. Or what did we say was the plural of Peter Pan seal, Peter Penn? Peter Penn.

It's just not correct, but that's funny. Well, you know, I actually attribute, yes, Paige, you know, and that's a whole conversation of like, so, you know, some people are like, I won't change for anyone. And it's like, no, but you can get better. Like, you can improve on yourself. You can become a better person. And you have to do it for the right reasons. Like I've had times in my life where I had to stop drinking or slow down my drinking for the wrong reasons. Like, you know, I've dated, you know, we've all dated people in the past. But one was just, I knew. I knew. like if we broke like when we broke up I went back to my old habits like I honestly believe that with page now and like the way I live my life um and like the program that I do like my personal like program you know if we broke up I would still continue this or hopefully continue this and it's sustainable growth and like I don't think that's a bad bad thing at all and I don't think anyone well some people out there would be like oh you're not like you know like basically only the party guys that still miss you know having

someone to hear the birds, you know, in the morning with. But, but other than that, like, it's fun to get better. But Sierra told me, you know, after Winter House, too, she was like, Craig, your message is, we actually talked about it this morning of breakfast. I used to say that Sierra said, Craig, your message is usually right. And she was, and she would say, but it gets lost in your delivery. This morning of breakfast, she was like, Craig, you're always right. which was wild for her to say that. But she was like, but your dumbass would be, you know, they would lose it. You would lose it because you would give, you know, I was doing too much.

And, you know, I've been trying to get healthy and work on myself for a while now. And this is the first show that was filmed after I made some changes in my life. And it's really enjoyable, you know, for a lot of years I couldn't watch. And it's, it's really fun to be able to watch again. I mean, it's cool to see you like, you're actually still having so much fun and you have the perspective of, yeah, my friends are idiots. I know what they're going to do. I know they're going to do dumb shit, but you're still sitting there, like, laughing

in the background, understanding, all right, look, I can give you some advice. I understand who you are as a person, but you're an idiot. And that's like really fun to do. And I want you to know that at least it conveys that way through TV too, because you're sitting there like, yeah, you know what? I feel better. I like watching myself because I know that I'm doing things the right way. Even us, the viewers, we're watching and we're like, Craig has changed and Craig's doing a great job right now because he's still having a great time.

You're not like completely avoiding everything and not going out with your boys anymore because you don't want to get stuck in those situations. You found a way to still have fun and also do the right thing, which is cool to see. Well, you've got to find that balance. And I just like, I don't know, I've been trying to think a lot, especially after BravoCon. I'm like, I think I just have a lot to lose. and that's the fun thing now is like I've built something that like you know we've got a lot of employees now we've got a big company like we have partners like I have a lot to lose and there's a lot of pressure that comes with that but also you know it's exciting and um you just continue to

put one foot in front of the other and I think that's like with Austin he had been doing therapy he was doing so well and then you know he does this like crazy ass thing that I still like can't believe happened but like he was doing he at least is doing you know five steps forward four steps back and like he is moving yeah he's progressing he just does he gets himself and that's why i love that you guys got to see my reaction with everything this year because um you know it's still the absurdity of of this year still makes me laugh but knows that running a small business is a journey, from startup to growing and managing your business. That's why they have a dedicated small business advice hub on their website to

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Listen to Unspooled. ever you get your podcast and don't forget to hit the follow button well yeah i mean it's it's outrageous to watch just because when you look at it like logically then you break it down from that standpoint you see austin doing some of this shit you're like bro like why on earth would you make that decision especially when you are trying to work on yourself but at the same time i think it's an interesting dynamic to watch with you two because you are so close and have been so close and will always be so close. It's, it's that, that middle ground that you've treaded very well this season where he's done a lot of things that you do not stand by, where it's like, this is brocode

for one, two, it's just a moral high ground. This is my moral compass and what I believe in. And I'm watching you make these mistakes. And I will not sit here and support you on that. I'm still your friend. And I'm going to help you try to get through this. But at the same time, when you're with people, you know, you're at that dinner at Whitney's house, and you'll call them out and be like, yeah, well, why did you do that? Like, when you guys were hanging out, you're telling me all you did was kiss like come on it doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you guys are having sleepovers so i appreciate the fact that you're still a good friend to him but at the same time you're not afraid to be like yeah but you need to clean up your shit i think

that's the symbol of like a real friend well and i think it shows his growth because i'm so appreciative that he allowed me to do that because i was nervous that balance was hard to be like i do not agree with your actions but i still like you as a person um and that it was a, like, he easily could have been like, man, fuck you. Like, you don't have my back. But instead, like, he took it on the chin. You know, I didn't go, like, I didn't try to fucking harp on it. Like, you know, like, I wasn't, like, I made it clear that I didn't agree with what he did.

And I don't know. I just, I'm glad that we were going to make it through because we're in a great place. Like, we're on tour right now together. He had a great, like, BravoCon. And, like, it's, you know, it's fun to see. see your buddy do well and like it's but it's it i wasn't always good at being called out on my shit you know i'd be like find a million excuses and stuff but i think he's doing about as best as he could just taking his lashings this year um which kind of were i think was prolonged

because one i don't i think there was a lot of suspicion you know there still is in the season around what the full story was. So that's always going to keep something alive, you know, and that's what I tried to tell him. I'm like, he's like, why are we still talking about this? And I was like, well, with that suspicion of any story that it's going to keep going on. And I think Shep's inability to really, like, face his emotions, which we got to see like last episode, kind of Kelfit alive, too, because then he would have these, you know, outburst, which seemed to random to a lot of people, but were because he, like, really just did not over time. Yeah. And I guess with like the Shep part of it all, and I mean,

you were the one to say, like this incestuous Charleston that we've seen, with this whole thing, like, why is it so important for Shep to maintain this level? Like, I think it's, it's ironic that, you know, he claims to want to be a gentleman and be nice. And he's, I'm nice to, everybody. I get along with everybody. And then he does some pretty shady shit on the side. But why is it so important for Shep to maintain this image of like, oh, I get along with everybody? Is he just like that prone to or wants to avoid drama that he's just going to do whatever he can to just say he's cool with everybody and just boil? Is this like a repeat thing with him or is he ever gotten? Will we see this season, I guess, a moment where Shep is able to actually

dive into what's bugging him, why it's bugging him, and why he should be pissed at Austin. I mean, you said it best. Like, if that was you and Austin had hooked up with Paige, like you would say flat out, I don't know how to be friends with you, man. Like, if Shooter did the same thing, I would say to his face, like, bro, I don't know if I could ever fucking trust you again. So will we get that moment with him or is it just going to be more of the same? Yeah, I mean, we'll just have to, that's our watch and see, answer.

Company, man. Yeah, yeah. I, you know, we've, you know, he, I hope so, because. I think you know it's funny because chep and I have been friends for a decade now and we're so different and I think that's why you know we get to good places because we just accept each other as like we're like brothers that can go home for the holidays and three days is great but the fourth day is too much and like we don't need to be spending four days together and we but we love to see each other for three because we're so different and we've both rubbed off on each other. I hope. in good ways, but I truly believe that he thinks drama, like he can't process, like, a practical reason for drama or people not getting along. And I think that's what his brain just tries to be like, you know, life's too short or life's too good to have any unrest. Maybe it's, you know, I think being vulnerable scares him more than probably the most and really like doing feel, like

I'm just, like, I'll sit around and talk about emotions, you know, a lot easier than, I guess, yeah. So I think it's just, I think it's a scary territory for him. And it's, it's kind of been neat to explore that this year. So, you know, we've got our reunion coming up and we don't know what that's going to look like. But, yeah, hopefully, and then, you know, in the remaining episodes, we'll see him explore those feelings. because he really doesn't he was he surprised me this year I'll say and you know based on the conversation last episode like I think he was scared to acknowledge everything happening

because he didn't want it to be real I think but you know that's again human nature which we've all kind of experienced in different ways I want to talk about your business how's the business going because I mean I think I preface this real quick what because I just need to say because it drove me fucking crazy. I didn't watch like the earlier seasons. I just watched the clip of you sewing and Naomi saying like, oh, like making fun of you for sewing. I mention it almost every season that it premieres.

It makes me so mad. And it kind of ties into what we do here just because if you're a man and you like to sew, who gives a shit? Like that brought me so much. If you were passionate about sewing, sew, sew to your heart's content. Look what you did with it. Look what you built. It's fucking incredible.

And, like, we make that joke all the time to people that talk to us, and they're like, you know, when we started out, especially, like, our friends who are, you know, tough guys are like, oh, really, bro, like a Bravo podcast. Like, I was like, really, dude, you're too tough for fucking TV. Like, what are you talking about? You sound like such an idiot. Like, you're that insecure. So to see you get, like, berated for doing something that you enjoyed, then taking that and turning it into what you've turned it into has been so cool to watch, especially from the standpoint. Every time I see that scene, I'm like, oh, that sucks. that for you. So back to Shooter. Sorry. I need to get that off my chest. Me personally, I think

it's great because what we usually see on Bravo is, you know, people trying to start a music career because they're famous on Bravo or they want to, you know, obviously everybody's going to do a podcast. That's fine. But they want to be models. They want to do all this like outlandish shit that you would never see them be able to do and they're using Bravo as the platform. And we can see it right away. Like, all right, you're not going to be a music star. You're just a housewife. You're just this or that or whatever. You took a completely different route and went to something, one, that you enjoy doing and it's practical it's a practical business that's going to do well you used your platform for good i would say so like how cool is that to be able to get obviously to the point that

you're at right now and you've got stores opening and there's people clamoring outside just to get into your store obviously one the product's great two it's Craig from southern charm i want to see if i can get a glimpse of him in there maybe page is going to be there that's cool like but it's got to be really cool to be able to turn what you're doing on reality tv into a practical business like that that will last you, you know, for the rest of your life, even when you're done with TV. Yeah, I mean, I appreciate all the kind words because, I mean, that's what, that was the goal. And so there's a couple different things.

One, I never understood the strife against it. Like, I actually, it's funny, because when I got the sewing machine, I actually thought it would be received by the people closest to me as like a very attractive thing because it is. in real life being secure enough to do something like you guys are doing and so like being secure enough to do something that other people are too shy to fuck with is actually very attractive um and so i was blindsided um we're attracted to you too Craig no thanks guys in my relationship I was just like wait what like this is this is cool um you know doing things that not everyone else does is cool and then i i've been played some clips from that were during some of those seasons which

i didn't watch a lot of and i'm pretty taken back by how against me a lot of the friends were um and like they said it's a mean shit and i i just never understood why they were so you know obsessed with what i was doing maybe it was to keep you know maybe it was keep the telescope off them or their own personal uh not telescope microscope microscope um but like maybe it was like you know i think some of them like holding a mirror you know up to them being like well what are you doing but man i i've had so much fun just persevering and pushing through and you know the store on King Street is so fun to share with everyone else that supported me that wasn't on the show. And it serves as like, you know, it is a giant middle finger to everyone that hated

against it. So like I don't have to say anything, which is great. And like that was the whole thing. Like you just have to push through those early years. And that's why I'm glad that they were recorded so people can see that like sometimes like I was the only one that thought it was a good idea the only one i mean my parents have always been supportive of me but like you know so they they they don't know where i came from anyway they're a law student or lawyer like reality tv sewing kid um but like at the end of the day i was the only one that thought it was a good idea and so that's what i like to tell people is like look even if you have no support in your life which hopefully you do like doesn't mean it's a bad idea just because no one else has done it doesn't mean it's a bad

idea don't feel bad spending time on your side hustle and man my I used to like I would cripple myself because I had done like five seasons of a show that's on in front of millions of people and I just didn't have I didn't have anything like tangible to show for it I guess um like I didn't have a product I just didn't I didn't feel accomplished on that side of things and I finally saw a meme or a graphic online where it was like, you know, Vera Wang made her first dress at like 45. Like the creator of Red Bull was like 52. The guy that started Uber was like in a 60s,

like this chart where it was like, you are younger than you think. And you have plenty of time. And tomorrow is the next day of the rest of your life. And so I just, it's kind of neat. Like I remember Paige had a hard time turning 30. And I was like, well, you know, I didn't start showing down south

so I was 31. And they kind of like, you know, lit up her face a little bit. So it's been, it's been a fun journey. I mean, things are really, really taking off. And it's like to be able to share that with everyone through, you know, TV and, you know, traveling the country has been great. Yeah, it's been really fun to watch. And like from somebody, you know, I played professional baseball for a long time. I actually left the game due to alcohol pretty much.

Like, I've been sober for five years now and had to start my life over. Thank you. Appreciate it. But I had to start my life over from 28 years old. And at that point, you know, all I'd done my entire life was play ball. And I had to start literally from scratch. I was like, what the fuck am I supposed to do now? And I started pursuing, you know, I was a personal trainer just to make the ends meet.

But I've always liked cooking. So I started cooking a lot. I felt backwards into a private chef. job and now that's what I do for a living I do my private chef personal trainer then same thing with the podcast and it's like I think it's a great message and it resonated with me watching you pursue this thing that is a passion it's a dream that you want to you know come to fruition but I think it's always nice on these shows to have these moments of to make you know you guys seem more personable if you will where you can watch a guy take a passion relatable

Relatable. Thank you. I forget words a lot. There you go. Words suck. But to see that and like watch you grow, watch you look at everybody and pretty much, you know, silently give the middle finger. Like I know you guys are making fun and you. Fuck you watch this. Like that mindset watching it has been one of my favorite things about watching this growth that you've made over the past four or five years or whatever. So I just want to let you know like from somebody that's done something similar, not to that degree by any means, but just pursuing something that we care about. about instead of just being like, oh, I guess I get a nine to five. I guess I'll just do whatever just to make the ends meet.

So it's, it's been really fun to watch and actually watching you take it and turn it into this borderline juggernaut where it's kind of, you guys are continually just getting bigger and bigger. You're in, where are you in now? Your distribution. Yeah, the Kroger deal is that's so, you know, next, next year you'll see me with like pot of hands and, um, she's a vet. We're going to find a one.

Yeah, we're going to take a selfie with one of those. It's like, you know, like they've got 20 different grocery stores. So Kroger is the parent company and then they have a whole bunch. But, dude, it's funny. Stealing Shooter, I guess, lacrosse players at first, because I knew a steel that played lacrosse and then Shooter. There was not a lot of us. Yeah, mine was more basketball.

Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I am, I, it's cool. Well, the one thing, I, anyone listening, so I was really open, well, when I started to open up about Adderall was a great day because I was sitting at the reunion and every question that was asked about me, like, why'd you do this? Why'd you do this? Why'd you do this? Like the answer was Adderall. So I finally just said it. And, you know, it was like it was received very well, but no one knew what to do with it because, you know, Adderall was this thing that we were all prescribed. And like, it was received very well, but no one knew what to do with it because, you know, Adderall was this like thing that we were all prescribed. And like, I don't know, people just didn't talk about it. And so when I talked about it, my book, you know, athletes came up to me and like some famous people and stuff and they're like, due to it affects my relationship with my kids and my parents and my like ear bowl.

And they're like, are you as productive as you've ever worn? I was like, I'm not like, but I was like, but I'm more efficient. I was like, I'm happier, you know, I get more done with my time now. And then the next beast to tackle, which was when I started a date page, i just thought you went from like the fun boyfriend to the husband to the dad like i really like it's funny because i think it's a guy way of thinking but i just thought it progressed like that i didn't think there had to be any personal growth um so i didn't realize that the fun boyfriend doesn't automatically become you know the husband material or or good dad the potential was there

um and so i started to work on my drinking and there's a program called refrain which i haven't talked about yet or like the program but it's for people that don't want to like you can use it to get sober but it's for people that want to cut their drinking um and so i've been using this program refrain and then you know everything changed because as soon as you start to cut then it really i mean i'm a guy that goes i'm a guy of extremes i guess that's my personality i'm sure we are all kind of similar on that but i um started to work out in the morning and then like that really changed my life working out in the morning understanding food eating for a purpose and not because i'm bored and then um it put me in the position to embrace opportunities so instead of you know

people say you got lucky it's not that you're lucky it's that you're you're in the right place in time for an opportunity and um god i have so much like energy now but the thing is it's you know constant battle um but it's been fun and i i just i'm thankful that I can share it with people because, you know, it's, I'm new to all of this too. And then then you realize that everyone's new to it. Everyone's just like living their first life. Like no one's done this before. But it gives me like this, the sewing thing brings me to the table. Like there's not a lot of straight males like in, I mean, there's more than you think, but like publicly out there talking about like sewing and gardening and cooking and like

the stuff like kind of being like a homemaker and you know i was very fortunate growing up in the most basic of ways like i didn't know people didn't have dinner with their parents every night until i like you know got to college and that's like a big one i'm very appreciative for that but i didn't really have a seat at the table for you know this inclusion talk you know because like i had the fundamental you know i guess necessities and so it's It's been fun because doing this, like, you know, not stereotypical straight male thing. It's given me a doorway to, like, speak on inclusivity and stuff like that in schools and, like, bullying and shit. And, like, I don't know, it just opened a lot of doors that have been really fun.

And I think, you know, having a clear state of mind and being able to say yes when things come has been great. Yeah, and I think a big part is, like, just for dudes in general, you know, we talk about it here a lot but that old school mentality of like what a man is you know what I mean where it's like you got to be tough like rub dirt on it don't talk about your feelings all that shit like that's how I was for 28 years of my life then I went to rehab and they broke all that shit down they're like yeah this is why you have a problem I was like oh that makes a lot of sense you mean the dirt's not working yeah no come on my dad told me rub dirt on it I'll be fine and does not be a pussy that's all I need but like learning how to finally talk about shit and

open up about shit and be open to hearing criticisms and changing and allowing yourself to feel honestly like feeling the feeling sad talking about being sad all that kind of stuff and so to see somebody on TV in your position like somebody that's successful somebody that's not afraid to talk about sewing somebody that's not afraid to talk about you feeling somebody that's not afraid in your relationship to be the person that's like hey I want to talk about the future I want to talk about moving forward, which all of those things can sometimes be looked at as like a woman's role, quote unquote, in traditional terms, which I think is bullshit. So to see somebody take that upon themselves to not only live it, but to preach about it and not in like a soapbox kind of way, I think it's important for guys, especially guys our age that are kind of teetering back and forth on what it means to, you know, be masculine. So I really appreciate it.

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wherever you get podcasts. That's how it works. Because obviously a big part of your role, at least on this season, and it kind of spills over onto Summer House and Winter House and all of over the place give us a breakdown of you know kind of where you and page are right now because that's such a point of emphasis you know everybody wants to know Craig and look dude we fucking get it we understand it's baby steps so we watch this and we're like all right you know page is a little more receptive to this this time you know she's she answered the question this way and Craig seems to have changed this and that and whatever we understand that it's going to be a long process you guys live far away from each other but what's it where is where are you guys at currently

and also what's it like to you know obviously have idiots like us analyze your fucking relationship. That's what we have to do. We have to watch TV and be like, all right, Craig and Paige, are they in it for the long haul? What's going on here? Like, can you guys turn that outside noise off and just focus on yourselves? You know, as much as you can, because like if you say, like, there's never a mute button.

And so you try to keep it at a low volume. It's, that's just human nature. It's not like we live in the woods off the grid, which I fantasize about. I don't know if I'd be good at it. but I like to watch those like Alaskan shows or like, you know, go on a range more. No, that's a little too intense for me. Oh, that is pretty fucking fun.

Which is probably why I couldn't do it. I want to be naked and afraid. I want to try that one. Dude, that the bugs would get me. The bugs, I just, the bugs are tough. Yeah. We watch, I'm good friends, Dustin Johnson's one of my close friends and we watch a lot of naked and afraid.

it seems to stay on the TV when we're having like a lazy day. The golfer, Dustin Johnson? Yeah, yeah, him and I watch a lot of making it good. Really? Sometimes because, yeah, my step that works for RBC and Dustin Johnson sponsored by them. So he golfs with them, like, not a lot. I think he's going like two or three times with them. That's funny.

They're just casually like, yeah, my buddy, Dustin, you know, Johnson. Well, it's because if you follow me on Instagram, then I never know if you just say dust or yeah, whatever. So Dustin, oh, but thank God. They're on, that TV shows on all the time. You know, we're in a great place. And I think sustainable growth is what became important because I really, I don't know, I didn't understand like timing, I guess.

And, you know, I really only base stuff off like rom-coms. Like you date for a little while, you get engaged and then you get married. like i just i wasn't able to see it in other than like a very linear thing and so when page told me last year um that there was like that she wanted to get married to me one day but that we had stuff to figure out and then i realized that like in my head you got engaged and then you figured that stuff out right then i saw the importance of being like that's not how it works and you know we'll get to see like i love lindsay and carl but you know we'll get to see like i love lindsay and carl But, you know, I asked them this summer, and there's a lot of TV to watch.

But I was like, did you kind of think, well, I shouldn't go into that. But other because then, but I just was under the impression that, like, you got engaged and then you figured your shit out. And, like, I kind of just got perspective. Well, I also didn't want to, like, lose page. I was like, well, aren't you supposed to, like, propose after a while so they think you're serious? And I just had a lot of ideas of what I was supposed to do because, again, I didn't know any better. And so fortunately, we're very good at talking and like, we're different, but like we communicate really well. And, you know, people forget we've only been dating a little over two years.

When you watch something on TV, it seems a lot longer. And I think we got in this habit of seeing people date and seeing people get engaged on TV and then seeing what would happen. But we were both because you're on like 17 fucking shows at this point. We see you all year round. We're like, this has been a seven year relationship. That's probably very true. And like the timing gets all out of it. And so we have had some pretty good steps.

And the most recent one is just like being okay with our. set up um regardless if it makes sense to anyone else like our long distance thing we love and we're really starting to embrace and being like look it works for us like you know instead of trying to fit ourselves into this box which you know was i guess i'm a traditional list in a lot of senses um when it comes to like romantic stuff um instead i'm just like but i'm happy you know and i'm like i tried the other ways before. And, you know, if me and her are both happy with our setup, then let's just see what happens. But also, she's a girl. So, and no offense to girls, but like, we're in Vegas and she's like, let's just get married. Our parents are here. You know, then the next day,

she's like, I don't know if I want to get engaged yet. Like, I never know where she's going to be. But fortunately, the end goal is the same. You know, we want to have a family one day together. we just we really don't know what that's going to look like or what the next few years are we saw you know years ago on summer house you guys started dating we're like all right we'll see what happens and now it's you're one of if not the best couple on bravo that we actually just genuinely enjoy watching together because you guys have so much fun and actually like each other like watching you call her yeah like watching you call her in bed after the shit show that was Shep's Mountain House was hilarious because you know Pages like I wish I was there to

witness all of this and when she is there you can see it on her face like oh yeah I'm so happy I'm here I get to watch this just blow up and I get to be involved but it's not part of me right oh she loves that role she loves just beginning to be like you know arm's length of everything like a fly on the wall during that you can tell when you have that dinner at Shep's Fred the pheasant dinner and she's like the third party and she just gets to like see it's almost like she's a producer on the show where she's in the background like oh what's going to happen and like the smile on her face when shit starts to go south i was like she's really enjoying this he's got a yeah birds out like a front row seat to it all she had a great um conversation with

olivia that we didn't get to see on the phone at the mountain house too um but you know to their credit which is funny because i um you know my butt heads with with like producers a lot but They're our buddies, but everyone has a job to do. But sometimes when they're like, you know, some of those conversations that me and Paige had, like we really, so the conversations that you guys see, we would not have had on our own, like, but we should have. So what I mean is like it's real,

but like we were actually at least kind of pressured into finally having to finally have. having these conversations by our, like, you know, our friends on the show because like a lot of times they're like, have you talked about this? And I'm like, no, you're right. Like we haven't. I was like, I don't want to talk about this. Maybe we should. Therapy of producers. So, you know, sometimes it is like nothing's changed. But I think, you know, it's funny that you said every, you know, you see a little bit of movement. And I think that's what was important to me. I'm like, I don't care, you know, what the timing on this is as long as

there's, you know, potential to move forward, you know, but that's like in anything in life. You don't want to be spinning in circles. So it's, it's, it's, you just kind of have to embrace it and, and really find the positivity in it because, you know, we do have so many long distance couples that message us or regular couples or whoever, but I mean, I think a lot of people have fun with it. But the problem is, there's a lot of anger out there in the world, too. And that's the, you try to turn up the positivity and turn down the negativity. And I think the more in-person interactions we have with people, that's the goal.

Like, I love going to the store. I love traveling around. You know, you got to stay off the internet. Reading, like, comments on the internet is, like, cutting. They were like, you know, yeah, they were like, you know, because you see. you skim right by all the positive stuff so you're gonna you can read you know 20 nice comments or threads but you're gonna stop on the one that like hurts you and that's mean and you're going to read it knowing that it's going to hurt your feelings and they like they compared it to

cutting i remember that so i tell a lot of the girls that story um sometimes to try to help them because i don't know it's interesting i'm always the one to get stuck on those bad boys Shooter doesn't care. I don't give a shit. Now, we actually turned it. We turned it into a skit on our show. Like, part of a segment for our show is here's the meatest comment of the week. That's good.

But then we'll go back at them and make fun of them. So, I mean, we do. Rose and Thorne, we call it. I was scared to do that because I didn't want to encourage me comments. Oh, dude. I think it's like giving us like one-star reviews so that we would read their comment on it. And we're like, all right, all right, not at the, like, not at the sustainability of the show. Yeah.

The podcast reviews are so frustrating because people get confused, and they'll, like, leave one star and be like, this is my favorite podcast and be like, yeah, we've got that. Or like, I really hated, you know, that you had Whitney on because he sucks, one star. And you're like, but you're hurting us. Go yell at Whitney. They're like, I love the podcast, but disagreed with your assessment of Beverly Hills, one star. I'm like, dude, that's, that's me. Please go read, subscribe to our podcast. Well, it's never anything other than like one or five.

There's other stuff to there. But moving on from that, we got two more things I want to do if you got time, and then we can wrap this up. But up first, I want to do some questions. We asked our listeners if they had questions for Craig, and we got a lot of them. So let me jump into this. Let's see. From Max June, who would settle down first, Austin, Shep, or Whitney?

Austin wants to. I think Shep had, Shep and Taylor was the closest that, you know, the closest that I can see Shep getting to settling down. Like, I think he's, I think he had come around to it and wanted to, and I think we have a lot to explore with that. But Austin truly wants to, like and I say this in a nice way I've said it before but like he wants like what me and pay job like he would love to be able to have like he wants to be in a couple he just hasn't figured it out yet and then Whitney is just Whitney is our James Bond friend I think he'll just be the international man of mystery we never know where he is we never know who he's with to his mother's chagrin but yeah I think I think Austin then Whitney and then probably Shep

in our current state. I like that ranking. I got one from Vinny Sori, and it says, if he could cast Paige on any Real Housewives franchise, which one would it be? I think she would love to do New York. I think she fits in New York. Yeah, we've said that before.

We want her on New York. I think that would be a good transition for her. And yes, she does. I mean, she's a fashionista that lives in New York City. Yeah, it makes sense. You got one shoots. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people. People think that you're the number one guy on the show now,

which is such a funny, like, Bravo trend. I guess we're talking about number one guys in the show. So shout out everybody that thinks that Craig's the number one guy on the show. That's great. Love that. Oh, the great competition between me and Austin and Shep. They all have our parks. I'll get to that one later.

Yeah, no, did you see, you saw the same one that I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gets us right in the Tim Foil hat moment. Yes, sir. uh yeah steel if you have one just go with it all right um what plans do you have to expand sewing down south that's from christie jedlickey so it's um it's been really fun and you know it's my partner amanda jerry and i and it's pretty great that it's just us but now we're we're hitting these like growing pains we've got about 20 employees and we're we need we need about two more

positions filled. And I used to think, you know, I went from seeing my products sold in everyone's stores across the country or people's stores. Then I went to having our own stores because we want to open our next store will be in 12 south in Nashville. We don't have a date on that because now our growth plan has changed a little bit into this collaboration we have with Kroger. And I think there's a lot to be excited about with that we haven't done like official leases but like right now you can find our holiday pillows in crow grown stores across the country like thousands of stores and then we're just going to you know hopefully become like a household name through their stores and so you can always you know go to our website like we just you know sewing on stuff

dot com page and i's you know second collection was awesome our holiday collections out right now um i really am working on our non-profit sector that's always been my goal to make money my whole life is for the philanthropic side and so i deal with a lot with like hope for the warriors and stuff like that um for post-9-11 veterans um but it the the thing is is like there's a lot of different directions and keeping us honed in and tight is like I was is is the challenge but we're doing well with it but I was like you know we started to have like HR issues and I was like oh my God our company's so big that we need HR now like like I get like don't like don't say that and I was like but it's like it's a huge step I was like I was like we've gotten to that size now yeah you

got to appreciate the little things there yeah but yeah so that's the answer to that well the next question leads us into our next segment here and uh i brought tin foil i'm going to put it on if you didn't don't worry about it but uh from rachel you're going to put it on your hat i'll put mine on in a sec from rachel ray what's your strangest conspiracy theory then we're going to do a tin foil hat with the boys wear because i love conspiracy theories i don't believe a lot of them but i love diving into them because they're so intriguing to me and like i'll end up on like a reddit rabbit hole where it's like there's videos and shit So what's your strangest?

TikTok, yeah, Mr. Sorbo, could I have some aluminum full? I need to start writing him down. There's two things that I want to do. I want to, I need to come up with a Bravo conspiracy. Oh, yeah. I really need to come up. Okay. I need to come up with a Bravo conspiracy.

You know, I think it's, you know, I'm on the TikTok one. And then I'll see them and I'll say, like, TikTok really is. a death trap for your mind because you're convinced in the moment that and page got me on it like i was never on it before and you're convinced that that you're learning stuff and that you're doing brain exercises but you're not because you don't retain any of the information no so i the strangest one recently is i can't figure out why everyone that talks about giants dies like everyone that talks about giants in like i think it's the appalachian mountains and there's these videos of these big mountain doors like closing and like i don't have you guys seen this one where like

they keep killing themselves appalachia like lore is one of my favorite topics like how like missing all the missing people in the united states and then all the cave entrances yeah the appalachian mountains are so big on that that's one of my favorite ones but there's this one where i forget his name but people i mean it's very easy to find but he basically pulled over on the the road and he saw this like thing walking up the mountain but it was like he was very far away so it had to be the size of like a telephone pole and he started a post about it and it became this like you know that he saw a giant and then the next time he tried to go like up there like a government car stopped him and then there was a facility like appeared up there but his tictox kept

getting stranger and stranger like he was being controlled by so on and then he like killed himself and it's like a very dark thing but i've always like like when people ask me this question i i do want to say like sometimes like well can someone explain to me like what is going on with this side of things so now they have all these people running out into the woods trying to find giants and they like keep disappearing i don't know it's really weird it's not a great answer i obviously would get canceled. I would get canceled if I told you my real ones. It's crazy because I think mine, mine, mine do teeter into the ones that end up being true about the government, which most of them like are. Yeah, for sure. Like when you see stuff happening, you're like, come on, guys. Like you can't be that oblivious to

everyone's just being you know so a lot of them lead that way but the funny ones are like you know that birds aren't real no one's ever seen a baby pigeon i read one this morning um oh like tornadoes only happen in america like why do tornadoes oh the government is controlling weather i love that one that's a good one that's what's really an area 51 i'm pretty sure that i think those happen in other countries no well i think so i like I've been looking at it today, being like, do tornadoes exist in other countries? Googling. You would think like Australia, maybe, or somewhere in the Middle East, but no, they don't really, it's pretty much just America.

Right. Based on what? We don't know. We don't know. What do you mean? Yeah. Look it up. Look it up.

Read a book. My favorite one always has to do with aliens. And especially now that they're pushing all these, I guess that's my question, with all of the whistleblowers at Congress. is talking about aliens now. Do you think that they're using that to distract from something else? Or do you think that aliens are real? And then did you see the paper mache Mexican aliens that they showed? Yeah, that was amazing.

I got pretty excited about that. I don't let myself usually get excited, but I was like, I was like, how did it make its way to this level of government that it's being presented? Like maybe there's something here. You know, the scary thing is, is what the fuck are they covering up? But now they're like, you know what, guys, you're right. We have aliens. Nobody cares.

Yeah, no, they don't. No one cares. I heard that because I read it. Those are the ones that I'll dive into is the alien ones. And I read one that there was a crash in Italy, a UFO crash in like the early 1900s. And the Vatican actually scooped up the wreckage and kept it in like the catacombs of Vatican City. And the United States in the 40s paid for. the remains of that and that's why our jet propulsion systems and our military planes are better

than everyone else in the world because we're using reverse engineering alien technology that we purchased from the vatican that's one of my favorites i mean look yeah if you look at the advances in technology over the years we went from like basic like tools of physics like the ramp and the wheel and they're like in a pivot like seesaw over thousands of years years. That's all we had. And then in the realm of like a hundred years or 150 years, we went from like, you know, automobile engines to like cell phones. Like how the fuck does cell phones actually work? They're like going to space. And you're telling like so I think one that it could be worth looking into is like someone came down like the advances in technology in the last hundred years are on like there's no way to compare them to any other time in. history the last 20 years the technological advancements surpassed the technological advancements of our entire human history up to the right and like the pyramids like we couldn't build the pyramids today that's what people don't realize like we actually could not build that like we don't have the tools

to do it and like how the fuck did they like i mean i would i don't know about aliens now but like i almost think it's easier to believe that they came down and there was way more advanced technology back then than we have discovered because like some of the hieroglyphics has like have like breathing apparatuses in the pictures and like flying vessels and i think one of the pyramids had electricity going from the river that ran next to it into the king's chamber really that's what they were using to power everything they were doing yeah and like it's like laser cut like the stone is so So, yeah, I really should do, like, a conspiracies with Craig. Maybe you guys can, like, start it.

Craig steal and shoot or conspiracies with us. But people get so fired up about them. It's correct. Is that? As soon as you like, we'll do once a month. We'll do conspiracies with Craig. All right. You got to come on our podcast, too.

Because, but then you, like, we'll put, like, I, I'm very amazed at how scared people are of information now. Like, I've got, like, a couple, like, groomsmen level friends that, like if you say something that provokes like some sort of thought beyond like you know being pet yeah by being pet by everyone like it makes them really uncomfortable and I'm like dude I'm not like I'm just saying can you answer this one cause and effect question and they're like okay cool like go have fun with Russia Craig and I'm like I'm just asking like a simple you know like a simple question um i love that you're so close to marriage that you're thinking of your friends as

groomsman level that's a great barometer barometer because i call everyone like my best friend and like i didn't realize it and so it started to get picked up on and they're like and awesome's like oh yeah crag and is like 100 best friend it's like and like because i'm like oh like my best friend this guy this guy. So I had to start being like, all right, groomsman level. Yeah, you've got different team. The best man is reserved for one. That's your best friend. That's the one that has the problem with my thought process. No, I mean, my brother will be the best man. That's why we love that. Yeah. Well, he made, I'm my brother's best man in his wedding next year. And it's kind of like a southern thing too, which I didn't realize. I have. Yeah. Like, it's,

it's going to be tough but then pages like i you're not going to have groomsmen i was like yes i am i was like i have like 12 groomsmen and she's like they're not staying i was like they don't need to stand up there with us but they're going to be like they're hanging out with me during all of this stuff as my groomsman then you can sit them wherever you want but i guess it's like sure like it's not like it's trending towards not having big wedding parties but i was like well i do like i had my buddies hang out with me beforehand and like told them that yeah you would be but i only have to you stand up with me and then like my brother got involved a little bit right i think that like my wife didn't really want to do wedding parties either she's like it's just not that's not the

it's not the thing anymore granted my wife is so shy that there's like a back staircase to the altar she's like can i just take that one and the guy running the wedding was like i've been doing this for 20 years and no one has ever asked that like this is about you it's the big entrance she's like yeah nah like I just want to like slide in right there I do appreciate the tin foil like it makes me feel at home I am just a little I uh some people started to show up at our shows with it and then someone came like a whole group of people came to my store with like timboil hats and I was like I don't know if I want to go down yeah you don't have associated with that I was like yes I was like so we have like I posted it or I think rod did uh from our show because he texted our like

it's funny because some shows have like group chats ours has never worked like we have very like i'm in three different southern charm cast group chats because i get along with a lot of people but not everyone with us friends yes exactly um but like like shep made a new group chat the other day and i was just laughing to see like who was in it um but rod was like there's a group of women like eight of them walking down king street with tinfoil hats on right now and i have a feeling they're going to your store and I was like oh no that's incredible you're going to yeah you started something you didn't mean to start you're trying to be funny on TV and now you're going to have a whole cult following tinfoil has but like that's what gets ship he's like everyone thinks craig's joking but he's not and I was like but no one knows and I'm not saying you're joking we don't know well look we'd be we'd be remiss if we didn't ask you about the biggest one do you think pandas are actually real because I know what you're talking about you're talking about that Chinese zoo panda that had that definitely looked like a guy in a suit like the sun panda yeah um yeah

that was like i mean that was a dude what that was a guy in that one but they're not all guys but now so now like so a lot of people don't realize the diplomatic like ramifications that the pandas do have like when china recalled all the pandas it was kind of a big deal um we've worked something out now that they're sending uh they're going to be leasing because china owns all the pandas in the world and there's like pandas don't really show up in history till like 300 years ago but now that they're sending them back to like the u.s um i was like oh they replaced the men that are inside and they're coming back to spy on us um dude the one that i just got my dad with on thanksgiving though is and a lot like I like historical um contradictions and the one because I took geology in college

like that was my science and they're like this rocks a million years old and this one's 50,000 years old and I was like you're full of shit no one knows she's like and this one's 50 million years old and I was like this is so stupid but I'm not I love science like I was actually I was a nerd like I love school and stuff, but the one crazy contradiction, because we were just in Cincinnati for a meeting with Kroger and Kentucky airport, which my dad was like, did you land in Kentucky and drive to Cincinnati? I was like, no, we flew to Cincinnati. You're stupid. And we definitely landed in Kentucky. They share the airport. Like you fly to Kentucky to go to, it's just like the Cincinnati airports in Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah, it's like right. We talked about this on Monday because, uh, We were watching the Chief's Eagles game Monday night and we were discussing with

Steele's wife about where Kansas City actually is. Why is Kansas City in Missouri and not in Canada? It's stupid, but it's right on the border. It's the same thing. So they have dinosaurs in the airport, which is sick. Like I loved it. They had like smaller ones, but like, say we're two tigers and like woolly mammoths and like I guess prehistoric animals.

And like my parents and I just did a natural museum of history in New York, which was sick. And like they've got, they just found. a new dinosaur and all this stuff and so i told my dad because like we're medium like i wouldn't say we're like we're like i grew up catholic but like i went to sunday school and like my parents will go through phases where they go to church on sundays and now they found like a non-denominational place where you know it feels good at like you know we're more like personal relationships like i'm saying like we're not overly religious but we also have like religion in our foundation yeah know, to an extent. But I was like, Dad, you know, like, I was like, well, how do you explain

that the Bible says that the world's only like 7,000 years old? And he's like, it doesn't say that. I was like, but it does. So, like, how do you explain dinosaurs if the Bible says, and he's like, that just doesn't make sense, Craig? And I was like, that's what I'm asking you. Like, right at the dinosaurs. Didn't we not find dinosaurs until like 100 years ago or something? Yeah, like George Washington didn't know they existed. So. I asked my Sunday school teacher this, and this is when I got to stop going to Sunday school, but my dad just didn't remember this. I mean, he's getting a little older. And I was like, dad, like, I asked this guy and he was like, dinosaur bones were placed on the earth by the devil

to trick like non-believers or believers that, like, because I heard this one too. Yeah. And so now, because my dad was like, you have to find an answer for me online. So they say that, the days in God's eyes are thousands of years in human years. Like God years. Yeah. So like the seven days of creation were actually over like tens of thousands of years. And I was like, well, there you go. That's what you can do.

That's a good enough answer. Yeah. It does the trick. A lot of people don't know, like I don't bring that up as a religious thing. It's just a historical contradiction that a lot of people don't think about. that's great well the last thing that

we want to at some point and if you guys would be up for it if we could have a scramble between pillows and beer and the braf bros on the golf course in Charleston at some point if you guys would be down to do that

we'd love to do that I just played with Marty Mush from Barstall was so much fun but yeah we'll do it Well, where do you guys live? We're in Philly. Okay, I knew you're a Philly fans.

I didn't know if you're still in Philly. Well, that's an easy trip. We flew, Paige and I, I flew to Philly, and she took the train to Philly, and we drove down to Delaware. But, yeah, it's an easy trip to Charleston. There's an American flight that goes right there, and we would love that. I live on a golf course, so we'll just play there. Perfect.

That's set up, but other than that, man, we really appreciate you taking the time to chat with us we've been fans of yours for a while so this has been awesome thanks it was fun and uh that'll be cool you guys come down maybe come during a filming season or something like in the spring um yeah that'd be great i haven't done a podcast in a while so it was fun i mean like like this it was good like someone else's i didn't mind yeah no it's a blast but um all right well thank you again for coming out and uh we'll we'll be in touch about maybe a monthly segment conspiracies with craig Yeah, well, you guys got to come on pillows and beer, too, because we'd love to hear about how you guys started and more of your story. Oh, yeah, for sure.

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